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Oct. 13, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Brian Berletic from The New Atlas joins Mike Adams for expert analysis on Israel...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, joining you from my home studio today because we're joined by a very special guest who is in a completely different country, different time zone, so that's why I'm doing it from here.
And our guest today, a returning guest, and someone whose work I greatly admire is Brian Berletic from The New Atlas, and his channel on YouTube is called The New Atlas, and he joins us today to talk about what's going on in the world because it seems like there's nothing happening whatsoever.
So welcome, Brian Berletic.
It's an honor to have you on.
Thank you so much for having me back on.
It's an honor and a pleasure.
I'm thrilled to have you on.
As you know, I listen to every one of your broadcasts, by the way.
And so thank you for what you do.
And I just want to share with my audience real quickly that the reason I very much appreciate your work and your video reports, Brian, is because you bring a level of rationality and really reasoned analysis to everything you're talking about.
And even you've been focused on Ukraine, of course, a lot.
Thank you.
Thank you.
No kidding.
Okay, you got me blushing a little bit.
I wasn't aware of that, but let's jump right into the issues.
And I know we can always learn from each other, so I want to help share your expertise with the audience.
And let me start out by saying something that will be controversial, and that is the PSYOP... has a new chapter, the Global PSYOP, which started out with, I stand for the science, and then it became I stand for Ukraine, and now it's I stand with Israel.
So people keep falling for the same PSYOP, just in different flavors, over and over again.
What is your big picture perspective now of what is rapidly becoming called a holy war, which is kind of scary for lots of reasons, now in Israel involving Palestinian civilians, Gaza Strip, and all of that?
So you bring up a really interesting point.
We see these new chapters, and a lot of these chapters are actually remakes, and we've seen the fighting between Israel and Hamas erupt at different times over the years.
And then there's these periods of relative calm.
And now we see the fighting erupting at a very convenient time.
We see it erupting at a time where the U.S. proxy war against Russia is faltering in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian offensive has, by almost all admissions, failed.
And it was a perfect time for a distraction.
We don't have any actual evidence that this was all planned and engineered and timed.
But it is very convenient, and we can see the United States and its allies shifting their attention away from this growing failure in Ukraine toward Israel, supporting Israel.
You mentioned a holy war, and this is very troubling.
And it is not about religion.
It isn't.
But they understand that religion is very powerful, and it draws people in.
It It encourages them to switch off their reasoning and their objectivity and picking sides.
And I just want to point out to people who might be skeptical about this, Jews, Muslims, and Christians have lived in the Middle East together in peace for generations.
And that legacy continues even to this day in certain places, if you know where to look.
In Syria, there are ancient Christian communities that still exist.
They preserve a very old I guess you would say of Christianity and it is the Syrian government that protects them and had protected them and the Syrian Arab army who fought and died trying to protect these communities and the the government is headed by President Bashar al-Assad who is an al-await Shia Muslim and the Syrian Arab army is mostly Sunni Muslim so you have two Different types of
Muslims joining together to fight and protect these Christian communities.
And something else people don't know is that the largest community of Jews in the Middle East outside of Israel is actually in Iran.
A lot of people don't know that.
And they live there peacefully, protected by the government.
They're even given a seat in the Iranian government representation, even though the total population isn't large enough under Under the rules and regulations, they made an exception for the Jewish community, an ancient community in Iran.
So people should keep that in mind.
It is possible even today for all of these groups to live in peace, to work, and even fight alongside each other.
So what is actually driving this conflict that we see erupt between Israel and Hamas?
And who is Hamas?
And who is behind Hamas?
So a lot of people are jumping to conclusions.
They're listening to the media.
The same media that we know lied to us about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Absolutely.
Yes, lied to us about a certain health so-called pandemic.
And now they're lying to us about Hamas.
They say it's an act sponsored by Iran and, to a lesser degree, Syria.
Again, what people forgot, which was even reported in the Western media...
Hamas went to Syria to fight alongside ISIS and Al-Qaeda, all of whom were backed by the U.S. in the proxy war against the government in Tabascus.
That was something that was even reported on in the Western media.
And we remember Israel's role in this, the government and the military, the population of Israel, that is a separate issue.
They were actually providing support and cover for Extremists, including ISIS, along their borders.
During that fighting, they were giving ambulance rides to ISIS, and that was even reported in the Israeli media.
People were outraged by that.
So you look at all of these different factors, we can see that there's much more to this conflict than just evil Hamas fighting the victims in Israel, but then There's more to it than that as well.
I don't know how...
Yes, but...
Well, the masses of people on either side of this conflict, of course, probably know none of the information that you just mentioned.
The general information consumer out there is, you know, day-to-day oblivious to the geopolitical events of the world.
And they believe...
You know, it's funny...
Let me put it this way.
In the last few days since this Hamas attack took place, I have witnessed personally people that I know who are Israeli who were completely aware of what was going on.
They were skeptical of the government when it came to Ukraine versus Russia.
They were skeptical of the government proclamation surrounding vaccines.
They did not believe anything that Joe Biden said.
They did not believe Newland or Blinken or Sullivan.
They did not believe the State Department until Hamas.
Now, suddenly, Joe Biden, they're all on board with Biden.
They're all on board with the State Department.
They stand with Israel.
All it took was one...
One day of a terror attack, which many people I've interviewed believe was allowed to penetrate the defenses of Israel.
That's all it took.
And then these people who were aware, awake, rational...
They have become extremely emotional, reactive, vengeance oriented, and now I have people telling me, people that I have known to be reasonable people, telling me that if I don't support the complete genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, then I am an enemy of Israel.
Imagine that.
I can't imagine that because I have the same problem over and over again.
Each time, as you say, a new chapter is written and introduced to the public, you have to go through the whole process all over again, looking at the fundamental issues that are driving this and explain to people what is actually happening versus these narratives that were being presented.
Now, what Hamas did was there were multiple elements to it.
They did attack military targets, but they also did You have to ask yourself, why did they do that?
They had such a successful military operation, why did they include this element of terrorism?
And just as you say, I know people who are very rational, objective, fair, and when they saw this, they were siding with Hamas.
It doesn't matter.
All of those people there were settlers.
They all deserved what they got.
And I have to say that, no, a war crime is a war crime.
It doesn't matter who commits it.
Agreed.
That's a core principle that we share, that killing women and children is wrong when Hamas does it, and it's also wrong when Israel does it.
Absolutely.
And not only that, I'm here in Thailand.
I have a lot of Thai friends who are very politically aware.
A lot of them are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.
Not Hamas, but the Palestinian cause.
When they saw Hamas slaughtering Thai laborers, these are people who have no political awareness.
They just went there to make money, to work, and that was it.
They weren't involved in any way whatsoever, and they were slaughtered by these Hamas fighters.
It's inexcusable, and if we start excusing that You're fighting a cause that you think is just, but now you're becoming like those that you claim you're fighting, then what is even the purpose of fighting in the first place?
Now, what people have to understand is that the people in, say, Gaza, they live in, and many people describe it this way, an open-air prison.
It's blockaded on almost all sides by Israel.
Egypt also restricts a lot of what goes across the border.
And it's complicated because Hamas, its origins lie with the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood and Israel were both created by the British Empire and also the United States, which took up the torch of the British Empire as the UK faded.
Both of these organizations, Israel as a country and the Muslim Brotherhood as an organization, have been used for decades and decades To advance U.S. geopolitical objectives in the region.
It's hard to explain this to people because they see Israel, say, carpet bombing Gaza.
It's outrageous.
That is a war crime.
They're doing it deliberately.
They announced that we don't care about precision, we care about damage.
We're cutting food and fuel to Gaza.
They know that that's going to shut down hospitals.
That is a war crime.
And so people are genuinely and legitimately outraged.
They want justice.
They want to fight back.
They want vengeance.
The problem is that all of that, all of those emotions, all of those reasons to fight are channeled into an organization like Hamas that is more or less controlled opposition, just like al-Qaeda, just like ISIS.
So you have people who have a genuine just cause, and then their energies are being channeled into something entirely unjust or using tactics and a strategy that are unjust.
And actually, this leads me to a really interesting question for you, which will take advantage of your global knowledge in answering.
But with Ukraine and Russia and NATO, we saw many miscalculations by the West.
They miscalculated when they shut off Russia from the SWIFT system.
They thought they would collapse the Russian economy.
Russia actually became stronger, its currency became stronger, and Russia began to source more locally, creating more resilience for its industrial production base, right?
Meanwhile, Western Europe was devastated by the economic loss of the natural gas from Gazprom.
So that was a gross miscalculation, probably, by America, or America is the enemy of Western Europe, one or the other, right?
Yeah, or both, right.
There have been many, many miscalculations, and a lot of the efforts by the West have actually had so much backlash, it has, as we say in America, boomeranged back on them.
Is there a chance, in your view, that Israel's first siege of Gaza, which the UN describes as a war crime, but also then what appears to be an imminent assault on Gaza,
Could also actually help the Palestinian independence cause by raising awareness of, let's say, brutality carried out by the Israeli government against Palestinian civilians who are not Hamas.
I think that's actually a really good point.
We've actually seen this in the past when Israel has bombed Gaza.
We've seen international outrage, and it gets stronger and stronger each time this happens.
This time we watched Hamas carry out war crimes, atrocities that have really, I would say, turned public sentiment definitely against Hamas and maybe giving them pause for thought supporting this whole issue.
But I think ultimately the brutality that is now unfolding, carried out by the Israeli government and its military, I think that is going to override whatever Hamas did during those several days they were carrying out And it will.
It will continue to turn public opinion against Israel and against Israel's backers.
Going back to your original question, what is going on on a global scale?
We watch the U.S. involved in Ukraine.
Why?
Why are they involved in Ukraine?
They're antagonizing, trying to encircle and contain Russia.
We've talked about Taiwan in the past, how the United States has politically captured Taiwan.
They're using them as a proxy.
They have no intention of the people living a long and happy life there.
They fully plan to do to Taiwan what they've done to Ukraine.
And why do we think that Israel as a proxy of U.S. geopolitical ambitions is going to be spared this fate?
Right.
And why do we see all of these conflicts now?
And you talked about their miscalculations because the world is changing.
They're out of time.
They wanted to reassert Western hegemony over the entire planet following World War II. They struggled for decades to do this.
And now we see multipolarism emerging.
They're running out of time.
They talk about Russia and Iran and China rushing towards some sort of global conflict.
They're not rushing toward any conflict.
They know time is on their side.
It's the United States that is out of time.
They're the ones rushing toward conflict.
That's why they're making this calculation.
That's a really, really good point.
The U.S. empire is rushing into the provocation of conflict, which they did with Russia, and they are now trying to do with China.
You're exactly right.
Time is on China's side, for example, just in the construction of naval vessels.
You know, that stunning analysis that came out a couple weeks ago that showed that China has 232 times the capacity output of naval vessels than does the United States Navy.
I was shocked when I saw that.
And if you understand that dynamic, it means that China wants to wait a few years before asserting whatever, perhaps an embargo of Taiwan or conflict with U.S. Navy in the South China Seas or whatever it is, or just maybe patrolling trade routes.
its economic output while the United States is carrying out sabotage operations and false flag operations and trying to cause chaos everywhere that it doesn't control, right?
Because that's what the U.S. does.
But isn't it, well, I guess I'm just confirming what you're saying, that time is on the side of China and Russia and even Iran, not the United States.
So I agree with your assessment, Brian.
Yes, and people need to keep that in mind when they see the United States making these decisions We have to ask ourselves, why are they making these decisions?
Why are they waging this proxy war against Russia and Ukraine that they clearly cannot...
Why would they decide to do that just because they feel they don't have any other option?
They do have an option, though.
It's for the United States to...
Stop this brand of foreign policy where they're meddling, interfering, and entangling themselves around the globe and to just become another nation on Earth working among all other nations rather than trying to impose itself on all other nations.
And if they did that, I think America could have, you know, they would reform, they would revitalize They would work on their industry instead of obsessing with competing with China, for example, a country with a much larger population, industrial base, its education system has far surpassed the United States in both quality and quantity.
You cannot compete with that.
You have to recognize your rational place in the world.
If you're a fraction of the global population, yet you demand hegemony over the whole population, is that rational?
Yeah, it's absolutely clear that the US empire, as I call it now, is operating as if it were a post-World War II era where all the other economies had been destroyed and only the US was remaining and could sail the high seas of the world and demand anything from anyone.
That is no longer the case, clearly.
But let me bring in another element, which is this multi-front war that is the result of these U.S. policies that you are describing.
So we found out over the last year and a half that the U.S. cannot supply much in the way of additional munitions or military equipment to Ukraine.
And, of course, the U.K., bottom of the barrel, as they say, we run out of munitions.
The same thing true across Western Europe.
In fact, hundreds of thousands of artillery shells were taken out of storehouses in Israel and sent to Ukraine.
And so Israel is left without those extra supplies.
Now, the United States moving naval vessels into the Mediterranean Sea in order to apparently provide cover for whatever Israel is about to do.
The U.S. is going to find itself in a two front war starting perhaps tomorrow.
And then China on top of that, because they're trying to provoke issues with China, China is how how delusional is the State Department and the Biden administration in thinking that America can fight and win a three front war when it couldn't even win a one front war with Russia?
Absolutely.
And the worst part about all of this is the U.S. recently announced that they are now going to send artillery shells to Israel.
So they took...
Artillery shells out of Israel.
Now they're going to send them back.
They didn't have any at all to spare for Ukraine.
They had to send as many as possible to Ukraine.
And that was just to prolong.
There was no prospect of actually winning.
And now they're going to divide that amount of aid, send some to Ukraine, some to Israel.
So that's, again, two fronts, two proxy wars.
And now they're openly planning on a third war.
With China over the status of Taiwan.
So it is completely delusional.
But people in, say, the State Department, people in Washington, people on Wall Street, in London, in Brussels, they have a supremacist mindset.
And they cannot separate that from the reality of the situation they're in.
They think that they are superior and that somehow it's just going to work out.
Even though none of the facts add up to that conclusion.
This is what's extraordinary to witness as an American here in America, is to watch the administration I think that they can print their way out of every problem like they print money as if they could print 155 artillery shells.
But you can't.
You actually have to make them, which means you need minerals.
You need metals.
You need industrial output.
You need workers.
You need cotton linters.
You need gunpowder.
You can't print that out of nothing.
You used the word delusional.
I completely agree.
We are living among an administration.
It kind of reminds me, actually, of when Adolf Hitler was ordering the movement of imaginary units of his military.
Have the Second Army attack in the Ardennes.
The Second Army is destroyed, sir.
There is no Second Army.
That's what this feels like to be.
What do you think?
Absolutely.
I don't want to do the comparison with Nazi Germany because some people...
Oh, you know, everyone compares them to Nazi Germany.
But it is actually an appropriate comparison.
It is exactly the case.
So we're watching the United States struggle with this reality versus what their mindset is.
And why is this?
It's because the leadership in the United States, if you listen to them talk amongst their think tanks, when they're at these forums where they think most of the general population isn't listening, They demonstrate a complete disconnect from the actual mechanics of daily life.
I think a lot of these people have never had a real job in their life.
They don't understand how industry works.
And just as you say, they think that they can print all of these resources out of thin air just as they print money out of thin air.
And now they're realizing that they can't.
We hear what their proposed solution is, say, to the conflict in Ukraine.
We'll just expand production as if you just Push a button and it expands.
It doesn't.
It could take years to do that.
When we hear people talk about, we can compete with China, we just have to bring the industry back.
That could take a generation to do.
It probably will take a generation to do.
If they were to start now, which they haven't seriously even begun.
Well, let me add to that, Brian.
As a business owner that owns a significant large warehouse and manufacturing facility for food and supplements and a laboratory and all of that, I can assure you...
I don't know if you've heard this from other people, but the status of being able to hire workers in the United States has collapsed.
There are virtually no workers who want to work in a warehouse at almost any wage.
the culture of what used to be a strong work ethic in the United States is completely gone.
And a lot of this happened with COVID when everybody was told to work at home, and now none of them want to go back to work, and they often refuse to go back to work, and they complain about commutes and so on.
So somehow the culture of the workers in the United States has been shattered, and I would imagine that whether you're trying to manufacture food, like in my case, or artillery shells, or tank tracks, or whatever, there's nobody that wants to do that work, or whatever, there's nobody that wants to do that work, period.
And I can't help but think, this is just a theory, I can't prove it, but I can't help but think the Pentagon needs a few million illegal workers to cross the border, because that's who's going to be making the munitions.
That's my guess.
Well, I mean, this has been the problem with empires all throughout history.
The leadership becomes complacent.
They think that at a certain point they don't need hard work to continue moving forward.
Everything will just come to them.
We see this mentality, especially in Washington, even on Wall Street.
We see a lot of these massive companies, corporations in the United States...
They're not run by, say, Boeing or Lockheed.
They're not run by people interested in military industrial production.
They're run by investors who only care about squeezing every single penny out of every process in the corporation, even if in the long term it's unsustainable, even if in the long term it runs contra to the self-preservation of that industry.
And this is the huge problem the Collective West has, and they complain about this.
In their articles about expanding production, no one wants to do it because there's no profit in it.
Meanwhile, you have Russia and China.
It's a state-owned enterprise, and it works toward a purpose, not profits.
They make profits, of course, but that's secondary to the purpose, which is to make sure that Russia and China have enough weapons, warplanes, armored vehicles, ammunition for the large-scale protracted conflicts They think that they will be involved in the future.
And on top of that all, Russia was thinking about fighting this conflict in Eastern Europe on its border as a means of defending itself.
China is talking about waging war off their own coast.
They're not talking about and they're not producing a military that's even capable of projecting military power.
Anywhere beyond that.
So these are the advantages that Russia and China alone, let alone combined, have over the United States and Europe.
It's one of these fundamental factors that's going to determine the outcome of all of this.
There's also an economic variance that I think is worth noting here.
And I don't recall, it might have been Bloomberg that did this analysis.
I'd have to check my notes.
But the analysis of the cost of production of one standard round of 155 artillery in the United States was roughly around $6,000.
But that Russia could produce an equivalent round for about $600 U.S. dollars.
So Russia has, at one-tenth the cost of resources, can produce the same thing that the U.S. can.
And this also then helps explain, I think, why Russia is often cited as having a ten-to-one artillery advantage, actually, in the conflict in Ukraine.
Imagine being able to fire ten times your artillery shells for the same price that your enemy, your strategic enemy, paid for one round.
That's a major factor.
Yes, absolutely.
They're producing more for cheaper.
And if you look at, say, the Russian education system, they're pumping out almost the equivalent total number of science, technology, engineering, and mathematic graduates as the United States, despite having a smaller population.
And, of course, China...
It's producing many times more, millions more every single year.
And then when you have those people entering the workplace, that is another enabler of their respective industries.
And the costs in the United States, when you look at why things cost more, it's because you have an entire economy that is utterly obsessed with profits.
Everything is inflated.
The cost of everything is inflated in the United States.
If you talk about health care, Everything is artificially inflated.
The cost of something in the United States versus, say, here in Thailand is many times more expensive, and that distorts the entire economy.
I'm not against profits.
You look in Russia and China, they're not disinterested in profits, but they understand if you want to sustain your economy, There are certain things that you have to do to ensure that the pursuit of blind profit in the short term doesn't disrupt everything in the long term.
It's a balance.
Let me add to that, because I would argue, Brian, that what we're witnessing so often in the United States isn't even, of course, free enterprise.
It's the government picking winners in the marketplace by providing subsidies to certain industries that are favored by the government, such as the electric vehicle industry.
And I dare say the current UAW strike that is continuing and expanding in the United States, which is causing havoc with the supply chain of...
Vehicles and even workplace diesel trucks and what have you.
That's because the government pushed EVs on these companies, EVs that people don't want to buy, therefore cutting into the profits, therefore making it more difficult for the companies to meet the demands of compensation of the workers leading to the strike.
So here we have government intervention, not free market dynamics.
If it were free market dynamics, Ford and Chrysler and so on would just respond to, okay, what do the customers want to buy?
Well, they want to buy reliable combustion engine vehicles because they don't have to wait eight hours to fill up the gas, you know?
But that's not allowed to take place anymore in America.
It becomes even more complicated.
When you look at unions in the United States, you find They're often influenced by the very forces they're supposedly organizing against.
It becomes very complicated.
At the end of the day, we could talk all day about everything that is wrong with the U.S. economy, but it does come back down to...
You're absolutely right.
It's not a free enterprise.
It's not a free market.
It is the blind pursuit of profits by monopolies Who jealously and viciously carve out these and then maintain these monopolies at the cost of absolutely everyone, including themselves in the long term, because we can see how unsustainable it is.
I don't see any other country in the world that does this.
You see that in each respective society you have a segment of the population that is tempted to do this, to pursue profits at the cost of everything else, but it's tempered.
And there's a balance, and that's what allows all of these other countries to continue moving forward.
But a country with a huge amount of human resources, natural resources, just the size of the U.S. population, they should not be having these problems.
They will never be as powerful and as influential as China when China fully rises, but they would still be one of the most powerful nations ever.
One of the most influential nations.
It's up to them to decide if that influence is going to be positive or they're going to continue with what they're doing now.
Clearly, just the geography of North America is an incredible gift if it were properly recognized.
But I want to shift gears back to the Middle East, if you don't mind, because I'd like your analysis of what happens next, assuming Israel makes good on its promise to send apparently up to 300,000 IDF soldiers and tanks and so on into Gaza to conduct an armed...
Leveling of Gaza, door-to-door, killing, arresting, executing.
It seems like all of those are in their plans.
And then also, by the way, Hezbollah has promised that that's a line in the sand for them.
And then they promised to attack from southern Lebanon.
And there's already conflict with Syria.
There's armored vehicles, some movement being detected in Jordan.
And of course, there's always Iran waiting to see how this goes.
What is your assessment of what may unfold?
I'm not going to ask you to make a solid prediction.
There's too many variables.
But what are the trends we should look for if Israel attempts the military takeover of Gaza?
It'll be protracted.
It'll be extremely bloody for Israel.
A lot of these reservists being called up are actually going to be sent to the north, northern Israel, to guard against Hezbollah in case they decide to intervene.
I would say Hezbollah, entirely different than Hamas, a completely different mindset.
They're very practical.
They're very strategic.
They say that they will intervene, but I think they understand that if they were to, they would be putting themselves at a complete disadvantage and unnecessarily putting in danger the people of Lebanon who they protect.
That is their purpose for existing, to protect Lebanon and to protect and work with their allies, which are primarily Syria and Iran.
I'm not sure if they will intervene, but if they did, yes, it would obviously set the stage for a wider escalation.
We see Israel shooting missiles into Syria.
Right now, they attacked two airports.
They're in the middle of what they claim is some existential threat from Hamas.
And now they're launching missiles into Syria.
And remember I said Hamas actually went to Syria to fight against the government, against the military, against Iran, against Russia.
So it looks as if Israel is looking...
To use this as a provocation to escalate.
And like I pointed out before, you see U.S. proxies like Ukraine and Taiwan, they pursue a policy that runs contrary to their self-preservation.
I believe Israel does as well.
That's a really critical point because I agree with your assessment.
I see Israel on a course of action that is not in the interest of the Israeli people, that actually subjects Israel to far more dangerous opponents than Hamas.
You know, Hamas can be dealt with, but...
How do you compete with the military of Turkey, for example?
You don't.
Or Egypt, for that matter.
The number of tanks and artillery and aircraft and armored vehicles that are possessed by all these various nations that surround Israel, they dwarf Israel's military might as much as the media likes to pump that up.
We just saw guys with parachutes defeat the entire border.
I mean, so you can't tell me that Israel can defeat the militaries of all these other nations.
Should they decide to do to Israel what Israel is doing to Gaza?
Yeah, it becomes complicated.
A lot of people say, look at these Arab nations surrounding Israel, and they're always...
Crying about the Palestinians, but they never do anything to step in and help.
Again, it's complicated.
Hamas was deliberately created through cooperation between the U.S., Israel, their Arab allies in the region.
They wanted to create an extremist organization that would poison everyone against the Palestinian cause.
And so you have Egypt.
Egypt is reluctant to assist Hamas, which Cropped out of the Muslim Brotherhood.
If people remember the Arab Spring, the US engineered that years in advance.
I've gone over the documented evidence of that extensively for many years.
The Muslim Brotherhood was being used by the United States to undermine and overthrow governments all across the region during the Arab Spring.
And the Muslim Brotherhood set the stage in Syria for the protracted U.S. proxy war toward regime change.
They want to help the Palestinian people.
Their cause is just, but Hamas is problematic.
It prevents them from coming in and doing that.
A lot of people always ask me, because I get accused by people on both sides, of being pro-Hamas or pro-Israel.
I'm neither.
I want to see the Palestinian people live Side by side with Israel in peace, it can be done.
We saw Iran and Saudi Arabia result there.
Supposedly, you know, they were implacable enemies.
Now they're resolving their issues.
It can happen with Israel and Palestine, but we have to cut out these external factors driving it.
Yes, yes.
And by the way, the way I answer that question when people ask me or accuse me is, look, I'm pro-humanity.
I believe that all lives have value, and I believe it is always wrong to murder innocent civilians, non-combatives, and especially women and children and elderly and people in hospitals and so on.
And I know you agree with me on those basic principles.
It's just that we live in a world now where I think?
When Israel does it, laying siege to Gaza, she says nothing.
Because when Israel does it, it's not a crime.
But when Russia does it, it is a crime.
So that's not a principle.
It's not a principle when you selectively apply it.
Principles, by definition, have to be universally applied.
The laws have to apply to all of us, or they aren't laws, right?
Absolutely.
I absolutely agree with that.
I'm not sitting on the fence.
I'm not one of these people who...
I want to sit on the fence and I want to be a moral purist, but I do understand that what's going on right now creates a vicious cycle of violence that has no possible way of ever ending this conflict.
It perpetuates it.
It's deliberately designed to perpetuate it.
People have to understand, if this...
Conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.
If this was not going on, think about how much more difficult it would be for the United States to justify its involvement in the wider Middle East and even North Africa.
They always used their support for Israel before that, also Saudi Arabia.
They always used that as a pretext to remain involved in the region.
And remember Kuwait also vis-a-vis Iraq.
Well, right, yeah.
Back in the 1990s, it was a humanitarian mission to liberate the people of Iraq from their leaders.
Well, the people of Iraq did not want to be liberated from them, right?
And ask the people of Libya the same question, right?
But, you know, Hillary Clinton came and saw and killed Qaddafi and bragged about it.
And that's been the U.S. policy going on generations now.
And I get the feeling that more and more people are waking up to this, despite the fact that some are bamboozled by it.
But as we see with the BRICS nations and the currency wars and China selling off U.S. treasuries and de-dollarization and India and Russia trading in the rupee or trading with China in the yuan and so on, the world is actually ditching the U.S. the world is actually ditching the U.S. empire little by little, but steadily.
This is the rise of multipolarism.
Displacing US-led unipolarism.
And it's done exactly that way.
Because I often try to talk about solutions in our everyday life.
You know, become more self-sufficient.
Try to move away from these toxic corporations that hold these monopolies.
Try to spend your money somewhere else.
Well, the multipolar world is doing that on a global scale.
They're creating entire alternatives to US-dominated financial systems.
They're creating alternatives to what used to be Western monopolies, aircraft manufacturing, for example.
We see Russia, China, other nations beginning to build their own airliners, undermining the duopoly of Boeing and Airbus.
And we see this actually across many, many industries.
And it is.
It's creating more alternatives, which is always better.
And when you have more alternatives, more companies, more countries involved in this, We'll never have a perfect system.
There is no perfect system for the world to live under.
The best we can do, the closest we can come to is a balance of power, where one nation, if they're tempted to bully another nation, there's the threat of this balance of power keeping them in check, keeping them in balance.
When the United States, at the end of World War II or at the end of the Cold War, It was unchecked power which led to unchecked abuse.
To explain it, that's what multipolarism is.
It's not communism.
It's not whatever the Russian political or economic system is.
It is a balance of power.
And they say this specifically.
Each nation has a right to determine how they run their own affairs.
It should be non-interference.
We should recognize the primacy of national sovereignty.
And we can no longer allow any one nation, not Russia, not China, not the United States, not the European Union, no nation should have the final say on what the rest of the world does.
Yeah, no nation should be able to put economic sanctions on 80% of the other nations around the world also, which is what the U.S. is famous for doing.
Interesting.
We're going to make your money not function while we print more of our money that's counterfeit currency, but we want you to keep buying our money so that we can keep printing our money.
How long is that scheme going to stand up?
It's not.
It's not.
Look at the 10-year treasuries right now, headed sky high.
Fewer people want U.S. debt.
Yes, and the reason it worked for so long was because The difficulties of creating alternatives.
But now, again, with multipolarism, with BRICS, with just the rise of China, the reemergence of Russia, we see all of these alternatives emerging.
So when a nation that's on the fence or caught in the middle because they're smaller, they don't have the power or leverage, just outright stand up against, say, the United States...
When they see these alternatives, when they saw the United States and Europe put these sanctions on Russia, they thought, what if they did that to me?
How would we survive?
We wouldn't.
So now they're investing in these alternatives because they understand how dangerous in the long term this U.S.-led unipolar order is and how the goal of it is not to create a world of peace and stability overseen by the U.S., It's to utterly subjugate everyone else under the U.S. When I say the U.S., I'm talking about the corporate interests that drive current U.S. foreign and domestic policy.
In the few minutes we have left here, Brian, and I want to thank you for taking so much time with us, but I want to recognize Gonzalo Lira and ask for your thoughts on His current plight, he's a prisoner in Ukraine.
I would argue a political prisoner for speech crimes.
And the U.S. State Department does not appear to be doing anything that I'm aware of.
What can you tell us?
Do you know anything more?
Well, first of all, thank you for bringing up this issue.
And it's important to remember, whatever you think about Gonzalo Lira personally, if it can happen to him, it can happen to any one of us next.
And I I know, Mike, yourself, and I know myself, I'm always worried about being the next one that gets rounded up or censored online.
So when it happens to any of us, we all have to stand up because it could be any one of us next.
So Gonzalo Lira, he had been living in Ukraine for quite a few years.
He had a wife and he has children there.
I don't know what his relationship was at that point, but he was there for his kids, to go visit his kids.
And people said, why did he stay there?
I think people don't understand how hard it is to just pick up and move to another country.
It's very difficult to do.
It's not something you just decide and do overnight.
It's very difficult.
So he stayed there, and he probably shouldn't have.
He probably should have put effort into getting out of there.
He was outspoken against the Ukrainian governments, the Ukrainian military.
And he said things that were just factual, absolutely factual.
The SBU, Ukrainian Internal Security, arrested him.
He was under a form of, say, house arrest, but he couldn't leave Kharkov, basically, the city he was living in.
And then they rounded him up again and put him in prison.
And he attempted to escape again.
People are like, why did he just do this or that?
Walk a mile in his shoes and then come back and tell me how easy it would have been to just escape from Kharkov.
It's a lot harder than people think.
And they caught him again and I presume they put him on some trial in some kangaroo court and they sentenced him to prison.
He's probably in prison.
And he absolutely is a political prisoner.
If you look at the statements from the Ukrainian government themselves about what his crime was, it was for Acknowledging that there's Nazis in the Ukrainian government and military, which is 100% true, and talking about Ukraine shelling the civilian population of Donbass, which, again, is 100% factual.
So they threw him in jail for talking about facts they didn't like people reminding other people of.
That's why he was...
I hear people always say, Gonzalo Lear was an SBU agent.
That is absolute nonsense.
Some of the people promoting this myth, this conspiracy theory, they themselves know it's not true.
And they're just saying they were having a personal dispute with Gonzalo.
Yeah, yeah.
And I want to be clear.
Look, I don't agree with Gonzalo and everything he said, and we don't have to.
And that's okay.
But the principle of this is that you shouldn't be arrested for your speech.
He was not a militant, you know, taking a rifle to the government and trying to assassinate government officials.
He was a YouTube guy.
Speaking on YouTube...
Often in a casual way, often on other topics, sometimes entertainment topics.
And you would think that the U.S. State Department would work harder to bring him back, given that he is a dual citizen of the United States and Chile, I believe.
Yes.
Whereas the U.S. worked very hard to get that women's NBA basketball player out of a prison in Russia, perhaps because she's the right color, because she supports Biden.
I don't know.
But Gonzalo Lira is being left to rot, and I want to make sure that his name continues to be heard.
Do not let Gonzalo be forgotten, for all the reasons you mentioned, Brian.
Well, and again, Mike, what you said before about how what is politically convenient to They will fight for somebody's freedom.
Even if they are actually just a straight-up criminal, they will still do it, and they will depict the government, their adversary, as violating human rights.
But then, because Gonzalo Lira's views were an obstruction to U.S. foreign policy objectives, they're letting him rot.
It really is a simple statement.
And that's why they don't care.
And again, I care about Gonzalo Lira because this shouldn't happen to anyone, and also because it could be any one of us next.
So even if you don't like Gonzalo Lira, it could be something you like next.
That's why we always have to say, like you said, Mike, it's all about principles.
It's all about principles.
We don't have principles.
What do we have?
Well, and to kind of wrap this up, let me put an end cap on that, which is that Whoever you are watching this, whatever your ethnicity, your skin color, your religion, one day there could be a radicalized group of people that look the same as you or believe the same as you who carry out some heinous crime, I don't know, attacking a Jewish synagogue or something like that.
Suddenly you are demonized as an entire group.
Suddenly, you are threatened, you are maybe shot at, suddenly your home is maybe burned down, and you are ostracized from society due to no fault of your own.
If we tolerate this kind of collective punishment of people based on their ethnicity, then sooner or later that punishment will come around to you too.
And that's why we must stand against this and say that these principles matter and that civilians should not be targeted or murdered no matter what some extremist group did.
I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Remember the war on terror.
It was Muslims' turn.
And now the conflict in Ukraine.
Russians, or anyone who even appears to be Russian, vaguely Russian, they're the targets.
When the U.S. begins provoking China, and it already has kind of started, anyone who's even Asian, it doesn't even matter.
Most Americans can't tell the difference between Taiwan and Thailand.
They will be the target.
Most Americans think that's the same country, Brian.
Right, because I lived in Taiwan, you live in Thailand, and I can't make any sense of the Thai language at all, but I do speak Mandarin Chinese, so they're completely different.
I'm sure people ask you, how are things in Thailand?
And I know people have asked me, how are things in Taiwan?
Yes, all the time.
That's funny that we share that common experience.
But if you don't mind, let me know if you have to go right away, but I want to add to what you said.
I was astonished when Russia launched its special military operation.
You know, late February of 22.
And then immediately we saw Russian race car drivers banned at NASCAR. Russian tennis players banned from competition.
Russian artists banned from displaying art galleries.
And I'm thinking, has the world lost its mind?
A Russian artist, what do you think?
They're going to paint artillery shells that can be fired?
I mean, how does this make any sense to ban Russian people from Russian ethnicity people who don't even live in Russia, not part of the military, just carrying out their lives doing whatever they do.
It made no sense to me, and it was really scary to realize that this is the world we live in of such instant racism against any targeted group.
Yes, and think about it.
It makes no sense from a principled point of view, and it's categorically wrong.
But in the minds of the people creating these policies, they know that they cannot rationally explain why they're supporting Ukraine in a proxy war against Russia, but they know how powerful hatred is.
They did it during the war on terror.
Now they're doing it again toward Russians.
But it only works if you're able to dehumanize the entire group of people.
If you can boil it down to this simple, emotional, almost reptilian reaction, that's the only way you can get large amounts of people On board to care and to support or at least tolerate this policy.
And again, it's going to be China next if it already isn't beginning.
And we have to do everything we can to raise awareness because, first of all, I don't think Russia is even in the wrong.
Surely China is not in the wrong if it ends up fighting a war right off its coast against the United States who cross an entire ocean to pick that fight.
But it's also completely wrong to collectively punish people who don't even have anything to do with what's going on.
This is my criticism of Hamas, killing unarmed people, including laborers from other countries that were Thai people.
It's categorically wrong.
It's wrong.
It's insane.
Yes, and it's wrong when the West and its proxies do it.
It's always wrong.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Well, you are a man of principle, and that's one of the reasons why I really appreciate your work.
I want to remind people your channel name is The New Atlas, and you occasionally appear on, for example, with Alex Christophe Roux, The Duran, which is hard to find.
Every time I search for The Duran, it's Duran Duran.
The music group.
And I'm listening to, you know, Rio Rio again from the 1980s.
But your channel is easy to find, the new Atlas.
Anything else you want to plug or mention before we wrap this up?
No, I just want to thank you again for having me on.
It's always an honor and a pleasure.
I really enjoyed this conversation, and I hope people in your audience get some sort of value out of it.
I'm sure that they will.
Absolutely they will.
Keep up the great work that you're doing, and you're welcome back here anytime.
And don't hang up when I wrap this up.
We still need to sync the files.
And I just want to thank you for doing what you do and having the courage to speak out against the false narratives of the establishment.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
All right, folks, that was Brian Berletek there from, of course, the new Atlas, like we said.
And be sure to check out his channel on YouTube, and you can subscribe there and like his videos.
It shouldn't be hard to find them.
And he does several each week and appears on other shows as well.
And we'll have him back whenever he wants to come back, especially as events unfold in both now the two theaters of war that the U.S. is involved in, if not having provoked in some way.
Thank you for watching.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.com, and I pray for peace.
It sounds almost like a cliché.
I want world peace, but I actually do.
I want humanity to live in peace and abundance and to engage in trade, not war.
And the truth is, every one of us who are living on this planet today could experience more abundance, less fear, less suffering, and more joy in our lives.
If we simply rejected these regimes, such as the U.S. Empire, that is provoking war so that they can gain power over all of us.
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