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June 24, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Roger Stone tells Mike Adams why TRUMP WINS in November

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	Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today our guest is the one and only Roger Stone, joining us from, of course, his website, StoneZone.com.
	And he joins us for, I think, what's going to be a fascinating interview because, I mean, just to start out with, he is being dragged through the mud with a bunch of hit pieces now based on something that he said at Mar-a-Lago that makes perfect sense to me.
	But, Roger, welcome to the show, and you want to start with that?
	Yeah, Mike, first of all, it's great to be back with you.
	Several months ago, I was at an event at Mar-a-Lago.
	It was actually a Catholic event.
	And I was talking to a couple of young ladies, and evidently one of them was surreptitiously, actually illegally in the state of Florida, recording me.
	And I had the audacity, Mike, I'm absolutely busted.
	They caught me red-handed, advocating that every possible legal and technical aspect of the 2024 election be employed to make sure that we have a free, fair, honest election.
	And this, of course, has been distorted almost immediately by the usual suspects, Rolling Stone, the Daily Beast, news breakers, and now the mother of them all, MSNBC. And of course, they distort what I said.
	Stone reveals stunning plan to steal 2024 election.
	I mean, it's laughable nonsense, but it is amazing how all these fake news media outlets We're good to go.
	Within the last week in Detroit at the Turning Point USA conference at a conservative caucus meeting outside of Chicago.
	And then yesterday in Las Vegas, took the red eye back.
	So if I look a little trade around the edges, you'll understand.
	Well, Roger, thank you for sharing this with us.
	I look forward to your response.
	But as you know, most of those media outlets that you mentioned are losing audiences.
	Many of them are losing money.
	Some are laying off, or a lot of them are laying off staff.
	And some are probably about to shut down in the next year or so.
	They're really desperate.
	And isn't it interesting that, you know, recently the videos of Joe Biden kind of wandering off zombie-like, They were described by the White House as deep fakes or cheap fakes.
	That's fake.
	When you have a video of Joe Biden, that's fake.
	But then they say when they have a video of you, it's no problem for them to take it out of context, which is what they accused conservatives of doing with the Joe Biden video, which was not taken out of context.
	So it's like they play these games with you, but they don't follow their own rules.
	Mike, you're exactly right.
	If you can smell it, what you smell is desperation.
	In this particular case, a progressive Filmmaker, documentary filmmaker, who goes by the name of Lauren Windsor, actually on the payroll of the Democratic National Committee, I posted those documents yesterday,
	violated Florida law, where we're clearly a two-parted state, to make a video in which I didn't say anything that I haven't said in public, which is the Republican's And the Trump effort need to do an excellent job of election integrity.
	That means that you have lawyers standing by.
	You have availability to the courts if you need to file an emergency motion.
	You remember that night in Detroit.
	had the Republican observers physically removed.
	Yes.
	The Detroit police.
	Now, the proper procedure would have been to go directly to a judge to get an emergency order to request an emergency order to stay that process.
	But of course, that didn't happen because the Michigan Republican Party was not prepared.
	So, there's really no controversy here.
	I was talking to Jack Posobiec, who looked at the video and said, gee, all you've really done here is advocate for election integrity.
	That is precisely the point.
	My lawyers are taking a look at whether or not I have a lawsuit against Ms.
	Windsor, she kind of runs with that Rolling Stone, MSNBC, Molly Jong Slo.
	I like to call her a crowd.
	But they're very arrogant.
	The law, as you know, is only for us.
	It's not for them.
	They violate the law with impunity, it seems.
	Well, it reminds me of when the group in California, I forgot their names, when they recorded a video interview with an abortion clinic where they admitted to selling baby parts for money and violating numerous laws and that.
	Well, Kamala Harris at the time began the prosecution, I believe, of those individuals.
	And again, I'm sorry, I don't recall exactly their names at the moment, but you see what I'm talking about.
	They will prosecute when somebody exposes an abortion clinic, but what about in Florida?
	Will the AG of Florida level criminal charges against this person that you say violated your rights in Florida?
	Well, Mike, it's hard to say.
	Look, I'm not an attorney, but I did look at the law.
	I think it's a Class 3 felony, actually.
	We'll find out.
	I mean, certainly I will pursue legal action, not because I said anything wrong, not because it was a gotcha moment, but because of the illegal act which led to this distortion.
	Whether I have an action against those fake news outlets that took what they probably knew, Secret and therefore illegal recording to smear me.
	Well, I'm going to take a look at that as well.
	You have to fight fire with fire, but they're going insane because I said in my remarks that yes, you need to be prepared to access a judge if there's violation of the law.
	Sorry, but there's nothing wrong with that.
	That gets interpreted too.
	Stone has obviously rigged the judge in the Florida documents case.
	I did say, and I stand by this, that I still think in the end that case gets dismissed.
	Now, that was my opinion, and I stated it in the video.
	Although the judge in that case did dismiss a motion to dismiss the case, did reject it, I should say.
	I still believe that when she scheduled the broader hearing into the legality and legitimacy of Jack Smith's appointment, that that could indeed lead to the dismissal of the cases against President Trump in both Florida that that could indeed lead to the dismissal of the cases against President So I may yet be proven right about that.
	But now at this point in America, venturing an opinion, if you're a conservative or if you believe in health freedom or if you're a free thinker or a libertarian, there must be something wrong with you.
	Roger, there's something I don't understand here.
	It's that you can say things that, in my view, are very minor compared to the more public dialogue that's taking place.
	And the media likes to jump on you like you've committed some kind of horrible crime.
	And yet every day people are saying, you know, far more aggressive or assertive things.
	For example, attorney and former Green Beret Ivan Raiklin, you know, put out a video not that long ago saying, you know, there's going to be mass arrests of 80,000 traitors or something.
	I forgot the exact number.
	And these mass arrests are going to be live streamed, you know.
	And I think it's sort of implying after Trump gets into office.
	Now, Trump isn't endorsing that kind of claim, but that's something that Ivan Raiklin said.
	And he was that video was very popular.
	I mean, I commented on that video.
	But what you are saying is so minor, you're just calling for election attack.
	Why are you like a magnet for all the hit pieces when you're not even saying anything crazy?
	A couple of reasons, Mike.
	First of all, I'm clickbait.
	In other words, Rolling Stone, which is on the verge of collapse because no one's reading it, laying people off and so on, they're desperate for the revenue that comes when people click on their fake news.
	So that is one of the answers.
	I am so despised on the left, I'm a guaranteed click by these fascist freaks who despise me.
	That's one reason.
	The other reason, I like to think, is because I'm pretty effective.
	I'm a veteran, as you know, of 13 national Republican presidential campaigns.
	I know something about the art and science of getting elected and doing so legally.
	And therefore, they think they can hamper my involvement or my effectiveness or maybe even shut me up like they've tried to do to our good friend Alex Jones, like evidently they're trying to do now to the folks at the Gateway Pundit.
	I just read an incredible case there where the bankruptcy trustee appears to now be abusing that process as they did with Alex Jones.
	Could it be because the Gateway Pundit is one of the most influential conservative news outlets out there?
	I think that's the one thing we all have here in common.
	As it is with Alex Jones, this is about shutting me up, silencing me.
	They would like to silence me in some way.
	Maybe they think I can be intimidated.
	Perhaps they don't remember the FBI raid on my home at 6 o'clock in the morning.
	I don't intimidate very easily.
	Well, Roger, that's a great line.
	You don't intimidate easily.
	If anything, they're amplifying your voice because of all these attacks.
	And you mentioned Alex Jones, and I was reminded of a headline, I think that it was in The Atlantic just recently, something like, Alex Jones lost everything and he's still winning.
	And it's like, yes!
	Like, you can't stop Alex Jones.
	You can take away whatever bank accounts.
	You can take away intellectual property.
	You can't stop Alex Jones.
	You can't stop Roger Stone either.
	But they never learn from this, do they?
	They just keep thinking they can silence everybody.
	I know what you say is absolutely true.
	Look, if they took away Alex Jones' studio and all of his equipment, you and I both know he'll stand out on the street corner with a bullhorn and continue to speak the truth.
	That's right.
	He's a force of nature.
	He's a true patriot, and he's never going to stop exposing the truth.
	As we both know, he's turned out to be right about so much, certainly far more than he turned out to be wrong about.
	But you see, we're a threat to them.
	We're a threat because they liked the situation they had in 2020 when they had a monopoly on discourse.
	If they can silence you on, say, Facebook, Instagram, in the old days, Twitter, TikTok, and so on.
	And by the way, I'm still banned on all those sites with the exception of X, formerly Twitter.
	But frankly, I'm grateful to Elon Musk that I have my voice back.
	I do think there's some odd disparities in the number of people reading and following myself.
	And that's not even all the time.
	But nonetheless, they really do intend to use the exact same tactics of cancellation, of censorship that they used to steal the last election.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, Roger, you may or may not be aware, but we filed a significant lawsuit against the federal government on Memorial Day.
	And we're suing the Department of Defense, State Department, Homeland Security, Mallorcas, and Google, and Meta, as well as NewsGuard and Twitter.
	And we're suing Twitter for the reason you mentioned, because they still shadow ban most of us, including Alex Jones, by the way.
	It seems like the censorship industrial complex is being exposed more and more every day.
	There are also more and more alternatives that are doing very well while the establishment left-wing media is losing money, laying off staff.
	But isn't it interesting, Roger, you know, the only way that Alex Jones goes bankrupt is through lawfare.
	But the way the left-wing media goes bankrupt is because they suck.
	You know, really.
	Nobody believes them.
	And what you say is true.
	You see, it's not...
	For example, the Biden administration can post doctored employment figures.
	They can post doctored inflation figures.
	I had a great conversation with Barry Habib, who's one of the most respected experts on the mortgage market and the housing market, and also a brilliant economic analyst, and he pointed out to me exactly how they manipulate these numbers.
	But what really matters is how people feel.
	It's not some statistic which is abstract for them.
	Either you can find affordable housing or you can't.
	Either you can find a full-time job or you can't.
	Either the dollar, when you take it to the grocery store, buys as much as it used to or it does not.
	So the Biden administration and their handmaidens in the fake news media can keep telling us everything's great, but the American people have caught on to the fact that none of that is true.
	And that's why I think you see this resurgence by Donald Trump, who, despite this Effort in the fourth year of Joe Biden's presidency to weaponize the court system against him, the criminal justice system, has bounced back and is in a highly competitive campaign for president with a slight lead.
	Now, as I said when we were out in Detroit, great event, by the way, Turning Point USA, Alex Jones showed up as a surprise guest, which is I might imagine Mike was a huge hit because he's a martyr for this movement.
	I think our greatest danger here right now is overconfidence.
	The greatest danger is thinking that, oh, this election's in the bag because, well, Trump's ahead and so on.
	I'll give you an example.
	In 2016, turnout among evangelical Christians was about 78%.
	In 2020, turnout among evangelical Christians was down to 63%.
	I think many people thought after the economy rebounded, after the COVID-19 pandemic, that Trump would win easily.
	And of course, that was not the case.
	So I think if there's any real danger today, it is the danger of overconfidence.
	I do think we're going to win.
	I pray about it because I think we could use a little help.
	I've been very open about my redemption in the blood of the cross and the fact that, yes, I say the rosary every night and I'm praying for specific people.
	Alex Jones would be a perfect example of them, but there are others.
	My list seems to get longer and longer.
	It starts targeting more and more of my friends, like Jeff Clark, for example, who was at the Justice Department.
	They're seeking to destroy him.
	Rudy Giuliani, another good man, they're seeking to destroy.
	I pray for all these people, and I pray in the final analysis, Mike, I pray for victory.
	I really pray for the physical protection of the president and his family.
	As you know, the first book I wrote, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, is about the Kennedy assassination.
	And I make a pretty comprehensive case that Kennedy was murdered in a plot that involved the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service, the acquiescence of the FBI, Big Texas Oil, organized crime, and others.
	So if they did it once and got away with it, which very clearly they did, I think it is conceivable that they could try it again.
	I know that Tucker Carlson may be the first guy to bring this up.
	It's delicate because it's so unpleasant.
	No, to those folks over at Media Matters for America, Roger Stone did not just to predict the assassination of Donald Trump.
	See, that's the kind of distortion games they like.
	Of course.
	But it is something we need to be praying about because these folks are desperate.
	You just made reference to it, speaking about our friend Ivan Ricklin, who's a good friend of mine.
	No, we're not seeking revenge.
	That's not what this is about.
	What it is about is equal protection under the law.
	I was charged falsely, very much like the case in New York with Donald Trump, with lying to Congress.
	In my voluntary testimony, when I had no motive to lie because there was no underlying crime to lie about.
	No Russian collusion, no WikiLeaks collaboration.
	Government never produced any evidence that those things existed.
	In fact, in their final report, Robert Mueller admitted that he could find no such evidence, that I had committed no crime.
	So they were able to prosecute me on the narrow process crime of lying to Congress and Even though to be guilty of the False Statements Act, your false statement has to be willful and it has to cover up or be connected to some underlying crime.
	This is identical to what happened to Donald Trump in New York, where they take these financial transactions, which at worst would be a misdemeanor in a business records case, And they catapult that into being a felony, even though they can't identify what the underlying larger crime is, almost identical to my case.
	And the more I looked at it, the more I realized that my case was the template, was the dry run for the prosecution of Trump.
	We were both subjected to an unconstitutional gag.
	Our trials were both handled by By hateful, biased judges, my judge attacked Alex Jones and Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson from the bench during my trial because evidently the judge felt that she can't be criticized.
	Roger, what's extraordinary about this, and thank you for that explanation, and that's fascinating that you're talking about how your case was a template for the prosecution of Trump.
	But what you're revealing here is exactly why there's so much more love for Trump across America today.
	Because that court case, those 34 felonies, I believe it was, anybody who looks at that case realizes that The justice system has failed.
	It's been turned into fraud.
	It's been weaponized against our president, President Trump, who I would say actually won two elections so far already and is about to win a third one, most likely, in terms of the actual voting of the people.
	But that's my opinion, not necessarily yours.
	But what I'm saying is that this is backfiring against Trump.
	I mean, you've got centrist people now saying, this is crazy.
	If we don't support Trump and reform or, let's say, restore the proper functioning of the judicial system in this country, we have no constitutional republic left whatsoever, and then it's not safe for any of us.
	Whether you're on the left or the right or the center, whether you're white, black, gay, straight, whatever, if the government can be weaponized against you, you're not safe in this country.
	More and more people are realizing that.
	I completely agree with that.
	When I spoke to the conservative caucus outside of Chicago the other night, I went through all the similarities between my case and the case against the president.
	The refusal to to move the venue, the refusal, for example, to to lift the gag order and so on.
	And I said to the crowd, just remember, if it happened to me, and it happened to Donald Trump, well, then it can happen to you.
	That's right.
	That's precisely what's happening in the country.
	People are waking up and realizing that there, but for the grace of God, go they, go them, Did I get my pronouns mixed up there?
	I'm not sure.
	You're allowed to mix and match pronouns now.
	You can throw in, like, fairies and angels and everything else now, too, whatever you want.
	It's all good.
	Unicorns.
	Unicorns.
	So, here's the real question, Mike, and that is...
	Since these folks have a great tendency to overreach, just as they've overreached on these attacks on me today, any reasonable person who goes and listens to that video will see that everything I said was perfectly legal and proper.
	It's what the Republicans didn't do in the last election that they need to do in the upcoming election.
	Which is to use every technical and legal advantage that they possibly can to win, to ensure that we have a free, fair, honest and transparent election.
	But here's the real question.
	With sentencing coming up, will they put Donald Trump in jail?
	Will they incarcerate him?
	Only days before the Republican National Convention.
	What do you think?
	Will they?
	I think they will.
	You see, if this is about election interference, and it is, what could be a greater act of election interference than to deny him the ability to go to the convention to accept the nomination and give his acceptance speech?
	That would be quite extraordinary.
	I personally think it will be overreaching extraordinarily and it will backfire even worse than what they have already done.
	But they have no sense of proportion because they're demented.
	They are so disturbed by Trump derangement syndrome that it clouds their political judgment.
	And I think they're going to overreach, which could in effect Only help Trump in the final days.
	Now, we also have this debate coming up, which is, I must tell you, unheard of.
	First time we've had a debate prior to the national conventions.
	Donald Trump and Joe Biden at this point, while they may be the presumptive nominees, neither one of them is at this juncture the legal nominee of their party.
	And I think this upcoming debate It has enormous risk for both of them.
	So you have two huge events here, which I think are going to greatly affect this race.
	They think that those things are going to affect Trump negatively.
	I actually think in the end they're both going to affect him positively.
	Well, it's pretty clear to me, and thank you for that analysis, I agree with you.
	I think they're going to put Trump in jail.
	That's going to backfire in a spectacular fashion.
	And during the debates, it's clear to me that all Trump has to do is carry himself in a presidential fashion.
	Don't fall for the bait.
	Don't become an attack dog.
	He's not even going to be allowed to interrupt Biden like what happened four years ago, roughly, because the mics will be turned off.
	All Trump has to do is just tell the truth about the failures of Biden's economy, the success of the Trump economy, and just behave in a presidential fashion.
	Then I think he wins.
	I mean, wins the debate.
	I agree with that.
	See, I think this is a tactic that went wrong.
	In other words, I think Joe Biden and his handlers don't want him to debate for all the obvious reasons.
	So they said, well, we'll challenge Trump to meet us in this CNN debate and He will clearly see that it's a setup and he'll decline.
	And then we can say, okay, well, that's it.
	You see, we offered to debate him.
	He refuses.
	There'll be no debates.
	I think they were shocked when Trump quite fearlessly kind of jumped right in and said, okay, I said any place, any time, I'll be there.
	I'm not sure that he focused on the disadvantages, but if you have Jake the fake tapper and Dana Bash as the moderators, so when you combine them with Joe Biden, that's three on one.
	The good news is I think Donald Trump can handle all three of them if he has to.
	Of course, they could turn his microphone off, but again, that would be overplaying their hand if they choose to do so.
	They might say, well, you have to appear in an orange jumpsuit because you're a felon now.
	I mean, it's become a mockery of the normal electoral process, right?
	But the more that that's exposed, I think the more...
	Americans come to their senses, at least those in the center.
	They come to their senses and realize how far gone this republic is and how critical it is to bring it back.
	And also, whatever the question is, all Trump has to say is, how much are you paying for groceries, folks?
	How much are you paying for car insurance, health insurance, business insurance?
	I mean, come on.
	Biden's economy is a disaster.
	And it's obvious.
	That's not something you can hide from people, because people buy groceries and pay insurance premiums.
	So you can't hide it.
	Just minutes ago, I saw a headline in the story.
	I haven't had a chance to read it yet.
	14% increase in homeowners insurance here in the state of Florida.
	I think you're exactly right.
	Here's the fundamental problem the Democrats have.
	They cannot possibly run on their record.
	Because their record's a disaster, as we have discussed.
	So they're going to run on Trump is a convicted felon, January 6th, the recycle of all that.
	They want to take away a woman's right to an abortion.
	In fact, they already have.
	So they distort what the Roe v.
	Wade decision actually did.
	And the evergreen, let's not forget this one, the Republicans want to cut your Social Security.
	I guarantee you that.
	Those are the four planks of their platform.
	Notice that they're all negative.
	They cannot talk about The economy, they cannot talk about peace and prosperity.
	They have nothing whatsoever positive to run on, so they have to run a completely negative campaign and a campaign of distortion.
	The abortion issue is a perfect example.
	The Roe v.
	Wade decision...
	moves the decision regarding the regulation of abortion back to the states.
	But I guarantee you, their advertising is going to tell people that those evil Republicans have ended a woman's right to choose, which might, although you and I might wish for that, that's not what has happened.
	Well, okay, you name a lot of great examples there, but Trump has answers for all those issues, and also, of course, Trump has recently announced that he's going to end federal taxation on tips for the service industry, and it got a lot of buzz about that, because tips are really gifts from individuals.
	But my response to that, Roger, and I agree with ending taxation on tips, but why stop there?
	Why not announce a complete end of all personal income federal taxation?
	Because the government doesn't need personal income taxes to fund anything when the government can just print the money out.
	Although we understand that it has consequences, but the left doesn't think it has consequences.
	They think you can print money into oblivion, you know, MMT, that debt doesn't matter.
	So if debt doesn't matter, why do you need our money?
	Right?
	You raise an excellent point.
	Let me say two things.
	One, having just been in Las Vegas, staying in a casino hotel, talking to the service workers in that hotel, all of whom are Democrats, all of whom belong to a union that's going to tell them to vote for Joe Biden, I found that every server I had was enthusiastic about Trump's proposal.
	It made a huge difference to them.
	Some of them are getting minimum wage plus tips, and that's what they're living on.
	So I think it was a masterstroke.
	And then secondarily, it's funny you say that, Mike, because...
	The other day, the president mused about the fact that maybe we could make up for the revenue that we're currently getting in income taxes through tariffs.
	So he's actually floated the idea of doing away with the income tax.
	So you and he may be thinking in the same direction here.
	Well, yeah, there are a couple of ideas for replacing the, quote, revenue of the federal government, but the best idea, which probably Trump would not propose, is shrink federal government by 90%, and then you don't have a revenue problem.
	But you could replace it with a national retail sales tax.
	Tariffs is another idea, but money printing is what they're doing now anyway.
	I mean, fascinating economic discussion, but Roger, I want to ask you about a couple of black swan type of events, because there's still quite a bit of time between now and Election Day.
	Some major things can happen, and let's start with Ukraine and Russia, because, of course, Russia, well, Putin, roughly a little over a week ago, he laid out essentially the final terms of Ukraine.
	Let's say peace or surrender by Ukraine.
	Ukraine is now essentially a failed state at this point.
	It's completely subsidized by the West in order to function and even pay its own salaries and pensions.
	And the West immediately rejected Putin's terms, said, nope, we're not going to do that.
	So it looks like things in Ukraine could unravel catastrophically over the next couple of months before the election.
	If that happens, I mean, I guess two questions to you, Roger.
	Do you think that that might happen?
	And if it did happen, what would be the impact on the election, you think?
	You know, again, we think very much alike.
	A couple things.
	First of all, I was very surprised to go to my email the other day and get an email from a reporter with The Spectator who told me that I was listed as one of the enemies of Ukraine.
	I saw that by this by the non-government organization, which claims, by the way, that both the idea that there are bioweapon labs in Ukraine or that the 2014 change of government, there was a coup.
	Those things they claim have both been debunked.
	And I think you and I both know neither one of them have been debunked.
	Right.
	And look, once again, we signed an agreement, the Budapest Memorandum, back at the time that the Russians agreed to the unification of East and West Germany.
	We specifically signed an agreement with the Russians not to push Ukraine into NATO. We then did a second agreement, the...
	There's a second set of accords there that we signed.
	We're in violation of both of those treaties.
	This issue is not about the desire by the Russians to seize all of the control in Ukraine.
	This is about the fact that Putin objects to putting NATO missiles pointed at Russia on his border.
	And he's been very, very clear that NATO's membership or taking Ukraine in is his line in the sand.
	Yet our Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, who, by the way, is about as good at playing the guitar as he is at statecraft.
	He insists they're going to do exactly that in September.
	Yes, I do think these people will go to a world war if they think it can be helpful in stopping Donald Trump's return to the White House.
	And perhaps they think, to answer your second question, That Biden would be strengthened if he's seen as a wartime president.
	I think they're wrong on that second point.
	But they're entirely capable of starting a world war if necessary.
	And I think it is a very, very real danger.
	All right.
	Thank you for that analysis.
	I would just add that there is...
	Less and less willingness among U.S. lawmakers to continue to fund Ukraine.
	And Trump, in particular, said that if he's elected, he would – I think he said he would halt this war before he's even sworn in in January.
	Now, he may be right about that because he is an outstanding negotiator, dealmaker.
	And part of the problem of the current Biden administration is that nobody, you mentioned Blinken, nobody knows how to negotiate.
	They don't even recognize negotiation or diplomacy as the wheelhouse of possibilities.
	All they do is they just bludge in the world like do what we say or we bomb you and assassinate you and kill you and sanction you.
	That actually doesn't work.
	I believe Donald Trump could come in and do a deal for peace and stop the bloodshed in Ukraine, stop the war with Russia, and by the way, let me add, I think he would save Germany's economy.
	By having peace and allowing Germany to do energy deals with Russia again, without which Germany is toast in terms of its industrial economic output.
	And much the same is true with France and other countries.
	So go ahead, your response to all that.
	Just to correct myself, so we'd be in violation of both the Budapest Memorandum and the Minsk Accords, the two agreements that we assigned agreeing not to push Ukraine into NATO. Here's the strange thing.
	We don't even have any ongoing peace talks.
	Based on wide reporting, I think there are at least three opportunities to end this conflict and stop the killing.
	And they were all vetoed, not by the Ukrainians, but by our State Department.
	So they have no interest in ending this conflict.
	They have no interest in stopping the horrific killing on both sides.
	Trump, I agree, would...
	Use his negotiation talents to end this conflict almost immediately.
	Ironically, Joe Biden blurted out a long time ago at the beginning before the hostilities actually began that he would have been willing to give up certain parts of Ukraine.
	And then I guess they reeled him back in.
	One of the most interesting things.
	About Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin, which was fascinating.
	Look, he's a very wily guy.
	I'm, you know, I had...
	Relatives, members of my family, mowed down by Russian tanks in Budapest in 1956.
	So being called a Russian stooge is really insulting.
	Just because I think the United States should live up to the two treaties that it signed here is an outrage.
	But the most interesting thing, I think, that Putin said was he would meet with at least two American presidents Who would agree to things, and then when they went back and talked to the Central Intelligence Agency, and he was very specific about that, they would come back to him and said, no, I can't do that after all.
	Putin said, maybe I should be negotiating directly with the CIA. This middleman who doesn't seem to have any power.
	I think he was referring specifically to Obama and George W. Bush.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Very insightful there, but we should really watch the situation closely, I believe, because...
	I mean, number one, Zelensky, his presidential term has run out.
	So he's no longer the elected representative of the nation of Ukraine.
	So Russia says we won't negotiate with him.
	And as I understand it, the Ukrainian parliament also, which currently, constitutionally, has the power to negotiate on behalf of Ukraine, I believe their terms run out in the next couple of months.
	I believe in August sometime.
	So it's very...
	Fluid dynamic there of who can even negotiate on behalf of Ukraine?
	Is any agreement even binding?
	And how much just BS is Putin willing to put up with when the Western forces never keep their word and always lie anyway?
	I think Putin has shown enormous restraint, in all honesty.
	We have to recognize he's got his own political problems at home.
	My guess is he's got a bunch of right-wing generals who say, Vlad, why are you screwing around here?
	We have tactical nuclear weapons.
	Why don't you use them?
	Thank God he has not done so.
	But I think he's hoping to find an administration with whom he could settle this matter and stop the killing.
	I was thinking back to Caitlin Collins' attempt back during the New Hampshire town hall with Donald Trump saying, well, do you want the Russians to win?
	I think she asked him.
	He said, no, what I want is to stop the killing, which I think was the perfect answer.
	At the same time, Notice they keep telling us that this fight is about preserving democracy in Ukraine.
	Ukraine, where Zelensky has had all other political parties other than his outlawed, had all of his major political opponents locked up, has closed down newspapers, radio stations, television stations, has arrested journalists, and as you know, has actually banned the largest church in the country.
	That doesn't sound to me But it does sound like a model for the Democrats in America, by the way.
	I mean, that's the test case.
	That's exactly what they want to do here.
	Sadly enough, you're absolutely true.
	The other thing I'd like to touch on, Mike, which I've come to a conclusion about, and I've studied pretty extensively, I now absolutely believe that a vote for Robert F. Kennedy is a vote for Joe Biden.
	If you analyze the data in the swing states, And in the 60 counties that are going to be crucial, there is just no question that a disproportionate number of the votes that Kennedy gets come from people who would otherwise vote for Donald Trump.
	You can test a three-way race, and then when you ask them if Kennedy was not in the race, you can see the movement back to Trump.
	So while it is not true in every state, I think, and it's not true even, you can't make a blanket statement for the country, but you can make a blanket statement for the swaying states.
	And look, Kennedy is a pretty smart guy.
	He talks about health freedom.
	He talks about closing the border.
	He talks about his opposition to the war in Ukraine.
	He doesn't mention that he's for abortion on demand.
	He doesn't mention that he once proposed that anybody who doesn't agree with this cockamamie climate change nonsense should be locked up.
	He doesn't talk about his proposal for reparations for slavery.
	He doesn't talk about the cost and the necessary tax increases some of his programs would take.
	So I think at this point he's a wild card.
	As you may have seen, tried to argue that he should have been included in the CNN debate.
	He claims that he is on the ballot in enough states to theoretically win 270 electoral votes.
	I think that's an overstatement.
	I don't think that's true.
	He's got a little better on ballot access than I thought.
	But then I read these stories in Politico this week that says that his fundraising...
	It's going very poorly.
	Not the fundraising for his PACs, where he does have some big million-dollar donors because they're allowed to give without limitation.
	But the fundraising for his presidential campaign, where donors are subjected to a limit, is not going well.
	Now, there are two people who, under the federal election law, Could fund his presidential campaign without limitation.
	He is one, but he doesn't have that kind of wealth.
	His running mate, Nicole Shanahan, who was up until yesterday a defund the police Soros type leftist, is extremely wealthy.
	But the irony of that is And she could fund the campaign since she's on the ticket.
	She could fund the general election campaign without limitation.
	She's supposedly worth, you know, billions of dollars.
	She goes on X and other social media outlets complaining about Internet censorship.
	She neglects to mention that the greatest single proponent and progenitor of information manipulation and censorship is her ex-husband, who was one of the founders of Google.
	Let me put it another way.
	Every penny of her immense wealth came from censoring people and manipulating data on the Internet.
	So she's really concerned.
	About these issues, maybe she should have a word with her ex-husband.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well said.
	And by the way, for me, the deal breaker with RFK Jr.
	is very simple.
	Who would he put as nominations for the Supreme Court?
	because right now, today, so many of the victories that we have, and there are not that many legal victories, but the ones that come from the Supreme Court, such as the recent bump stock ban being overturned by the Supreme Court, that is because of the Trump nominees to the such as the recent bump stock ban being overturned by the Supreme And even the overturning of Roe versus Wade, which actually, as you mentioned earlier, just gives the power back to the states to let the individual states decide for themselves how to handle that.
	It doesn't enact a nationwide ban on abortion.
	But that decision was also because of Trump nominees.
	So to me, the office of the president, you know, that duration, it's much shorter than another Supreme Court justice or multiple justices that might come in.
	And from what I have seen from RFK Jr., his choices would be absolutely disastrous at the Supreme Court level for the future of our republic.
	No, I think they would be hardcore leftists.
	It is kind of comical to see this effort to try to discredit Justices Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito.
	Yet we learned yesterday that Judge Katanji Brown took in millions of dollars that she failed to declare on her financial disclosure forms.
	But once again, the left has no problem with that.
	That's not an issue.
	If it weren't for double standards, these people would have no standards whatsoever.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	All right.
	Let's cover the heat up of the situation in the Middle East because there have been some developments here.
	And this is also another potential black swan type of event.
	So I'd like your analysis on this.
	First of all, we have Netanyahu putting out a video.
	You know, a couple of days ago, saying that he's very unhappy with the Biden administration, saying that the Biden people refused to deliver the promised weapons and materials that Netanyahu describes as necessary to finish the war with Gaza.
	At the same time, then, you have now a breakdown of negotiations between Israel and Hezbollah, where Israel is telling the Lebanese and Hezbollah groups to leave southern Lebanon.
	And Nazrallah and Hezbollah says, you can't tell us where to live.
	Go pound sand.
	And it looks like in the IDF announcing we are ready for war with Hezbollah.
	So Israel, under Netanyahu, is about to pivot north and open up a new front in the war.
	Nasrallah says if they use Cyprus air bases to attack Beirut in northern Lebanon, then we'll attack Cyprus.
	And then that's going to get the attention of Iran and Russia and the U.S. Navy and everybody else.
	So there's the groundwork for that.
	It sounds like a disaster in the making to me.
	What are your thoughts on it?
	Well, we know historically the Israelis have been responsible for a mass genocide previously in Lebanon.
	They appear to me to be on the cusp of doing it yet again.
	Again, none of this would be happening if the Biden administration wasn't trying to have it both ways.
	Donald Trump had really starved the Iranians from any funding through the very tough sanctions.
	While they have oil, they couldn't sell it anywhere.
	So they didn't have the money to finance their nuclear weapons development program.
	They didn't have the money to finance terrorism by Hamas and Hezbollah.
	And you had a relative calm period, particularly the Abraham Accords, the Saudis aligning themselves with Israel.
	Trump made substantial efforts and I think progress towards peace in the region.
	The Biden administration is so naive or so stupid or so corrupt that they somehow thought that giving 100 plus billion dollars in frozen assets back to Ukraine, that that would not be used to fund terrorism and to fund attacks that that would not be used to fund terrorism and to fund attacks on Israel and to restart Wait, you mean Iran?
	Correct, yes, Iran.
	I misspoke, pardon me.
	So had they never done that, I don't think we would have this this horrific situation.
	Biden is is desperately worried about the Jewish vote in the United States, which traditionally is the most most monolithic and solidly democratic constituency.
	I think based on the fact that Harry Truman was the Democratic president who founded essentially the state of Israel and there.
	But he's also, I think, also concerned and he should be about the fact that Muslim Americans have key constituencies in states like Michigan and Minnesota.
	He can't win without those votes.
	So he's very much trying to have it both ways.
	And he could blunder us into another world war here.
	It's complicated.
	But I do think that it's just as dangerous as the situation we just went through regarding Russia and Ukraine.
	And Netanyahu is not going to be restrained by Biden.
	That's why Biden is trying to hold back the weapons.
	Once again, this one I think is a little more difficult.
	In Russia, in the Russia and Ukraine situation, you're negotiating with two peoples who would like to live.
	In this case, The Iranians and these Islamic extremists, they have no problem dying as long as they get to kill Israel and the United States.
	So how do you negotiate with someone when they start off with that point of view?
	That's a really important point.
	I'm glad you mentioned that.
	And I want to bring attention to the...
	It's a very delicate balance that Trump has to walk here because you do have Muslim Americans in many swing states, like you said, in Michigan, who are completely fed up with what they call Genocide Joe.
	And even though most of those people recognize that Trump is very friendly to Israel, friendly to Netanyahu, friendly to the military-industrial complex, they're so sick and tired of Genocide Joe that...
	They're willing to vote for Trump just to change the guard, so to speak.
	Because, you know, I guess in the minds of many Muslims in America, they're like, who could be worse than Joe?
	We're going to vote for Trump and then try to pressure Trump to get us to peace.
	I think that's what they're thinking.
	I agree with that analysis.
	The other thing that's interesting here is you may recall Because a New York Post reporter leaked an off-the-record conversation with Robert Kennedy, where Kennedy seemed to imply that he believed that the COVID-19 virus had been engineered in such a way to be less lethal to people who had Jewish heritage.
	That sent Bobby Kennedy into overdrive.
	He went out, I think probably paid Rabbi Schmoley, and took the most radical pro-Israel position he could take.
	The progressives, if you want to call them that, in the Democratic Party, all they did was take off their Antifa or Black Lives Matter t-shirts and put on their Palestinian t-shirts.
	And he is anathema to those people.
	He has taken such a hard pro-Israel stand.
	So he has no entree to the most progressive elements of the Democratic Party.
	Another reason why I believe the great danger he poses in this election is not to Biden, but to Trump.
	It's kind of a...
	A side aspect of the Middle East situation.
	Great point, but then how does Trump then sort of remain open to the Muslim American vote, but also not anger the Christians, especially the evangelicals who tend to be very strongly in support of Israel?
	I mean, those seem to be on really opposite ends of the spectrum, but Trump needs to appeal somehow to both of those groups.
	How does he do that?
	I don't have the answer to your question.
	I agree with the problem that your question implies.
	I'm not certain how he does that.
	Again, I think his highest priority is to stop the killing.
	But in this situation, I think he's going to find that more difficult because of the intransience really of both sides.
	Well, I would offer, Roger, I mean, just from my view, one answer would be, Muslims buy groceries too.
	And what's happened to your grocery prices, you know?
	It's like, hey, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Catholic, everybody buys gasoline, insurance, groceries.
	I mean, again, it's the economy, stupid, right?
	I mean, we're back to the Reagan era now.
	But we're seeing the kind of disruptions happening.
	In the Democratic Party that we saw in 1968 over the Vietnam War, when they had that fundraiser with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and Joe Biden at Radio City Music Hall in New York, the protests were enormous.
	And Mike, those were not conservative Republicans out in the streets.
	Those were progressive Democrats chanting Genocide Joe.
	They have a very serious political problem, and I actually don't think for them it is soluble.
	You're right.
	Trump has to walk a very delicate balance here.
	It's not easy.
	In the end, however, what may happen is a number of those Muslim American voters may stay home.
	They may just not vote.
	They would normally be habitual Democratic voters.
	Trump may be too close to Israel.
	They're more outraged by Biden, however, who's actually financing the Iranian war machine.
	So they may stay home.
	That's what actually I predict happens in swing states.
	Minnesota's close.
	Michigan is a swing state.
	Minnesota is also single digits.
	Suddenly, interestingly enough, If you're trying to add 270 electoral votes, Trump seems to have a very real prospect to expand the map, meaning he's going to be competitive in Virginia, which he wasn't last time.
	He's going to be competitive in New Jersey.
	He's going to be competitive in Maine, interestingly enough.
	All of those are intriguing to me, also potentially Minnesota.
	Okay, excellent analysis, Roger.
	Tell us about your website, stonezone.com, and what people can find there.
	You know, Mike, I appreciate that.
	Stonezone.com.
	You can go there to see my daily show, The Stone Zone, which is on Rumble at 8 o'clock every evening.
	You can see print pieces and other interviews that I've given.
	There's the piece about the fake undercover video, a great piece I picked up from InfoWars right there.
	It's a nothing burger, I assure you.
	Rolling Stone wouldn't tell you that.
	But it's funny, Mike, over the holiday weekend, my IT people said we had an extraordinary set of attempts to hack and close down our site.
	Fortunately, we had taken precautions in terms of protective software.
	But at the same time, Alex Jones mentioned to me that he also, that same weekend, had an extraordinary number of attempts to close him down.
	So I think that we're fending them off.
	Everything Roger Stone is there.
	Stonezone.com.
	You can go buy any of my books.
	You can get my Iconic Roger Stone did nothing wrong t-shirt.
	I put up...
	The other thing I'd like to do is if I see a really good piece written by someone else out there that I think is not getting sufficient coverage, I kind of curate and aggregate pieces like that as well.
	By the way, it's 100% free.
	You can subscribe.
	Go to StoneZone.com and check it out.
	Also, we'll tell you in advance...
	Who's going to be on my weekend 77 WABC radio show?
	WABC radio in New York is one of the most powerful AM radio signals in the country.
	It may be Perhaps with the exception of KABC in Los Angeles, may be the most powerful.
	In fact, may be more powerful than KABC now that I think about it.
	And I do a show there from 4 to 6 o'clock Eastern Time every Sunday.
	So you can see who's coming up.
	Last weekend I had General Michael Flynn.
	This weekend I have Congressman Burleson, who is the congressman who has put forward the motion that would essentially void The legitimacy of the January 6th committee report, which would affect avoiding the subpoenas.
	On Bannon.
	And Peter Navarro and so on, which is, I think, a very gutsy move.
	Well, I fully support that effort.
	I think that is exactly what needs to happen because we know the J6 committee was theater.
	It was staged.
	You don't have to tell me.
	Yeah, I know.
	You're Roger Stone.
	I don't have to tell you.
	Very specifically, there's a witness there, Cassidy Hutchison, testified under oath that President Trump instructed Mark Meadows to call me and General Flynn on the 5th to find out what was going to happen on the 6th.
	Mike, there is no such phone call.
	I've never talked to Mark Meadows.
	In my life, I think I maybe met him once in a green room back when he was a congressman, but neither Flynn nor I had any contact.
	That's so burning perjury.
	The videos they showed of me were doctored.
	The video they showed of their hearing was different than the video they leaked to CNN, but they had the exact same audio track about that.
	No, it was a fraud upon the people, and interestingly enough, The Speaker could actually do this in a much easier way.
	There is a subcommittee, a committee within the House.
	It's called BLAG. That's the acronym.
	I don't remember the formal name, but it is comprised of three members of the majority, two members of the minority.
	It could right now decertify the legitimacy of the January 6th Committee report, which would solve the problem.
	Of these subpoenas to Bannon and Navarro.
	I don't think the speaker is going to do it.
	So Burleson and others have teamed up to do it the hard way through legislation.
	I really, I like you.
	I support that effort.
	I hope that it is useful.
	When I was in Detroit, and you know this, Mike, I've had my problems with Steve Bannon.
	I'm not going to recount the things he did in my trial that upset me.
	But the Bible teaches us to forgive.
	And I'm, you know, half Sicilian, so that's very tough.
	But the right amount of prayer and a lot of reflection, I have forgiven Steve Bannon, and now I'm actually praying for him.
	Because there are legitimate constitutional issues surrounding his subpoena.
	The president's lawyers and the president himself specifically instructed him on the basis of invoking the executive privilege of Aspect of it that he could not testify, that's a legitimate grounds for appeal that he has been denied.
	Well, yeah, and again, the point here is it's a two-tiered system of justice because Hillary Clinton can ignore all subpoenas.
	She can destroy evidence, wipe servers, destroy emails.
	Nothing happens to her.
	But Steve Bannon, they just want to throw him in jail during the election cycle here.
	Frankly, you know, Roger, they would love to throw you behind bars.
	They want to put Trump behind bars.
	They put Navarro and others.
	They want to put Alex Jones behind bars, but they just can't find a crime that they can invent, you know?
	They had Owen Schroer behind bars for a while.
	This is about silencing the political enemies of the current regime in power.
	That's exactly what it is.
	You know this.
	Our audience knows this.
	Everybody observing it knows this.
	And this is what happens in, you know, Banana Republics.
	And here we are.
	I agree entirely.
	I could not agree with you more.
	So if you're Merrick Garland or, say, Eric Holder, you can just ignore a congressional subpoena.
	You don't have to show up.
	That's right.
	If you're Steve Bannon or Peter Navarro, you're going to be incarcerated for doing that.
	That's it.
	It really is.
	It's so transparent.
	It's absurd.
	So Nixon's tapes are not protected by executive privilege.
	And the courts and the Democrats demand that they be made public, and they are.
	Yet, they don't want to release the audio of the interview between the special counsel and Joe Biden.
	Oh, we put out a transcript, they said.
	Well, guess what?
	Nixon published a transcript, too.
	That wasn't sufficient.
	So the same people who were howling to make Nixon's tapes public, which ultimately brought him down, now don't want to turn over Joe Biden's tape.
	Yeah, of course.
	Talk about hypocrisy.
	Well, Roger, your analysis, as always, is spot on.
	I think what you have to contribute to this conversation about history in the making is really, really valuable.
	And I hope that Team Trump watches this, hears you, hears us, and I hope that we can restore this republic.
	And this election is, I believe, the most critical one in our lifetimes.
	So thank you for joining us today.
	Mike, thanks for having me back.
	And in the meantime, I urge everybody out there, Pray for America.
	Pray for our country.
	When I asked Donald Trump whether he prays for himself, he said, no, I don't pray for myself.
	I pray for America.
	That's the Trump I know and love.
	Okay.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We should all pray for America and pray for Trump's safety as well.
	So the website, folks, is StoneZone.com.
	Be sure to check that out.
	Check out Roger Stone's books, articles, interviews, videos, and so much more.
	Again, it's all at StoneZone.com.
	And thank you, Roger, for joining us today.
	It's been a pleasure.
	Thanks, Mike.
	Thanks for having me.
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