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Jan. 15, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dane Wigington with FINAL EARTH WARNING – It’s not just the fires…
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Welcome, everyone, to this emergency interview with Dane Wigington from geoengineeringwatch.org.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com, the health ranger, publisher of naturalnews.com, and Dane Wigington is the world expert on climate engineering, geoengineering, weather control technologies, and over the last just...
Year or two, especially with the crazy storms in North Carolina, and now what's happening in California, I believe that many, many people, maybe even a majority, are now realizing that weather control technology is not a crazy theory.
It's a very real thing, and it is being weaponized and deployed against us, we the people.
And no one knows that better than our guest today, Dane Wigington.
Welcome, Dane.
It's always an honor to have you on.
I consider you a great friend and a champion for humanity.
Welcome to the show.
Feeling is mutual, Mike, and thank you for your voice over all these years to address so many dire issues, and this one's certainly coming to a head, and you've been very instrumental in helping that to happen, so thank you for that.
Well, look, I really honor your work.
I think that if human civilization is to survive, that...
The world needs to listen to your voice urgently.
The biosphere is in danger.
But let's start with something really practical.
These California fires, most people are not buying the official narratives.
This looks like conditions were engineered in order to allow this to happen.
But give us your take on not just the start of the fires, but then...
What are the inputs that are allowing these fires to spread and cause so much damage to the point where estimates are now from a quarter of a trillion dollars to half a trillion dollars of economic damage in California?
What's your take?
First, for a very long time, actually since 2005 or 2006, the U.S. West Coast, the climate engineering operations were ramped up to a point where they were radically affecting the hydrological cycle here.
And that has, over that time, set the stage for the ever-increasing burndowns.
In the case of LA being Lahainad, it's much, much more than just establishing the conditions.
But you're right to approach it in that manner, because too many people get caught up on the source of ignition.
That can be any one of a thousand different...
Sources or methods, but what is establishing the conditions for these fires to burn with such ferocity?
So when you have a now radically fluctuating hydrological cycle, drought deluge scenarios, when the rain that does fall is toxic, and we know it's toxic because we're testing it, elements like aluminum, barium, strontium, manganese, polymer fibers, surfactants, graphene.
In the case of aluminum, we have peer-reviewed study to prove That aluminum not only kills soil microbiome, aluminum, as I know you know all too well, Mike, and your listeners do too because they follow you, but aluminum being toxic to all life forms, period, so it kills soil microbiome as well.
But we know root systems shut down nutrient uptake when they encounter this toxin.
So they're dying a slow, protracted death.
And let's look at the areas burning right now.
They've had, I think, a quarter of an inch of rain since last May.
Oh, my.
That's crazy.
That is absolutely a direct result of climate intervention operations.
And, Mike, that's exactly the kind of preparation that is talked about in U.S. military documents that we found and located and posted at gongwatch.org that speak of using wildfires as a military weapon to prepare areas to...
Be vulnerable to firestorms.
We know these particles not only killing soil microbiome, but aluminum, as I know you know, is such an effective incendiary aluminum nanoparticles that it's the primary element in demolitions and thermite.
Wow, wait, wait.
So hold on, Dane.
The guest that I just interviewed, Michael Jan, he told me in that interview that he was trained in special forces to use fires as the weapon of choice.
Certainly.
To target areas and destroy infrastructure.
Certainly.
Before we go further on that, for the listeners, and I'll follow you in that direction.
For so many people, even the notion that those in power have any ill intent toward populations is just too much for them to gag down.
And that needs to change, because anybody who thinks those in power have our best interest in mind needs to wake the hell up.
Well, especially after COVID. I mean, for God's sake, how many times do they need to try to kill you before you realize what's going on?
Exactly.
Exactly.
And when we have, as I've quoted many times, the statements from former presidential advisor Zigniew Brzezinski from Johnson all the way up to 2017, that he stated, quote-unquote, on the record, with today's technology, it's far easier to kill a million people than to control them.
So, again, for anyone at this point with all the data that's available to us to think that those in power, those who print the money, those who are truly controlling the strings here, that they give a damn about any of us.
We're not just expendable to those in power, especially the U.S. population, many of whom are heavily armed.
We're not just expendable to those who actually control the levers of power.
We are a rapidly increasing liability to them.
So thus, with that in mind, the preparations for what just...
And it's ongoing in LA, not just the drying out of the entire region, not just the coating of that entire region for how many months?
I mean, the better part of a year, coating those regions with a dust, literally an incendiary dust.
And now the winds, and that's very key.
Many people are programmed to believe that nothing man can do could possibly affect surface wind flows.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
From just what people can see with their own eyes, let's pretend for a minute that what we see in our skies is just condensation.
And I mean, let's really pretend, because it's not.
It's a particulate dispersion.
We have film footage of it happening, nozzles visible turning on and off.
As you know, we've taken aircraft altitude, top testing aircraft.
This is a particulate dispersion, but let's just pretend it's condensation that's covering the entire horizon.
That radically affects surface wind flows because you affect convection.
But now let's carry it to what is actually reality.
These are electrically conductive particulates, and when you ionize the atmosphere, you make those particulates much more susceptible to manipulation with frequency transmissions, not just from weapons of mass destruction like HAARP in Alaska, but from ground-based networks like the NEXRAD network.
So you can literally create atmospheric pressure zones, And when you create opposing pressure zones, the atmosphere wants to balance that out.
So there's going to be a surface wind flow.
And in this type of manner, they can and absolutely are creating surface wind flows.
And the same is true in Lahaina.
Mike, you remember in Lahaina, you had an extremely, meteorologists call it an extremely anomalous high-pressure zone to the north of Maui, in that case.
And you had an extremely anomalous low-pressure zone to the south, Hurricane Dora, that had an almost record-length track.
So Dora spinning counterclockwise, the high-pressure zone spinning clockwise, and the gradient between those two, behind it was not in the direct wind field of either atmospheric pressure zone, but in the zone between the two, you create a wind tunnel.
Thus, you create a blowtorch, a bellows effect.
And that radically, because you're pumping air into the fire, it radically increases temperatures.
And it's tough to escape.
And I'll leave it with this, Mike.
And even on top of all that, we are definitely seeing structures ignited on the inside before the fires even reach the structure.
Whoa, whoa.
What are you saying?
This is all I'm saying.
That they start fires.
There are lawsuits because of it.
It's not speculation.
Your listeners can look this up.
I was shown in the Carr Fire in Northern California.
You might remember the Carr Fire name.
Did a lot of damage here.
It's where the huge fire in NATO took place.
An affluent neighborhood that burnt to the ground here, an owner tracked me down to show me pictures when they were leaving the neighborhood.
The neighborhood was evacuated.
It was empty.
The Carr Fire had not reached that neighborhood yet.
Neighborhood was empty, and as they were leaving, they spotted in their neighbor's front window flames inside that house.
They took pictures of those flames looking in the front door.
They showed me those pictures.
Now, again, I have an electrical background.
I work for Bechtel Power, the world's largest engineering firm.
My home was on the cover of the world's largest renewable energy magazine.
I mean, I do have a background here.
And smart meters can absolutely positively ignite a fire, whether intentionally or otherwise.
And as an example for this, Mike, let's consider how many pagers and cell phones were remotely detonated, killing how many people in the Middle East?
Yeah, well, thousands.
I mean, injuring thousands.
Yes, so they can do that.
Anybody who thinks that they can't use a much larger and more capable...
Instrument like a smart meter to ignite a fire?
Of course it's possible.
And all they would need to do, if you had a fire progressing through, for example, Pacific Palisades, all that would need to happen is a few strategic ignitions in homes.
And I've seen pictures of homes there with flames coming out the windows and no fire anywhere in the perimeter.
Something's wrong here.
And all they would need is a few strategic ignitions.
To carry that 100-mile-an-hour blowtorch through the entire region, and even if only 1 out of 10 actually functioned and caused a detonation, which takes time for a slow burn like that.
They would need a very small success rate of the individual ignitions to actually accomplish the overall objective.
So I'm saying there's a lot of things wrong here.
There's nothing natural about this.
And there are things that are very scientifically provable.
This is not speculation.
And all of this, in order for anybody to...
Even begin to digest this.
It's imperative to remember those in power know they can no longer maintain the current paradigm.
They're trying to not only thin the herd, as you know, with COVID, but they're trying to disrupt the herd's capability and life and functionality.
And this is all part of the same puzzle.
Now, it seems to me like the ignition of these fires...
There are going to be ignition sources all the time, right?
There are always sparks because there's power lines and everything.
Trees fall in power lines.
So the ignition is not really my concern unless it's arson.
If it's intentional, well, that's different.
And it appears that some of these are intentional.
But it's the political leaders of California that created the conditions.
And some would say through incompetence.
I say sabotage, but I'd like your take on that.
For example, you know, planning to not have water pressure in the fire hydrants, right?
That actually takes planning.
Or planning to divert rainfall to the ocean so that you don't have in the reservoirs.
Seems to me that there had to be a tremendous amount of deliberate planning to make sure that the fires could not be addressed in an efficient manner.
Does that resonate with you?
I would agree.
And on that subject, certainly it would involve the knowledge and consent of local officials.
And Gavin Newsom is absolutely a tool for the powers that shouldn't be, period.
As I've mentioned on our exchanges before, I had about a 45-minute presentation I gave to Gavin in his office of the Capitol and his top aides, and he certainly knows this is going on.
Pretended to care at the time, but obviously...
His job is to cover this issue up, not to expose it.
So when there's that kind of infrastructure issue, yes, I would agree.
That's more local government at the direction, I would argue, of overlying power entities here.
But in regard to the cutting off of precipitation, although Gavin certainly knows that's going on, those orchestrating that, that's above his pay grade.
So we're dealing with those behind the curtain.
And again, for anyone who thinks that the occupant of the White House is in control of anything, whatever their political stripe is, I would suggest a reality check.
Because the last occupant of the White House to really draw a line in the sand with those in power in his speech a week before he died, it made that very clear.
I mean, it was a very profound speech, and they immediately took him out of the equation.
You know, and I'm glad you mentioned earlier that sometimes people underestimate the level of evil of the government operators.
Because, you know, people like Newsom, they're fakers.
They pretend to be good people.
Behind the scenes, you know, they're demons.
They're horrible.
But I saw a map that is just shocking to me that these fires happened to almost perfectly overlay the planned high-speed rail.
Where they need to put high-speed rail through parts of California.
And I'm not saying that that's the reason here, but it's an eerie coincidence, let's say, that same thing with Hawaii.
It's kind of like, you know, the mayor there was talking with the globalists about, hey, let's have a 15-minute city, which is a globalist project to try to control people, put them in basically a prison camp with no cars.
But in order to create a 15-minute city, they have to burn down what's there already, and there you go.
There goes Lahaina.
I mean, am I leaping too far on that, or is there an element of truth, or what do you think?
Yes.
Yes, no.
We're on the same page.
First, let me back up on the – thank you for bringing it up, too – on people's gross underestimation of the degree of evil we're dealing with here.
It is incredibly difficult to even begin to comprehend.
The depravity of those in power.
And again, I stress that it's not just for them populations are expendable.
They are a rapidly increasing liability, period.
On the agendas and objectives, and there are many, and you named a few, and I'm with you on that.
Although those agendas and objectives do exist, and at some level for some in the chain of power, That may be a part of this equation.
Ultimately, on the current course, no one gets out alive.
And that's not a conjecture.
That's a mathematical, statistical certainty if we remain in the current course.
And so, again, an example I would give, Mike, for those carrying out the types of agendas and objectives you mentioned, it's like the pirates on the deck of a sinking ship filling their pockets with loot.
Not going to be much good for them.
No.
No, that's the thing.
I mean, we either make a decision to have a sustainable human civilization here, or we all die.
And moving towards sustainability means we have to throw off these suicide cultists who are governors and mayors and sometimes presidents and sometimes high-level officials.
I mean, they really are suicide cultists.
It's like we're living under a suicide cult.
Where in years past, they would say, here, drink Kool-Aid.
Now they're like, don't speak out while we burn down your cities.
It seems really insane to me.
What is insane?
Literally.
And as I've mentioned before, based on psychoanalysis of the type of individuals you're describing, they have a common trait.
And that trait, based again on psychoanalysis, is a...
Near total lack of comprehension as to the consequences of their actions, even to themselves.
So you're correct.
A suicide cult is correct.
But we have the problem of the vast majority of society that is either actively or passively participating in the insanity.
People that don't want to disrupt their personal paradigm, they don't want to be ridiculed or ostracized from family and friends by acknowledging the truth.
So let's all just pretend the Emperor has no close moment.
I mean, at what point do we acknowledge it?
When you can do what they're doing in our skies and people going about their life completely oblivious, when skies look like literally something from a Vin Diesel sci-fi movie and nobody notices, that's scary to me.
I mean, we're caught between a clinically insane power structure, as you so correctly described, and a population that's hopelessly out to lunch.
At this point, that has to change.
Yeah, you're right.
But, you know, that's...
What's the syndrome called where the prisoners become enamored with their captors?
Stockholm syndrome, isn't it?
Stockholm syndrome, yeah.
Yep.
Right?
Yep.
That's right.
So that's a psychological phenomenon under which many humans are suffering right now.
So correct.
Yeah.
Perfect analogy.
Perfect analogy.
Well, go ahead.
You want to...
No, I just wanted to acknowledge that you hit that one right in the head.
Continue.
Okay, so we're being held hostage by insane, power-hungry, greedy tyrants who have short-term goals, but not long-term goals of human sustainability.
They weaponize everything.
They weaponize big tech.
They're going to weaponize AI. They're weaponizing weather.
They weaponize the monetary system, the banking system, everything.
The news, right?
Everything.
They weaponize medicine, pandemics.
You name it, in order to harm people.
And half the people being harmed are still worshipping their captors or voting for them in some cases.
But censorship makes it difficult for people to break out of that, which is all by design.
I mean, that's why your voice is so important, Dane, what you're doing.
And yours.
And I'm with you on every single point you just made.
And that was a really...
Essential analogy.
And there's, again, of course, to rephrase it, those who cannot or will not face what we've just outlined because they convince themselves that, quote, they, those in power, those who print the money, because that's where all roads to power lead to.
Those who print money with no basis to it out of thin air control militaries.
So for many people, and I know you must have heard this before many times, as I have, Mike, that, well, they wouldn't do this to themselves.
They already have, and they continue to.
And as we've mentioned before, the 2,400 nuclear detonations has contaminated the entire planet.
They did Project Starfish Prime, Project Fishbowl, the detonation of hydrogen bombs in the magnetosphere, which we're still dealing with the consequences of today, but they did it anyway.
They thought it could collapse the entire atmosphere.
Did that stop them?
No.
We have Fukushima, triple nuclear meltdown, no end in sight, no technology to fix it.
We're building 60 more nuke plants right now.
We have 442 online.
They're putting some dilapidated, formerly decommissioned nuclear power plants back online for just the data processing centers.
You've seen that, I'm sure, Mike.
I mean, that's how desperate they are.
So we're not dealing with sanity.
And yes, they would do this to themselves.
They already have.
Well, okay, let me bring in something.
Really shocking here that you are really eminently qualified to speak about.
I recently interviewed the Google whistleblower, Zach Voorhees, and he and I are both really on the cutting edge of AI research and building AI systems for humanity, decentralized systems.
And what came out of that interview is a realization that the governments of the world that are in the race for AI dominance, they are now beginning to see that There's so much power requirements for AI data centers.
And this is a death match of whoever gets superintelligence first will dominate the world.
And if you come in second place, your nation is obliterated.
So there's a desperation to redirect all power now into AI. And these governments, like the United States, are beginning to see Consumers power consumption as a threat to national security.
So any human being that uses air conditioning or heat or whatever is increasingly, you're going to see this more over the next couple of years, increasingly seen as a threat to the very existence of the country because of the dynamic I just mentioned.
That is...
Yeah, go ahead.
No, I fully agree.
Keep going.
I want your take on that, like what that means when your own government sees you using kilowatt hours as a threat to the government's existence.
And they see us in many other senses as a threat to their existence as well in many other circumstances.
If we look at, let's go back to climate engineering and weave that into this.
So in the case of competition between power centers globally, Climate engineering is extraordinarily detrimental to all three primary forms of alternative energy, wind, hydro, and solar.
So they are literally cutting off precipitation to regions that depend on hydropower that now have no power.
Right.
In regard to wind, what we see now, because as we discussed earlier, geoengineering absolutely has a very profound impact on surface wind flows.
So now what we see globally...
Is all or nothing wind scenarios.
It's either hurricane force winds or nothing.
I mean, of course, there's some in between, but as a whole, it's much more all or nothing.
So in the case of a wind turbine, if you double the optimal wind speed, you get nothing out of that turbine because you have to shut it down or it will blow apart.
That's right.
If you cut the wind speed in half, you make one-eighth the design output rating.
In the case of solar, how obvious is that?
When solar radiation management means put toxic light scattering particles into the atmosphere to block the sun, that's what got me into this fight to begin with, Mike.
As you know, I spent my life trying to get out of smoggy, filthy Southern California skies and got here, completed my wilderness off-grid home, and immediately was losing 50% or more of my solar uptake from whatever these aircraft were emitting.
I knew that couldn't be just, quote, condensation.
That's what got me into this battle.
Power installations that are producing half their design output because direct sunlight is being blocked from climate engineering.
So they can control that spigot as well, not just the rain, but how much sun and how toxic that rain is.
And then back to the power centers, they can control, even within nation states, how much power they can or can't make.
So we're dealing with a very multi-front battle here.
Okay, so let me bring this in.
As proof of the hunger for energy at the data centers for AI, Microsoft has contracted with none other than the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania, okay?
Of course, famous for a relatively small leak of some radioactive water, I think back in the 70s, perhaps.
But this so so we are told by our governments that nuclear power is too dangerous to build for us to use, even though.
Even though nuclear power emits no CO2, the waste product is very dense and very small compared to most other sources.
And nuclear power can be scaled on demand, unlike wind and solar, which depend on external factors.
But we're told we can't really have nuclear power.
Microsoft can have nuclear power.
They did a 20-year contract to purchase essentially all the output.
Let's see.
835 megawatts of power equivalent to 800,000 households.
Dane, my God, this is going to go into the data centers to build AI so that America can try to win the AI superintelligence race and defeat China while the rest of us are going to be put on Kilowatt hours budgets that make us live in poverty, essentially.
With you on all points, I read the same report.
People don't understand how much power it takes to operate these data centers.
I think data indicates a smaller data center, 20 megawatts, all the way up to a large data center, 100 megawatts, or even 250 megawatts or more.
to run one of these things.
And again, this is a race to self-extermination on so many fronts.
So many fronts.
And so many people still, again, as the term you brought up was exactly on target, Stockholm Syndrome.
And it seems that many are so far comfortable believing that as they're on the front of the sinking ship while the back is underwater and they're convincing themselves that half of the ship isn't going to sink.
Good luck with that.
And before we go on, let me just ask you to give out your web address, your social media accounts, channels, anything where people can find you and support you.
Geoengineeringwatch.org is our website.
We're the largest in the world in this subject.
I think we're at about 50 million visitors and counting.
And we're also on Twitter.
We have a Rumble channel.
YouTube is GeoInjuringWatch channel and Dane Wiginton channel.
All this can be found on our site.
I'm sorry, on our exact Twitter designation, I don't run those accounts, so I don't have that hand.
But we are on Twitter as well.
And we are diversifying to Rumble and on other channels as well, Mike.
So I'm so caught up with...
A lot of the research and dissemination, and I apologize I'm not at the center of all our channel running, but we are on AM and FM radio stations too.
We've been as many as 28 stations at once across the country that we pay for out of pocket.
No commercials, no politics, and we're trying in every way we can to sound the alarm to the non-choir.
And Mike, we took a lot of these radio stations.
We secured them near military bases.
We have billboards up.
We have billboards up near military bases.
They have to look at them every day they drive into the base.
That's great.
That's great.
So we're trying, brother.
We're trying.
Okay, so let me ask you then, in terms of solutions, let me set the context.
And I don't know what your answer is going to be.
Whatever it is, it's fine.
But we know that to produce food takes energy.
To have affordable food takes affordable energy.
We know that for an economy to thrive, it takes affordable, abundant energy.
You are well informed on all the different sources of energy.
If you were to be a policy advisor to incoming President Trump on what America should do in terms of its long-term sustainable energy supplies, what would you recommend?
I would have to divert to whatever we do or don't do.
If we are unable to stop what's happening in our skies at this point, nothing else will matter.
And when I say that, I'm not referring to centuries from now or decades from now.
We are on an unimaginably short timeline at this point.
And you're correct about the amount of energy needed to sustain the current paradigm.
I don't argue that at all.
And what I'm trying to point out is that the complexity and energy intensity of the current paradigm is such that once it can't go forward, it will free fall backward.
And we are so close to that impact point right now.
The biggest hole in the bottom of the boat, short of nuclear exchanges, nuclear war.
And again, that's another sign of the insanity of those in power.
I mean, we have enough weapons to exterminate humanity several thousand times over and we're building more.
How much sense does that make?
But aside from that happening, and by the way, Mike, I think we've talked about this, but you have some circles in Washington openly discussing what they see as the, quote, benefit of a limited nuclear exchange.
To put enough particulate matter in the air to curb the thermal energy buildup on the planet.
If that happens, if any nuclear exchange happens at this point with our already radically depleted ozone layer, we're down, by the way, to about 30% remaining, not 30% gone, 30% remaining climate engineering single biggest factor there.
Not a hairspray can, climate engineering.
So if any nuclear exchange happens, the ionizing radiation will strip away what's left of the ozone layer.
Game over.
And we're done.
We're done.
No food.
And we're already looking at plankton mortality, which we've talked about.
No plankton, no people.
Single largest oxygen producer on the planet.
We know from studying the Atlantic, from 500 locations, plankton populations have plummeted 90%.
90% decline.
We are through the guardrail.
Can I offer this and maybe nudge you into answering?
I would suggest that we've lived under the suppression of a lot of energy technologies, such as cold fusion, low-energy nuclear reactions.
It's time to end that suppression because it's decentralized, cheap, clean fuel.
Also, micro-fusion reactors that can power neighborhoods or that can power factories that don't emit mercury or anything like that.
As much as I believe we need diesel to power tractors and barges and trains and things like that, but the oil industry has clearly been working to suppress other competing technologies, and it's time to end that suppression.
What do you think about that?
Well, certainly, there are technologies.
I mean, I've lived off the grid for 24 years.
We've done well, but these are not, quote, renewable technologies either.
And that's something that many don't yet understand, even whether it be a solar panel.
The closest thing we have is hydro to that.
I'm on hydro as well, when they let it rain here.
So I have a hydro turbine that's about the size of a car alternator.
That's a kilometer away from my house.
I live on top of a mountain.
It's a kilometer away down the bottom of the canyon.
That little car alternator-sized turbine runs our entire house.
Wow!
Really?
That's amazing.
Well, water has a lot of energy when it's moving, right?
It does.
But not many locations that you can really...
It's kind of a sophisticated system.
So it's not realistic for many people to be on that kind of a system.
It's a specialized location and so forth.
And other than that, solar panels, limited lifespan, wind turbines, in many cases, just a disaster.
I mean, there's nothing renewable about a 900-foot-tall wind turbine in the long-term since.
So what I would try to point out and what I'm focused on right now is if we don't deal with this, again, biggest hole in the bottom of the boat, nothing else matters.
Climate engineering operations, again, contaminating every breath we take, facilitating things like the incinerations in LA, Lahaina, Canada two years ago.
We have disasters happening all over the globe, and we see none of that, Mike, do we?
We see none of it.
We see political theater every day, theater on Matrix Media.
People have no idea how catastrophic.
Conditions are around the globe.
About 36 plus countries right now descending into chaos.
There's no food on the shelf.
And climate engineering, if it sterilizes our soils, and I know that's your background or your arena, it is literally sterilizing soils here in the formerly lush forests of Northern California, Mike.
There is no soil decomposition.
None.
All the duff is just building up on the forest floor because it's not decomposing.
And this is what, when you hear these guys talk about fires and what's not being done and why they're burning, they omit everything that's core to the equation.
When they talk about trees dying, Mike, you've heard them mention beetles, right?
It's just the beetles, right?
Yeah, I've heard that, but clearly that's a cover story, yeah.
It's a symptom.
Beetles are simply a symptom.
Of a sick, dead, dying tree, dead, dying forest.
And what's the core causal factor with that symptom?
It's climate engineering.
Because even if with increasing or changing atmospheric chemistry, if we had uncontaminated precipitation, there are many regions that would actually try to uptake that.
The planet would try to respond.
It would have the ability to respond.
Climate engineering has taken away...
The planet's ability to respond to other sources of damage.
If we don't change that, game over.
Okay.
All right.
This is really critical.
We are living under governments, national governments, federal and state here in the U.S. that are denying that this is a problem, right?
I mean, they're contributing.
They're creating the problem.
We also have, along with this day and then, an attack on farms and food.
This is happening in Western Europe.
It's happening in the Netherlands.
This is happening in Ireland.
And across the United States, all these direct and indirect attacks on food and farms.
What is your take on why do our governments want us to not have food?
Because we're a liability to them.
We're rapidly increasing liability to them.
Again, let's go back to Lyndon Johnson.
Our weekly, commercial-free, non-political, global alert news update.
I've just completed 492 weeks in a row.
Never missed one.
That goes out in the airways, too, AM and FM. But the first 30 seconds, I know you're very familiar with this, Mike, but Lyndon Johnson, 1962. He who controls the weather controls the world because he who controls the weather.
It controls food supplies, thus controls populations, thus controls the world.
So in the case of the farmers, we hope that they will understand that this covert weapon of war, climate engineering, is the single greatest threat they face.
And even though other tools are used, Mike, for example, CARB, you know CARB is California Air Resources Board, right?
Yep.
In California, have you heard that term, CARB? I've heard it.
Yep.
So I spoke in front of CARB that were making the farmers, Mike, they were making farmers change the engines in their vehicles because of the particulate matter it releases.
So in that auditorium, as I presented to the CARB board and the farmers, I first made the CARB board admit, and they did admit it, that they're ignoring a source of particulate contamination, climate engineering.
That's emitting mathematically perhaps 100,000 times more toxic particles than the farmer's engines.
But CARB admitted they don't care.
That's not in their jurisdiction.
And then I pointed out to the farmers that you're being scapegoated, as you're correctly stating, Mike, that they're being scapegoated for what particulate matter their machines emit.
Again, just that they're...
A red herring.
They're trying to simply hang that burden on the farmers when that means nothing compared to the overlying issue of climate engineering.
But the farmers didn't seem to react from that, and that needs to change.
They need to consider that what's happening in our sky is not only sterilizing their fields, not only cutting off precipitation, they're being made to change their equipment, which they can't afford to do.
So that's all part of that attack, is it not?
Well, yeah, it is.
And it reminds me that farming is so heavily controlled and centralized right now.
And corporate farming and the financial, the loans to farmers, the banks run so much of it right now.
And until we have more decentralized food production, how can farmers even be empowered to make their own decisions about what they do, right?
The farmers are also victims in all of this.
Oh, they are, certainly.
I agree.
I hope that they...
Let me give this example.
If your head's on fire, you have to ignore your skin knee and your stubbed toe.
That's where we're at.
For the farmers and all the rest of us, if we don't deal with what's happening in our skies, again, no other cause, no other concern has any meaning.
Nothing.
And mathematically and statistically, We are on an unimaginably short time horizon, and those in power, Mike, let's weave this right back into what's happening in L.A. right now, that as they realize the population is close to waking up to the fact that the party's over, the party really is over at that point, and the power structure becomes more desperate and dangerous than ever before, and I would argue we're seeing that in L.A. right now.
Yeah, exactly.
So what is California's future?
If this doesn't get turned around right now, where does this go?
It goes the same place as the rest of the world goes.
The whole ship goes.
Again, we're back to anybody anywhere that thinks that they're immune from what's coming.
Good luck with that.
You're in the part of the ship that maybe isn't underwater quite yet, but it's coming.
And we're all going to end up on the same road that Haiti's on.
You see what's happening in Haiti.
We don't hear about anything of these anymore.
There's always something to distract from.
The events that are being manipulated around the globe, and even as we're still in the LA Fire scenario, and even on Matrix Media now, they're starting to transition back to political theater as of this morning.
I mean, this disaster is still in its zenith, and they're already starting to change the subject again.
So people need to wake the hell up fast because we're about out of time.
Supply chain dominoes start to fall, Mike.
It's going to be Mad Max on steroids, and we're close to that.
And what I would argue is this, because I know this is all very hard to try to face or assimilate, and I would argue this from a philosophical standpoint, from a faith standpoint, if we're on the narrow road, if we're doing our best to do our best, to make a difference, exercising our will correctly, honorably, virtuously, then we're on the right path, period.
And however that story ends, it ends well.
But if we all utilize that type of moral fortitude, unyielding to the darkness, and we stand together, we could yet affect profound change even at this late hour.
All right, Dane, there are...
Throughout history, there are multiple civilizations that have collapsed because of ecological collapse, right?
Anasazi Indians, I think, in the southwest of the modern-day United States.
Easter Island, I think, is a well-known example.
There are other examples all over the world.
Is it possible that our Western civilization just flat-out will destroy itself if we don't change course?
It's not just possible.
It is imminent.
It's imminent right now on this course.
It's a given.
So I realize that doesn't fit into most people's reality and not just Western civilization, the planet as a whole.
And those in power are starting to play their cards.
That's what I've said at Geoengineering Watch for 15 plus years.
16 now, I believe, that as the severity and immediacy became impossible to hide.
They would play big cards, ever bigger cards, and they indeed are.
And COVID was one of those, certainly.
And we're facing the bird flu scenario now, and they're programming people to accept that as just some natural consequence of nature, which it's anything but, as you know.
But at any given moment, since we have polymer fibers and graphene in the rain, and we do, our lab tests prove that.
Both of those biological carrier platforms for biological warfare carry a pathogen from the clouds to the ground.
They're in our rain now, right now.
Why would we think they're not going to put something much more lethal in this mix when they feel they're losing control and populations are waking up?
Certainly they will.
We can wake up enough, and those that are needed to participate in this insanity, just following orders, our military brothers and sisters, we can wake up them and their families, defense contractor employee families, so that the mechanism for the matrix no longer functions.
We have a chance of altering.
I don't mean our problems are over and we all live happily ever after and take Caribbean cruises every year, but I mean we could salvage some part of the planet's life support systems and eliminate the seats of power that are currently propelling us toward certain near-term planetary omnicide.
Wow, planetary omnicide.
That's a strong term.
You're talking about, I mean, are you saying...
The whole planet or just the northern hemisphere?
What's the real scope of the risk here?
There's one boat and we're all passengers on it.
So if we look at all the main foundational factors of the planet's life support systems, the oceans.
The oceans are hurtling toward what's known as Canfield Ocean.
That's a lifeless, superheated, stratified, oxygenless dead zone.
500 plus dead zones right now around the planet.
Global plegic fish populations, food fish, down 90%.
Right now.
We have crops collapsing around the globe, and I know you know a lot about that.
You see that happening.
Russia just lost half its wheat crop.
Morocco lost over half all their staple grain crops.
And this is just, those are two little snapshots of the rest of the world.
The dominoes are falling, and people can't grow gardens, Mike.
We hear from them from all over the globe.
Gardens aren't growing.
Intense UV is shutting the stomata.
On the plants, that's the respiratory ports.
That's why forests don't smell like forest.
Atmospheric RH has changed.
Radical UV radiation, they're studying their stomata.
They don't breathe.
They don't absorb carbon.
They don't release oxygen.
Soils are sterilized.
So it's pretty hard to be independent when you can't even grow a garden on your own plot.
And when 500-year-old trees that surround me here are dying by the day, we're in a very dark place right now, and you can't just turn off the momentum behind what's happening.
So what I would argue is we all need to...
We prioritize yesterday and focus on stopping the single greatest threat, which is what's happening in our skies, the threat which they could level the playing field on any given day if they choose to.
If we can do that, we can focus on other factors at that point.
Okay, Dane, deeper meta question.
Why would human beings destroy the only planet we have, the planet on which Those very same people depend and their families depend.
And I guess part of the question is, is there something beyond human influences that is playing a role here?
It's a big universe, Mike, and I certainly don't think that we're alone in it.
But I see nothing in all this 20-plus years of nonstop.
And I mean nonstop.
I've never left my post for 20-plus years, never been on vacation anywhere, done anything.
Stay at my post and sound the alarm.
But I see nothing that I can't attribute to humans behaving very, very poorly.
And I would equate it to a cancer, as I've done in the past.
Does a cancer intend to kill its host?
No.
A cancer intends to proliferate unchecked.
The host inevitably eventually dies.
And we're dealing with a cancer.
And so many individual cancer cells, people just...
Following orders or just pursuing their own personal pleasures, and they don't want to be bothered with what's happening in the larger picture.
That's all, in one form or another, a cancer cell in this larger picture.
If we are to take the narrow road, we have to understand we're here for a reason.
It's not an accident of fate.
We're here for a reason, to make a difference for the better.
And there's nothing more gratifying or nothing that produces more solace than that.
The knowing when you take your last breath, you're going to be found at your post doing what your maker would want you to do.
And I intend to do everything in my power to be at my post till my last breath.
Okay, let me bring in, are you familiar with the researcher John Calhoun and his mouse utopia experiment?
Very vaguely.
Okay, let me...
Let me bring in the description from an AI summarizer.
So this was called the Universe 25 experiment.
It aimed to create a utopian environment for mice with abundant food and water.
So they were given a pretty big physical environment with lots of nesting place.
Again, unlimited food and water.
They never had to hide from predators or find food.
Everything was available for them.
Despite these favorable conditions, the population experienced societal collapse due to overcrowding, violence, abnormal behaviors, neglect of offspring became prevalent, like mothers would abandon their baby mice.
There was actually, there was transgenderism in the mice began to emerge as well.
Eventually the mice were unable to form normal social bonds.
They could not engage in courtship or pup rearing.
The population declined sharply.
And by the 21st month, essentially there were no survivors.
By the 25th month, the population crashed to zero.
That's a famous experiment.
It's called the Mouse Utopia Experiment.
Isn't that wild?
It is.
It is.
And I think...
In the case of Easter Island, we have a small snapshot of that too.
And for the record, official sources are trying to change the narrative on what happened in Easter Island now.
Isn't that interesting?
Because they don't want people looking at that parallel of planet Earth right now.
Did they not know that cutting down all their trees would mean their own demise?
Did they not know that?
16 million palm trees on that island, their primary food source, and they're cutting them down for rollers to build idols?
Yes.
Roll their statues around.
I mean, is that not a snapshot of where we're at right now?
That's actually a great...
Yeah.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
You're right.
Your example is exactly the same, too, on the level of mice and men.
What's the difference?
You know, behaving like a cancer and not apparently able to see the looming tidal wave of self-annihilation over their heads until it hits.
It's profound.
I ponder this every single day, Mike.
I walk through my dying forest and...
And contemplate it.
And it's just, I sometimes feel like I landed on the wrong planet.
But that example is also excellent.
But I would argue again that we are only responsible for the correct use of our own will.
And no matter what anybody else is doing or not doing, if we're exercising our own will correctly, virtuously, honorably, morally.
And we are doing our best to do our best, regardless of our individual circumstances.
All of us are in different circumstances and capable of doing various degrees of alarm warnings and bringing truth to light.
But none of us are in a position to do nothing.
None of us.
All of us can do something, and if we all stand in that course together, we could still affect change at this late hour.
Well, that brings me to the conclusion of our interview here, which is to ask you exactly that.
What are the takeaways, the action items, or maybe the mindset that people need to take away from this in order to not just survive themselves and navigate this, but how do we affect change so that human civilization has a chance to survive?
Again, you focus on what's in your control and not what isn't.
And I'll finish that thought.
I just want to mention to you that mouse utopia experiment debunked.
So I'm not saying I don't believe in everything.
What you stated is exactly right.
What I'm stating is whenever people see this and see the logical parallel, as you just pointed out, someone in power somewhere will try to cast doubt.
Right?
True.
Like Easter Island, just like this.
So the example is an exceptional example, and thank you for bringing it up, and people should understand the parallels.
What we can do, again, if any one of us is...
At the end of the Dimming documentary, the editor who has remained anonymous on that, he stated to the world what I wanted to say so profoundly.
And any one of us...
Oh, there go my dogs.
I'm so sorry.
I'm sorry if you can hear them howling.
No, that's fine.
I don't hear them.
Okay, good.
We have some big Dobies up here in the woods, and they are very dear souls.
If people were so kind and benevolent, we would have a different world.
But at the end of the dimming...
What I tried to say was any one of us, and this is so profoundly true, any one of us could be the final pebble that triggers the landslide of awakening.
We should never underestimate the difference we can make if we simply try.
And something out there, and I don't pretend to know what did all this, and I don't believe it happened by itself.
I can't accept that.
And I don't accept that.
So whatever could do this, could do whatever it wants.
Whatever creator, great spirit.
I have a Native American lineage in Choctaw.
And if we simply do our part...
We don't know how far that ripple will go out.
If we throw that pebble in the pond of trying to make a difference, how far will that ripple go out and what else will it affect?
If we all do that, Mike, and if we could force this issue to light, because you can't put this issue in the rearview mirror, can you?
You can put COVID in the rearview mirror.
You can put 9-11 in the rearview mirror and a lot of other things, but you can't put this issue in the rearview mirror because it's getting bigger and more ominous in front of the windshield every single day, doing more harm every single day.
if we could push this to light, fully expose it, reach a critical mass of awareness, it would bring so much to the surface with it, including things like the CB19 scenario, we could perhaps alter this course, overturn the current paradigm, salvage some part of the planet's remaining life support systems, and try to figure out why the salvage some part of the planet's remaining life support systems, and try to figure out why the hell it Wow.
Is it possible that all of that you just said has already happened, and we are the generation of survivors from...
A different collapsed civilization?
There's a lot I can't know, but I can say that mathematically, statistically, if we stay on this course, it is unlikely that anything will follow this military-industrial complex that we have known.
We are headed toward what's called Venus Syndrome, and that's not a metaphor.
Planetary feedback loops right now.
Climate engineering, a key part of that, not the only part.
We've been bad stewards of the planet.
I don't think anybody can argue that.
But we have about 50 feedback loops.
And let me give an example of one primary one.
So as climate engineering is trapping more heat than it deflects, now we have mass methane expulsion, not cow flatulence as people have been trained to.
It's a divisive.
The issue they bring up is if that's our biggest problem is cow flatulence, and that's just, again, designed to polarize people and turn them off.
Cutting down forests to raise a cow is a problem.
That's not a good idea, okay?
That's destructive.
But the methane is not just coming from leaking refineries and so forth, but the methane expulsions and climate engineering, again, trying to mask...
What's happening in the Arctic, they're making the situation worse, not better.
And I encourage your listeners to search Siberian methane craters, look at those craters, and understand that's methane exploding into the atmosphere.
That's a feedback loop.
The more methane that explodes, covers the planet like a layer of glass, trapping more heat than it deflects.
Again, climate engineering making that situation worse, not better.
And that causes even more methane to release.
That's what the Bermuda Triangle situation has been for decades.
It's seafloor methane releasing.
So that's a feedback loop.
Once you trigger it, it feeds on itself.
There's about 50 of those in play.
So if we stay on this course, we are in for changes few can imagine.
And I don't mean, again, decades away.
This year, we're going to see some very profound things.
And Mike, I forgot to mention.
I'll leave it at this.
I'm sorry to ramble.
Chemical ice nucleation.
They are chemically cooling.
The U.S. to a degree that we have never yet before seen.
We're testing the precipitation.
We're not guessing.
And that's how it can go from 70 or 80 degrees to ice and snow in a day.
Chemical ice nucleation.
Wow.
Wow.
Yeah, just one more weather control technology in addition to ionization and all the other things.
And I just want to say, too, wrapping this up, the things that you've talked about over the years are all reflected in the U.S. patent office.
So anybody who says, like, what's your source?
Well, just...
Go to the patent office.
They're all there.
I mean, everything you've talked about, Dane, is patent.
They are there.
And with the chemical cooldowns, just search Chinese scientist, engineer snowstorm, and you'll find all U.S. Matrix media covered it, Popular Science, Fox News, MSNBC. But if you bring it up here, as if our government...
Suddenly you're marginalized.
And of course our government is doing exactly the same thing.
That's why the snow is so incredibly slick.
It has surfactants in it.
That's why there's massive pileups everywhere when these flurries take place.
And again, temperature swings literally.
In the case of places like Denver, Colorado, 80 degree plus record highs to single digits of snow in less than 24 hours.
Now becoming the norm.
Wow.
All right.
Well, Dane, we'll leave it there for today, and I guess we have to pray for humanity, pray for wisdom to enter the consciousness of people so that we can work together to have a future.
I want to remind people to check out your website, geoengineeringwatch.org, and any other, like, what about the dimming?
What's the website for the dimming documentary?
It's on the homepage of geoengineeringwatch.org, but if they just search the dimming, you have to look somewhere besides...
Google.
Google's doing their best to censor everything geoengineeringwatch.org.
But the dimming documentary available right on our homepage.
And, Mike, I just want to say thank you so much for your voice, for all your work, for the common good in so many arenas, and especially in the arena that I am so wholly focused on, climate engineering.
You've been a monumental help to us.
I thank you, brother.
Thank you so much.
Well, thank you, Dane.
I appreciate you and all of your effort.
And just stand by.
Don't disconnect yet.
Let me wrap this up to our audience.
Thank you for listening today.
This has been another amazing interview here on Brighteon.com.
We also post on Rumble and other platforms.
Of course, I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and I agree with what Dane is saying here and his warnings for humanity.
We either wise up and grow up and set a new course for humanity, or we don't make it.
So, you know, think about what that means.
This is way beyond California fires.
This is like human civilizations burning down metaphorically if we don't solve this.
So, thank you for listening.
God bless you all, and take care, everybody.
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