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Oct. 12, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today we have former law professor David Clements joining us to talk about elections and the cheating that's been going on and also what is the pathway to victory for real America, whatever that looks like in your view.
But we'll ask Professor Clements here, or former law professor, I should say.
Welcome to the show.
It's great to have you on today.
Thank you for having me.
Well, absolutely.
May I just call you David for the interview?
Is that okay?
Absolutely.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
So here we are a little over a year away from the next big election, and the Biden administration is as unpopular as ever.
I mean, their popularity is disastrous at this point.
Trump is the obvious nominee on the GOP side, and RFK Jr.
is about to announce his run as an independent, reportedly.
How do you think things are actually shaping up in the field for this election?
Well, I take a different approach than most.
I think we give too much weight to the traditional forms of I think it was a legitimate exercise to ask whether or not an independent would cut into Biden's votes or Republicans' votes.
It's very reminiscent of Ross Perot in the 90s.
But I think we're dealing with something that's way, way more subversive than RFK entering as an independent, and that's the machine architecture that we use in elections.
And if we don't solve that problem, You're going to have another issue in 2024.
And I liken this to what happened in 2016.
If you recall, Gary Johnson was an independent libertarian.
He really had no discernible impact on Trump's fortunes.
And most people were, you know, polling that Hillary Clinton was going to dominate.
And so we've got history where sometimes I think we read too much into the pull of an independent.
I know that there's certain people, including RFK himself, that says I would hurt Trump voters, or I would hurt Trump more than Biden.
But I don't know if I believe that, because I think if people get up to speed on all of RFK's positions, you'll find out that he's not something that I think most conservatives can get behind.
I think what they like about him is his courage on the jab and informed consent.
But outside of medical tyranny, if you actually follow RFK's positions on climate change and the Green New Deal, he's as far left as anyone.
So I think right now there's a level of comfort with RFK because he has not been scrutinized by the conservative base.
And I think when Republicans and MAGA and Trump followers really do their homework, they're going to find out that this is not someone that I really, really want to get behind.
So I think in my own humble opinion that he's going to pull more from Biden voters the more that we educate ourselves.
But make no mistake, the real deciding factor in whether Trump is elected in 2024 is whether we improve the train on these machines, these tabulators that are defective and the integrated software that we use.
We're seeing signs of inflated voter rolls, overriding of election results.
And we have to solve that problem first.
How is it possible that we live in a country where we have serial numbers on our dollar bills and we don't have serialized ballots?
I mean, it's insane to me that the idea that they can take a stack of ballots, legitimate or otherwise, and we saw in Arizona there were ten different types of paper apparently used, and only one type is officially legally allowed.
So obviously somebody's just printing ballots somewhere.
And they can just take a stack of ballots, run it through a machine, take the same stack, run it through again.
And then that counts twice.
How is that?
How are we still in this?
I don't even get it.
I mean, your thoughts.
Yeah, well, I think you've hit it on the head.
We're not losing elections because, you know, we don't even follow the laws that are on the books.
And that's really what you just pointed out, is that in Maricopa in particular, there's a specific paper provider.
It's a Roland company.
I believe they're out of Canada.
And the only ballot paper that's been approved is from this company.
And you're looking at 80 weight, like 80 or 100 pound paper.
So it's close to cardstock.
And after an audit, they found out that most of the paper that was used came from Kinko's or Staples or OfficeMax.
And so you're looking at counterfeit ballots.
You can tell people that, hey, I handed them this piece of paper and it really is their vote, but I have to take your word for it.
All I can tell you is that you've got requirements under the law in Arizona and they weren't followed.
And yet you've got a race that was decided by less than 20,000 votes and you had hundreds and hundreds of thousands of ballots that were not printed on the appropriate paper.
And more importantly, the appropriate paper from the Roland Company has a tag.
It's basically there's an infrared mark that the Dominion tabulators are supposed to be able to detect.
Well, they found out after a citizen's audit that that detector was turned off.
So you've also got deficiencies on following the law, even using flawed machines.
And there are all kinds of laws that have not been followed that we don't talk about.
There's mostly our federal laws.
There's the Help America Vote Act.
We don't follow it.
You got the Voter Registration Act.
We don't follow it.
And you also have FSMA requirements, which attach to elections ever since Obama designated elections as part of the critical infrastructure.
So there is testing that is supposed to have been done since 2017 that has not been done.
So what I'm telling you is that chalk up the election system anyway, which way you want.
None of the equipment that we use So what you're saying, if I could paraphrase some of that for the audience, it sounds like almost the real votes don't matter because there are teams of vote riggers,
let's say, who work for the Democrat establishment that run around the country, altering machines or stuffing ballots or counterfeiting ballots, whatever it takes.
And as we all remember from the 2020 election, they paused the election for three days so they could just print up the votes they needed, print up the ballots they needed, not votes, but ballots until they got the numbers that they wanted in order to steal the election.
But is that accurate to say there are teams that run around this country making sure the machines don't accurately record the will of the voters?
I think you're right.
I think what I find that I struggle with when I talk with other conservative people is that they still seem to think that Democrats are winning by embracing legal methods, maybe methods you don't like, like ballot harvesting.
There are some states where ballot harvesting is perfectly legal, like California.
And what I tell people is that we're not losing...
To Democrats, by virtue of failing to have the right amount of shoe leather or grassroots activity on the legal aspects of ballot harvesting, that's not how the Democrats are winning.
They are embracing wholesale illegality.
So examples that we pointed to was the truck driver that drove over 200,000 pre-filled ballots from Bethpage, New York to Pennsylvania across state lines.
That's right.
That's harvesting.
That's not someone going around legally to a nursing home or a university campus and picking up 10 or 12 ballots.
These people have the metrics and know exactly how to win by basically exploiting an environment that welcomes exploitation.
And then you just mentioned the fake ballots that are being processed by the hundreds of thousands.
You know, in Maricopa County, there was a four or five month legal dispute before the ballots were produced.
And there's really no guarantee to this day that the ballots that were produced were the ones that were actually processed on Election Day because all of the seals were broken.
There was no chain of custody that was intact.
That's a critical point.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but we were always promised when the voting machines were rolled out.
We were promised that, oh, don't worry.
You're going to have the physical ballots over here safely kept and archived for a number of years so that they can always – you can always go back and look at those if there's any shenanigans that you suspect.
But in reality, the corrupt courts have not allowed access to look at the ballots almost anywhere – In fact, I think Maricopa County is perhaps the only one or one of few in the country where the ballots have been looked at.
Is that right?
Well, there's others.
We did audits in eight counties in New Mexico where we actually scanned every single ballot physically, and we found different problems there.
So I can't say that we had an issue on The stock of paper, because not every state has the same requirements as Arizona did on using that Roland paper company.
But what I can tell you is that the tabulators present other problems.
We found out that the tabulators have the ability to fill out empty ovals.
And so a lot of people will submit their ballot through.
It takes a scan.
And sometimes the ballot's rejected, as we've seen.
And then on the second or third try, it accepts it.
Well, we found examples of ballots where There were ovals that were filled out by hand, and empty ovals were filled out by the machine on the same ballot.
We found example after example.
So there are ways to subvert even the properly gathered and submitted real paper ballots.
You can subvert them.
And one of the ways that you can really rain on Conservative Inc.'s ballot harvesting parade is, let's say that you harvest 10,000 ballots in a place that allows you to do it.
And you've got a way of subverting the scanning software on these tabulators.
You can add an extra vote, even though you voted for Trump, for instance, and fill out that oval for Joe Biden.
And what you've done is you've created an overvote.
And so you've effectively canceled Trump voters.
I'm not saying that they would do that on 10,000, but you can basically get a metric in place where maybe one every 20th ballot you do that, and the percentages start to rise.
So we've seen phenomena of that in places that we've audited.
And then this is, I think, the biggest issue that people are missing out on.
Just like the Federal Reserve is said to print money out of thin air, We know that they're doing that digitally.
They're not actually creating a physical paper trail of the cash that is actually reflective of the digital printing press.
And I think the same thing's happening in the election space.
I think you can digitally create fake phantom ballots within the system.
That doesn't mean that you're necessarily going to have a paper trail.
And this really gets to your point, which is if you demand all the paper ballots, usually you have to jump through a bunch of hoops.
And it's months.
And by the time you get ballots, you really don't know what you've gotten because the train of custody, especially with mail-in ballots, has been obliterated.
That's extraordinary.
I mean, what you're saying is extraordinary.
We don't have, obviously, a functioning election system in America.
And a guest that I interviewed earlier this week told me that the real...
Support level for Joe Biden right now in real polling is 9.5%, not even in the 30s.
And so his question was, can the Democrats cheat enough to overcome that kind of deficit?
And based on what you're saying, it doesn't matter what level of support.
Joe Biden could have 1% support and they could cheat enough.
You know, the other 50% that they need.
I mean, it's unlimited cheating is the potential.
Yeah, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but I think there was a level of, surely they can't be that shameless.
And we've come to find out over the past three years, oh yeah, they can exactly be that shameless about real polling.
They're relying on these machines as if their life's dependent on it.
And so it's a sad reality, but I think the victories that we're experiencing now, even though they may not feel like victories, is you're seeing a mass awakening.
So there were strategies deployed by election integrity advocates in Carrie Lake's race.
You know, they're saying, hold on to your paper ballot, vote on election day in person and Right.
would show up by the thousands saying, I was told that I already voted.
Right.
And they were forced to basically reconfigure their machines to reject Republican ballots in Republican precincts.
That was the way that they won.
But fraud was on full display for the world.
So what happened was the cracks became so visible that even people like Joe Rogan, Russell Brand, people that are certainly not on the conservative side of politics are saying out loud, there's rampant fraud.
The election was stolen.
That's a victory.
We have to expose the corruption first and have people believe that there's corruption before you can improve the foundation.
Well, exactly.
And my next question to you is about the election integrity laws that have been enacted since 2020.
But let me give out your website first.
It's theprofessorsrecord.com.
Folks, if you want to check out David Clement's website here, theprofessorsrecord.com.
You can see Let My People Go, the documentary, other interviews, War Room, and so on.
So check it all out there.
That website, very valuable, a lot of links to a lot of resources.
So David, back to my question.
Haven't 20-plus states passed election integrity laws of some kind?
What do you think the implication is going to be?
Will it matter in 2024?
No, because...
Republicans didn't follow the laws that were on the books in 2020.
I mean, the reality is that COVID was used as a pretext for people to deviate away from well-established laws.
And so every state constitution sets forth a time, place, and manner of election.
And that role belongs exclusively with the legislature.
Well, the legislature didn't run your elections.
The Department of Health did.
The governor did through executive order.
So every state had held, in my legal opinion, unconstitutional elections because they did not follow any statutes on the books because there weren't statutes on the books.
So what we're finding is that if you don't have laws that are favorable to transparency, create an emergency, you know, a variant of COVID. And scare everyone through a massive psyop to where they're more scared of dying, and they're not thinking straight about how to vote.
So if they did that in 2020, I'm sure they'll try to scare us with the next variant.
There's already been efforts on trying to get us back on wearing masks and things of that nature.
But I think we're wiser to it, and I don't think it will be as effective.
Well, when you say that it won't be as effective, I guess the question is, in your view, what's the margin of cheating that Republicans have to overcome?
Right?
Okay, so the margin of cheating, I don't buy into that premise.
I don't even buy into victory equating with Trump's victory in 2024.
I think there's a way to have so many cracks and have the system implode that we are left with Trump, and I would be happy for that.
But the problem is it only gives us a four-year lease on sanity.
And I've got three young children, and I owe them something that's stable.
I owe them a vote that matters for their generation and the next generation to come.
And so I think what we've got to do is start buying into the propaganda talking points from the right, which is, guys, we're never going to get rid of the machines.
Well, it's self-fulfilling prophecy.
And if you're not going to get rid of the machines, you're never going to have real accurate elections.
It's that simple.
The other thing is, is we talk about ballot harvesting operations like that's year round.
It's not.
There's about a month before each election where you can actually collect ballots legally.
So that leaves 10 more months to improve the terrain.
So why aren't people going to local meetings at the county level saying, We insist that we don't use this tabulator.
We don't use this e-poll book.
Look at the law and see how we can improve the terrain to make sure that our elections look more like they did for the better part of 150 years where you had things being controlled more at the local and precinct level.
Now you're talking.
Now you can actually work in tandem with a ballot harvesting operation, but do so wisely.
And so one of the recommendations that I tell people is get rid of the electronic poll books.
These are network hooked to the Internet.
And they give mules all of the metrics ahead of time on what they need to stuff ballot boxes.
Well, just a few years ago, we weren't using electronic poll books.
We were using paper poll books.
Closed systems, you show up to a precinct, you sign out your name, you get a paper ballot.
And what's great about that is it provides blinders for any bad actor to go out and model what they need to get ahead of time and on election day.
So if you're serious about ballot harvesting, stop giving ballots.
The enemy, all kinds of weapons where they can beat us.
I'm not interested in that.
So we have to go low-tech.
Low-tech is the answer here, is what it sounds like you're saying.
Is there any county in America that has eliminated the machines?
There have been many victories, but it's like anything.
You're dealing with a pendulum of, we do something, we get a victory, and the enemy fights back.
So I'll give you a couple examples.
Shasta County, California.
Voted to defund the use of Dominion machines in California.
So in Commie, California, there's a county.
Now, they're fighting for their life.
In fact, Gavin Newsom just passed a law that has mandated that hand counting is going to be outlawed.
So the question is, what's going to be a response to that?
But that was a victory.
And I think that we, the people, can show up at local meetings saying, still, we're not going to use these machines because they're defective products.
They facilitate fraud.
And I don't care what your election code says at that point.
If If fraud enters the situation, your code is worthless.
And so there needs to be a pushback to that.
In other places like Alaska, we saw in the borough of Wasilla, 15 precincts that aren't using Dominion.
Clevenger County, Arkansas, not only got rid of Dominion, a court upheld their decision to not use Dominion.
The city of Milton in Georgia, within Fulton County, which is super corrupt, the city decided to do a municipal election without using Dominion.
ES&S machines were ruled against in Nevada, in Esmeralda, Nye counties.
And even in my home state, Otero County, we secured a vote to get rid of Dominion drop boxes.
And the opposing side was so scared about the prospects of this taking root that Coy Griffin, a very courageous commissioner, was removed by a far-left judge.
And his case is pending before the United States Supreme Court.
So there are victories, and the common thread for where we're experiencing victory has everything to do with courage.
People standing up and saying, you know something?
We're going to be threatened.
We're going to be threatened with jail time.
But you have to see these black boxes as slave masters.
And once you see them as that, you know, getting arrested, getting removed from office is a badge of courage.
We need 3,000 clerks across the country willing to say, no, you can't make me certify these black boxes given what I know about them.
They are defective at best and facilitators of fraud too.
at worst.
But that's a critical point in all of this is that on the Democrat side, so many of them are absolutely willing to go along with fraud because they've adopted this attitude now that it's justifiable to win at any cost.
But what's fascinating is that right now they are starting to deal with the consequences of their cheating.
For example, New York City being overrun by illegals.
And Mayor Eric Adams saying that the city will be destroyed by illegal immigration.
Governor Hochul out of New York saying essentially the same thing.
We've got to stop the illegal immigration.
Mallorcas now, just in the last couple of days, suddenly panicked.
Oh, we have to build a wall.
I mean, suddenly it sounds like Trump.
So, is it possible that many of those who went along with the cheating in 2020 because they hated Trump and they thought that things would get better if the cheaters were in charge, is it possible that now they're living in the cesspool of the ramifications of their cheating and they may have a change of heart?
Oh, I see it every day.
I mean, when you look at the Rasmussen polls, over 80% of the Republican Party wholesale believes their elections are rigged.
Independents, 64%.
And Democrats, the number is now approaching 50%.
So that number has grown.
And I think people are more willing to believe in election fraud the more that they witness the blunders of the Biden administration.
They cannot believe that this person is the leader of the free world.
But what it shows you is that roughly 70% of all voters believe that our election is rigged.
So I think there's some hard fought victories that are being born of pain and discomfort where people are realizing, oh crap, maybe Trump wasn't that bad.
I never thought that these issues would fall on my own doorstep and yet here we are.
So I think you've got people that are much more receptive to Trump.
Case in point, the African American community after the weaponization of the DOJ against Trump and all of these cases, His polls are surging.
And so he is able as a billionaire to identify with the hip hop community and rappers and artists and people saying, look, I know what it feels like to have the man come after me.
Trump's one of us.
Can you imagine that?
And so he's breaking through barriers that we've never seen before.
And he's completely rejuvenated the base.
So I think there is a I don't plan for this.
I don't plan for chaos because you can't plan in chaos.
But I think you can have a system that is so broken.
And people that are so absolutely fed up that all of the metrics that you have in place, all the machinery that you have in place, all the bail-in harvesting will still not get your guy through.
I think that's a possibility, but I don't want to feed that as a prescription because then it breeds passivity.
I want people to treat the next calendar year like, pull your hair on fire, do everything you can to improve the terrain, and maybe we'll get the right guy.
Yeah, exactly.
Well said.
We were told by the media repeatedly that these voting machines were never connected to Ethernet or the Internet, that they're standalone machines.
And I haven't tracked this issue that closely, certainly not as much as you have over the years.
But hasn't it now been proven again and again that many, many voting machines actually are connected?
Yeah.
The way that they're trying to skirt the law is that the law will designate voting technology.
And what they're talking about is the tabulator.
But there's other machines that work under the quote-unquote non-voting technology.
So those e-poll books...
Even though you can do massive damage with elections, aren't considered non-voting technology.
But under your election code, any state that has a voting convenience center, those machines have to be hooked up to the internet by law.
The election management system, which is just a fancy name for a computer in the clerk's office, is networked, meaning it has to be hooked to the internet by law.
Those are machines that we use.
They're hackable.
You can subvert them.
And even the tabulators where we've been told are closed systems, we found ES&S and Dominion to have lied time and time again.
There's, you know, well-known videos of John Palos testifying before the Michigan legislature talking about how it's impossible.
And he's undermined every step of the way by former Vice President Eric Coomer, who has been captured at vendor conferences touting how versatile the machines are to be configured with a chipset To be attached to the Verizon network, T-Mobile, you name it.
And then you have other entities like ES&S who say the same things.
Well, we found out that there are over 30,000 DS200 units that have chip modems affixed to motherboards in their machines, and they're still in circulation to date.
So even when they say that, we show them the receipts.
I mean, we know auditors that actually inspected the machines in Antrim, Michigan, and we found a Talit chip on one of the motherboards right there.
And if you have access to that motherboard, you can access the software and do all kinds of things.
So not only are these people lying, they're lying with impunity.
And even if they were right that the tabulator somehow wasn't hooked to the internet, there's so many different ways to subvert the system because everything else touches the internet.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, the CIA and the NSA are both extremely capable.
I mean, come on.
They, with the help of Mossad, wrote Stuxnet to deal with the centrifuges in Iran.
They can write cyber intrusion code that can work on any targeted system.
That's obvious.
They have the capabilities of doing that.
But whatever happened to...
I remember right after the election was stolen in 2020, and it was abundantly obvious to all of us that Joe Biden had no popularity.
Almost no one attended his rallies.
Trump, rock star.
Everybody couldn't wait to have a second term of Trump.
But right after that, then...
There was a lot of talk by a lot of people in alternative media, for example, Mike Lindell and so on, that had a lot of claims that these things were going to come out.
It's all going to be proven.
It's all going to be overturned.
The Supreme Court was going to overturn it once they saw this evidence.
And it seems like, well, at least some of that evidence is true, but nobody cared.
It was like, facts don't matter.
Whatever happened to a lot of those promises we heard?
Yeah, well, I can't speak for everyone.
I can tell you this is that the evidence has been released.
I think people's frustration is that it hasn't been submitted in courts that will actually look at it.
So, you know, one of the entities that has kept the narrative that there is no evidence is the 65 project.
And it's all based on the 65 and 0 record where cases that were related to 2020 were dismissed.
And how dare anyone file it?
Well, that's a misreading of actually what laws we have on the books.
There was over 90 lawsuits filed by the RNC, Trump, and the GOP. And out of 90, there's only 30 that were set for merits hearings.
And out of the 30, guess what?
The GOP, RNC, and Trump won 22.
They won the majority of the ones that actually went on the merits.
But they only addressed merits hearings on basically the low-hanging fruit.
They weren't going to touch a case that dealt with election outcome because they didn't want to take the heat and have something that happened in Portland or Kenosha or the Twin Cities.
So they punted.
There were really only two cases that were election outcome determinative that were set before a court.
And there was one before Judge Himatua, an Obama appointee in Arizona.
And there was another one before a Bush appointee in Nevada.
And they set those evidentiary hearings for one hour.
The length of lawsuits, you couldn't have read the complaints in one hour, let alone have real evidence presented.
Nonetheless, the propaganda media said, look, you had you had your chance.
There's no fraud here.
And they basically, the Associated Press, put those talking points in papers across the country and perception became reality.
But it's not the truth.
The fact of the matter is that there's massive amounts of evidence.
And to the extent that those promises were made, they were kept in the court of public opinion.
When I tell you that 70% of all voters don't trust our elections, that's because the evidence has gotten to people through social media efforts of patriots, people that have become journalists, emerging networks that are outside of Fox and CNN. And so we've not only carried the date in the court of public opinion, we dominate that court.
But don't conflate losing with this idea that just because a judge with a black robe hasn't said it out loud yet, that somehow We're not changing hearts and minds.
We are.
But you have to expose the culture and create a pressure cooker for a very, very captured judiciary before you see change with those people in the black robes.
And I think we're on the cusp of that because right now you're seeing across the country a series of kind of emperors has no clothes moments where our feckless politicians are starting to see, oh, man, I am not invincible.
I mean, take Kevin McCarthy, for instance, Speaker of the House, first time in history.
Is no longer speaker because he did not keep his word.
And there's been tremendous pressure from the grassroots getting behind people like Matt Gaetz on disclosure of the J6 tapes, the issue of elections.
And so we're starting to see victories and the best shots at the deep stake and throw at Trump results in polling that increases for him time and time again.
So we're winning, but we just have to wait for that breakthrough in a court of law.
Well, that's an interesting point about this breakthrough.
But it reminds me, let me ask you this.
It seems that if...
If the Democrat establishment were confident that they could rig this next election, they wouldn't bother criminalizing Trump's speech and trying to have him arrested and thrown in jail.
And in a sense, that is also backfiring on them.
Like you mentioned earlier, it's made Trump more popular among many black Americans, for example, or inner city voters.
But it's almost an admission that the Democrats are really scared that they can't pull off the election rigging this time.
And also, we're seeing a similar thing with RFK Jr., where the DNC absolutely will not allow any debates between Biden and RFK, for obvious reasons.
And they've shut out RFK Jr.
from the nomination process to the point where RFK is leaving the party.
So It seems to me that there's some confidence that they can achieve some level of cheating, but not certainty.
Is that fair?
I think they're losing their minds.
I think we're witnessing meltdowns by the day.
I mean, we've got so many election supervisors across the country that are quitting because the truth is just that powerful.
They know that they're on the cusp of being around the corner of probably the greatest exposure campaign of fraud because now people know what to look for and they know how to look for it real time.
And we're able to confront people because now we've developed...
We've developed Truth.
We've developed Rumble.
There's places to go now that we didn't have right out the gate in 2020.
I think one of the problems with Fighting Back was that we were all on Facebook and YouTube and Twitter, and within a blink of the eye, we were all removed.
That's not the case now.
So I think that it's been easier to get the truth out.
Stuff that we covered two years ago is now surviving on Twitter, even though there's still lots of challenges there.
So I think they are desperate.
But I think you're seeing that reflected really most recently with the motion to vacate Kevin McCarthy.
I think you're seeing that election integrity is the number one issue.
I think the border is certainly up there.
But if you don't get President Trump back in, you're not going to solve the border, which hinges on elections.
And the other issue that I'm very passionate about is that of the J6 prisoners.
The American people are really seeing that.
A two-tier justice system.
And their only way that they're going to have any justice going forward is if they have a president that's willing to pardon them and have all the candidates out there.
There's only been one person that said out loud outside of the Fed informants that Trump would uniformly pardon the J6ers.
That's amazing.
So much is hanging on The balance of one man's fate.
And I don't think you're going to stop.
I think Providence is at work right now.
And I just feel the momentum in a way that, even though I'm wary and I've been doing this for a long time, I just don't feel like you can stop the truth.
And when you've got nothing left but a cage to threaten your opponents with, you've lost.
So hopefully we the people will stand together in solidarity and minimize the fallout.
But they have more than that to threaten us with.
I agree with everything you said, but in their Rolodex of options, there are other false flag type of events.
For example, they can they could nuke a city in the United States using Russian derived nuclear material and blame Russia and use that to start World War Three.
And just like Zelensky in Ukraine canceled elections because of the war and also canceled all alternative media.
There's no independent press in Ukraine.
Exactly the same thing could happen in America.
Just from one nuke.
And then they could say, well, if you oppose the current president, then you're with the enemy, and we're going to have you arrested and shut down.
And people are being arrested in the UK, in Germany.
People are being arrested in Germany.
An elderly woman was arrested for criticizing migrants.
In the UK, a podcaster, a conservative podcaster, was arrested by – visited by police, arrested, taken in, spent a night in jail because he was talking about the Canadian parliament honoring a Nazi from the Waffen-SS.
So, you know, they still have a lot of weapons in their little bag of tricks.
They do.
And I think – but the issue has always been with nukes.
It's a zero-sum game.
So they have to balance their rage with their greed to acquire resources.
And when you devastate the landscape, you're basically destroying resources that you're trying to steal from the American people that you can normally do through legislation and insider trading.
So there's some natural checks there.
And if you're going to resort to some type of apocalyptic event, you basically concede a defeat.
You've lost control.
And I think that would be exactly the type of encounter where the people would sit there going, all right, we're in a state of lawlessness.
Where do we string up the politicians?
So I think there's some calculations that they have to make that doesn't make that a very attractive option.
I think they're going to continue to squeeze people, isolate them.
I think the best indicator for what we're in right now is history.
And you look at the Gulag Archipelago from Solzhenitsyn, you see all the different types of arrests and isolation and assassination of character.
And we're certainly in that phase right now.
If you Google my name, it's been absolutely slandered and ruined.
And I'm a laughingstock in any of the old environments that I've encountered, but you just have to make peace with it, that the truth is more important.
Trump is derided wherever he goes.
And so I think where we're truly at, this is very much akin to the founding era, where people forget that we were once We petitioned a tyrant king through the olive branch petition, and he uniformly spat on the collective natural rights of his subjects.
And they collectively said no, even though they were outgunned and outmanned.
And right now, we feel collectively, every case that you brought up, we're being told no.
No.
Well, what's left?
At some point, our God-given birthright of God Being created in God's image is going to have to step up.
And as long as we're standing on righteous, just war grounds, I think we can respond accordingly.
And by respond, I'm not talking about violence.
I think a lot of people conflate violence with force.
Police officers are trained on use of force all the time.
Force is the appropriate response to unlawful tyranny.
And I think when people realize that we are watching a shred of elections, that fraud is being perpetrated from us, that even the elections are subverting issues like taxation and bond amendments, we're being extorted and a lot of us don't even know it.
Once people realize that that's not okay, you've got license to remediate and take back those positions of trust.
And we might be there.
It might be, you know, another rebirth for our nation.
I think we're in that moment in time in history.
We all pray for peace.
None of us want to deal with the darkness of the subject.
But in order for me to operate, I'm a peaceful, God-fearing, loving person.
But I'm willing to die.
I'm willing to be arrested to make sure that we treat the election issue as an abolition movement.
Because if we don't truly have a voice, which is our most valuable property interest, we don't have anything.
It's worth suffering the consequences for.
And the sooner that everyone gets that message, the sooner this nightmare will be over.
Well stated.
It's like we're now suffering under an alternate dimension of the rigged elections dimension of America, alternate reality.
Under Biden, we're in a war.
Food inflation is off the charts.
We've got runaway violence in the cities.
Massive organized retail crime.
Shoplifting.
There's a CVS pharmacy in D.C. I just read about where 45 youth come in every day and steal everything off the shelves and stomp on bottles and soda cans and just strip it.
And they're going to close it down.
They're going to close down Retail operations all across this country because the policies of the Democrats are incompatible with sustainable society.
They're simply incompatible.
And so what you said, you know, really, really struck home with me, David.
And by the way, Victor Davis Hanson, I think, agrees with you on that point.
In a recent Tucker Carlson interview, he said that we are probably looking at a revolution in the next 12 to 18 months, which is interesting because that time window...
You know, brackets the election, depending on the outcome of the election.
And then we have the FBI now saying that they're launching a new monitoring of Trump supporters as right-wing extremists.
So, you know, weaponization of the FBI, weaponization of the DOJ, nullification of the judiciary.
It's all happening.
Capture of the media by the CIA and, of course, government collusion with big tech to censor the voices of those with whom they disagree.
All of this is happening.
But this is exactly what happens right before revolutions, isn't it?
This kind of thing.
It is, and it's really forced me to reexamine the Civil War.
There was abject lawlessness because we had people that were literally in chains.
And I'm not one to dispute the merits of constitutionality and secession, but I can tell you right now that slavery is wrong in any form, and I think that Lincoln had the high ground I think Lincoln knew it was bad, but he started doing something that was necessary.
One, he issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
A proclamation isn't really law.
You're proclaiming a vision for what you expect to happen in the future.
And so he had a vision of America without slavery.
And what many patriots have been doing over the past count of years, proclaiming that we are under a new form of bondage, even though we're still yoked, we still see these machines, we still see corrupt elections, but you have to proclaim the truth and improve the terrain.
The next thing that Lincoln did that is really, really important is about four months later, he issued a call for a national day of repentance.
And, you know, normally I don't get on the soapbox when it comes to religion, but if you check the history books, He basically knew that he had to get right as a nation with God.
And this comes right out of Chronicles, where people that, you know, God tells you exactly what his conditions are.
Turn back to me, repent, and I'll heal your land.
But for a land that has evicted him from schools, from universities, from courtrooms, we're under judgment.
And if you want to get away from God's judgment, he's not going to change his character, his conditions.
So I think it would be incumbent upon our leadership, and I don't think A usurper like Biden can call for a day of repentance.
But I think Trump, I think the Patriot members of the Congress that had been fighting for us would do well to research that proclamation that Lincoln put out four months after the Emancipation Proclamation.
Because after that happened, within a calendar year or thereabouts, you had the miracle vote that led to the 13th Amendment and we saw freedom.
I'm hoping that if Victor Hansen is tracking the timeline the same way that I am, that if we can meet God's conditions for healing on the land to forgive us as a nation, because we have broken covenant with him as a nation.
There are many great individual Christians.
I'm not talking about them, but as a nation, we have basically let the legal system Get rid of him and welcome every single demonic entity out there to inhabit, you know, the system that we're in.
That's right.
So we need help there.
And so I normally I would be uncomfortable sharing this with you, but I've examined the law and I've examined all kinds of things.
And I'm telling right now we are in need of a providential moving of the spirit to inform hearts and minds.
Because that's where courage is going to come from.
It's not going to come from a rational playbook or discussions.
It can come down from individuals counting the cost saying, what am I willing to lose to get my country back?
And if the answer isn't everything, you're not prepared to fight.
Well, let us hope that this moment of awakening and inspiration will be shared among the hearts and minds of a sufficient number of Americans to take back our constitutional republic.
I'm glad you said what you just shared with us.
I'm skeptical that this moment will come because I'm in the camp that believes God's wrath is already in the process of being unleashed against America.
With the child mutilations, the child trafficking funded by the United States government.
Alejandro Mayorkas is the world's worst human trafficker in history.
Directly funding the invasion camps in Panama, the staging areas to invade the United States.
Muckraker just released video of what looks like a CIA agent running human children through U.S. airports.
Our nation has turned so evil.
The evil has infested every level of our system through schools, media, tech.
The demonism and satanism has run amok, and they're trying to criminalize Christianity, and they've done so successfully in many European countries.
And in Canada, by the way, if you preach the Bible, you will be arrested and thrown in prison in Canada, the nation that honors Nazis, by the way.
So...
Or I should say the parliament, not the people of Canada, but the parliament that honors Nazis.
So we are deep in it.
We're in deep trouble.
I appreciate your sense of optimism, and I hope you're more correct on this than what I fear where we're headed.
Well, let me end you with just a positive note, if I could, because I appreciate you giving me the time to express these thoughts.
I normally don't get to do that on most shows.
I think believers or Christians strongly have an idea of, okay, we know where we're going when our number's called and we go to heaven.
And our chief task is to glorify the triune God, and that's the Holy Spirit, God the Father, God the Son.
And I think of how do we truly appreciate our God in eternity?
And there's something that happens sometimes.
You have to celebrate deliverance.
So when I look at the Old Testament, it's really a love letter to the Father.
And we've got stories of Old Testament delivery, whether it's the Red Sea, where we can proclaim into eternity.
Thank you, God, for deliverance there.
Then you have the New Testament, which is really a love story to Christ who created great deliverance from our sin and bondage at the cross.
But we're left with a cliffhanger.
He leaves us with something greater is coming.
The wonderful counselor, the Holy Spirit.
So, two heads of the Godhead, we have the ability to praise in eternity as believers, as Christians.
Right now, I think this is the big, big reveal for the Holy Spirit in our country, where millions of Spirit-filled believers will say, did you see what God did in your life during the greatest revival period of our nation?
So, I truly believe that we are on the cusp of deliverance, because that's going to allow us to actually I truly appreciate what God's doing in eternity.
That doesn't mean that we're going to outwork Revelation.
I think there's going to be dark periods down the road.
But my sense, my hope, is that we're going to experience a generational blessing where we can thank God for what He's doing right now.
And the only way that we can truly appreciate God for what He's doing is if we're thrown through the fire and we see how close we are to losing everything.
So that's the positive word.
I want to leave you with that.
But if I'm wrong and Jesus comes today, I'm good.
Well, yeah, me too.
I would welcome that.
But thank you, David, for your thoughts and essentially your blessings upon our nation and also your ability to navigate what's happening and perhaps give our viewers a pathway.
To taking their nation back from those who are attempting to destroy it.
So you are greatly appreciated.
And I want to give out your website again, theprofessorsrecord.com is the site.
And David, thank you so much for sharing time with us today.
Thank you for inviting me.
I really appreciate it.
Well, absolutely.
I greatly enjoyed it.
And we'll speak again.
Take care.
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