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May 9, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. interviewed by Mike Adams: Election integrity, free speech and more
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com, the free speech platform.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today I'm joined by a very special guest, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is, of course, running for president on the Democrat ticket, and I have previously called Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
an American hero for his work on Fauci and vaccines and the book and children's health defense and all of that.
He's done extraordinary things for America, and now he's stepping up.
To run for President of the United States.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Sir, welcome to the show.
It's an honor to have you on.
Thanks for having me back, Mike.
Well, it's great to have you here.
And as you probably know, my audience tends to run on the conservative side.
And yet every person I've spoken to about your candidacy has said they support you regardless of their party affiliation.
So my first question to you today is about that.
Are you getting a lot of support from people regardless of party affiliation?
Yeah, I'm getting an outpouring of support among independents, among Republicans, among conservatives, and also in the Democratic Party.
I mean, the polls that have come out, as you have seen, have been now at 20 or 21 percent.
Among Democrats who are likely to vote.
So that's, you know, that's strong.
And I'm actually, our in-house polling is showing us even stronger among Democrats, but really strong among independents and Republicans, which have not been publicly polled.
Yeah, that's fascinating because I think should you achieve the nomination on the Democrat ticket, you would, of course, already have the support of most Democrats just by party affiliation, and then you'd get a lot of crossover support from other parties based on your stance on issues that people care about.
I mean, I think that you can actually win this.
That's what I think.
Yeah.
The hardening thing to me, Mike, is how many people have said to me...
And sending me letters and notes and emails and tweets, et cetera, saying, I don't agree with everything you say, but, you know, I believe that you're going to protect free speech and that you're going to protect the essential values of this country.
And, you know, I'm willing to cross party lines for the first time in my life to vote for somebody that I trust to do that.
And that's You know, the idealism that still is kind of burning hot in the American press on the left, on the right, in the middle, is really inspiring to me.
Well, can I add that I think one of the reasons so many conservatives trust you and trust your judgment is because you were subjected to the kind of censorship and defamation and deplatforming that has traditionally now here targeted a lot of conservatives.
Just the fact that you have been dragged through that fiasco by a dishonest media and a dishonest government actually means that you understand, I think, what real Americans are going through.
Your comments?
Yeah, I mean, also, I mean, who's ever going through this is wrong.
I mean, even like when I, back in the 70s, most of the liberals I knew understood the support of the ACLU and its decisions to defend the rights of Nazis.
March in Skokie, Oklahoma, or Skokie, Illinois.
And even though they were appalled by the viewpoints that were being expressed by those people, they understood that it was important for every American to be willing to die for their right to say it.
And so, you know, it shouldn't matter to anybody, whether it's Republicans or Democrats or conservatives getting censored.
It's offensive to our Constitution.
It's offensive to our country.
And we have to rise above the top.
Tribalism that is absolutely tearing this country apart and find the things, the values that we share in common, which are basically a start with our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
Well, exactly, and that's why I am even describing you as the healing candidate, because you do tend to bring people together, you find that common ground, but also you don't compromise on the core values.
For example, you believe in freedom of speech, and along those lines, how infuriating is it for you that the Democrat establishment doesn't want you to participate in debates?
It's not very democratic.
And it's a time, and one of the points that I've made is we're living through a time when everybody is, from both parties, are worried about the integrity of our democratic process.
In 2001, most Democrats in this country Believed that the election was stolen by George Bush from Al Gore.
And even the New York Times reported that that was true.
In 2005, I wrote an award-winning article on Rolling Stone that showed how the manipulation of the vote through the voting machines in six Ohio counties had stolen the election from John Kerry.
And whether you believe that or not, I believe it and I wrote it and Democrats applauded it.
And in 2016, Hillary said that the election had been manipulated against her.
Bernie Sanders, his followers, believed that the election was manipulated against him.
We can't say it's off-limits to criticize the integrity of our electoral process.
We have to acknowledge there's problems with the electoral process, and the possibility that elections get stolen is out there.
People aren't crazy when they say that, and as you know, there's a large number of Americans who went to Capitol Hill and engaged in the January 6th demonstrations.
And, you know, with the violence and everything else, because they believe that our elections would be stolen.
And the response to that should not be, oh, you're unpatriotic, you're un-American for saying that elections can be stolen.
Elections can be manipulated in this country, and we need to fix that.
We all should just stop talking about whether this one was stolen or that one was stolen and say, how are we going to fix this?
There's a Las Vegas, Nevada...
is a city that was almost completely built on the capacity to build machines that can count and never make mistakes.
Yes, exactly.
And we have ATM machines on every corner and every city in our country that never give you more money than you asked for.
So we ought to be able to build a voting system that works and it should be a combination of machine counting systems But also we need paper ballots and you need paper ballots in every jurisdiction so that if there are questions, they can be hand counted and you can have those, you know, you can give that assurance that every American, whether you like the results of the election or not, you know, everybody knows that it's not being stolen.
Agreed, completely.
And yeah, Bernie Sanders was railroaded out of the picture.
And in a sense, I think that you are being railroaded by the DNC at the moment for not allowing debates, because I thought inclusivity was supposed to include candidates like yourself, who I think America wants to hear from.
Let me finish, because I was making a larger point there, which is, Whether you like it or not, whether you believe that elections can be sold or not, there's a large percentage of Americans who believe that they can.
And what the Democratic Party ought to be doing right now is showing the public that our election system is not rigged, that it's real democracy, that we're going to have real candidates that are out talking to people, engaging in debates, in town halls, conducting retail politics, and that it's not going to be fixed by getting rid of The primaries that you don't like.
It's not like a Soviet system where the party picks the official who's going to run.
And then everybody stands in line.
We shouldn't have that in this country.
We ought to actually have democracy within the Democratic Party where, you know, the people get to decide, not the party.
Well, I agree.
But let me ask you a couple of technical questions.
Shouldn't we also have serialized ballots?
Every ballot has a unique serial number, so it can only be counted once.
Or what do you think about nationwide voter ID, that idea?
You know, I need to look at both of those ideas.
I really don't know anything about the serialization of the ballot and whether that would then be, you know, identity protected, which is an important part of the electoral process, you know, to protect the identity.
And then I believe that there should be some solution to voter IDs, and we may have to go there.
I mean, classically, the Democratic Party has made the point That a lot of the poor people in this country don't have driver's license, particularly in urban areas, and it's more difficult for them to get IDs, and there's some places where, in Texas, for example, where the closest DMV is 75 miles away, and it's difficult for minorities to get into the DMV to get it if they don't drive.
Elderly, etc., It's biased against them.
But, you know, I think it's really important at this point in history that we have elections that everybody has faith in, and that may be one of the solutions that we have to figure out.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah, fair enough.
And by the way, I want to mention you have a popular podcast.
It's called the RFK Junior Podcast.
I've heard a couple of your interviews on there, by the way.
And I really appreciate the fact that you're doing this.
And people can find your podcast, what, on all the popular platforms, Apple and what, Spotify?
And where else can you find that podcast?
All of them.
All the platforms.
Okay.
Anything you want to mention about that podcast?
Oh, I appreciate the plug.
I have a really good interview up there right now with Colonel McGregor.
Yes, I was listening to that this morning, actually.
And I think it's very eye-opening about the Ukraine for people, and it's short...
And I think anybody who listens to it won't feel that they've wasted any time because it's very quick and there's a lot of information and very, very important information for Americans to understand.
Well, I agree and it gives me a really positive sense about your knowledge of the world when you conduct interviews like that and you are listening to Colonel McGregor about Ukraine, the history of Ukraine and the interaction with Russia right now.
See, the thing is, you are so informed on so many issues.
You know, health, health care, mercury in the environment, microplastics, pollution, pesticides, you know, GMOs, all of these issues that affect us, geopolitics, and it's a breath of fresh air, in my view, because so many of our elected officials have such a narrow knowledge base, they don't understand these issues, like just mercury.
Or that mercury can come from coal-fired power plants and settle on trees, and then when trees burn, it re-releases the mercury into the environment, things like that.
So I just want to congratulate you for being well-informed.
Well, thanks, Mike.
You know, one of the things that I talked about in my speech, in my announcement speech, was one of the kind of five issues that I dealt with was chronic disease in children.
And this is irrespective of vaccines.
We have had this explosion of chronic disease in this country that nobody's ever seen in history before.
We've gone from 6% of children having chronic disease to now more than 54%.
And these are these neurological diseases like ADD, ADHD, speech delay.
You know, we've got the whole generation on Adderall.
Autism rates have gone from 1 in 10,000 in my generation to 1 in 34 kids today.
Allergic diseases, peanut allergies, food allergies, eczema.
All of these suddenly appeared around 1989.
And we have an NIH that is supposed to be looking and saying, okay, why is this happening?
I mean, we have the highest death of the body count in the world for COVID. And we know that the reason people are dying, one of the reasons they were dying excessively in our country, is because we have the highest level of chronic disease on Earth.
This is the sickest generation on Earth, and we are the sickest country in the world.
Why is that?
It has to be an environmental toxin.
And it has to be an environmental toxin that became ubiquitous around 1989.
And there's a bunch of things that happened then, But there's a limited number of culprits.
There's about 10 or 12 culprits.
It could be PFOAs.
It could be glyphosate, which is in Roundup.
It could be neonicotid pesticides.
It could be cell phones.
It could be vaccines, which went from 372 vaccines during that period.
So we ought to be, NIH's job should be to look at that.
Agreed.
This expenditure we have in our country now, we're spending $4.3 trillion on health.
And 80% of that goes to treating chronic disease.
Why are we looking and saying, here's a way we can give better quality of life to Americans to protect our children and reduce the expense of government dramatically?
We pay far more for health care.
In any country in the world, and we're 79th in terms of health outcomes.
We're behind, you know, Cuba and Costa Rica.
Well, exactly.
And you will be happy to know.
You, among all people, will appreciate this.
But, you know, I run a food science lab, and we just recently received shipment of dioxin testing equipment for our mass spec instruments.
I'm getting trained on that in a few weeks.
And we have soil samples from Ohio and from Pennsylvania, the Amish farms there.
We're going to be doing independent testing of dioxins out of our lab in Texas because the EPA refuses to do more than two samples.
We need hundreds of samples.
And there are times where we're doing testing that the FDA refuses to do.
So my question to you, sir, is...
Haven't these government agencies utterly failed at the very thing they're supposed to do, which is to protect the public?
They're not even doing the most basic things, and it turns out that private labs are doing a better job than they are.
Yeah, I mean, the accident, I'm representing 600 plaintiffs in East Palestine, and I've been down there and just seeing the devastation.
And, you know, a lot of those Amish farms and the Mennonite farms in Columbia and the county are farms that have fiercely protected their organic status for generations.
And people go there because they want food that's not tainted by chemicals, and all of a sudden, you know, this explosion that is putting the most toxic chemical in the universe that we know of, that is, other than mercury, actually, on their food.
There's nothing that we know of that's more toxic than dioxin.
No, there is nothing.
And so even a molecule of it, it causes cancer and all these birth defects and everything else.
And, you know, we basically, that East Palestine explosion basically rained down dioxin on that county and beyond.
And I'm so happy that you're doing that.
You know, it's very expensive, as you know, to test dioxin.
A lot of times you have to destroy the equipment after you test with it because it's so hideously toxic.
But those people have a right to know.
If Norfolk Southern put dioxin on their property, Norfolk Southern needs to absorb the cost of removing it down to the last molecule.
100%.
100%.
If Norfolk Southern wants dioxin in its soil, it should add in at home and its executives, but it's a trespass to do that to other Americans.
Well, I love the fact that I can talk contamination science with you about food and soils.
And, you know, honestly, a lot of Republicans, a lot of conservatives don't understand the science of food and soils and ecology and water systems and so on.
And, you know, that's for them to get up to speed on.
However, my question to you, on the Democrat side, there is, you know, the whole climate change topic.
And you wrote a really excellent article about how we protect our environment, which I really agree with what you wrote.
But, of course, on the Democrat side, there is this obsession with carbon dioxide above all else.
I've seen so many groups just focus on CO2, which is necessary for photosynthesis, but then they forget about the mercury.
They forget about the GMOs, the glyphosate, the neonicotinoids, the dioxins, all of this.
It's like, I thought the environmental movement was supposed to focus on environmental toxins.
Not just one molecule that plants actually need, you know, to grow.
How do you find, you know, balance on this issue of climate versus pollution versus environment?
Well, you know, I believe that carbon does cause climate change, cause global warming.
But I'm not going to insist anybody else believe that.
And I think all of the things that we need, and this is what I've said for 40 years, I focused on the toxic impacts to communities because, you know, I worked for commercial fishermen for most of my career, Mike, and, you know, they cared deeply about the environment.
They cared about the fisheries.
They cared about safe food, about clean places to bring their children.
It was hard to get them excited about, you know, graphs and projections 30 or 40 years from now.
Yes.
But habitat, protecting habitat, to me, is the most important thing that we can do.
Habitats actually stabilize climate in ways, in so many ways that we're learning today, that there's nothing more important than that.
And people on both sides, Republicans, we need to find consensus on these issues.
We need to protect these, you know, our Purple Mountain's Majesty, The waters, the airways, the landscapes of this country because we love them as Americans.
And the climate issue in many ways has been hijacked by the kind of crowd at Davos who is using that issue as an excuse, as a pretense to clamp down totalitarian controls.
And to impose geoengineering solutions to which they own the IPs in many cases, like, you know, Bill Gates with all these, you know, carbon capture.
I don't think that's the way to do it.
I think we need free market capitalism, which will end the subsidies to the carbon incumbents.
And, you know, if we end those subsidies, we get $5.2 trillion a year to carbon.
And if we ended those subsidies, they couldn't function in the marketplace.
Many of those are environmental subsidies.
So, for example, the coal industry has cut down the 500 biggest mountains in West Virginia.
They've leveled an area of our Purple Mountains majesty to the size of Delaware.
They have poisoned or destroyed 2,200 miles of rivers and streams illegally.
The coal, when you burn it, it's mercury, and every freshwater fish in America now has mercury.
The waterways, these pristine waterways on the high peaks of the Appalachian are now all sterilized from acid rain, and coal-burning power plants emit ozone particulates that cause about a half a trillion dollars of healthcare costs a year.
So, if that industry of coal was forced to internalize those costs, nobody would be burning coal.
We would be looking for cheaper energy.
Today, it costs about a billion dollars to build a gigawatt of solar power.
To build a new coal plant costs about 3.5 billion a gigawatt.
And once you build a coal plant, now you've got to pay for the fuel and you've got to build, fortify the roads and create all of this destruction.
Once you build that solar plant, it's free energy forever.
So, what we ought to be doing is fortifying our grid, building out our grid, making it easy for the cheapest forms of energy to dominate in the marketplace.
I believe in free market capitalism.
I believe markets inspire, promote efficiency.
Efficiency means the elimination of waste and pollution is waste.
In a true free market, you can't make yourself rich without making your neighbors rich.
What polluters do is they make themselves rich by making everybody else poor.
In a true free market, we would be forced to properly value our natural resources and it's the undervaluation of those resources that cause us to use them wastefully.
You show me a polluter and I'll show you a subsidy.
I'll show you a fat cat.
Using political clout to escape the discipline of the free market and force the public to pay its production costs.
I think our energy policy should be based upon forcing all of the polluters to internalize their costs, including the cost of cleaning up their mess, which was a lesson we were all supposed to learn in kindergarten, and then allowing the public to choose the cheapest, most efficient form of energy that suits their own, you know, and preserving our personal freedoms.
You make a lot of good points there, especially about the externalization of the cost, but I would add that in the long term, I think you and I both agree, hot fusion energy is probably where things are going, perhaps decades ahead.
Fusion would be an excellent solution.
For all of us.
It doesn't produce nuclear waste.
And it's, you know, essentially limitless energy using a very small amount of mass.
But that's going to require a massive power grid to build out to be able to handle that.
And right now I'm seeing stories.
Actually, I saw the...
The energy commissioner of FERC, just saying, hey, our power grid's failing.
We're going to have rolling blackouts, high risk nationwide.
There are copper shortages necessary for the wire.
There's aluminum shortages, disruptions in minerals because of the Ukrainian conflict.
And it's like, I think we're 25 years behind building a power grid.
What do you think about that?
You know, we don't need nuclear fusion.
We've got enough...
We have enough wind energy just in North Dakota, Montana, Texas to provide 100% of our power grid in this country and then we got enough solar in Arizona, you know, I think a 75 square mile place in the desert southwest to provide the entire energy grid for all of North America.
The problem is You can't use variable power efficiently unless you have an energy grid that allows you to distribute it across the country during peak production.
We don't have a power grid that can efficiently...
Every farmer in North Dakota, if you're a corn farmer in North Dakota, you're paying about $300 an acre for land.
That's the value of that land.
If you put a wind turbine on a corner of that cornfield, that acre goes up to $3,200 acre.
So every farmer in North Dakota wants to build a wind turbine or multiple wind turbines on their property.
The problem is they can't get their energy to Cleveland or Chicago or New York or to the big urban centers Because we don't have an energy grid that can carry it.
If we built out an energy grid the way that we built out the ARPANET grid, when we built the ARPANET grid in this country, the cost of information of bits and bytes went to zero.
And we built a grid for the telephone, for telecom, the cost of telephones, I mean, you know, when I, 20 years ago, I was paying $75 for a phone call to Europe.
Today it's free.
And if we build an energy grid that efficiently distributes energy, the cost of energy will also go to zero.
And that's what we need to do.
We turn every American into an energy, every home into a power plant, and every American into an energy entrepreneur.
So you can put solar panels on your roof, and when they're producing more energy than you use, You ought to be able to sell that back to the grid, efficiently ship it anywhere in the country, and get the same price that the utility is getting.
And there's nowhere you can do that.
Right, right.
And I think we need some really cost-efficient storage, energy storage technologies.
I know some of those are under development right now.
But let me shift gears just for the time we have left.
Next tough question.
And you may not know this, by the way, but I'm married to an immigrant from Taiwan.
And so I believe in legal immigration, and I think that legal immigration is critical for our country.
And yet, I'm also living in Texas, and we have this border situation that is a true crisis.
You've spoken about this somewhat.
How do we solve this if you're president?
How do we stop...
Just endless, uninvestigated, you know, just anybody just walking across the border, including with weapons and drugs and whatever, and yet respect legal immigration.
How do we do that?
Yeah, I mean, if I'm president, I'm going to make the border impervious, whatever it takes, because by making it so easy to cross the border now, we are actually causing a humanitarian crisis.
We're inviting people to that border, and that is a humanitarian crisis now.
We ought to open up legal immigration and make that easier according to America's best needs and best interests.
But we need to close down the border and not allow that crisis to continue.
Any idea how that could even be accomplished?
I mean, would it just take the White House announcing to the world, hey, we're going to have a secure border from now on, we're going to enforce that?
I mean, what do you do?
Yeah, you know what, I don't know exactly, you know, what, because I need to go down there and study it, but my commitment is that whatever it takes, I'm going to, that's what I'm going to do.
That's my objective as president.
Okay, all right, fair enough.
Next question, I believe I've heard you say in other interviews that you support criminal investigations into some of the actors responsible for gain-of-function research, you know, funding.
What appear to be illegal programs, perhaps malfeasance on the part of the FDA. Can you repeat for our audience here what you support in terms of potential criminal investigations into some of the key actors surrounding COVID and the vaccines?
People who lied to the American public should be prosecuted.
People who defrauded the American public and people who should be prosecuted.
People who were injured by these products should be compensated.
And the entire field of gain-of-function study should probably be shut down altogether.
You know, I will shift funding From virology and infectious disease and direct NIH to direct its funding instead to studying chronic disease, because that's really the epidemic that is hurting our country.
The fact that we've got millions of kids, one out of every 34 kids now has autism in our country, is a much worse threat than COVID ever was.
You know, these are young kids at the beginning of their lives, and we're ignoring that, the big problem.
The explosion of autoimmune disease, of juvenile diabetes, of rheumatoid arthritis, of lupus, all the hundred different autoimmune diseases that have suddenly appeared and gone epidemic.
All of these allergic diseases that suddenly appeared around 1989 and went epidemic.
The eczema, peanut allergies, and all the neurological diseases that have a generation of kids hooked on Adderall.
And SRIs and all of these, we need to find out what's wrong with our kids and we need to put an end to it.
Yeah, I completely agree.
And I'm really glad you understand the importance of that because I think with nutrition and clean foods and healthy foods, you know, we can prevent, we can save how many hundreds of billions of dollars a year in healthcare costs and keep kids healthier and happier and have better fertility and better lives, all of that.
It's 80% of our healthcare costs now going to chronic disease.
The medical and digital complex wants to keep us sick.
We're spending $4.3 trillion on healthcare.
80% of it is going to chronic disease.
Anthony Fauci says the big threat is these infections that are popping up, which almost all of them are laboratory-created.
The Lyme disease was a military weapon.
It got to lose from the Plum Island lab.
And there are many, many others like that.
The cost-benefit analysis of doing this kind of research is not redounding toward the medical cartel in that industry.
We need to shut them down, and all of the other countries in the world want to shut it down.
The only one that's refused is the United States.
Everybody else has agreed to shut down all of this bioweapons research.
Yeah, it's incredible.
I want to give out your website.
I know you have to take a phone call in three and a half minutes.
Your website is Kennedy24.com.
Is that the best site where people can join your email list?
Yes.
Kennedy24.com.
Also, what can people do to help support you?
Because, look, people are very enthusiastic about you running for president.
They want to help you.
I've even said publicly, I may temporarily switch parties to vote for you in the nomination process.
I very well may do that.
Yeah, so what can people do to help you right now?
You know, they should go to the website and volunteer.
If that's what you can do, we need volunteers.
And if you can send money, send a check, even, you know, $3 or $4 and $5, do that.
We need to raise for the campaign, we have to raise $5 million by July 1st in order to qualify for the debates, if there are debates.
But if I don't, you know, if I don't hit that metric, it's not that easy because the maximum contribution is $6,600.
And we started, most people who come into a race like this are senators and governors who have a big war chest with 20 or 30 million in the bank when they step in and they can put an organization together overnight.
We were not legally allowed to raise any money until the beginning of last month when I filed with the FEC and we now have Three months, two months left to raise that $5 million metric.
So if anything that you could send at this point would be good.
Okay, so that's the number one goal, folks.
I want you to share this interview.
Post it everywhere.
You have our permission.
I want you to go to Kennedy24.com.
Sign up there.
Volunteer and ask other people as well.
Get them involved.
And everybody sends some donation checks.
You can find the instructions as a donate button on that website.
And I just want to thank you for sharing time with us today, and we greatly appreciate you.
You should know that you are loved and you are appreciated across America, across political parties.
You are a pro-human being.
You are a pro-human human being yourself, and we love you for that.
Thank you very much, Mike.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Well, thank you.
And we'll talk again soon.
And best to you.
And thank you for joining me today.
And I know you have a phone call, so we'll let you go.
But thank you so much.
Thank you.
Talk soon.
Okay.
We'll talk again.
And that's the interview with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., folks.
Again, the website is Kennedy24.com and well worth your time to support this man who is putting it all on the line for America.
Thank you for joining me today.
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