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Alright, welcome to Brighton Broadcast News for Thursday, December 19th, 2024. I'm Mike Adams, of course.
Thank you for joining me today.
And I hope you caught my hosting of the Alex Jones Show yesterday, hosted for two hours.
It was, I mean...
Look, it was a kick-ass show, I just gotta say, because you'll see, I'm gonna play it for you here today.
I had amazing guests for this show.
Let me just go through the list.
I had Jeffrey Prather for an analysis of the drone situation and the continuity of government attempt, whatever that's gonna be.
I had Jason Fick on about the dismantling of the censorship industrial complex.
Then I had Roger Veer, Bitcoin Jesus, on with Tracy Thurman.
For the second hour, they were joining us from Spain.
Roger Veer, of course, being prosecuted by the United States government under the most ridiculous prosecution ever.
And we played a clip from Attorney Robert Barnes there about that and had a great time, although Roger could not speak because he's censored.
We did get a double thumbs up out of him, though, during the interview.
That was good.
And then for the second half of the second hour, we had Aaron Day.
Aaron Day, super bright guy.
He's one of the builders of decentralized private cryptocurrency infrastructure for e-commerce and various applications to help set humanity free.
And he mentioned a new project he's working on called Karma, although it's spelled in an odd way.
There's a U in it somehow, I'm not sure.
But you'll hear more about it.
Karma, he said, is a gold-backed privacy crypto that he is building on top of the Zeno blockchain, and he wants to show merchants how to deploy this as a way to accept payments that are private and that have no price risk associated with FOMO, you know, fear of missing out price volatility of things like Bitcoin, because his project will be tied to fear of missing out price volatility of things like Bitcoin, because his project will
So it'll be very stable one-to-one and even exchangeable for physical gold.
So that, you may recall, I said like five years ago or whatever it was, that I would love to see a crypto that was really tied to gold, but also was a It could be used by merchants, and out of the blue, Aaron Day appears to be working on a project like that, so I'm going to keep in touch with him, and I'll bring you news when I find out what that is.
He's taking on a big project.
Anyway, so what we're going to do today here is we're going to play those four interviews for you, and I think you'll be fascinated by each one of them.
Now, here's what else is interesting about all this, is that after hosting the Alex Jones show, I then recorded an interview with John Peterson, who is a futurist, the founder of the Arlington Institute.
Now, John Peterson, I've interviewed him once before.
He's a really amazing guy.
We had a conversation that just might qualify as the most intriguing interview of the year.
I mean, seriously, I so much want to play that interview for you today, but I'm going to save it for tomorrow, because today I need to play, you know, all of the Alex Jones Show interviews that we did, because those are really time-sensitive.
But I'm holding in my hands a little thumb drive that Peterson gave me, and he says on this thumb drive, I haven't opened it up yet, he says...
It contains about 3,500 books on PDF or documents that he has curated over the years.
And he's donating these, this collection, to our nonprofit open-source AI language model project.
And so these documents concern UFOs, unexplained phenomena, all kinds of once classified government documents that have been declassified.
I don't know, maybe Operation Northwoods and who knows?
He said, I mean, again, I haven't opened it up, but he said there's all kinds of amazing documents on there.
And he understands the importance of our project that we're pursuing at Brighteon.ai with embedding this hidden human knowledge into language models that are open source.
And, of course, we're releasing our new language model March 1st.
It's called Enoch.
At least that's the current codename.
The final name might be different, but we call it Enoch at the moment in honor of the hidden scripture books and scrolls.
And I think Enoch, thanks to John Peterson from Arlington Institute, Enoch is going to be the model that is the most informed about UFOs and unexplained phenomena.
This is especially relevant given all the weird things that are happening with drones right now.
So anyway, I just want to thank John Peterson.
I think I'll play that interview for you tomorrow, and believe me, you will not want to miss that interview.
We talk about consciousness.
We talk about the shifting paradigm of massive awakening, red-pilling the cosmos.
We talk about AI. We talk about multi-dimensional problem-solving using human intuition.
And the mind being a multidimensional, hyperdimensional quantum machine of sorts, let's say.
We talked about Morphic Resonance.
We talked about the 100th Monkey.
We talked about the future, the breakup of nations, the collapse of the dollar, but also the very bright future for humanity on the other side of that.
So just bottom line, man, it's kind of an interview for the ages.
You do not want to miss it, and we had a great time.
And I did have a stuffed astronaut on the desk during that interview.
I forgot to play with it.
Unfortunately, that stuffed astronaut, the last time we played with it, my dog, Rhodey, ripped its spine out and, well, all the stuffing out of its back, and we had to sew the stuffed astronaut back together again.
And now it looks like a stuffed astronaut with a parachute on its back.
So it's like we had to do stuffed astronaut surgery, thanks to Rhodey.
He doesn't like astronauts for some reason.
I don't know.
Maybe he's a flat earther.
Maybe.
We'll see.
All right, but I'll play that interview for you Friday.
Now, something else came up in the interview with John Peterson.
I'm not going to spill the beans on all of it, but he did say something that is worth mentioning today.
He said that Dr. Stephen Greer, who I suppose you've heard of, I interviewed him once a few years back.
Stephen Greer is sort of the 30-year advocate and researcher and documentary filmmaker.
Involving the topic of disclosure, that is, alien disclosure to human civilization.
Now, Stephen Greer has a new documentary out.
I don't recall the name of it at the moment.
But Greer, he has long held the belief, at least as I understand it, that the aliens are friendly.
And that we, like, they want to, I guess, offer gifts to humanity and free energy tech or whatever.
All kinds of things.
I'm simplifying it and maybe I'm not describing it correctly, but that's my overall understanding.
Now, Stephen Greer is right now saying, and he was just on Newsmax saying this, and he also did interviews on other channels that I happened to catch.
He is saying, and then John Peterson told me this very same thing, but Stephen Greer is saying that in the next 30 days, There will be full disclosure of alien contact, of the existence of extraterrestrials, of the captured crashed craft, of the recovered alien bodies, or whatever.
He says, basically, and I'm paraphrasing, that there are going to be key defectors who are about to step forward within the next 30 days Apparently in the run-up to the Trump administration.
And they're going to go public with all this, and it's going to blow people's minds.
And it's going to, if we make the right choices, it's going to put humanity on a very different but positive path.
A path where, if we don't overreact and try to blow everything up, Where we could achieve abundance and peace and trade and knowledge expansion and all these amazing things that could be made possible by advanced alien technology transfer to humanity.
And this is going to be a whole new paradigm for the human race.
Now, again, I'm not trying to put words in Dr. Greer's mouth.
He's quite capable of explaining in detail his own view.
But that's my summary and my understanding of it.
The only reason I bring this up is because John Peterson mentioned the same thing to me, even mentioned Greer, and then also mentioned Martin Armstrong and Martin's Socrates engine that is also based on cyclical and then also mentioned Martin Armstrong and Martin's Socrates engine that is also based
And it is predicting, at least according to Peterson, it is predicting a giant rug pull on the Western financial system sometime in the next two years or so, give or take.
It'll be the great taking, actually, and it'll be the collapse of the dollar, the collapse of this current structure of government, and then the United States will break apart into five regional nations, he said.
And of course, I found that very interesting because I believe that the collapse of the dollar is actually necessary for human development.
The dollar, this whole system under which we have all suffered, the dollar printing, the tyranny that emerges from monopoly control over the currency, the fact that the government prints money and uses it to pay propagandists to lie to us, things like that.
That whole era apparently is coming to an end, and I welcome it.
And so I just want to say, on the record here, I'm not scheduled to interview Stephen Greer.
I may reach out to him.
But I fully embrace the philosophy that he is espousing that if we are wise in how we react to this information, should it come forth, And we should be wise.
And we need to end this military-industrial complex nonsense.
And we need to understand there's more in the universe than just making profits from bombing people.
Well, if we're wise, we could help set humanity on a whole new path, something beyond our imaginations.
Something where we could reach for the stars, we could be part of truly, I know this sounds like science fiction, but a galactic economy and a galactic ecosystem of technology and knowledge, and there are species that have been around for, you know, a million years longer than us, okay?
Now, are they all going to show up in the next 30 days?
I have no idea.
It would be awesome if it happened.
Like, Merry Christmas!
Hey!
It's not Santa Claus coming down the chimney.
It's the greys.
It's like, what?
What's going on?
I thought you were Santa, you know?
What's on the roof?
It's reindeer.
No, it's the greys, man.
They're tiptoeing across the rooftops.
But, I mean, the whole mythology of Santa Claus is very supernatural anyway, which is kind of funny.
And all the people, all the Christians anyway, they push Santa Claus like it's no big deal.
I think it's more likely to have greys running across your rooftop than flying reindeer.
But nevertheless, we shall wait and see if anybody actually comes forward, if there is any disclosure there.
Which I hope there is.
If there is an awakening, actually I think we're already in part of the awakening, and I think that the public's reaction to this drone psyop that's going on right now is a very mature reaction for the most part.
People are calling the bluff of the government.
It's wonderful to see.
I've been checking out a bunch of videos all over YouTube and other places, and every single person says the government's lying to us.
Yes, but you wouldn't have heard that five years ago.
But post-COVID, hey, all the people still living realize the government lied to them, and the ones who never figured it out are mostly dead.
So there you go.
It is kind of an IQ test of whether you're, you know, wise enough to say no to more jabs and more lockdowns and more masks and more BS and more virology and more pandemics and be afraid, be afraid, yeah!
You know, at some point, just like, no.
We're not buying your BS. We don't consent to your fear campaign.
We're not going to live as your little work slaves under your little financial confiscation system.
No.
We're going to exit that system.
We're going to use, you know, decentralized finance.
We're going to use crypto.
We're going to buy gold, whatever.
We're going to use alternative knowledge sources, alternative media.
We're going to do things that set us free.
We're no longer going to be your little deep state bitches and prostitutes and slaves, okay?
That's the point where humanity has arrived at right now, or grammatically.
That is the point at which humanity has arrived.
How about that?
Correcting myself.
And it took a lot of suffering for humanity to get to this point.
But there have been so many red pill events in the last four years that people are practically choking on the red pills now.
It's like, can you choke them all down?
Because every week there's another red pill.
It's like, oh my God!
You know, the Epstein list!
You know, Hollywood is a satanic, ritualistic, child-molesting death cult!
Ah!
Yeah!
Every day, something else comes out like that.
And the thing is, people get it now.
Like, yeah, they did sacrifice children.
I mean, they do.
It's no longer weird to believe that there's, like, massive child trafficking taking place in the United States, across the border, approved by certain members of Congress, you know, certain agencies, certain people.
This is common knowledge at this point.
So, just saying.
So, we're going to go to the first interview here, which is with Jeffrey Prather.
And Jeffrey Prather had some really important things to say about the drones and what he believes is coming, which is a detonation type of event or the simulation of an explosion.
And I'll let him explain it to you, for you, because he's got a lot of context to bring to this.
So this is a pretty short interview.
I think it was roughly 15 minutes or so.
That's all the time we had.
It was a packed show.
But listen to Jeffrey Prather and his analysis of what's going on.
Here we go.
Time is short today.
Jeffrey Prather.
Was kind enough to join us for a quick update.
Mr. Prather, sir, welcome to the show today.
Thank you for joining us.
What is your analysis of what's happening with these drones?
Well, thanks for having me.
I agree with everything you're saying.
I've got a couple things to add.
Of course, I was in Tucson for a long time, very familiar with Davis-Monthan, but my tactical training company, Warrior School, used to do Raytheon's security work, and so I still had a clearance back then, so I had access To Raytheon's special tech shop, which was called the Bike Shop, where they outcan all kinds of great ways to save soldiers, really covert things.
And I sent you a clip of the CIA insectocopter, which is a little dragonfly.
Back in the days when I was still with a clearance where I could walk into CIA, I had a blue badge.
If you were doing low-profile stuff, you'd use something like the Dragonfly.
So these drones are not that at all.
Clearly not that.
The drone being chased by Tucson PD, who I did a lot of work with, also, I would assess almost 100% came out of Raytheon's bike shop.
And what you're seeing is the intelligence community testing new techniques and methods and proprietary technology on the military.
Remember, the first drones came out of An Israeli citizen, probably sponsored by Mossad, who created the Predator, went to CIA. Eventually, the Predator was armed, and the Predator is just now retiring, but he's been the workhorse of the CIA and then SOCOM, Special Operations Command, for a long time.
Wait a minute, Jeffrey, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I wanna clarify, are you saying that you believe that the initial wave of these drones and the drones that have been hovering over military assets in Tucson and New Jersey and other places, you believe these are military industrial complex corporation, drones made by US companies, but somehow those drones are not necessarily known by all of the levels of the military people and government people in New Jersey and other states?
I would assess 100% certainty that the military may not know about them, but the intelligence community, the CIA, the NSA, the NRO know about them for sure and that they're running the test on those.
For example, the New Jersey drones, Fort Dix-McGuire Joint Base has an Aerotechnology Defense Cooperation Agreement since 2020 to detect and follow drones.
So I'm pretty sure that they're coming off of there.
And these are test runs.
Okay, hold on just a second.
But to clarify then, you do not believe at all that these are Chinese drones or as that one congressman sort of ridiculously said, I thought they were Iranian drones from an Iranian mothership that Iran purchased from China that was parked off the US coast, which we all thought was a clown show.
Well, again, that's part of the SIOP. So the intelligence agencies, if you just showed the insectocopter, the little dragonfly, if you wanted to detect radioactive material and they said there was a Cat 3 container in New Jersey that was lost, Which I don't buy.
I think that's a cover story.
Just like the Wuhan lab was a cover story for the Fortitrick DARPA bioweapon.
I think that's a cover story.
You don't do it lit up.
You don't do it with lights on.
You don't obey FAA regulations.
You do it very low profile.
And Nest Nuclear Emergency Response Team and Tier 1 DOE guys, they've been doing this a long time.
They can do it real low profile to not alert anybody.
But they're not.
What do you make then of the fact that these drones then, which apparently you're describing as really advanced Corporate-built, exotic technology drones.
Apparently, they don't have a thermal signature, is what we're hearing from lawmakers in New Jersey.
And apparently, they don't show up on radar.
Otherwise, we would have known, even the Davis-Monthan Air Force Base air traffic control, they would have known the origination vector of these and where they went off to.
Nobody knows that.
How is it that they can evade radar and have no thermal signature, apparently?
Remember, we didn't see stealth Blackhawks until the Bin Laden raid.
So that was probably revealed by the intelligence community, probably the CIA, for JSOC, Joint Special Operations Command, for that.
But they keep these things under wrap.
If you remember the 1952 fake where there were UFOs over the Capitol dome building, that was the story reported by the guys operating the radar equipment, but there were no photographs taken.
That photograph and that video has been proved a fake.
They took the lamps from below the Capitol, reversed them, and put them exactly where those images are and then moved them across.
They just have better tech now.
But part of this is all a PSYOP, and the first part of the PSYOP is so that you're looking up and thinking about drones, drones, drones, so you're not thinking about the last four years where our government has been trafficking children, trafficking women, trafficking arms and terrorists into the country, and kidnapping, and is still doing that.
There are military flights now flying in where the border has We've receded a bit, where military flights are still flying in likely known terrorists for more.
So that's the first part of it is it's asylum, because if you wanted to collect intelligence, you'd do it low profile.
Because it's not low profile, it's an information influence operation.
What is the end goal?
I'm sorry to keep interrupting you, but our time is really short.
What's the end goal of this particular?
You mentioned a distraction strategy, I get that.
But that doesn't seem to be enough of a motivation for something this big to happen where you have a weapons corporation that has just decided to do whatever the heck it wants over the skies of American cities with the population be damned and the lawmakers be damned.
Nobody was read in on this apparently at the local level, right?
They must have a bigger end goal.
What is that?
Well, the corporations are doing this at the behest of the CIA, the intelligence community, the deep state, make no mistake.
And they're just classifying it at very high levels.
But the other end goal of this is to maybe Bring in some kind of bombing pre-inauguration or maybe even after inauguration so that a continuity of government and a dark journalist talked about this on Alex Jones the other day so a continuity of government can come in with NORTHCOM That is a very viable solution because they don't want Trump's DOJ to start coming after them because they've mass murdered millions with the bioweapon.
They've trafficked children in the tens, maybe the hundreds of thousands.
So they want to distract from that.
If they can turn the DOJ and the DOD onto some kind of external threat, where it's Iranians or Russians, and I think this is also why Kirilov was killed as well, because Kirilov was also their nuclear expert.
So now they can start to build the legend that there were loose nukes or SATIMs.
So small atomic demolition munitions were as a special forces mission that they were actually jumpable.
People, special forces, Green Berets, haloed, high altitude, low opened, test nukes for dip, die in place missions behind enemy lines.
They tried to get away and everything.
But those things exist.
So they may try and do that with drones or simulate that pre-inauguration or even after inauguration so that all of a sudden there's the rally around the flag phenomena and they're not focusing on the evil pedophiles and pushers and pimps of the pedo Joe and Joe's pedos, but they're suddenly focusing on Iran or Russia if they can do that.
So by killing Kirilov, They say, well, maybe the Russians, CBRN, chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, is not under control.
It got loose.
It got over here in some drones because these are likely Ukrainian drones because the State Department runs Ukraine.
That means the CIA runs Ukraine.
Ukrainians have been known for two things, sniping.
They claim a two-mile sniper hit on a Russian soldier and drones.
And Trump even intimated this the other day when he said, I don't think I'll stay overnight in bed, Minister.
What he was saying there was, maybe they're gonna hit me with a drone.
But, Jeffrey, but you're saying these so-called suitcase nukes do exist.
And perhaps one or more is unaccounted for across the United States.
It seems to me like one of the most effective ways for the deep state to really distract people and cause panic and activate COG plans would be to actually detonate one of these.
And I looked them up.
Apparently, they're around one kiloton equivalent of TNT. One kiloton, I did the research, Jeffrey, that would blow a crater that is about...
Up to 100 feet deep and 200 feet wide, it's only a fraction of the size of Hiroshima, let's say.
It's small compared to modern ICBMs, but it's not inconsequential to have a one kiloton explosion in the middle of a city.
Do you think they're desperate enough to try something like that?
I do.
I was thinking it would be in the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, but it could be done here.
Or it could just be simulated.
It wouldn't even have to be a nuke.
Remember the Oklahoma bombing, which Ted Gunderson, the FBI expert, said the FBI was running.
I apologize.
We have to go to break.
Stay with us, Jeffrey.
We'll be right back after this break to wrap it up with you.
Stay with us.
This is Mike Adams here on The Alex Jones Show.
We'll be right back after this break with more straight ahead.
All right, welcome back.
We are finishing up with Jeffrey Prather here, a former DIA and former DEA whistleblower, now working for the people, has been for several years at his website, jeffreyprather.com.
He's got outstanding analysis, and I think he shared some of that with us here today.
Mr. Prather, just kind of wrapping this up, how would you put an end cap on the PSYOP that you were just alluding to?
Between now and inauguration day based on the drone activity we've seen so far.
We can expect a bombing or a simulation of bombings either at our embassy in Kyiv or across the country to activate continuity of government via Northcom or to distract even more DOJ, the incoming DOJ from the crimes and sins of this administration.
I just sent you a picture of an old green light program, Green Beret, haloing a satum.
These drones, which are definitely deep state drones, are SUV-sized drones.
So if a Green Beret can halo one, an SUV-sized drone can definitely...
Move one of those around.
It doesn't even have to be for real, because again, it's all a psyop.
Just like COVID was a psyop, it was COVID was the flu, the real thing was the psyop that shut everything down.
And so that's what they're trying to do with that in my estimation.
All right, I think your analysis is spot on.
I appreciate you, Jeffrey.
And let me mention your website again, jeffreyprather.com, and it's spelled J-E-F-F-R-E-Y. Don't forget the E in Jeffrey.
So thank you, Mr. Prather.
Thank you for all the service that you've offered to our constitutional republic, and I look forward to speaking with you again.
Be safe.
Thanks for having me back, Mike.
All right.
Thank you.
All right.
Really fascinating information there from Jeffrey Prather.
All right, next we're going to go to the interview with Jason Fick, who is the legal consultant expert.
He's the expert on Section 230. He is the expert on the censorship industrial complex, and he was part of our team for the construction of our lawsuit that we filed on Memorial Day against the DOD and against big tech platforms and against NGOs, etc., that maliciously censored and deplatformed us because of our viewpoints.
Now, interestingly, the Truth About Cancer organization, Ty and Charlene Bollinger, they have just now filed their lawsuit this week.
Their lawsuit is an expanded, extended version of our lawsuit.
They found more stuff, more craziness, more malicious deplatforming.
Ty and Charlene Bollinger were named as part of the Dirty Dozen, And they were smeared and things were weaponized against them in ways that weren't even weaponized against us, which is really saying something because we were targeted and named by the freaking Department of Defense.
You know, as if we were an enemy of humanity or something.
No, we are the people trying to save humanity.
The DOD is the enemy of humanity.
You're the nutjobs that built the bioweapons in the secret Ukrainian labs, and then you unleashed them through the vaccines to murder Americans, right?
But anyway, Jason Fick...
In this interview, talks about the censorship industrial complex.
So enjoy this interview.
And then on the other side, we will feature Tracy Thurman and Roger Veer.
So stay with us.
Now, we're gonna shift gears and we're gonna go to our next guest here, Jason Fick.
Now, that war against the American people has involved a tremendous amount of censorship.
There is a censorship industrial complex that has been constructed beginning during the Trump administration, not by Trump himself, but by the enemies of Trump.
The State Department in particular, the DOD and other entities, big tech and overseas NGOs that all colluded to carry out deplatforming and the silencing of people like myself, like Alex Jones and others in independent media.
And now, this week, Ty and Charlene Bollinger, you know from The Truth About Cancer, they have also filed a major lawsuit.
And here, as the expert consultant, the expert on this entire issue is Jason Fick.
Welcome, Jason.
It's an honor to have you on the show today.
Thank you for having me, Mike.
Well, thank you for joining me.
And time is tight today because there's so much breaking news, but please break it down for us.
Talk about the dismantling of the censorship industrial complex and the lawsuit filed by The Truth About Cancer.
What do we need to know?
Well, there's three elements that we're working on in this dismantling of the censorship industrial complex.
The first was Section 230 issues, which is at the heart of the, what would you call it, the power that the government had over big tech in order to effectuate the censorship issue.
That, of course, prior to Trump's first term, that's when you saw a lot of this, right?
In your case, Uh, against the censorship industrial complex.
Now we took that very far and we uncovered a lot of it in the initial stages.
However, obviously since that point, um, the tie in Charlene Bollinger decided that they were going to take action against the censorship industrial complex.
And I, and I kind of look at them like your case is the first half of it and their case really is relevant to the second half of it.
What I mean by that is that when you were censored, it was predominantly during the period when they were trying to get Donald Trump out of office, right?
This was the 2020, up to the 2020 election.
After the 2020 election, they went hardcore on the COVID misinformation realm.
At its core, you can find the Department of State.
That's really the lead to this.
And the reason for that was because of the formation of something called the Global Engagement Center.
That element of government is what actually essentially evolved from foreign myths and disinformation to targeting domestic myths and disinformation.
And the problem there was that it was not myths and disinformation.
It is exactly like the situations with Alex Jones.
And with any notable figures like yourselves, the Bollingers, when they just You know, put out dissenting information, the government went after them.
Now- Well, what we want to say, Jason, is that we were putting out missing information.
This is information missing from the corporate media.
They were covering it up and hiding it.
And it's the job of independent media to ask the questions that the corporate media, which is run, influenced by the State Department or Pfizer or whoever, they refuse to cover it.
So I just want to clarify that, but go ahead.
Yeah, that's a good way to describe it, is missing information.
Effectively, you guys, as citizen journalists and across the board, everybody that puts out information is filling in the gaps in order to give people informed consent.
That's the whole point.
Especially when it comes to health-related issues, I don't want the government making decisions for me that they think are the best for me.
I want to hear from everybody so that I can make my own logical decision about my own health concerns.
Obviously, with you being the health ranger, does that not make the most sense to hear more information to make your own decisions?
Well, it's all about decentralization of knowledge.
This is a really critical issue right now.
And it actually, let me bring up this headline too.
Truth Social eyes a crypto powered FinTech, like a decentralized crypto solution to guard against debanking.
So if you think about it, Jason, the independent media represents decentralization of knowledge, just as cryptocurrency represents decentralization of finance.
Just as banks, banks were debanking people because of their viewpoints, because they were tied to Trump.
And content platforms and social media platforms were deplatforming people because of their content or their viewpoints.
So it's really the same issue across the board.
So what you are doing, Jason, By fighting against the censorship industrial complex, you are really advocating for decentralization of knowledge, which is exactly what humanity needs to move forward.
It's the primary concern is that if we can't decentralize knowledge, then the government controls speech.
Well, we will lose everything else because there is no dissent anymore, and that really is at the heart of even my case.
It was decentralized in terms of financial.
Your case was decentralized in terms of health and information and so forth, and again, we had the same situation with the Bollinger's case that was just filed.
And I can say that this has been a journey for me.
I've had almost seven years deep in this specific niche type of law, even though I'm not bar licensed.
But I don't need to be to understand the law and to understand The manipulation of information here.
Yeah, but Jason, I'm sorry to interrupt, but the point is, I want you to speak to the fact that the GEC is now shutting itself down.
Yeah.
I mean, talk about the dismantling of the censorship industrial complex because they're in a freaking panic right now in the next four weeks before Trump gets sworn in.
Let's pray that we make it to that day.
What is happening with the censorship industrial complex?
Because they're trying to hide all the evidence, it seems, of what they did.
So here's the thing.
Even in these lawsuits where we're going after them to get information about what they did, right?
Discovery and so forth.
For example, the GEC has a sunset clause.
So they're not planning on re-upping it.
So the Global Engagement Center is going to shut down.
That does not mean it is going away.
The pervasive entwinement that the government is engaged in is so widespread and it is not going anywhere.
Everybody thinks that, you know, Well, I wouldn't say everybody thinks this, but a lot of people believe that just because Donald Trump is coming into office that he'll be able to stop all of it.
He can't.
It's actually a fight for all of us to make at every turn because the corruption, like to explain what the censorship industrial complex is, is it's an amalgamous mess.
It's everywhere.
It's entwined in everything that we do.
So all they do is they just do next iterations of that.
So in the case of GEC, it'll come out as something else.
You look at the Stanford Internet Observatory, which is part of the Election Integrity Partnership, which, of course, morphed.
Next iteration, it morphed into the Rurality Project.
And now they're shutting that down, but it'll just morph into something else.
The problem is that we have to stop the government at its core.
Yes.
Let me bring in, I believe, yesterday in the House...
What passed as part of the continuing resolution, I believe, included a provision to halt any government contracts with NewsGuard.
Did you see that story?
I actually have not seen that.
We were in the final hours of filing with the Bollinger's complaint.
Yeah, absolutely.
But I believe that that passed the House yesterday, which means that for the first time, our legislators are becoming aware of the dangers of these so-called Ratings or fact checkers, which are not really fact checkers, they are lie pushers in my view.
They cover up the truth, they cover up the facts, but NewsGuard has specifically targeted conservative websites and truth oriented websites to be defamed and slandered.
This was a deliberate effort.
It was not unintentional.
The government set out to do this.
That was actually some of the revelations that we have in the existing case for the Bollingers.
There are things that we found that are unbelievable.
I mean it's a huge, huge lawsuit.
Well, for example… A lot of people believe that the reaction was to the CCDH report where they were calling them the disinformation doesn't.
It was not reactive.
It turns out the government elicited it.
I mean, it looked as that overtly where we saw in the news that they were going after the disinformation doesn't purportedly because they had 65% of the vaccine misinformation.
That was complete falsehood.
In fact, the data that was actually used was actually elicited by the government.
It was then given to these companies, like the CCDH, and they requisitioned it.
Hey, we need this.
And the timing is unbelievable because they had pre-planned the March 25th hearing, and the 23rd, they had embargoed the report that had already been in the hands of the AGs, and then on the 24th, it goes live.
So there is no doubt about it.
The government was entwined with the NGOs, at least with CCDH and Facebook and Twitter, prior to any of this coming public.
We know for a fact that these companies are all working in collusion with the government.
So therefore, and it's a maximum of law that basically says that what they cannot do themselves, they cannot buy others.
So the government can't indirectly go after free speech either.
Let me interject.
What you said is absolutely true, but let me add this element to it.
We know, and this gets into the importance of crypto and an honest distributed ledger system that no government can counterfeit.
Think about this, Jason.
During COVID, the United States government Printed fiat currency gave a billion dollars to the CDC, which the CDC then handed out to social media influencers, paying them with this counterfeit dollar currency to tell people to get vaccinated.
And I believe they also paid church leaders.
And so some of the church pastors that took donations from the government, they told their congregations go out and get vaccinated.
And a lot of those People are dead now, by the way.
And so money printing combined with concentration and centralization of power over speech, combined with the censorship against those who are telling the truth, this results in mass death.
You know how, Jason, they always say that, well, you're putting out information that could be dangerous.
No, your censorship is violence.
Your censorship is what caused people to die, a million plus people to die in this country.
Isn't that true, Jason, that censorship is violence and fighting against censorship saves lives?
Well, the point being is that if you put out more information, you are not censoring anybody.
You're not withholding ideas.
You are simply giving people more ideas.
The difference was that the government sought to actually restrain ideas.
They did not want anybody that would dissent from their version of the vaccine hesitancy and so forth.
And therefore, that censorship, in fact, did kill people.
More people are dead because of the government's actions here.
And, I mean, it's pervasive.
In fact, I think between your case and the Bollinger case, there is a much more important – Occurrence that needs to happen here.
The incoming DOJ, which will be an honest DOJ, we believe, needs to look into this.
There are criminal aspects here.
There are things that we have uncovered that warrant congressional investigations, the pervasive nature of how all of these different entities are interacting.
The point is, it's not a single bad guy.
It's everywhere.
It's so, like, to give you an example, we always talk about going down the rabbit hole.
And we did.
We went down the rabbit hole.
But let me finish, Mike.
The point was, we went down that rabbit hole, and we never found the bottom.
Like, everywhere, we eventually had to get to the point.
It was so much information, so much pervasive censorship that we just had to stop and say, okay, here it is.
Here's what we found.
It happened.
Now what?
Well, and the Bollinger's remember that they're known for being the truth about cancer.
So they are saving people's lives from the cancer industry, which I believe profits from death and suffering and doesn't in the aggregate save any lives at all.
Ty and Charlene Bollinger saved lives.
And that's why they were targeted with the most nefarious, aggressive tactics that you've uncovered, you and your team, in the lawsuit that's just been filed.
Stay with us, Jason.
We've got to take a break.
We'll be back in two minutes to finish up with you.
We're here on the Alex Jones Show.
We'll be right back.
All right, welcome back.
We are here on The Alex Jones Show.
I'm Mike Adams with naturalnews.com.
And my organization, Brighteon, filed a lawsuit against the censorship industrial complex earlier this year.
And the expert consultant that we hired to do that is our guest right now, Jason Fick.
Who also has been a consultant with the Bollingers, the Truth About Cancer organization that just filed a lawsuit this week.
Jason, we only have a couple minutes here, but please let our audience know today, what's the most important takeaway from here about the possibility of success?
Can we get either one of these lawsuits to discovery in your view based on the changing dynamic of the political environment today?
Well, Mike, it's going to come down to the integrity of the courts.
Unfortunately, we live in a world now where it depends on who you pick as a judge, whether or not you're going to be able to be heard.
But I can tell you that the gravity of your case and the Bollinger case cannot be understated.
It is easily the most pervasive attack on Free speech in history.
Between the two, we can actually clean up all of the censorship industrial complex.
We just need allies at this point.
And what I would suggest with that is that to go to either thetruthaboutcancer.com, get the Bollinger complaint, which is brand new, read it.
It's 281 pages long.
It is a surgical precision case.
We tore it all apart.
We went deep into this and, of course, your case.
But now both of them are available at socialmediafreedom.org, which is our site under the Documents tab, and you can read them.
But we explain how the entire industrial censorship complex was created.
This conversation might get so much bigger and so much longer that I would invite – Alex and myself and yourself and the Bollinger, we should have this longer discussion and talk about who's doing what here.
Yeah, and we encourage Alex's organization or others that are watching, please take these lawsuits that we have filed, that the Bollinger's filed with your help.
Take those lawsuits, So much research has been done.
Use that as a template and apply it to you in your particular case.
But we put this out in the public space on purpose because the smoking gun evidence is right there, isn't it, Jason?
Yeah, we've already laid it out for the government.
We've laid it out for the DOJ. We've laid it out for everyone how it all can be fixed.
We know how it can be fixed.
We just don't get the invitations to testify before Congress and so forth.
We can do this.
We just need allies.
That is our goal right now is to get the necessary powerful allies to fix the censorship problem because we will lose our country if we do not fix it.
Well, here we have a story.
Laura Logan just testified about censorship.
She said, quote, this is a blood sport for them talking about the censors.
The age of information warfare.
And here we are at InfoWars actually winning the InfoWars thanks to people like Alex and all the great hosts here.
Laura Logan nails it.
And you're nailing it, Jason.
We're nailing it.
We are demonstrating right now what the First Amendment was written for, which is so that people can speak their mind, their truth, their opinions, their analysis, and add that to the public discourse.
And Jason, we only have about a minute left in this segment.
Any final thoughts?
And give out your website one more time, please.
Well, I also wanted to commend Lara Logan.
She is actually – we're working back and forth together.
I actually talked with her last night.
Socialmediafreedom.org, our goal is purely to restore freedoms online.
It is to stop this tyranny, and without it, we are not going to be able to stop it.
So this is a must.
This is a must-do.
We must gut the censorship industrial complex.
We must restore the freedoms of speech online.
One of the ways that you can follow, as you can see, is to find me on Twitter.
I do still use it.
I'd love a conversation with Elon Musk about this situation because, of course, he's in the crossfires.
But thank you either way.
Okay.
Social Media Freedom Foundation there and Jason Fick, F-Y-K. Jason Fick is your tag on X. And thank you for joining us, Jason.
Thank you for all that you're doing.
And we'll be right back after this break with the second hour straight ahead.
Alright, welcome back.
Next, we're going to the interview with Tracy Thurman and Roger Veer, known as Bitcoin Jesus.
It's an affectionate term.
Bitcoin Jesus, you know, a kind man who gives away Bitcoin.
It's not Bitcoin, Jesus.
No, that's not what it is.
It's Bitcoin Jesus.
Positive light.
So, Roger Ver is facing 109 years in prison for advocating freedom, basically, is what it boils down to.
But to tell the story, since he can't speak because he's facing this prosecution right now by the DOJ, Tracy Thurman is here to tell his story.
So they joined us from Spain, where he is being extradited by the DOJ. And this is a fascinating and very important interview, so give it a listen and share it with others and take action to help free Roger Ver.
Here we go.
All right, welcome back to the second hour of The Alex Jones Show coming to you from Central Texas.
I'm Mike Adams, the publisher of naturalnews.com, also a free speech independent media site.
And all of us here in this space, we believe in decentralization of knowledge, decentralization of media, and also decentralization of finance.
And in fact, I just had a headline here about Truth Social.
They wanna use a crypto-powered fintech solution to guard against debanking, right?
Because why should we allow centrally controlled e-commerce solutions or banking and finance or lending services to be able to de-platform us because of our viewpoints?
Well, one of the greatest champions in the whole realm of decentralization and advocating for peer-to-peer cryptocurrency usage and just teaching people, empowering people with this message that really is the empowerment of human civilization, in my view, is none other than Roger Ver.
Roger Ver, known as Bitcoin Jesus, although he's not necessarily a huge fan of that name.
But it kind of stuck because he's been so giving in his knowledge and also in the early days of a lot of Bitcoin.
Hope those people held on to it.
And he is, of course, facing extreme prosecution by the United States government because, I believe, because they wanna silence him because he's such an advocate for decentralization.
He is currently in Spain facing the risk of, well, an extradition order from the United States and potentially facing over 100 years in prison in the United States if he is convicted.
And he joins us with a censored tag over his mouth at the moment.
And beside him, Tracy Thurman.
Tracy and Roger, it's an honor to have you both on the show today.
Thank you for joining us from Spain.
Thank you, Mike.
We're very pleased to be able to join you.
We're both huge fans of this show, and it's an honor to tell Roger's story here on InfoWars.
Well, thank you both for taking the time.
I know the time zones, it's made it a little bit difficult.
And I hope we can get Roger to say something here during this segment.
But Tracy, let's start with you.
Keep it in a summary format here because of just the compactness of today's broadcast here.
But tell us the full story, to the extent you can, of what Roger Ver is facing and why they are trying to silence him.
Sure.
This story really goes back in a quarter century.
That's how long the lawfare against Roger has been going on.
So 25 years ago, Roger ran for office as a young man in California, as a libertarian.
And in a debate there, when he was speaking with the Republican and the Democratic candidates, he was talking about what happened in Waco, Texas.
Because one of the things Rogers cares about most Is human freedom and ending human suffering, especially the suffering of children.
And he talked about how the ATF had murdered children in Waco, Texas.
That's true.
They did.
He called them jackbooted child-murdering thugs, which is what they are.
It's what they did in Waco.
But the ATF decided that day to take offense.
And to begin lawfare against Roger.
And so they played the old Stalinist trick of, you know, show me the man, I'll find you the crime.
And what they found was that Roger had sold fireworks on eBay.
He was one of hundreds of people who had done this.
He was buying them from Cabela's catalog and reselling them there as retail arbitrage.
Nobody had a license to do this.
Cabela's didn't have a license to do it.
They picked one man and one man only to punish for not having a license for selling these fireworks, and that was Roger.
And so Roger ended up spending 10 months in federal prison because the ATF wanted him silent.
And what year was this?
What was that?
What year did this take place?
It started in 1999. His prison sentence was 2002 to 2003. Okay, but they didn't send anybody else to prison for the same behavior.
Not one person.
In fact, if you're wondering for a moment, are you sure this was lawfare?
We know it was lawfare, because in a meeting between the ATF, the prosecutor, and Roger's attorney, Roger's attorney was making the case, look, this is normally something where you would give the guy maybe a fine, or you just tell him to go get a license, right?
Everybody else, that's what you're doing.
And the ATF agent pounded his fist on the table and said, you didn't hear what he said about us.
Right, so because they did not like his speech, they selectively persecuted him.
Now, we're all familiar with that here at Infowars and myself as well.
We've all been targeted because of our speech.
But clearly what you're describing now is long before the arrival of Bitcoin, right?
Yes, this is long before the arrival of Bitcoin.
Who else were the victims of lawfare going back that far, other than perhaps Roger Ver and Alex Jones?
This is something they have in common, is that they were both canaries in the coal mine of lawfare.
Yes.
These two men.
And so by the time Roger got out, it was very clear to him the U.S. government was not done with him.
The U.S. government would probably never be done with him.
And so he decided, tragically, that he had to leave the country in order to be safe.
And so that's what he did.
He left the U.S. And in the end he had to give up his U.S. citizenship to get citizenship elsewhere because of the threat he felt from the U.S. government.
That may have sounded insane to other people a decade ago.
I think today most of your listeners We'll be nodding their heads and saying, I understand that now.
I've watched so many of my heroes go down, go to prison, be silenced, be debanked.
And Roger was one of the first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just to confirm that today, I mean, how many Americans are thinking, especially before the election, conservatives were thinking about, well, should I go to Panama?
Should I go to Chile?
Where should I go?
Thailand?
Now, it's a lot of the Democrats, but They wanna flee because they committed crimes against the American people, such as censorship and malicious prosecution, which I think is this case here, also malicious prosecution.
And I do wanna mention before you continue, Tracy, that I am personally advocating for President Trump To consider a pardon for Roger Ver because a pardon of Roger Ver would send a very powerful message to the pro-freedom,
pro-America, pro-crypto community that Donald Trump, that you understand their plight and you are not going to allow the Department of Justice of this government to be weaponized against advocates of decentralized finance.
So that's my view.
I think I can say with certainty that Roger's very grateful for that as well.
Well, please continue, Tracy.
We're grateful for everything that he has done over the years, but please continue.
Yeah, so he left this country and then in 2011, he discovered Bitcoin.
And if I know the story correctly, he was so intrigued by it, so excited by it, that he stayed up for days reading about it to the point of actually needing medical care due to being sleep deprived.
But what he saw in Bitcoin was the opportunity for a permissionless free exchange between people.
Because if you've already been the target of the government, and again, at this point many of your listeners have been, You know that the government has the ability to turn off your money.
That's right.
And as long as the government has the ability to turn off your money, they have the ability to control you.
Yep, and central bank digital currencies would only exacerbate that manipulation and threat against all of us.
This is a primary theme here at Infowars, is alerting people to the dangers of CBDCs.
And so it seems to me that one of the reasons why the US government, at least the pre-Trump government here, Wants to prosecute Roger is because, this is just my opinion, but I believe that Roger's education and empowerment of people would tend to help people realize the dangers of CBDCs.
And so, do you agree with this assessment, Tracy?
I do.
I do.
I think that that is a huge piece of why he's being targeted.
Anyone who is building the ecosystem of freedom that allows us to have our own food, to have our own medical care, to make all these choices, but above all to make our own choices about our finances, To be able to transact together, that is critical to absolutely every piece.
And few people have done more to enable that than Roger has.
And I do think that is a huge piece of why this last administration had it out for him.
No, I understand.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but there's a petition that people can sign, I believe.
Is it freerogernow.org?
Is that it?
PreRogerNow.org.
We encourage everybody, please go there.
Please sign it.
It will take literally less than 15 seconds of your time.
We don't ask you to put in all your personal information.
But we need to be able to show President Trump and his incoming administration that there is support for this.
There is support for Roger.
And I can tell you, if you have ever put your money into any cryptocurrency, If you have ever benefited from the anti-lockdown movement, the medical freedom movement, from any of these things, even the anti-war movement, you've benefited from Roger's work.
You just don't know about it.
Yeah, true.
And so please give 15 seconds of your time to pay back to the man who has done so much for all of us.
Okay, and that petition, I mean, that's not a commercial effort.
Like people who sign that, they're not gonna get spammed with, hey, buy this meme coin or anything like that.
It's not that at all.
It's just- Nope.
You might get the occasional email saying, hey, here's something new in our campaign.
That would be it.
We would never dream of doing anything like that with this list.
This is solely for people who want to support Roger being free again and being able to return to the U.S. Why did he give up his citizenship?
He gave up his citizenship because he was too afraid to be here anymore and no longer felt safe.
And frankly, the conduct of our government since then has done nothing to dissuade him of that.
He would love nothing more than to be a free man again, to be able to return to the US as a free man, welcomed back by us as Americans, and be able to see the people he loves again.
He's been kept away from them for nearly a decade.
It's horrible.
Well, Roger's the kind of person who's a great innovator, the kind of person that makes this country great.
And if you wanna make America great again, you need people like Roger here.
Now, it's a little weird.
Actually, having Roger sitting there unable to speak, Roger, can you give me a thumbs up that if you come to the US, will you come here to the Infowars studios and join us for an interview?
Okay, we got a double thumbs up on that.
All right, so thank you.
Thank you for all you're doing, Roger.
I know the reason you're not speaking, I would imagine, is on attorney's advice because of the persecution, the case that you're facing, and we understand that.
I just want you to know that all of us in America are rooting for you.
And Tracy, you have been an incredible advocate.
You flew to my studio and did an interview with me a couple of weeks ago.
Thank you for doing that.
You're obviously putting a lot of air miles in on this.
I just have to ask you, honestly, what is driving you to do this?
This has taken your whole time.
And passion.
My entire life is on hold to get this done.
You're right, Mike.
I've spent years away from my own family against my will.
I have my family back now.
Roger has a right to have his loved ones back in his life too.
And in order to do that, he has to be able to return to America as a free man.
And so, you know, when I first I agree to take on this case.
I was ideologically aligned.
I was very concerned about the legal precedent that's being set.
They're attempting to destroy attorney-client privilege here.
They're attempting to destroy reliance on counsel defense.
You can go look those up, but those are a really big deal for all Americans if those go down.
So that's what I was initially motivated by, but I've worked with a lot of High net worth clients and generally they're very difficult people, to be totally honest with you.
And I didn't expect to get along with Roger as a human being, but he's a really wonderful person.
He's a kind person.
He's compassionate.
I've never seen him treat anyone with anything other than respect.
And so I feel personally, you know, that he should have a right as a human being to return to his loved ones, his loved ones who are here in the United, you know, who are in the United States.
He should be able to return as an American to America.
Yes.
And be reunited with them.
And that's what motivates me.
I know the pain of being separated from your loved ones.
Also, Attorney Roger Barnes has also chimed in on this.
And I don't think we have that clip available.
But guys, if you could find that clip, we would like to play it.
I think it's short, maybe a minute.
But Barnes is correct in pointing out the legal importance of this.
Because as I understand it, Tracy, The federal government even raided the law offices of Rogers' attorney and confiscated private privileged communications.
Attorney-client privilege has been thrown out the window.
And that just speaks to the kind of lawfare that has been waged against Donald Trump, against Alex Jones, and so many of us in the pro-freedom, pro-liberty, pro-America space.
Am I correct?
Is my understanding correct on what they did?
No, the armed federal agents raided his attorney's office.
And they timed it, by the way, to be done at the same time they were raiding Roger's office and his accountant's office.
That way, Roger was essentially denied legal protection because he couldn't call his attorneys.
They were a little busy at that moment.
and they interrogated his attorneys they took reams of documents they had absolutely no right to and it's a horrifying precedent if this is allowed to stand imagine any one of you who's ever dependent on an attorney that your attorney could be forced to turn over data and be questioned about you that your accountant that you could that you're no longer able to depend on your accountant to do your taxes and be able to say look i turned over all the information to them i asked them to do it right they're qualified You know,
it's called a reliance on counsel defense because without it, we're all screwed.
The tax code is essentially 70,000 pages.
None of us can possibly memorize that.
And so Roger hired some of the best attorneys in the world to help him understand that and to take care of it for him.
And they're trying to use his case to take away that right for all of us.
In the same way they used Alex Jones to try to take away the rights of many Americans, and many people like you and me, Mike, we stood up and we said, look, if you don't stand up for Alex Jones, they're coming next.
Not everyone listens.
That's why I stood up for Alex Jones.
I stood with Alex Jones during this entire time, and Alex has always stood for others as well.
And by the way, Alex was absolutely thrilled when He learned that Roger was going to be joining us today.
Even though you're not able to speak here right now, Roger, the fact that you are there, you gave us a thumbs up.
Tracy, you're speaking for him.
It's all understandable.
Alex is thrilled that you're on the show.
Now, let's go to this clip from Robert Barnes speaking about this particular case.
Go ahead and play that.
What's the latest on the guy who they're trying to extradite from Spain?
Oh yeah, so there's two big crypt cases.
So one is Crypto.com has brought suit against the Biden administration and the SEC. And the other is the continued escalation of the extradition efforts against Roger Ver, colloquially known as Bitcoin Jesus.
Leave it to the Biden administration to try to figure out a way to crucify Bitcoin Jesus.
So for those that don't know who Roger Ver is, Roger Ver is one of the founders of the Bitcoin movement.
It sort of was a Bitcoin purist.
It was someone who believed in Bitcoin not for its self-enrichment prospects, but rather for its collective empowerment and individual freedom components.
That if he really understood what Bitcoin was at core, there was the aspect I'm talking about, monetizing and incentivizing people To explore alternative ideas about the world that would let them go down Alice in Wonderland's rabbit hole, that allowed them to take the Matrix red pill and see past the simulation.
But the broader aspect of it was its capacity to functionally revolutionize the world and remove financial control from central banks and central planners.
Indeed, any central intermediary at all.
Because it's based on democratizing, decentralizing currency and individually empowering through open source blockchain technology, the means of exchange.
Robert Barnes really gets it there.
We're going to end that, but Robert Barnes nails it.
He's a super smart guy.
He really understands this.
I wanna actually get into that with you a little bit, Tracy.
Although, let me set the context that I believe most people, almost everybody in the Bitcoin community supports freedom for Roger Ver, even if they may not agree with his interpretation of Bitcoin's choices along the way.
Now, Roger is co-author of a very popular book now called Hijacking Bitcoin.
And what Robert Barnes was just speaking to there speaks to the fact that the original vision, the Satoshi vision of Bitcoin was that it would be held in self custody by individuals.
It would be decentralized and the block size would be large enough to handle enough volume to make transactions very low cost so that everyday people could use it in everyday trade, right?
But unfortunately, some decisions were made in Bitcoin.
That limited the block size, and we have Aaron Day joining us coming up in a few minutes, who also speaks to this.
And Roger Verer came down on the side of the original Satoshi vision of Bitcoin, which was decentralized peer-to-peer transactions and not having Bitcoin largely controlled by centralized ETFs and that kind of thing.
Tracy, is that something, do you wanna speak to that at all?
Go ahead.
Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely true that there are people in the cryptocurrency community that disagree with Roger on the block size wars.
But at this point, everyone needs to understand this is far beyond the block size wars.
This is a precedent that will be used against everybody in the cryptocurrency space.
And so there are many people in this space that may disagree with Roger on literally everything, who are absolutely committed to making sure this man does not go to prison for the rest of his life.
Because they understand, it's like Donald Trump said, They're coming for the rest of you.
I'm just in the way.
That's right.
They're coming for everybody who is early crypto.
They're coming for all the big crypto whales.
Roger's just in the way.
Take Roger down.
Set the precedent.
They're coming for everyone else next.
So this goes far beyond that.
And I love what Giancarlo said, where he said, if I have to choose between, you know, I'm not going to use his exact words.
It was basically, if I have to choose between someone who's into altcoins and the government, I'll choose the altcoin guy, even though I disagree with him on everything else.
100%.
And that's the answer.
We all need to take at this point.
This is far beyond the block size.
So we are asking, I'm asking for Donald Trump to consider a pardon for Roger Ver and at the same time, Ross Ulbricht, right?
Julian Assange, even consider Edward Snowden.
Edward Snowden warned us and he told the truth.
He blew the whistle on an illegal surveillance state.
And he was punished for that and nothing changed in America.
And that, I'm sorry, Edward Snowden gave up his professional life, his personal life, his family, his country in order to try to warn us about how our government was being weaponized against us.
And it strikes me that Roger's plight is in some ways similar.
Roger has had to give up his US citizenship in order to try To be free from the selective targeted persecution by a malicious government that has weaponized the truth against the American people.
But Tracy and Roger, times are changing dramatically.
The defeat of Kamala.
And the imminent defeat of elements of the deep state, this speaks very strongly to a new potential bright future for America, a future that can experience great abundance based on decentralized finance that Trump's people seem to understand.
Your thoughts, Tracy?
I agree.
This is an incredibly exciting moment because November The morning of November 6th was a very happy morning for many of us.
And not because I'm a deeply political person, but because I woke up that morning knowing that Ross Ulbricht, Roger Ver, potentially Julian Assange, all had a chance again.
They all have a chance again.
And why?
They have a chance because so many of these people in this incoming administration, Trump especially, They understand what lawfare is.
Trump, you understand lawfare.
That's right.
You've been the victor at yourself.
Alex Jones has been the victim of it.
Elon Musk has been a victim of it.
All of them have been and all of them should be able to look at Roger and see a brother in arms.
They should be able to see a man who has been going through the same thing they have at the hands of the same people who've been persecuting them.
And a man who deserves the same freedom that they have today Because Donald Trump won.
This is an opportunity for Donald Trump to change the world by saving one of the individuals who has revolutionized finance.
And also, Trump has said he wants to make the U.S. the haven for cryptocurrency.
I can tell you there's other countries that are literally rolling out the red carpet for these guys.
You fly in on a private jet.
They roll out a red carpet for you.
They take you directly to a government building where they make sure by the end of the day you have your golden visa and you have everything you need.
Meanwhile, the U.S. is putting these men in shackles.
If you were one of these crypto billionaires, why on earth would you choose the U.S.? 100%.
I'm sorry to cut you off.
We're almost out of time.
Freerogernow.org is the website, and I agree with you.
If you want to make America the crypto capital of the world, you start by pardoning Roger Ver and unleash him as an innovator for America, and that's how you make America great again, one of the many ways.
So thank you both for joining me today.
God bless you both, and be well.
Thank you so much, Mike, and we can't wait till Roger can come back and speak for himself.
Alright, now today's last interview is with Aaron Day.
Aaron Day, who's got these really interesting projects going on.
He's an advocate of privacy crypto.
He's an advocate of the larger blockchain size for Bitcoin.
He knows Roger Veer.
I think Roger Veer taught him a lot of what he knows about crypto.
And Aaron Day, we've had him as a guest twice on my show, Decentralized TV, with my co-host, Todd Pitner, who's also an advocate for privacy coins.
So Aaron Day has some really interesting things to offer here, also about Roger Veer and the topic of human freedom.
And why we need decentralized finance in order to finally be free as a species, to get away from the centralized control, the central banks, the government-run currency, which never made any sense, actually, especially not now after the invention of blockchain and consensus mechanisms, proof of work, proof of stake, etc.
So, just, you know, cryptography for decentralized finance.
So, Aaron Day, one of the smartest guys that I've ever met doing what I do here, You'll learn a tremendous amount from Aaron, so enjoy this interview, and then we'll be back on the other side.
Now, speaking of freedom, our guest here, Aaron Day, is a strong advocate of freedom.
He's an advocate also of privacy coins, which is something I'm a fan of as well, because I don't want everybody to know where I've sent coins or where I receive them or whatever.
It's not their business, right?
Privacy is a basic human right.
Aaron Day joins us.
Welcome, Mr. Day, to the program.
It's an honor to have you on, sir.
Thank you for having me.
Good to see you again.
It's good to see you, Aaron.
I really want to thank you for joining us today.
You've been a guest on my show, Decentralized TV, I think twice now.
And you probably just saw our interview with Tracy with Roger sitting there.
What's your reaction to the prosecution of Roger Veer?
I mean, my reaction is that it's very clearly politically motivated.
I mean, I've been following it very closely.
My primary issue is trying to warn people about the threats of CBDCs and to explore alternative currencies.
And I think that Roger's being targeted specifically because he's probably the most effective advocate on the planet for using alternative currencies as a way to not get stuck with central bank digital currency tyranny.
Now, Aaron, how critical is it for America's position as a crypto leader for people like Roger to be embraced rather than prosecuted?
Well, I mean, it's absolutely critical.
I mean, cryptocurrencies are obviously here to stay, and fiat currencies all over the world are collapsing.
And in fact, state-issued currencies have a 0% success rate.
Most government-backed currencies fail after only 27 years.
And so we're now seeing this whole geopolitical battle between the United States and BRICS and everything else.
And so cryptocurrencies really are the future and the way out.
Okay, so give our audience a little bit of background of what brought you to this point, and what it is you do exactly with your foundation.
Sure, so I started an entrepreneur, and my second company was actually destroyed inadvertently by the federal government, by Dodd-Frank, Obamacare, and Eric Holder.
And I won't go into all the details on that, but that turned me into a I'm a full-time liberty activist.
And so I moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project.
That's where I learned about cryptocurrency.
I actually learned about Bitcoin from Roger at a Free State Project event in 2012. I spent a lot of time on political activism.
My wife and I helped get candidates elected at the state level and tried to go the political route and then kind of threw up my hands at that around 2018 and stopped using a bank account personally.
And started urging others to opt out of using fiat currency.
Then COVID hit, and all of a sudden I noticed that my friends were being targeted by the federal government.
Ian Freeman, who I learned about the Free State Project from, is now in federal prison for eight years for selling Bitcoin without filling out the appropriate paperwork, which was clearly a manufactured case.
Jeremy Kaufman started a company called Library, which is a decentralized version of YouTube.
He was targeted by the SEC, and they destroyed his business after five years.
So I wanted to look at, well, what is the cause of this?
Why is it specifically That people at the intersection of liberty and crypto are being targeted and destroyed.
And what I found was that, and particularly under Biden, in his Executive Order 14067, it is currently government policy for the United States to both explore a central bank digital currency, as well as to take a whole-of-government approach to regulating decentralized cryptocurrency.
And that's exactly what they've been doing.
It's the SEC, the Treasury, the FBI, the IRS. Every branch of the federal government has been mobilized.
To go after people in the crypto space.
And so this is why people like Roger and others have been targeted.
Many others have been thrown in prison.
As Marc Andreessen eloquently explained on Joe Rogan a week or so ago, people are being debanked all over the place with a particular emphasis on anybody in the cryptocurrency space.
And so this crackdown is real, but so is the emergence of CBDCs.
We went from a situation where in 2020, there were 35 countries just researching CBDCs and really only China was experimenting with it.
Fast forward four years.
Today, 134 countries representing 98% of the global GDP are exploring CBDCs and over half of those are actually beyond the research phase.
11 countries have already rolled out a CBDC. And there are more CBDC accounts globally than decentralized cryptocurrency accounts.
And so the whole process of using the state and throwing people in prison and targeting Liberty crypto activists is to close off competitions so that when they roll out the CBDC, people have no choice.
Well, it's very clear, Aaron.
And by the way, please look right at the camera as you're speaking with us and give us your website for your foundation too, please.
What is that?
My website is daylightfreedom.org.
Okay, daylightfreedom.org.
Let me ask your reaction to this news headline here.
Following Kuwait, Vietnam to debank people who do not get their biometrics scanned for a digital ID app.
So there it is, Vietnam, communist country, and the communists love CBDCs, don't they?
Well, the communists love CBDCs, but actually, it's not limited to just communist countries.
The United States is actually fairly advanced in the development of our own CBDC, which is something that we've been working on since 2019. In fact, when I started researching this, I saw all this information about countries Rapidly developing CBDCs,
but when I explored how our monetary system works today, I realized we really already have, effectively, a CBDC. When you talk to people about what they're concerned about with central bank digital currencies, they're concerned about having their financial transactions monitored, they're concerned about being censored and debanked, and they're concerned about money being programmable.
All three of those things are true with our system today.
92% of our system is digital.
There's only 8% cash.
The way money is created is the federal government goes to the Federal Reserve and issues an IOU, and then the Federal Reserve creates the money out of thin air in a database.
I mean, that is very much by definition a central bank digital currency.
Our system is already programmable.
So anybody that has a health savings account or a flexible spending account, this is essentially a relationship with a bank where you can only buy specific health-related goods and services from specific retailers at specific times.
MasterCard actually did a pilot program with United Nations We're good to go.
Well, let me ask you about the Trump administration and where this needs to go because I think you and I probably have a very similar conclusion on this.
Personally, I don't want to play the FOMO speculation game with Bitcoin or any coin.
I want a relatively stable coin That doesn't have a lot of price risk, but that is widely usable in everyday transactions.
I wanna be able to go to the grocery store and pay with a privacy coin.
You know what I'm saying?
I wanna be able to go to a farmer's market and purchase with a privacy coin that the government doesn't even know about.
Or maybe it's Bitcoin with a privacy layer or something.
I hear a lot of people, especially those who are kind of newbies and don't really understand the block size wars, they just want Bitcoin to go up and up and up in price forever, but it's centrally controlled, it's an ETF, you don't have self custody.
That's not what this is about, right?
We need something usable.
Do you agree with me on that point?
Well, I agree with you on that point completely.
And when I first heard Roger talk about Bitcoin in 2012, this was the original vision.
And when I started using Bitcoin, that was the use case.
I actually would use it in New Hampshire.
There were many restaurants and retail stores that would actually accept Bitcoin And by 2017, major retailers like Microsoft and Overstock and Expedia were accepting Bitcoin directly.
So this was the original vision.
But without going into all the details about any block size war, clearly Bitcoin has morphed into digital gold.
And so whether people like the idea that it's digital gold or not really is immaterial.
We still need peer-to-peer digital cash.
So if you want Bitcoin as digital gold, that's great.
There are some issues with that, but we still need to have the ability to do day-to-day commerce outside of the control system of the federal government and outside of the control system of the central banks.
And privacy coins offer the opportunity to do just that.
Well, and I'm thinking, I mean, even here at Infowars, the sponsor of the show today, thealexjonesstore.com.
Now, if I were Alex Jones, I would be thinking, hey, I want that store to be able to accept payment in crypto, especially privacy crypto, because that does two things for me as a merchant.
Number one, then my e-commerce provider can't cut me off because of viewpoint discrimination.
Secondly, nobody can surveil the list of customers or trace who is buying products from my store, right?
Because if I'm Alex Jones, I wanna also protect the privacy of the customers that are purchasing from me.
So this is something that's been needed, I think, for a very long time.
I gotta say, I saw you put out something, a little hint on Twitter the other day that you're thinking about some kind of project.
I don't know, a teaser.
I see you have a logo on your screen there.
Karma, I think, is how you pronounce it.
I just want to say to the audience, I'm not endorsing this project at this point.
I don't really know anything about it, but you want to give us a little teaser of what you're working on?
I think it's relevant.
Sure.
So my wife and I have been doing these four-hour workshops all over the country, and we've been showing people how to use alternative currencies, how to use cryptocurrency, gold and silver for day-to-day transactions.
And one of the things that I found talking to merchants is they are concerned about cryptocurrency.
They know the dollar is losing value.
In fact, The dollar's lost somewhere between 25% and 40% of its purchasing power just since 2020. So everybody knows this.
Small businesses know this.
The problem is cryptocurrency prices are too volatile.
And merchants don't know how they're going to be able to spend those on a day-to-day basis.
And so one idea that I'm looking to roll out next year is the idea of a gold-backed Privacy stablecoin.
So what that means is we're combining all of the elements that people love about gold in terms of its stable price and uses money for 5,000 years, but with the best aspects of cryptocurrency.
So the ability to have private transactions, the ability to have low transaction fees, and the ability for the merchant or the consumer, for that matter, to be able to redeem these tokens for physical gold.
So, as the dollar was at one point until France came to Nixon and said, hey, we'd like to reduce these golds.
Yeah, we'd like to load up our ships.
And our Treasury Secretary said, well, that's your problem.
And then we abandoned the gold standard.
The idea is, what if we had a gold-backed currency that was separate from government?
With vaults across the world in different countries where people could actually redeem these tokens for physical gold.
Well, I love the idea.
I think the Federal Reserve will hate the idea, obviously, because they want centralized control.
But it's interesting to me that these currency wars, I mean, think about bricks, right?
So bricks is rumored to be 40% backed by physical gold.
And the other 60% of basket of currencies of participating nations where they do have a distributed but permissioned blockchain.
So not everybody can just chime in with proof of work overrides, but it's still distributed among the countries to do an international settlement token system called the unit, I believe, that is backed 40% by gold.
So what you're saying here with your idea is actually Kind of similar to what BRICS is talking about.
How does China and Russia, if they trade with each other, how do they establish trust, given that historically China and Russia do not trust each other?
And I think they establish trust through this consensus system backed by vaulted gold.
Does that sound right?
I mean, that's one way to do it.
Here's the problem that I have, and this is why I think that we need a decentralized solution separate from state.
It's not as though governments haven't had currencies that are backed by precious metals in the past.
This has happened time and time again.
Martin Armstrong has done a lot of analysis where he would actually collect coins and actually show and document the debasement of the coins.
By the end of the Roman Empire, the silver denarius only had 0.05% silver in it.
And so the thing is, bricks or whoever can say, is there really gold in the vault, first of all?
Which that seems to be an issue.
Do we even have gold at Fort Knox currently?
I mean, we seem to not be passing audits even to this day fully with respect to the United States' own gold supply.
But then it's also possible to issue tokens that are disconnected from the gold supply itself.
So in other words, we could just have digital IOUs backed by theoretical gold.
And so this is the issue that I have.
The issue that I have is in studying currency, the problem It doesn't seem to be whether it's silver or gold or whether it's fiat currency where it's just printed out of thin air backed by IOUs.
The common source of the problem with money is state issuance of the money and the fact that the issuance of the money is tied to government spending.
That literally has never worked as a model.
Right, yeah, exactly.
And that's why Trump needs to understand that this is not just about pumping up the price of Bitcoin.
That's not the utility that America needs.
We need a decentralized financial system in order to succeed economically as a nation.
I hope you don't mind my comedy here, but the chroma glow around your head looks like the spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi in The Empire Strikes Back.
So thank you for bringing that in.
It's great.
That's a positive image.
You're like Obi-Wan Kenobi here today.
I wasn't shooting for it, but if it works, it works.
It works!
Hey, well, we had Bitcoin Jesus earlier, now we have Obi-Wan Kenobi of crypto.
So thank you for joining us with all of that.
Aaron, I completely agree with what you're saying, but I fear that even with Trump coming into the administration, there's going to be so much power and control demanded by the central banks.
The Federal Reserve, the US Treasury, nobody wants to give up power and they can weaponize their system.
They can weaponize prosecution like they've done against Roger Ver.
How on earth do you perceive that the American people could decentralize finance and effectively defeat the con of the Fed that G. Edward Griffin has warned us about for decades and Ron Paul for that matter?
Well, so I mean, I always say vote with your feet and ditch the dollar.
This has actually been my theme for a couple of years now.
I mean, I've been living outside of the banking system since 2019. So it is possible.
It just requires people to be willing to stand up and try alternatives.
And the crypto that I'm talking about, this Karma privacy coin, is built using a blockchain called Zano, Z-A-N-O, which is an incredible technology.
Technology that has really been 10 years in the making with proven cryptography behind it.
And so the way to be successful at this is to out-innovate.
And we know what we're facing with these central banks.
The whole point of what's going on with CBDCs is a movement towards a single global digital currency.
And a complete surveillance state where inevitably all of our transactions are monitored and our behavior is tied to a social credit score and whether or not we have access to money relates to whether or not we comply with the government mandates.
And so the way you defeat surveillance is with privacy, which is why I think projects like Zeno, Monero, and the stablecoin that I'm working on are ways out, legitimate ways out where people can opt out of the system.
Well, I'm a big fan of Monero, just to be clear.
If I have a choice, I always prefer to use Monero over Bitcoin for real world transactions because I don't want to leave a trail of what I did with that money.
Like recently, I donated crypto to the congressional campaign of Dennis Kucinich, by the way.
Former Democrat ran as an independent.
He has an anti-war stance, right?
And we complied with FEC rules.
I filled out my name and everything as required, and I donated the maximum allowable under law, which I think was $3,300 worth of crypto.
But I would rather use crypto for that kind of thing than the banking system.
The banking system could always say no.
Why should I have to go ask for permission from my bank?
Or if I'm wiring money to buy gold, I don't want my bank asking me questions like, what's it for?
What's it for?
I'll tell you what it's for.
It's for none of your damn business is what it's for.
It's buy money, send out the wire, right?
But with crypto, we don't have that problem, do we?
We don't have that problem.
We don't have that problem, but also we used to have an assumption of privacy by default, even with our current banking system and with the dollar, and that has disappeared.
There are now 13 different federal programs that are involved in tracking our financial behavior.
The NSA is doing bulk data collection.
The IRS is now using AI working with banks to analyze all of our transactions.
Through the Patriot Act and the Bank Secrecy Act, they can come in and seize your bank account and then issue something called a national security letter where you can't talk to anybody about it, including your own lawyer.
So this isn't a future CBDC. This is the current state of surveillance of our current system.
So the Fourth Amendment is completely out, has been thrown out the window.
And so we just need to take our privacy back and reassert privacy as a fundamental right.
Well, it seems to me like the Roger Ver case is really the litmus test for the Trump administration.
If they free Roger Ver, that's sort of an indicator that Trump is gonna be pro crypto and support innovation for the whole crypto space, right?
If Roger Ver gets prosecuted, then it seems like that's a sign to all of us that they're gonna come after us next.
I mean, this is a big deal.
Well, it is a big deal, but I live in New Hampshire, and so I was here when Trump came out against CBDCs.
And so Trump has made a statement that he is against CBDCs.
And so I think it's really important for Trump to understand that it's Biden's executive order, which is probably why they accelerated and decided to ultimately go after Roger at the last minute, because Roger is a threat to CBDCs.
So if anything, Trump should be talking to Roger, because if Trump wants to fulfill his campaign promise to stop CBDCs, there is no one on the planet that knows more about this topic than Roger Ver.
Well, and if Trump does decide to either pardon him or tell the DOJ just drop the charges, it's ridiculous.
That would generate so much goodwill, even across independent media, many of us who have been critical of Trump's position on vaccines, for example.
But the goodwill that would engender would be tremendous.
Aaron Day, we're out of time.
Give us your website one more time, please.
Daylightfreedom.org.
Okay, daylightfreedom.org.
And Aaron, keep us posted.
Thank you so much for all that you do.
I've enjoyed getting to know you, and I really appreciate your philosophy.
Godspeed.
Take care.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
All right.
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