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	Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Alright, welcome to today's episode of Decentralized TV here on Brighteon.com, our free speech platform.
	Thank you for joining us today.
	And you're going to love this show.
	We've got a great guest.
	And also, before that, let's bring in Todd Pitner, my co-host.
	Welcome, Todd.
	Great to see you today.
	Hola!
	Really, really looking forward to today's show.
	I think it will go down as my favorite of all time.
	Just saying.
	You have done more show prep for this guest, I think, than ever before.
	I mean, you're almost antsy about this.
	Well, it's just because I've been listening to Adam for so long and have been enjoying his content.
	He's amazing.
	I love he and John.
	Well, now you've given it away.
	In a way, our guest today is Adam Curry, and I think I'm going to be an instant fan and listener of his shows.
	He has the No Agenda podcast, which is at noagendashow.net.
	And in addition, he is the creator of what's called podcastindex.org.
	We'll talk about both of those projects, but welcome to the show today, Adam.
	It's great to have you on.
	Oh, man, the bar has been set so high.
	I'm very worried about Todd's expectations now.
	I don't know if I can live up to it.
	Well, hey, now, do you two know each other before this?
	No, I've just been a fan.
	Are you sure?
	No kidding.
	Didn't we meet in jail?
	I thought there was some moment there.
	It was the post office when we both had to do the side profile shot.
	That's what it was, yes.
	We're all family.
	We're all family.
	Well, now, Adam, I have to admit, I don't know nearly as much about what you do as Todd does, so he's going to be asking more questions, but I can ask the first one, which is give us a little introduction for our audience and why you believe in decentralization or democratization of knowledge and power, let's say, to the people and what you do that coincides with that.
	Well, the easy start to that is my background, which is mainstream television and radio.
	Started my career in the Netherlands, where I grew up, although I'm American.
	We moved there when I was seven.
	Worked in pirate radio for a while.
	Built my own transmitters, which was incredibly fun and educational.
	Went from there to actually enter the Dutch broadcast system, which...
	At the time, it was completely government-controlled.
	That system still exists.
	It's very similar to national broadcasting systems like you see in Canada or in the UK or even Australia.
	Since then, they have gotten commercial broadcasters.
	But having lived, A, in a socialist country, B, under that type of broadcast regime, and then starting a career in the U.S., where I was at MTV for seven and a half years, And I know intimately how mainstream works, how it functions, how everything is really intended to sell you something.
	That's really the bottom line.
	But also radio.
	I had a syndicated radio show.
	I worked a lot at Z100 in New York.
	And it was...
	I think in around 93, 94, I saw the internet.
	Well, I actually was on the internet since 87, but saw the capabilities of potentially broadcasting over.
	I wasn't quite sure how that was going to happen and left MTV to start my own company.
	That became a company that built big corporate websites.
	sites that we built all the websites for Anheuser-Busch, for Continental Airlines, for Reebok, you know, a lot of marketing, but a lot of content creation.
	And, you know, very slowly as, you know, broadcast light capability came available, was more and more interested in that.
	And then in, really it started in 2000, but in 2003, I was working with a guy named Dave Weiner who was building weblogs.
	He invented the weblog.
	Really?
	And created this protocol, this format really called RSS. And I convinced him to add a piece to it that would make – it's kind of like sending an attachment to an email document.
	And that's what we now know as the enclosure in podcasting.
	We had that system running between the two of us and on his software for a couple of years until I saw my first iPod.
	And so this is 2003, and I immediately went, radio receiver.
	I saw it exactly for what it was and then started recording.
	Really, I mean, I had this little script that I used, an Apple script, and so you could receive my program.
	We didn't have a name for it.
	We didn't have the podcasting moniker for it, but it was a program that I could put out there in a blog post.
	But the iPod would see that as a radio show.
	It would see there was something new, would download it.
	Back in the day, your iPod had to sync to your computer.
	So, you know, your computer really downloaded it and then synced it to the iPod in the morning.
	Your new show was there.
	And I needed developers to come in and start making applications.
	We didn't have cell, you know, we didn't have smartphones or anything at the time.
	So we had computers and we had applications, programs.
	And so I started with the first, arguably first podcast called The Daily Source Code, which was really about these developers and what they were doing.
	And we were kind of learning as we were going along, you know, what is it like when you first subscribe to a podcast feed?
	Even the concept of subscribing, all these things were kind of developed amongst this group.
	And that went really fast.
	The first people to show up who really understood what was happening here were what I affectionately call the Godcasters.
	These are guys like, hey, wait a minute.
	I'm paying for airtime on local public access or whatever, radio airtime.
	Now I can have a program that will come to people as they subscribe to it when it's ready.
	So they showed up.
	A lot of public broadcasters, NPR, BBC, and that kind of snowball went really, really fast.
	Then In 2006, I got a call from Steve Jobs and he wanted to talk.
	And so I checked my calendar and made sure I had some time for Steve Jobs.
	I've spoken with a lot of people, interviewed a lot of interesting people.
	he was one by far one of the most up there with Quincy Jones, interesting people.
	And we spoke for about an hour and, you know, he said, Adam, I, I would like to build radio receivers for you.
	Are you okay if I put this in the iTunes and on the iPod?
	And I went, yeah, pretty cool.
	And he also built, you know, I would say like the radio dial, which was iTunes, which is where you could find stuff.
	Um, as you know, at that point, they're probably five or 6,000 different podcasts and we had a directory and so gave that to Apple.
	They use that to kind of see their own directory.
	And when they launched, He actually played a piece of my Daily Source Code when he launched that, which, you know, great show, man.
	He knew exactly what he was doing.
	The whole thing was just brilliantly done.
	I was very impressed with how he launched all that.
	And if you actually see that video, it's funny because it was on stage with Kara Swisher and Walt Mossberg.
	The Wall Street Journal.
	And, you know, so he plays a bit of my podcast and I say something about the Mac, like, and I use an expletive.
	And it's funny and it's kind of anti-Apple and Steve is laughing.
	And the first thing Kara Swisher said was, right, we have to have a way to filter that out, right?
	We can't, you know, right off the bat, we can't have bad words.
	So that was kind of like a...
	Things to come was already obvious at the introduction.
	So that's always been on my mind.
	I started the podcast with John C. Dvorak, The No Agenda Show.
	We just celebrated 16 years together, which is the longest gig I've ever had.
	It's probably the same for him.
	We deconstruct media.
	We're both from media, so the biggest amplifier, the biggest bullcrap machine in the world is the media.
	It's a lot of fun.
	We probably play between 40 and 50 little clips.
	Wow.
	We can tell you what's going on.
	We understand where it's coming from.
	We have built up a large audience, which we call producers, and there's a reason for that because we've never taken advertising or corporate money.
	We've always worked on what we coined the value-for-value model, and that's very simple.
	It's like we give you the show for free.
	There's no paywalls.
	There's no gatekeepers.
	There's no subscriptions.
	If you find any value in this Work that we do, which is about three hours twice a week, then send us whatever it's worth to you.
	And you can do that with time, talent, or treasure.
	And so the producers, literally, we've never built a website.
	They build the website.
	We've never, the hosting, I mean, we do pay for bandwidth and stuff, but all the hosting is managed by other producers.
	People create meetups.
	They host, you know, multiple times a week all around the world.
	It's really quite an interesting group.
	And they help each other and everything.
	They help for the show.
	And even giving us some information you have.
	We call it boots on the ground.
	Everybody is an expert in something.
	So if it's aviation-related, military-related, pharmaceutical-related, politically, everybody is somewhere where they have some insight that goes beyond what you might get from the mainstream.
	So we use that.
	And it was a very interesting experiment, and that kind of folds into what we started three years ago.
	You know, we started initially saying, hey, this is a lot of work, so you guys got to pay us.
	And I think we did start with a like $5 a month subscription with predictable results.
	You know, it was not going to pay for anything, for any real work that we were doing because we had other things to do.
	And we just said, you know what, why don't you just send us whatever this show is worth to you?
	And the very next show, it was amazing.
	We had a lot of $5, but we had a significant amount of $50, some $500, and one $5,000 donation.
	And we never looked back.
	We said, well, this is, we clearly have no idea.
	What people value or how much money they have.
	And it doesn't matter whether you send $1 or $1,000.
	It's the same.
	If that's what it's worth to you, then that's what it's worth to you.
	So you didn't have to corral your audience through a bunch of metadata scraping systems to sell the data to third-party marketers to push whatever keyword, linguistic, statistically, analysis fit.
	It was never a consideration.
	And also we knew that advertising would never work.
	We understand how advertising works.
	We understand, you know, the biggest advertiser on television for sure is pharmaceutical.
	So we can never do a pharmaceutical.
	Right.
	We can never talk about that.
	We can never talk about, you know, a multitude of things.
	So that would just not work.
	And I love the whole podcast.
	It's always only been audio.
	We've never done video because, well, first of all, It's too much work.
	It is.
	It is work to do video.
	We never do advertising.
	We don't want to have meetings with advertisers.
	We're too old for that.
	We're not interested.
	But it's very satisfying because your audience keeps you on your toes.
	And they really keep you going.
	And our pitch is very simple.
	You may have a store in town.
	You know, oh, there's a cheese shop.
	You think every single time, I should go to the cheese shop.
	You know, go to the cheese shop, and one day the cheese shop is gone.
	So, you know, we're still here after 16 years.
	That's awesome.
	So this cheese shop is a little old and stinky, but I think we're still good for a little while longer.
	And it has really become much more of a lifestyle for us, but also for the people who are producers of the show.
	The whole concept of value for value is really an exciting way of looking at at the world and looking at Peer-to-peer commerce.
	I love that phrase, yeah.
	Actually, there's a website, value4value.info.
	We just do on our show and everything's kind of humming along.
	And a couple of interesting things happened.
	One, I was invited on the Joe Rogan show.
	It was like getting a recertification because at this point, no one knew Adam Curry from MTV. People were born after I was long off the air.
	The origin of podcasting, most people might think, oh, that was a serial or whatever.
	It didn't go back 20 years.
	And so Joe very kindly recertified me.
	But also he announced that he was going to Spotify, which meant that he was about to disappear from all the podcast apps that are out there simultaneously.
	Now, in the meantime, you know, Steve has passed.
	Apple had been a pretty good steward of podcasting.
	And they had kind of become the default on-ramp.
	Because all of the podcast apps that are independently produced, most of them are free, maybe you can get some premium features for a couple dollars a month, but they were all operating off of the index that Apple had created because if you want to be anywhere in the apps, you have to be on Apple, which was fine until it wasn't because they then colluded with Facebook and I think Twitter at the time and possibly Google.
	It was truly an overnight Silicon Valley move and they all decided Alex Jones had to go.
	Now, I don't care what you think of Alex Jones, and it wasn't just him.
	It was probably about nine other podcasts, X-22 Report.
	I mean, not really horrible stuff, just, you know, oh, conspiracy theories, whatever.
	You know, it doesn't matter.
	I believe in free speech, you know, freedom of speech.
	We're in the United States.
	You know, I believe in the First and certainly the Second Amendment, living in Texas.
	I understand that much better than I ever did.
	And so I was just like, this is bullcrap because immediately those podcasts all disappeared from all the apps because it was no longer in Apple's index.
	Right.
	Apple gave us a bunch of grief too, of course.
	I'm sure.
	My content and this platform and everything.
	And we had to threaten to sue Apple.
	For them to turn our app back on, by the way.
	So that was $50,000.
	Not everybody has that kind of money.
	Exactly, exactly.
	If you don't have money to threaten these big corporations, they ignore you, and that's not the way it should be, and that's why what you're doing is so important.
	But Adam, please finish what you were saying there.
	We've got to let Todd speak.
	He's about to blow.
	His head's about to explode because he's got so much to say to you.
	Three more minutes and I'll finish up.
	I was just going to say, hey man, he's answering all my questions.
	That's great.
	It's efficient this way.
	It is.
	So I saw this happen and we were just doing our podcast and I hadn't really paid much attention to podcasting.
	The good part about podcasting The creation side is completely decentralized.
	There's thousands of podcast hosts.
	You can set up your own little server anywhere, put an RSS feed on it, throw your MP3s on it and you're good to go.
	But because of the sheer number of podcasts, it's no longer efficient for that to run on your phone in a single app so you can easily find what you're looking for and make sure that you're always notified when there's a new episode available.
	So that's why you had a big index like Apple that everybody was basically just leeching off of for free.
	And although they still allow that, when they remove something, it's removed from every other app.
	So I called up my buddy Dave Jones, and he's a sysadmin at a company in Alabama.
	We've been friends for 12 years, 10 years at this point.
	And we've started many little fun projects together, mainly software stuff that we wind up using ourselves and no one else is interested.
	I said, We've got to build our own index, and we've got to make it free and open for developers, and we've got to put some other things in there because we just can't have Apple capturing podcasting and determining what people can see.
	And Dave, in typical Dave fashion, went, yeah, okay, that's good.
	And so we started filling up this index with every single podcast known to man, but we added something else.
	We added an extensibility to RSS called a namespace, which you can forget right away, but it means you can put in extra features.
	And the one feature we had come up with was based on something that was new at the time, which is the Lightning Network.
	And the Lightning Network enables you to basically program money.
	And it's done through Bitcoin.
	Don't be afraid.
	It's not a scary thing.
	And it's really incredibly good at micropayments.
	One of those things that we've been promised from Silicon Valley for 30 years.
	Not only will you be able to send micropayments, which to me is less than a penny, but also your refrigerator will know when you're out of milk and automatically order it and it fills up and I'm still waiting.
	And AI is the greatest thing, but my spam is still in my email.
	But micropayments, it really does this well.
	And so we came up with this.
	We took the value-for-value idea, and we said, well, what if your app was really a wallet, and you could fill it up with dollars or euros or whatever, and that's just converted into lightning-capable payment method.
	And if you are listening to a podcast, and you say, you know, this podcast is worth a dollar an hour to me.
	And the minute you hit play, every 60 seconds, 1 60th of that amount is sent directly from your app, which is a wallet, to the podcaster.
	And then what was added after that was a boost, kind of like, oh, this was a great moment in the show.
	I want to send a dollar or $10 or whatever.
	And then we added the capability to add a message.
	And remember, this is all the payment part that we call that a boostagram.
	And so this immediately, of course, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, this is very interesting.
	A lot of people are very worried.
	Oh, it's crypto and all this stuff.
	But it took off.
	And we added one extra feature, which I think is really the beauty of the whole project.
	We added something called a split.
	So...
	You, as the podcaster, control everything.
	Just like your RSS feed contains your MP3 files and where you download this from, it now has your payment information.
	And you can say, of the 100% of a payment, no matter how big or how small, I have a co-host.
	I have a producer.
	I borrowed some money from my mom to pay for the equipment.
	So we'll do 30, 30, 10, 10, and then mom gets 5%.
	And then we have 5% for the person who promotes us the most.
	And everybody has their own independent wallet.
	So there's no clearinghouse.
	It goes directly.
	In fact, it's multiple payments from the podcast app going to each of these people every minute or when you send a booster grant.
	Along with that, We also enable the apps to have a percentage and be included in that split.
	Because they've never been in the deal flow.
	If there was a big ad buy and Rogan got that, the apps would never see any of that.
	And so apps are always struggling to be a part of that.
	And so now they can be a part.
	And they say it right up front.
	1% of each payment you send before you even send it.
	And this is why.
	And many of them even have, well, if you upgrade to premium, we won't take that percentage.
	But it put everybody into the flow all of a sudden.
	And that really made it exciting for the developers because they came in and now they're a part of it.
	They're a part of The value for value distribution.
	Wow.
	And this is really taken off as not just as a concept but as a working model.
	There's now 65 apps and services that use podcast index.
	I think there's 15 apps that all do value for value.
	And what this also unleashed was one other thing because apparently – well, so you need – The hosting side and the app side if you want new features.
	So we put in a shim to make this value for value thing work for everybody with their existing feeds.
	But people just came out of the woodworks for a decade.
	There's all these things they wanted like cloud chapters and location and transcripts.
	And, you know, there's 26, 27 features that now are being implemented by the podcast hosting companies and the app.
	So we're working completely outside of Apple, Spotify, all these other companies.
	And while we're growing, you're seeing that Spotify, who incorrectly thought they could come in and, well, we'll just take over podcasting.
	Yeah, we'll spend a billion dollars.
	We'll buy a bunch of companies.
	And they failed.
	They failed miserably.
	They fired the whole podcast team.
	And now, you know, it's just kind of another throwaway thing they've got going on.
	And, you know, we'll see where they end up.
	But the podcasting, we call it podcasting 2.0.
	But it's obviously your podcast is compatible, backwards compatible with legacy apps.
	But we're really seeing a lot of people moving towards the modern apps for these for the value for value feature.
	But also, you know, other minor things such as when you post in podcasting 2.0, when you post your episode, the apps are updated 90 seconds later.
	not an hour or two hours later.
	It doesn't take forever to get to...
	Now, it still takes forever sometimes to get to Apple.
	That's just how Apple operates.
	But if you're using a modern podcast app, then right away, 90 seconds, you're notified.
	We have live podcasts.
	I mean, there's a lot of stuff happening, including now music, which we can get to.
	But maybe I'll just stop for a second.
	This is incredible.
	I know Todd wants to jump in.
	I just got to say, this show has got to be turned into a podcast on your platform.
	Travesty that it isn't.
	No kidding!
	But take it away, Todd.
	Wow.
	I mean, yeah, this is amazing.
	I guess the only thing I'm left to say is I can wish you, Adam, a happy belated decolonization day or something.
	No, I did want to open, you know, just talking about myself, you know, humble brag, Adam.
	I graduated with a PhD from SUU, which is Suck Up University.
	And I would like to now leverage my advanced education and ultra impressive suck up skills to just say, man, you have beautiful teeth.
	You know that these are new, right?
	I listen to your show!
	That's what I love, how you and John play back and forth with each other.
	It's just such a nice dance, and you're self-effacing, and it's just beautiful to witness.
	But thank you for all that you shared.
	I mean, you literally did cover a lot of what I wanted to ask.
	I do know that you 100% believe that centralized platforms are going away.
	And Mike and I believe that.
	Yay!
	Yeah.
	I didn't believe that to be the case, too.
	So I was thinking, I was wanting to advance a movement, see what you think, you know, due to the absolute need to exit centralization.
	How about advancing sexit?
	C, with a C, not an S. You know, centralization exit.
	I don't know.
	I think that there might be a worthy tattoo in there somewhere.
	What do you think, Gav?
	Well, So when it comes to centralization, I think it's not going away, but it's going to be completely homogenized for your safety.
	And this is very – well, there's a couple of things happening.
	And thank God for the Constitution of the United States of America because – Free speech, the freedom to say anything you want, and there is a legal limit, you know, the incitement limitation of the United States, but the freedom to say what you think, what you feel, be insulting, be racist, whatever you want, is quickly evaporating from the Western world.
	The European Union is...
	And the United Nations, very active with their Article 19, which is, you should be able to say whatever you want, but...
	As long as it's legal, we can put some restrictions in there.
	The UK is already there.
	You can't hurt someone's feelings.
	You can't insult someone for their gender or sexuality or whatever.
	You just can't insult anybody.
	I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but we have to have the freedom to do that and freedom to be insulted right back.
	Right.
	Ireland, this is now happening there.
	And this was already signaled a couple of years ago in their Senate or their Parliament that this would happen.
	And, you know, with this recent incident that took place with the stabbing and, of course, that being blamed on certain groups.
	So it's being ushered in there.
	And it's obviously going to happen here, although I'm not a fan.
	Thank God for Elon Musk for standing up for something.
	Right.
	You know, Twitter, Facebook, all these centralized platforms are going to be ruined because it will be mandatory for you to register as a known person, probably with some form of government ID.
	You see Facebook or Meta Platforms is under attack for this with their damaging teens under 13 with knowledge that they were doing this.
	And it's no secret that social media is addictive and damaging.
	It's been engineered this way.
	So I'm not even – I don't even care.
	I'm kind of happy that some of that just goes away or can't hack it.
	But I think the bottom line is you'll have homogenized speech on these platforms and what's necessary is education because the two generations – about a generation and a half now think that their iPhone is the internet and that Google is the internet and apps are the internet.
	And they don't understand the basic network.
	And if anything, we need to protect browsers.
	The browser is really the true freedom of the internet because you can Kids should be taught how to set up a web server.
	In school, they should teach them how to build Linux on an old laptop.
	These are essential survival skills for the true future that is coming, which will be somewhat dystopian when it comes to the digital realm.
	We need to keep educating that, no, that's not the internet.
	And also...
	It's not important to be number one, have the most.
	It's not.
	I mean, we have so many examples of as long as you have a community that cares about whatever you're doing, that community will support you.
	I mean, the No Agenda show is a perfect example.
	It's not in any top ten list.
	We have maybe a little under a million people who are producers, and they sustain us just fine.
	And so you can do with a hundred people, with a thousand people, whatever you're doing, you can sustain it just fine.
	And there's beautiful overlap between these groups and they find each other and that's the type of networking that's important.
	We're quickly moving away from you have to have the biggest audience, the highest ratings, That's failing.
	That's failing for everybody.
	It's failing for streaming.
	It's failing for broadcast.
	It's failing for network.
	It's failing for cable.
	Yeah, and the highest numbered Podcasts or Instagram influencers or whatever are the junkiest, the worst, the most corporate-funded shills.
	Oh, here's $200,000.
	Push this latest vaccine shot.
	And it's garbage.
	What intelligent person wants to be fed a feed by, you know, some big boobed influencer who might as well be an AI agent anyway at this point that doesn't even remember what humanity was supposed to be about?
	Well, sadly, this is one of the top career choices for a new generation.
	What do you want to be when you grow up?
	Influencer.
	Why?
	Money, stuff, fame, all these honestly ungodly stuff.
	We're going in the wrong direction in general with this.
	Adam, a quick question because I know that in the past I've heard you talk a lot about payment friction and I believe there was a point in time to where You were even starting to get deplatformed or unbanked to where it was hard for people to be able to send you contributions.
	And perhaps that's why you pivoted towards the Lightning Network and trying to find an alternative solution.
	But it seems the more and more that people like us speak truth to power, the more they are going to try to kneecap us financially.
	So what are your thoughts on your experience of payment friction and the solutions around it?
	How have you muscled through that?
	Well, we've been quite fortunate.
	We really only have one mainstream system that has worked well for us, and that's PayPal.
	And in fact, we lost a lot of people during the PayPal-pocalypse, if you recall.
	And I can't fault people for that.
	But there's no doubt that as a backup solution for ourselves, I wanted to have this in place.
	And it's all getting more complicated, but ultimately, people will find a way.
	If we have to default to Bitcoin only through the Lightning Network, then that's what it'll be.
	Sorry to interrupt you, but speaking of that, Mike and I, we are raving fans of private crypto.
	Bitcoin, as you know, is a surveillance coin.
	So when you think back to the donations to the truckers and how ultimately, you know, some folks lost their banking privileges because they supported these truckers with some BTC. What are your thoughts of Privacy crypto in your model, or is that just an added layer of complication that you don't think is necessary?
	Okay, so I'm a Bitcoin maxi.
	I believe in Bitcoin.
	For me, the privacy aspect is a separate issue.
	You know, so that depends on where you get your Bitcoin from.
	But in order for Bitcoin to be successful, it has to be completely transparent.
	There's many ways you can obfuscate your ownership, etc.
	So I'm not so worried about, you know, once you have Bitcoin, there's no one stopping me or anyone from sending it to somebody else.
	Now, what you're sending it for, yeah, that can be monitored.
	So there's definitely other blockchains.
	Monero comes to mind, which I think would, if you really are that security conscious, and there's lots of reasons to be security conscious, then that will, I mean, it's an open standard.
	So that can be implemented at any time.
	Certainly within our system, if anyone wants to do that with Monero, then not only are they welcome to, the code is open and we'll be happy to help them.
	No one has stepped up so far.
	The bottom, I mean, I think Bitcoin is going to be very mainstream soon.
	Again, if it's really about the privacy of it, I mean, it'd be easier to walk dollar bills to somebody.
	That's going to be your true private measure.
	You and John have done an amazing job of being able to play footsie with topics that might get most people banned or deplatformed.
	But you never quite go there.
	And it's like...
	It's an art form.
	And I really respect that about your approach.
	But there are others that, like, Mike, the way that you cover things, I don't think that there's ever going to be a welcome mat at any of these mainstream platforms.
	Would you agree or no?
	I mean, I've been blacklisted everywhere for speaking.
	So yeah, I don't try to cater to being accepted by mainstream platforms.
	What I love about what Adam is saying here is that we the people are building alternative economies or parallel economies.
	We're building parallel comm systems, parallel podcasting index like Adam has built, Adam and Dvorak.
	I mean, I think this is the future.
	Yeah, there's going to be this centrally controlled, homogenized, as you said, Adam, mainstream tech platforms that are just going to be low IQ, dumbed down consumerism, selling freaking energy drinks to morons.
	I mean, that's what that's going to be.
	And then, if you want to actually know how the world works, if you want to be inquisitive, if you want to understand real history...
	A sustainability of human civilization philosophy.
	Then you're going to go to this alternative parallel system, which is what Adam is building and what we are building and advocating.
	And that's it.
	You know, you're going to you're going to have the dumbed down mainstream soda drinking, you know, cheese pop pop tart eating fools.
	And then the rest of us are going to be actually doing something for human society.
	That's the way I see it.
	Let me address that, Todd, because I think that we are – I don't know if we tiptoe around anything.
	We were the first to call out all kinds of bull crap on many – extremely counter to the narrative.
	But it's uninteresting to – first of all, what are you going to de-platform us from?
	We're not on YouTube.
	We're not on Twitter.
	Good point.
	There's nothing to de-platform.
	And this is where my pirate radio background comes in.
	As a pirate, you know, we were playing songs that were not, I mean, the Netherlands had a top 40, a popular music station which played polka music in the early 80s.
	And, you know, we had, in the 70s, we had pirate radio stations in the North Sea.
	That's where we, of course, learned from.
	And so, even though our audience was relatively small, it was maybe a couple hundred thousand people in Amsterdam only, you know, it was sustainable.
	Now, once in a while, the FCC would come by and say, hey, you know, you're busted, and they'd They'd take all our gear and then the audience would have gear back to us within 12 hours.
	We're back on the air.
	But there was no reason for them to bust us because we weren't really, in their old thinking, we weren't really competing on a national level with them.
	We were competing within, I mean, yeah, because it was broadcast radio, it's a geography, a geographic community.
	But what we're talking about here is communities of interest.
	If you want to find out something about – look, if you're into conspiracy theories, you want to talk about 9-11, JFK, Moon Landing, you can find your podcast for that and to your heart's desire.
	The main reason why people get deplatformed is for – I would say it doesn't – it counters the narrative, which is political.
	So as an example.
	Right now, you have to – in mainstream, you have to choose a side.
	You're either for free Palestine or you're for free – or the Jews can't be attacked.
	I mean I'm just going to put it like that.
	And if you go against that narrative, you're deplatformed and you'll get kicked off of any of these platforms.
	But it really is.
	It's political.
	If you look at the protests, these are protests with professionally printed signs, every single one of them.
	And it's the World Workers Party, the Socialist Party.
	In the UK, it's Labor Party.
	And they're all calling for...
	De-platforming politicians.
	This is not about humans.
	It's a farce.
	People who are protesting don't actually care about the death.
	It's just a handy tool to say, ho ho, genocide Joe, you gotta go.
	I mean, it's hilarious because it's the same people the Democrat Party activated for BLM to not to help black people, but to make Donald Trump look bad.
	Let's be honest about it.
	Yeah.
	It's all political.
	These things are coming from, and it's broken.
	Their communications, their signaling system is breaking and crumbling right before their eyes because people are starting to figure out, we don't need this.
	We don't need to be on your big platforms.
	We're happy over here.
	We'll have a little discussion, our communications over here.
	We'll sustain that ourselves.
	And groups like Media Matters and Sleeping Giants and all these also politically motivated groups and funded.
	I mean, Media Matters has $20 million coming in per year.
	Their whole point is, hey, you're against the narrative of the political party that is either in power or that I'm being paid by.
	It doesn't matter which one it is.
	And I don't like what you're saying, so I'm going to find a way to get rid of your advertisers.
	Yep, that's exactly what they did.
	When the advertisers are gone, this is what they're doing to Elon Musk.
	Now, they're mistaken because Elon Musk doesn't care.
	He's building a bank.
	He doesn't care about a social network.
	He just wants to stay in the news.
	He wants you to be on his platform.
	And I guarantee you, he does not care about ads.
	Hey Adam, one quick question.
	Wag the dog, right?
	We've all seen that movie.
	Shouldn't by now, and I know this is your space, you know, assessing mainstream media, deconstructing it.
	By now, shouldn't we literally be auto-hoaxing everything that comes from mainstream news, Adam?
	What do you mean by auto-hoaxing?
	Almost like, if I want to know the truth, let me turn on mainstream news and see what they're pushing, and I'm going to go opposite day.
	I mean, this has always been my mantra.
	The minute, I mean, with everything, really, it's like if the government says, go right, look to the left, that's probably the right direction.
	It's crazy to think that way.
	And it's such a beautiful thing to see people awaken when they discover it.
	And I think for us, although, you know, we've been doing this for quite a while and back in In 2012, we already knew that vaccines were the big moneymaker.
	There was this huge medical conference, I think, hosted by Goldman or one of the big bankers.
	They were already talking about how vaccines are great because you're giving medication to people who aren't sick yet.
	It was foolish.
	They were already talking about, oh, it'll be a vaccine against cocaine addiction, which has nothing to do with vaccine, but injectables, really.
	And they got their indemnity, so you can't sue them as long as you call it a biologic.
	And so we knew all this.
	And so when this came down, it took us about 10 days to And we're like, okay, no, no, this is just a hard no.
	And no, and we're not going to do it.
	We're not going to, you know, participate in this.
	And we went very hard against it.
	And certainly we're anti-COVID vaccine.
	I won't say we're anti-vaxxers, but that's the label you might get.
	And so in that period, we have people to this day, and I'm sure you have it as well.
	Anyone who was doing independent I'll call it reporting, media, whatever you want.
	During COVID, you have received emails from people saying, thank you.
	Thank you because I didn't feel alone.
	I wasn't crazy all by myself.
	And you might have saved my life.
	And you've received those.
	I know you've received those because everyone I talk to receives it.
	And that to me is of immeasurable value.
	And that's why we're doing this stuff.
	I love you doing that.
	Pardon me for jumping in here, Todd.
	Adam, as I understand it, you now live near Austin, Texas.
	Is that right?
	I live in Fredericksburg in the Hill Country.
	I lived in Austin for 12 years.
	Had to leave to reenter the state of Texas.
	I completely understand.
	Okay, so this is amazing because I'm filming in our studio today, which is not that far from the Austin airport.
	Okay, sure.
	So we're kind of neighbors.
	I mean, Fredericksburg...
	I'm waving.
	I'm waving to you right now.
	Oh, I see.
	And then your partner, John Dvorak.
	Now, Dvorak was...
	I mean, this guy in the PC Magazine days, he was the legend.
	I mean, I would devour his columns because I was one of the...
	I was like the first kid on the block to ever have a PC, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	The original IBM PC, like 4.66 megahertz CPU, you know what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	And Dvorak was like a god to all of us, you know?
	And, I mean, he knew so much at that time, and he's done so much since then.
	I just got to say, I mean, you and he together, no wonder people love your podcast.
	I mean...
	Well, that's very kind of you to say, and I should explain...
	Yeah, so John...
	He's a very famous columnist.
	And you're right.
	People would buy PC Magazine just to go to the back page.
	And if anyone was contrarian, it was him.
	He would be like, these Macs, they suck.
	They're no good.
	He would go against everything that was popular.
	He would have a contrarian view.
	So much so that he has, you know, people would call him a curmudgeon.
	But he also did a lot more.
	I mean, he did a lot of television shows or certainly video shows.
	He goes back to tech TV. He did radio.
	He's published multiple books.
	I mean, and he had a little publishing empire going on there for a while.
	And we met each other and we met each other remote.
	He lives in San Francisco, not far from Berkeley.
	So he's kind of in the thick of an interesting area.
	No kidding.
	But he likes being in the milieu still of Silicon Valley.
	But he, I mean, our first meeting was like, hey, Curry, what's your deal?
	People say you're rich.
	I think people also think you're a dick.
	I'm like, what?
	And I said, we should have lunch.
	So we had lunch and we hit it off right away.
	But we never speak outside of our show.
	We don't communicate.
	I mean, yeah, maybe some very simple stuff like, you know, here's something for the newsletter or here's minor stuff.
	But we both show up to the show.
	He's remote.
	He's in San Francisco.
	I'm in Texas or wherever I am.
	I can also do a traveling show.
	And I'll have his clips.
	I have my clips.
	He has no idea what I have.
	I don't look or listen at what he has.
	And we just start.
	And it's become a performance because we're very keyed into each other.
	And sometimes we get into tips and strong disagreements.
	There's never been a rage quit, but sometimes it can get a little heated.
	I mean, we're not really even friends, but we...
	And he said the same thing.
	We love working together.
	And it's challenging and it's fun.
	And as long as we're both breathing and of sound mind, we'll keep doing it.
	We really, really love doing it.
	And I love him as a partner because he will push back on anything he even slightly disagrees with.
	But he also has a wealth.
	I mean, he's worked for as a government air quality inspector.
	He's done so many interesting things in his life.
	And Still, after 16 years, sometimes he hits me with a story like, oh man, I have not heard this story before.
	He just has incredible life experience.
	He's a little bit older than I am, so he's just been around longer.
	I'm the Gen Xer.
	He's the boomer.
	So it fits really well.
	Hey, Adam.
	After all these years of podcasting, indeed, you are the podfather.
	Can you please suggest a setup where someone interested in podcasting can successfully do so, from microphones to headphones, or just tell us about your podfather gear and where people could find it and consider it?
	Sure.
	And actually, up until about a year and a half ago, I spent most of my Time trying to figure out, most of my free time, how can I create the ultimate podcast setup that is on the computer?
	You should be able to just do this on a computer.
	You shouldn't have to have racks.
	Because I come from studios.
	I've built studios.
	You've got racks of gear and you've got processing.
	And it never really worked on computers because you need to be able to hear in real time.
	What the processing sounds like.
	And I've even tried to build something myself.
	Crowdfunded it.
	It was very expensive.
	It was not easy to pull off.
	And then Rode came out.
	They came out with a couple of products.
	The first one was the Rodecaster Pro, which I didn't like.
	I didn't get that.
	But the Rodecaster Pro 2 had everything.
	And I have designed this.
	That's what I would build.
	They nailed it.
	Then they came out with a Rodecaster Duo, which is the exact same guts inside, just smaller, and you have two mics instead of four.
	And I'm very impressed by, if you're just getting started with podcasting, get one of their pod mics.
	It's a USB and it comes with software that has all the same software that these mixers have.
	So you can create, you know, the same sound basically that I do.
	And for a podcast host, you can go to podcastapps.com.
	That's forwards to our podcast index page.
	And you can filter by podcast hosts and by features that they have available.
	It's interesting because we have two kind of podcasting 2.0 native hosts that have just started up in the last couple of months, podhome.fm and rssblue.com.
	So seriously, if you're really motivated, get one of those pod mics and the software is free that comes with it.
	Get one of those two hosting companies and you'll be up there.
	Is there a website that people could go to that kind of walks them through that?
	I thought when I was doing my research that you have a webpage somewhere to where you're even given your how to dial it in for value consideration.
	So I have the...
	Yes, that's podfathergear.com, but it's not updated.
	So it doesn't have all...
	I got it.
	Thank you.
	I shall update this right after we're done.
	So...
	You can go there, and I'll fix that.
	Awesome.
	But really, the Rode PodMic, once you have that, and there's a lot of tutorials on YouTube and lots of places you can find setups for that, and then just get one of those modern podcast hosts.
	There you go.
	See, this is my older gear.
	I'm going to change this right away.
	We're shaming you into progress now.
	And then the only other thing I will – because everyone says, what are the rules for a great podcast?
	And I say, stop talking when it's not interesting or when you're being – just end.
	So end it.
	There's no – we know from experience that there's no perfect time length as long as it's interesting.
	And the other one is, if you're on a weekly every two weeks or once a month or every day, it doesn't matter, but let's say weekly, release on the same day and about the same time every single week.
	Because people adapt their lives to your podcast.
	Right.
	And even if they listen to it three days later, it can screw up their podcast.
	They're their entire schedule.
	And if it's not there or if they haven't seen it yet, they might actually start listening to another podcast and you might lose them.
	That's the number one thing you can do.
	Wow.
	Hey, Adam, just my own setup.
	I'm dying to understand.
	So my mic goes into a Tascam.
	You know, it's not one of the big fancy schmancy ones.
	The mixed cast.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I'm familiar with it.
	It gets the job done.
	But what would be the equivalent of that with the Podcaster pod or whatever?
	The Roadcaster?
	Yeah, the Roadcaster.
	The Roadcaster Pro 2.
	So the MixCast 4 is not bad, but it's really missing.
	Now, as a reminder...
	I mean, I work with someone remotely, so I have a remote feed coming in.
	Not everybody needs that.
	I very much like the processing that they have.
	So they have a noise gate, limiter, compressor.
	They've got all these different processing bits.
	And that's really the most important thing that I'll put on my Podfather Gear website is the processing process.
	Anybody can use that.
	I'm perfectly happy with giving that away.
	Yeah.
	And it just gives you a crisp, you know, sound that punches through everything.
	It's really, you know, I've learned to mix for earbuds.
	Oh, wow.
	I mean, yes, people listen to it sometimes on speakers in the car, but in general, it's a very personal experience.
	And so your sound has to be a little bit adapted to that.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, I've fine-tuned that over the years, and most people say that, you know, they really enjoy it and that it works well for them.
	So I don't want to be ignorant here, but the Rodecaster Pro 2 would be like my Tascam, right?
	That would be what I would be plugging in my, okay, thank you, and then that would plug into my computer.
	And Todd, I use the Rodecaster Pro.
	Oh, you do?
	Yeah, that's what I use for my daily broadcasts.
	Oh, awesome.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's very helpful.
	And also it's got the cheesy robot voice thing in it that you can just...
	This is my favorite when you use this one.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	So I found it to be reliable, too.
	Did we just have Anthony Fauci get on the call?
	Take the shot.
	Oh, my goodness.
	All right.
	So, look, first of all, I can't believe this has been really fascinating and fun, Adam, and I can't believe how the time has flown by here.
	We do need to think about wrapping this up here shortly in the interest of all our time.
	But I want to give you the opportunity, Adam, to just summarize how people can engage with your show, your podcast index, and the apps that are using the protocols that you've described here, action items for us.
	Sure.
	So noagendashow.net gives you a couple of things.
	It shows you the most recent episode.
	It also shows some of the podcasting 2.0 features.
	You can find the transcripts there.
	It also has links to lots of the other websites that are associated with the show.
	That's my main gig, what I do there, and a lot of love and passion goes in there.
	And this is all based on the podcast index protocols, podcastindex.org.
	Now, what I would recommend is if you're just interested in Some of the apps that are being used that you can download for free and use and get into value for value and see what it's all about and see a lot of these other features, by the way, you know, chapter art that changes.
	You know, transcripts, searchable transcripts.
	It's really incredible when you have a podcast that has transcripts which are searchable and all these apps do it.
	You know, sometimes I'm like, what was it?
	Somewhere in the show, I was talking about this.
	And then you find it like, oh!
	And when you can search the transcript, it gets really, really easy and efficient to do that.
	So that's podcastapps.com.
	And that'll take you in and it'll show you all the apps, but you can then also filter it to learn for other services that are using this.
	And that really gives a good overview.
	And then just for an understanding of value for value, which...
	Doesn't require Bitcoin or anything per se.
	Again, it's more of a concept.
	I call it the new international lifestyle.
	It's value4value.info and it's value4value.info.
	And of course, I'm on Mastodon as well.
	If anyone wants to follow me, Adam at noagendasocial.com.
	And I still have a Twitter account, but I wouldn't rely on it.
	Okay, excellent.
	All right.
	Yeah, a number of great websites.
	Now, for someone who has a podcast, what's the easiest way for them to begin to use your ecosystem?
	Oh, that's a good question.
	They may already have some of that built into their podcast host, so that would kind of depend on that.
	You can even on that podcastapps.com website, you can see all the different features that it has.
	If you'd like to just get started with value for value, there's two ways you can do it.
	You can go to podcasterwallet.com or you can use, and this is actually a cool app, Fountain, fountain.fm, but it's in all the app stores.
	If you get the Fountain app, not only can you set up your podcast to enable it for value for value, but you also can just listen to other podcasts, and it will actually help you earn little bits of Bitcoin for every single minute that you listen.
	And they did that really to onboard people.
	So then you can get a feel for it.
	And you can listen to any legacy podcast.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't have to be 2.0.
	And you'll be racking up Satoshi's, which is little pieces of Bitcoin.
	And then you can send those to another podcast.
	You can test it with your own podcast.
	It's a great mechanism to onboard and also helps new listeners who may be a little bit apprehensive to get over that first hurdle.
	And with all the apps, filling up that wallet is very simple.
	You can do it in-app with a credit card or a bank card.
	But if someone just wants to get the feel for it, the fountain app is...
	And I should just make clear, no one's got any intellectual property.
	There's no copyrights, nothing.
	Dave, Jones, and I, we're doing this because we want our kids to have something to work with so it's not like this is a money-making venture for us.
	We're just doing it because it's our duty as Americans and as free speech advocates.
	Wow.
	Amen to that.
	Absolutely.
	And one last technical question.
	When you say podcasts 2.0, is that the label that's designating the innovations that you have described and taken part in here?
	Or what does that term exactly mean?
	Yeah, we just started calling it 2.0 because we've upgraded podcasting.
	Everything is backwards and forwards compatible.
	But we just like, it just became a moniker, podcasting 2.0.
	Oh, we've upgraded podcast.
	It's still podcasting.
	We've just added all these features.
	And to take advantage of those features, you need newer apps.
	Again, there's about 15 of them.
	And if you're a podcast producer or creator, then you need to either take advantage of those.
	Most of the big podcasting hosting companies have at least some of the features already implemented.
	If not, their customer service will be happy to help you.
	And again, you can find all those features.
	Or you may have to move to a different host.
	But there's so many options now.
	Really, it's at the point where we're growing...
	Probably twice as fast as the legacy apps are shrinking.
	That's really what's happening, particularly Apple and Spotify.
	I mean, they're trying to implement some of these features.
	They're trying to replicate some things that we're doing already.
	But we've got hundreds of thousands of podcasts already using transcripts and chapters.
	And there's about 20,000 podcasts that are actively using the value for value system.
	That's amazing.
	That's going pretty fast.
	And there's some real money flowing around the network.
	What about which, for our audience that want to do their own podcasting, and they're definitely uncensored people, so which podcast platform is going to be the most tolerant of real free speech?
	All of them.
	All of them are going to be tolerant of free speech.
	Not a single one is going to block you unless it's illegal.
	You're doing something blatantly illegal.
	There's not a single one that I know of that has ever kicked off any podcast for any reason like that.
	We can test that theory.
	I'm sure Todd and I will put something together and see where we can get kicked off of.
	Well, it won't be from the podcast host.
	I mean, that's never been the problem.
	Really?
	It's always been the big aggregators like Apple, Amazon, and Spotify.
	They're the ones that have the most to lose.
	The podcast hosting...
	It's really a beautiful industry.
	It became so distributed by its very nature where, you know, you have these companies.
	One has maybe 2,000 customers.
	One has 20,000.
	There's bigger ones that have 200,000.
	That's pretty distributed, you know.
	So it's from mom and pop to small business.
	And, you know, it really depends on the level of service you want, which is I think what it really comes down to.
	I like kind of the newer guys on the block because they're really out there with the newer stuff.
	I mean, now we're even adding music to it, which now finally musicians are getting paid in real time for those who own their own work.
	And so they're helping musicians.
	I mean, look, an album is basically a podcast with tracks.
	I mean, it's the same thing.
	You've got a podcast with episodes or an album with tracks.
	And you add payment information in there, which includes the traditional things like composer, writer.
	You can put who played on the record.
	And you can put those splits in there.
	It's transparent.
	Everybody sees what percentage is getting paid.
	Everybody gets the full amount payment information, so it's completely transparent.
	But what's great is It's immediate.
	There's no waiting 48 months for ASCAP BMI or waiting forever and getting nothing from Spotify.
	There's a revolution taking place here, which is...
	It's really quite exciting.
	Wow.
	Adam, is there a national convention of podcasters?
	It's like your go-to to where people are like, if you're going to go to one thing, and for those who are interested, go here.
	Well, that's interesting because I lovingly call that the podcast industrial complex, and you want to stay as far away from that as possible.
	Got it.
	I mean, it's like the podcast conferences...
	I went to one two years ago.
	I was disappointed as usual.
	It's just a lot of big companies trying to dominate the space.
	It's not that there's bad people trying to run this, but It's not really what I would advise anyone to become a part of.
	It's almost like YouTube.
	YouTube is like, oh, it's great and I can make money with YouTube, but YouTube puts you on the treadmill, man, in the hamster wheel.
	And if you get any traction, the algos pick you up and then you've got to do more.
	And if you don't upload at least three pieces of content a day, you drop in the algos and it becomes this...
	A horrible experience, and I've seen so many people just burn out from it, where if you want to do a podcast, don't expect to make any money right off the bat.
	If you're going to do this to make money, then you're not doing it for the right reasons.
	If you've got a message to convey, an outstanding product, everything you want, everything you need will follow.
	It always does.
	Amen.
	Beautiful.
	Perfect.
	Well, Adam, a real pleasure to meet you here today, and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
	I mean, this is really inspiring.
	And I love what you're doing.
	And we're going to spread the word big time about this.
	So thank you.
	Oh, thank you.
	And I have to say that Dvorak and I often talk about Brighteon.
	We're always cracking up because if it's some really off-the-wall thing that no one's ever heard of, you'd be like, where'd you find that?
	Brighteon?
	We love you guys.
	We love what you're doing.
	It's really important.
	Tell John I was a fan reading his columns in...
	I think it was the late...
	It was 1980s, man.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I had...
	The very first Apple II computer and then the very first IBM PC. And it was so early that when I took my Apple with the 1.4 megabyte floppy disk or the 5.25 inch floppy disk.
	It wasn't a megabyte.
	What am I thinking?
	It was like kilobytes.
	I took it to the school.
	I had a teacher that said that box is voodoo.
	Yeah.
	And I kid you not, so that's how far back I go in the computing world and reading Dvorak, by the way, so let him know.
	I'll be sure to let him know, you bet.
	I think somebody, I don't think it was Dvorak, but somebody tried to do a column in PC Magazine one time that said, asked the question, can you zip a zip file to Eternity and reduce it to one byte?
	And that was actually a debatable concept back in the 1980s.
	Back in the day, sure.
	Yeah, it's like, is that possible?
	Could it happen?
	But there you go.
	I'm dating myself a little bit there.
	But thank you so much, Adam.
	Oh, it's my pleasure.
	And thank you both.
	You as well, Todd, obviously.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Excellent guest.
	Take care, Adam.
	Take care.
	Wonderful.
	Cheers.
	All right.
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	This was your suggestion to bring on Adam Curry.
	Great suggestion.
	Amazing guest.
	I love what he's doing.
	You know, I can't believe...
	We've got a link to his stuff on our website, Decentralized TV. We've got to spread the word.
	We've got to get everybody through this system.
	I love what he's talking about, and I love the micropayments through the Lightning Network with the value-for-value barter, right?
	I mean, it makes sense.
	I love it.
	Yeah, I mean, it allows people to be able to enjoy based upon their own budget, right?
	Yes.
	I mean, you and I have both been in positions at certain times in our lives to where if you wanted to be very, very generous, you could, and it makes you feel really good to be able to do that.
	Yes.
	But we've all been in scenarios to where we really like the product, but we might be on a tight budget.
	Things may have happened in our lives.
	And so, you know, sending something smaller that is still appreciated is, you know, fantastic.
	Absolutely.
	And I love that he just...
	They just went out and figured it out.
	And that's a lot what you do, Mike.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yeah.
	You just do it.
	I get things done as well.
	But I want to be mindful.
	Adam is still connected.
	I just want to say, Adam, you are welcome to stay connected here.
	We're going to talk about you, but you don't have to stay connected.
	I was loving the after party, man.
	You can absolutely listen.
	That's what we're doing out here.
	Yeah.
	Perfect.
	You're not obligated here.
	If you don't mind, I'll hang out for another minute.
	If you're into some torture, you can stay tuned in.
	Sure, sure, sure, sure.
	And you can come back in because I'm going to talk about the question I didn't ask that I wish I would have.
	But you're not gone yet.
	He's not gone.
	I'll wave if I think I have something to say.
	We have the resurrection of Adam Curry back in the after.
	You're the only guest that is back in the after party.
	I couldn't hang up.
	I was like, oh, these guys are still talking.
	Hold on, let me see what they say.
	Like, that guy was weird.
	There's Jesus, and then there's Adam Curry.
	Both resurrect.
	I'm in service of him, not anywhere near close.
	Right, right.
	Here's what I want to say, though, Todd, since Adam is listening in, but I want to say this.
	I feel like if I'm a podcaster or a listener, I want some clear, simple instructions to follow.
	I want one page, five steps to either, here's the best app that does it all, or here's the best platform.
	Now, I know he's got the list.
	He's got podcasting.
	I've got to interrupt.
	I got you now.
	I should have promoted the place to go.
	There's one guy who's taught more people how to podcast than anybody I know.
	That's Dave Jackson, School of Podcasting.
	So schoolofpodcasting.com.
	And Dave Jackson can take you from zero all the way through value for value.
	He's done it all.
	He knows it all.
	The guy is amazing.
	Here it is.
	Okay, we have that site up here.
	schoolofpodcasting.com.
	Fantastic.
	Okay.
	Awesome.
	Excellent.
	And I want to say to our audience, if you're going to start a podcast or maybe transition podcasting activities that you've been doing, I think it really is important to engage in these, what Adam is calling podcasting 2.0 features, which include Lightning Network micropayments, value for value, and also transcriptions and chapters.
	You know, I mean...
	Adam said that being able to search past transcriptions is critical.
	I found that the case as well.
	Because even sometimes I'm doing a broadcast, like, two weeks ago I mentioned this, but I don't know where that is.
	I have no idea, right?
	But we should be able to index and search, but also tell Google not to index.
	Right.
	You know, like put in that no robots file.
	Bad robot, bad robot.
	Stay away from these.
	Check this site out.
	It's called bingit.io.
	B-I-N-G-I-T dot I-O. So one of our producers, so we've always put all of our information out open source, all the clips we use, all the news articles.
	We've made that all available all through RSS, including our transcripts.
	You can search for anything on that website.
	It goes through 1611 episodes.
	If you type in any phrase, it'll show you where we talked about it.
	You click on the link and it brings up that piece in the podcast where we were talking about it.
	I've typed in trannies.
	Yes!
	Any mentions?
	Look for mentions.
	There you go.
	Look how many episodes cover trannies.
	This is amazing.
	Look on the right-hand side.
	Mike, Mike, Mike, you gotta...
	Let's keep with this.
	Put in bonus hole.
	I wonder if they've ever talked about bonus hole.
	No, I don't think they've talked about bonus holes.
	Ah, you might be surprised.
	Let me see.
	Bonus hole, huh?
	Uh-huh.
	Uh-huh.
	I see mentions on the right.
	I don't know, but it could be like bonus in this sentence and hole in another sentence.
	It'll bring up the transcript.
	If you click on it, it'll bring up the transcript.
	Bring it up.
	And if you scroll down.
	This is awesome.
	Really?
	Where?
	Well, did it have a zero mention?
	No, you have to get one.
	That's got zero.
	Okay.
	The other one I want to, because it's relevant to the question I wanted to ask, but I'm going to ask it because you're still here.
	Put in NPCs.
	Oh, pfft.
	Definitely.
	NPCs.
	Okay.
	No, here we go.
	Wait.
	Thank you.
	Give me a bonus.
	I'm sorry, bonus.
	It's a bonus.
	A bonus in your package.
	That's close to bonus hole.
	Trust me.
	Bonus hole.
	Maybe do it in quotes.
	Trust me.
	It's come up.
	Okay.
	And NPC has most definitely.
	Okay.
	So, Adam, regarding NPC. Okay.
	All right.
	We'll switch NPC. All right.
	Let's see.
	I have a sincere question related to NPCs.
	We all know that NPC stands for non-playing character.
	And prior to the COVID, I knew there were dumb, uninformed people out there, but I never considered there being almost a separate species of NPCs, people who have zero capacity to critically think and simply get their downloads from the mainstream media.
	Adam Curry, I have a number.
	It is written on the back of this.
	Okay, this is my NPC percentage prediction.
	This is the percentage of people who I believe are NPCs, meaning they just turn on the TV, whatever they download is what they believe.
	First of all, do you subscribe to the NPC theory?
	Not that they're actual true non-playing characters in a huge video game of the simulation that we're in.
	Right.
	So, what you're saying is, yeah, people who turn on, open up, receive, and take their instruction.
	That's right.
	And I want to say, I pray for these people.
	I pray that they break out of this.
	27%.
	Alright, Mike, do you have a...
	27%.
	Am I giving my percent or what I think you wrote?
	No, I want you to give your percent and then I'll give my percent that I wrote.
	Yeah, I think a third.
	I'll say 33.
	Guys, I'm going 85%.
	What?
	85?
	85%.
	That's a lot.
	That's pretty high, man.
	That's pretty high.
	I don't know.
	Look, look, I've given this a lot of, you know, thought and prayer because within my own family, I mean, I'm talking about extended families, you know, three brothers, three sisters, parents, everything.
	I'm like flying solo here.
	If you look at Matthias de Smet's research, he came up with the mass formation thesis.
	Psychosis.
	Right.
	Well, actually, there's no psychosis.
	It's mass formation.
	Yeah, that kind of got twisted a little bit.
	Ah, okay.
	The official term is mass formation.
	And he posits in his theorem that 30% of people are awake, clued in, tuned in, understand what's going on.
	30% are what we would call NPC, completely clueless.
	And then there's that 40% in the middle, which will shift left or right based upon kind of What they feel empowered to do, if they're not too scared to do.
	And that's really the 40% we want to move more towards the awakened side.
	So you could say that they are also, in a way, NPCs, but they're just NPC on the outside.
	On the inside, there's stuff going on, they're having debate, they're thinking, but they're terrorized.
	I like that.
	They're terrorized and they're traumatized.
	Are you familiar with there are certain people who don't have an internal dialogue?
	Have you ever discussed that?
	No.
	No, I don't think we have.
	They're literal studies.
	I mean, because I don't know about you two, I do know you guys that have internal dialogues, but apparently there was a story about this husband and wife, and the wife, they got on this discussion, and one asked the other, do you talk to yourself?
	And they're like, no.
	That's weird.
	And this is actually a thing.
	I mean, I went down the rabbit hole a little bit, but, you know, the percentage is higher than you might think, you know?
	20% of the people just don't have that internal dialogue.
	I just don't get that.
	My internal dialogue has been deplatformed.
	I do, too.
	I do, too.
	Outrageous comments.
	No longer allowed to speak.
	Bonus holes are why people stick around for the after party, I guess.
	My internal dialogue got shadow banned on Twitter.
	That's what happened.
	But it is kind of...
	It's very sad people don't have an internal dialogue.
	They should try out church.
	Maybe they can get some internal dialogue.
	But we're in a place now where everybody wants to have a better world, a world where things are just better for everybody and we love each other.
	But there are This is all kind of new for me, but I remember when I was maybe seven years old and my parents said, we think we've taught you what is right from wrong, good from bad.
	If you don't understand that, maybe if you don't have an internal dialogue, you don't understand that, but I find it hard to believe that people don't.
	Everyone has that in them.
	It's God-given.
	You have that feeling.
	But people are trying to live by utopian rules, to create a utopia where everything is fair and equitable and it doesn't matter.
	If you feel this way, then you can be this way.
	And we have to start pushing back a little bit harder.
	It's fun and funny to do.
	I saw The Daily Wire just came out with a trailer for a pretty funny, looks like a funny movie, talking about men in sports acting as if they're women.
	But we've got to kind of be a little more stern with this, I think.
	It's just like, no, hard no.
	Come on, stop it.
	Wake up.
	This is crazy.
	I mean, for me...
	God gave us a book.
	And the way to live is in there.
	And you can still make whatever choices you want.
	I'm not going to get mad at you.
	You don't have to get mad at me for not agreeing with it.
	But I'm going to say I don't agree with it.
	And I'll pray for you and hope that you figure it out.
	We need more of that.
	We need more of a reformation of how we approach things.
	And we don't stop pussyfooting around it.
	But also, I think...
	Just making memes and jokes is probably not the solution either.
	We just have to be like, no, this is a hard no.
	This makes no sense.
	This is not the way life was intended to be.
	And you've got to cut that out.
	We have a whole generation of younger people now that think that if their feelings are hurt, that that's physical pain, that that's assault.
	They define it as assault.
	And these are the same kids...
	That they got, you know, participation ribbons and the sports, they never kept score.
	And so nobody ever told that kid, hey, you suck at kickball.
	You know?
	Like, the kid needs to hear that.
	But guess what?
	You might be really good at this other thing.
	Like, let's be honest about it.
	You might suck at kickball, but guess what?
	You might be an amazing artist.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	You might be a sculptor.
	You might be a world-class musician.
	But you still suck at kickball, but the kid never heard it.
	Hey, Adam, so I know you're a man of faith.
	My question is, was that always within you, or was there a point in your life to where, like, I can state personally that, you know, I went 42 years, but there came a point in time where God brought me to my knees so that I might look up.
	And so that was a pivotal time for me to where that's when I would say that I arrived at true faith.
	What about you?
	Well, I'm a very new Christian.
	This only started to come together for me about a year and a half ago.
	Oh, excellent.
	And the way it happened was, well, my wife and I were both, and we're on this journey together.
	We were getting nudged in interesting ways.
	I'm now 59, so we're up there a little older than most would find their faith.
	And at a certain point, I was working with all these different people, and I looked around, and I'm like, You guys are all Christians.
	What's wrong with me?
	I should look into this Christianity stuff.
	Wow.
	Because I was working with people, doing podcasts with them, working on podcasting 2.0.
	I was like, I need to look into this.
	And no one's ever pushed anything on me.
	I've asked questions in the past about, so is this revelation really fire and brimstone?
	Do you think God's a real person?
	I've asked questions from time to time, but...
	And it was also, it was a weird, there was Naomi Wolf, a very famous leftist, brighter, you know, hoity-toity, Upper East Side, New York, feminist.
	She, during COVID, wrote a series of substacks, which, and she's Jewish, and Where she really came to her faith and started investigating Jesus and God, and she determined that what was happening in the world was not necessarily evil people, but there was a real evil force, and there must be a counterforce to that.
	And these were interesting substats.
	She just wrote a book called Facing the Beast, which is worth the read.
	And so as I approach everything, I'm like, well, I'm just going to look.
	This is a conspiracy theory.
	Just like Moon Landing, JFK, all this stuff.
	I'm going to dive into this.
	And there's a lot of stuff written about this, it turns out.
	There's a lot of books you could go on.
	And after two weeks, and I read Evidence That Demands a Verdict.
	I mean, just so many interesting books that just take you to more books and more reading.
	And after two weeks, I went, that's it.
	God is real.
	Jesus is real.
	He died for our sins.
	Prayer works.
	Wow, once I started using prayer, oh man, that is amazing.
	That's such a great story.
	And I rearranged my schedule, and now we go to church together, and we worship together, and we have a great community.
	I've never had this many friends.
	And from the outside looking in, I was like, oh, you know, these church people must be weird.
	No, this greatness can be.
	Very interesting people with all kinds of interesting vocations and backgrounds.
	And especially being out here in Fredericksburg, we must have 30 churches.
	I feel there's a bit of a revival going on.
	If you want to meet weird people, go to the podcasting conference.
	I went to the Spark Media Conference.
	I was invited.
	And that's a podcast conference only for Godcasters.
	And they wanted me to do the keynote.
	And I was like, well, this is interesting.
	And I kind of understand now how God has been guiding me throughout my life.
	You know...
	When I was at MTV and you'd have the Video Music Awards, and I was always intrigued by, namely the hip-hop guys, when they won an award, they get up on the stage and like, and I want to thank God for putting this into my head and giving me the lyrics and the beats and everything.
	And now I'm like, oh yeah, I get it.
	I didn't invent podcasting.
	I see where this is coming from.
	Adam, don't you think that it helps...
	Us reconcile the world, especially since 2020, right?
	To where I believe now with all my heart and soul that I know there's a spiritual war going on.
	I know we all, in our meat space, we all think, well, who are they?
	We always talk about they, are they the Illuminati?
	Who is the puppet master of Klaus Schwab?
	To me, it's really, really simple.
	You know, if you believe in God, God of the Bible, you know, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, it's really easy.
	And if you take a deep dive into that book that God wrote, you recognize that there are some other characters, you know, and that Satan is also real.
	And demons are also real.
	Absolutely.
	It's the enemy.
	And he's everywhere.
	He's at work.
	You know, and we have...
	America was built...
	We just had this...
	Dvorak had this conversation.
	He's what he calls a lapsed Catholic, which is a fun descriptor.
	America was built on God-loving people, God-fearing people, and fearing doesn't mean, you know, it means revering, not that, oh, I'm so afraid of God.
	That's right.
	That's what it was built on.
	It's on our money, for better or for worse.
	It's everywhere in our symbols.
	It's everywhere in our ideology.
	It's throughout our constitution.
	Our Declaration of Independence, this was what the country was built on.
	And throughout history, these periods come and go, certainly with Christianity and God.
	And from time to time, you leave the door open and there's no one's in there.
	And then it's just open space.
	So when we start dropping religion, people need something.
	They need something in their lives, something to believe in, incomes, Climate change, incomes, you know, transhumanism.
	And so we need to start pushing back on that because ultimately no one wins with that.
	You know, Satan wins, the enemy wins, and it won't end up good for anybody.
	You know what I think you would enjoy, Mike?
	We interviewed Adam on Decentralized.tv, Pastor Todd Coronado.
	Coconato.
	I'm sorry.
	Yes.
	And Coconato.
	There was these moments where the Holy Spirit was just released.
	And the dialogue that went back and forth between the three of us, I know that you would appreciate it because it was totally organic.
	It was so fun.
	It was such a blessing to participate in that.
	But I kind of feel the same thing right now with you.
	And so thank you for opening up and sharing that because you're talking to two guys who are strong believers.
	Oh, sure.
	Yes, thank you.
	And also, I have to mention, this is the first time that we now have an afterlife afterparty.
	So thank you for bringing that level.
	We're all going to be partying in heaven eventually.
	This is a first on the show, so thank you, Adam.
	There's another guy, John L. Cooper.
	I don't know if you've ever heard of him.
	He's in kind of a metal band called Skillet, which has been around for a while.
	And he's a Christian.
	He's written a couple of books.
	His most recent one I'm just reading.
	I just want to give him a plug.
	It's called Wimpy, Weak, and Woke.
	And it is a dynamite book.
	And he's also a podcaster.
	Yeah, Wimpy, Weak, and Woke.
	There's a subtitle to it.
	Check that out.
	How...
	Hold on a second.
	Wimpy, Weak, and Woke.
	How...
	Oh man, it's my...
	How Truth Can Save America from Utopian Destruction.
	Thank you.
	There you go.
	That's it.
	Nice.
	Oh man, he sounds like an excellent guest prospect.
	He does sound like a great guest, yeah.
	Let's get him on.
	You'd be a great interview.
	Okay, we'll do that.
	All right, well...
	I love this.
	Thank you, Adam, for sticking with us here.
	I'm going to go help make dinner.
	Okay.
	Well, you know what?
	This is why people stick around, because it tends to be when we get more loose and sometimes goofy.
	So thank you for participating in this as well.
	Sounds good.
	I like talking about this.
	It's important.
	It's important that people hear it from people like us, too.
	It became a little unfashionable to be a Christian or to talk about God or Jesus.
	But when I hear my friend Joe Rogan saying, if only there was a guy...
	To life.
	You know, if only there was some, like, a manual, like, you get with your car.
	I'm like, who's going to tell Joe?
	Right.
	I saw that clip, yeah.
	It's there.
	And it's worth it.
	And it's helpful for anybody, even for me, you know, atheist most of all of my life until, you know, the last year and a half.
	Yeah, you know what?
	I want to share this with you, Mike.
	In a consultation I did this last week, a woman shared with me, she opened with thank you, and I'm like, for what?
	And she says, you reignited my faith.
	And I'm like, what are you talking about?
	And there was a show that Mike and I did and I was sharing about a pivotal point in my life when I was 42 and this guy named Adam, also Adam, told me, hey, you know, Todd, I've been thinking a lot about you.
	You've been on my heart and God just put on my heart to tell you that if God wrote a book, That you should probably read it.
	And to tell you to start with the book of John.
	And that's where it all started for me.
	I mean, I can talk for hours on the subject, but that's where it started for me.
	And this woman that I spoke with, she said that she went back and read the book of John.
	And that, quote unquote, reignited her faith.
	So that was very cool.
	That's like one of those, you know, butterfly wing flapping things that you never know what we say might positively affect others.
	And we don't even have a clue.
	Amen to that.
	We impact people every day, all of us and what we do.
	I'm glad to know you, Adam.
	Glad to meet you.
	I'm glad to know you, Todd.
	And I feel honored to be able to have this platform and do what we do and positively impact people's lives.
	So thank you both for everything today.
	Right on.
	Hey, you should release this on...
	No, that's too far from now.
	I was going to say Resurrection Sunday, but no, let's don't wait that long.
	No, no, hold it.
	We can bring it back on that, which would be appropriate.
	Yeah, there you go.
	We'll bring it back.
	This is one I hope we edit quickly, Mike.
	This was great.
	We will.
	Okay, my dog tells me the show's done.
	He's holding up.
	He's holding up toys.
	It's time to go.
	Okay.
	You see him, Adam?
	There he is.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, look at him.
	He's ready to go.
	Oh, such a dust.
	Get it.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right, Adam, a pleasure.
	We'll see you later.
	Enjoy the evening.
	Awesome.
	All right.
	Thank you, guys.
	All right.
	Cheers.
	Goodbye.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye, everyone.
	All right.
	Bye.
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