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Jan. 24, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Attorney Jonathan Emord and ANH founder Dr. Robert Verkerk lay out powerful strategy...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
This is a huge day, a huge time for America because RFK Jr. is about to face a nomination hearing in the Senate.
It's coming up on Wednesday and two very special guests joining us today are strong advocates of health freedom.
One of them is Jonathan E. Moore, the famous attorney, as well as Dr. Verkirk of the Alliance for Natural Health.
Which has been fighting for free speech and freedom of access to nutritional supplements and natural health products for decades.
So welcome, gentlemen, to the show today.
It's an honor to have both of you on.
Great to be here.
Fantastic to be with you.
It's great to have both of you.
And Dr. Verker, I'm not getting a video from you, but I'm hearing your voice.
So we'll see if the video kind of self-heals here in a second.
If not...
Just disconnect and reconnect, and we'll bring you back in.
Let's start with Jonathan Emord.
You are general counsel for the Alliance for Natural Health, and you have fought just courageously against the overreach, the authoritarianism of the regulatory complex, an extension of the medical-industrial complex.
What does it mean, in your mind, for RFK Jr. to be confirmed?
Well, this is the greatest opportunity we've had in American history, actually, to have someone in that position who is our representative, who believes that individuals need to be sovereign in choosing what's in their own best interest, rather than having the bureaucratic state dictate what they are to do, dictate to them that they must be vaccinated, dictate to them.
The kind of options in health care they have to have and also dictate to them whether or not they can receive information that's truthful about the foods and the nutrients they consume.
So he wants to stand on our side for the first time.
You know, all these years from 1938 to the present, industry has called the shots in a largely protectionist regime.
At FDA, at CDC, at HHS, all the secretaries have largely been tied to industry, dependent upon industry for their future employment.
Not this man.
This man's independent.
He's like Trump in that regard.
He's independent.
And in addition, his agenda for the country is reflective of our needs right now.
So he would end the mask mandates.
He would end...
The vaccine mandates.
Not to say that he believes that you can't have a choice if you want to be vaccinated.
He'd let you be vaccinated, but he wants to end the mandates.
He wants to end compulsion.
He wants to open up the market to information.
He wants to end censorship.
He wants to end censorship of health information.
He wants you to have a full...
Panoply of options in healthcare.
He wants you to not have a pill-pushing, one-size-fits-all approach to medicine.
He wants you to be able to choose the practitioner and the healthcare you want.
He wants the government of the United States to be your servant, not your master.
And he has a long history of explaining these things through many ways in many books, and he's sincere.
The other thing is, he's not beholden to anybody.
No drug company is going to be able to use power to compel him to behave in one way or another or a future promise of employment to do it.
He's independent.
He doesn't have to rely on anything outside of himself for his own survival and future.
And he's strong.
These characteristics that you've just mentioned, which are really extraordinary.
I mean, this is truly an historic moment for this republic.
But this also explains why there is so much opposition among certain industry groups.
And this question to Dr. Verkirk here is that you have big ag, big food, big pharma, big business really working to try to thwart the confirmation of RFK Jr. because these very reforms that Jonathan Emore just mentioned would enhance the health and wellness, longevity, and productivity of the American people.
In some cases, at the expense of the disease, sick care, racket profiteering system.
So, doesn't it make sense why they are opposing him?
Look, absolutely.
The goal of Big Food, Big Pharma, Big Tech has never really been about helping the health of people.
So, to have someone like Bobby Kennedy coming into a very senior position...
Obviously, he doesn't have any jurisdiction over the USDA deal with agriculture, but he has a remit around making America healthy again.
So as soon as you see, and he also has some very strong support, it would appear from Donald Trump.
So we have a situation where we need to start joining the dots and seeing what it is that makes people healthy and make people sick.
And I think it's becoming apparent to all.
That if you have an agenda that, as RFK has, to make America healthy again, one that's supported by Donald Trump, you've got to deal with all the facets that are contributing to ill health.
And the reality is that people are getting sicker and weaker because of the foods they eat, the air they breathe, the pollutants they expose themselves to.
The additives and chemicals and pesticides in their foods, the degradation of agricultural soils because of intensive agricultural systems, the rise of modern biotechnology that is creating synthetic biology that's being drip-fed into our foods without even consumers knowing about it.
So when Bobby Kennedy says, I want to create transparency in government, he means it.
And so one of the reasons that Donald Trump, in his second day in office, is freezing a whole lot of data that is held by different health agencies is he wants to take a careful look at all of that.
He understands that there has been a stitch-up that has been going on for decades now that has transferred power and control into the hands of major corporations.
He wants to give it back to the people.
Absolutely.
And I think what Donald Trump understands, this is my opinion, is that in order to make America great again, as the acronym goes, MAGA, you not only need to unleash energy, domestic energy production, to power economies and power food and farming and so on and transportation.
But you need to unleash the health of the American people because you can't function well when you're sick, when you're diseased, when you're exposed to toxins.
Now, this mandate, I believe that the election of Donald Trump is a mandate for America, and you two gentlemen have a new book called The Maha Mandate.
And please show my screen.
Oh, I'm sorry, Jonathan, you were holding it up there, but here's the website.
What's the website where people can get the book as a download again?
On the download, you can get it from mahamandatebook.com.
But for people who come to the Hill next Wednesday, they will get a complimentary copy.
We're going to have it out on Amazon and other channels in due course.
We literally have just picked these up from the printer.
But it's going to be critical to get this book out because it lays out in a very easy read of 120 pages.
Essentially, what the Maha mandate is all about.
And it really explains that the, first of all, Bobby Kennedy himself is a unique person.
Think about any other person who has the background to be able to handle the, you know, reversal of the corruption, the reversal of the revolving doors that have been built up between these very large corporations and regulatory agencies.
Exposure of the data.
We've seen huge problems in terms of concealing data supposedly to protect intellectual property.
And then we've seen massive censorship and marginalization of any dissenting voices.
These are things that only happen in autocratic or totalitarian systems.
This has been part of a global drift.
It's not just the US. It's countries around the world.
And the U.S. now is the first major industrialized country to say we've had enough and we want to go back to transparency and we want to do things for the sake of the people and we want to get people healthy and build a strong economy.
Well, Dr. Verkirk, your organization, the Alliance for Natural Health, has done extraordinary research and advocacy to achieve these positive results for the American people.
And I just want to thank you for what you've done and also mention here that working with your staff, we have successfully acquired the many thousands of articles from A&H USA and A&H International.
They have already been processed and normalized and they are in the AI training data pipeline for our new AI model, ENOC, which is releasing March 1st.
Exciting.
Jonathan, I hope you don't mind, but I also took your books, and I converted them to text, and they're also part of the training of the model.
I didn't ask for permission.
I just did it.
Jonathan's town hall articles.
There's a huge repository there as well.
See, now you're going to make me hungry for more data to feed into the system.
Now I'm going to have to go get all that.
Here's what's critical about this, Jonathan.
What Dr. Verkirk was just talking about, the authoritarianism.
Now, you and I have had conversations over the last year.
You and I saw, and I just want our viewers to understand the extreme weaponization of the federal government under Biden, the FDA, and other agencies.
I would say, this is my opinion, that they functioned as terrorist organizations against American small businesses and providers of wellness solutions.
How would you describe what you witnessed?
We experienced the greatest rise in both socialism and centralized government planning, a form of socialism, than we've ever seen.
And it bled over into areas of traditional totalitarian control, which was control over speech.
They misled us.
They intentionally lied to us.
Fauci, for example, fully cognizant that masks were not effective against the transmission of the disease or receipt of the disease because it was a nanoparticle, lied to us over and over again that we had to be masked.
At the start, you may remember, Fauci said that no one needed masks.
But he went on to this whole thing, you should be masked.
No, you should have two masks.
No, you should have three.
Utter nonsense.
Telling us that the Wuhan lab was not a source, was ruled out entirely, that it was a natural source, when that was the opposite, that they clearly knew it was from Wuhan.
In fact, they were colluding with Wuhan to develop the virus.
And so through gain-of-function, then lying to Congress about gain-of-function.
And this whole corrupt cabal you see at the end with Biden's grant of all of these pardons to Fauci and to his family members.
All revealed to us, I think, the stark reality that they had so much corruption in government, so much effort underway to control us, to deny us access to information, that they were pushing for a centralized government control unlike anything that we've ever seen.
And they were very nearly going to achieve it when Donald Trump won.
They really did not think Donald Trump would win.
They thought that they had the control over the whole apparatus.
And then the American people rose up against it and struck it down and repudiated it with vigor.
And that is a sign of the health of the American republic.
Very nearly lost in this last election.
It was saved by the American people.
And so we enter this 250th year of the celebration of the 1776, 2026, is the celebration of our revolutionary year of the achievement.
First time in the history of the world, a government predicated on those four essential truths of the Declaration, all of them.
All men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, among them the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The governments are instituted among men for the very purpose of protecting the rights of the governed and that just governments derive their powers justly.
It's really extraordinary.
It's almost divine that Donald Trump is here reviving the American Republic at the time of the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
That is extraordinary.
I really feel like the hand of God has been guiding us to this pivotal moment in history, and we have this golden opportunity.
to achieve extraordinary reforms and change that will have a lasting impact for generations to come.
And along those lines, Dr. Verkirk, can you please describe the advocacy positions of the Alliance for Natural Health that you would like the organization to pursue during the Trump administration that can help restore freedom of access to nutritional or natural health solutions and also Yeah,
look, fundamentally, information, one of the things we've all learned over the years, and the science is very clear on this, most of the reasons that people either become healthy or become sick are related to their behaviors.
There was a big study in 2016 that showed We need more regulation.
We need to make more drugs and make them safer and regulate further.
Actually, clinical care contributes only to 16% of total outcomes.
The vast majority of it is related to human behavior.
And if we want to change that behavior, the first step is to change the information that occurs at the point of sale.
And of course, what we see is a huge amount of censorship.
Essentially, they are, imagine this, we've determined in recent months that there are almost 400. Medicinal claims, claims made around nutrient disease relationships that government agencies themselves have seen fit to make.
Yet they disallow those very claims that they can make, coupled with science to support that, if you decide to sell a product.
Now, that is a very blatant form of censorship.
So we're going to go straight after that.
One of the first things we're going to do with the new administration, we're working very hard on it, and we want to bust open the health claims environment to allow those claims.
And of course, we're facilitated by the fact that, and Jonathan can talk to this further, that halfway through last year, the Chevron doctrine that has basically provided Deference to the agencies in instances of ambiguity.
So when you have a statute that's somewhat ambiguous, basically the agency can determine what the decision should be.
And that has effectively allowed them to massively overreach.
If we look at the problem of FDA or even FTC or EPA overreach.
A lot of it has happened under Chevron doctrine.
Now, that has collapsed.
That was overturned by the Supreme Court halfway through last year.
So when you look at that opportunity coupled with what we can see as a very friendly administration, first time in history since Big Food, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Tech have been in existence.
We can massively open the door and written into the FDA Modernization Act and Jonathan was actually, you know, contributed to the language that basically said if a government makes an authoritative statement around a disease nutrient claim,
that claim should be able to bypass the regime that requires significant scientific agreement, which is a long way of saying We're going to have a bunch of people trying to look for conclusive science, which in most cases does not exist.
And we've seen exactly this mechanism being used in Europe.
It's been around since 2006 when they developed the nutrition and health claims regulation that in itself is based around a global codex guideline on health claims.
That is also the very reason that the qualified health claims regime ended up the way it is.
So we want to bring that open.
I'm going to be petitioning the FDA, and hopefully we won't even have to sue them, and they'll say, yep, go for it.
Let's allow these nearly 400 claims to be used in the marketplace.
Well, that would be...
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I love what you just said, and that would be a great start with those 400 health claims, right?
A great start.
But what we have all witnessed over these past few years is that when the pharmaceutical industry wants to make a claim, such as claiming that these COVID vaccines prevent transmission and block infections, even if those claims are the flimsiest imaginable and are patently false, they are allowed to make those claims without any repercussions.
But when a nutrient is backed by extraordinary depth of evidence...
Such as the links between, let's say, vitamin D and cancer prevention.
Well, we always hear from the regulators and the authorities, well, more study is needed.
More research is needed.
But for them, it's never conclusive.
So to Jonathan here, how would you recommend that this be navigated in terms of reforming the FDA so that truthful claims can be allowed?
And they can't keep making the excuse, well, we need more evidence forever.
So in my ideal world, the Constitution actually matters.
And if I had my druthers, there would be no prior approval process at all for nutrient disease relationship claims, as there is no prior approval process allowed under the Constitution for any speech.
The Founding Fathers intended the First Amendment to be a denial of government power over speech and press.
And meant for there to be no prior restraint exercised by this government.
And yet here we are, some of the most vital information in the world is nutrient disease information, largely will determine your longevity.
And the government of the United States presumes and has since 1938 that it can stand in the way of the communication of that and only allow information it deems appropriate to reach you.
And this results in a mass suppression of almost all of the nutrient disease information.
That is indispensable to the exercise of informed choice.
So get rid of that prior restraint entirely and operate under the First Amendment.
And the market would be awash with information about the effects of nutrients on disease, both in the food marketplace and the supplement marketplace and online.
And people would be able to make informed decisions about which products to purchase based on their own specific needs and desires as to the health of their families.
And this would lead to greater longevity.
And people always scream up and down, oh, that means more fraud.
If we don't have the FDA, there's going to be fraud.
Well, I've got news for you.
The FDA virtually doesn't enforce the law against fraud.
All it does is politically select parties to go beat up based on an agenda set by the political appointees at that agency.
If we had a Justice Department that worked and Trump wants to restore law and order, we'd have prosecution for fraud.
But you know what?
The rule of law...
It's only meaningful in a sense that the Founding Fathers intended it if it goes after instances when individuals are harmed.
What we now have is a broad prior restraint that makes people want to tell the truth, bound down by the same restrictions that would apply if you convicted someone of an offense of lying.
And so we need to focus on the liars, not the truth-tellers.
We don't need a prior restraint.
We need specific enforcement action against bad actors.
Right now, you get a prior restraint.
The only people following it are the ones who are law-abiding.
They're the only ones that care about the law.
The ones who want to break the law and are willing to do it and take the risks, they're already doing it.
And the FDA has no effect upon them.
And I would add that most of the fraud in the supplements industry is counterfeit ingredients or tainted ingredients.
Bad faith, dishonest labeling, you know, saying it has an ingredient when it doesn't, for example.
A lot of, especially in herbs, right?
They'll say it's this herb, but it's not.
It's something else.
But let me add one more thing and then get your response, Jonathan, then we'll go back to Dr. Verkirk.
But, you know, we're about to release this Enoch AI model, and this is true with our model, which is heavily trained on nutrition.
And wellness and alternative medicine, but it's also true with other models, including models out of China.
They are uncensored about nutrition and health.
And because these are open-source models that anybody can download and run locally, this means that right now the American people can bypass Google censorship, FDA censorship.
They can ask questions about cancer and nutrients, or they can ask questions about blood sugar or high blood pressure or whatever.
To an open AI, I'm sorry, not open, an open source model, excuse me, open AI is not open source, but open source models such as ones from China, which is extraordinary to me to be able to say that, like, China's models are more open than America's models right now, but France has some really great open source models.
But, Jonathan, the age of centralized censorship control over knowledge is coming to an end anyway.
Yeah, you bet.
Beginning with the digital revolution, government has increasingly been unable to maintain a totalitarian regime that is absolute.
And so we have all this digital information.
We have a highly educated population.
They can no longer say that people are too ignorant to understand information because they have access to so much of it.
And furthermore, they can't enforce a regime that cuts down on our access either to things or to information.
And as a result, you see something remarkable happening.
Let me give you a quick example.
So mobile medical apps.
Mobile medical apps came out out of the blue as far as the FDA was concerned and rapidly progressed.
So they had all kinds of them.
And FDA was working on regulations to try to prevent information from coming out and uses of mobile medical apps that they thought shouldn't happen.
And what happened was They came in so late with their proposed regulations because they simply couldn't anticipate the changes that were evolving in the marketplace so rapidly.
And as a result, we have the benefit of mobile medical apps without government prior restraint right now.
We've got mobile medical apps that are giving health information so cardiologists can communicate with their patients without requiring them to come into the office.
We're having information transmitted online from patients who are at a specific location through various means.
And that information is giving diagnostic ability to doctors through telemedicine without the necessity of you going to a specific place.
Greatly efficient, saving lives right and left.
And this is the reality that the FDA and all of the governments of the world are facing.
Donald Trump is about to usher in the greatest revolution in American history.
We're going to see a market that's going to boom.
We're going to see...
All of these markets, health markets, other markets, we're going to see costs come way down.
We're going to see food prices drop.
We're going to see gas prices drop.
We're going to see a booming marketplace.
We're going to see upward mobility.
We're going to see a change in the way and standard of living in the American people that is unprecedented.
We're going to be the leader of the world once again in all facets, and the rest of the world is going to be sucked in.
They're not going to be able to maintain totalitarian regimes against the force.
And they're not going to be able to deny their people access to information because it's going to come from the United States and from all other sources that they can't completely shut off.
And they're not going to be able to deny their citizens who are clamoring for options, the options that the American people are going to have.
We're going to be the biggest test lab of freedom in the world, just around the corner.
and the rest of the world already anxious to be free is going to have every lust and desire to be just like the americans in having access to freedom having upward mobility having opportunities galore this is coming and so we have to be i'm sorry but i'll tell you what this year i mean just just to confirm what you just said this year people will be able to they i mean they can go out and buy an nvidia graphics card put it in their computer
they can have instant access to the entirety of human knowledge on nutrition and herbs and health and At their fingertips, at no charge, without censorship.
And within a few months, you're going to have an AI avatar on your screen, running on your local computer that you just talked to.
You put on a microphone, and you ask it questions like, Hey, I've been feeling a little bit weird.
I'm going to go to the grocery store.
What should I consider buying if I'm concerned about blood sugar?
And it will give you authoritative answers from across this vast array of knowledge.
We're talking millions of science papers, millions of pages of book text, representing billions of hours of human investigation and authorship and research.
The FDA, if they come along and say, well, AI can't talk about nutrition, I'm going to laugh in their face.
Good luck.
Dr. Verkirk, what's your take on it?
Look, I think it's going to be a game changer.
If you look at the other side of the fence, essentially the primary mechanism, and we've lived and breathed it and fought it for over 20 years in Europe, has been to use a risk assessment model.
If you want to characterize what happened during COVID, if you want to characterize What was done to try and remove freedoms?
You can essentially identify that what they're trying to put in front of us is this notion of safety, that Big Brother is trying to do things to protect you because we know better than you do.
And that's the mechanism Nobel is using, the major universities are using.
It's the primary mechanism that's driving.
The editorials in the major medical journals, and all of it is based on false principles.
We've recently filed a lawsuit against the FDA on their OTC ban of homeopathic products, and we're in the middle of that right now.
And they have done that using this European and Codex model, this thing called risk assessment.
And risk assessment exists.
As a mechanism ostensibly to keep people safe.
In reality, it has exactly the opposite effect.
And the way it works is you take the most sensitive population, you take the most susceptible population, you take the particular adverse effect that occurs at the lowest possible dose, and you then...
Look at maybe one or two papers, not the totality of evidence, one or two papers, and then you use uncertainty factors because there are only one or two papers to then generate a threshold dose of safety that is applied through regulation across the board.
And to give you an idea how this works, if you take Europe, for example, they have determined That vitamin B6, anything over 10 milligrams, is unsafe.
And they're trying to build.
We have been fighting a tooth and nail for 15 years plus now.
That's incredible.
Sometimes I'll take 100 times that dose, you know, occasionally.
You know, you've got these ridiculous nutrient reference values, ridiculous upper safe levels.
All of it is based on flawed toxicological principles and built around the precautionary principle.
The precautionary principle is incredibly useful when you are looking at environmental chemicals.
It is really problematic when you start to look at things that are good for you.
So we've been building a new risk and benefit model.
Anything that causes a slight risk to the most susceptible group.
And then you essentially impose a binary system that says you're either going to have this thing or you're going to ban it.
You don't have any kind of risk management.
You don't decide to put warning labels on products.
That's the way these authoritarians think.
It is a very, very dangerous system.
So the AI models that you're talking about, your own one, is probably going to be the most...
Comprehensive, available.
It blows that whole system into the weeds.
Not only does it do that, as soon as people start interacting with it, you've got a phenomenal mechanism for behavior change.
Because people will be subject to the crazy information coming top down that has been generated through these revolving doors between big food, big pharma, big tech.
Well, AI will give every person access to a wellness coach at zero cost.
I mean, think about that.
And the other thing that we're doing is we are releasing our model with what's called open weights, which means that anybody can take our model and use it as a starting point to build more onto it or to customize it for their particular use case or their knowledge base.
So, for example, a nutritional supplement company can take our model.
And then they can additionally train it on their corpus of data and knowledge about their products, which will benefit from the base of nutritional knowledge that the model already has.
And then they could deploy that as a customer service model, which we are about to do ourselves.
So when customers come to our online store, they have the choice to say, hey, chat with an AI avatar about wellness.
Can scale to an unlimited number of people.
Now imagine this on a nationwide basis.
And yes, Jonathan, we can put in whatever guardrails are necessary to say, don't talk about bioweapons, don't talk about this or that.
We can sort of aim the AI in a narrow direction to focus on things like fitness or nutrition or detoxification.
But I don't think the government is ready.
I don't think they even realize what's happening, probably because most of them don't even show up at work.
But this is a revolution taking place.
How do you keep up legally?
There's a lot of legal action that has to take place here, and that's not known to be rapid.
Can you give us a hint of what you plan to be working on this year and beyond?
So all of the barriers to accessing information that the federal government has in place, we're going to attack.
We're going to attack those things so that people can get access to all information about nutrients affecting disease in the market at the point of sale where it matters most.
And we're also going to end this regime of categorizing products and saying that they're only a food when they actually have medicinal properties or they're only a drug when they actually...
We're going to tell the truth.
There's going to be transparency.
People are going to understand that their options involve risks and that they can decide the relative risks to take.
If they want to take a therapeutic dose of a synthetic substance despite the adverse effects of it, they can go ahead and do that.
But they're going to understand the natural analogs and their effects.
So claims related to Blood pressure lowering, cholesterol lowering, blood sugar lowering, now that are verboten, forbidden, are going to be allowed in the course of our fights with the government.
There are many natural substances that lower blood pressure, lower blood sugar levels, and lower cholesterol, but they can't tell you that.
And this poses risks for people.
I mean, if you're on a drug that lowers these things...
And you don't know that a food source you're taking has the effect of lowering it.
You may get to a point where it's actually dangerous for you.
Or you may have higher doses of a drug than you need.
Or you may find that you don't need those drugs at all.
So we need to empower people, and that's what information does.
Jonathan, to follow up, but the economic impacts of this forced disinformation are huge because...
In many cases, a naturally available nutrient or even just a common food at the grocery store may be a fraction, a tiny fraction of the cost of a synthetic pharmaceutical.
Right, with none of the adverse effects frequently or with adverse effects that are de minimis.
Yeah, this is going to be revolutionary and this is how you're going to make America healthy again.
It's not going to be by government saying, oh, you have to eat a carrot every day.
It's not going to be by government saying, oh, you cannot drink a soda pop.
It's going to be by government opening up information flows that just leave you awash in information about the effects of specific foods on your health and nutrients on your health.
So that when you go into the grocery store and you're a conscientious parent and you want to feed your children, you're going to say, oh, I'm not going to buy that white Wonder Bread anymore.
Oh, I'm not going to buy anything with gluten in it.
Oh, I'm not going to.
Go over here and buy this heavily sugarized cereal.
I'm not going to buy things with red dye in it.
Hopefully that's out of the market.
And, you know, on and on and on in your choices that will be informed at the point of sale.
So, you know, the nutritional benefits associated all of them with cancer risk reduction and broccoli and so forth.
You'll know that.
Yes.
So that you'll be able to tail your diet.
And you'll come in with unique characteristics.
You'll come in with a family history of certain cancers maybe or with a risk factor that others don't have where you would benefit by having a lifestyle and a food choice of one kind or another.
And people will then live longer.
They'll have healthier lives.
They'll gain control.
They'll have sovereignty for the first time over the biological destiny of their own bodies.
Yeah, wow, what an amazing idea, treating adults like adults, you know, that are responsible for their own health.
But, Dr. Verkirk, the FDA has long banned certain herbs that are used in traditional Chinese medicine, such as mahuang, or ephedra in English.
And this particular herb is used in ancient formulations, literally thousands of years old in China, that were able to defeat pandemics.
We did not have access to ma huang in the United States during COVID, and it could have been extremely beneficial.
So will the ANH also fight to restore access to some of these natural herbs or substances that the FDA has denied Americans access to?
So on page 99 of our book, we actually cover this very issue around traditional medicines.
In essence, we've been waiting for the FDA to jump on the issue of medicinal herbs.
These are really the closest the natural sector gets to drugs.
And of course, there's been massive efforts to try and prevent.
products that are botanical in origin that actually do some of the same things that drugs do, very often doing it better.
So Jonathan's actually been involved in opening up or challenging on ephedra in the past.
There are many instances of it again.
We see the requirement for an entirely new regulatory regime.
In Europe they did attempt to create a simplified drug regime for herbal medicines.
That was a spectacular failure, quite deliberately.
So on one hand, they said, you know, a lot of people in Europe want to use Ayurvedic and traditional Chinese medicines, but we want to make sure they go through a safe passage.
And in fact, they used, when you look at the legend of history of the traditional herbal medicinal products directive, they used one of the biggest cases of poisoning.
That was related to the misidentification of Stephania for Aristolochia that resulted in over 100 cases of deaths from kidney disease that happened as a result not of naturopathic practitioners dispensing a mislabeled product, but actually medical doctors.
And in fact, the dietary supplement industry in Europe took the hit on that.
But that system failed spectacularly because they created an almost impossible quality control regime for these herbal medicines.
So only a few products that are really part of the European, the Germanic phytotherapy tradition, which is really a 20th century tradition, not a 4,000 year old.
Ayurvedic or TCM tradition gets through the door.
So that system would have come to America if we sat there and done nothing.
And what we're developing, you'll see it on page 99 of our book, is a specific program that we see developing.
It requires a framework because you can see in the case of many medicines, there is right now.
An opioid, a new opioid crisis being created in America by people who are jumping on the back of a Southeast Asian herb, kratom, and then essentially adulterating it with synthetic alkaloids that really are not present.
They're virtually not present in natural cradon substances, but they then put large amounts of 7-hydroxymetragenin into these products, and they're selling it through smoke and vape shops.
And the FDA is doing absolutely nothing about it, despite the fact that this is many, many more times more addictive than morphine.
Wow.
So allow these bad actors to get on board, and that problem needs to be solved.
So typically they do that so they can essentially throw the whole lot down the kitchen.
They want a crisis so they can get more power, centralized control.
Let me just remind our viewers here of your website, anh-usa.org, the Alliance for Natural Health, and here's the book page.
The new book is called The Maha Mandate, and you can go directly to the book at mahamandatebook.com.
I think I have that correct.
And you can download the book here, or...
You can get a physical copy.
I think you're going to have them on Amazon and other booksellers soon.
But also, if people come to Washington, D.C. on Wednesday, they'll get a copy of the book.
Is that correct?
That's right.
Indeed they will.
You can kind of take this book and you can make RFK fly as Superman this way.
Love it.
One of the neat things about this book is that it encapsulates the whole Maha agenda in 120 pages, which is no small feat, but also it is very revelatory in that it provides information on what actually can be done in the first 90 days, first six months to achieve a great amount of this agenda of freedom that is promised by RFK and the Maha agenda.
We are we are in a unique situation.
This is the greatest opportunity in our lifetimes.
We've got to really scramble now to let our representatives know in the United States Senate that you want RFK in as HHS secretary.
And the reason is that you want your rights protected.
You want access to information.
You want the censorship to end.
You want alternative medicine not to be treated as dirt, but to be given its opportunity to flourish in this country based on consumer choice.
It's all about individual empowerment and giving each of us the chance to do with our lives what we think best without having government take us into a direction that's against our interests.
Jonathan, tell us about there are two U.S. senators right now, as I understand it, who are holding up this nomination.
Oh, wow.
That was fast.
Okay.
Teleportation?
You've been in the same building?
My system is not able to carry the signal, so Jonathan seemed to be working much better than mine.
Okay, great.
That's fantastic.
Yeah, Jonathan has the superior hacking skills.
He hacked into all the bandwidth and took it.
Good job, Jonathan.
But who are the senators who are opposed to RFK Jr.?
Collins and Murkowski particularly, of course, most Democrats are probably going to vote against him, but two Republicans are bolting from the reservation, Collins and Murkowski, and they need to hear from those people who live in Alaska and Maine that they do not want their elected representative to vote against this great man and destroy the chance of a lifetime, really, to protect our own interests.
And so if you can, write to your senators in every state and tell them you want RFK confirmed.
And tell, in particular, if you're in Alaska or you're in Maine, send a text, send an email, call on the phone, tell the member in their office that you are a citizen of their state and you want to make clear that you support RFK and you want him to be confirmed.
If we can flip Murkowski and...
I think this thing is done.
There are some Democrats who may vote for RFK. For example, Fetterman has indicated that he will vote for RFK. If you're in any state with a Democrat, I mean, by all means, write to them.
Don't write it off as not possible.
Write to them.
Tell them you want email, text, phone.
Tell them you want RFK in there.
We will only have ourselves to blame if he doesn't get confirmed.
If he doesn't get confirmed, the whole Maha agenda is in dire straits because he is it.
He created it.
He is the grandfather and father of it.
And he is the party that can push it through because he's sincere and firmly dedicated to achieve it.
We can have We can have greater health in this country.
We can have greater longevity.
We can have greater diversity of opportunity in the healthcare market.
We can have all of the things that are related to good nutrition because we can understand at the point of sale what nutrients are in our foods.
And we can have foods that no longer have PFAS elements and other elements in them because the government will rightly protect us from injury.
That's what we need.
That's what he's all about.
And gee, I just hope he gets it.
Expecting, though, as a reality check, Pharma is one of the largest lobbying groups in D.C. And Pharma writes checks to all these senators.
And so we have to generate enough grassroots support to let these senators know that they need to vote against the lobbyists and vote for the people.
I mean, that seems to be what we have to overcome here, correct?
Absolutely.
100%.
In fact, Pharma is doing this.
Pharma is, this is a long-term program, but they'll set up nonprofits that look like they're independent, and they'll have names that suggest that they're out for you, and they'll pump all this money into them, and they do lobbying, and they do publicity campaigns that are frankly quite deceptive.
In the case of RFK... They're lying about his positions.
They're saying, for example, that he would ban all vaccines.
That's not his position.
Not true at all, no.
Not at all.
And his position is instead, this is what his position is, that you be fully informed, that there be transparency, that all the information they're hiding from you about the adverse effects of vaccines be given to you.
Well, so the scare tactics, they're claiming that polio would make a comeback.
It's complete nonsense.
These are such scare tactics.
And I think the American people are on to that.
I think that we're not going to be fooled by it.
But I do believe that unless we make clear to our elected representatives that we know the real scoop and that we want him in there, that they might well follow the money.
And the money is only coming from Big Pharma.
It's not coming from anybody on our side.
All these members get money from Big Pharma directly and indirectly.
And the effect of that is profound.
If they're not watched, if we let this go by in silence, if we're not on it and pressuring them, they will take advantage of the situation and they may prevent his confirmation.
OK, my hope is that we watch this carefully.
I hope everybody watches the hearings.
You know, he is outstanding RFK in answering questions.
That's because he sincerely believes in his positions.
As a result, these a lot of these phonies who are in Congress will ask him these questions designed to entrap him or whatever.
That won't work with him.
He's going to be a master in those hearings.
He's going to absolutely persuade a lot of people.
But we all have to see that.
And I think if you watch him, if you see him testify, you're going to realize the depth of his sincerity and commitment.
He's not going to be like those typical mealy-mouthed political people that sit there and waffle and can't tell you what a woman is.
And these types of things, that's not RFK at all.
You're going to be surprised.
A lot of people are going to be surprised.
Okay, so a note to my editor.
Put on screen the Capitol Hill switchboard number, the 202 number.
I forgot the rest of it, but there's a phone number.
I need you to call your senators, and I need you to politely register your position that they should vote to confirm RFK Jr. That vote is, I think it's right after the hearing, on Wednesday, is it?
When does the vote actually happen?
Do you know?
Well, it depends on their preferences, but the fact is he's going to be before two committees, one on Wednesday, one probably on Thursday, and then there's going to be a vote by the committee.
And if the committee votes him in favor of him, it will go to the whole floor.
I see.
And then every member of Congress will vote.
So we need to influence the health committee.
We need to influence the finance committee.
We need to write to those members.
But the best way to do it is to tell your own member of Congress where you are in this and that you support him.
And then also, if you have the time, write to the chairman of the committee of the health committee, to the chairman and the chairman of the finance committee.
And also to the leading minority members there.
And you can look this up online.
If you just look up Senate Finance Committee, it's actually a longer name, pensions, something else, and energy and health, I think, committee.
If you just look up Senate Help Committee and Senate Finance Committee, you'll get there.
You'll see the majority members, Republican, minority members.
And, yeah, if they are in your state, in particular, you have more traction.
And an easy way to get to your member of Congress is to go to the ANH website at a point, Rob can tell you here in a second, and there you can simply fill in the information that you want to convey, and then it will automatically send it to your specific senator.
Oh, let's do that.
Okay, I've got the website up.
Walk me through it, Dr. Verkirk.
The way in which we do this is via our email alerts.
So the critical thing is that you're signed up to our free newsletter, which you can find by going on to anh-usa.org.
And we've been already doing a large number of them.
We'll be sending out another one probably tomorrow now.
And that you can direct directly to your congressmen and also senators in your state.
So, you know, it's have your say.
You'll see Kennedy in the subject line, but we're putting out action alerts every week, and we'll continue doing so until after the last vote, and that will be the full congressional vote.
Okay, and then I see from the mass head of your website, undertake action.
If people click on Action Center, it goes here.
Is this the one?
Exactly, that's one of them.
Yep, you can use that now.
Okay, great.
Yeah, so just fill in your data.
Ideally, you'll see when you use that form, we've got some standard text in there.
If you can modify it, all the better.
Yeah.
Personalize it.
Personalize it.
And folks, you could just use AI to write it for you if you want.
It's just like, as long as it's just unique.
Mike, you've probably got an AI engine that can personalize it for anyone in the country.
Easily, yeah.
That's easy for AI these days.
But powerful.
Okay, so everybody, this is a take-action moment.
And we're about to wrap this up, gentlemen, but let me just reemphasize to our audience, this is a take-action moment.
If you want access to nutritional supplements, if you want to be able to speak openly and freely as a provider of health solutions, and this could include herbs, it could include homeopathy, it could include other forms of medicine, natural medical devices, you know, all kinds of things.
Nutrients, foods, superfoods, you name it, microalgae, fermented foods.
We need you to help take action to get RFK Jr. confirmed so that we can restore trust, honesty, and transparency in all these areas.
And lastly, gentlemen, I just want to reiterate, what you advocate is fact-based health claims.
You know, you're not saying just out of the blue, you don't want anybody to just make up and say anything.
You're talking about science-based, fact-based, evidence-based.
Information about nutrition.
There's a lot of that that already exists, correct?
We need to see the reinstigation of real science.
Essentially, what's happened over the last few years has been a scientific deception, you know, that we've been told to follow the science.
And this science is deliberately misleading.
It's been created as a whole teams of behavioral psychologists who developed it in order to influence.
People politically in terms of what they buy, what they determine is truthful or misleading information.
The reality is the biggest propagators of misinformation we've seen are the people who declare that they're giving truthful information.
Now that's going to stop under this administration.
This is so deeply misleading.
And so, yes, we've got to use.
All of the proper scientific methods that allow us to look at the totality of information.
And the reality is that we are natural beings who've evolved over millennia with natural foods and substrates.
And we do pretty well when we take those.
And we don't do so well when we start to manipulate molecules so that people can create a business with disease and develop a patent model.
That is basically now being accepted to be this healthcare industry that we're meant to need so much.
This is a time of huge change and we need to really allow individuals and nations.
To regain sovereignty.
And that means moving away from a centralized system of control that is increasingly moving.
It's becoming supranational and moving into Geneva through organizations like the World Health Organization.
And it's no great surprise.
on the first day of Trump being in office.
He's already, you know, basically declared that it'll take one year to happen, but has proposed that America removes itself from the World Health Organization.
That's a huge step in the right direction.
That's right.
That's right.
Well said.
Well, gentlemen, we are up on time here.
I I want to thank you both for your extraordinary insights, analysis, and also your heart, your courage, your spirit for not just the American people, but for the world, because this is an international issue.
Leadership and efforts, America can lead the way.
And with RFK Jr. in as head of HHS, we can change the future for the better.
So thank you both for joining me today.
It's been an honor.
Our pleasure.
Thank you so much, Mike.
You're very welcome.
I greatly appreciate you and your time.
Now the website, folks, is anh-usa.org.
That's the Alliance for Natural Health.
That's the USA rendition of the organization.
There's also a donate button there if you choose to.
Donate to A&H, which I strongly endorse.
There's the Take Action link there that we just covered for you to take action.
And then finally, if you go to mahamandatebook.com, it will take you to the new book page that we had up here a little bit ago, which is, here it is, the Maha Mandate new book release.
So check out that book, download it, share the word, and also repost this interview.
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But you can post it everywhere else or at least attempt to do so.
You have my permission.
So thank you all for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.com.
God bless America and God bless each and every one of you.
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