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Jan. 29, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern on why America's leadership is DELUSIONAL...
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All right, welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, and our guest today is former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, who also used to give the daily briefing to President Ronald Reagan.
Mr.
McGovern is, I would say, an expert on what's happening with Russia, Ukraine, and also has a lot of analysis intelligence about the Middle East.
He joins us today to try to help navigate what's going on in our world.
Welcome, Mr.
McGovern.
It's an honor to have you on today, sir.
Thanks, Mike.
Glad to be with you.
Well, I'm a fan of your work.
I've seen many of your interviews.
I really appreciate your analysis.
And, of course, your analysis often runs counter to the Western corporate media propaganda that is just constantly lying about everything, it seems.
But how would you summarize the current situation?
Let's start with Ukraine and Russia.
What's your overall summary of where we are right now?
Well, funny you should ask, Mike.
We and the group that I helped co-found, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, have just issued a memorandum to President Biden.
On the first anniversary of our last memo to him in which we suggested that he get rid of his diplomatic, his foreign policy and his military advisors because they were misleading him on Ukraine.
You may recall at this time last year The head of national intelligence said, you know, things are really looking good.
I'm very optimistic about the spring.
It was then a spring offensive, right?
They were going to be in Crimea by summer.
Yeah, and one of the reasons, of course, Mike, It's that the Russians are running out of ammunition.
I remember that.
And they have no indigenous capability to produce these shells.
We're sitting pretty.
Now, that's what Averill Haynes, the Director of National Intelligence, said a month before our previous memo.
And we said, look, Mr.
President, you're being misled.
Now, we wrapped up what's gone on for the past year since that memo.
And we pointed out, hey, Mr.
President, when you said the Russians have already lost in Ukraine, well, that wasn't so, okay?
When you took the cue from the head of CIA that the Russian forces have been embarrassed and have been shown as inept by all the world to see, that was also not true.
And when you listen to That's also not true.
Mr.
President, sorry to break this to you.
Nobody else is breaking it to you.
But Ukraine and its patrons have already lost the ground war in Ukraine.
And it really just depends on what Mr.
Putin and the rest of the Russians decide to do, whether they will keep this attrition, attrition, attrition, attrition, gradualist approach, or whether when they break through Ukrainian lines, which we think will be the next couple of weeks, they'll go all the way to the Dnieper River, divide Ukraine in half.
So that's what they have to contain with now in the administration.
But you know, if they're blind to the reality, If Biden is still being told that Russia has lost, well, I don't know who tells him that, but it's 180 degrees away from what's really happening.
Well, do you find – I want to contrast.
The era of Reagan versus where we are now, because it seems to me that Ronald Reagan, whether our viewers loved him or didn't love him, he did deal with reality, I would say, and his State Department lived in reality.
And it seems to me, although you're free to disagree, of course, but it seems to me that today we have, you know, not only do we have a sort of gender-fluid society, but we have a fact-fluid State Department, you know?
Yeah.
Fact fluid.
That's good, Mike.
I hadn't thought of that.
Fact fluid.
You mean lions with their teeth?
Yeah.
It's awful.
You make a good analogy here.
As you said before, I briefed the president's daily brief every other morning, six days a week.
My partner and I did that for the first four years of Reagan's first term.
So I know what he came in with, and what he left his first term with was completely different because he listened, okay?
Now, he ended up listening to the right people.
Not only me.
George Shultz, the Secretary of State, saw that this new fellow named Gaurabachov It was the real deal.
I mean, he was criticizing the Soviet Communist Party.
He was doing all kinds of measures to increase a period of detente, a period of less tension with the United States.
And Weinberger, Secretary of Defense, And my nominal boss, Casey, at the CIA was telling Reagan, oh no, no, no, no, don't trust this guy.
He's just a more clever commie.
A commie is a commie.
A Communist Party of the Soviet Union will never, ever, ever give up power without a real struggle.
Well, they were dead wrong.
And gradually, we persuaded Schultz mostly and the vice president.
Vice President Bush did a good job.
Say, look, you know, this guy's the real deal.
There's lots of, go see him, talk to him and see what he's willing to do.
And what he was willing to do, one of the crowning achievements, was he proposed this treaty, which would not only prohibit or limit, but which would Destroy, right?
Like, destroy a whole class of intermediate and medium-range ballistic missiles already in place in Western Europe and in the European part of Russia.
European part of Russia, those were SS-20s, okay?
And Pershing 2s in Europe.
Now, Gorbachev said, look, we don't need those.
We have these ICBMs, these intercontinental ballistic missiles.
They can do their job.
We don't need to have just like 10 minutes warning with these missiles that could hit Moscow or whoever in 10 minutes.
So let's get rid of them.
Now, Mike, when I heard that Gorbachev made that proposal, I said, right.
Okay, right.
Let's see how that worked.
But Reagan had learned to listen, and so did Schultz.
Long story short, they destroyed him under international supervision, and that was the first and only time where a whole class of missiles were destroyed.
So what's my point?
My point is there was a time when people learned When people, when even Reagan decided, well, maybe evil empire is rhetoric, but maybe this is a group that we can deal with.
And they did deal with them.
Now, of course, in the last year of Trump's administration, that deal was canceled.
We got out of the deal.
And now we have the same kind of intermediate and medium-range ballistic missiles in Russia and going into Romania, Poland, and, God forbid, Ukraine itself.
So we're back to the Mid-80s, actually, before we started to destroy those.
That treaty was called the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty, and it was really not only Reagan's, but Gertrudev's crowning achievement in the strategic bombs realm.
See, that's fascinating because at that time there was a real willingness to back away from escalation, whereas right now, at least what I see from the West, is intentional provocation, a deliberate escalation, really trying to, as I see it, but of course, I'd love your analysis, trying to provoke Putin into an overreaction.
And I would say...
Putin has exercised quite a lot of discipline so far and restraint.
Would you agree with that assessment or am I off base on that?
I would agree, Mike, and it's a damn good thing that he has exercised restraint.
Now, we have no George Shultz as Secretary of State anymore.
We have this well-heeled, effete and elite A fellow named Blinken from the best schools, mind you, but doesn't know his rear end from his elbow when it comes to dealing with other countries.
He's supported by a fellow named Jacob Sullivan, comes out of the same fine schools.
And there's another jerk named Brett McGurk.
He runs our policy vis-a-vis the Middle East or Southwest Asia.
So these guys think they know it all.
They're captive to this notion that the U.S. is not only exceptional, it's indispensable.
And Biden himself comes from that reign of thought.
Biden, you know, with a 60 Minutes interview about three weeks ago now, he ended it...
The interviewer says, do you think it's wise to get involved in like two or three front wars like Ukraine and Southwest Asia and East Asia?
And here's Biden.
Come on.
We're the United States of America.
The most powerful country in the history of the world.
In the history of the world!
No.
We used to be, Mike.
Right.
When I was young, after World War II, we were.
After the Soviet Union crumbled, we still were.
We're not anymore.
And the fact that our president has this delusion that we can work our will wherever we want, and he's supported by these sycophants who say, oh, you're right, you're right, Mr.
President, we can do all this stuff.
That's a very dangerous situation.
And your point about Putin being very circumspect and proceeding gingerly.
I mean, he could go to the Dnieper River now if he wanted to.
Sure.
Instead, he's a tritting, a tritting, a tritting, and he's giving the West a chance to say, hey, all right, okay, this was a bad idea for us.
We didn't really mean that 500,000 Ukrainian kids would be killed.
We should have stopped it.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but if Putin is waiting for the West to come to its senses, he's going to wait a long, long time.
Because this over-zealous, this over-competence, or I'm sorry, over-confidence combined with incompetence, I think, characterizes the West.
And I think one of the great examples of this is the thinking that all of these harsh economic sanctions against Russia would shut down Russia's economy and prohibit Russia from being able to manufacture munitions.
But what happened instead, as you know, is that Russia, all its investment remained local.
Russia began locally sourcing all the components, including electronic components and obviously steel and raw materials.
And Russia has now become the largest munitions manufacturer in all of Europe, dwarfing the United States output and Britain's output and Germany's output combined.
So the sanctions backfired.
Well, that's right, Mike.
And you know, when you look at his economic advisors, they're no better than his foreign policy or military advisors.
You don't really know which end is up.
I mean, Here's Janet Yellen, head of Treasury, saying, oh, these sanctions are going to be the cat's pajamas.
They're really going to work well.
And hey, let's put a cap on Russian oil.
Right.
$60, yeah.
Yeah, and she's asked, can we finance two front wars or three front wars?
Ah, no problem.
It's the same attitude, right?
We're the United States of America!
Anyhow, that's very mischievous.
And what we've been pointing out to, what we tried to point out today, as a matter of fact, it's on consortiumnews.com, our memo, our VIPS memo to the president.
We say, look, you've been demonstrably misled.
And we cited what he was told last year, and we cited what happened this year, this past year, and then what's going to happen now.
And so, look, Mr.
President, you know, you can...
You can be wooden-headed, okay?
The term I got from that wonderful historian, what's her name now?
I'll think of it in a second.
March of Folly is the book that she wrote.
And she said, look, you know, wooden-headedness is the ability to dismiss all the evidence on the ground and believe that you're going to prevail.
As a matter of fact, she adduces an example.
She says, Philip II, Spain, Spain.
Great guns.
He wouldn't listen to anybody about what was really happening and he lost his empire.
He lost his empire.
We told Biden that this morning.
We always wonder whether his minions ever let our take on things through to him.
But this time we're hoping that it will get wide dissemination since the subject is on the front burner.
That is, should we pour more money?
Should we throw good money after bad in a dearth of intelligence information?
Or should we come to our senses and make a deal?
The deal will be bad, but that's our fault because we had a great deal ready in March of 2022.
That's right.
When the Ukrainians themselves and Russians had come to an agreement that would have ended, would have prevented a half million Ukrainian soldiers from ending up dead.
Absolutely.
And I want to ask you about Ukraine running out of men, but let's show that news item on screen there from Consortium News.
This is the memo that you're referring to, the VIPS memo to Biden.
Correct.
Avoid a Third World War.
And I would also like to bring up Ray McGovern's website as well, if you can do that.
Show that on screen.
It's raymcgovern.com if you want to follow Mr.
McGovern's content.
And also on X, His username is Ray McGovern.
So pretty straightforward.
I'd like to add that my website is easily searchable.
So my son who runs it has been running it now for 15 years.
You can find pretty much anything on there because he's made it easily searchable.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So you mean your site itself has a really great search function for all the content that you have there?
Correct.
You just kind of go down there from the face page and you'll see a big square.
I see.
Yeah, search.
There it is.
Okay.
Type in whatever you want there and chances are it'll come right up.
I use it myself all the time.
Oh, that's great.
Because I tend to repeat myself when conditions require it.
Okay.
All right.
Outstanding.
Well, we will take advantage of that, and probably in our own reporting as well.
Maybe we can find articles that we can cite on your site.
But let me ask you then about the current...
Biden administration position on Ukraine is that, which is obviously delusional, but it's that if we print enough money and send enough money to Ukraine and send enough money to weapons manufacturers to claim we're sending weapons that haven't been made yet, for the most part, by the way, then Ukraine will somehow find enough people to keep dying.
And that...
I mean, it's absurd because they've run out of men.
Zelensky says we're going to find 500,000 more.
They're training women.
They've dropped the disability exemption from their recruitment and conscription, as I understand it.
And 10 million plus people have left Ukraine.
I mean, how does anybody think that this plan can work?
You can't create soldiers by printing money.
There you go, Mike.
It's wooden-headedness.
I'm not sure that our president is fully compass-mentous.
I am sure that his acolytes have this benign, have this benignity view of America's place in the world and that we can pretty much do whatever we want.
And if we want to use Ukrainian youth to weaken Russia, well, we'll go ahead and do it.
Now, people say, oh, Putin, he's neuralgic.
You know, he's fearful.
He's, you know, really going off the rocker.
Well, you know, he's not.
When he looks at what our defense minister, our secretary of defense, Austin, he said two years ago now, we're going to, the main reason here, we're going to weaken Russia.
We're going to, his words, we're going to move heaven and earth To weaken Russia and defeat it in Ukraine.
Okay, so here I'm Vladimir Putin, right?
I'm saying, huh?
How are you going to do that, you know?
Even Obama, back in the day, 2016, said, look at the map for God's sake.
There's no way that Ukraine, with any amount of help, can defeat a much more strategic, much more powerful Russia.
Obama's words.
So, what do we end up with?
We end up with a situation that's really kind of scary and not funny at all.
Here's Blinken and not Nod, but Sullivan and Noland and Biden himself.
Oh, my God.
We've got to do something to prevent people from realizing we lost in Ukraine.
Because if we lose in Ukraine, we lose the election.
If we lose the election, we could lose our Freedom, for God's sake, because if that other guy comes in, he could put us in jail.
He's got enough evidence to do that.
This is a personal stake.
This is an existential threat for me, Biden, and his acolytes.
What am I going to do?
Am I going to say, oh, okay, we lost.
It was a bad idea.
No.
He's going to look where his ammunition is and say, got any more of those cluster munitions?
No, they're all out.
How about 155 regular?
No, they're all out.
What's up there?
Oh, those are the mini nukes, Mr.
President.
Well, let's use one of those.
Now, I have no confidence in his military advisors to say, that's not a good idea, Mr.
President.
You want to prevent World War III. That's not a really good idea.
Would he opt for that rather than ostensibly, well, really lose that war?
And would he think that maybe that would show the Russians we mean business?
I don't know.
But I've been at that.
I'm at this for many decades.
I've never been more fearful that these people, at a personal stake as well as benign or benighted views of the strategic reality, might resort to that kind of thing.
And I'm sure Putin's looking at this and seeing a not fully compass-mentist president with junior acolytes that don't know which end is up.
So, I'm saying right now is that the strategic situation is even more perilous than before.
And I'll just add one more thing.
Lavrov, the foreign minister, he warned two weeks ago, he said specifically, look, we know what war is.
We lost 26 million people in the last one, World War II. You've been prevented from damage during wars by two big oceans.
Guess what?
Two big oceans are not going to protect you anymore.
Whoa!
That's as specific a threat as I've seen coming from a very high senior Russian official.
In other words, it's over for our dominance of the seas as well as Europe.
And the sooner we realize that, well, the better for us all because the Russians are not going to give up in Ukraine.
They're not going to We're not going to permit us to attack Iran and the Middle East.
And right now, the Russians are powerful enough to be able to do those things despite the fact that our president still thinks that we're the most powerful country in the world.
I'm glad you brought up all of that, and some of that's quite frightening, but I'm glad you brought up Lavrov because I think he is a very serious man, and the West takes him as a non-serious person, which is a horrible mistake in my view.
And Putin is also, again, a very serious, intelligent, informed, deliberate thinker, planner.
Regardless of what people might think about his past or agree or disagree with him, he is a brilliant strategist, right?
I mean, any honest observer would have to point that out.
Versus Biden, as you said, who is cognitively impaired with certainty...
We continue to see these miscalculations by the West.
For example, the US, I believe the US destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, which cut off Germany from the energy needed for Germany to power its own industrial base.
So if we're talking about an escalation of war in Europe...
Why would the US cut off the energy supply of European countries that need to build tanks and weapons and steel?
You need energy to make steel.
Now Germany has a lot less energy.
Right?
It's like America is sabotaging its own allies.
That's right.
And, you know, if you look at the figures, Russia's economy has become larger than Germany's, which used to be The biggest in Europe.
Germany has really taken a bad hit with the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines.
And we did it.
Cy Hirsch has a blow-by-blow account.
The way we did it, who we hired, Navy SEALs and all that kind of stuff.
So we did it.
Now, why do we do it?
Well, number one, because we can.
Number two, because we don't want any Russian influence in Western Europe to grow, right?
And what's number three?
Number three is it's an economic boon for us because, whereas before they depended on Russian natural gas, now they have to buy LNG, liquefied natural gas, from us!
And yeah, they pay seven times as much, but hey, you know, people aren't profiteering on all this.
So, you know, it was so transparent and Blinken, dummy that he is, bragged about what a strategic Great benefit this was because the Europeans will have to depend more on us.
I mean, he said that.
He said that out loud.
And the Germans, the Germans said, oh, darn.
The Germans will never grow up.
I've been saying for decades.
For God's sake, you know, you can understand after the war, the Germans would have to act like children, right?
Then a couple decades later, like adolescents, they will never grow up and act like adults and defend their own interests because the government they have in there is right under the thumb of these neocons that are running our government.
And, you know, it's just a matter of time, in my view, before the German people will replace the current government.
And that's not...
Undeniably a great thing because we have the Alternative für Deutschland, which is a questionable party that is the biggest party now and might do stuff such as we've seen.
Germans do in the past.
Well, I mean, thank you for that analysis.
And I would just add that I think ultimately Germany is to survive as a nation.
It's going to have to leave NATO and recreate economic ties with Russia simply because of energy and industry and trade.
I mean, and if you're in Germany and you're looking at what the United States did to you via Nord Stream and other mechanisms, you're You have to be asking the question, you know, with friends like these, who needs enemies, you know?
Mike, that would be the natural thing to assume.
But the big deal, of course, is that the media in Germany is just as bad, maybe even worse.
I'm talking about mainstream media as it is here.
People don't know what's going on.
There are fairy tales spread around like, oh, the Ukrainians blew up that pipeline.
No, no, no, it wasn't the Ukrainians.
And all they have to do is sort of ask the Swedes, right?
Now, the Swedes went right down in those waters with the most sophisticated diary device.
They know who blew up that pipeline.
And when they came up, it's time for the water, right?
People ask them, well, who did it?
And they said, we can't tell you.
Yeah.
It's a national security secret.
Joe Biden and Victoria Nuland and Anthony Blinken are all on the record saying that they're going to destroy Nord Stream.
It's not ambiguous.
And they even bragged about it, like you said.
But let's pivot for a minute to the Middle East because this is related to energy for Europe.
You may have seen, I'm sure you have, Qatar.
That's how I pronounce that nation.
Some people say Qatar.
Qatar had announced temporarily ceasing all LNG exports to Europe because of what's happening in the Red Sea with Yemen striking vessels.
So now...
Europe has lost Nord Stream and LNG exports from Qatar, which is a very big deal.
A lot of the world's energy sails right through the Strait of Hormuz and through the sea there.
And again, this is a result of United States policies, particularly the U.S. supporting Israel's military actions in the region with supplying bombs, supplying the U.S. Navy, and so on.
And as a result, now Europe has even less energy.
It's like, again, the U.S. has struck Europe once again.
Well, Mike, when you talk about the Houthis, you know, The Houthis have risen to the occasion in terms of how the Arabs looked at things and shamed those Arab governments that have really bad rhetoric against what's going on but don't do much at all.
So it's kind of ironic that you have the Houthis in this position.
And the Houthis are...
They're a tough bunch.
I mean, Saudi Arabia tried to pacify them, tried to beat them with U.S. help for about seven or eight years, and they lost, okay?
So, all that has to happen is that the Houthis get what they want.
What do they want?
They want a ceasefire, and they want the provision of aid to the starving, to the sick, to the people in Gaza that have been kept in such extremis, okay?
Now, Hello?
Isn't that easy enough to do?
All Biden has to do or Blake can get on the phone and call Netanyahu and say, oh, that's it.
No more 200-pound bombs.
No more 2,000-pound bombs until you open those gates and let that food in.
Then the Houthis will stop.
Then the Houthis would stop, and they'd clap themselves on the back and say, well, look, we faced into this Goliath, and then the Qatar people could get their natural gas in.
There's one other aspect to this, and that is off the shore of Gaza, there are very, very lucrative gas and oil fields.
Now, Cyprus and Greece We're talking about tapping into those things and having a pipeline into Europe to solve some of these problems.
So they're on that.
Who does that oil and gas belong to?
Gaza.
Gaza is occupied territory.
So this is yet another reason why the Israelis don't want anybody to have anything to do with Gaza now, except Israel, so that they can dominate offshore Mostly gas deposits, which are very lucrative indeed.
And they've got cooperation from the Greeks and the people in Crete and other people already looking at that.
So it's pretty complicated.
But when you come right down to it, the U.S. policy could affect all this.
And the big thing, of course, is stop the bombing, for God's sake.
Stop killing the children.
Okay?
Yeah.
Children should not be killed.
I mean, Roger Waters.
You would think that that would be a principle of an advanced nation.
So that no one kills the children anymore, as one of Roger Waters' songs ends.
It's just so sad.
I had a chance to challenge Bobby Kennedy.
He came to where I live now in Raleigh, North Carolina.
And I shouted out in the middle of his speech, what about the 10,000?
It was 10,000 then, two weeks ago.
What about the 10,000 Palestinian children?
What about them?
What are you going to do about them?
How come you don't talk about that?
And I think he's very, very bad on that policy.
I think he's probably, in my view, not so bad on other things, but on this one, you know, The only excuse he has is invincible ignorance, and it's hard to think that a guy as smart as Bobby Kennedy can be invincibly ignorant on this key issue.
Well, it's a moral failing, is my assessment of what Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of his view on this.
I'm really glad you challenged him on that point, because The non-profit he founded is called Children's Health Defense.
And if you can't protect children from bombs, how do you protect children's health?
I mean, what could be less healthy than being bombed as a child?
Having concrete fall on you and being smashed between layers of residential apartment buildings in Gaza.
So the silence of RFK Jr.
on that topic, in my view, is...
It's the ultimate failing of a man who says he comes from a place of morality protecting children.
You can't have it both ways.
Yeah.
It's unconscionable.
And as I say, one cannot attribute invincible or invincible ignorance to him.
So it must be something else.
And I don't like to explore motives of domestic politicians, but...
I understand that Rabbi Shmuri is schmoozing with Bobby regularly.
Yeah, well, I think we know probably the donor influences behind CHD and so on, but that's not our focus.
because let's go back to how the United States appears to want to use Israel as a proxy in order to wage war on Iran, which is a blueprint that we've seen in Europe, right?
We want to use Ukraine as a proxy to go to war with Russia.
So we've seen U.S. senators, Lindsey Graham notably, and others, saying how much they can't wait to start bombing Iran.
And I have to think that Lindsey Graham is still living in the 1980s because apparently he doesn't know that Iran has very advanced ballistic missiles, very advanced weapons, possibly nuclear weapons at this point, perhaps hypersonic missiles that they purchase perhaps hypersonic missiles that they purchase from Russia because Russia has very capable hypersonic missiles.
and that the entire U.S. Navy is just sitting there well within the range of Iran's very capable missiles.
So what's your take, Mr.
McGovern, on this attitude of let's just murder Iran like we thought we were going to do to Russia?
Mike, that's the $64 question right now.
I see the Biden regime as being divided on this issue.
There are the neocons, Victoria, Nolan, Blinken, Maybe Sullivan, who would really dearly love, just really dearly love to get into an open fight with Iran on Israel's behalf, okay?
But those were not the people that withdrew the USS Gerald Ford battleship, not battleship, but aircraft carrier group, right, four weeks ago.
What was that all about?
Well, I found it odd, really odd, and really different from the rest of the mentality.
So somebody was responsible for getting that aircraft carrier out of Dodge, right?
Out of harm's way.
Now, if another one goes back, that will tell me a lot more.
But what's happening here is that there's a battle royale going on in Washington between those who Blame every little Houthi or any other terrorist attack on Iranian-backed groups and go after Iran.
The problem is that, as you point out, Iran has got a deterrent now between what it has and what Hezbollah has right in the north of Israel.
They could destroy Israel, every major city, in the blinking of an eye, and Israel knows that.
Now, Israel, too, has a deterrent.
They have a nuclear weapon.
Iran does not have a nuclear weapon.
And the latest intelligence estimate is consistent with the one from 2007 saying Iran is not working on a nuclear weapon right now.
They have nuclear material, but What do we have?
We have a standoff here.
And hopefully the deterrent aspect will work its way so that these crazies in Washington will not start a war with Iran and have Israel destroyed in the process because that is precisely what would happen.
Wow.
Okay, let me ask you this then.
You mentioned how everything is being blamed on Iran.
And I remember seeing right after October 7th, the Wall Street Journal came out with an article, I think the very next day.
I may be wrong about the day, but it said, well, the Hamas leaders were trained in Iran or trained by Iran.
And I thought, well, that's amazing that the Wall Street Journal could do such a deep investigation in 24 hours and come up with this conclusion.
But you, as a former CIA analyst, does that smack of just sort of a planted story?
Or what do you make of that?
Well, as the British say, rubbish, rubbish.
What was learned after October 7th was that neither Iran nor Nor Hezbollah, nor anyone else knew about this Hamas attack.
That's been openly admitted by everybody, okay?
Now, what's noxious is that more recently, we have that, well, two weeks ago, our ambassador at the UN, Thomas Greenfield, she blamed some attacks on Iran directly.
I'd like to see the evidence for that because she proclaimed that at the Security Council meeting.
They're getting to the point where this faction in our leadership would really like to bloody Iran.
They make up this fiction that Iran is working on a nuclear weapon.
Just so your listeners or your viewers know, that's what everyone thought up until November of 2007, when an honest manager of intelligence had a national intelligence estimate made, and the conclusions were, Iran stopped working on a nuclear weapon five years earlier, 2002, and had not resumed work on a nuclear warhead, okay?
And that was expressed unanimously, all intelligence agencies, 16 at the time, and with high confidence.
George W. Bush complained about that.
He went to Israel and said, I don't agree with that, but how can I make war?
He says this in his memoir.
Wow.
How can I make war in a country that the intelligence community says has no active nuclear weapons program?
Bummer.
Clear, clear.
They wanted to do this war as they went out into the sunset in 2008.
And leave the subsequent administration to mop up and to survive to the degree it could.
Wow.
Wow.
And then, well, we saw what Obama did with the agreements with Iran and the sending of internationally laundered pallets of cash flown into Iran at that time.
But, I mean, this brings us full circle talking about Russia also, because if the U.S. attacks Iran, Wouldn't that obviously pull Russia into the conflict because Russia can't allow Iran to fall, Iran being such a gateway between the Middle East and not only Eastern Europe but Southeast Asia as well, and Iran being a major trading partner with Russia and also trade both ways, resources and technology, transfer and energy.
Wouldn't that pull Russia into the conflict?
But, Craig, We're the United States of America!
Right.
Delusional.
You're exactly right.
The Russians would have to do something.
And that's what would really worry me.
Now, most people don't know because the mainstream media hasn't given any play.
There is a treaty that the draft has been already concluded by Iran and Russia.
It's a strategic treaty like the one that Russia has with China.
Do you call it a mutual defense treaty?
The Russians don't like to call it that.
The Chinese neither.
It'll be a strategic cooperation treaty, but it will have military and security guarantees in it.
Now, that's just about to be ratified or signed and ratified.
Whoa!
That's how serious Russia is in trying to prevent these crazy people in Washington from thinking they can go after Iran and suffer no consequences.
That's a subject really worth watching in the next few weeks.
How soon will that treaty be concluded and exactly what will it provide?
Wow.
Wow.
Okay, yeah, that's a really big deal.
I'm glad you brought that up.
And what do you think will happen with Yemen?
Do you think that the U.S. will wage a much more aggressive war?
I mean, something beyond missile strikes, because the Yemenis, they can survive strikes and bombs.
They've done it for many years, as you already mentioned.
But are we talking about some escalation involving potentially, dare I say, boots on the ground?
Would that be considered by the U.S.? That would be really crazy, probably beyond the crazy imagination.
Now, what I'd like to do is just point out that the reason I have this kind of hair, I've been around a long time, right?
And I remember Vietnam all too well.
There are these naked-footed people pattering through the jungle.
We're not going to defeat the United States of America, right?
Right.
Fast forward to Afghanistan.
Matt Ho, my good friend, who was a captain in the Marines and then worked in Kabul as a high-level diplomat, he said the sentiment there was, are we going to lose this war to those people?
Now, there's a similar sentiment having to do with Yemen.
They're the next generation of those people, okay?
So the United States of America will never get it to its head that it can't beat, not even, it can't even beat these barefooted people in the jungle, people in the mountains of Afghanistan, and it certainly can't beat the Houthis in Yemen.
Saudi Arabia, with U.S. support, has been trying to do that for the last seven and eight years.
Boom!
The Houthis won, okay?
So I don't think the US is foolish enough, I hope I'm wrong, I hope I'm not wrong, to put ground troops in there.
But they're going to have to do something.
Now, what they'll do is foreshadowed by an interview, real quick interview that Biden himself, he was asked this question, he said, well, are we going to keep, how's the bombing of the Houthis going?
And he says, well, it's not stopping what the Hooties are doing, but we're going to keep doing it.
I saw that, yeah.
Now, I think that's the definition of insanity, isn't it, Mike?
It is.
You keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.
So, I'm hopeful.
That people will suffer enough commercially and economic disadvantage that it'll talk some sense into Biden and the rest of them saying, look, let's have a ceasefire.
Let's provide aid to the people in Gaza.
And the Houthis will stand down.
For God's sake, it's very simple.
So they can get rid of that problem by doing the right thing.
Happens to be the morally right thing as well.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And isn't it interesting that if the entire US Navy left the region, A peace might break out because Israel would say, oh my gosh, the U.S. Navy no longer has our backs.
Maybe we should stop committing genocide in Gaza.
And then the Houthis would say, oh, I guess we can stop launching drones at the cargo ships.
And then everything returns to normal trade.
But no, because I think, again, because the U.S. really wants to go to Iran, wants to bomb Iran.
And as a result, they will not leave, they will only escalate, they will only provoke.
It's a fascinating and disturbing world.
With the West having so much firepower and so little wisdom of how to use it.
That's unfortunately a good way to put it.
Now, Mike, the next benchmark in all this is the decision of the International Court of Justice, which comes down tomorrow morning.
Oh, yes, you're right.
6 a.m.
your time, I think.
But do you think that would they possibly call for a ceasefire?
I mean, I'm skeptical.
Well, I don't know.
All I'm saying is that if they do, that will be the crucible.
Absolutely.
Israel will, of course, say no.
What will Blinken and Sullivan and Nolan do then, you know?
I mean, we are, let's face it, we are responsible.
For allowing this genocide to continue.
Without us, without our weapons, without our political support, the Israelis would stop it.
So, will we continue down this road if the International Court of Justice rules that this is genocide?
I'm old enough to have remembered genocide in World War II, okay?
And, you know, six million Jews?
Well, are two million Gazans?
Is that not genocide?
Of course it is.
And it wouldn't be so bad if the Israeli leaders weren't themselves proclaiming this is their intent, this is their purpose.
And that, of course, is part of the deal where, by all rights, they should be convicted, they should be told to stop.
So we'll know more tomorrow with respect to how major powers react to this.
We've already lost many allies.
The United States has, France, Germany, and so forth on this issue.
We'll have to see whether the ICJ ruling will affect any of this.
It's got to affect it one way or another.
We have to watch for it closely.
I think you're absolutely right.
And I wonder if an ICJ ruling that declares that Israel must stop might be the opening chapter to ICC convictions or prosecutions, indictments, let's say, of the so-called war criminals who have been carrying this out.
And clearly, at least in my mind, Netanyahu is a war criminal.
No question in my mind.
He's...
At that point, I would think that people like Antony Blinken would start to be concerned.
Hey, could I be named as a war criminal by a future administration here in the United States or by the ICC? Or what about Joe Biden himself, right?
So maybe they start to think about self-preservation.
I think that's right.
It is a bigger case.
It's not just Netanyahu for who he is, but it's for those people who enable I stress again, enable Netanyahu to do the kinds of things that he's been doing.
Genocide, you know, the word doesn't slip easily off the tongue.
I mean, genocide?
United States, my country that I love, enabling genocide?
God, it's gotten really bad.
It has.
It has.
But those are American 2,000-pound bombs that are being dropped on hospitals and residential areas and refugee camps in Gaza.
It's American taxpayer money.
It's unbelievable.
Well, Mr.
McGovern, this has been just an incredible opportunity to interview you and get your analysis on what's happening in the world.
I really want to thank you for taking the time to do this today.
You're most welcome, Mike.
Glad to be with you.
Well, thank you so much, and you're welcome back anytime.
And let me just remind our viewers, your website, raymcgovern.com, and also Mr.
McGovern's Twitter handle, or X now, is also just his name, Ray McGovern.
So be sure to follow him there as well.
Again, thank you, Mr.
McGovern.
Pleasure, sir.
Thank you for your service to our country and your ongoing analysis, hopefully in the interest of peace.
Thank you so much.
Most welcome, Mike.
All right.
Take care.
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