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March 29, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Roger Stone breaks huge news on Trump, Democrats' election meddling, Israel's 'mistake'...
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Welcome to today's interview on BrightTown.com.
I'm Mike Adams and our returning guest today, one of our fan favorites, is the one and only Roger Stone from StoneZone.com.
I'm not going to go through Roger Stone's entire history.
He's done so much for so many presidents and so many campaigns over the years.
He joins us today to talk about what's happening with Donald Trump and his political opponents for the remainder of this election season.
Welcome, Roger, to the show.
Great to have you on today.
Mike, always great to be back with you.
We really appreciate having you on because you're not afraid to address the tough questions and you and I can just talk openly about our concerns or about our enthusiasm.
I'd like to start this off by saying it looks like Trump's poll numbers are looking stronger in most cases.
He's had a couple of court victories or at least a recalibration of the New York case.
And at the same time, the economic implosion under Bidenomics continues to get worse, and the war in Ukraine continues to falter.
Both of these tend to lead towards people voting against the Democrats.
What's your overall sense of where Trump stands right now in the running?
Well, first of all, he is, let's face it, the luckiest human being that ever lived.
So on the brink of financial disaster, with the New York courts actually demanding a half billion dollar cash bond just in order to appeal the bad decision against him in the so-called valuations case, Turns out that his stock at Truth Social makes him perhaps the sixth richest man on the planet.
That is really, and you can hear in the background, what you hear is the gnashing of teeth at MSNBC and CNN and the three major networks.
Every time they think they've got him, well, they don't have him.
So, look, it is the combination of faith, hard work, planning, and yes, there's some luck involved, but as Frank Sinatra used to say, you make your luck.
You make your luck by being in the right place at the right time with the right message.
So our politics is extraordinarily volatile.
The electorate is extremely volatile.
People are very locked into their own positions.
The undecided group is exceedingly small.
But if you're Donald Trump, I think you take life one day at a time.
And so far, the tsunami of lawfare against him seems to be redounding to his benefit with the average voter who, I think, just sees through the whole thing.
And then this week, which I think is really significant, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and we've had endless debate about whether in the end he siphons votes from Biden and the Democrats or whoever the Democrats end up nominating, or whether he siphons votes from Donald Trump.
And we've had endless debate about whether in the end he siphons votes from Biden and the Democrats or whoever the Democrats end up nominating.
He out of the blue selects a running mate who is a hardcore leftist progressive Democrat who's given huge sums to Joe Biden, who admits that she's proudly vaccinated and I believe boosted any any Trump voter who may temporarily have been thinking who admits that she's proudly vaccinated and I believe boosted any any Trump voter who may temporarily have been thinking about voting for Only he is perfect.
There's no one who's perfect.
I think any Trump voter or Trump-leaning voter has to look at the choice of a running mate and be repelled.
In other words, what good does it do you to run on a reform agenda and argue the central tenet of your independent candidacy is that you can't be bought But then basically sell out to a mega, mega wealthy woman progressive who really doesn't share Kennedy's views on war, doesn't share his views on health freedom, doesn't share his views on the border.
I really think it was a very positive development, ironically.
I agree with you, and let's go down that road a little bit more.
You're referring to, I believe, Shanahan is her name, right?
Nicole Shanahan, yes.
The VP pick.
I just described it as, in my opinion, I think RFK just committed campaign suicide.
Because he was appealing to so many people on the right, actually, by talking or telling the truth about vaccines, about Fauci.
And that was where Trump was perceived as being sort of weak or not as well informed.
And RFK was very strong on that subject.
And then he picks a running mate who's jabbed and who has promoted all these things that you talked about, whose ex-husband was one of the co-founders of Google, one of the most evil corporations in the world that spies on the American people.
And RFK Jr. relied.
relied on her money for his Super Bowl ad, I think $4 million from her.
And it's kind of like the appearance, at least to people like myself, and I've been open to RFK's campaign for quite some time, but the appearance is that RFK chose a VP because she's the money train.
I think that's exactly right.
Look, this tells me several things.
First of all, his campaign is having an exceedingly difficult time getting on the ballot.
So for your listeners and viewers Running as an independent, you don't just walk in, sign a form, pay a small fee, and you're on the ballot.
It doesn't work that way.
There are 50 different state laws governing ballot access, and those laws are written by Republicans and Democrats working together to make sure there's no competition, not inside their parties and certainly not in a general election.
So I think in this case, Robert Kennedy made a decision based solely on the cash, the cash necessary to get him on the ballot.
At one time, I noticed in his interviews, he pegged that number at $20 million.
Now he's pegging that number at $50 million.
Well, look, I was I voted the Republican Party in 2012.
I could not vote for Mitt Romney.
There's no way there's no way in the world that that guy is a conservative.
There's no way in the world that that guy believes what you and I believe, Mike.
So I briefly joined the Libertarian Party and I was deeply involved in the successful efforts by Governor Gary Johnson, who had a very Incredible record as governor of New Mexico of cutting taxes, cutting spending and personal freedom and so on.
He ultimately got on the ballot in 48 states.
Would have been every state except for two state courts, I think, made entirely partisan political decisions.
Oklahoma hasn't had any independent or third-party candidate on the ballot since Ross Perot.
It's been that long.
Wow.
So I think he sold out for the money.
And this woman would be a heartbeat away from being President of the United States were he to be somehow elected.
I don't think it meets the smell test.
But Roger, his choice of a VP candidate...
His appeal to the left becomes stronger.
So that can work for Trump.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
So I think it did not benefit Robert Kennedy, but it did benefit Donald Trump in the sense that Trump voters are those leaning towards voting for Trump who may have been considering RFK. I think they'll now give that a second thought.
Alright, that's a fascinating analysis.
I agree with your analysis.
Let's go into an area where I'm not sure that we agree on this, but let's talk about Israel for a moment.
Trump, in the last week, said that Israel made a mistake by bombing civilians.
I'm paraphrasing, obviously, but I think he said Israel needs to finish it up or wrap it up, get it done, whatever he means by that.
I think he means destroy Hamas.
But that Israel made a mistake by resulting in so many civilian casualties, as that's really making so many people around the world dislike Israel's current leadership.
So Trump has probably distanced himself a little bit from what Netanyahu is doing.
What do you think is involved in the dynamics of that?
You know, when I saw Trump's comments on that, I thought to myself, wow, he must have seen my last interview with Mike Adams.
It's funny that you, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, both friends of ours, you've all come to the same conclusion, a conclusion that I must now agree with, that Israel is badly overplaying its hand.
Look, I'm a strong supporter of Israel.
By the way, as is Alex Jones, but I think this leadership is making both a political and a geopolitical mistake with the brutality of what they're doing in the region.
So I've seen a number of important...
Let's call them conservative opinion leaders reach that same conclusion.
It's the same conclusion that Donald Trump reached, that they're going in the wrong direction, that they can't justify the brutality of what they're doing.
Well, let's talk about the political...
By the way, that doesn't mean I'm pro-Hamas or pro-Iranian by any means.
No, me neither.
But I recognize terrorism wherever it is.
And in the Middle East, I'm afraid today I have to say that it's on both sides.
There are so many...
Smarter ways for Israel to handle this.
And Netanyahu, I mean, let's actually talk about the implications for the Democrats here.
Because Joe Biden and Antony Blinken, they must be pulling their hair out dealing with Netanyahu because Netanyahu will not listen to Blinken, will not listen to the West, will not listen to the International Court of Justice, nor the ICC, or the UN, or anybody.
Netanyahu is just like, we're going to bomb and bomb and bomb.
We're going to bomb Rafa on Ramadan if we want to, right?
He won't listen to anybody.
This is politically hurting Biden in a huge way.
And, you know, I've interviewed one Texas pro-American Muslim here in the studio who also confirmed with me that the Muslim communities see Genocide Joe.
That's the nickname for Joe Biden now.
They see him as Genocide Joe.
And importantly, Roger...
Even though they realize that Trump is a friend of Israel, they are still willing to vote for Trump over Genocide Joe to punish Joe for directly supporting the weapons being given to Israel.
So how do you think this is going to play out?
The proof of that is in the not...
Too long in the past Michigan primary, a third of the people voting in the primary, Democrats, voted for none of the above.
They basically voted for undecided, uncommitted.
The Muslim community is a crucial swing voting bloc in a state like Michigan.
Remember, Joe Biden is the incumbent, and the incumbent always has a particular set of political problems because they have the authority.
Donald Trump obviously is not the incumbent, and therefore I think in the end he will benefit Trump.
Both ways, first because some of those who favor the Palestinian position will not be voting for him, but at the same time, many, I think, American Jews who are reasonable, they'll stick with Donald Trump.
Yeah, it's a very delicate situation to navigate for sure, but Trump is, you know, he's an expert at that, and he's getting a lot of support from a lot of areas, including, let's talk about black America now.
So, you know, rappers and sort of cultural artists and influencers are coming out and saying, we need to give Trump a chance.
Do you think this is a result of the impact on the black communities of the illegal immigration in, especially in inner cities like Chicago and New York City?
Or to what do you attribute that?
I think it's attributable to several things.
First of all, I think many African Americans look at what Trump is being put through in the judicial system and they can identify it.
They've had the man on them for a long time.
The 1994 crime bill, written by Senator Joe Biden, then chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and signed into law by Bill Clinton, converts the war on drugs to penalize and put in place mandatory penalties for the first-time nonviolent crime of small amounts of drugs in your possession for personal use.
Now, if people have a drug abuse problem, they belong in drug treatment programs.
They don't need to be incarcerated if they have no previous criminal record and they're not a danger to anyone but themselves.
So I don't think Trump, frankly, in 2020, he did not talk enough about the reforms in the criminal justice system, which I, for one, supported.
But then secondarily, I think this is economically driven.
Trump's platinum economic development plan, which is really based on the black capitalism espoused by Richard Nixon in 1968.
You can go and look at the program.
It's very much like what Nixon proposed.
That is also a factor.
And then additionally, as you point out, these economic numbers that they're showing us are completely and totally manipulated.
And I think many African Americans in the cities, in the urban areas, Do see that not only are illegal immigrants stealing their job opportunities, but in a number of these states, by state law, the government has to slash...
education, law enforcement in order to provide social services for people who are not even American citizens and are not even here legally.
So all of those factors give Trump a historic opportunity, which is reflected in the polls, to make serious gains among what was up until now pretty much The most solid, monolithically democratic or democrat voting group in the country.
Never mind, just put that aside for a moment.
Trump's gains among Hispanics are absolutely historic.
There has never been a time in the 13 national Republican presidential campaigns in which I have worked as a senior staffer, some of the early ones as a junior staffer, there's never been a time when the Republican candidate was ahead of Right.
We always did well in that community.
We were gaining in that community.
I've now seen several credible polls, polls where I respect the methodology, where I respect the sample size, and I look at all the other technical aspects of the poll to determine that it is indeed scientifically sound and therefore significant.
You have Trump with an absolute majority, some places as high as 56% among Hispanic voters.
So you look at all of this and you wonder, how is it possible that Losing all these key constituencies or losing ground among these key constituencies that Joe Biden could possibly get re-elected.
Well, I have so many questions for you, including if you're still sticking with your prediction that Joe Biden will be replaced with someone like Michelle Obama.
I want to get to that in a minute.
But just to finish up that last thought, if you're a black New Yorker, let's say, living in New York at any income level, And you see your city being overrun by illegals.
You see your black mayor, Eric Adams, on one hand say New York City will be destroyed by illegal immigration.
And then on the other hand, oh, here's $53 million to hand out to illegals on debit cards that they can spend on anything while they're living in their hotels that we gave them free of charge.
What are you thinking as a black New Yorker looking at that?
How angry are you, you know?
It seems crazy.
Yeah, I think you'd be pretty resentful.
I mean, look, the Roosevelt Hotel, which is on the historic preserved landmarks list, was once one of the most elite watering holes in New York.
It was the headquarters for Governor Tom Dewey, who had a suite of rooms there, Governor Nelson Rockefeller, Mayor John Lindsay.
This is now essentially a dumping ground for illegals.
It's a shelter for illegals.
The police are called there numerous times a day.
People are defecating in the hallways.
People are having fights in the lobby.
It's a crime zone.
It's almost unthinkable.
So, yes, I think, could New York go red?
I think it's very, very difficult, but not impossible.
I think you have a revolt going on among some of the most important constituencies within the Democratic Party, and African Americans would certainly be among them.
Absolutely.
Now, let's get to your prediction.
Let me just set that up for you here.
I think we've seen, since we spoke last, roughly about a month ago, resistance on the part of Joe Biden for being replaced, and the Democrat Party is running out of time to replace Joe Biden through any kind of internal electoral process, at least as I understand it.
You, of course, know far more detail than I do.
Is it even possible for Democrats to really replace Biden at this point?
Or how would it work if they did?
Well, it's entirely possible because they cleared the field for him.
So there was no competition.
There is no competition in the Democratic nominating process.
So if we did nothing, Joe Biden is going to is ultimately going to accumulate enough delegates to be nominated.
But that does not mean that on the eve of the Democratic Convention, which I think is after the Republican Convention at this time, that he could not announce his intention not to resign as president, because he certainly doesn't want to lose the ability to pardon himself or his brother or son or other members of the Biden because he certainly doesn't want to lose the ability to pardon himself Right.
But but he could certainly announce that he is going to step down.
The pressure on him will be extraordinary.
We also don't know.
What's going on behind the scenes?
I may keep reading that Barack Obama visited the White House to tell Joe he's in trouble.
Does the time come, as I'm asking a rhetorical question, but does the time come when Kamala Harris and Barack Obama go to Joe and say, Joe, if you insist on running again, well, then we are going to have to enact the 25th Amendment.
And under the 25th Amendment, Biden can be removed as president simply with the support of the sitting vice president, Kamala Harris, who clearly could have an interest in that, and a majority of the cabinet.
Candidly, Barack Obama could put the votes together inside Joe's cabinet within an afternoon.
So, yes, I still think that Joe is resisting it.
That State of the Union address was designed to beat back this talk by having Joe look tough, talk tough, I think it backfired badly.
He looked angry.
He looked battled.
He looked frazzled.
Even working with a teleprompter, he still tripped over his own words.
So I do think the immediate circle around him of his aides want him to run for re-election.
You've got to wonder what's going on in Kamala Harris's mind.
I mean, first she reads, she probably knew this, Joe never wanted her to begin with.
Joe was still sore about the fact that in the debates, she had beat him up pretty badly about the aforementioned 1994 crime bill, and she basically called him a racist.
Kamala Harris was forced on him by none other than Barack Obama.
And I think there's credible evidence that Joe wanted to replace Kamala Harris with Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan.
How ironic would it be if in the end it's Kamala Harris who replaces Joe Biden?
Wow.
All right.
So...
A lot of interesting things to look forward to there, but do you think that, you said you think that Barack Obama could put together the votes to invoke the 25th Amendment in an afternoon.
Are they willing to go that far if Joe resists?
Because, I mean, that would be a civil war inside the Democrat Party.
Well, the real question is not whether they have the fortitude to do it, it's whether they have the fortitude to threaten to do it, in which case Biden will perhaps take a hard look at the situation and realize that his situation is untenable.
So, look, this is all politics, and I could well turn out to be wrong, but he has the smell of a loser about him.
Democrats down the ballot have to be worried about that because they don't want to get dragged down in the undertow.
I think right now there's an internecine war.
War going on within the Democratic Party.
None of this is public.
They're not going to show it to us.
But I still think that there's a reasonable probability that they will swap him out for Michelle Obama.
If they swap him out for Kamala Harris, again, this will only benefit Donald Trump.
Her poll numbers are even worse than Joe Biden's poll numbers.
And she doesn't have dementia, but she makes no sense whatsoever.
And visiting an abortion clinic, this is celebrating abortion.
So, I mean, I think that was also a strategic mistake.
Look, they they the Democrats believe since they cannot run on Joe Biden's record, since his record is abysmal on every front, gas prices, inflation or the Middle East, his handling of the Russia, Ukraine situation where he his his handling of the Russia, Ukraine situation where he his State Department had multiple opportunities to end that war through a negotiated settlement.
And it wasn't the Ukrainians who said no.
No, it was our State Department that said no.
When you combine all of those things, I still think the internal pressure on him is going to be extraordinary.
Now, he's a very, very stubborn guy.
People I know who served him in the Senate talk about his stubbornness and his actual belief, I would call it delusion, That he's the best qualified person in the country to be president.
He said it in that angry press conference.
He also said, who else could do what I have done?
I thought about that.
I said, yes, indeed.
But you see, he actually thinks he's doing a great job.
He actually thinks he's popular in these poll numbers.
He keeps telling his aides, well, they're just wrong.
No, they're not wrong.
So I still think it's entirely possible.
Well, I was living in that D.C. bubble and the fake news media bubble.
And if that's all they pay attention to, then they're completely disconnected from reality.
You mentioned Ukraine.
I'd like to ask you this.
Do you think Victoria Nuland was forced out because the political cost to Joe Biden of a loss in Ukraine is too high?
Or...
What do you think's behind Nuland leaving?
I noticed the policies haven't changed.
Still the same neocon type of policies there.
What do you think?
Look, I think she's one of the most epically evil people in public life today.
I think she's directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians as well as Russians.
This policy, which I'm sure they promised the president this would be a quick victory, has been a disaster.
I know this.
The answer is not shipping billions more to the Ukrainians.
That is not the answer.
So whether she was forced out or whether she saw this all collapsing in on her, we'll never know that.
But you're right.
The policies haven't changed.
They're kind of stuck.
Now, I respect military experts like Colonel Douglas McGregor or General Michael Flynn, many others that I have huge respect for.
They all tell me you have a stalemate on the ground in that conflict and it's not going to change.
And at the end of the day, the Russians have the capacity to wear the Ukrainians down.
Indeed.
I think it's only, this is my opinion, but I think the terms of Ukraine's surrender will be ultimately negotiated probably sometime later this year.
And they could have been negotiated at the very beginning.
Absolutely.
I mean, Biden himself blurted out that he would have been willing to give them the Donbass in certain areas of Ukraine in order to have peace.
He actually said that himself at one point.
Yet it is his Secretary of State that has scuttled any...
We don't even have peace talks going on.
We're not even trying to solve the conflict.
We don't even have anybody in political power in any Western nation that's even talking about peace.
You used to hear that word a lot, mostly from the left, especially during Desert Storm.
There was always the peace movement.
Where's the peace movement?
Nobody wants peace in the West anymore.
You don't even hear it.
Yeah, it is.
The parties have really switched positions.
So the Democrats used to hate the FBI. Remember during the Vietnam War, they hated the FBI. They held themselves out as the party of civil liberties.
What happened to that Democratic Party?
What happened to the Democratic Party of John F. Kennedy that was pro-capitalist and pro-free enterprise and was fiercely anti-communist?
That Democratic Party literally no longer exists.
That's true.
Absolutely.
Alright, next question for you.
Thank you for the rapid-fire format here.
We've got a lot to cover.
And I know you've already done a lot of interviews today as well.
You're a busy man.
But that's good.
Your opinions are in demand.
That's good to hear.
Trump's most likely vice presidential pick.
We've heard names float around like Senator J.D. Vance and many others.
Where do you think that's leaning if you have any insight on that?
I don't think it's leaning anywhere at the moment.
I think the president is still looking at his options.
From what I understand, the list of possibilities is getting longer rather than shorter.
He clearly has not yet made up his mind.
And by the way, Mike, he's in no hurry to do so.
And he doesn't have to run because this decision doesn't have to be made until July.
So there's several criteria here.
President Nixon once told me directly, when looking for a vice presidential running mate, don't look for someone who can help you.
Just try to find someone who doesn't hurt you.
Agreed.
I think that's exactly right.
On the other hand, there's another school of thought, which is to say you're locked in a very tight race.
In all the polls, Trump is still under 50%.
He needs to make ground among certain key Democratic voter groups.
We identified two of them already, African Americans and Hispanics.
The one area where we haven't made ground since 2016 is among women.
That would argue, at least on the surface, for the selection of a woman running mate, an Elise Stefanik from upstate New York, for example, or Tulsi Gabbard, who we've talked about, would be a very controversial pick.
I don't think that this, we're not even at the beginning of this process.
I think he's still thinking about his options, but let's look at the criteria.
First and foremost, you have to select somebody who voters can look at and say, yes, that person has the experience, the depth, the temperament, and the judgment to actually be president if anything, God forbid, should happen to Trump.
I like J.D. Vance.
I like him a lot.
But two years in the U.S. Senate, And prior to that being an author and a Netflix star, I don't know that he's ready.
By the way, I think J.D. Vance could be president someday.
I like him a lot.
I like his policies.
I like his courage.
I do think Ohio's probably...
Probably the only large state that's actually safe for the Republicans.
But I think you're going to go through cycles here where a candidate is thought to be a favorite or in the running, and then that cycle will be over.
So three weeks ago it was Kristi Noem, the governor of South Dakota.
Same criteria.
Small state.
You look at her and I don't think people will think that she has the gravitas, the grounding, the judgment, the experience to be president.
It's a very tough role to fill.
So Trump's got to decide which model he prefers.
Does he want someone who does no harm?
But who voters also see as a plausible president in the event of disaster?
Or does he want to do something, you know, that throws the bomb, that is more controversial, maybe riskier, but may bring him some new votes that he doesn't already have?
It's a very tough decision.
I do think, however, that there's one third criteria, and that is he has to pick someone who could reliably be counted on To continue the America First agenda, this idea of ticket balancing, which used to be required in American politics, the idea that he should take a neocon, for example, I think that would be an egregious mistake.
Well, that's one of my fears is that Trump would pick another Mike Pence type of person.
I mean, I don't think he's going to make that mistake, but I do have those concerns from his first administration that he tended to choose people who turned out to really betray the America First agenda.
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, no, that's why I was happy to see him absolutely, completely rule out the possibility of Nikki Haley.
That's not going to happen.
There's a lot of discussion of Senator Marco Rubio.
By the way, I like Rubio.
His constituent service has been very helpful to my family.
My wife has had some health challenges, and he's been very, very helpful to us.
Philosophically, I don't think he's, even though he's been very good on Cuba, very good on Venezuela, hardline anti-communists, worked very well with Trump in this hemisphere, we still have the fundamental problem of the 12th Amendment of the Constitution.
Now, the 12th Amendment of the Constitution, it really doesn't prohibit Two individuals who are legal residents of the same state from being president and vice president, it doesn't prohibit it, but it discourages it because were you to choose someone in the state,
say General Michael Flynn or Congressman Byron Donalds or Well, it's not clear that the electors could cast their votes.
So you would forfeit the 37 electoral votes of Florida.
I think this race is going to be so close that that's a risk that you could not possibly take.
Yeah, that actually brings us to the next question about the political maneuverings of how electoral votes are counted.
Now, you've been tracking this story very closely about the resignation of Republicans from the House.
And this appears to be, and I will frame this as an appearance, Perhaps you can give us more information.
It appears that somebody with a lot of money is paying Republican members of Congress to resign at certain strategic moments to maximize the pain to Trump's potential election victory so that the Democrats would have a majority I think it's far more insidious than that.
If you look at the Colorado ballot access decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, while it was a victory for Trump in that it said that the states did not have the authority to borrow a candidate for federal office, It did say that the Congress could do so.
So I do think, and I've named names, I've talked about this on my show, The Stone Zone, which you can see on Rumble, also at my website, The Stone Zone, where I've written about it extensively.
What I think you have here is a revenge play by Kevin McCarthy, who's still sore about being dumped as the speaker, funded by the globalist, vulture capitalist Paul Singer, to whittle away The Republican majority in the House so that sometime between now and November, there are enough resignations and enough vacancies to make Hakeem Jeffries the Speaker of the House.
If that happens, the legislation has already been introduced by the odious Jamie Raskin from Maryland based on the court's decision to declare that Trump is...
I took part in an insurrection and is therefore ineligible to be on the ballot.
They would rubber stamp that 51-49 in the Senate, and it's lights out for Donald Trump if that happens.
Now, you've got four vacancies there right now.
Of those four vacancies, one of them will go back to the Democrats.
We have to win three special elections to bolster our margin.
We're, I think, at 218 today.
You need 217 You need 217 to stay in a majority.
I think that that is the more significant play.
Now, some on the left have written and spoken openly about refusing to certify Trump's election if he wins in the Electoral College.
That surprises me because...
When Trump did that, based on election fraud, they said it was seditious.
They said that it was illegal and so on.
But now they're talking about doing it themselves.
The danger, I think, Mike, is not after the election.
I think the danger is right now, between now and November.
So let's take this fellow Mike Gallagher from Wisconsin.
He resigned.
He resigned with plenty of time.
Pardon me, he announced his resignation, but he has not resigned.
But he announced his resignation.
He could have done that in such a way that there'd be an immediate special election in the 6th District of Wisconsin where he would be replaced by a Republican.
But instead, he delayed his actual resignation date until such a time that it's too late under state law to have a special election so that seat will remain vacant.
That brings down the total number of members of the House and it brings down the total number that the Democrats need to take control.
So why did Gallagher do this?
Who induced him to do that?
Who's paying him to do that?
That, I think, is the question.
Yeah, because this is an attack on our democracy that I think, I mean, I did not anticipate this, that members of Congress could at least theoretically be offered large sums of money by wealthy people to resign at certain strategic moments.
Now, If this happens, the two scenarios that you outlined, pre-election and post-election, this will be perceived.
If the Democrats, in other words, pass a law, sign it into law that Trump cannot run, and let's say that happens in September, just as a guess, That will only be perceived by the American people as a treasonous act to deny the people of America their choice in the election.
I mean, that will be seen as election meddling the establishment, trying to dictate who you're allowed to even vote for.
Well, I would say two things.
First and foremost, for those out there who say, well, surely the courts would never allow that.
Unfortunately, the courts have actually invited it.
You need to read the Colorado decision to understand that.
So there would be no judicial recourse.
The harsh treatment of January 6th detainees, the expanded list of those yet to be arrested and prosecuted, the brutal punishment of some of them.
This is meant to send the American people a message that you dare not raise a hand against this government or look what we will do to you.
What will happen in that instance?
Mike, I honestly don't know.
I really don't know.
Yes, the people will be very angry and very unhappy, but Look, I've made my whole life in democratic elections in our constitutional republic.
And therefore, to me, violence is never the answer.
But I do think the left is...
they're playing for all the marbles here because they know that if Donald Trump gets back into power, he's an existential threat to everything they are doing.
If he cleans house at the Justice Department and in our intelligence agencies and in those agencies where the public health is monitored and regulated, well, that is a direct threat to the established order and the status quo.
Well, let's explore this a little bit more because – The Biden administration and the State Department just reacted to the Russia election, the re-election of Vladimir Putin, by saying that that's not a real election because there was only one real choice of a candidate who had a leading position.
So then if the Democrats take Trump off the ballot, aren't they doing exactly what they accused Russia of doing?
Yes, but they have no fear of being accused of hypocrisy.
None whatsoever.
But even all around the world, though, there are election observers from other countries and the United Nations and so on.
There would be global consequences for removing Trump from the ballot.
And this is at a time when the United States of America is already increasingly being rejected by the Global South, where you have BRICS nations that are forming their own new currency systems to make the dollar obsolete.
And if the U.S. loses its moral position...
As being a country of freedom of speech and personal liberty and honest elections and humanitarian principles, by the way, all of which I think have been completely abandoned by the Biden regime, then...
The U.S. could find itself really isolated globally.
Or am I going too far with that?
What's your take?
I have to be honest with you.
I'm a political scientist, not a fortune teller.
So I'm not able to tell you what would happen.
I agree with your conclusions, but I don't know where that leaves us politically.
I mean, yes, the American people would think it was manifestly unfair, but look at the reaction of the left.
When the Supreme Court, to their surprise, I think, ruled that you could, the states on an individual basis, as coached by Norm Eisen and others on the left, the folks at Crewe, to try to do that.
They went absolutely insane.
If you saw Chris Hayes on MSNBC, this guy had a literal meltdown on the air calling this the MAGA Supreme Court.
Well, that's a surprise to me.
21 state attorney generals appealed to them to review the election results and they refused to do so.
So the Supreme Court doesn't sound very MAGA to me.
Right.
Well, exactly.
So what you're saying is there's no mechanism that could stop this plot.
If enough members of the House who are Republicans resign between now and Election Day?
Well, the good news is you've got three special elections coming up in May and June, so that should widen our control by a couple seats.
Today on the Stone Zone, actually, we went through a list of potential retirees based on who has endorsed Trump and who has not, who's hitting, you know, I think we've identified a list of potential perps if it goes down this way.
On the other hand, for example, in the race for Kevin McCarthy's seat, Scott Bau, who's a solid conservative and a very good man, he led in the first round, and I think he's going to take that seat.
He will be a welcome, welcome player.
Improvement over Kevin McCarthy, to say the least.
We have to win these next three special elections to try to avoid this calamity.
Again, I'm not saying this will happen, but I am saying that it is one of the fallback plays of the deep state.
I'm just, well, let's go to the post-election scenarios then.
Suppose that Trump, suppose he stays on the ballot, he wins enough electoral votes.
What are the mechanisms by which the Democrats, if they had a majority in the House at that point, could attempt to reject the certification of those electoral votes?
There's a fellow named Berman who wrote an extensive article about this for The Atlantic that I found shocking.
But on the other hand, if they control the machinery of government, if they control the criminal justice system and the police, the law enforcement agencies, the federal law enforcement agencies, could they make that stick?
Yes.
I think we call that authoritarianism.
We call it a dictatorship.
Sadly, that is potentially where we are heading.
One of the things they want to do, Mike, is to goad us into saying that we would react violently to that.
That's part of the trick here.
They want us to say that.
I denounce that.
I do not subscribe to that view just for the folks over at Media Matters for America who are no doubt monitoring this at this very moment.
Well, look what they did to the Trump bloodbath quote when he was talking about the auto industry, right?
So they twisted that all.
All out of context, of course.
It's very interesting.
You should grab this.
I'll send it to you if you haven't seen it.
Of Nancy Pelosi describing how this works.
She says it's called the wrap-up smear.
I remember that, yeah.
We take a falsehood, we feed it to a friendly ally in the media.
They then print it as if it's a fact.
We then merchandise it, her words, and we point to it saying, see, it's been reported on, therefore it's true.
It's called the wrap-up smear.
How many of these have we seen?
Let's see, there was the Russian collusion hoax based on the Steele dossier.
There's one.
The Russians hacked the DNC and gave the information to WikiLeaks.
No evidence of that.
Just a claim by John Brennan.
Trump saying, oh, if you have COVID-19, drink bleach.
That'll solve the problem.
How about this one?
Trump has the nuclear codes.
He's keeping them at Mar-a-Lago.
He intends to sell them to the Russians or the Chinese.
They always use the exact same tactic.
Nancy called it right.
It's the wrap-up smear.
Well, and...
On top of that, the Democrats right now, because they are in power, they say violence is not acceptable and any form of violence is an insurrection.
And you and I both, we reject the use of violence to solve political differences.
But, as we saw when Trump was in power, the left condoned the use of violence to try to topple the Trump government.
I mean, for four years, the left was anti-government.
And they had Black Lives Matter and Antifa throwing Molotov cocktails, attacking federal officers and law enforcement officials, attacking federal buildings.
And CNN would report it's mostly peaceful.
But if it were conservatives doing those things, it would be an insurrection.
And in fact, we know if you follow this transition integrity project, And this woman, Mary McCord, who seems to be the principal actor in the Russian collusion hoax, the principal actor in the Ukrainian impeachment hoax, the principal actor in the January 6th controversy.
They've already had legislation introduced from the senator from Connecticut, Blumenthal.
You remember him, the great Vietnam War hero.
Right.
Who never served in Vietnam.
that he's already introduced legislation to essentially strip the president's control of the military.
Let me redefine that.
They basically want to strip civilian control of the military, as our friend Alex Jones has hypothesized.
That way, when they foment riots across the country by BLM and Antifa, Trump would not have the authority as president to put those riots down.
And if he did so, well, then they would use that as an argument for impeachment and removal.
Right.
It's really it's really quite insidious.
It's like if if Trump wins, the left plans to use violence.
If Trump loses, the left plans to accuse the right of using violence.
Our Constitutional Republic is really imperiled at this moment, and they have various different scenarios because they are so very desperate to stop the return of Donald Trump.
See, this is a wiser Donald Trump than the one they dealt with the first time.
He's now been through the Washington system.
He understands it much, much better.
He's got a much better fix on who the bad guys are, as well as who the good guys are.
So this is life and death for them.
Many people in government today would face prosecution, and I think rightfully so.
And we might return to a judicial system where the rule of law, which they talk about endlessly but they really don't support, is actually the accepted rule of thumb.
Right, right.
And let me just say for the record, I think you'll agree with me on this, that you and I both hope and pray for...
Organized, legal and lawful elections and that the will of the people is accurately counted and represented and we don't want to see any kind of violence.
We don't want to see America split apart.
In fact, I am happy to honor the outcome of any election even if my candidate doesn't win if the election is carried out with integrity.
That's how democracy is supposed to function because as I understand it, voting is...
You know, the more modern way to choose representatives rather than the ancient ways of, you know, kings just killing each other.
We don't want that.
No, I think that's well put.
So what we're hoping for, indeed in my case praying for, are free, fair, honest, transparent elections.
If we have those such elections, I actually think Trump will win.
But if we have such an election, and Trump is not allowed to take office as required by the Constitution, as laid out by the Constitution, I don't know what the consequences are.
And I certainly don't want to speculate about it.
Okay.
Well, fair enough.
I just think that if that happens, if...
If Trump wins, and it's clear to the American people that Trump has won, and the Democrats disallow him from taking office, then they are unfolding a map of history in real time that none of us have ever seen, and Democrats could be laying out a very dangerous path for how things proceed, and I hope that doesn't happen.
I hope the will of the people is honored, and I know you do too, Roger.
Thank you.
Sure.
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Have a blessed Easter, and it's always great to see you, Mike.
God bless you and your family.
All right.
You too, Roger.
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Also, have you seen these?
These are gold backs, and we've got different denominations to show you there.
They come in 50, 25, 10, 5, and 1s.
That's a stack of 1s.
This is 1,000th of a troy ounce of gold, and it's embedded in the polymer layers in the gold backs, and you can get them, again, at those different denominations, so it's good divisibility of gold.
And since the gold is in the goldback itself, it's not some fiat currency.
It's actually a piece of gold that you can use for gifts or barter or trade.
Even in a local community, if the grid goes down, a lot of people might be using gold and silver or goldbacks.
Now, if you go to our website, verifiedgoldbacks.com, that's our affiliate site, we do earn a little bit off your purchase there, but what we've done is we've done the laboratory testing.
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We verified the purity and the masses of the gold that are embedded in these different bills.
And in fact, I've got here in these vials in my hands right here, this is actually one of the pellets of gold.
I melted it down into like a BB shape.
I don't know if you can see it, but I've got gold in these three vials right here.
Yeah, there you can kind of see it moving around there.
You can hear them.
And we did the tests on these, and this is the gold that came out of these goldbacks.
So we were able to confirm the gold is real.
It's 24 karat plus, and it actually exceeds the mass that's required.
Our recovery ranged from 102% to about 100 and, what was it, typically 105%.
I've got the results here.
Check this out.
Look at these photos.
I did all this myself.
So if you melt them down, you get this, and then you keep melting, you get it into like a pellet, and then you use an analytical balance in the laboratory, and you do the math.
It's pretty amazing.
At first you get this gold foil, which is pretty cool, and then you can melt the foil into this BB pellet-looking thing.
Anyway, here's the recoveries we got.
From a low of 102.89%, or 101.96%, that's the lowest, to 107% recovery.
And the bottom line is, if you want real gold in your hands that's divisible, that is also incredibly beautiful, that people instantly love, they recognize this, they see, wow, that's gold, and they're actually looking at gold.
This isn't paint.
this is the gold just kind of made really thin and put into this format and then sandwiched between polymers.
Goldbacks are your answer.
So check out verified goldbacks.com and there you can purchase goldbacks and you can help support this platform at the same time because we earn a small percentage.
And this is a really good form of off grid money.
And you might have gold coins or silver coins, And I strongly encourage gold and silver coins, but a gold coin is a pretty big piece of value to try to trade with, you know?
You're in a farmer's market, like, I want a loaf of bread.
What do you have?
I have a one-ounce gold coin.
Well, that's worth $2,100 now, or $2,200.
Gold's skyrocketing.
So, what are you going to do?
Like, buy a loaf of bread and then give me change for the one ounce of gold?
No.
But if you're trying to buy that loaf of bread with a goldback, you say, hey, how would you like one one thousandth of an ounce of gold for that loaf of bread in this format, goldbacks, which actually has a premium over just the raw price of gold because it's better than just one one thousandth of an ounce of gold.
I mean, it's in a format that's...
It's beautiful to look at.
It's durable.
You can carry it.
It fits in a wallet or a pocket or a purse.
A lot of merchants will say, absolutely, I'll take that gold.
And now you can buy a loaf of bread or you can buy a bag of potatoes or whatever, depending on what the economy looks like after the debt collapse.
I don't know what it's going to look like exactly, but I know I want gold and silver, and I want to have lots of different options of money that works off-grid.
So, yeah, our grid's not reliable.
Our monetary system is not reliable.
The currency is not reliable.
But you know what you can count on?
Physical gold and silver in your hands.
That's what you can count on.
It doesn't need a password.
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This has value all by itself.
And gold has had value for centuries.
I mean, come on, millennia, what am I saying?
And it will continue to have value long after the collapse of the dollar and probably the collapse of Western civilization itself.
So, there you go.
That's why the wealthy are buying gold like crazy.
That's why gold is spiking.
What is it now?
Let me actually bring it up.
Gold.
Here it is right now.
Gold at $2,128.
Silver at $23.67.
These are all skyrocketing.
Bitcoin is skyrocketing.
Gold is skyrocketing.
Monero is skyrocketing.
Why?
Because people who know what's about to happen, they are bailing out of the banks.
They're bailing out of the dollars.
They're getting out of the system.
They're going to off-grid forms of asset protection, and that's gold and silver and land and certain types of crypto and maybe food supplies or ammunition supplies.
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Look at that.
That's beautiful.
That's gold.
This is so cool.
The 50 is thick.
It is very thick.
And it's much larger than the 1.
Because there's 51 thousandths of an ounce of gold in this.
And if you could feel it, it's heavier.
It's thicker.
Because the gold is actually in there, you really can't put much more gold in a bill than 51 thousandths of an ounce.
So they've done a great job with this, the Goldback Company, and this is something that has really intrigued a lot of people, and it's another form of having stores of value that are highly divisible and have high utility, more utility than just a one-ounce coin itself.
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