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March 14, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Researcher Bart Sibrel reveals stunning AI evidence and “deathbed confession”...
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And one of the interesting things that's happened since COVID is that more and more people are questioning official narratives, even retroactively.
They're looking back in history and saying, well, wait a minute.
If we were lied to about COVID and lied to about its origins, and we were lied to about the effectiveness and the safety of the vaccines and the effectiveness of masks and lockdowns and social isolation and all these things, well, what else were we lied to about?
And our guest today has been persistently stating for many years that we've been lied to about the moon landings, the Apollo moon landings in particular, but other elements as well.
His name is Bart Sabrell.
His website is sabrell.com.
That's S-I-B-R-E-L dot com.
Let me bring it up for you here.
And one of his top books is called Moon Man by Bart Sabrell.
I have interviewed Bart previously.
We bring him back today.
To ask new questions about what he says are the staged, faked moon landings.
So welcome, Bart, back to the show.
A little tongue twister there.
I apologize.
Too many bees there, Mike.
How are you?
Welcome back.
Yeah, it's great to have you back on the show.
Thank you.
Alright, so for people who aren't familiar with you and your work and Moon Man, I want to set the frame here.
You're not saying that the Earth is flat.
You're not saying that they haven't sent probes to the Moon.
You're saying that the manned missions to the Moon were faked.
Is that correct?
Yes, absolutely.
There's a significant difference because of radiation.
For example, you could x-ray a toaster a thousand times, it'll still make toast for you.
You x-ray a person a thousand times, you're going to get in trouble.
So this book that you referred to is interactive.
As far as I know, it's the first video interactive book.
And all those links you can see for free at sabrell.com.
Basically, I write a chapter, and then there's a video, another chapter video, to back up everything I'm saying.
And what you're talking about, or we're talking about the radiation, one of the clips there is Kelly Smith, an engineer at NASA. But he's in his 20s, you see.
And so he's a little maybe pure in nature, maybe the most.
And he talks about them sending unmanned probes through a field of radiation, which he refers to as dangerous, meaning deadly to humans.
And then he says that this radiation belt to go through it to the moon and back and survive, that the technology to do so has yet to be invented.
I mean, this is pretty serious, isn't it?
Most people don't know this.
This radiation belt doesn't start until 1,000 miles up, and most missions are around 250 miles.
And then it's 30,000 miles thick.
Oh, wow.
Okay, so they're going to spend a lot of time in that radiation belt.
But let me back up and say, this means that you can have astronauts in an orbiting space station, and they're not being subjected to that radiation belt that you're referring to, correct?
Correct.
Yeah, they're 750 miles below it.
The only time humans are said to have gone through it was to the moon and back.
And if we could drive cars and play golf on the moon with 1960s technology, then why are we only able to send mannequins through the radiation belt 54 years later?
I mean, NASA is saying on camera, one of their employees, one of their engineers, the technology to survive going through the radiation to the moon and back for a human being has not been invented yet.
You understand?
And so the first point that you brought up is this is opening people's eyes.
They see the lies in COVID. And so what I want to remind people of is kind of tag on to that thought, Mike, which is Robert Kennedy Jr., okay, he has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does.
And if it's his opinion, with 100% certainty that the CIA murdered their own duly elected president, and then we have Robert McNamara, former defense secretary, Who said that the whole start of the Vietnam War was completely contrived by an imaginary event called the Gulf of Tonkin incident,
that Congress passed a law because of the CIA fabrication, which led to the death of three million people and 58,220 of their own citizens.
So if they're willing to kill their own president, if they're willing to kill 58,220 of their own people, I don't think they have a problem faking an image of the moon on a TV screen.
And so for the first time in history, we have greater technology in the past than in the future.
But that's impossible historically and scientifically, you see.
Well, I mean, microprocessors barely existed back then.
I mean, you know, a person's typical iPhone today is probably a million times more computational power than what was even available back then for the moon lander at any time.
That's the best estimate.
If you took all the computers in 1969, this is before microwaves, before cell phones were known, took all the computing power and all the computers at NASA when they allegedly went to the moon, that's one millionth the computing power of cell phones.
So what they're claiming is in 1969, with one millionth the computing power of cell phones, they went a thousand times farther than Then they can go today with 50-year better rockets and computers, because the farthest that they can send a human into orbit today with five decades better technology is only one thousandth the distance to the moon.
You see what I'm saying?
If we could go to the moon on the first attempt, we would have been on Mars 10 years later, and there'd be bases all over the moon by now.
You see, we'd be in another solar system by now.
Yeah, okay, really good point.
I don't understand that.
What I want to mention about your website, by the way, is that you really lay out a lot of compelling evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence.
And when you mentioned earlier they were playing golf on the moon, you're exactly right.
I saw that in some of your videos.
The astronauts were bragging about that.
I want to show a little clip here that was making the rounds recently, and it's called the Apollo 17 liftoff from the moon.
December 14, 1972.
So I'm going to hit play on this.
It's only about 30 seconds, but folks, watch as this liftoff happens and ask yourself, who's the cameraman?
Because the cameraman zooms back and then pans up, kind of clumsily, pans up, And so someone is controlling the zoom and pan in order to film this, and I'm thinking, like, I'm the cameraman.
Come back for me.
Hey, guys, where are you going?
Where are you going?
You know, it's like...
Well, actually, there's, if I may...
Yeah, go ahead.
There's a better point than that one.
You know, they had it remotely controlled, allegedly, but that's not really the issue.
And in fact, you and I will understand this even better.
There's a delay from the Earth to the Moon, though.
I mean...
Exactly.
We'll tell the audience, before you and I started this conversation, we were having a lag and a delay on the internet.
I would say something and then my video would be lag behind.
Just watch CNN talk to a person in Iraq, unless they're in the next studio.
If they're really in Iraq, they go like, and how's it looking there?
Right, exactly.
There's a long delay.
It's looking fine here, and that's just going halfway around the world.
So the issue with that video is actually, with the delay, not only at least two seconds there and two seconds back, it's going through all that analog equipment.
Today's digital, and there's still almost a four-second delay between asking the question and the answer.
So how could they, with that delay, if you want to show the clip again, the camera perfectly followed Yeah, I'll show it again.
But what's the delay supposed to be?
How could they pan exactly with it, with the delay, unless they're there?
Go ahead and show my screen.
Yeah.
Here it is.
Okay, wait.
Let me back it up.
Here it is.
Okay, yeah, exactly.
If they were controlling this from Houston to the moon, there's no way that they could track it.
Yeah, and here's another point, and I'm sure it's in your notes, so I'm going to jump ahead because it ties in.
About four months ago, there was an international conference of AI, just like they have automobile conferences and shoe conferences or whatever your business is.
And just like at the automobile conference, they have the car that goes 150 miles an hour and they'll let you drive around the track.
That never makes it to the market somehow.
And so they had the most advanced AI there.
And the most advanced AI in the world is actually a network of multiple AIs.
It's called Google's Neural Network.
Millions of dollars, you know, tens of years to develop this.
It's the latest and greatest AI. And it has in it a deep fake detection protocol.
And you can feed it a video of Trump or Biden.
and it can tell you in one second whether or not this is really Trump or computer simulation of him.
It has never been wrong.
So one team, you know, they let you play around with it for three days.
So one team had it write a symphony.
Another team had it compose a novel.
And another team fed it pictures from unmanned probes from China of the lunar surface a few years ago through the deepfake protocol program.
And it said they're real.
And then in comparison, which was the true genius of the experiment, they fed it pictures of the Apollo mission.
And it instantly said they're fake.
All of them are fake for multiple reasons.
In fact, like that video we just showed, they had one image of an astronaut.
And the computer said it's not even an astronaut.
It's a miniature of an astronaut.
It said fake background, fake foreground, it's not a person, it's a miniature.
It even knew that the footprints, which they did like on a stick with a foot boot, you know, like this, this, this, and this on the set, it said a human doesn't walk that way.
These are irregular footsteps.
No human would walk that way.
Wow.
And so this story should be on every news station in the world.
And get this, Mike.
I got the Russian translation of it.
I copied it.
And when I went back, because I'm making a video about it, I wanted to prepare.
And that's on the homepage of sabrell.com, this new AI discovery.
The link was gone.
There's nothing there.
So then I asked the guy, well, where's the original Russian link?
And Google translate wouldn't translate.
It would translate the script from Gillian's Island into Russian or Russian English, but it wouldn't translate the article.
Then I found the super original one before that one.
And I clicked on it and it says, if you proceed.
All the data on your computer will be stolen and you'll be associated with child pornography.
What?
This is how desperate they are because this is alarming.
I think this is the finger out of the dike, Mike, because you could say the god of the world and achievements.
The greatest achievement of mankind is, of course, if it were real, putting a man on the moon.
And then the Messiah of science, if you want to call it that, is AI.
So a lot of intellectuals who previously thought the moon missions are real, AI, the most intelligent entity in the world, said the Chinese probe pictures on the surface are real.
And the Apollo missions on the surface are completely fake in a TV studio.
Wow.
Wow.
They can't put your finger back in the dike anymore about that.
Okay, hold on, Bart.
You've got a video on your website that I want to play.
It's a three-minute moon fraud in three minutes video.
I want to play that for the audience.
This is just a three-minute overview of some of the highlights of why the moon landings The Apollo moon landings with human beings were faked.
And it also helps answer the question, like, why hasn't America sent people back to the moon?
Why hasn't Russia put people on the moon?
Why hasn't China or India put people on the moon or the EU? Because it's not possible for them to survive the journey.
That's why.
But take a look at this three-minute video, folks, and then we'll continue.
Some people say it's hard to believe that the moon landings were faked.
I say it's hard to believe that they were real.
What NASA is claiming is that they went 1,000 times farther than they can go today with 50 year older technology on the very first attempt with one millionth of the computing power in all of NASA than is in a cell phone.
All the proof that you need that the moon landings are fake is in this one picture.
In sunlight, shadows will always run parallel with one another.
This is because the Sun is about a million times bigger than the Earth, and it casts shadows in the same direction over an entire continent.
So you'll see in sunlight, shadows always run parallel and never intersect.
Here's a picture which the federal government claims was taken on the Moon.
The astronaut's shadow runs at 12 o'clock, and this rock, only about 5 feet away, the shadow runs at 9 o'clock.
This is a 90 degree difference from objects 5 feet apart from one another.
This proves that this was taken on Earth with an electrical light inside of a television studio.
This is all the proof that you need that the Moon Lennies were fake.
If Toyota said that they made a car 50 years ago that could go 50,000 miles on a gallon of gasoline, and yet today their best car could only go 50 miles per gallon or one thousandth the distance, wouldn't the fraud of the previous claim be obvious?
And yet this is exactly the moon landing fraud, and yet people don't see it because of their emotional attachment to it.
They're claiming they went a thousand times farther 50 years ago than they can go today with 50 year older technology.
That doesn't make any sense.
It's the only time in history that a technological achievement, like the automobile or the airplane or nuclear power, that no nation on earth could repeat it 50 years later, when in fact it should be 100 times greater 50 years later.
If they could go to the moon with 1960s technology, men would be in another solar system by now.
Men would have walked on Mars 10 years later, 40 years ago, which never happened.
And there would be bases on the moon there today, of which there are none.
It's the only time in the history of the world that technology that cost $175 billion was deliberately destroyed afterwards.
Would Bill Gates spend $175 billion to make the first computer, and then when he was done, throw it and the schematics in the trash?
But that's what NASA claims that they did.
They only did that to destroy the evidence of the fraud, which is proof itself that they didn't go, because if they really went, they would never destroy the technology.
The B-52 bomber was made 70 years ago and is still in service today in the United States Air Force because it worked so well.
Now they want to return to the moon and they're having to recreate all that equipment from scratch because they deliberately destroyed it in order to hide the evidence of the fraud.
I say it's harder to believe that the moon landings are real than to believe that they were fake.
And this one picture proves that it was taken inside of a television studio on Earth.
Alright, really fascinating there, Bart.
Thank you for that three-minute intro.
But one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that you gave to me, that I learned from our previous interviews, was about the rovers on the moon.
Not only is it a total clown show joke that they could even function with all that moon dust and everything, but...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that they kept sort of replacing, like the parts kept changing on them in other missions.
Am I remembering that correctly?
What's the story?
Well, there's a lot of hearsay about what's going on and confusion.
I think that's kind of deliberate from NASA. The main thing about the moon rover that I bring up is, okay, so your only life support is your backpack with a limited supply of oxygen and then the lunar module.
Would you really drive miles away, and then if the car broke down, I'd have to walk back and run out before you got there?
Probably not.
I don't think they would do such a thing.
You know, in today's dollars, those things cost $100 million, and they had about one-tenth of parts of a Jeep.
So I'm not sure why they cost $100 million each.
We'll have to ask NASA about that one.
The whole thing was a cash cow.
It's basically a front.
I used to go to this fried chicken place in Nashville that never had anybody in there, but there was a woman sitting there taking call after call on a 20-line telephone.
You know, I think it was a numbers racket.
And so this is a front.
Just like the CIA has front businesses for their operations, this is just a front.
It's a cash cow.
The different thing about the moon landing fraud, for example, whoever shot JFK, he's still dead.
It's just a matter of who did it and why.
Or 9-11.
Those people are still dead.
It's just a matter of who did it and why.
This is different.
This is a positive lie.
You see?
It's really the only positive conspiracy, you could say.
And people wanted to believe it.
It has become a god to people.
And people are offended.
I talked to a professor of an aerospace university.
I showed him all this proof.
He said, Bart, there's nothing you could ever say that would make me recant the glorious moon landing.
And I said, well, what about this?
What if you saw an astronaut go on national television and tearfully confess that the moon missions were faked and please forgive him?
And the professor said that he would still think he walked on the moon anyway.
Wow.
Well, let's talk about the reasons.
He's teaching university.
Yeah, absolutely.
But you're right.
This mythos of the Apollo moon landings has become interwoven into the fabric of America's consciousness.
But there are very specific strategic reasons for this that have a lot to do with the former Soviet Union, for example.
For example, the projection of American dominance in space, trying to intimidate Russia.
And I can't help but point out the parallels with today's propaganda with the Ukraine war.
Here we have America's propaganda machine constantly claiming Russia is losing, constantly claiming Russia's troops are demoralized, and we're just on the verge of kicking Russia's butt if we just had 60 more billion dollars in this case.
And none of it's true.
None of it's true.
Russia's outproducing.
Russia has more industrial output.
Russia has better hypersonic missiles.
I mean, the U.S. doesn't even have functioning hypersonic missiles at all.
That's an embarrassment.
If you went to the moon, and then how many decades later, you still can't make a hypersonic missile that works in combat?
Come on.
Russia's got hypersonic missiles.
Russia is just so far ahead of the U.S. in terms of its technology.
And it's electromagnetic warfare capabilities, but the U.S. always relies on propaganda and just disinformation.
So looking back in history, you have to question the moon landings and say, was that part of a disinformation campaign?
It seems like you're saying that you believe that's part of it.
Yeah, definitely.
There are multiple reasons, or you could say multiple benefits, for faking the moon landing.
One thing to consider is really they just didn't have to do it.
Kennedy set a goal that couldn't be achieved.
And you do realize NASA has never kept a schedule, not a single time in their entire history, except NASA. The most complicated mission of all time that had never been tried before, that one, they were ahead of schedule.
So they could have just said, well, we can't do it.
You know, we're going to need more time or maybe we need cooperation with Russia in order to combine our talents.
But they did it anyway.
And you may remember when Clinton, president, was finally admitted that he had an affair.
And they said, well, why did you do it?
He said, because I could.
Meaning, because I could get away with it.
And this is the sheer arrogance of this.
And so for people who are really interested in bringing down the corrupt federal government, the moon landing fraud is the key.
It's the linchpin.
Because I get emails all the time or reviews of my book that say, if the truth comes out about the moon landing fraud...
The American public will never trust them again.
And so when I first found it, of course, this footage I'm about to describe, you can see it for free on the homepage of Sabrell.com, I uncovered classified footage of them faking being halfway to the moon right in front of your eyes.
Oh, I saw that.
That was mind-blowing.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
It blew my mind.
I grew up as the biggest fan of the space program.
And when I heard it might be fake, I had an open mind, but I thought they probably went.
And then the more I looked into it, the stranger it became.
And even though there was all this evidence, I still said, well, I need something a little more concrete.
And I have a guy who's a multimillionaire who builds rockets for NASA. Who knows it was fake, gave me a million dollars to produce my film, which is for free on the homepage of Sabrell.com, that has this footage in it.
So this film took seven years to make, 4,000 hours of editing, just to edit a 45-minute film.
And I'm almost done.
I pop in a tape.
It says, don't show to the public.
I'm like, oh, this should be good.
I hit fast forward because as an editor, I can see things faster.
And I see the same shot over and over and over again for like 10, 20, 30 minutes.
I'm like, oh, this is unedited footage, which they never gave me any.
And it's the crew faking being halfway to the moon with a one-foot model of the Earth dated two days into the flight.
And Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, and Michael Collins are on camera doing it.
And there's a third track of audio of the CIA prompting them to fake a four-second radio delay to not give away.
They're still in Earth orbit.
That's the video where, at the end, the lights come on inside the capsule that shows that it was just a set.
Exactly.
I have the unedited version.
The segment that they use, they use this exact segment in all of their reels that claim this is halfway to the moon.
It's so fake.
And even the earth through the window is not even real either.
It's so fake.
Exactly.
And even my greatest critic says that is them faking being halfway to the moon.
They have to admit it.
So here's the point, Mike.
I show this, you know, freaking out to the news director at NBC. The guy turns pale white, falls back in his chair, puts his hand over his mouth and says, oh my gosh, they really didn't go to the moon.
This proves it beyond any doubt.
Then I say...
What are we going to do about it?
And he thinks and thinks and he thinks.
And then he says, I will not air this.
It will cause a civil war.
I will not be responsible for being the man who caused the second American Civil War.
Do you see this?
But I didn't agree with that assessment at the time.
I've started to change my mind only a few weeks ago because...
I got that review of my book and they said this.
If it comes out, the American public will never trust them again.
It will outrage them.
It was an unnecessary lie.
And as you know, in my book, they murdered people to cover it up.
And it's not my opinion.
That's the opinion of Betty Grissom and Scott Grissom, the wife and son of an Apollo astronaut who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon.
He was a whistleblower to the point he held an impromptu press conference without permission because he did report after report after report, submitted it to the Pentagon.
We are a decade away from going, not a couple of years.
They did nothing about it.
He's infuriated.
Without permission, he takes all these reporters.
He moves to the top of the rocket and takes a lemon the size of a grapefruit and puts it on the rocket door, says this thing is a piece of junk.
It infuriated the Pentagon.
His wife told me.
I interviewed her for four hours.
Okay, Mike?
She asked me not to put this information in my film until she died.
That's why it's in the book, among many other new revelations, which we'll get into.
She said that on January 26, 1967, her husband came home from work and said this.
Hon, for some strange reason, the CIA is all over the launch pad today.
I wonder why they're there.
I've never seen the CIA here a single day in all these years.
Why are they here today?
The very next day, after the Lemon incident, he's killed by faulty equipment.
It's her opinion that he was killed by the CIA. So it's one thing, Mike, if they faked the moon landing and never killed anybody.
Maybe it's the devious part of me.
I kind of respect their ingenuity, right?
But not We have it in writing.
Legally, we can get rid of the federal government without a war.
We just decree it.
And because what's the first one?
Life.
They're murdering their own people.
They murdered their astronaut because he wouldn't cooperate with the moon landing fraud.
That's not my opinion.
That's the opinion of his widow.
She told me so.
Let's talk about the astronauts, though.
So for the astronauts that weren't killed, then your assertion is that then the astronauts that were part of the faked moon landings, then they had to just play the role of the astronaut hero for the remainder of their lives.
pretending like they walked on the moon and furthering the lie.
And, of course, that's easy because you're considered a national hero.
Everybody praises your, quote, achievements.
But I think NASA stands for not a single achievement.
Actually, by the way, that's what the acronym means.
Or never a straight answer.
Yeah, never a straight answer.
But what's your take on these astronauts?
I know you confronted one astronaut at one point who was very unhappy about your questions.
Well, actually, I confronted eight of them because we had a million dollars a rocket builder, you know, for NASA backing us because he thought it was his patriotic duty.
He just wants to remain anonymous so his stock didn't go down.
But in any case, he gave us his money to investigate this.
So my follow up film is called Astronauts Gone Wild, which was really titled after the filming of it.
I just thought, I guess, from childhood, Courtroom drama, as I saw on TV. Why not track these guys down and have them swear on the Bible?
Some wouldn't give interviews to some that did.
Charge $2,000 an hour in cash, which we paid them.
And then I showed them this footage we uncovered of them faking being halfway to the moon.
And one, of course, infamously punches me.
Another one threatens to shoot me.
Another one threatens to punch me.
And in one incident...
An astronaut literally kicks me from behind after I show him the footage and he turns beats red.
Get out of my house.
Well, in all that commotion, Mike, I leave a high-quality wireless microphone on him.
And in all the commotion, my camera operator is so freaked out I'm being assaulted, he forgets to hit stop record on the camera.
So while the beta cam is in the back of the rental car in the guy's driveway, We're recording the audio of his private conversation in his house with his son.
Wow.
And I drive away, and it works for like half a mile.
You know what I mean?
And I'm driving away, recording the conversation the entire time, and I'm like, oh, I forgot my $700 microphone.
Let me go back and get it.
I go back and get it.
And then the film secretary did transcripts of all these interviews.
There's, you know, eight confrontations with Apollo astronauts and astronauts gone wild.
And three months later, she calls me up frantic.
Bart, Bart, do you know what they're talking about, you know, privately before you went back and got your mic?
I'm like, I don't know what.
She says they're talking about calling the CIA to have you killed.
And I'm like, that's pretty funny.
She says, no, Bart, they're talking about calling the CIA to have you killed.
And I'm like, that's pretty funny.
She says, Bart, you're not hearing me.
They're talking about calling the CIA to have you killed, and they are.
Do you want to call the CIA and have them whacked?
First of all, why does an Apollo astronaut civilian mission have the CIA in his Rolodex?
Yeah, exactly.
Why would you kill a journalist who's asking questions?
Exactly.
If I'm some silly person who thinks it was done in a TV studio or Air Force Base, and they really went, why would they care?
Why would the CIA be involved?
You understand?
Right, right.
So the fact that the CIA is involved in killing me means I'm right, you know?
And that's just the way that it is.
Okay, another question, Bart, kind of shifting gears, but that's fascinating.
Astronauts gone wild.
Back in the late 60s and early 70s when these Apollo missions were happening, people did not have computers, personal computers.
People did not have advanced AI analysis systems.
People actually had really crappy TVs.
You couldn't really see that clearly what was going on.
So it was kind of technically easy to fake because the average person is like, oh, well, my TV's got horrible reception and it was kind of static.
It kind of looks like the moon.
It's all good.
But today, with all the scrutiny and all the computational power that's in the hands of citizens and AI, as you already mentioned, it's pretty easy to look back at the films from the Apollo missions, the official NASA films and recordings, And it looks like a Saturday Night Live skit.
Well, the interesting thing about that, Mike, is they destroyed the originals.
Here's what happened.
So Ron Howard's grandfather warned him the moon missions were fake, but he grew up in the time of the Apollo, had a Saturn V rocket toy, just like I did.
His grandfather said they didn't go.
He didn't listen.
So in his zeal, he's like executive producer for this IMAX Apollo movie came out, you know, 20 years ago.
And, of course, this is like 100 feet by 120 feet.
And he wants the originals.
He wants to transfer them to HD. He goes to NASA, says we want the originals.
I say, give us a few days.
But they get back with them three days later, and they said everything is missing.
All the originals are gone.
Some we just can't find, and others we accidentally recorded over.
I guess an I Love Lucy episode, over the greatest episode of all time.
They deliberately destroyed the equipment.
One of the clips at sabrell.com of my interactive book, which I read on audio, Kindle, or print, Is NASA's own engineer saying they intentionally destroyed all the technology that they used to go to the moon, all the blueprints, all the schematics, all the telemetry as to the rocket, where it was, all the original videotapes.
Now, if you really went to the moon, And spend an equivalent of $200 billion on this technology.
The last thing in the world you would do is destroy it.
But that's exactly what they did.
Now, if you perpetrated a fraud, you would destroy everything.
So the fact that they destroyed everything is proof of the fraud.
Just like Oswald's being killed before trial is proof of conspiracy right there.
You see what I'm saying?
Right.
And so there are no originals.
That's the amazing thing.
And they destroyed them.
In fact, if you can find a print from, you know, 6970 of Apollo 11, the soil is caramel brown.
And the soil color in the Chinese probes is caramel brown because that's the soil color of the moon.
It just looks gray from the bright light looking at it from Earth.
So in the original pictures, the soil is brown, but the background is a grayish blue.
Gives away the fake background pretty easily.
So they've color-corrected all of them to now the ground is gray, gray as blue, and the background is gray as blue.
But there's so much evidence that they didn't go to the moon, like in the three-minute video, shadows intersecting.
That would prove it in a court of law.
The classified footage of them faking being halfway to the moon.
The NBC News director says it proves they didn't go to the moon.
My greatest critic says it's them faking being part of the mission.
Why would any of it be fake if they really went?
Then we have the fact that you can't have a thousand times greater space traveling technology in the past and in the future.
That's never happened in the history of the world.
Just ten years after the first atomic bomb, they were one thousand times more powerful.
Think how far we should be in the universe by now if we really went to the moon with 1960s technology.
And then lastly, Revealed in my book for the very first time, we have an eyewitness who eyewitnessed and filmed the fake moon landing at Cannon Air Force Base as he stood beside President Johnson June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of 1968.
In fact, as the guy is dying, fearing the judgment of God, the first thing he tells...
That's right.
And a deathbed confession is like double the power in court.
I mean, if I saw somebody shoot somebody in a 7-Eleven, that's a pretty damaging testimony.
But if I say something as I'm dying, courts consider that doubly powerful.
So the first thing out of the guy's mouth while he's dying is he wanted to confess that he killed somebody.
And then his son says, well, who did you kill?
And he said, I killed a co-worker at Cannon Air Force Base.
His son says he was Chief of Security at the Air Force's Intelligence Base.
All branches of the military have their CIA-type division.
And the CIA-type division of the United States Air Force is at Cannon Air Force Base in Clovis, New Mexico.
And his son is so alarmed, he figures the family of this person he killed deserves to have closure.
So they bring in the military police, and he's there, while the military police are interviewing his father about who he killed.
And then they ask him why.
Why did you kill a co-worker at Cannon Air Force Base?
He says, well, it was my job.
We eyewitnessed Apollo 11 being filmed at Cannon Air Force Base June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, 1968, one year in advance, and we were told if we tell anybody, they'll kill us and our family.
My co-worker came to me privately.
He said this is morally wrong, and he was going to go to a reporter and tell somebody, and that he killed him to cover up the moon landing fraud.
Not something you make up as you're dying, don't you think, Mike?
No, exactly.
That's very powerful.
And again, that video, I believe, is on your website, the Death Bay Confession.
Yeah, I'm looking at it.
Let me ask you a different question, though.
This is all very powerful.
But what about nations like Russia, China, Iran?
Surely they are fully aware that America faked the Apollo landings.
Oh, absolutely.
But why don't they say it publicly?
That's my question.
Why don't they challenge the history of American space program?
It's actually a pretty simple answer.
First, let me go ahead and be the opposition for one second.
The two reasons they say the moon missions must be real.
The first one is it involves hundreds of thousands of people.
Well, keep in mind The atomic bomb was the greatest secret during World War II. It involved 129,500 people, and only eight knew what they were building.
It's called departmentalization.
Do you really think, like the bank teller at Wells Fargo and the CEO of Wells Fargo know equally about the corruption going on in the banking system?
You have the flight director, Eugene Kranz, who I talked to.
He said...
That a controller in command center can tell no difference whatsoever between a simulation and a real flight.
It's just a bunch of numbers going by on a screen.
Well, right.
And plus, they built a lot of equipment, and they did launch rockets.
Oh, absolutely.
They looked it off, and people saw that.
Earth orbit.
Right, right.
And then the second reason why it must be real, right, according to critics, is the Russians and the Chinese with a squeal.
Well, that's simply not the case.
For example, if I had a picture of a world leader with a prostitute, I could upload it to the internet and bring them down.
Or...
I could blackmail them year after year after year after year.
I have a friend, Mike, who works in the command center of the Chinese Space Agency.
He told me that everybody there knows that the moon missions are fake and that China is blackmailing NASA for space technology to not give it away.
If you go to Sorrell.com, there's a video of Putin, who was at the AI conference, being showed the results.
I look at his face.
First of all, he's not surprised at all.
And secondly, he looks scared, like there's some deal.
If that comes out, his skeletons will come out, too.
They're blackmailing us.
And then the other people, like Japan, India, or whoever...
You think they dare not cooperate with the United States?
Just ask Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, or Noriega what happens when you don't cooperate with the United States of America.
Yes, but Bart, America's global dominance is rapidly collapsing.
You know, BRICS nations are launching their own currency.
De-dollarization is taking place.
The US military is failing in Ukraine.
It's failing in the Red Sea.
As the US crumbles, which I would submit is happening, and the dollar crumbles, isn't there a point where the weakness of the US is so great that One of these other countries eventually wants to pounce and expose the falsehoods that underpin the narrative of America.
Yeah, that may happen.
We have to keep in mind that probably this whole America versus Russia and China thing is probably just for show.
Just like a fake wrestling match.
They look like their enemies, but they're really friends, all on the same team.
The New World Order means all the nations will be unified into one government.
That means they need the cooperation of China and Russia to do that.
They're probably already on board.
China and the CIA are madly in love with one another.
So they may look like an enemy to boost the defense contracts, but they're really not.
Now it could be that they might intentionally release the truth that the moon landings are fake to crash the dollar or to crash the stock market or to discredit America.
You know, New World Order, while it does mean Illuminati, Bilderberg Group, and World Economic Forum and all that, it simply technically means a new number one, which means the number one economic military power has to come down from number one in order for there to be a new world order, right?
It's a new order of who's number one.
What better way to do it?
That exposed the moon landing fraud.
So they could use that to their advantage.
They could even create a disclosure party telling the truth about JFK 9-11 moon landing.
I don't know.
But the fact is they did fake the moon landing.
It's not a theory.
It's an absolute fact.
I read something the other day from a famous female writer named, I think, Ellen White.
She was referring to the Tower of Babel.
However, it applies to the moon landing.
Here's what she said.
The monument of their pride became a memorial of their folly.
And this is really folly, because this is the sheer arrogance of the federal government to deceive their people when they really had no need or reason to do it.
And it's only gotten worse since then.
First they killed their own president, then they faked the Vietnam War, then they faked the moon landing, and then we know about 9-11, this little thing we've been going through for three years, and who knows what's up their sleeve next.
They have to be brought down, or they're going to kill us all.
I mean, does anybody care that they're destructive?
I'm sorry?
You're absolutely correct on that point.
In fact, I've interviewed, of course, many other experts on this show who submit that the COVID pandemic was also faked, that there is not a SARS-CoV-2 that spreads from one person to another and infects them, rather that they say there was...
A biological weapon that was dropped onto cities like New York City in order to create the fatalities and the panic that would push people into getting injected.
And it's the vaccines that are actually killing people.
Now, I know that's not your area of focus or expertise, but I'm just pointing out That since the truth has never really been exposed about the moon landings, we are getting more and more theater.
You know, we're living in a giant Truman Show at this point.
It's all theater, even as you mentioned, maybe globally it's theater, to keep us enslaved and ignorant and under control.
Well, you know, I wish it were the Truman Show because they had his best interest in heart.
They don't have that with us.
And in regard to the little thing we've been going through for the last three years...
I'm a journalist and filmmaker and writer, and so my opinion is simply after I interview all the experts.
If you have a former vice president of Pfizer saying there is not a pandemic, right?
And if you have the inventor of the mRNA technology say, I'm not getting the shot.
This is unnecessary.
It's gene therapy.
You don't get chemotherapy as a prevention tool to prevent cancer.
It's too dangerous.
You see?
And so if the Pfizer guy says they're lying, if the inventor of the shot says don't take it, I assume, and if Robert Kennedy Jr.
says his uncle was killed by the CIA, then I guess he's right.
What else is there?
Yeah, and now the CDC has added just in the last week that everybody should treat COVID just like the flu at this point.
That's now their official recommendation.
But you were banned if you said that in 2020.
Yeah, I was thinking about this this morning before our interview.
You know, it's like You know, censorship really is evil and wicked.
It is.
It's not just not good or unfair.
It's wicked.
Because we're supposed to have freedom of speech and freedom of expression.
What made our founding fathers and mothers country great is the open sharing of ideas.
Now, I'm all for including anybody and everybody.
And it needs to be a two-way street.
I personally, I don't get into politics.
You know, Republican, Democrat, I take a nap instead of voting because it's a better use of my time.
But everybody needs to accept everybody else's point of view.
And it's really, you know, mentally expanding to listen to other points of view, even if you initially disagree with them.
There's got to be some point where you can find common ground.
This idea...
That sharing a contrary opinion has to be taken down is really weird because I don't know how old you are, Mike, but I'm not that old.
But back in my day, there were mandatory public service announcements.
And one of them was if your doctor says, you know, cut off your left arm, get a second opinion, get a second opinion, get a second opinion.
So I have a doctor.
And they said, you know, don't get the shot.
I uploaded it to YouTube, not even publicly, privately, to share with somebody.
And they took it down.
It's like, it goes against medical authorities.
And I'm like, well, who are the medical authorities?
My doctor's a medical authority.
He said, don't get the shot.
You know what I mean?
So isn't he a medical authority, too?
It's like, well, why not debate?
Why not discuss whether or not to have the shot or not?
That would be the right thing.
The answer to your question, I would submit, though, is because there is a global effort of mass extermination of the human population.
That's why this was so enforced.
We've been lied to.
You're an expert on one of the big chapters of the lies told to humanity.
We've been lied to this entire time.
Our labor and our ideas have been exploited to the point where they no longer need us because of the rise of AI and humanoid robots.
We're expendable.
Now it's kill off all the humans.
I mean, it's not complicated, actually.
It's very simple.
It's comic book logic, but the globalists are doing it.
They don't need us.
Yeah, well, I guess the problem is...
People aren't aware of evil.
They have no concept of good versus evil.
They just assume all these politicians have your best interest in mind.
I edited down that Pfizer interview of Michael Yerden, I think, for your channel, just to really condense it, the Reader's Digest version, and The thing that got me is, you know, he went through the steps.
He went through the steps like, okay, so they're manufacturing the pandemic in order to...
The next step is, why are they doing that to trick you into getting this injection?
Or why are they doing that?
And he says, well, they've done no safety studies.
And the previous, you know, ruling was gene therapy is so dangerous.
Only give it to a terminal legal person because what have they got to lose?
And then he goes on.
And when he says it, Mike...
You can see him just not believing what he's saying, or just astonished.
I guess they want to get rid of millions of people.
He can't believe it as he says it.
Well, you know, the Bible says, out of the overflowing of the heart, the mouth can't help but speak.
And, you know, Bill Gates, there's a famous clip on YouTube where he says, you know, we need to lower the population by 94%, right?
That's if you have a room of 34 people, he wants to get rid of 32 of them.
Fortunately, Mike, you and me, we were chosen as the two.
That was close.
And so he says out of his own mouth, one of the ways is through vaccines.
And I'm thinking, okay, so the guy says he wants to lower the population multiple times, you know, by 94%.
And then wouldn't vaccines save the lives of millions of people who would then have millions and billions of children?
That's kind of contrary to his goal in life, isn't it?
Clearly.
And so...
Yeah, I mean, I'm a filmmaker, and I have plans to do a film, and I have a budget and a script.
And so if the guy's goal is to lower the population by, you know, millions or billions of people, I don't think he's twiddling his thumbs hoping it's going to happen someday.
I think he has a plan, don't you?
Yeah, clearly he has a plandemic.
He's one of the key architects of the whole thing, including pushing vaccines.
All right, well, Bart, we're out of time for today.
This has been truly fascinating.
Yet again, I can't believe how quickly the hour has gone.
I want to give out your website again, sabrell.com, S-I-B-R-E-L. I want to encourage everybody, go there.
Even if you find this to be hard to believe, even if it challenges your entire worldview, You should go watch just these four simple videos on sabrell.com with an open mind and see if there's something here that might challenge your thinking.
Because I assure you, you will find something that will challenge your thinking.
Bart, any final thoughts?
I don't think anybody was...
Yeah, I don't think anybody was as gaga over the moon landings as I was.
I had a shrine of pictures on my wall, and everywhere I moved, I moved them with me.
It was my God.
I just had an open mind.
And the book goes into so much detail as to why...
I finally had to accept the fact that they really did fake it.
You know, the faking of the moon landing, Mike, is so much more profound historically than if they had actually gone.
Do you see that?
Either they went, they planted a flag and came back, but if they faked it and embezzled billions of dollars, lied to the encyclopedia, printed it on stamps and coins, gave them medals of honor for being such good liars, and killed their own astronauts to cover it up, if that's true, which it is, Then that's so much more profound of an event in history than if they'd actually gone.
Do you see that?
Absolutely.
So we have this great event in history that the world knows nothing about.
We cannot grow, we cannot progress as a nation or people on this earth until we know that the greatest accomplishment was contrived.
And that the United States government is a total fraud, which I think at this point most countries in the world would agree with that assessment.
They're hazardous to your health, that's for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
And the U.S. government is at war with us using all sorts of psychological operations.
I recently interviewed Dr.
Michael Nels, an expert in the indoctrinated brain, and really what he's talking about is consistent with What you and I are talking about in the fact that there are always these psychological assaults on the human brain to try to stop people from thinking for themselves, to stop people from questioning anything.
So I'm so glad, Bart, that you're willing to question.
Thank you for what you're doing.
We appreciate you and your work.
Whether or not people agree with you, at least you are not just swallowing the propaganda whole.
You are questioning it.
So God bless you for doing that, Bart.
Thank you, Mike.
All right.
Take care, Bart.
We appreciate you.
You too.
All right.
Well, folks, hope you enjoyed this thought-provoking interview.
And again, you would not probably find this interview on YouTube or other censored platforms like Facebook and so on.
But here on BrightTown.com, we are willing to talk to people who have a wide variety of ideas and understandings and research.
And that's Bart Sabrell is a perfect example of that.
So thank you for watching today, and feel free to repost this interview on other platforms and channels.
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