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Aug. 8, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Pastor Steve Cioccolanti interviewed by Mike Adams: Faith, End Times...
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And today, I just can't tell you how filled my heart is with the guests that we have today.
Someone who I've admired and listened to for many, many years.
and he has influenced my own work and even the new direction that I'm moving in, which is a very strongly faith-based direction, was strongly influenced by our guest today, Pastor Steve Ciccolanti, who's from Discover Church.
The website is discoverchurch.online.
It's a .online instead of a .com.
And he joins us today from his new home in Florida.
Welcome, Pastor Steve.
It's an honor, sir, to have you on today.
Well, you said very kind words there.
Thanks so much.
You fought for freedom for all of us as well, so I appreciate your work.
Well, I can't even tell you how much we appreciate your work.
My wife and I have watched so many of your sermons, and you may not even know who you're reaching in some of the voices.
You are an influencer of influencers, and you have carried a word of truth and righteousness with the kind of courage that many of us see as very unusual in the traditional Christian church community.
Could you describe for our audience how you're different from What I'm describing as traditional Christian churches that usually don't have the kind of courage that you have.
Well, I guess people ask about that.
It's hard to talk about myself.
What might make me different is I've been to 50 countries, and that just gives a bit of a broader perspective.
So I don't always come at the Bible or at prophecy from an American-centric or Euro-centric point of view.
And I just try to stay humble.
I'm not sure how other people do it, but just always try to go back to the Word of God because we can always make mistakes.
I've made mistakes, you know, and not everything that I learned in Bible school was exactly right as prophecy unfolds, so just stay humble and keep learning.
Well said.
That should be our life's endeavor, I believe.
And if you don't mind me asking, because I think our audience will ask this, for those who have followed you before, you were known for being in Australia for many, many years, and yet you speak like an American pronunciation of English, and physically...
You look like your ancestry may be an interesting combination of the world.
Is it okay that I ask that, and can you answer that?
Yeah, I'm not offended at all.
In terms of my accent, I was born in Thailand, and I am Australian, so I'm half Australian, half Thai.
That means half Caucasian, half Asian.
I guess, like, maybe your kids?
You've got kids?
Well, I don't have kids, but my wife is from Taiwan.
Oh, okay, alright.
If you did have kids, they'd look like me, alright?
Okay, got it, yes.
And then, you know, I came to the United States when I was 10 years old, because my mother remarried an American, and I lived all over the United States, lived in New York, was trained in ministry here in the United States.
But I left because my heart beats for the loss and for the harvest.
So I went and planted a church in Thailand, was part of a team.
That church continues today.
And then the Lord had me go to Australia, which is, you know, my nationality, and I thought I was just going to be on holiday.
That holiday lasted 24 years.
I planted a church there.
And that was in Melbourne?
That was in Melbourne, Australia.
That's right.
So I never lost the accent is, I guess, my short answer.
I never lost, you know, I couldn't keep the Aussie accent, and I ended up having, some people think it's kind of Canadian, some Californian accent, but The good thing about it is, when I go preach in Africa or some place where I need interpretation, the interpreter is always like, thank you, we can understand your English very well.
So I thought, well, praise God.
God shaped even the accent to be something that's useful for Him.
I never thought I was a good speaker.
I didn't have any aspiration to be in front of people or on stage.
The interpreters appreciate my accent, so at least somebody does.
Well, if you don't mind me saying, your style of speaking is very worldly, and it is universal.
Just like the interpreters said, you're very easy to listen to for the interpreters.
And by the way, you can tell I speak...
Bluntly, but with kindness also, I admire what you're doing.
Some of my life has paralleled some of what you have done as well.
But many of the Christian churches in the United States, especially the more southern churches, have a very strong Alabama accent or a Texas accent, which I don't have either, even though I live in Texas.
And that can make it more difficult for international audiences to just attract what the words are, right?
Yeah, but it sounds cool.
Sounds cool to sound Texan.
Oh, well, we could do a whole interview in Texan if you want to at some point.
You can come to Texas, we'll do a Texan, like we'll have barbecue and everything if you want.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, if I hang around a Texan, I start sounding Texan.
It's a very strong accent.
It overwhelms the other accent.
Yes, yes, it does.
God bless Texas.
I'm so happy to be here, and I'm so thrilled that you are in Florida now.
And may I ask, I mean, I can understand Australia during COVID must have been rather horrendous because of the authoritarianism.
I don't know if that was a primary factor for you, but have you spoken publicly about what caused you to make that move to Florida?
You know, I haven't really, so you're asking me.
I don't mind saying it.
I had a prophecy around 1998 that I would preach in the United States, that I would go to all 50 states.
As with all prophecy, I don't try to make it happen.
I never really thought that I was needed here, to be honest.
I look around the United States and I think, you've got the best preacher, the best churches, you've got everybody on TV, podcasts, you don't really need me here.
But around COVID, I'll tell you the story.
What happened was I built our dream home.
I got four kids.
I built a home with six bedrooms.
Everybody's got their en suite.
I had a lake in front of me.
I have solar panels.
I've got water tanks.
I'm ready for any tribulation or pre-tribulation stuff coming down.
And we moved in.
I did the landscaping.
We moved in for about three months, and the Lord said, You will be moving out of here.
Of course!
That was, you know, it's all about a shocker to me.
It's a shocker to the rest of the family.
And again, I didn't try to make it happen, but through a series of miracles, absolute miracles, we were able to come here.
Because I used to have a green card and all that, but I don't have it anymore because I left for so long.
So by a series of miracles, we made it here.
God really confirmed that He wanted us here.
I told when I left the church, which I planted 24 years ago, I oversee it.
I still go back and preach, but I told them, I said, you remember, I'm following God's call.
I'm going by faith.
Nobody invited me.
Nobody opened a door for me.
Nobody made it easy for me.
Nobody promised money to me.
I said, I'm going with nothing.
I left everything, sold the car, sold the house.
I said, now you watch.
God will do it.
God will open doors.
And, you know, this morning I was with General Flynn.
This afternoon I'm with Mike Adams.
Last week I was with Alex Jones.
And, you know, you don't want to name drop, but you want to give glory to God and say, God is able to take care of you, but you've got to live by faith.
At any time when you think you can live without faith, without having to believe God for something that seems unlikely and impossible, you've become stagnant in your faith.
What I've come back to is an entire country that I feel is stagnant because of its lukewarmness, its prosperity, its abundance.
All the blessings that Jesus brought into this beautiful country has become a curse.
It has become a blessing in reverse, right?
Because we've taken all these things and just become massive spiritual consumers, rather than going out, like I think you have and I have.
I've been to 50 countries, and I just go.
If the Lord says go, I drop everything, and I just go for Him.
And I'm here to awaken the United States and awaken American Christianity.
I know it's not popular.
I'm not going to be the most popular speaker in churches around here.
But you've got to wake up and stop squandering the wealth and the riches, and I don't just mean money, but the absolute wealth that God has given to Americans, even the wealth of time.
You know, if you have more time, you should pray more.
If you have more money, you should give more.
If you have the means to travel, you should travel for Jesus, not travel to see more dead relics and museums.
You really should do something about the Gospel.
So that's, I guess, part of the uniqueness of my voice that I bring to America.
Absolutely beautiful.
And I would just add, you will find that you are so welcomed and embraced in ways that you could not have imagined.
Even, for example, just this connection, you and I, and then the other doors that will be opened because of this.
And the people that we know in common, like Clay Clark, for example.
I spoke at his very first Reawaken America Tour event in Tulsa.
That's awesome.
Yeah, at the Raymond Church, right?
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
That's awesome.
I wish I'd been there.
That's awesome.
It was an historic moment.
And I can't even, some things I can't even tell you on camera, some doors that are opening and connections are being made, but you are welcome to the United States of America.
You will be embraced.
Your message will be taken to heart.
And you have a very important role to play for this nation, I believe.
I was shocked to learn that you were coming to America to preach here.
And as much as I love your brethren in Australia, in Melbourne, and I know they miss you dearly, and you will go back and preach there, but you're right.
America is ready for you and your message.
Because it's a message of truth.
You don't self-censor like many of these other pastors.
Can you speak to that?
And I'm sorry about the long question, but many churches are fearful.
Of speaking about anything related to our time, our politics, our economy, anything like that.
But you are not.
What's behind that?
I've been trying to figure that out.
I mean, that's a big question.
Why are people so fearful?
Again, if you have faith, if you believe God, you believe.
I've heard you speak about how we're spirit beings.
We're not just material beings.
So you have to have that at the foundation of your life.
The real us and the real life that we're heading to is eternal life with God.
So what happens here is temporary, but it's very decisive.
What we choose here, the quality of life, the quality of decisions we make here, really determine our eternal status.
I mean, the implications of that are so absolutely profound that you just want to make every day count.
It's hard to live that way, right?
Some people would find that statement very stressful, that you're almost living like Every moment counts.
But didn't Jesus say that even every idle word that you speak, you will give account for?
Every word you whisper in your inner chamber is going to be shouted out on the rooftop.
So I learned that you want to make life count.
I don't know if I'm answering your question on that.
Well, yes, you are indeed.
I mean...
I don't know what your church structure here is in the United States, but even we have an oppressive government with the IRS requirements for churches, the 501c3 church, which is probably not the best structure to use because you essentially have to sign a contract with the government to not speak about any politics or any legislation.
And it seems like, you know, here's Rome persecuting the church again.
Yeah, so we looked into that.
There's a 508C1A, which is an automatic status recognition of church under the Constitution.
We are already tax-exempt and exempt from any censorship by the government.
The 501c3 then came in, and then with the Johnson Amendment, people felt like, I think really, if I can say, the pastors gag themselves.
The Christians censor themselves.
So it's never been tested.
Our ministry has a legal expert, and he said that to his knowledge, only one church has ever lost its tax-exempt status, and they were Proven to be fraudsters.
So I think that people are afraid.
And the answer to your question, I think, is that America has become such a legal or legalistic country, which the Bible calls pharisaical, right?
We're so afraid of lawsuits.
We're so afraid of the law.
We're so afraid of the weight of lawfare, which we can see they're doing to Trump, and only a man like Trump can take that amount of heat and pressure and But most people just don't want it.
They just don't want it.
So, for instance, for us, we had to look around so many places to rent a church because they were afraid.
And they won't tell the truth.
They will say, well, we don't have the...
Insurance for you.
Insurance?
That's not honest, because I have my own insurance.
I have my own ministry and liability insurance, so we are covered.
But they will always answer in a legal way.
We finally got to a church that welcomed us, and then they closed down, because the building was owned by, just happens to be a Jewish owner, and he sold the building.
Then we moved to another church.
All this within a short time.
We moved to another church, and their traditional belief We thought, you know, just like we do, believe the Bible and a bit more traditional than us.
And we were there for just a little bit, and then I got a call, and the pastor said, I'm sorry, one of our online members found out that you're pro-Trump, and they don't want you here.
Oh, you're kidding me.
Yeah, so that's the journey.
So we are living through intensely the fear that clouds over America.
Now, we're not offended by that.
We know people just live in fear.
So imagine if they're afraid of us and we're as harmless as doves, imagine the kind of life that they live, the stress that they live.
Now, I prayed about it.
This is one of the things that I'm teaching people on is pray differently.
It's not the time to pray soft prayers.
So we pray justice.
The way you pray justice is, first of all, you say, Lord, I'm not unjust.
I haven't done anything unjust towards others.
My hand is clean.
So then I ask you, Lord, to be the one to go and deal with that person, whoever it is that might be a troublemaker or a persecutor or a false accuser.
And I pray these prayers over the years, and I've just found they work, they work, they work.
And Christians haven't been taught to pray that in America.
So we pray that for Trump, and that's how I believe that he was spared from the assassination attempt.
We prayed for 1,300, and I think it was 59 days or something like that, continuously for him.
And we pray these justice prayers over Trump.
Let me bring people to your book about prayer, which is on your website, discoverchurch.online.com.
I have it right here.
And it takes you to your book, Get Prayers Answered.
And Pastor Steve, can you explain what this book is about, how to pray more effectively, or how would you describe it?
Yeah, I don't want to write any book unless it contributes something new or something valuable to the Body of Christ, and I know there are lots of prayer books But I felt in my spirit that I had something to say because these are prayers over 30 years, 30 years of praying, that got answers.
Prayers for people who have huge problems, huge bad disease diagnosis, bad court cases, bad marriage, bad divorce, all of those are topics.
So I think that's quite uncommon.
You don't get that normally in a nice little prayer book that you pick up at the airport.
So you go through those topics, and you'll see one of the first topics I've got in there, which is a pre-order, by the way.
It's not yet out, so I'm just giving away a free chapter.
But we'll have prayers against assassination attempt.
We've got prayer called Avenge Me, prayer when you go to court, prayer for family, prayer for your children, prayer for...
So just one by one, alphabetically, the things that you'd normally pray for.
How to pray for your family to be saved is such a big deal.
It's probably the most commonly asked question that I get.
All of my family got saved, meaning they came to Christ, they were born again, within a year of me becoming born again.
So how did that happen in my life?
I know lots of people cry for their own children and their parents to get saved.
And I just share those things.
They're not long, but they're full of scriptures.
Just scripture after scripture.
I don't do things just because I heard somebody else do it.
I want to go back to the scripture because I believe the success in prayer is found in the scriptures.
Yes.
Well said.
Okay, so again, the website, folks, is discoverchurch.online.com.
It takes you to this page right here.
And again, as Pastor Steve said, there's a free chapter that you can get right now.
The book is coming out at some point.
Do you have a rough timeline for the book being released?
You know, I could finish it in two weeks.
The problem is that I've got this urgency to do the timeline of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Everywhere I go, that's the main question that people ask is, when's the economic collapse?
When is the global meltdown and famine?
How soon will the wars end?
So I believe that God's revealed to me the timeline of Revelation very clearly.
Short of saying, I'm not predicting the date of the rapture, the date of the second coming.
I'm purely dealing with practical timeline.
How much time do we have to do Yes.
And we do have some more time, you know, we're not calling, there are people who are like, rapture now, get out now.
I'm not one of those.
But even if it was another ten years, it's a short, short, short time.
So we got a lot, way more to do than any human can handle by themselves.
So we need to band together, and I'm glad to be with you, Mike.
And there's, you know, so many more people that need to work together.
I wish the pastors that you were saying were afraid.
We just get out of that fear.
Nobody's lost their tax-exempt status except one that was proven to be a fraudster.
There's nothing to fear, you know, even if they take our lives.
So we go to heaven forever and ever and get the martyr's reward.
There's just nothing to fear.
Oh, I'm sorry.
But you're exactly right.
You mentioned the church designation that you're formed under the 508C1A. And one thing that's beautiful about our founding fathers and their vision for America...
was telling the state to keep its hands off the church.
And in fact, the very first right that's described in the First Amendment is the freedom of religious expression.
You know, in addition to the other freedoms, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and so on.
Freedom of public gatherings and things like that.
But the church has a special standing and no government can come to you and say that your beliefs don't qualify.
Now, I understand the IRS does have, I think, 14 points where they say These are the characteristics of what a functioning church is, such as having a place of worship, or having a process for ordained ministers, having a youth education program, and so on.
But those are the kinds of things that you and your church have been doing for decades.
They do it anyway.
You do it all the time.
Yes.
So they can't challenge your existence as a church, which means you are free.
You are free in America to preach the Word of God without reservation.
I believe so, but like I said, people are afraid and trying to figure out what, besides the lawsuits, the constant threat of lawsuits that Americans seem to live under, I'm not sure what else.
Is it just ignorance?
Because my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, the Bible says.
And we're living in such an urgent time.
We need to shout from the rooftop, Jesus is coming soon.
Jesus is coming soon.
And the time to play around is gone.
It's gone.
Every move now, you get on the wrong plane, you're in the wrong place.
You know, an act of terror can happen, an asteroid can hit, who knows how many things are coming down.
But I think the blackouts are coming, the famines are coming, and we've got a timeline for it.
We've got to wake up the Church, and we've got to wake up America.
A lot of times I find it's not even the Church, it's just the ordinary American.
Now on church, they do need to get back to a good church, not just any ordinary church, but a lot of times it's those people that have kind of been out of fellowship for a while.
They're on fire, and they're aware of what's going on, and they can't stand the assault on our hearts, our minds, our families, our children, our freedom.
It's time to wake up.
Absolutely, it's time to wake up.
And I feel that in my own heart as well, which is why I'm doing some of the things that I'm doing.
But I think I was deceived about what the church was for most of my youth and my college years and so on.
And like my friends in college and they would mock the Christian group.
And I was told all of these lies and deceptions about what the church was.
And now that I'm deeply reading the like the word of Paul and his philosophical grasp of the issues of his day and realizing that his words could be just as applicable today in 2024 as they were thousands of years ago.
It is it's such a rich universe of wisdom and it's so stimulating.
It's so stimulating.
When I was young, I was told, oh, the church is boring, and you go in and you sit and you sing songs and you read scripture, but you don't know what it means.
None of that is true.
It's really exciting.
Yeah, if you want to go to a boring service, try going into a Buddhist temple while they're chanting.
And they chant in a dead language called Sanskrit or Pali.
I've been there.
They're not even allowed.
Have you?
I have.
I did that in Taiwan.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah, so you really don't understand anything, because even the people chanting don't understand what they're chanting.
And it's a long session, let me tell you, too.
It goes on for hours.
Yeah, so Christianity was, when Jesus found me and I went back into a real church preaching the Bible, it was the most exciting thing that happened in my life, and just to give you a little bit more background, all that happened Even though I was Western educated, I lived in America, I was educated in the States, in Canada, and in France, prior to coming to Christ, nobody in the West told me about Jesus.
It's so strange, but nobody told me about Jesus.
And when the Lord took me back to Thailand, within the first 24 hours, six people, six people told me about Jesus.
Really?
In Thailand?
Yeah.
Wow, were they missionaries or what was their role?
Well, the first three were Thais, and because I can speak Thai, but I made it difficult for them, I just respond back in English.
I act like I can't speak Thai so well, and so I gave them such a hard time, they gave up on me.
The next day, the Lord didn't give up on me.
He sent three Singaporeans.
Of course, you know, Singaporeans are Asians who speak perfect English with their Singlese accent, but they speak perfect English, and so I couldn't use the advantage anymore of using English.
And they just, I guess they wore me down in a good way.
They wore me down with the gospel until I got it.
And I said, yeah, I'm a sinner.
I need to be saved.
And I prayed the prayer.
And this old Singaporean man who was a former Buddhist monk, he had a great story about that.
But he was a former Buddhist monk.
He laid hands on me and he prophesied.
And he said, this one will go to the nations.
And I didn't believe a word he said.
I just thought, you know, I don't mind praying to...
To Jesus, I don't mind being forgiven of my sins.
I didn't understand the profound effect of being born again, but I was born again, radically.
And I stopped doing drugs almost immediately.
I started traveling.
And Taiwan, actually, we were talking about Taiwan, the country where your wife comes from.
Taiwan was the last country I went to before I got saved.
So I made a stop in Taiwan, and then I went down to Thailand.
And that was within the 24 hours, six people told me about Jesus.
Well, that's really interesting.
When I lived in Taiwan, we always saw the Mormon missionaries, and we were very friendly with them, and they would always travel on bicycles in pairs, and they would preach the word of the LDS Church to anybody there.
But I don't know if this is true in Thailand or other countries in the region, but in Taiwan, many of the Christian churches Would welcome new members to their teachings by simply offering free English lessons.
But the English that they were teaching from would be scripture.
Yeah, it's one of the techniques.
Thailand has got, you know, other cultural avenues.
I wrote a whole book about it, actually, How to Reach the Heart of the Asian.
But one way is you can do Thai boxing, Muay Thai camps.
You know, a lot of the Christians are well trained in martial arts.
They reach a lot of young people that way.
That's just the heart and soul of Thailand.
It's part of their culture.
And then you've got to know a little bit about Buddhism.
You know, it's like sending missionaries to a Muslim country and they don't know who Muhammad is or doesn't know what the Quran is.
You would be ineffective.
So we sent a lot of people into Asia and they don't know anything about Buddha and Buddhism.
So I wrote a book.
My first big book was From Buddha to Jesus.
It's still around.
It's been translated, I think, at least seven, eight languages now.
And yeah, so that's...
How I would recommend people reaching out to the Buddhist heart.
Fantastic.
Okay.
Practical question for you, Pastor Steve.
And again, thank you for taking the time with us.
This is incredibly joyful to share this with you and our audience.
For those who wish to support you, it's kind of a welcoming gift to America.
Do you have a donation mechanism already set up for your church in Florida?
Or how does that work?
Yeah, so we are just starting after a year.
We're just starting Partners Club.
And the website for that, or the webpage, should be live this week.
So I'm not sure how soon we air this, but by the time viewers watch it, They should be able to go to discoverchurch.online.com But if it's not up yet, you just go to slash give, and then you can give anything.
Like I said, we left everything that we had in Australia, and we just built this nice little studio here, and we've got a few more things that we're believing God for.
So if you like our ministry, you can partner with it.
You can have a part in the rewards of what the Lord will give us when we're all done and go to heaven.
Okay, perfect.
So discoverchurch.online.com is up right now.
And I see the donate now.
And also, Pastor Steve, I would ask if you can give us a shipping address because we have many things to share with you, physical things that we need to ship you from our store.
But also, it's very interesting because There are so many passages in Scripture, especially the New Testament, that speak about this, but to be a good steward of resources is to distribute them, to help others in need.
We have been blessed with this enormous, just this steady incoming flow of physical goods, pallets upon pallets of physical goods donated by some of the partners that I've helped promote, For no money, just they send us thank yous.
And in my local community, I have been tirelessly working to distribute these.
I'm not even keeping up with it.
I always put cases in my car, and then when I see people, a restaurant owner the other day, here, have a case of chlorine dioxide from the Safrax company that sends us all this.
We have so many valuable things to send to you.
Some of which I can't even really say here, but I would love to give you that gift to say welcome.
Well, we are very honored.
You know, I don't expect anything free, but it's wonderful when people so enter the ministry.
And I thank God my electricity didn't go off during this last hurricane that just came through Florida.
So I was blessed.
In fact, if you looked on the map, That Hurricane Debbie, you can see one white part where there was no hurricane?
That's my house.
The center of that is my house.
So God's really protected us.
But of course, we believe in what you believe in.
We believe in all the good health supplements.
Quality of food is degraded.
We believe in prepping.
We believe in getting clean water and having extra energy in case the grid goes down.
Since we just came here, we're learning about all these things.
Please educate me and tell me what you use.
Well, we have things that...
I know that if I put them into your hands, that your growing community there, you will know whose hands they need to go into next.
And that's a beautiful thing.
And that's what we're all into.
And it's so interesting.
And it's so true that...
When we are taught that we are to be stewards of resources, and not to hoard, not to live under a status of greed, or to think that money is the aim, or what is it, you know, 1 Timothy, I think chapter 6, that, you know, you know the verse better than I do, but that the love of money is the root of all types of evil.
And you think about, in fact, I want to ask you this, you know, the stock market situation that just happened earlier this week.
We saw people panic.
Oh, I'm losing my virtual dollars and the numbers on the screen are getting smaller.
And I'm thinking, I mean, I don't mean to be judgmental, but what about your priorities in life?
Like, might there be other things more important than the numbers on the screen, actually, in this time?
Maybe I'm too harsh, but you can say it more gently.
What are your thoughts?
Well, people have a lot of their heart wrapped up in money, that's for sure.
And when you ask them to give, you can see that's where their life is at.
But the way to be free from that is just be like what you're saying, be a generous person, be an open-hearted person.
The way I say it is, you know, God will pour out blessings to you, but your heart is the container.
So, how much of your heart is open?
The more open your heart is, the more you can receive blessings from God.
The more you keep shutting your heart, He's still pouring out.
It's still raining down on you, but you're containing very little.
So, when your heart is so wrapped up in money, instead of with relationship, with people, then your heart closes up.
You've got to open your eyes and open your heart towards people that God brings into your life.
And then money and resources will not be a problem.
They kind of just get attracted to an open heart.
In terms of practically speaking, the stock market falling, it's going to fall, and you're going to have an October surprise, but it is not the end.
It's not the time of the U.S. dollar collapse.
I understand we're all waiting for something to happen, but I'm going to be the voice that says, for many years I've been saying the dollar is only going to strengthen.
This week we saw the collapse of the Japanese yen, and what does that mean?
It means the U.S. dollar is stronger and stronger.
So, this is just, you know, pre-election jitters and jitters from Japan, but the total collapse where we're talking about mass famine, billions of people dying, that's coming, I think, in a couple of years, at least two and a half to three years away.
So, I know that other people don't say that, and they're panicking, but I'm not panicked at all.
I woke up today and I said, I bet you they're going to have a bounce, and of course it's back to a bounce up 300 points or something.
You don't panic over that.
Just go and pray and spend more time with God, I think, if you panic over something so small.
Well, I think that's very wise, your take on that.
And I want to ask you this question anyway, which is that it's always very difficult to know, especially about the prophecies in the Bible, to what time period were they speaking, or were they perhaps speaking to multiple audiences spanning different time periods, because history repeats.
But in our world today, how would you compare it when you see the Paris Olympics and the mockery of Christ, the mockery of the Last Supper, While at the same time the Olympics bans any Christian symbology from the athletes.
You can't have any Christian symbols, but you can mock Christ in the opening ceremony.
That's the official position of the Olympics right now.
How do you think that the perversion and the...
The negativity, the preying upon children, all these things.
How do you think that compares today to, let's say, the era of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Are we not as bad yet or way worse?
How do you make that comparison, if you do?
I don't know if you know, but I lived in France when I was a teenager.
I speak French, and I lived in France, and I know a bit about French history.
I believe that France is more the spiritual center of Europe than, say, Ukraine.
We've got a lot of interest in Ukraine right now.
I don't think that prophetically has as much impact as France.
France is the place.
So, for instance, go back 1789.
France had a revolution, and they were just as hedonistic, atheistic, secularistic then as they are now.
They were always that way.
When we were moving towards freedom in 1776 and towards God, they were moving towards secularism and humanism, and the goal of the French Revolution was, number one, destroy the monarchy, and number two, destroy any trace of Christianity.
That was 1789, so we're not...
It's not new.
It's exactly what France is about.
France has been about that for a long time.
However, you go back further, and now I'm going to get my dates a little bit wrong, but let's say in the 700s, immediately after the death of Mohammed, Within a hundred years, Islam was already at the door of almost at Paris.
And it was the Battle of Tours that halted them.
So again, France, France, France.
You always look at France.
Don't look at Ukraine, you look at France.
Spiritually, why was it there?
I don't know, but I know that it was in France that Islam, in 700 A.D., was stopped from taking over Europe.
So France is the one to look to.
France used to be a bastion of Christianity and I guess stopped the Islamic invasion, but now it's very secular because of that 1789 revolution and that's the path they're going.
So now we're at 2024 and you see the gross, blasphemous attack on the Last Supper On Christians, on Jesus Christ, on family, transgender display.
They changed that, for those who didn't see it, I think most people would have seen it, but they changed the Last Supper scene to a Drag queen.
Celebration.
Yeah.
So, obviously disgusting, but nothing surprising.
When I lived in France 20-odd years ago, they were like that.
When I went, I was not born again.
Not 20, it was like 30 years ago.
I was not born again at that time, but I always had a respect for God.
It was just something that was in me.
And I would go into the churches there, and I would be the only young person there.
And that was 30 years ago.
Wow.
So the churches are gutted out.
The churches that are vibrant today in France, and some listeners may be French and can correct me, but as far as I know, they're probably populated by the African Christian migrants and African Christian pastors.
So the local people have totally been brainwashed by French secularism.
When you study the French philosophers, Albert Camus and all these other people, Descartes, it's all the same thing.
It's an attack on biblical values.
Yes.
No surprise what's going on now.
But for an American, it's disgusting because we have a much more Christian foundation.
So we consider this so despicable that it's Sodom and Gomorrah to us.
It's coming here as well, you know, so we're not much better.
To whom much has been given, much is required.
Well, your microphone just cut out just now.
Wait a minute.
Are we back on?
Oh, it's back, yes.
Okay.
Sorry about that.
Don't know what happened.
No worries.
I was just saying that, I was quoting the scripture that to whom much has been given, much is required.
I think that the judgment on America is going to look a lot worse than France simply because we've had more Christianity, more churches, you know, even...
Alexis de Tocqueville came from France and looked at America 250 years ago and said, wow, what makes America great is that America's good, and what makes America good is what's preached in the pulpits.
The uniqueness and the exceptionalism of America is not found in its rivers or mountains or economy, it's found in the pulpits of America.
So I think America's going to see a much worse judgment for the same kind of sins that You know, discuss us during the Olympics.
And I'm not defending the French.
I'm just saying we were given much more than them.
We're more, in a way, a more beautiful country than they are, and we're just destroying it.
Well, I completely agree, and I would add that in any nation, you get the culture that you're willing to defend.
And the church, the early church of America was strong in its convictions.
It was strong in holding its ground and setting boundaries and saying no when the nation strayed from those boundaries.
But what we're witnessing, and please correct me if you think I'm wrong about this or whatever you have to add, but across Western Europe, France and the UK, what's happening right now, and other European countries as well, Germany, even Romania, Poland to some extent, What you're seeing is this complacency among the Christian churches.
This has been going on for a long, long time, and this unwillingness to stand for anything.
And then you have this younger, more hungry Islamic group, mostly young men, who are not obese.
They're fit, they're energetic, they're impassioned, they're willing to die for their beliefs.
And they are just steamrolling across the UK right now, not to mention France.
But doesn't that speak to what happens when your church refuses to stand for the Word of God?
Of course, yes.
And I would add to that that the church has been influenced by third-wave feminism.
So the church stands as a feminine figure in Europe, and Islam is all masculinity.
It's all testosterone.
And we used to associate the picture of Christians, right, used to be knights.
Knights were the Christians, right?
A man who was willing to lay down his life to defend his wife and children and his country.
And now, you know, it's...
What is it?
Pastors are the guys in skinny jeans and what's the little slogan that...
Who says that?
I don't know.
The smoke screens and the skinny jeans.
That's what I heard.
Smoke screens and skinny jeans.
And it's just this feminizing of the pulpit, feminizing of the church.
And I understand that there was a feminist movement, but now it's gone way off to the extreme.
It's a frontal attack on fathers and men and boys.
And Europe has that.
Europe absolutely is feminized, and so there's no chance of Europe winning against a testosterone-filled masculine religion.
They have to change.
I don't think they will.
I agree with you.
France is lost.
I think Germany is lost.
I went to Germany a couple of years ago as soon as the COVID lockdown finished.
We have pockets of supporters all over in different countries.
I think almost every country we go to, we'll find supporters of our ministry and watchers.
But I thought, let's go to where Martin Luther preached.
I visited his church in What's-the-town-now.
Now I'm forgetting.
Is it Gutenberg?
So wherever it was, we were there.
And then I thought that we would be welcome in the churches there.
And our watchers said, you know, the only meeting that they could organize for me in Berlin, you know, in the capital, was a house church.
And that was a wonderful house church, but it was just, you know, it was amazing that here was the center of the Protestant Reformation, and now you can hardly find a Bible-teaching church that would welcome Bible prophecy.
Wow.
Well, I printed out part of Matthew 24 here because that's a verse that a lot of people are familiar with, and I didn't print all of it, so I don't recall which verse that talks about the persecution of the church.
And do you believe that right now in our time that more people are being drawn to the church because of the desperation of the times or for some other reason?
I mean, Your church is going to blossom.
I hope you know that.
You should know it.
Everybody knows it.
Your church is going to blossom.
I've had great receivings from just any time I talk about faith, and it surprised me.
I thought I would get a lot more criticism, but I haven't.
But why are people turning to the Word of God more right now in your view?
I think it's the time.
It's certainly the time for an awakening.
When we go with General Flynn and Clay Clark, the tour is called Reawaken America, so there's a season.
Now, what I'm here to define is, what are we awakening to?
And what I believe we're awakening to is not just the endgame where Jesus comes back, but He comes back to do what?
He comes back to judge the living and the dead.
We don't like that word, judge, anymore in the American culture.
Nobody judges anything.
But if I put it this way, he's coming back to bring justice.
He's coming back to right the wrongs.
And before he comes and ultimately does that, the Church has to awaken to the concept of justice.
We have to become just people.
We have to become agents of justice.
And then we have a people that are ready to welcome him.
Because it's an absolute shocker to the American church.
If Jesus comes back and does what he does, I bet you a lot of the church-going people would reject Jesus.
You're probably right.
He's very just.
And he's not as soft and user-friendly as the American church has made him out.
They've got one part of His nature, but they've totally hidden the other part of His character, which is He is the designated judge of the universe.
He is the designated king, the chosen king by His Father, God the Father.
So we need to then awaken American Christianity towards justice.
This is my explanation for why Trump is Trump and why he's there.
Forget about his marriages.
Forget about his casinos.
He's never going to be a good pastor, right?
So let's agree on that.
But you know what it is?
He is an agent of justice.
He's an agent of justice.
He's done this over the course of his life.
When he sees injustice, he'll even get out of his car and try to intervene.
These are stories about Trump that he never promotes himself.
I guess he's humble in that way.
But because he's braggadocious in other ways, people just don't see it.
He is an agent of justice.
And because he wasn't fully committed to justice in his first administration, we went through these three years of deception, one more year of this.
We can't wait for it to be over.
And he's going to come back now, understanding the pain and the suffering of the ordinary American who has lived under the tyranny of lawfare, the regulations, the oppression of the amount of laws in this country that's used against its own people.
He has now woken up to that.
It's become personal.
This is so true.
He should have done a much better job with the three justices that he was given to nominate on the Supreme Court.
And in my book, "Trump's Unfinished Business", somewhere here, "Trump's Unfinished Business", I wrote "10 Prophecies to Save America".
One of those chapters is about the court.
"10 Prophecies to Save America".
One was about the court and what he should do, And in simple term, he should stay away from all the establishment.
Do not trust any of them and appoint an outsider to the Supreme Court.
He had three chances and he didn't do it.
So when he called for election integrity, they would not even stand by him.
So that was in the book before it all happened.
Yes.
Well, incredible.
You have so many books and many sermons, I believe, also on your website.
Can people purchase the downloads of your sermons?
Is that available?
We're working on it.
So the website that's in Australia is discover.org.au.
You're able to download a lot of that stuff, and it doesn't matter that it's in Australia.
So discover.org.au is the Australian website.
Americans won't like it simply because you're paying an Australian dollar.
So we are, in fact, this very week working on uploading more of the content that Americans want and paying in U.S. dollar.
Already something is up at discoverchurch.online.
That's the U.S. website.
So we're working.
We need more help.
As you said, you have some resources and people who can help.
We certainly need some help with the website.
But it's getting more beautiful.
It's getting more functional.
So we are definitely trying to serve the people better.
Outstanding.
And yes, we also have editorial staff.
So after this, if I can get a contact with your team and we can also help you announce as you have these things available, we can help share that word.
And we're almost out of time for today.
I greatly respect your time with us.
There's just two things I want to add here.
I forgot to mention this earlier, but one of the things that I believe helped me be ready to really understand Scripture is the fact of being persecuted for so many years.
And I believe that so much, it's part of the Christian experience to suffer persecution.
And if I had never been censored and attacked and defamed and slandered all these years, I don't think I could have understood, you know, like Job's questions, for example.
I could not, I had no frame of reference until this time, but right now we're all being persecuted as Christians.
And so we see the truth in the words.
Any comments on that?
Well, you hit the nail on the head and you preached the sermon.
You gave the answer for me.
When you ask, what makes me different?
Well, it's because I have suffered.
And 1 Peter 5 talks about that, that the Lord will establish you, perfect you, strengthen you, stabilize you.
After you have suffered a little while.
So suffering does a lot.
Suffering is the greatest preparation for a minister.
If you haven't suffered, the quality of your sermon and content is just going to be different.
And I went through all that suffering and censorship with YouTube and with just other ministers.
We did all that.
But you know, if you just forgive them, God always looks after you.
You know, and he'll bring us up.
So, I mean, our YouTube channel now is even bigger than before.
Obviously they censor us.
Obviously we're getting not as many views as we used to get when we had only 100,000 subscribers.
Now we've got 400,000 subscribers and sometimes you can't find a video.
But you just know you're not playing on a level playing field.
You know that they're unfair, they play dirty.
But you forgive them anyway, and then you learn to pray justice.
And that's where we've got to change.
Not only just forgive, But also, bring God's justice to bear.
How do we do that?
And Psalm 149 says, to pray the written judgment.
So anything that's written in the Bible, we can pray that judgment over the situation.
So that's another reason people should go get the free chapter from...
DiscoverChurch.online.
You just do a slash I pray and I'll give you a free chapter of these prayers.
I really want people to pray stronger.
Be more confident to pray for the things that bring God's presence and God's proof of God onto the earth.
Well, in fact, that's the one final thing I wanted to ask of you.
I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds and I've never asked this of any guests, but your words are so powerful.
Would it be appropriate if I asked you to offer a small prayer for our audience and for For their embracing of you, welcoming you to America, but blessings upon all of us in this country so that we might save this nation from destruction.
Yeah, well, if I may, I'd like the audience to pray and make sure that you come to Jesus.
If you're not sure yet about your salvation, Everything we're talking about points to the final end that Jesus is coming, and He's coming for a holy people.
So we can't meet a holy God if we have sin in our life.
So I just pray this.
If you would just receive, repent of your sins and receive the Lord, just pray this.
Dear Heavenly Father, please forgive me of all my sins, past, present, and in the future.
You know my heart and my life.
I surrender to you.
I believe that Jesus sacrificed his life on the cross and only his blood can wash away my sins.
I believe after three days he rose again from the dead.
I ask you to accept me, write my name in the book of life, and use my life in the time remaining.
I offer it to you, Lord.
Thank you for making me part of your family.
In Jesus' name I pray.
Bye.
Amen.
And I just want to pray over you.
If you're listening, you're already a Christian.
If you're sick in your body, if you're going through injustice and trouble, Father, I just pray, Lord, that a miracle would happen in each person's life, that they would know no weapon formed against them right now shall prosper.
Every tongue that is rising up against them in judgment, we condemn.
We have this authority because we are servants of the Lord and we have the name of Jesus.
Thank you for showing yourself strong on behalf of the listeners today.
Show yourself real today in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Amen.
Thank you, Brother Steve.
And bless you.
It's a pleasure to be with you.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you for your effort.
Please keep us posted so that we can share your announcements and books and everything else with our audience.
We welcome you.
Welcome to America.
And we, together, we're going to save this nation.
Amen.
Hallelujah.
We came to see a revival happen here.
100%.
All right.
Thank you, Pastor Steve Ciccolanti.
Everybody, the website is discoverchurch.online.
I pray will take you to that page with the book.
There's a free chapter, I understand, that you can download down here.
In addition...
A lot of new announcements coming, ways to download sermons and pay for them in U.S. dollars or make donations to the church and so on.
We will keep you posted here at Brighton and Natural News and in my own podcast as well.
Thank you, Brother Steve.
God bless you.
Have a wonderful rest of your day.
Same with you.
God bless you in Austin and what you're doing there.
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