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Jan. 16, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Michael Yon and Mike Adams cover Trump’s designs on Panama and Greenland, China’s tactics...
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Welcome to today's interview here on BrightTown.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of BrightTown.
This is an audio-only interview with our very special guest today, a fan favorite, and also a world traveler who's got crazy intel today, updating us about what's happening.
It's Michael Yon.
Welcome, Michael.
It's always an honor, sir, to have you on.
Thanks, Mike.
I'm in Panama City again.
Panama City.
Panama.
The famous one.
And, boy, things are, as you can imagine, getting more interesting by the day here now because, you know, President Trump has made the statements that he's made, and it's really got a lot of Panamanians concerned, of course.
Go ahead, sir.
Well, isn't it interesting that Trump, his actions are part of a pattern that most of the public is not yet aware of, but you have been talking about this for quite some time.
I have.
Our mutual friends like Matt Brackett and so on, you know, global sea routes, the Suez Canal, the Panama Canal, and Greenland and the Arctic trade routes, right?
This is what Trump is trying to do.
He's trying to set in place global trade routes.
Protected by the U.S. Navy to compete with China and the BRICS countries.
Isn't that part of what's happening?
Right.
That's a big part of what's happening.
As you know, a lot of what's been going on in the world is about routes and resources, less so about religion and that sort of thing.
But, for instance, October 7th in Israel, the sort of false flag attack, or at least the green flag attack, that was about...
Routes and resources.
I mean, the Indo-European corridor that will start at Mumbai and go through UAE, through Saudi, through Jordan, and through Israel will go right through Gaza.
And, of course, there's a lot of energy off of Gaza.
And, of course, there's the Ben-Gurion Canal and all these sorts of things.
So we look at these things all over the world.
Recently, Masako Ganaha and I and Al Johnson, we were over in Thailand looking at another.
And another route that's being formed on the Krah Isthmus of Thailand, that will allow China to bypass the Strait of Malacca, right?
Oh, wow.
Okay.
And I've talked about that for 10 years.
The first time I reconned that on the Krah Isthmus was in 2014. So, I mean, they're building it right now.
China's building that railway.
Down from China, they're building new stations through Thailand every day now.
Not building new stations every day, but they opened one up, a new one about three weeks ago.
But, you know, we were just over there recently looking at that.
The Belt and Road Initiative is quite intense, and there's numerous different oligarchical systems that are making their own, of course.
Or many, actually.
Of course, there's the Russians with Iran, and there's the Chinese doing it all over the place.
And then the United States has been mostly just collapsing and ceding the ground to everybody else.
And when I say ceding, I mean ceding with a C, not with an S, right?
And so we basically turned our back on the Panama Canal, or on Panama.
I mean, the Panamanians all the time, a lot of Americans now do to...
Due to Trump's statements, they think that Panama has been snubbing us and wants to go with China.
But Panamanians tell me constantly, big-level Panamanians, where is America?
We want America to help us get rid of China.
But America's over here selling democracy, and China is bringing money and opening stuff.
And building ports.
I mean, China's building port infrastructure all over the world.
They're really smart.
To be looking ahead and building infrastructure.
They are.
And they're doing a lot of this with Japanese money, actually.
And so, weirdly.
And so there's all these little, you know, textures here that most people are unaware of or, you know, talking about the invasions that are going through, say, the Darien Gap.
And now suddenly Americans are blaming this on Panama, which, you know, I've said...
It was Mayorkas.
It was our own homeland security.
No, you get it.
You get it.
You get it.
You're one of the 1% of the 1%.
And Matt Bracken gets it.
He was down the Darien Gap watching it.
We were together.
And Brett Weinstein, we were there together.
Chris Martinson, Laura Loomer.
We were all, you know, Epoch Times.
That took like 50 or 60 people down there, right?
You did, yes.
And Vandersteel, of course.
And so we all get it.
And so Panama...
I've said two or three thousand times at least.
I'm not overstating that.
I've really said it thousands of times that Panama wants to close the Darien Gap.
And you know that.
Absolutely.
I've been watching your show and you're talking about that.
But suddenly Americans think Panama is the one that's been doing it when they openly want to close it.
But we, with Mayorkas...
And the Department of Homeland Security and the United Nations and all these people, they're keeping it open.
And meanwhile, the Border Patrol there in Texas, which I've been across the entire southern border from SpaceX to San Diego, I've seen our Border Patrol load thousands of invaders onto buses and bust them into the heartland.
I've seen thousands loaded like that.
And other people like Oscar Blue and, oh, so many, Ann Vandersteel, Masako Gunaha again.
Doc Pete Chambers.
Pete Chambers has been all over that southern border.
He's seen this.
It's our border patrol loading them up.
Meanwhile, we're going to blame Panama.
Well, and importantly, I'm going to bring in the name of Jack Posobiec here because Posobiec, who I believe comes out of really military intelligence, and I think sometimes he is handed memos.
That either he falls for it or he follows orders or whatever, but he's pushing a narrative right now that seems to be trying to create conflict between the U.S. and the Panama government as a pretext to justify an American military occupation of Panama.
Is that how you see it?
Absolutely.
So back numerous times to go down there, he's clearly afraid to come down to the Darien Gap.
The last time I invited him, I was live on Alex Jones, and he invoked the OPSEC thing.
You know, OPSEC, you know, I call them OPSEC clowns.
I've called them that ever since the Iraq and Afghan wars.
You know, anytime somebody's like, you know, this is getting uncomfortable, they'll throw an OPSEC card.
I'm like, okay, Jack, come to the Darien Gap.
But anyway, more recently, he made those statements that he made.
About, you know, going after Panama for keeping the Darien Gap open.
And I finally just went for him.
You know, I, you know, I was been polite the entire time.
And I finally just, you know, said, listen, that's that's enough of that.
You need to get your little self down to the Darien Gap and stop running around like, you know, an arrogant guy that you are and get on the ground where the real.
Stuff is happening because you wouldn't say these things if you're on the ground.
You know, again, I've taken 50 or 60 people into the Darien Gap, but one who's afraid to go, Jack Posobiec.
Get on your horse, Jack, and go to the Darien Gap.
I'm not going to take you.
That is off the table, but I can have somebody else take you.
You'll get in safely.
You won't have to worry, and you'll get out safely, and then you'll have a better idea about what's going on.
Well, that's important, and I appreciate the fact that you're inviting people to take the tours there.
Now, you know, I've been right where you are right now.
I've been there before.
I've been through Panama.
I've been through parts of Costa Rica.
You know, I lived in South America.
The immigration problem wasn't nearly as bad when I was there, but I do have a sense of the local people in those areas, and the local people...
Are very capable.
They're very proud.
Actually, they're very well-informed compared to a lot of Americans who are just kind of brain-blasted by fake news media all the time in the U.S. And I think our audience needs to understand that the people of Panama suffered under the colonizing influences of Mayorkas and the Biden regime for the last four years.
I mean, Biden and Mayorkas were shoving the invasion camps down the throats of Panama.
Correct?
Absolutely.
And Panama, again, so many times they're like, where are the Americans?
Why did you leave?
You know, we're here facing nothing but China at this point.
And so China is, you know, building more infrastructure.
That's clear.
They don't run the canal, period.
Full stop.
China simply doesn't run the canal.
They don't operate it.
They do have ports on each side, right?
Now, I was just talking with a ship pilot.
You know, these ship pilots, especially the old-school Panamanian pilot ship pilots, so every ship that comes through here, including that nuclear submarine that came through about two or three days ago, every one of those ships that comes through, they are actually piloted by Panama ship pilots.
Actually, some are still Americans, but they're licensed by the Panamanian government.
In other words, even if you're...
A nuclear submarine, you do not pilot your own submarine through the Panama Canal or aircraft carrier or any of that.
It's always piloted by Panamanians and the reason why, or let's say, many are still Americans actually.
I'll be with one tomorrow actually.
And these people have so much experience you wouldn't believe it.
Like this guy that just messaged me.
It took him 14 years to be certified to do all the ships that he does.
Wow.
You can become a brain surgeon faster than that, right?
And so, I mean, this is a very, you know, it's not as if you can just take over the canal and operate this thing.
You can't.
This guy told me yesterday, he said, you know, he's American.
He said, you know, this idea that these Chinese...
And they are there, for sure.
I mean, I go by them all the time.
But the idea that they're actually naval ports is just false.
You can't refuel there.
The only way you can refuel your ships at those Chinese ports on each end of the canal is if a bulkhead comes up to you and does it, which is, you know, a ship that has fuel in it, right?
So they're actually not made for military fueling.
But that said, China...
Definitely has ports on each side of the canal, which means they could certainly throttle it if they wanted to.
No question.
Just like they can do to Los Angeles and so many other places.
It's not just here in Panama.
The United States has given up ground to the Chinese inside the United States in our ports in the United States.
So it's not just Panama.
I was just down there in Argentina for almost two months.
And likewise, the Chinese are building the...
Bi-Oceanic Corridor down there.
And Masako and I were down there looking at it.
And, you know, again, that should be us doing that, right?
And Argentina wants us down there.
They very much want us down there.
But Chinese are the ones bringing the money.
But actually, again, I want to – this may have sounded like a little throwaway earlier, but it's not.
A lot of the money coming in is actually from Japan.
So we need to work different arrangements where Americans become more extroverted again.
Now, I know people are always talking about American imperialism and that sort of thing, but let me tell you what, this canal would not exist at all without the United States if we didn't make it, right?
But I want to be crystal clear, the Panamanians are pro-American.
The vast majority are pro-American.
Vast majority.
And they want us back.
Now, they want their sovereignty.
They have their pride.
That's great.
That's outstanding.
In fact, we want partners that have a lot of national pride.
Because you don't want weak partners.
You want strong partners, right?
Yes.
Not that Panama is very strong.
It has 4 million people.
But their center front is very professional.
They're very serious.
But they're also very small.
Maybe 6,000, which is...
It depends on how you count them, but that's their sort of border patrol slash police slash army.
They don't really have an army, but anyway, they're quite serious, but they don't have serious weapons.
They don't have great communications.
They have really good training.
I mean, they're great in the jungle, you know, and they're very, very professional.
But they need our help, and they want to close the Darien Gap.
All we have to do is say, We're not in your way anymore.
Please close it.
And Panama will be able to close it.
Yeah, well, it's exactly right.
But Michael, I want to back up a little bit.
You said some really important things.
And I want the audience to understand more of the historical context here, which I know you're well aware of.
So the Panama Canal was spearheaded largely by the United States.
But let us not forget that it was a lot of Chinese immigrant labor that worked on the canal.
I don't know how many hundreds or thousands of Chinese died building that canal as well, you know, under the command of the United States.
I mean, that was a hellscape type of job, even building it.
Secondly, the United States, under Richard Nixon, actually...
Stopped recognizing Taiwan and switched this recognition to China and then began to transfer manufacturing technology to China in order to take advantage of China's much cheaper labor and much larger population of a labor workforce in order to generate more profits for American businesses.
So, you know, the United States industrialized China, or at least set the seed at the beginning, transferred technology to China, taught them How to manufacture things.
And then now I find it odd that so many in the U.S. are angry at China for doing it better.
You know, it's like, you know what I'm saying?
Like China figured out how to make stuff better, more efficiently, more cost effective, leading in so many areas of the world.
And now there's this kind of anger or frustration with the United States wanting to now use coercion and bullying and force to control the world rather than competing with innovation and industrial output.
And, you know, a labor force and things like that.
What do you think?
Yeah, I mean, we don't really have to coerce anybody.
They would definitely rather work with Americans than Chinese or work with Japanese.
They like working with Japanese, too.
Japanese or Americans, they love working with us.
And it's interesting, by the way, we just...
Today we were in the Panama Canal Museum down in Costco Viejo, for those who are familiar with Panama City.
And I've been in that museum before, but we just spent several hours and it just left like an hour ago to come back to talk with you, actually.
And weirdly, we noticed that there was almost no mention of Chinese.
Isn't that weird?
That is weird.
And now keep in mind, the Chinese that worked on the canal were mostly with the French.
And then we came and it was, you know, we used blacks and white people too.
True, true.
But the Chinese were mostly before.
And so, but there are, the Chinese situation is actually very interesting and complex because a lot of the Chinese here that have been here for, you know, like 150 years, they speak Cantonese, right?
Whereas new ones that are coming in.
They speak Mandarin, you know, Fujianese, that sort of thing.
And they come in through different mechanisms.
They're like different ecosystems of Chinese.
Now, they overlap, of course, and there is a Confucius Institute here and all these different things that are going on.
But the bottom line is this museum that we were just in, we study museum warfare, right?
We've been to museums all over the world.
And you can see this Panama Canal Museum.
Very well done museum.
But it's also a very subtle attack on the United States.
For instance, when they start talking about Americans, the room is darker and colder as you change rooms and go from one room to the next.
And, you know, again, we look at these very professional museums around the world, like Nanjing, China.
I've gone over to that one and many, many, many, you know, I don't know.
Many, many dozens, right?
And you can see when they're weaponized, the attacks can be quite subtle.
But by the time you're finished through there, you're like, wow, the Americans are really bad people.
You know, they don't acknowledge the fact that without Americans, that canal would not have been built, period.
It bankrupted the French.
By the way, Darien, a lot of people don't realize how important Darien is to the history of the Americas.
For instance, The first town that was on mainland Americas, whether south, central, or north, any of the Americas, not on one of the islands, was actually in Darien, right?
Santa Maria de Antigua del Darien.
It was the first town.
It was formed in 1510 in Darien.
Yeah, and what is now Colombia.
And then it was there for like 14 years, and then the locals, I think it was Embra Indians, the ones that I'm out with all the time, they slaughtered the Spaniards.
But that was the first toehold in the Americas, on the mainland Americas, was down there at Santa Maria de Antigua del Dadeon, and that was where the real...
Where it began against the Indians North and South in Central America, that was the first serious toehold.
Very interesting, isn't it?
Yeah, very interesting.
I love the fact that you collect old books, you visit used bookstores, which is something that I love as well, and you visit museums.
That's something I've grown to love.
And in doing so, you can really get a good view of history, the cycles of history, kind of a big picture point of view.
And that leads me...
I'd love your reaction on this.
See, the reason I'm expressing so much frustration with the United States right now, and maybe Trump can change all of this, is that the U.S. has this idea, at least this is the way it has been under current and previous administrations, this idea that the U.S. doesn't have to have...
A working education system, really.
Doesn't have to have industrial output.
Doesn't really have to have domestic energy.
Doesn't have to really innovate anymore like we did in previous generations.
Because all we have to do is run around the world and hold a gun to every nation's head and force them to use the dollar and then we just print dollars and that's how we gain wealth in the world.
And I think that that model is dead.
And it's bizarre to me that...
Our national leaders don't see that that model is dead, that we're moving into a multipolar world.
I mean, it's here already in many ways.
And if we can't compete with Russia, China, India, you know, you name it, then we're going to be in dire straits.
But what's your take on that?
Oh, yeah.
You know, actually, I've got some dollars sitting here on the table with me because we just use dollars to pay to go into the museum because Panama...
The unit of currency here is the dollar, right?
They use U.S. dollars.
And, of course, we know, I mean, fiat currencies always go the way fiat currencies go.
They eventually find their intrinsic level, right?
You know, speaking of which, a long time ago, you gave me these goldback dollars with one one-thousandth of an ounce of gold in them.
Quick correction.
Just goldbacks.
Don't call them dollars because they're not positioned as a replacement for the currency, right?
Oh, I see.
Yeah, that would be illegal.
That would be, yeah, Treasury would have a problem with that.
They're just goldbacks.
They have a thousandth of an ounce of gold in them, but go ahead.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
Yeah, at first, you know, when you gave them to me, I'm like, is this kind of a gimmick?
And then I think about it, I'm like, well, Mike gave it to me, so it's probably not, you know, but it takes a while to study up on it.
And then I realized, no, that's actually very wise.
In one office that I went to with the meetings here in Panama City, somebody actually had some of those on the desk.
Cool.
Yeah, I was like, hey, I got some of those from Mike Adams.
And again, like normal, they knew who you were.
It's so weird, man.
And so anyway.
We know that eventually fiat currency goes the direction that it's going to go, which is to its intrinsic value.
And I think that these goldbacks, maybe that's the way of the future.
I now use...
You know, those gold backs that you gave, I've given them out to people as bookmarks, right?
So to get people thinking about, you need to think about actual something that definitely holds its value, and that would be gold or silver, or both, actually.
And in this museum that we went to today, a big part of it was talking about gold and silver, like normal.
You know, and how this played a role in paying people as they worked on the canal and that sort of thing.
And, of course, there's a lot of gold, especially gold here in Copper here in Panama.
This place is just replete with gold.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, well, here's...
I've never said this publicly, but everybody that comes to my studio, I give them a stack of goldbacks, which is 50. You know, 50 of those...
One 1,000th goldbacks.
And I encourage everybody, like you're doing, Michael, to just give them out.
I mean, part of my goal is to just teach people what honest money is.
What is gold?
And hey, here's a form of gold that's really convenient.
You can slide it into a wallet or a pocket or whatever.
And I just want to show people the difference between fiat currency, which is not money, And metals, which really are money by definition because they hold value over time.
And isn't it interesting, like you said, fiat currency is going to do what it always does.
It's eventually going to go to something close to zero.
Every time I talk about money, like I just did that new song, I Want My Bailout Money, and I had a flood of people talking to me about what happened when they lived in Iraq, what happened to the Iraqi currency, you know.
Hyperinflation or hyper devaluation of the currency.
People that lived in Venezuela.
People that lived in other South American countries.
There's been hyperinflation all throughout.
Chile and all kinds of places.
And even in Ecuador before as well.
So a lot of people living today, Michael, have had an experience of living through a currency collapse.
And it's not pretty.
They lose everything.
Yes.
And I've been in countries where that's happening.
Like Romania back, you know, after the coup and that sort of thing.
And I lived in Poland back when it was, you know, the Zloty would, I've forgotten the inflation rate.
Let's put it this way.
They stopped making coins.
It wasn't like Weimar Germany level, but it was intense enough that the prices were constantly changing.
If you read the book When Money Dies, the book When Money Dies is a great book and it talks about people literally when they would go to A meal like lunch or whatever.
They would negotiate the price before it was served and pay because, you know, hours count.
When people would get paid when they were working, they would literally have to leave work a couple of times a day.
They would get paid a couple of times a day and they would immediately go spend that money.
Like, they don't keep any money in their pocket, right?
That's how...
Quickly it devalues.
Like, saving in fiat is just absolutely insane.
When the hyperinflation hits, you just can't get rid of it fast enough.
Well, and also modern-day Lebanon right now, right?
Lebanon's been suffering under essentially, I don't know if you call it hyperinflation, but very bad currency devaluation for many, many years.
And just a quick plug, if anybody wants to get those goldbacks, I've got a link to them at rangerdeals.com.
I am an affiliate for the Goldback company, and I do earn a small percentage.
And what I do with that is I give Goldbacks out to people.
Michael, I've come up with the best system ever for affiliate marketing.
I plug something as an affiliate, and they pay me with the thing that they make, and then I donate it through my church out to people.
It's the best system ever.
Wow.
Well, it works because you just gave some to me.
You're like, Mike, give these out.
And I was like, what are these things?
You know what I mean?
And now, you know, and now like Masako Ganaha uses the gold back again for her bookmark and Al Johnson and quite a few others.
And so you've got everybody thinking about it, right?
It's very effective.
Yeah.
Well, I want people...
To do well through all the tribulations that we are facing.
And again, Michael, what I love about you is you have this world perspective.
You've seen things.
You're actually a magnet that goes to zones, war zones, collapse zones.
That's where you want to be.
So you've seen more of it than most people living today by far.
So with that in mind, tell me what you think about what's happening in California right now.
That's a clear attack.
Of course, it was so many coincidences that, you know, the enemy's been setting conditions, right?
You and I have talked about conditions like dozens of times when we're talking.
You know, a military commander or a business person or a sports coach or whatever, they're always working to set conditions for success or set conditions for failure for your enemy.
And some of these conditions in California would be not...
Not cleaning away the deadfall, you know, under in the forest and that sort of thing or, you know, clearing away or the crack addicts who start so many fires or why do you even have so many crack addicts or whatever they're on, fentanyl, methamphetamines.
Also, where's the water in the reservoir?
Insurance companies suddenly abandoning their clients, right?
DEI with the fire department and police department and all the rest of the clowns that are running that government now.
Conditions were set.
We've been warning these people, these so-called elites, these...
You know, famous people that think that they're everything, but they're really just rich people that have their faces on camera.
We've been warning them.
You're feeding the beast, and the beast will eat you.
You're not its buddy.
It doesn't like you.
It's just taking what you feed it, and eventually it will eat you.
And look what just happened.
It just ate them.
It just ate many of their...
Just like it did in North Carolina, just like in Maui, also over in Valencia, Spain, and so many other places this has happened and I think will happen.
I think you're going to see it here in Panama.
I would expect it to happen in places like Cologne, Panama.
I think you'll eventually see some disaster there for various reasons.
And so, I mean, go ahead, sir.
No, no, I'm just saying yes, but since you gave me a chance to...
To put this question in, let me ask you a follow-up, which is the insurance collapse that's coming.
So a lot of these homes are destroyed.
Many of them were not insured.
Some are or were.
And so they're going to get money to rebuild the homes.
But then they rebuild the homes.
And at that point, they can never sell it again because nobody will insure it.
So what's the value of a home that cannot be insured, which means no bank will loan money for the home because the bank requires insurance as a condition, obviously.
Michael, aren't we effectively going to see a collapse of real estate valuations in these affected areas?
Yeah.
I mean, it's a perfect opportunity for...
This is like Stalin going for Ukraine.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, right.
This is kind of like a halottom war by fire.
That's right.
That's exactly what just happened.
And keep in mind, when I went to Special Forces sabotage training, which was pretty interesting, One of the first lessons, it may have literally been day one, was never blow anything up that you can burn down.
Because burning things down is the most efficient and effective and cheapest way to do the most damage, right?
And one of the things that you learn, I think it was literally day one, was how to destroy their ability to fight the fires.
Destroying fire hydrants and that sort of thing, interrupting water pipes and that sort of thing.
Which the California government did itself.
They did.
They did it on a big scale.
They absolutely did it.
And conditions were set, and now I don't know how many people are homeless, but certainly probably hundreds of billions of dollars is lost, not just in direct losses, but now they're...
You know, the tax base there is also interrupted.
I mean, it's gone.
I mean, so what's California going to do for all that money that it needs to pay all those people that it pays way too much anyway, right?
California is going to end up being bought by, you know, I've warned many, many, many times, CCP, Chinese Communist Party, wants to make San Francisco a North American.
Well, Michael, let me bring it.
I actually spoke about this in my podcast.
That I recorded yesterday, which is that when Trump is sworn in and Tom Homan starts going after the illegals in California and begins arresting the California officials who are aiding and abetting and hiding the illegals, and that's a criminal offense, right?
I suggested that we might find ourselves in a situation where the state of California, under Newsom, announces secession from the United States.
And then we end up with a federal versus California conflict and Newsom calls in China to defend California against the United States.
Like, that's not a crazy theory any longer.
I'm not predicting that, but it's on the list of things that could happen.
That's how I would characterize it.
I'm not predicting that, but I could easily see that happening.
I don't know if China would actually do it at this point because they want...
To have Taiwan first.
Because China is moving more methodically, right?
But I could easily see where Newsom would do something crazy like that.
Eventually, I think you'll see a fight in Canada between Indians and Chinese, actually.
Of course, you know, Masako and I went up to...
Canada last year, and we spent about a month running around Canada from coast to coast and up in Northwest Territories at Yellowknife, and you can see that the Canada we once knew is gone.
I mean, it's not like it's maybe...
Going to be gone.
It's gone.
You know, a lot of the Canadians just haven't gotten a word yet.
Just like so many other countries have already gone too far, like Ireland, Republic of Ireland, and the UK. Yeah, and Britain and Germany in many ways.
I mean, Michael, you and I talked years ago about what would happen if the energy was cut off to Germany, and all of that has come true.
You nailed it.
And then we see, even today, we see Zelensky in Ukraine.
Shutting off energy supplies to other Western European countries because those pipelines run through Ukraine.
I mean, this is, I think even Lavrov from Russia called it energy terrorism against Western Europe, and he's not wrong about that.
Yeah, I was wondering why he left those pipelines open for so long.
You know, there had to be, you know, you know who called me up recently was the...
Kalen Georgescu from Romania.
He was running for president.
And then the court nixes, you know, just basically threw the election out the window.
That's insane.
Yeah, so he called me up and we talked for, well, I was still down in Argentina at the time.
So I did a quick interview with him, which I don't actually do many outgoing interviews where I'm the interviewer, but I did a quick one with him for about 15 minutes and I put it up.
And then I actually, Sean Ryan contacted me and asked me to introduce me to Mr. Georgescu, and I did, and I had somebody pick up Sean at the airport there in Bucharest.
They just did the interview, and it just dropped yesterday.
It's a very interesting interview with Sean Ryan and Georgescu, because Georgescu did not want that giant NATO base there in Romania, right?
And the United Nations has been basically doing the same thing to Romania that they've been doing to Panama and so many other places.
And it's just one story after another, whether it's Ukraine or...
But, you know, Ukraine, that war has gone more or less, as we predicted, that Ukraine would be just mulched.
You know, and it has been.
I mean, Ukraine is not going to win the war, despite how many times people said, you don't know what you're talking about.
Rewind and find any of a thousand times where we talked about it, did we ever say Ukraine's going to prevail, right?
Of course, we didn't know how wars are going to turn out because they're very unpredictable.
But it's turned out the way we predicted, very badly for Ukraine.
It's just not going to go well from here.
Well, and that was obvious.
And I began saying that also, actually in 2022, that Ukraine could not win this war.
There's a really important concept.
I know you will instantly understand this.
And I heard this from someone.
I don't know who to credit for this.
But I think this came out of the AI industry.
There was a white paper about building infrastructure for AI. But this applies to war, too.
And here's the phrase.
Infrastructure is destiny.
Infrastructure is destiny.
So we could look.
From day one of the conflict with Ukraine, we could look and see Russia has infrastructure, steel, energy, the ability to build out military output, hypersonic weapons, etc.
NATO does not have infrastructure at anywhere close to that level, and with the demolition of the Nord Stream pipelines, the energy supply to that infrastructure collapse.
Isn't that a fascinating phrase, Michael, that infrastructure is destiny?
It is.
Again, it's about conditions, right?
And one of the things, a big advantage that we had over Japan in World War II is we just had more industrial capacity.
That's right.
One of the advantages.
But industrial capacity is not our strong suit anymore.
And Americans don't quite get that.
And they don't quite get that the United States military...
It's thoroughly infiltrated with CCP people.
I mean, with secret clearances and other higher clearances than that, right?
They don't quite understand that the military that they think that we have now is not the military that I was in, and it's certainly not the military that President Grant was in, right?
It's not that.
You know, President Grant, I love reading his stuff.
I've got a couple of his books here.
Every night, the team gets together, and we...
We have a study time together on the nights that we can.
And we study historical things that are of significance.
And who often comes up is President Grant, whether we're talking about Japan or talking about here in Panama, because you know Grant was down here in Panama.
A bunch of his people are actually buried not far from me now.
He trudged across the Panama Isthmus.
Every child that went with their mission died.
I think it was 20, right?
And I think it was every one of the children.
And then about 200 adults or so.
But in any case, you know, he saw how important it was down here.
He realized how important our industrial strength was, our routes and resources.
And that was one of the things he saw about Panama.
You know, one of the things that's interesting about Japan, though, when it comes to Grant, is like everybody.
Like, you know, when Einstein went to China, he didn't like it.
I stayed in the hotel he stayed at, actually, in China.
When Grant went to China, he didn't like China.
You know, but all these guys, Einstein, Grant, they go to Japan, and they're like, hey, this place is great.
You know, Grant was, I mentioned this to you when we talked a couple weeks ago, that Grant actually was cautioning the emperor of Japan.
Not to take foreign debt.
Don't take any loans from foreign countries.
They will try to get you to fight China and they will try to get China to fight you.
These foreign players will try to get China and Japan to fight each other and then loan both of you money and then own both of you, right?
Which is, where does that sound familiar?
I mean, you know, everywhere.
Well, yeah, that's World War II. Also, American banks loaning money to the Third Reich and playing both sides of the war.
But yeah, I agree with you.
Japan, the Japanese culture is such an extraordinary culture of innovation, of invention, of dedication, discipline, precision, right?
And Japanese engineers are some of the best in the world.
But the limitations on Japan are today.
Demographic, right?
They're not reproducing.
And secondly, resources such as oil, which of course played into the U.S. naval embargo of World War II to try to provoke Pearl Harbor, which was successfully provoked.
So, you know, I think Japan has such an important role to play in the future of our world, the future of robotics and technology and innovation.
And it's sad to me to see the global banksters, in many ways, preying on Japan.
And I think Japan still hasn't recovered from the Nikkei crash of 1989, frankly.
No, they haven't.
And they are the subject of an intense information war.
For instance, the failure to breed is clearly part of a larger information war that's also beset Europe and the United States.
Clearly part of a larger operation to get boys to think they're girls and girls to think they're boys and homosexuality is fine and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then you end up, you know, when you add all these different things together, abortion and all these different things, yeah, and, you know, the so-called vaccines, your birth rates go down, right?
That's right.
Population collapse.
Yeah, and that's the way it was meant to be, and now we're being invaded with people that don't need to be in places like the United States and Canada and Japan.
Yeah, absolutely.
I just want to reiterate my admiration of Japanese culture, and I think you and I are on the same page.
We find things to admire about people all over the world, wherever we go.
We get along with locals.
You get along with people wonderfully.
I do as well.
And I speak enough Chinese to talk to Chinese people, etc.
And I speak enough Spanish to get around in South America.
And I find that everywhere I go in the world, people are more on the ball than what we give them credit for in America.
There's this kind of American arrogance that we control the world.
We are the hub of everything.
And actually, you travel, you find out that's not the case.
Yeah, and a lot of these people are tracking a lot better than Americans give them credit for.
They do actually...
We've talked about this numerous times.
I've been out in the hinterlands of Afghanistan or in the Darien, and people just start talking.
I remember I was out with this Afghan...
Village leader and chief and some of his other leadership.
And he was talking about, you know, French leadership and all this stuff.
We're way beyond any electricity line.
They're like 50 miles from a power pole.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
The same thing happens in the Darien Gap.
I'm out with these Kuna people.
This one Kuna leader, I think he was 83 or so.
He pointed to my chest.
He's like, don't you take that vaccine.
I'm like, no, sir, I'm not going to take it.
You know, Kuna are famous fighters, man.
They're great.
And I think he was 83. He's like, don't you take that vaccine.
He said, when Centerfront came to my village, I said, go from here.
You know, Centerfront, you know.
And I asked Centerfront, too.
They were like, yeah, we don't mess with them.
And so, but then he starts talking about, why are you in the war in Ukraine?
Okay, we're in, I'm in the deep, deep in the Darien Gap.
Like, you can't even possibly get to that place without walking for five days in the jungle.
You know what I'm saying?
And that would be if you're a fast walker.
And yet he was talking about Ukraine, right?
Yeah.
No, it's amazing.
I've had those kinds of conversations as well.
Like, highlands people in Peru, high altitude farmers growing papas with, like, bulls that pull the wooden plows.
On the mountainsides, you know, I mean, hard life, like no electricity, no technology, right?
But somehow a lot of these people know what's going on in the world.
It's just amazing.
But let me shift gears for a second.
Back to the fires in California.
Now, you and I have warned a lot about these foreign invaders, enemy combatants coming across the border, occupying America.
And then carrying out sabotage operations.
I've come to the conclusion that some of that element is involved in the California fires.
Because, like you said, in Special Forces, the quickest way to destroy infrastructure is set it on fire.
Well, that's happening now.
Do you believe that this is the beginning of some of the activation of these enemy combatants?
I'd say there's an extremely high chance.
I mean, it wasn't coincidental that the conditions were set purposefully.
That's obvious, right?
I mean, that's just a done deal.
I mean, the conditions were set with intent, right?
Now, again, there's no need to talk about sparks because it's all about conditions.
There's always sparks.
All these meth heads who...
For some reason, start so many fires.
You know, the fires were bound to happen, right?
And so you've drained the reservoirs.
You've got DEI worthless firefighters, right?
I mean, seriously.
And canceling the insurance and so many other things.
This was just...
Bound to for disaster, right?
And so, you know, I usually don't talk about sparks because sparks are always there.
But, you know, fire is a weapon.
Al Qaeda has talked about that for years.
Everybody that's ever run a sabotage campaign anywhere, whether OSS or Special Forces or CIA or whatever, I mean, KGB. Thousands, right?
I mean, fire is one of the oldest weapons of war, like burning down entire forests because your enemy's out in the forest type thing.
You know what I mean?
Burning down Dresden or Tokyo, right?
So many.
Well, parts of L.A. look like Dresden right now.
It's astonishing.
And you said earlier, and I'm just going to summarize what I believe you said, that in Special Forces training, one of the tactics was to destroy...
The ability of the locals to respond to fires by cutting off water supplies, for example, and then the fact that Governor Newsom of California goes on TV and acknowledges that there's no water in these fire hydrants and that's a local problem, even though it's state policies that diverted rainwater into the ocean instead of holding it in these giant...
I don't know, man-made reservoirs.
It seems like a government operation to sabotage California.
I don't know any other...
I mean, I think this is beyond incompetence.
It took planning to be this bad.
Oh, yeah, it did take planning.
Years of it, years of it, letting the fuel loads build up.
And what about these...
These power meters.
Is there truth to this, Michael, that those power meters may have caused some of the fires?
I think that's the narrative of those who are trying to sue the power company, which seems insane to me.
The power company is not trying to start fires.
They provide power.
I mean, yeah, trees fall on power lines, man.
That happens.
But like you said, it's conditions.
It's conditions that matter.
Just setting the conditions, and sooner or later the spark happens, right?
I mean, I've mentioned with you before, we've talked before, you could have a 747 filled with fuel crash in the Darien Gap, and it's not going to burn down the Darien.
It's a rainforest, you know what I'm saying?
Exactly.
And because the conditions aren't right for it.
But if that didn't have any rain for two years, and there's a lot of fuel out there in that Darien.
Of course, it would go up like an explosion, you know, but the conditions aren't right for us.
That's why you don't have massive fires down there.
Well, right.
Even sometimes when somebody, some innocent person is out camping and they don't put out a campfire, right, which is irresponsible, I understand.
But then it burns like 10,000 acres and they get criminally charged for burning 10,000 acres.
I always think logically, well, they didn't burn 10,000 acres.
They had a campfire.
The conditions burned 10,000 acres.
You know what I'm saying?
But how is it that person's fault for all 10,000 acres?
You know?
Yeah.
I mean, especially when the government should have been allowing the burns to happen as they happen naturally anyway.
True.
You know, just let it...
It's better to have a bunch of little fires than one big one.
Right?
True.
Right.
And if you keep putting fires out, Then you end up with a really, really big fire instead of the small fires, like you said.
Yep.
And so, you know, it's done with intent.
We've seen, you know, Doc Pete Chambers was just on your show.
I was watching that.
I didn't get to finish it yet, but I've watched about half of it now.
He was just over in North Carolina, as you know.
And you were donating food there, just like you're doing in California.
But Ann Vandersteel was over there with Doc over in North Carolina, and you see the conditions were set there for the flooding, you know, removing water infrastructure.
That's what happened in Valencia, Spain, by the way.
A lot of the water infrastructure was removed in advance, that huge flooding that you saw in Valencia.
But in advance, a lot of the water infrastructure was removed in advance.
You know, people have been warning about that water infrastructure for years, and there was people, you probably were, because you're one of those kind of guys that would have been on this long before I would have noticed.
When did you notice that they were removing water infrastructure?
Because it's being done in Europe, not just the United States.
Well, I didn't cover that in Spain, so that wasn't on my radar.
However, there's a trend that I've been talking about, which is that as we suffer, Real estate devaluation because of all these disasters, wars, and risks, and so on.
A lot of local governments are having losses in their revenue, and as a result, they stop maintaining infrastructure.
So they start pulling back on infrastructure, whether it's roads or storm drains or streetlights, things like that, or fire and police response.
And Michael, there are cases that I've covered in the past where cities in America Would go grind up paved roads and turn them back into gravel roads because the roads are cheaper to maintain as gravel.
Wow!
I've never heard of that.
Where's that?
That happened around Detroit.
A lot of counties across America, when there would be a mass migration out of them, they would grind up roads.
Think about it.
What does it cost to maintain a gravel road?
Hardly anything, right?
You throw gravel on it once every five years.
You don't have to fix cracks.
And then what you're effectively doing is you're transferring the cost of maintenance or the cost of transportation to the citizens because it's much more difficult to traverse gravel roads than paved roads.
But you're going to see that in California.
This is my prediction.
In many areas that are hit by these fires, you're going to see counties and cities pulling back, and they're going to stop maintaining roads, and that's going to cause more property valuation collapse.
So it's a death cycle.
It is.
And, you know, the water infrastructure, though, like there's a website.
I found it in numerous languages, one of which is English.
And they're basically bragging about removing water infrastructure in parts of Europe.
And, you know, they've got the maps out.
We've removed this here and there and the other things, you know.
Well, Europe is a suicide.
I mean, the leaders of Europe, let me be clear.
They are suicide cultists, and whenever they get an election they don't like, like what happened in Romania, they just nullify the election.
They're going to do the same thing in Germany with the AFD party, because the citizens are sick and tired of the lunatic, woke tyrants that are running all those European countries, France, Germany, Britain, all of it.
And they're going to vote in different people, so the governments are going to try to nullify all those elections.
I mean, what a clown show.
They are.
I mean, you know, I spent more than six years in Europe.
I've been all over that place and greatly enjoyed it.
But in recent times, when I keep going back for updating my knowledge set there, I can see it's like they have crossed the Rubicon.
I don't know how many tens of millions of aliens they brought in, but Luxembourg is half, half invaders now.
That's unbelievable.
Five, zero percent.
It's unbelievable.
It's a suicide cult mentality.
And it's what happens when you have woke leaders that think that illegals and refugees need all the resources and your own people don't need anything.
And Europe is gone.
Western Europe, I should say, is gone.
I mean, it will be a blip in history.
Did you ever think...
Go ahead, sir.
Well, I mean, when they write history 100 years from now, it's going to be talking about 1,000 plus years of the Russian Empire, thousands of years of the Chinese Empire, thousands of years of the Persian Empire, thousands of years of Egyptian empires and so on.
The West is going to be a blip.
Like, oh, it was 250 years and then it committed suicide.
Did you ever think when we were young that you would look at Russia and say, hey, They're actually behaving like 10 times smarter than we are.
You know what I mean?
I would have thought you were crazy if you told me that.
Well, because, you know, the USSR sucked.
Communism sucks.
It did.
But that's not what it is anymore.
That's right.
And today, they're the smart ones.
Yeah.
Today, I mean, look, Michael, here's something interesting.
We're almost out of time.
By the way, this whole conversation is going to be illustrated by an AI engine.
So there's going to be automatic illustrations of what we're talking about here.
And I have assessed all the AI engines in the world.
And do you know the best engines come out of China, not the United States?
And you know why that is?
Why?
Because the U.S. AI engines, all the AI companies in America, are ordered by the CIA and by the government to be woke.
Which means that they're retarded and they can't reason because they think that men can have babies and that carbon dioxide is bad for plants.
Thus, companies like OpenAI, Google, Meta, you name it, Microsoft, they're churning out retarded intelligence.
Not artificial intelligence, but RI, retarded intelligence.
And I found that my own model that we're releasing at Brighteon AI, which is called ENOC, It outperforms open AI, even though they've spent hundreds of billions of dollars and we spent only a little over a million dollars.
But our model beats their model because we trained it on reality.
So think about that.
Next time I'm there, I want to see how you do this stuff.
I watched part of your thing yesterday with the AI, and it was like, I wish I had enough time to just watch the whole thing, but it was amazing.
I was like...
Is this for real?
You know, you were talking about California and all that, and it would pop up the reservoir and just so many things.
It was pretty wild.
Well, everything that you said in today's interview is going to get illustrated by AI, and I find it fascinating to just watch it and see what it comes up with.
Sometimes it's pretty wild.
And you can seed it, too.
You can just start talking about UFOs and aliens and lights in the sky, and it'll just start illustrating that.
It's like whatever you want, man.
Christmas trees, spaceships, you know, Mars, whatever.
People are going to fall in love with that stuff.
The next thing you know, you're going to be people like having gunfights over their AI love affairs.
Oh, man.
Next time you come here, Michael, I will show you some things in person that I haven't shown publicly yet that will rock your world.
Having to do with AI and supercomputing infrastructure and how the world is changing dramatically.
But we'll save that for your visit.
Good.
I can't wait to see it, Michael.
It's going to be something.
Well, okay, Michael, how do people follow you?
It's Michael underscore Jan on Twitter, correct?
Yep.
Michael underscore Jan on Twitter.
And I'm on Substack as well by my name, Michael Jan, Yankee Oscar November.
And I work only on support donations.
That's how I'm able to stay free.
You know what's weird?
As bad as I talk about Trump all the time, his close people reach out to me constantly.
I mean, like really close to him, right?
Like direct advisors.
And I help them because, you know, I want to shut the border.
You know what I mean?
I want to actually make America great again.
Oh, right.
I share that goal with you.
I want to see Tom Holman succeed.
I want to see millions of illegals deported out of this country because I live in Texas, and those illegals, they slam into me on the roads, man.
They drive with no insurance, no driver's license, and they drive like freaking maniacs.
It's time to get them out.
And drunk.
Totally.
Yeah.
I'm under no illusions about what we're dealing with here.
Yeah, me too.
Me too.
Get them out.
Round them up and get them out, man.
I 100% support that.
The rule of law should count for something.
The good news is that's going to start happening.
This is going to be real interesting.
Tom Homan called me up a few weeks ago, too, and I'll help him out 100%.
Absolutely.
If he's serious, I'll stop what I'm doing.
I'll laser in and help him as much as possible.
All right.
All right, Michael, stand by.
Don't disconnect, but I've got to cut it off right here.
So, folks, I hope you enjoyed this interview with Michael Yan.
Follow him at michaelyan.substack.com and consider a donation to help support his efforts.
I'm Mike Adams of brighteon.com, and you can follow my work at naturalnews.com as well as other interviews and podcasts at brighteon.com.
Thank you all for listening.
Pray for you all, and God bless America.
Take care.
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