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Oct. 20, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Francis Boyle calls for emergency PEACE INTERVENTION...
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And as you know, over the last, well, more than 10 days since October 7th, we have seen incredible strife and violence happening in the Middle East.
And I have doubled and tripled down on my calls for humanitarian principles.
I've said it's always wrong to murder civilians.
It's always wrong to bomb women and children.
It's always wrong to bomb hospitals and infrastructure that provides key survival supplies for civilians, even if you disagree with their religion or their politics.
And joining me today, a very special guest who is well-informed on this topic and many others, a returning guest, is Dr.
Francis Boyle to speak on these issues and much more and also a warning about what is yet to come if we don't de-escalate this and find diplomatic solutions.
Welcome, Dr.
Boyle.
It's an honor to have you on, sir.
Mark, thank you very much for having me on again, my best-year viewing audience.
Well, thank you so much.
As I said, it's an honor to have you on.
You've done extraordinary work in many, many areas.
And in this area, I understand you do have an urgent warning to share with us about what's going on.
So do you want to start with that?
Yes, Mike.
The London Times has reported, based on its internal sources, that President Biden regretfully gave Netanyahu the green light to invade Gaza.
And I'm afraid that based upon what happened in 2006, Hezbollah in London will come to the defense of the Palestinians in Gaza and will have a general Middle East war over there.
So you think Hezbollah will Wage incursions into northern Israel from southern Lebanon?
I don't know about incursions, Mike, but they have at least 40,000 high-powered rockets that can devastate the civilian population of Israel.
So I suspect, as what happened in 2006, Israel will perhaps invade, I don't know, and Hezbollah will defend themselves.
The problem is, it looks, Syria might get involved.
Israel stole the Golan Heights from them.
And in Syria, you also have Hezbollah forces that are lawfully there, pursuant to the request of the Syrian government to defend Syria from Obama's jihadis.
You have Iranian forces there in Syria that are lawfully there at the request of the Syrian government to defend them from Obama's jihadis.
You have Russian forces there, military forces and naval base there lawfully at the request of the Syrian government to defend them from Obama's jihadis.
And then finally, you have a thousand U.S. military forces there that are illegally there to begin with.
So that's a tinderbox of, I mean, this whole thing is about ready to explode, sadly.
I'm afraid it could.
President Biden could have stopped it in his meeting with Trump.
Netanyahu, but it's clear if you follow the accounts of the meeting and now the report in the London Times, he gave them the green light.
Now, it seems obvious to me that the Israeli forces are going to attack Gaza.
Gallant was, in fact, confirming that.
I saw some videos this morning of him promising the troops that they are currently looking at Gaza from the outside.
They would soon see it from the inside.
I can only imagine, by the way, how many IDF forces are going to be annihilated as they attempt to take Gaza.
They will pay probably a very heavy price for attempting to do so.
But in the bigger picture, and I'd like your opinion on this, but this looks to me like These events have been engineered in order to allow Netanyahu to steal the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian people.
I mean, this is just a land grab that is decorated up as a justification for ethnic cleansing, in my opinion.
What's your take on it?
Oh, that's correct, Mike.
It's very clear.
All the...
Indications are Netanyahu knew that Hamas was going to attack and let it happen so that he could solve all his domestic problems.
He's under criminal indictment and prosecution right now.
This judicial reform, deformed massive demonstrations, reservists not reporting for duty or resigning or whatever.
So this solves all of his domestic problems.
And then number two, Mike, we have to understand, going back to the Baal Conference of 1897, of the first Zionist conference, their agenda has always been the Zionists.
They want all of Palestine with no Palestinians.
So what we have seen was the Nakba in 1948.
About three quarters of a million were expelled.
Then came the Naxa in 1967.
About 400,000 were expelled.
Let me finish the point.
So now I'm agreeing with you.
We will see ethnic cleansing of the Gazans and the Zionists will eliminate another 2 million Palestinians.
They will drive them into the Sinai.
Next Occupy, call it what you want, Gaza.
They will take it.
The West Bank will be next.
Right.
We're already seeing Israeli military attacks, these violent paramilitary racist settlers going berserk right now.
Many of the people in the West, especially watching Western corporate media, they think that Israel has been just living in peace, planting flowers and watching honeybees, and that out of nowhere that Hamas carried out acts of terrorism completely unprovoked.
And although there is no excuse for killing civilians, of course, and those acts of killing, we denounce them wholeheartedly.
But there is a history to this.
You mentioned the Nakba, the catastrophe, 1948.
You used the word displacement, and that's why I wanted to jump in and add that, of course, I think even our audience knows as well, that was a slaughter of Palestinian people.
Many of them were killed.
Their homes were stolen.
Their families were forced at gunpoint to be relocated to the current Gaza Strip area and some other areas.
But That alone, if that were to happen anywhere else in the world, it would have been called a kind of ethnic cleansing, would it not?
Yes, as a matter of fact, Mike, I did argue genocide and ethnic cleansing for the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice In their genocide lawsuit against Yugoslavia, which was my idea, my recommendation to their president, Uzbedović.
And in that capacity, I single-handedly won two world court orders for Bosnia against Yugoslavia to cease and desist all acts of genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc.
against the Bosnians.
This is the first time ever that any lawyer or government had won two orders in one World Court lawsuit since the World Court was founded in 1921.
So I've been through this before, yes.
Is there any hope for legal intervention, world court intervention, or even diplomatic intervention right now to halt this attack on Gaza before it escalates out of hand and involves a regional war?
Well, I was just on Iranian television, national TV, two nights ago recommending that Iran sue Israel for genocide.
Before the International Court of Justice seek an emergency hearing and a temporary restraining order.
And I have advocated to the Palestinian leadership that they do the same.
But so far, it hasn't happened.
What can I say?
Right.
We seem to be floating along in an ocean of rage and everybody calling for war.
I've seen conservative media in particular go all out cheerleading, genocide, cheerleading the bombing of hospitals.
It's been very disturbing to me as someone who tends to have more conservative principles.
For example, I'd like your opinion on this, but most conservatives say they are pro-life.
And yet, when it comes to Palestinian lives, they want to bomb the pregnant women and abort their babies with IDF airstrikes.
So they don't believe in the principle of pro-life.
They only believe in it selectively, which means it's not a principle.
What are your thoughts on the hypocrisy we're seeing from conservative media on this issue?
Well, I'm not here to criticize conservatives, but yeah, you have to be consistently pro-life, as I see it.
And under the current circumstances, That requires an immediate ceasefire, which, as you know, yesterday the Biden administration vetoed at the UN Security Council.
That's right.
It was a ceasefire.
That's what we need.
We need an immediate ceasefire.
Then we need massive humanitarian medical supplies to the people of Gaza.
Then we can negotiate the hostages on both sides right now.
Israel has 6,000 Palestinians in their jails, most of whom are being kept there in violation of the Fort Geneva Convention of 1949, which is a war crime.
So that would be the normal, logical way to proceed here, Mike.
First, a ceasefire.
Immediate, no invasion.
Second, humanitarian relief supplies.
And then third, negotiation over the hostages.
And then when that was taken care of, perhaps there could be negotiations over the bigger problem.
So, at the time we're recording this, the attack on Gaza has not yet begun.
Many people thought it would have begun even five or six days ago.
Why do you think there has been a delay, if you agree with that characterization?
Why hasn't it happened yet?
Well, I think it is clear from what happened yesterday that That Netanyahu wanted Biden to buy into this, to the slaughter.
And so we had the bombing of the Christian hospital just before Biden arrived.
I don't think that was an accident or a coincidence.
You're talking about Ali?
Biden showed up and he bought into it hook, line and sinker.
Likewise, Sunak was just there.
He just bought into it.
So I think Netanyahu wanted to make sure that Biden was fully committed to all the bloodshed and the UK as well.
And, you know, Schulz in Germany, Macron have also supported this.
What do you make of the fact that Putin, whose Russia submitted to the United Nations the proposal for a ceasefire and negotiations in a two-state solution, and that was shot down, but what do you make of Putin's announcement that he has hypersonic missiles within range of striking U.S. aircraft carriers that are in the Mediterranean Sea right now?
Was that a threat?
Striking aircraft carriers?
What is the U.S. putting at risk by being there with such naval forces?
The Eisenhower and their crew of 5,000 sailors and Marines and the Ford are sitting ducks.
If somehow, I don't know, President Putin so far has played a very constructive role in trying to mediate On both sides here.
And also his introduction of the resolution calling for a ceasefire.
But Russia has substantial military forces in Syria.
Already there is a de facto war between Israel and Syria and Hezbollah in Syria and Iran in Syria.
And Russia could very easily get sucked into this.
I do not believe that Putin wants to, but he's going to have to protect his own forces if this whole thing blows up.
And yes, we Americans must understand the Ford and their crew and the Eisenhower and their crew are sitting ducks.
Moreover, we have to understand right now, today, in my opinion, There are very powerful Iranian anti-ship weapons in Lebanon and perhaps in Syria, either under the control of Hezbollah or Iran or both.
So they will be sitting ducks.
And the Biden people know this.
They don't really care.
Yeah, I wonder about the motivation of Biden in all of this, but let's talk about Iran for a moment, because Iran has missiles that can reach Tel Aviv, for example, or rockets, however some people use the terms interchangeably, but perhaps that's not entirely correct.
But what do you suppose Iran is thinking of doing should Israel attack Gaza and go in with the full ground force?
Will Iran attempt to stay out of this?
Or will they get involved in a more kinetic way?
As I said, based on what happened in 2006, certainly Hezbollah will come to the defense of the Palestinians in Gaza.
But I think the broader agenda of the Biden administration is to take out Iran.
Right now, I do not believe Iran militarily wants to get directly involved.
But it is clear this has been the Zionist neoconservative agenda for quite some time to take out Iran.
So either there will be a provocation or a false flag or something like that.
And I'm afraid Iran will get involved.
And yes, they can pulverize the civilian population of Israel.
They have intermediate range ballistic missiles that can go that far.
What do you make of the fact that the United Nations is putting out condemnation statements against Israel for repeated bombings of hospitals in Gaza, 51 bombings of hospitals so far in the most recent statement, killing 15 healthcare workers and injuring dozens, and also, of course, Israeli bombings of water treatment facilities?
You know, rendering much of Gaza a hellhole where even hospitals aren't safe, no water, no food, no electricity.
Why has Israel given a pass on this when, if any other nation did it, they would be condemned?
They've always done this.
Israel's one of the few countries in the world that can actually get away with destroying UN facilities and killing UN personnel.
What can I say?
But here, Mike, I want to put into framework, before we get, we've discussed an invasion, but we have to look at the current bombing campaign in Gaza by Israel.
And here, I want to quote from the 1945 Nuremberg charter that was our idea.
To prosecute the major Nazi war criminals.
And in the Nuremberg Charter, I won't go through the whole list here, but it says war crimes, quote, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, unquote.
That's exactly what What Israel is doing today in Gaza, you just turn on any, I recommend try Al-Zera or Iranian press TV, that you have a more less biased account.
But even the BBC has it all on there.
I mean, just this morning they were bombing southern Gaza.
So we have to understand, under the Nuremberg Charter, these are Nazi war crimes.
That Israel is already inflicting on the people of Gaza.
And I would add acts of genocide.
And here, Mike, let me quote for you the 1948 Genocide Convention, to which the United States government is a party.
And we have domestic implementing legislation making genocide a crime for any U.S. government officials to engage in.
And Israel is a part of the Genocide Convention as well.
So let me read for you Article 2A, killing members of the group.
2B, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
And 2c.
This is especially the case for Gaza.
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
We've already heard Israeli officials say no food, no water, no medical supplies.
Yes.
Well, that's deliberate infliction of conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction.
And then the bombing campaign, which I've already pointed out, goes back.
It's a Nazi war crime, the bombing campaign.
What's extraordinary to me, I mean, thank you for going through that, and we'd love to hear more details from you, but what's extraordinary to me is how overtly now Israeli political leaders, officials, and even influencers and journalists advocate for these war crimes as you just described.
It's openly being advocated now, the extermination of the Palestinian people, the bombing of civilians, the destruction of infrastructure.
And then there are very disturbing contradictions.
For example, Israel bombs sections of Gaza into rubble and then orders Palestinians to evacuate when they cannot evacuate and then bombs them when they try to evacuate.
That is why evacuating refugees have been killed, many of them.
You know, 70 was one number I heard.
This also seems like another layer of war crimes that would not be tolerated if any other country were doing it.
Am I am I wrong about that?
Or is that right?
Israel has been able to get away with this because it has the...
Supported the United States government, and that's why they're able to do this now.
They've done it repeatedly in Gaza.
They did it when they invaded Lebanon in 1982.
They exterminated 25,000 Arabs, just blew them away with the full support of the The Reagan administration, including the massacred Sabra and Shatia, where 3,000 Palestinian babies, children, women, and old men were just murdered.
I represented some of the women who were next of kin suing the Israeli general in charge of that, Yerom, but the Reagan administration Entered that lawsuit.
He had diplomatic privileges and immunities.
So I lost that lawsuit.
Wow.
So it seems...
First of all, what you're relaying here is absolutely extraordinary.
And for a lot of Americans, this is the first time that they're hearing of this.
So if anything...
The events of October 7th, as much as we condemn the tactics and of course we condemn the innocent slaughter of civilians no matter where they are, this has brought to light now a lot of issues about the history of Israel's brutality.
And occupation, dislocation, crimes against innocent civilians and Palestinians.
And as much as I've received personally threats from Israelis for daring to say these things, I've also received a lot of thanks from Americans who are of Palestinian ethnic origins who are saying, thank God somebody is willing to start speaking out about our struggle and what we have been through.
Do you get that kind of That polarized reaction as well?
Oh, sure.
I entered Harvard in September 1971, ardently supporting the Palestinians back in the days when everyone treated them like lepers, including at Harvard, where they're still treated like lepers today.
And since that time, Zionists have accused me of I've been blackballed, blacklisted and censored out of the entire legal profession here in the United States of America, yes.
And yet I see you, Dr.
Boyle, as someone who simply is standing for humanitarian principles in a universal way.
I'm sure you nor I, we don't condone the tactics of Hamas or any sort of killing of civilians.
We're talking about basic humanitarian principles.
People have a right...
To survive, they have a right to have access to basic water and food.
They have a right to live in their own homes and to defend their own homes against those who are trying to murder them, it seems.
Go ahead.
Well, I believe I was the first person to teach international human rights law to undergraduates at Harvard.
That was...
1977-78.
I was not the first person to teach it at Harvard.
That was my teachers at Harvard Law School.
And then I came here, and after about seven or eight years, was able to convince the faculty to let me move over from teaching criminal law to international human rights law.
And I've taught it ever since, every year.
And I've practiced it myself, sure.
Alright, let's talk about the energy dynamic in all of this.
Is it your view that U.S. support of Israel for all these years is something of making Israel a proxy of the U.S. empire in order to assert influence and control over the Middle Eastern region in order to secure energy supplies?
Or in your view, what's the tie between energy and what we're seeing right now?
That is definitely a factor.
In my opinion, the United States and the European states after the Second World War supported the creation of the State of Israel as a Western colonial imperial outpost to control and dominate the entire Middle East, including its fantastic energy supplies.
And they have done that ever since.
Yes.
Then, considering the risk of escalation of this current conflict, aren't we looking at the potential for an OPEC energy embargo like we saw in, I believe it was 73, but I'm not sure.
But if OPEC bans the export of energy, including liquid natural gas, wouldn't that be devastating to Western economies, specifically Western Europe?
Well, as you know, Iran has called for an oil embargo.
I don't think OPEC wants to do that between you and me.
Most of these Arab leaders are rotten and corrupt and in the pockets of the United States and the British.
But if war breaks out, a general war, we will see bloodshed, violence, genocide, ethnic cleansing, From the Mediterranean all the way down to the Arabian Sea.
And this is going to disrupt a massive disruption of oil supplies to Europe and China for sure.
So whether OPEC wants it or not, you have to recall after the last Arab oil embargo, the 73 war by OPEC, Henry Kissinger publicly threatened Arab leaders and say, if you ever do this again, we will attack you and invade you.
And also the Carter administration secretary of defense said the same thing.
That is why then we built the U.S. Central Command.
The US Central Command is there to control and dominate the Middle East oil fields and gas as well.
So this whole region could blow up and have a dramatic impact on the price and supply of oil.
Well, it strikes me that Conditions in the West couldn't be worse for the risk of an oil embargo or even just supply chain problems.
Because under the Biden administration, of course, we've seen a sharp reduction in oil infrastructure and energy infrastructure, you know, canceling pipelines, for example.
And also in Western Europe, since the destruction of the Gazprom pipelines, the Nord Stream coming out of Gazprom from Russia...
We've seen Germany suffer severe economic consequences from a lack of energy, also similar things in the UK and France and other countries there, even Poland.
So at this moment in history, at this time, an energy embargo would be more painful, seemingly, than any other time in perhaps decades.
Do you agree with that assessment, or what are your thoughts?
Yes, I mean, we're already, because of the war between NATO and And Russia over Ukraine.
We've already experienced severe disruptions in the supply of oil and gas.
This will multiply that by 100 between you and me.
So what I'm trying to do is see about, let's connect these dots.
If Israel moves on Gaza, it sets in motion a chain of events that could very well lead to incredibly high inflationary pressures on food and consumer goods and transportation across Western Europe and the United States due to the inevitable increases in energy prices resulting from potential embargoes, but also Iran alone can dominate the Strait of Hormuz.
Just as one nation, it can block a significant portion of liquid natural gas, for example.
But is this sequence of events, does this make sense as a real risk?
Of course, Mike, and indeed it could be worse than that.
This sequence of events with Russian troops and Russian naval forces in Syria Could lead to World War III. So it could be far beyond just disruption of oil and gas supplies.
That's why President Putin raised the issue about his missiles, as you previously pointed out.
I don't think Russia wants to get involved, but their forces are right there.
And right now they have a deconfliction agreement With Israel.
Well, how's that going to hold out if all of a sudden the Syrian and Iranian Hezbollah forces in Syria fight back once Hezbollah has entered this war?
Right.
So we could see, indeed, as you note, Israel did shoot down a Russian plank.
A failure of the deconfliction.
So it's an extremely volatile, dangerous situation.
If you go back and read Barbara Tuchman's Guns of August, we could be in a similar situation where this chain of events that you talked about Could lead to a third world war.
It really has to be stopped.
We must have an immediate ceasefire now.
We have no idea what the consequences would be.
What if an Iranian or Hezbollah anti-ship weapon hits the Ford or the Eisenhower?
Right.
The consequences would be catastrophic.
Or if the US Navy Carries out a false flag attack on one of its own ships, Gulf of Tonkin style, in order to escalate.
Well, I'm not saying the U.S. Navy, but certainly Israel could pull off a false flag just like they did in 1967 when they attacked our naval ship, Liberty, and almost destroyed it.
And I say that because for a period of time, I was pro bono counsel for the Liberty Veterans.
No kidding.
Clearly a deliberate attack by Israel to set off a false flag against the to get the United States directly involved in in that war.
And I regret to report, Mike, that despite my best efforts, because of the Zionist control and domination of the United States government, the US court system, I could not get anything for the Liberty Veterans. I could not get anything for the Liberty Veterans.
And I regret to say those naval veterans will go to their graves unvindicated because of the power of the Zionist lobby and forces and media here in the United States of America.
So this could very well happen again.
Yes.
That is extraordinarily sad to hear, but I'm glad you've been involved in so many of these important human rights cases with some victories and some losses.
Let me ask you about this idea of a two-front war.
We saw Janet Yellen just the other day announce that America can certainly afford a two-front war when I'm looking at the debt numbers and thinking America can't afford a one-front war.
America can't afford America right now.
America can't afford anything.
But a two-front war, perhaps the neocons are trying to draw Russia into a two-front war, but doesn't it seem more likely that the U.S. is going to have a lot more difficulty funding and also manufacturing munitions, for example, for a two-front war, given the loss of the industrial base of the United States over the last several decades?
What are your thoughts?
Right, Mike, as you know, tonight President Biden is going on television to make an address asking for $100 billion to support the two-front war.
The problem is the two-front war could easily emerge into a one-front war.
With Russia being involved both up in Ukraine and NATO, and then Russia is in Syria now as we speak, where Israel just yesterday attacked Syria.
So this could all merge into World War III. And you're not the only person saying that.
I'm seeing similar assessments from many other level-headed people out there.
This risk is very real.
And yet at every stage, Israel is escalating, for example, by promising to go in and attack Gaza instead of backing off and seeking diplomatic solutions.
The U.S. is clearly escalating.
And right now, as odd as it may sound, the most level-headed actors at this moment who are providing humanitarian support are China and Russia.
I mean...
China, the President Xi just called today...
For a ceasefire and negotiations, yes.
Well, of course, you know, China gets enormous quantities of oil and gas from Iran and through the Persian Gulf.
So it's not that they're completely uninterested here.
But they have taken a principled stand.
Russia has taken a principled stand.
Unfortunately, both Biden and Sunak, it appears, and Solz and Macron have given Netanyahu a green light to invade Gaza and set all this off.
It almost sounds like a horrifyingly bad joke.
Three suicide bombers walk into a bar, Biden, Sunak, and Netanyahu.
It's like they want to detonate.
This into the biggest escalation they possibly can.
What do you suppose...
What kind of thinking is happening in the minds of Netanyahu and Biden, if we can even give him that much credit?
What are they telling themselves, in your view, about this that justifies their actions?
Well, Mike...
Having been involved in opposing these people for many years, starting with the Reagan administration, we have seen the infiltration of the State Department, the Department of Defense, and the CIA by a coterie of Zionist neocon warmongers.
And that is what has been influencing our Foreign policy since then.
After eight years of Reagan, they were thoroughly entrenched in state defense and the CIA. It's this mentality that we are dealing with, and I think you are familiar with the philosophy of the Zionist neocons, both in Ukraine, Newland there, and In the Middle East, sure.
Yeah, Newland is...
Newland is now the acting Deputy Secretary of State.
And Biden knows, he put her there.
And let me say this, we had the U.S. Secretary of State Blinken go over to Israel and say, I'm appearing here as a Jew.
Right, he did say that.
I mean, that's just atrocious.
And we saw a member of Congress show up in IDF uniform.
Saying that...
The Jews are now in control of American foreign policy.
You know, when Kissinger was Secretary of State dealing with the Middle East, he knew he was Jewish, but he never ran around saying anything about being Jewish.
He did what he could do pursuant to Nixon's instruction.
And yet now, Blinken has made it clear To the Arab and Muslim world that it's the Jews and the American government against Palestinians and Muslims.
We're dealing here with Huntington's clash of civilizations.
That's the way Blinken and Biden have put it.
And I say that because I went through the same I had a PhD program at Harvard that produced Huntington before me.
And at that time, many of us refused to study with Huntington as a matter of principle because of his diehard support for the Vietnam War.
But we had to read everything we had to say.
Well, Blinken phrased and framed this entire matter as a clash of civilizations.
Well, extending this thought of this clash of civilizations, the Biden administration, including Newland, who you mentioned, who I would characterize as truly a genocidal person, clearly wants the ethnic cleansing of those of Russian ethnicity.
They have miscalculated grossly in the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
They have been horribly wrong.
And Ukraine is losing dramatically.
Its so-called counteroffensive failed utterly.
And Ukraine has essentially run out of resources and will never retake its land militarily.
From Russia and the Donbass region already voted several sections to join Russia anyway.
What are your thoughts on whether the neocon Zionists, as you've described them, are also miscalculating over Israel?
And is it possible, this is the big question, that Israel could unleash a set of actions that would lead to the ending of Israel in the Middle East because of their miscalculations?
You're correct.
Newland and the neocons have used the Ukrainians as cannon fodder against Russia to attack Russia, break Russia up into its constituent units, and exploit those constituent units to the extent they can.
It's the same group of people here Who are now using Israel as their cannon fodder as well.
And I regret to say, if all this happens, sure, Israel could become defunct.
Yes, and we'll see massive death and destruction for the citizens of Israel.
But look, Mike.
They didn't care about the Ukrainians, did they?
No.
No, they did not.
They didn't have diddly-squat about the Ukrainians.
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are now dead.
And in a failed venture, as you correctly pointed out, there could be hundreds of thousands of dead Israelis too, but they don't really care.
It's their geopolitical perspectives.
The Middle East is the prize.
It's all that oil and gas there in the ground.
So, sure.
So, in this worst case scenario for Israel, it could be that the Israeli people become the refugees displaced from what they now consider to be their land.
You know, Israel is a country surrounded by an ocean of Arabs.
Who are actually being brought together, it seems, more and more, because of the atrocities that Israel is committing in Gaza.
For example, the bombing of the Al-Ali hospital, although I know opinions differ on who's responsible for that.
But the Arab world believes that Israel bombed that hospital and Israel has bombed the Al-Quds hospital and, of course, 51 other strikes on hospitals.
So it's not inconceivable that Israel bombed that hospital.
But they've united the Arab world in many ways that I think Westerners thought would be impossible.
Your thoughts?
Thank you.
And I would encourage everyone today to look at your Brideon article on the bombing of that hospital.
It's excellent You have all the facts in there that Israel clearly was responsible for the bombing.
I suspect, again, it was done to make sure that Biden was fully bought in to all the bloodshed and the killing.
You are also right about the surrounding Arab states.
It appears from the reports, Blinken has gone around to all these surrounding Arab states with supporting the Israeli plan that the two million Gazans will be ethnically cleansed, displaced into the Sinai Desert.
They'll be put in camps there and then dispersed throughout the Arab world.
The problem is President el-Sisi, he's a bloodthirsty dictator, but he's made it clear he's not interested in doing that.
I don't know how he can prevent it.
The only way he could prevent it is to move the Egyptian army up to the border of Gaza, but he's prohibited from doing that under the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty.
So if Netanyahu goes ahead with these plans, that could jeopardize the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty.
Likewise in Jordan, King Abdullah, when he was appraised of these plans, was shocked.
And he doesn't want anything to do with this either.
But again, Netanyahu and these diehard religious fundamentalist settlers in his government, they want to expel the West Bank Palestinians into Jordan.
And their position, the Likud position, Netanyahu, their position has always been Jordan is Palestine.
And that will completely destabilize Jordan.
Half their population is Palestinian.
So you could have a breakdown of both the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty and the Jordanian-Israeli peace treaty as well.
No one wants to see that.
These things could happen.
Sure.
Now, these these actions that we're talking about today, and I greatly appreciate your time.
We're going to wrap this up in a few minutes, but also your courage in in your humanitarian point of view, which is very unpopular today, as I've also found.
But these actions that are being taken by Israel and the United States, which are indeed escalatory actions, no question about it.
These actions have placed all of us, all of us who are Americans, all Christians and all Jews in harm's way worldwide.
In fact, the U.S. State Department has issued a worldwide travel advisory.
I have it on my screen here.
It's a caution.
Just issued worldwide caution for all U.S. citizens to be prepared for the potential for terrorist attacks, demonstrations, or violent actions against U.S. citizens.
This would not be happening if it were not for the actions of Israel.
So Israel has put a target on all our backs, even if we disagree with Israel's policies.
You're correct.
They know what's coming.
They know this war is coming.
And that Americans all over the world, certainly the Arab Muslim world, will be in jeopardy.
Our military personnel, our bases, we have over 800 bases around the world.
Our diplomats and our consular officials, yes.
And I also want to commend you by pointing out the Christian population in Palestine.
People lose sight of this fact.
But there is a very substantial Christian population in Palestine, and they have been persecuted too by the Israeli Zionists to drive them out.
So they are at risk as well, sure.
Yeah, I mean, the most notable hospital strike was a Baptist hospital in Gaza.
That's the Al-Ali hospital.
And I also find it interesting, I'll just point this out, that then after that, Israel came up with what they called an intercepted audio conversation that they claimed proved that the jihadis launched a rocket.
And yet they tell us they had a total intelligence failure on October 7th and couldn't have intercepted anything and were completely surprised.
So it strikes me that Israel's intelligence only works when they magically want it to.
Well, I mean, you've debunked their propaganda, their Hasbara on the hospital bombing.
I couldn't do a better job than what's on your website today.
I wasn't aware that you'd read that, but I appreciate that.
I was up late writing that article.
And credit goes to informationliberation.com.
Also, Chris Minahan originally turned me on to that.
Now, Dr.
Boyle, in the few minutes we have left, wrapping this up, what else would you like to convey that I haven't asked you or that I have missed?
Yes, let me say this.
I served as legal advisor to Chairman Yasser Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization on the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 15, 1988.
It was my idea.
And in that Declaration of Independence, the Palestinians in their Palestine National Council, which represented Palestinians all over the world, officially accepted a two-state solution.
They officially accepted it and attempted to negotiate a two-state solution with Israel ever since November 15, 1988.
I've been involved in these negotiations.
I have monitored them.
And the truth is, I never saw one iota of good faith by Israel in negotiating a two-state solution with the Palestinians.
Even worse, The United States government and the Zionist officials in the State Department for all those years have always sided with Israel against the Palestinians.
And they have always been Israel's lawyer against the Palestinians.
And they have lied, threatened, bullied, and intimidated the Palestinians who have attempted, in good faith, To establish a two-state solution.
Regretfully, we are where we are today.
Do you think a two-state solution is ever possible from this point forward?
If Netanyahu goes and invades Gaza, all bets for all people over there, Israelis and Palestinians, Muslims, Christians and Jews will be off.
I have indeed Several of the Israeli leaders have said this, we'll be seeing a completely different Middle East.
It'll be rubble and ruins all over, except the oil and gas will still be there underground.
And at some point, the Western energy companies will be able to pump out that oil and gas.
One final question, if you don't mind.
You teach economics, among other things, correct?
No, I teach all aspects of international law and international relations.
I also have a Ph.D. I graduated from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government.
I graduated from the exact same PhD program that produced Henry Kissinger before me.
They gave me Kissinger's old office, Center for International Affairs.
It was kind of spooky for a year.
Well, I ask you that because I believe that Western leaders are also not anticipating the domestic U.S. implications of rising prices of food and rent and transportation because we are already with record crime.
Shoplifting is shutting down retail operations across the United States.
Fuel prices are rising even now, even before Israel attacks Gaza.
But it seems like that rising energy prices will be strongly correlated with civil unrest across the United States of America.
Would you agree with that?
Yes, for sure.
And we could see this increase, yes.
Well, I guess we all had better prepare and pray.
Last thing, what do you think the American people should do right now to try to de-escalate this?
Right now, the only thing that might help is people power.
The Americans taking to the streets in peaceful, nonviolent resistance and demanding an immediate ceasefire.
Okay.
That's the only alternative we have now as I see it.
All right.
Well, we join you in that.
And we ask all those watching to join us in calling for peace, calling for a ceasefire, calling for diplomatic solutions rather than just incessant bombing of infrastructure and civilians.
That is not going to be the answer.
And it will blow back on all of us if we don't stop this.
We are not insulated from this just because it's so far away.
Thank you, Dr.
Boyle, for your courage and your thoughts here.
We really appreciate your input.
Well, again, Mike, thanks very much for having me on.
You're very welcome, sir.
Have a wonderful day.
We'll talk again soon, and feel free to reach out to us at any time.
Sure.
Goodbye.
And thank all of you for watching today.
Again, I call for peace.
I call for de-escalation.
And I am a humanitarian, principled person.
I believe in the pro-humanity rights of people, even if they are of different religion or different ethnicity or speak a different language.
It doesn't matter to me.
I have found that I'm somewhat isolated in having actual principles rather than pretending to have principles that are only invoked when they are convenient for particular tribes.
So thank you for watching.
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