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April 27, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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	All right, welcome to Bright Town Broadcast News for Thursday, April 27th, 2023.
	Mike Adams joining you here.
	And we have a ton of stuff to share with you today.
	First of all, you may have noticed on the wide shot there, can you go back to camera two?
	You see our new Brighteon neon sign that we had made.
	This thing is programmable.
	Look, we can do all kinds of different colors.
	As you're seeing there, do we have a close-up to show people what that is?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Can you see that?
	Hey, give us a different color that's like more sparkly or something.
	More red in it.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, this thing, you can change the colors on it so we can do Christmas themes or we can do...
	There we go.
	Look at that.
	Yeah, sparkly themes, whatever.
	So we're playing around with some interesting stuff here, just to try to jazz up the studio a little bit.
	I've also got my dog, Rhodey, here today, and he's now been dubbed the Lord of the Rings.
	Can you go back to camera two?
	I think they might be able to see him.
	You see the yellow ring in the corner there?
	That's Rhodey's ring, and he's all about that.
	Hey, Rhodey, get the toy.
	Get the toy.
	Yeah.
	There we go.
	See?
	He's keeping his eye on that ring.
	Can you see that?
	Get the toy ready.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah?
	What do you want to do?
	Is it playtime?
	Yeah?
	No?
	Not today.
	Okay, yeah, you can see his tail.
	All right.
	So he's having fun, he's relaxing, and I have a lot of interesting stuff to cover.
	So we have an interview coming up with Chris Chang.
	And he is the season four winner of Top Shot, which is the History Channel's show.
	And Chris Chang is not only a highly accomplished marksman, he's also gay and he lives in San Francisco.
	And yet, you know, we're going to ask him cultural questions, too, about this.
	We had a great conversation with him.
	I mean, I already recorded that interview just a few minutes ago.
	I've got to say, Chris Chang was awesome, and we talked about what it's like to be gay in America or to be Asian in America because there's some discrimination against Asians now.
	We talked about Second Amendment firearms, concealed carry, why we have to de-escalate so much hatred in our country right now and just hopefully try to chill out.
	It's just a lot of great topics.
	So I was really happy to be able to bring on Chris Chang.
	And he was also featured in that documentary we covered called Firearms and Freedoms.
	So that interview is coming up.
	And then also today we have Marjorie Wildcraft from icangrowfood.com.
	And of course, Marjorie is the expert in how to grow food and why you need to grow some amount of food, even if it's a relatively small amount.
	And she joins us for almost an hour-long interview.
	I love Marjorie.
	She's doing great.
	She looks young and vibrant.
	And she told me she just turned 60.
	And yet, because she's out gardening and everything, she's looking great and teaching people how to grow food and be self-reliant.
	So that's coming up.
	You're going to love that.
	Got a lot of things to announce here.
	We have Brighteon University has been officially launched.
	The website is brightu.com.
	And if you go to brightu.com right now, you'll see this Cult of the Medics Director's Bonus Edition.
	You just put in your name and email address there.
	You click Access Now, and you'll be able to watch this.
	It starts streaming this Saturday, April 29th.
	It's free to watch.
	There's also an optional purchase of the whole...
	You can download the whole series.
	I think it's like $10 or something.
	But that's optional.
	You can watch the whole thing for free.
	And Brighteon University, again, brightu.com, this is where we're going to be streaming educational content 24-7, every day, different documentaries, docu-series programs, so much more, how-to programs, how to grow food, knowledge-based systems.
	It's going to be great.
	So enjoy that, brightu.com.
	And oh yeah, I wanted to mention our food donation that I've been talking about for a couple of months here is finally ready.
	I'm filming it on Friday in our warehouse.
	Remember, I wanted to have it brought in on the desk here, but it's apparently too big for that.
	It's on too many pallets.
	Turns out the retail value of this is about $150,000.
	That's the donation that we are making to two organizations, and now I have both of their names.
	Convoy of Hope is one of them, and Harvest Time Ministries.
	I believe they're based out of Florida.
	Those are the two groups that we're donating to, and Friday I plan to film in the warehouse the actual donation, and that is an interesting story behind that.
	It's all food and supplements that's going out to needy people in America through those two organizations that I mentioned, Convoy of Hope.
	They're going to be distributing this.
	This is all recently manufactured product, okay?
	This is not expired stuff.
	It's not surplus stuff.
	We made it and even labeled it specifically for this donation.
	That's actually what took so long, it turns out, because we had to have label approvals for these label changes.
	But this is all going out to Americans as we promised, and the backstory on this is kind of fun.
	First, we had earned through the Truth About Cancer series and their...
	Propaganda exposed.
	Through that program, we had earned in affiliate fees something like $25,000 or $24,000 in affiliate fees.
	I think that happened around December or January.
	And you may recall me saying, well, we were going to turn that into a donation.
	And that's when I said, we're just going to donate $25,000 worth of food out to needy Americans.
	And then through internal discussions, that number kept getting larger and larger.
	And it's now, at one point it was $100,000 worth of food.
	Now it's $150,000 worth of food and supplements.
	We couldn't do it without your support.
	So thank you for all your support, by the way.
	It's enabling us to do this.
	We couldn't do this without God's protection.
	So thank you, God, for the abundance, the wisdom that you give us.
	It's enabling us to do this.
	And it's going to go out next week.
	Actually, Convoy of Hope, I'm told, is picking it up on Monday with their freight company.
	So I have to film it on Friday.
	And then you'll get to see it.
	And again, we took, I mean, from nothing, with your support, we took a program, $25,000 of affiliate revenue, turned it into $150,000 worth of food going out the door on Monday to be distributed into the hands of the American people.
	And thank you for your support in allowing us to do that.
	And frankly, you know, we couldn't do it without you.
	And if you want to support us, by the way, healthrangerstore.com.
	We have, of course, just an amazing assortment of products.
	I've got some of them here on my desk.
	These are just a few of the number 10 cans of freeze-dried food.
	We've got milk.
	Well, milk's not freeze-dried.
	That's spray-dried.
	But the mango is freeze-dried, all certified organic, all laboratory tested.
	And these little shakers in front there, that's pepper.
	That's ground black pepper, which is certified organic, goes really great with all the recipes.
	The thing is that a lot of the spices, almost all the spices out there, are contaminated with some level of lead.
	I saw a story recently, I forgot who put it out, that said they went out and bought, I don't know, it was like 60 or 70 different spices and they found lead in all of them.
	And we consistently see crazy high levels of lead in certain spices, especially turmeric, for example.
	So this is ground black pepper that is lab tested to have extremely low metals, plus certified organic, plus we tested for E. coli, salmonella, all that.
	You can find all of this at healthrangerstore.com.
	And the more you support us, the more, obviously, we support the American people.
	We will continue to make donations and bring on amazing guests and pay for the platform, Brighteon here, that is, you know, sometimes it can lose money based on bandwidth because, you know, bandwidth costs something and, you know, it's a free service for people to use.
	So keep supporting us and we'll keep supporting you.
	And by the way, I want to thank Dane Wigington here.
	He sent me this shirt.
	Here it is.
	Stop Climate Engineering.
	You see that?
	That's from geoengineeringwatch.org.
	So thank you, Dane, for sending this.
	He also sent another shirt, which I haven't unpacked yet, but there it is.
	Stop Climate Engineering.
	What is that picture?
	Oh, those are...
	I see.
	Those are chemtrails.
	That's like a jumbo jet spraying...
	Spraying the sky right there.
	Anyway, stop climate engineering, geoengineeringwatch.org.
	Thank you, Dane.
	We'll get Dane back on probably soon, based on what's going on.
	There is a lot going on, and I want to address something up front here before we actually go to the interviews.
	Again, the first interview is Chris Chang, second interview is with Marjorie Wildcraft.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	One more thing I need to plug as a favor to John Bush and his group.
	There's a summit that's happening in Bastrop, Texas.
	It's called the exitandbuildlandsummit.com.
	This is the third year.
	Here's the website.
	Exitandbuildlandsummit.com takes you to this page.
	You can, and there's John, I've had him in here for an interview about a year ago.
	He's coming back for another interview, coming up here in the next, I don't know, week or two.
	And we may be having a Brighton booth at this event in order to interview people there.
	It's not totally clear yet.
	It's a possibility.
	We'll see.
	But this event, apparently there are still in-person tickets available.
	So if you want to go to Bastrop, Texas, which is a really nice small town east of Austin, it's part of the Central Texas ecosystem that I'm familiar with, and I think it's the convention center in Bastrop, Texas.
	You can get tickets for this event, and let me see what the dates are.
	May 19th through the 21st is the conference.
	There are also live streaming tickets available.
	We're not an affiliate.
	I'm not getting paid to say this or anything.
	There's no financial benefit to us.
	I'm just spreading the word because I think John Bush is doing some really great work.
	So you can get live streaming tickets.
	You can watch the event online or you can go in person.
	Again, exitandbuildlandsummit.com.
	Now, in fact, I'm glad I kind of mentioned that because John Bush's entire realm of solutions is about building a future that works.
	And, you know, there's this constant kind of dichotomy or yin and yang dynamic between talking about, you know, doom and gloom, oh, it's all collapsing, which it is, and then, oh my gosh, you know, we've got to rebuild this system and how are we going to have a bright future for humanity?
	And people have asked me questions, just relentlessly, over the years.
	Like, are you a doom and gloomer?
	Or are you an everything's gonna be okay type of person?
	Well, technically, I'm a little bit of both.
	So the doom and gloom is happening right now.
	And I don't think that anybody can stay blind or oblivious to what's actually happening.
	We've had three banks collapse this year already.
	And it looks like First Republic is going under.
	It's already zombie bank status.
	We've already had the Saudis say they're going to drop the dollar as the reserve currency or the petrodollar currency.
	They're already doing deals with China and Russia and other countries.
	India is moving away from the dollar.
	We're looking at global de-dollarization.
	That's happening now.
	It's no longer a theory.
	When I was first interviewing people like Andy Sheckman, it was just a theory.
	Andy was talking about, like, this is coming.
	And people would argue, no, it's not coming, it's never going to happen.
	Well, it's happening.
	It's in the mainstream headlines now.
	There's so many other examples.
	Look at the breakdown of the rule of law.
	Look at food inflation.
	Look at the breaking down supply chain for food and energy.
	You look at the increasing violence in the cities, the lack of police funding.
	Just one thing after another.
	Food infrastructure getting destroyed.
	No honest person can argue today that the collapse isn't already underway.
	It's happening.
	Okay?
	So, if anybody is out there thinking that, oh, we're just talking doom and gloom, no.
	We're covering the reality of what's happening.
	We are going to go through a collapse together.
	Okay?
	You and I, everybody watching, we're going to go through a collapse together.
	We're going to survive it.
	And that's where the bright side of this comes in.
	The bright eon.
	Brighteon.com.
	The bright eon means a bright future.
	That's why we named it bright eon.
	By the way, in case you're curious.
	Because we believe there will be a new golden age for humanity as this country is.
	And the Western world is forced to return to Christian values, for one thing, is forced to return to an honest money system after the collapse of the current The fake fiat currency system that will not survive much longer.
	And I can give you many more examples.
	We will return to more local food production.
	We will return to more civility and reason.
	We will return to a better education system out of necessity because the current systems that we live under are absolutely collapsing.
	Let there be no mistake.
	The collapse is upon us.
	It is accelerating.
	It will be doom and gloom for those who don't have knowledge.
	It will be death and destruction for those who are oblivious.
	Okay?
	And that's true.
	And that doesn't make me a doom and gloomer to say that.
	That is just a matter of fact.
	For those people who are not prepared, many of them will die.
	We might see a billion deaths on this planet, maybe even more.
	We might see 200 million Americans dead before we get through this.
	But that's not you.
	That's not me.
	That's not any of us.
	We are hard to kill.
	We are survivors.
	We are resilient.
	We are adaptive.
	And we are knowledgeable.
	And we're sharing and spreading knowledge and skills.
	And seeds, come to think of it.
	Because we are going to be here.
	And we are going to build a pro-human future...
	That will leave the past in the dust.
	I mean, you won't even, you'll be looking back at this time thinking, oh my God, we went through the dark ages.
	I mean, things were so bad you couldn't even speak without being deplatformed.
	You know, your money became worthless.
	You know, the food wasn't even reliable.
	We're going to remember this time because we will be the survivors.
	And a lot of the mission of what I do here on BrightTown.com is to bring you interviews, documentaries, solutions, sometimes products, sometimes videos, things that help you survive this.
	So, when it comes to pessimism versus optimism, ultimately, I am a pro-human optimist.
	I believe that God wants us to make it, and that God has given us everything that we need to make it, the wisdom, the resources, the blessings all around us, the food, sunshine, photosynthesis, carbon dioxide for plants, a planet that sustains life if we're smart enough to just take advantage of it and live in harmony with it, right?
	We are going to make it.
	Not everybody will.
	So the honest answer to the optimism versus pessimism question is, Yeah, it's going to be doom for those who don't know what they're doing.
	Many of them will die.
	It's going to be a new era, a new golden age for those who embrace knowledge and liberty and who face the future with a sense of courage, which is what I am working to advocate for.
	Let's face the future.
	I mean, let's be honest about what's collapsing.
	The dollar is going to be worth zero.
	The banks are going to collapse.
	People are going to starve.
	There's going to be violence in the streets.
	No question about it.
	You're already seeing that.
	I mean, it's not even a theory anymore.
	But we're going to get through that, and we can build a better society, especially those of us who survive this, because, you know, frankly, a lot of people who don't survive are the most gullible, most oblivious, kind of brainwashed people, and they're the least qualified to participate in the future of human society anyway, by definition.
	So we're not going to have a lot of lunatics left to deal with, it turns out, because they're going to self-annihilate in many cases, or just, you know, the globalists will get rid of them like low-hanging fruit of human depopulation.
	But for those of us who are still here, don't you want to survive?
	I mean, more than that.
	Don't you want to thrive?
	Don't you want to be part of a society that actually protects the lives of children?
	A society that is based in, you know, true blind justice.
	A society where the government doesn't come confiscate everything that you've earned and then take away your guns and make you a slave and then force you into a digital money system.
	Don't you want to live in a better society than that?
	And that is why, by the way, I've kind of hinted about this before and I'm going to hint a little more today.
	Make of this what you will, but there's a lot more coming.
	We have a lot of announcements coming up in the next several months that are going to blow your mind.
	We are embracing decentralization technologies, and we're doing it with a level of dedication and almost urgency.
	And it's best described by what I've said this here publicly, we're going to make our current platforms obsolete on purpose.
	Okay?
	Because even our current money system will be obsolete.
	So we had better be ready with a replacement system of value.
	And I am convinced that that system is going to be a decentralized system, a peer-to-peer type of system.
	We're going to need decentralization solutions in terms of platforms and executable code.
	Because as the system is crumbling, you know, the conventional system, the government is going to be, they're going to go full tyranny and they're going to try to confiscate everything they can.
	They're going to try to take down servers and take down websites and seize people's money and make it so you can't withdraw money out of your bank account.
	It's going to be like centralization gone wild.
	And the only way that we are going to survive with our lives intact, with our assets intact, with our communications abilities intact, with our communities intact, is to decentralize as quickly as possible.
	And here at brighteon.com and across everything that I operate, that we publish or control, Different platforms, Brighteon Social, naturalnews.com, what have you, we are going to decentralize.
	And we're going to do it as quickly as humanly possible.
	And in doing so, we are going to show, we're going to be a demonstration.
	We're going to showcase what this technology looks like and contribute to the open source community in doing this in a way that allows other people to do what we are doing.
	Simple as that.
	Okay?
	So, be ready for some bombshell announcements.
	Because it's coming.
	And the world that we are going to build together is nothing like the world we just left.
	It's not like we're just going to reform government or we're going to win the next election.
	It's so far beyond that.
	We're going to make the current system freaking obsolete.
	We are so far ahead of the current broken system.
	We are so far even ahead of the tyrants.
	They think they can lock us down and control our minds and control our money and control our communications, control our voice.
	They can't.
	They can't.
	They're already obsolete.
	They just don't know it yet.
	And all the properties that we are part of will help blaze the trail with a lot of incredible minds, incredible individuals who have been working on these kinds of solutions for quite some time, a number of years.
	We're joining with them to make history together.
	It's a history of decentralization, liberty, and freedom for humanity.
	Now you combine that with our recent project such as Breitian University, Which is all about educational content, and you begin to see what we have in mind.
	We are going to be, I mean, maybe this is too early to announce it, but what the heck.
	We are going to spearhead the repository of human knowledge, indigenous human knowledge, that will be accessible across the world in multiple languages without government intervention and without censorship.
	We will become the Arctic seed vault for human knowledge.
	This is knowledge that the globalists are trying to destroy just as they try to wipe out indigenous knowledge of medicine.
	They try to pretend that there's no such thing as Amazonian medicine or Tibetan medicine or Australian Aborigine medicine or what have you, traditional Chinese medicine, you name it, American Indian herbalism.
	They try to pretend that that doesn't exist.
	They try to wipe out the knowledge of human history.
	They're even destroying the corn seed supply.
	So you don't even have seed diversity with corn like you used to have even 20 years ago.
	Same thing with onions and other crops.
	We are going to become the seed bank of human knowledge.
	Which is a goal that the original Google set out to do was to categorize and index human knowledge, but since then Google has tried to suppress all human knowledge and to indoctrinate and brainwash and destroy humanity.
	That's Google's current goal, by the way, is to destroy knowledge.
	So it means that you and I, working together, not through some centralized system, it's not going to be all Brighttown.com, it's not going to be all Mike Adams, it's going to be all of us, we the people, contributing to a decentralized system of knowledge that is uncensorable for eternity.
	I mean, as long as we have computers running, as long as we have TCPIP running, which is the underlying protocol of the Internet, then this knowledge will exist and it will be free and it will be accessible to everyone around the world and it will drive the establishment utterly insane that they won't be able to have oblivious people who don't know how to treat themselves by growing their own antibiotic herbs, for example.
	The establishment will go insane because we're going to teach people how to grow medicine, how to grow food, how to create abundance and wealth and freedom opportunities using God's gift and Mother Nature's resources right around us.
	And it's all right there.
	It's all right there in front of us.
	And all we have to do is be wise enough to realize that we were born to be free, not to be slaves.
	We were born to be abundant, not to live in a society of engineered scarcity.
	We were born to be bold, not to be meek and, you know, cowering in fear over saying the wrong thing and being deplatformed.
	Screw platforms, folks.
	Platforms will be obsolete.
	Deplatforming will mean nothing in the future that we are building together because there won't be platforms.
	There will just be we, the people, sharing knowledge and love and abundance for each other.
	And that's the future that I want to help build with your help.
	And we're doing it.
	We are actively doing it in ways that I can't yet talk about, but you will find out about.
	And it's going to be tons of fun.
	This is the most exciting time to be alive.
	So, yeah, I am optimistic.
	And I'm optimistic because I'm part of the incredible creative community that is building that optimism based on rational ideas.
	Reasoning.
	We're building a better future together, and we are going to make it decentralized.
	That's the goal.
	We're going to make it happen.
	All right.
	With that said, I want to go right into the first interview with Chris Chang.
	And then on the other side of that, we'll have Marjorie Wildcraft.
	So be sure don't miss both of those interviews coming right up here on Brighteon Broadcast News.
	Welcome to Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And as you know, I am a pro-Second Amendment individual living in Texas.
	I practice concealed carry and many thousands of hours of target shooting and training and so on drills.
	Most of those are drills hours, actually.
	And today we're joined by a very accomplished marksman, a shooter, well, more than just a shooter.
	His name is Chris Chang, and he was the season four champion of Top Shot, which is a very popular show on History Channel.
	His website is TopShotChris.com.
	He lives in San Francisco, which is, of course, not a gun-friendly jurisdiction.
	And he joins us today to talk about firearms and so much more.
	Chris, welcome to the show.
	It's great to have you on.
	Thanks for having me on, and I'm excited to chat about guns and the Second Amendment with you.
	That's awesome.
	I really appreciate you coming on.
	You're from the tech industry, and you live in San Francisco, so you're not the typical person that people associate with being a gun owner, but tell us about your experience.
	Clearly, you're not the only one in California that is an accomplished firearms expert.
	What's it like being there and also being a pro-Second Amendment accomplished shooter?
	Yeah, you know, California, obviously, we get a really bad rap.
	Sometimes it's well-deserved.
	You know, we have the most gun control laws on the books in the country, right?
	And yet, none of these gun control laws, you know, do anything meaningful to reduce crime.
	And they negatively and disproportionately impact Regular, law-abiding citizens like me and the 58 million other California residents.
	But, you know, one thing that you may not know is that California has the highest number of sales in firearms and firearms-related accessories, according to the firearms industry.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, there are so many gun owners here in California where we're spending so much money On firearms, firearms accessories, going to the range, etc., etc.
	And what I found here, especially in San Francisco...
	Is this notion of the closeted gun owner.
	I'm very open about being a gun owner, but there are so many gun owners here in San Francisco where they're afraid to be out as a gun owner.
	They won't mention their guns to their friends or their family or their colleagues.
	One of my friends, he lives in Haight-Ashbury, which is historically known as the hippie district here in San Francisco, the liberal mecca back in the heyday of the 70s.
	And we walk into his apartment, and there are hunting rifles and taxidermy all over his San Francisco apartment.
	Wow.
	Super impressive.
	California, we have some of the best shooters in the world here.
	Taron Butler, who trained Keanu Reeves and Holly Berry in the whole John Wick series.
	He's based in Los Angeles.
	He's one of the top We have the top three shooters in the world, at least for three gun.
	And then Keith Garcia, another top world ranked three gun shooter, you know, right here in my backyard in the Bay Area.
	And we have plenty of other, you know, top tier world class shooters as well.
	So, you know, the shooting sports are very, very healthy here in the Bay Area.
	We're definitely under attack though.
	We've had lots of ranges that have been shut down by not just San Francisco politicians, but other politicians throughout the Bay Area.
	And so this is a constant battle, not just for our Second Amendment rights, but just for the simple act of keeping gun shops and gun ranges open.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	And by the way, we're having this interview right after Governor Inslee of Washington signed a law outlawing AR-15s and AK-47s and so-called assault rifles, which they can't really define.
	They are...
	As of right now, illegal to buy or sell or transfer in any way whatsoever.
	It's not illegal to still have one, apparently.
	But the gun crackdown is accelerating across the entire West Coast, and a lot of people are very concerned.
	But before I get into more questions for you about, I want to ask you about concealed carry and things like that.
	But can you give us a little more background of your accomplishments?
	Because you, as I understand it, You were not trained, you know, you don't come out of law enforcement or military, correct?
	Correct.
	No, I'm a regular civilian.
	Okay, so how did you learn to shoot?
	And then how did you learn to shoot so well?
	And even tell us about, I mean, you're the champion of season four, right?
	Of Top Shot, correct?
	Tell us about that.
	My father taught me how to shoot at the age of six, and I grew up in Southern California.
	This was a time in the 80s and 90s where gun ownership was not very common, or at least we didn't know many other gun owners in Orange County.
	I think there was very much a closeted gun ownership mentality in Southern California.
	But I didn't shoot very often.
	Growing up.
	You know, this was a hobby, an infrequent hobby, where my father and I, every three to four years, go to the range for an hour or two, punch some holes in paper.
	And it's all just the basics, right?
	Safe firearms handling, you know, nothing fancy.
	But...
	When the show called Top Shot on the History Channel started airing back in 2008, 2009, it's this incredible show.
	It's a variety of weapons and challenges.
	It's like Disneyland for adults with guns.
	I mean, you're just seeing these incredible challenges that exist nowhere else in the world.
	And so, you know, I'm an average guy.
	Just, you know, got my job at Google watching this show Top Shot every week.
	And, you know, this silly idea popped into my head around, wouldn't it be so fun to be on my favorite TV show?
	At that time, I owned two guns, and I was competing locally, but not doing very well, not winning any kind of awards or anything.
	But fast forward to when I got accepted onto the show.
	That's when my training kicked into high gear.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, I had a five-month window to train for season four of Top Shot, and I treated it like a part-time job.
	Oh, you'd have to.
	I mean, if you only had five months, that's no time to waste.
	Yeah, I mean, I was spending 20 to 25 hours a week either studying marksmanship, dry firing at home, going to the range.
	And so, you know, really focusing on the fundamentals of marksmanship, that gave me the edge to win because, you know, in the show, the competition is all about adaptability because every challenge is a brand new weapon and a weapon that you may or may not have shot before.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, so there's no time to complain about things.
	Many of our viewers, including myself, may not have ever seen the show.
	So tell us what happens there.
	Yeah, so every challenge, it's a brand new weapon.
	We get an hour's worth of practice with the weapon, and then next thing you know, we're thrown into a challenge, and we don't know what the challenge is until we literally walk up to the range, and the host, Colby Donaldson, explains what the challenge is.
	And then that weapon is, after we shoot it, right, we don't see that weapon again for the rest of the season, for the most part.
	So they can hand you, like, here's a muzzleloader, and then you have to go...
	We shot muzzleloader.
	Did you...
	We shot muzzleloaders, right?
	I mean, we also shot machine guns.
	I shot a grenade launcher, which was incredible.
	I never thought I'd ever be shooting a grenade launcher as a civilian.
	But, you know, the show, yeah, the Top Shot just brought these incredible weapons.
	And since it's on the History Channel, it's all about explaining the historical context of Yes.
	Of these weapons, their place in history, why they're important, why they're impactful.
	So I love that part of Top Shot as well, right?
	It wasn't just about the weapons.
	It just wasn't about having a great time, but it was also about learning the history of some of the world's most famous and infamous weapons.
	Wow, wow.
	So, like, the M60? Did you shoot the M60? Did you shoot, like, the M1A carbine?
	Or what was that?
	Yeah, M1 carbine was on my season in particular.
	Oh, yeah, okay.
	M1919 machine gun.
	Oh, no way!
	Was that the water-cooled one?
	The VAR. No, mm-mm.
	Belt-fed.
	Oh, just belt-fed.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, but it's also mounted on an authentic World War II half-track vehicle.
	Oh, that does sound like fun.
	Yeah, man, it was something else.
	It was something else, right?
	And so, you know, watching all these challenges in the prior seasons of Top Shot, I was like, I want to do that, right?
	I want, I mean, this is classic Americana, right?
	You just, you can't, no other country in the world offers a show like Top Shot, where civilians, well, get to compete alongside law enforcement, military, Olympic shooters, lifelong hunters, You know, right?
	There's just no other opportunities like this for a civilian to do it.
	So, you know, I threw my hat in the ring.
	Well, okay, let me give out your website again, topshotchris.com.
	That's where people can follow you.
	But let me ask you a serious question then.
	You know, you came out of, you said you worked at Google and you worked at other tech companies.
	You came out of the big tech scene in California.
	And, you know, honestly, the The California tech scene is not at all friendly towards firearms.
	Did you get some hate?
	Like, did people give you crap for like, why are you glorifying, you know, firearms?
	Anything like that happen?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	But, you know, I was more surprised by finding the large number of tech gun owners.
	There's just so many employees, you know, all the way up from the C-suite, you know, down to your entry-level, you know, tech person.
	Like, there's a lot of gun owners in the tech community.
	And, you know, the one spat I did get into was, you know, my previous employer, I won't name them, but, you know, they have some anti-gun policies.
	And I went to the general counsel of the company and I was like, hey, I'm interested to learn why did the company decide to take what I consider a very woke perspective on the Second Amendment when my previous employer had nothing to do with guns or the Second Amendment.
	And we had this back and forth and ultimately she just said, well...
	Chris, you know, we wanted to do something that we thought would save lives.
	It's like, well, okay, look, I mean, I know you're trying to do the, quote, right thing, but it is at the expense of the rest of us, right?
	Our civil liberties are being restricted by a private company's product policies.
	So, you know, you have a lot.
	Basically, what I'm getting at is you have executives, right, tech executives who are receiving pressure from the public, from gun control entities to sign these letters, right, that often come out after mass shootings and other tragedies.
	And oftentimes, you know, these tech executives, they don't know what they're signing or they don't understand the nuances and the implications of red flag laws, of assault weapons bans, magazine capacity restrictions.
	They don't understand the flip side of the argument and how, one, they're not going to do anything to reduce crime.
	Number two, It mostly just negatively impacts law-abiding citizens who want to lawfully own these firearms and accessories.
	So that's, you know, and I think that's a typical dynamic, right?
	You have just these tech executives who feel public pressure to do things.
	They don't understand, but they jump on the bandwagon because that's the cool thing to do.
	And firearms in the workplace is, of course, a very big issue.
	I think that, for the most part, corporations in California, especially in tech, their policies tend to be that employees are not allowed to bring firearms into work.
	Correct.
	We occasionally, I live in Texas, my studio is here in Texas, we occasionally have attempted mass shootings or attempted robberies and often like three or four civilians pull out their guns and end it pretty quickly.
	Or, you know, sheriff's deputies with AR-15s happen to be eating a burger next door and they just grab their rifle and come in and it's over, right?
	They take care of it.
	Not always, but that's usually the way it goes in Texas.
	But I've noticed that in the medical fields, that hospitals, clinics, places like that, even in Texas, are all saying no guns whatsoever.
	And I'll ask for your comment on this, but this, I think, comes out of the COVID years that we've all been through.
	There were a lot of really...
	There's escalation events between, you know, patients and doctors.
	Like, you know, how come you won't do this?
	Or how come you demand this?
	Or why are you making me, you know, whatever, wear a mask or whatever?
	And things got really heated.
	I've seen a lot of anti-gun, like no guns allowed or we won't even serve you type of thing, even in Texas.
	What's your response to that?
	Yeah, you know, COVID was just such a curveball, you know, for our entire culture, our entire society, and we saw a number of aberrations.
	And so, you know, on this topic of, you know, increased tension between medical professionals and patients and this whole concept of, you know, basically it sounds like hospitals wanted to be, you know, gun-free zones, which is...
	Which is only possible if you're going to be setting up metal detectors and actually checking every single person that comes into the facility, which for some facilities, I'm sure that's feasible.
	But for a lot of hospitals and facilities, that's not.
	But our country is incredibly sick.
	And I don't mean this in the COVID way.
	I mean this in a mental health kind of way, right?
	There's something really, really bad that happened during COVID, and I don't know if it was the social isolation, the civil unrest, or maybe it's all of these things, financial pressures, but we're just seeing this increase in In violent crime, both with use of a firearm and without as well, you know, the number of deaths that we saw during COVID with a firearm increased notably.
	The proportion of homicide to suicide stayed pretty much the same, which is about two-thirds of firearms deaths were suicides and one-third homicides, right?
	But the aggregate number of deaths increased from something like 35,000 to 45,000 deaths in a year.
	That's a notable increase.
	Something's happened and happening in our country.
	We're a very sick country.
	We have a lot of healing that needs to get done.
	I really want us to focus on people.
	This is not so much about the guns.
	This is much more about the people and the circumstances around people's lives that are causing them to fall off a cliff and to decide that violence is their solution, which is obviously not a good solution for anybody.
	So part of that, I agree with what you just said, by the way, we have to pay attention to mental health for sure and the stresses that people have been under all these years and more stresses with things like food inflation and people not being able to afford to live the way they used to in pre-2019 or what have you.
	But let's talk about self-defense for a minute because you're a very accomplished marksman with obviously apparently a lot of really cool weapons.
	I'm very much jealous of that, by the way.
	But Are you able to apply for a permit and get a concealed carry?
	I don't even know if you can talk about this, but what about your protection in a place like San Francisco?
	Because there is spontaneous violent crime that's getting worse in a lot of these cities.
	And it seems like these are the same cities where the cities tend to defund police, number one.
	Which lengthens response times, so you're on your own for longer.
	And then secondly, most of these cities have very strong anti-gun policies to try to disarm law-abiding citizens.
	So how are you navigating that being in San Francisco?
	Yeah, so, you know, let me start high level with the context, you know, so I'm Asian.
	I'm also gay.
	And, you know, historically, San Francisco has been a very safe place for minorities and people of color, etc.
	But, you know, over the past few years, in particular, my Asian background has become a risk factor to my safety because of the increase of racist attacks against Asian Americans.
	A lot of these criminals are basically, you know, scapegoating Asians for COVID and right.
	It's total BS.
	But, you know, my safety and my family's safety, right, is obviously paramount.
	So, you know, CCW has been at the forefront of my mind for a long, long time.
	But the restrictive policies here in San Francisco up until a year ago made it pretty much impossible for anybody to get a CCW. But with the Supreme Court decision last year that basically...
	It codified that the Second Amendment protects the individual's right to defend themselves outside of the home with a firearm.
	That's a game-changing Supreme Court decision.
	Is that the Bruin decision or which decision was it?
	Yes, exactly.
	The Bruin decision was groundbreaking.
	Earth-shattering, totally changing the paradigm, and tilting things in favor of gun rights advocates.
	So I applied for my CCW, gosh, it's almost a year now.
	I applied last July in San Francisco.
	The Sheriff's Department, God bless them, they don't know what they're doing.
	I mean, they self-admittedly told me, Chris, like, In the past, you know, 20 years, they had processed eight CCW applications and all of them got denied, you know, the very first steps.
	You know, they don't have a process for this at all.
	You know, I talked to one of my firearms trainer friends.
	She just got her company certified, right, to train CCW, right, applicants for San Francisco, right?
	So the Bruin decision was back in June of last year.
	The San Francisco Sheriff and Police Departments finally started accepting CCW applications in July, but here we are.
	It's April, almost May, and they haven't fully processed.
	I think they've processed one.
	I think they've fully processed one applicant in this, you know, nine, ten-month period that's gone on.
	You know, a right denied through bureaucracy is, I mean, that's a violation of your civil rights to deny you this obviously constitutionally, you know, enforced, or let's say the Supreme Court has backed this up to say you have this right that the state must issue to you unless you are disqualified from being a felon or what have you, but they must issue this permit to you, and yet so far they haven't.
	Any idea where that's going to happen?
	And the wild thing, I don't.
	I have no, it's a total, you know, black box at the moment.
	But, you know, when you compare California with constitutional carry states where you don't have to apply for a permit, right?
	Your constitutional right is immediate, right?
	That you get to immediately exercise that right.
	And how is it that just because I live in California that my constitutional rights should be any different, right?
	So that's Ultimately, I'm fighting for, at minimum, a more expeditious CCW process.
	But we really should be tilting in the direction of having the Second Amendment be acknowledged and recognized like our other constitutional amendments.
	And what I mean by this is...
	Just like you don't have to apply for a permit to exercise your religion or your freedom of speech, you shouldn't have to apply for a permit and pay the government.
	I'm going to be paying San Francisco close to $1,000 for my CCW permit.
	That's kind of ridiculous.
	It's so true.
	And they might find a reason to deny you.
	They could say, well, you're clearly, you know too many weapons.
	You might be a danger to society.
	Actually, you're the safest guy around because you know how to handle all these different weapons.
	You're the safest.
	And there's some subjective measures that gun control advocates are trying to insert into the CCW process in different states where One of them that is terrifying is they want to insert a social media screening component to your CCW application, right?
	So if someone in the Sheriff's Department doesn't like one of your posts on social media where you say something inflammatory or whatever, these gun control advocates want to make that grounds for For disqualifying you to conceal carry, right?
	So there's a lot of these insidious ways that, you know, Big Brother is just, you know, they want to increase Big Brother's scope and give them more power over restricting and dictating who can and cannot exercise their constitutional rights,
	which should be concerning to everyone, regardless of whether in Texas or whether in California or anywhere in our country, because, you know, California-style gun control is Is coming and has come to other states like Washington, Colorado, Oregon.
	These are states that used to be pretty reliable strongholds for Second Amendment rights.
	And man, I mean, like the Second Amendment, it's falling in some of these states, which is very concerning.
	Yeah, well, and also, I mean, you kind of mentioned this earlier.
	A lot of the people don't understand, even let's say the tech executives, they should understand, at least this is my opinion, that We're good to go.
	And, I mean, there have been mass shootings.
	I forgot there was one in California a few years ago.
	Some crazy couple, I think, went into an executive building and just shot up the place.
	I would hate to be hiding under my desk as an employee of a corporation, knowing, like...
	You, Chris, you have all these skills.
	I know you don't have any desire to actually shoot another human being, but if you were in a situation where you could stop violence and help save lives of your colleagues, wouldn't you rather have the option to have that pistol rather than not have it?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	That's the name of the game.
	That is what a lot of gun control advocates do not understand.
	They don't understand...
	where assailants have weapons, you just, this is a game of increasing the chances that you will survive, right?
	And I'm not saying that having a firearm is gonna make, it's not gonna guarantee that you're gonna walk out of there alive. - But it doesn't. - It will increase your chances.
	It'll increase your chances.
	At least you have a tool at your disposal.
	You don't have to use it, but if push comes to shove, it's better to have the tool and not need it versus the other way around.
	And, you know, and then on employers, you know, thinking that if you put up a no guns allowed here sign, right, and think that that's going to deter a bad guy, right, from walking in to do bad things, you're kidding yourself, right?
	Well, right.
	This is a simple sign.
	Yeah, the signs, obviously criminals don't follow the signs because they don't follow the laws either, but the other tactical issue is, you know, just by shooting back in the direction of the shooter, you can make that shooter pause and seek cover.
	And that alone could save lives and give other people more time to exit, more time for them to find cover.
	It would reduce the rate of fire of the shooter.
	I mean, this is classic military strategy.
	You pin them down with gunfire, even if you're not actually hitting them.
	You're making them stop their own activities.
	And frankly, for a mass shooter, you might force that mass shooter to rethink, like, why did I come here today?
	You know, I didn't realize this was going to be a two-way thing.
	So I think a lot of mass shooters, they target places that they think will be completely free of guns because they don't want anybody shooting back.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, that's right.
	A lot of shooters, the second they come up Against any kind of resistance is, you know, those are key inflection points.
	Like you said, I can either buy more time, right, for people to escape, or at least slow the guy down, right, or confuse the shooter.
	But, you know, one thing that I think often goes unsaid in self-defense trainings is, you know, oftentimes, you know, your first option is to flee.
	Yes, absolutely.
	As a civilian, right?
	This is a civilian, right?
	Like, if you're law enforcement or military, that's a very different paradigm, very different, like, training.
	But as a civilian, you know, no one's looking for heroes.
	You know, I know heroes, right?
	Yes, heroes.
	We appreciate them and glorify them in the media and they earn the praise that they have accomplished.
	But you know, if it comes down to you going home and seeing your family and loved ones at night or potentially either being a hero or potentially being in the ground, you know, obviously this is just a decision that every individual has to make for themselves.
	And so, you know, Going towards the fight, right?
	That's not a typical recommendation in civilian-oriented self-defense training.
	So I just wanted to highlight that as well, right?
	That self-defense...
	It's called defense for a reason, right?
	Because defense is all about protecting yourself from some other threat.
	This is not about you first and foremost going on the offense, right?
	This is very much you're responding to a threat.
	So it's a nuance, but I think a really important nuance that, again, a lot of gun control folks don't understand and they think gun owners, we're all trigger-happy people who think we're all cowboys and heroes.
	And man, like, That's not the case.
	Nobody wants to be shooting and killing anybody if you can avoid it.
	Oh, yeah, you are so correct about that.
	And as a civilian, as you mentioned, you're under no civil obligation to engage a shooter.
	It's not like anybody's going to sue you and say, oh, you should have done more to engage and shoot back.
	No.
	That's law enforcement's job, but there may be circumstances, as you said, where you have no choice.
	And you may need to engage the shooter in order to stop them.
	There was an attempted mass shooting in a mall.
	I don't recall which state this happened in, but clearly someone with a rifle was in a mall and started to fire upon, you know, just...
	A crowd of innocent people.
	But there was a concealed carry holder that happened to be nearby.
	And he was, as I recall, quite an incredible marksman.
	I think he had like an 85% strike rate of shooting the shooter, which is a good, that's a good ratio in any circumstance, much less under stress.
	And he put the guy down.
	And in that circumstance, that was the right call.
	But it depends on the circumstances.
	Yeah, you know, the fascinating part about that story, right?
	So the concealed carry guy, his name is Elijah Dickens.
	Oh, that's right.
	Yeah, and a shooting drill is named after him.
	It's now called the Dickens drill.
	You know, I forget the exact detail.
	Let's see, I'm looking it up right now.
	So, you know, he fired, it looks like he fired 10 rounds of At 40 yards, if I remember the distance, I mean, this is...
	40 yards, right?
	This is almost half of a football field away, right?
	40 yards, Ten rounds and eight rounds hit the shooter.
	That's remarkable.
	Right?
	With a pistol.
	I mean, with a pistol, exactly.
	I mean, that is phenomenal, even for trained marksmen and experienced competition shooters like me.
	I mean, that is phenomenal.
	And to do that under real-life stress...
	And I mean, you know, table stakes are just like, I mean, I couldn't be greater.
	But yeah, Elijah Dickens, you know, such a humble guy.
	Yes, saved a lot of people.
	And this is where training definitely comes into play.
	You know, I mean, you've got to train.
	You can't just buy a firearm, not train with it, and think that it's going to be useful for you when it is necessary, right?
	Right, right.
	Training is everything, yeah.
	Marksmanship is a perishable skill, just like any other skill set.
	If you're a gun owner, get out and train.
	I have to train all the time, just like everybody else.
	Training, it's super important.
	Wow, yeah, it must be hard to train in San Francisco, but I'm able to go to all these outdoor ranges or other people's places and shoot with other people who have ranges right on their property, like private ranges.
	On any given weekend in Texas, I hear lots of gunfire, by the way.
	To me, it's like the sound of liberty.
	Love it.
	And sometimes I hear full-auto weapons, too, by the way.
	I don't even know where they're coming from, but some folks out here have some full-auto, and I guess they have enough money to burn because the ammo is quite pricey.
	Are you doing okay on time?
	You got a few more minutes?
	Yeah, I can hang out, yeah.
	Okay, great.
	Let me ask you a cultural question, because you mentioned you're gay, and there was a time in America when that phrase, like, in the closet, often referred to people who were gay, and they didn't want other people to find out they were gay.
	Now, like, you know, maybe that hasn't been the case for a very long time, and certainly in San Francisco, or even most of the country, you know, that's not a closet issue anymore, but...
	But now you were saying that, you know, being a firearms advocate and living in a place like San Francisco or the West Coast, that's kind of an in-the-closet type of issue now.
	Do you find that interesting, being that you're both gay and a Second Amendment advocate, that the tables have kind of turned on what's okay socially to talk about and now what's not okay socially?
	Are there any comments on that?
	Yeah, it's...
	You know, I think one of my problems with politics in general and, you know, our oversimplification of, you know, the political parties, right?
	You're either Republican or a Democrat, or you're conservative, you're a liberal, and if whatever sort of label you try, but you decide to choose, you're supposed to check certain boxes, right?
	Right.
	Or against, right, certain things.
	Right.
	And that's just not how I view things, right?
	I like to think of myself as a free independent thinker that, you know, I'm going to research the issues and I will make an informed decision about whatever the issue is But I'm not going to just simply check all the boxes in the Republican column just because, yes, I'm conservative.
	But no, I'm not conservative on everything.
	But here's the interesting rub.
	I believe in small government.
	I believe the government should more or less stay out of our lives unless they really need to.
	And LGBT rights are one of the things that I don't think the government really has any real interest or need to.
	To intervene most of the times.
	Obviously, there's some exceptions, but I think to your point and the question, gun owners, we come from all walks of life.
	And for LGBT gun owners, look, like, If you're LGBT and you're already a gun owner, you know that there are constant threats, right, in many parts of our country against the gay community.
	And having a firearm is a very good way to defend yourself.
	Now, if you're LGBT and don't have a firearm, hopefully, at least every gay person knows the threat, right?
	They know the threat itself.
	But what they don't always think about is, well, how am I going to protect myself, right, if I ever come in a situation where I'm under attack?
	Can I ask you here, and this is truly genuine, and I've said publicly many times, I think that every person, LGBT or otherwise, has the right to defend themselves and should be proficient in self-defense, and I think that's a universal thing.
	So that's everywhere.
	But you were just mentioning that...
	People who are gay have, I guess you were implying that there are threats against them.
	Now, honestly, maybe it's just the circles that I run in.
	I never hear any talk, and I'm in rural Texas, I never hear any talk here of anybody saying, oh, let's go out and hunt them gays or anything crazy like that, like redneck gay hunting talk or whatever.
	I've never heard that in my life.
	And also, I've never heard anybody use the N-word as being redneck racist stuff.
	I've never heard that at all.
	But that's just my experience.
	And maybe that says something that I don't hang out with crazy, racist, murderous people, which is a good thing.
	Which is good.
	Right, which is good.
	But is that a real thing?
	I mean, do people who are gay, are they really subject to just anti-gay violence?
	Yeah, I mean, if you look at the numbers, if you look into stories that hit the media, you have LGBT Americans who are getting attacked, injured, and killed.
	I mean, it's a pretty...
	It's a pretty constant thing, and it's really scary and unfortunate to say that.
	It's something that you're probably not going to see it on the mainstream news every day, right, kind of thing, but if you look at certain outlets that track these kind of attacks, they're there, and the numbers are there as well.
	Something else that's been so interesting in general that's happened over the past few years, and a little bit of this is social media and the internet, and some of this is COVID-related, I think.
	But, you know, there's more and more people who are saying the quiet parts out loud.
	And I mean that in a general sense, and in a very specific sense to this topic, right?
	Yeah.
	I would say a lot of people in the past used to hold decorum and respect by keeping, if you had racist or homophobic or misogynistic tendencies or thoughts, you used to not say them out loud.
	You used to just sort of Let's have a polite society, right?
	But more and more often, we see more of these really hateful and vile comments not just come out online, but I've heard them in person.
	I've heard a lot of homophobic, bigoted remarks in person.
	I mean, these aren't my friends, but I'll be at other events, social things across the country.
	And they're rare, sure.
	Thankfully, I can say they're rare.
	But I've heard them.
	I mean, I've seen it.
	And, you know, and I think you never know how safe you really are.
	I mean, that's, I think, kind of an unfortunate truth is, you know, there's always...
	Along those lines, I mean, it's fascinating that you mentioned that because I do see an escalation of rhetoric kind of from every direction.
	So there's...
	You know, there are elements in society that are discriminating against Asians.
	For example, the California University System specifically penalizes Asian applicants for being Asian.
	Like, that's just straight up racism.
	It's crazy.
	And, you know, I'm married to an ethnic Asian woman.
	And, you know, I lived in Taiwan, and so I know a lot about that community.
	And Asian people tend to be very academically capable and gifted.
	And it's the craziest thing in the world to see that they're punished for that.
	And then at the same time, we see a lot of programs that specifically exclude white people today.
	And I've seen a lot of lawsuits about this.
	For example, grants or job opportunities in certain governments that say, you know, we welcome, let's say, just people of color.
	But no whites allowed, essentially.
	Or even university spaces that are no whites allowed.
	And then we see, you know, there's a lot of conflict between specifically trans and conservative groups and religious groups and so on.
	There's quite a lot of escalation happening in that space.
	So it does seem to me, I mean, I agree with you, there's a lot of escalation happening in society.
	But don't you think, Chris, that Like, some of that is really contrived.
	Like, we the people, I think, can just get along with each other and be cool and live together in a country, but some of this seems to be kind of provoked.
	Do you see that?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And I think the...
	I'm a technologist, right?
	And I love technology.
	I think the internet is amazing.
	But I also do think that the internet has definitely unleashed this dark side in people, right?
	Where they're keyboard commandos, right?
	People say things online that they would never say to somebody to their face and in person.
	Yeah, and so on some level, right, the internet is not real, as I like to sometimes say to myself, right?
	It's like you, right?
	You hear some of the things that people say, the comments that they write.
	It's like, this just, on some level, it's contrived, right?
	It's like people, like, venting, and yes, they're saying all sorts of vile things.
	But, you know, I don't consider the internet real life, right?
	Real life for me is being in person, right?
	Being physically present with People, right?
	And that's my real experience.
	That's the lived human condition and experience of being around people and we're not just talking at and past each other on the internet.
	Right, right.
	And anonymity tends to embolden a lot of people.
	If they think that they can't be found out, then they tend to say sometimes super crazy things.
	And then sometimes, I mean, look, I've said a lot of things.
	I've been outraged by a lot of things, but I'm talking in generalities, not about specific people typically, unless some super crazy person has done something super crazy.
	Sure.
	I really respect what you just said and I think that we need to learn to live in a de-escalated type of environment both online and also in real life because we don't want shootings.
	We don't even want to have to engage in a self-defense shooting.
	We don't want law enforcement to be subjected to threats of mass shooters, but we also want our Second Amendment rights, our personal liberties.
	In fact, we demand those things.
	That's the basis of our society.
	So any final thoughts, Chris, or comments or anything you want to add?
	Yeah, I guess a final thought on this topic is, you know, in grad school, I studied conflict resolution.
	And, you know, although my focus was nation states and political leaders engaging in conflict resolution, you know, the core principles are still the same if it's still a person to person.
	Right.
	And and I think what's what's very concerning to me is, right, we're seeing issues.
	Increased polarization and tribalism these days, where basically people, they all go into their echo chambers, that they surround themselves with people who agree with them all the time.
	I know that might feel good on some level to have people reaffirming the things that you believe in, but I believe that only serves to polarize us further.
	And what we need is to engage people that we disagree with, know some conflict resolution skills, right?
	Because this is about us trying to coexist peacefully and Even if we disagree on any number of issues, right?
	We just cannot have a United States of America if we are so divided on all of these social and political issues.
	We can disagree, right?
	But we can't let it divide us, right?
	We have to stay strong, and the way we do that is we have to respect each other and also be willing to openly discuss solutions and maybe use the dirty word compromise.
	I know nobody likes to hear that word compromise, but that's kind of the old-school way of doing things, right?
	It wasn't always a zero-sum game of zero or one.
	So I really want to encourage people, I think, to think about Not just conflict resolution, but boy, you know, just be kind and be compassionate and be patient with each other because I think those are going to be some key ingredients to our success of getting ourselves to the other side of this darkness, I think, that has enveloped our country.
	And I want to get out of this as quickly as everybody else wants.
	Yeah, I think, Chris, I really appreciate the maturity that you bring to this conversation.
	You've clearly thought through a lot of these issues, and I think that your voice and your message is something that can be very healing for America, and that's why I really appreciate you coming on.
	I mean, you and I had never spoken before, and here you are, a great guest.
	We've had a great conversation.
	I can't thank you enough.
	It's been really wonderful.
	Yeah, I appreciate your time, and I hope your listeners find this chat interesting, and yeah, thanks again for having me on.
	Well, absolutely.
	I'm sure they will.
	Let me give out your website one more time, topshotchris.com.
	Oh, one more question, Chris.
	Sure, thanks.
	What pistol would you carry once you get your CC? If you're willing to talk, like, what's your favorite self-defense pistol?
	I'm just curious.
	Yeah, so when my CCW gets approved, I'll most likely be carrying a Glock 43.
	It's a single stack, 9mm.
	Reason for me is I typically like to wear slimmer clothes and more of a tighter fit.
	You know, double stack or anything kind of thicker than a single stack might not be compatible with my dress style, but yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm going to start with the Glock 43, and we'll progress from there.
	I've got a Glock 19 also, so that might be my ultimate carry gun, but you know...
	Yeah, the 19 might print a little more, a little thicker.
	I would say, have you ever shot the Sig 365, the P365? Great pistol.
	Yeah, the 365, another great pistol.
	The problem is, can't get it here in California.
	This is one of the biggest problems of our gun control laws.
	You can't get SIGs.
	Unsafe handgun roster.
	You can't get any new SIGs.
	We can only get, basically, older SIGs are permitted.
	All the new stuff, you know, it's verboten in California.
	Well, Chris, I'll tell you what.
	In the next 30 days, I'll go out, I will buy another SIG in your name here in Texas.
	Thank you.
	Just to give SIG the business, I'll get the X, what is it, the X macro, the 365 TAC Ops.
	How about that?
	Get one of those.
	I love it.
	I'll get it in your name.
	That's a great choice.
	Okay.
	Appreciate it.
	You can never have enough pistols.
	But thank you, Chris.
	Thanks for joining me.
	It's been a lot of fun.
	Thanks again.
	All right.
	And for those of you watching, I hope you enjoyed this interview.
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	God bless you all.
	God bless America.
	Take care.
	Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams from Brighteon, of course, the founder of Brighteon.
	And free speech is what we're all about, but also about teaching self-reliance.
	And our special guest today is one of my favorite people of all time, Marjorie Wildcraft, who teaches people how to grow food easily, really efficiently, in a small amount of space.
	And she joins us again.
	It's been too long since we've had you on, Marjorie.
	Welcome to the show.
	It's always great to have you back.
	More than ever, it's vitally important that you start growing your own food.
	So we got the solutions.
	Well, I completely agree with you.
	Let me just give out the website where people can learn more about you while we're talking.
	It's icangrowfood.com.
	I've even got it up on my screen here.
	And people can go there and they can register and get a video?
	Or what exactly do they get if they register?
	That's a webinar, and in that webinar, I'll teach you a very simple three-part system that everybody needs to start with if you're a beginning food grower.
	And this is targeted for people who have no experience, they're older, maybe they're out of shape.
	And you will walk away with a plan for how to grow half of your own food in a space about the size of three parking spots.
	And no matter where you live, on what continent or where you are, you'll know what to do to get started immediately after you finish that webinar.
	So you'll have very simple one, two, three steps, be able to produce a lot of calories and a lot of nutrition, even in a grid-down situation.
	So that's what they'll get from the webinar.
	Well, that sounds fantastic.
	And I would mention kind of the urgency of the situation because right now, at least in the northern hemisphere, it's a good time to be planting and growing food.
	food.
	Secondly, we've had other guests on recently, like Patriot Green Products.
	Yes, Kevin.
	Yeah, Kevin is great, and he gave me some compost to play with, and I've got some potatoes in there, and I'm telling you, if you have the right materials, which you also teach compost, I'll ask you that in a second, but if you have the right materials, growing it is so easy, it's almost impossible to fail if you have any clue what you're doing, but you teach people about all kinds of compost sources too, don't you?
	Fertility and continuing the fertility is exactly, that's the most important part of it, so, you know, Creating your own fertilizer.
	And the cool thing is that your own homegrown fertilizers are going to be far superior to anything you can buy, just like your own homegrown food is superior to anything you can buy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, exactly.
	And, you know, Kevin's Compost, I don't know if you saw that interview, but it's from the 2011 Lost Pines fires in central Texas.
	And then the feds came in and they cleared out all these pine trees.
	They mulched them.
	And then that mulch has been composting for, what, 12 years now, and that's the compost that we got.
	It's, like, totally natural, no pesticides, you know, no heavy metals.
	I mean, it's great stuff.
	It's beautiful stuff.
	I'm like, Kevin, it's a shame you can't do this, like, nationwide, because, you know, limited to transport.
	But yeah, he has really good stuff.
	And that's a secret to a green thumb.
	I've been doing so many podcasts, it's crazy, because...
	I think the whole world all of a sudden knows, like, this is it.
	This is it, you know.
	And they're all like, come on, Marsha, you can come on.
	And like, I've never grown anything and everything dies.
	I'm like, look, here's the secret to a green thumb.
	It's really good soil, you know, as alive, microbially rich, mineral rich soil.
	And you're right, when you get it going, it's easy.
	It's really easy.
	Yeah, and you know, let's talk about health too, because I hope you don't mind me saying, but every time you come on, you seem to be younger than the time before.
	Oh, thank you, yeah.
	I don't know.
	I mean, no, seriously, you're like five years younger than the last time we had you on.
	Is that, like, to what do you attribute that?
	I attribute that, yeah, to eating a lot of homegrown food for the past 25 years.
	And yeah, I just turned 60, if you can believe it.
	So I feel great, man.
	I'm training in jiu-jitsu and I'm kicking ass with these younger guys.
	It's kind of fun.
	That's awesome.
	Because you're a hands-on person, so you're out there in the soil with the plants.
	Are you raising rabbits right now there?
	Yeah.
	Not right now.
	Yeah, I'm in the middle of a...
	I just moved here.
	I'm building community, though.
	And, you know, barefooting all the time, wildcrafting, working in the community.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, and I'm still trying...
	I know I'm feeling so vulnerable right now because I don't have the homestead that I want to be in, and I'm still working to find that.
	But there's no excuse for not being able to grow food, no matter where you are or what the situation is.
	And I'm definitely...
	I even was doing guerrilla gardening.
	There was a strip of land that the...
	Government ad, and I just started growing food on it.
	Like, whatever.
	Took a pickaxe out there and had a great garden for a while.
	It was great, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Well, a lot more people are going to be doing that.
	But let me ask you about, you know, there's a lot more awareness all of a sudden about the potential of vaccines in the food supply.
	So mRNA in pork products and in cattle, and the Cattlemen's Group put out a statement, or at least one group did, that said there's currently not any mRNA in beef, but they're looking at it.
	It might be in beef next week.
	Who knows?
	But then vegetables, because there are technologies they can use, for example, RNA interference technologies in vegetables.
	Have you seen a lot of increase in people's awareness of maybe weird technologies?
	Yeah, people are super concerned about that.
	Then we also have the train crash in Ohio dumping all those dioxins, and it's not just in Palestine.
	It's throughout Ohio, Pennsylvania, upstate New York, and it's mostly taken up in fat, which that area is well known for eggs, butter, cheese, meat, and the concern about those products and the contamination.
	But honestly, Mike, The whole food supply has been toxic for years, if not decades.
	It has.
	You know, I mean, we've got the GMOs, we've got the pesticides.
	I'm glad that people are worried about the mRNA vaccines now, but honestly, there's so much else in there.
	We used to say, oh, be a perimeter shopper in the grocery store and you'll be safe.
	Now there's like nothing in that store that is really going to be good to give you any nourishment.
	Well, yeah, I mean, okay, you mentioned nourishment, but, you know, I'm thinking pesticides and the mRNA and all that, but you're also right that a lot of the foods are devoid of real nutrition because they're grown in a very shallow kind of way, right?
	Just the NPK to make it green and make it look like a piece of broccoli.
	But it doesn't have the same, for example, trace minerals that come out of a local plot that's got better quality soil.
	Not to mention the nutritional value of, for example, when you pick something there locally, like when you pick your tomatoes, they're more fully ripened.
	Where the grocery store, they're picking tomatoes, they're green, and then they often artificially ripen them with chemicals or what have you.
	And it's like, is this really a tomato?
	I'm not sure.
	What is this?
	Yeah, when you taste it, you'll know it's not a tomato.
	Not if you've eaten any homegrown tomatoes.
	Yeah, that's the other thing people are surprised about this.
	When you start growing your own food, your taste buds, your body knows that deep mineral content.
	And when you're eating food that has that mineral content in it, there's something that comes alive in you.
	And the tastes are just spectacular.
	Well, yeah...
	And I was reminded, I was shopping one time and I saw, have you seen where they have a bunch of tomatoes with a piece of vine and then they call it vine ripened tomatoes?
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Come on, that's marketing fraud.
	You cut the vine off with the green tomatoes and then you ship that to the grocery store.
	Vine ripened is supposed to mean that it's ripened when the vine is still living.
	His vine is still in the ground.
	In the ground!
	Yeah, right, yeah.
	Yeah, but they play all these games with us, you know?
	Yeah.
	Mike, way beyond that, we have a crisis that's happening right now, and I follow quite a few folks on Brighteon, and David Dubine, his channel, Adapt2030.com, He follows very closely the global agricultural production, and we are in a world of hurt.
	And then I know you know lots of other, and yourself also, the financial system.
	De-dollarization is happening, and that whole Sandman 2.0, we just don't know, is that going to be days or weeks?
	It will certainly be within months that everything just becomes unaffordable because the dollar has lost all of its value.
	It's more vitally important.
	I'd also like to stress that the early adopters have the advantage.
	So you getting going right now and everybody who's listening getting out right now, you can still buy laying hens for like $25 a hen or $30 a hen.
	I bought them for less than that in Central Texas.
	I paid like $15, I think.
	That's fantastic.
	You know what?
	As this crisis deepens, you know, I don't know if you remember in 2020, laying hens went like to $100.
	But as the dollar devaluates, you're not going to be able to buy laying hens.
	I love that one meme that was going around where there was this Rhode Island Red sitting on her clutch of eggs.
	They were going, she's richer than Elon Musk.
	Right, when egg prices were going crazy.
	Egg prices were going nuts.
	They've settled down a little bit, but they haven't really, you know, that's going to be gone.
	I really, you know, so...
	Getting started right now, you're going to have an advantage, and you're going to need that advantage.
	I also really recommend to people, like right now, this is something you can handle this afternoon, and that is go get some calories.
	And I love the Ranger buckets.
	I definitely have sent them to my kids.
	That's great.
	I think people need to target about a million calories per person per year.
	And if you're like really on a budget, And you just can't afford anything, go to Costco or Sam's Club, and I just priced this out a few minutes ago before the show.
	10 bags of beans, 50-pound bags, and 10 bags of rice, 50-pound bags of rice that cost you about $750, and that's a million calories.
	You know, go do that right now.
	Just go buy that right now.
	And even if you don't eat, like I don't really eat rice or beans that much, honestly...
	It's calories.
	The calorie is going to be the next unit of currency.
	You'll be able to trade that for all kinds of things.
	Really important point.
	The calorie is the currency.
	I think you're absolutely right.
	And don't forget to protect those calories too, right?
	So if you go get these bags of beans and rice, rodents can get them.
	So you need to pack them in five-gallon pails.
	Or the best thing that I find, but then again, I have access to these 55-gallon drums Our store operation.
	But we get these 55-gallon drums with full-size lids that have a steel band around the top.
	And I can just take bags of beans and rice and I can just drop them in this 55-gallon drum.
	And then what I've found as a functioning oxygen absorber, have you heard me talk about this?
	You can take those hand warmers.
	Oh yeah, right, because they use up the oxygen.
	They use up the oxygen, yeah.
	That's a great idea.
	Just take about 10 hand warmers and you pop them in there, close the lid, it's airtight, boom.
	The hand warmers eat all the oxygen.
	Now you have an oxygen-free, non-oxidative environment for your stored food in a rodent-proof barrel.
	Throw some cat litter in there just to absorb any extra moisture.
	There you go.
	A handful of cat litter, yeah.
	I also, another thing I found, if people can't, you know, metal garbage cans with a tight-fitting lid can also work well, and maybe even sealing it with a bit of a window latex sealer just for a little extra moisture protection, but that definitely keeps rodents out.
	But it's vitally important, as there is a global famine that is being orchestrated, And I'm deeply concerned.
	The SNAP payments, as you're well aware, there was a 15% increase that they did in 2020 for the whole COVID experience.
	And then that expired in early March.
	So basically the COVID payments or the SNAP payments, which is the welfare food system, They've reduced the payments to people.
	But the price of food has gone up way more than 15% in the last three years.
	Oh, yeah.
	Are you kidding me?
	And these people are the people that are on the margin.
	I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a lot more violence breaking out.
	And this would be real violence, not the violence that's paid for by whoever.
	This would be real violence because...
	People aren't making it.
	They aren't making it.
	And I predict that that's going to be breaking out very soon.
	The fundamental reason is because they don't have food to eat.
	Well, you're not kidding.
	Let me give out your website one more time, icangrowfood.com.
	Folks, that's where you go and...
	You will learn.
	You'll get the webinar.
	You'll learn how to grow food very easily, very efficiently.
	Marjorie's information has helped thousands, maybe tens of thousands of our viewers learn how to grow and become more self-reliant.
	In the meantime, yeah, definitely store some food so that you have kind of a buffer.
	But stored food can only go so far, right?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	But that's something you can handle just in a few hours this afternoon.
	And I really recommend you do that.
	Then the next thing is, and this is what we talk about in depth in the webinar, but I want to give the thumbnail so people have some understanding.
	And that is a small flock of backyard chickens is what I recommend next.
	And six laying hens.
	A laying hen will lay about 250 eggs in a year.
	They do need some time off when it's too hot or too cold, and they also need to molt their feathers, so it's not 365 eggs, 250 eggs a year.
	But if you think about it, six laying hens, 250 eggs, that's 1,500 eggs a year.
	So that means you could have three egg omelets for breakfast every day of the year, plus you'll have 33 dozen eggs to either eat and other things or give away or barter and trade.
	You have breakfast handled.
	You can pick up six laying hens.
	You can build the coupon run.
	I've got the plans and what it would look like in the webinar.
	You can build that, you know, in a couple of weekends.
	It wouldn't take long at all.
	Go buy the hens.
	Go get some food.
	You can basically be having egg production within just a few weeks in your backyard, and it's a significant amount of calories.
	It's breakfast every day, right?
	Yeah, good point.
	And if you have extra eggs, like I do, I give my dogs a raw egg every couple of days.
	They get a raw egg on top of the other food, and their coats are really thick and shiny.
	Where's Rody?
	He's around here somewhere.
	Oh, I've seen him on some of your shows.
	Yeah, he's adorable.
	And I do recommend dogs for protection.
	And honestly, when I was running the homestead in Texas, we had two dogs.
	And I like medium-sized dogs.
	I don't want big ones because you have to feed the dog, too.
	And I don't like too small.
	And I had two medium-sized dogs, so they could handle...
	The raccoon or the water, you know, some of the coyotes.
	But if a big pack of pigs came up, they weren't going to be able to handle them, but they would bark enough that I'd be out there with a shotgun and then we wouldn't have a pig problem.
	We'd actually have a bacon opportunity.
	But yeah, you know, I fed my dogs entirely from...
	A backyard food production system, which eggs were a part of their diet, as well as entrails from rabbits and other things.
	So you can totally feed your dogs.
	Did you hear my story about one of my dogs being the bunny gobbler?
	No!
	Yeah, she's a small dog, and somehow she's an expert at digging up these really small bunnies, the ones that are only like this big.
	Oh, the little cottontail.
	Yeah, and she'll dig them up and grab them, and the bunny is like sideways in the dog's mouth, and I'll say, oh, drop it, drop it, and she goes, oh!
	And just swallows the entire bunny whole.
	And so she has the name Bunny Gobbler.
	And I've seen her do that now three times.
	I'm like, my goodness.
	But see, the point of that is, obviously dogs are predators.
	And if I can't feed these dogs because of a food scarcity issue, I know they're going to go out and hunt.
	They're going to find hogs and rabbits and who knows what.
	Yeah, they'll figure it out.
	I actually had some really good, I like part Pyrenees dogs because they're bred for hundreds of years to be protectors.
	And mine would actually go, like if a bunny got loose, it would go pick the bunny up and gently carry it and bring it back to me.
	But unfortunately, the rabbit was so traumatized, even though it wasn't hurt, it was so traumatized by being in a dog's jaw that it often would die just from that.
	That's crazy.
	So it's unfortunate.
	But yeah, the dog's We're always there, you know, if you have a litter, what they call it, a kindle of baby bunnies, and occasionally one dies because it's just small or born that way, and the dogs were always hanging out there looking for that appetizer, you know, they were, yeah, okay, she got one for us, so...
	Okay, wow.
	Well, Marjorie, let's move on to some other topics.
	Let's talk about seed saving.
	So I know you teach this principle, but how critical is this right now, given that we're about to move into a central bank digital currency, you know, Orwellian prison state system, at least that's what all the governments are pushing for.
	What if they don't allow you to buy seeds because they control your wallet?
	So how critical is it to learn how to save seeds and have a local network for trading seeds?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	That's another one of the many, many skills.
	In the meantime, just like backup food production, I would buy a bunch of seeds.
	And, yeah, the seed saving thing is absolutely why you need to build community, too, is because you're not going to be able to save all the seeds for all the different things you want to grow.
	And you need a network of people doing that.
	So I really strongly get involved right now with different master gardener groups or other prepping cells.
	Or maybe you and I can do a whole talk on, because I have built self-reliant communities.
	Find, like, my unminded neighbors and build a self-reliant community very quickly.
	And maybe we can do a whole other show on that sometime.
	But these are vitally, vitally important.
	And the knowledge of saving seeds is, and again, this is, I want to remind everybody that you're probably your grandparents, maybe, well, certainly your great grandparents on back, they all did this stuff.
	A lot of them did not know how to read and they certainly didn't have Google.
	And they still did it.
	And they still did it.
	This stuff is not rocket science.
	In fact, I was talking to you earlier.
	I really think that this whole, there's a meme or an idea going around the world that growing food is hard work and you're going to become a migrant worker and you're going to slave all day just to get a tomato.
	It's totally untrue.
	It's a total PSYOP. They don't want you growing food.
	I've done a whole series of interviews, like, I don't know, several dozen interviews, very, very high-level people.
	So this would be, well, like yourself, like somebody who's running a very big, successful business.
	One was a healthcare industry executive with a division of 2,000 people, a couple of tech startups who budget to $25 million, and they're doing some crazy tech startup thing.
	They all grew their own food.
	They spent anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes a day doing it.
	And every single one of them said that was the most pleasurable part of their day.
	Oh, yeah.
	That was the most fulfilling thing that they did.
	I feel the same way.
	It's like a vacation to be able to work with plants and just moving soil around, planting seeds, watching the sprouts, harvesting the leaves.
	I grow stuff for my smoothies and I just stuff it into the smoothies, my green smoothies.
	You've seen these.
	I don't have to show you.
	It's so amazing just to think, wow, Mother Nature provides this for free.
	You don't have to pay a royalty.
	You don't have to get a prescription.
	Sunlight's free.
	Rainwater's free.
	The dirt is there.
	The seeds reproduce for free.
	It's like, this is the basis of human civilization right here.
	This is it.
	It's something we innately want to do.
	I had a whole crisis is how I came into doing this.
	I tell you what, I am so grateful for Every day, when I had this huge wake-up call and said, I've got to grow food, which was not at all a part of my worldview, I love it so much, and it's so wonderful, and just like you're saying, every one of these really high-level, high-tech people just, it's amazing, and it's really, really fulfilling.
	So, It's a whole psyop.
	It's kind of like the whole COVID experience or the 9-11 thing or all these other big psychological operations that we've been living under for years.
	Well, it's the same SIOP as medicine.
	You know, the SIOP is, oh, you can't treat yourself.
	You can't prevent disease.
	There's nothing you could have done to prevent whatever cancer, diabetes, heart disease.
	Are you kidding me?
	That's a giant lie.
	There's all kinds of things that you can do.
	But it's the same thing with food.
	It's medicine.
	It's education.
	Oh, you can't homeschool your children.
	Yes, we can.
	People are doing it every day all over the place.
	In fact, it's a far superior education.
	So I'm glad you brought that up, Marjorie, because...
	We can take back our power just by deciding to do so.
	We can grow more food.
	We can do more home medicine.
	We can do home education.
	And it's actually better.
	The results are better than any centralized system, period.
	Absolutely.
	And, you know, as I was saying, your own homemade compost is far superior to anything you can buy.
	Your own homegrown food is far superior to anything you can buy.
	And I definitely want to acknowledge all the local farmers, and you definitely want to support them.
	But honestly, your own food is going to be far superior.
	And honestly, Mike, I don't think you're going to make it through this decade if you're not growing some of your own food.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	You're going to need that extra buffer.
	But along those lines, let me ask you this.
	We have seen now more and more retailers leaving the blue cities because of rampant shoplifting and the unwillingness in those cities to have law enforcement enforce any laws.
	So shoplifting is essentially perfectly legal now in California, in Oregon, in Washington State.
	People can go and just steal up to $1,000 worth of stuff and walk out.
	And there's video circulating of Target stores with everything locked up behind locked cabinets now.
	But retailers are just leaving.
	So what happens, Marjorie, when grocery stores, when they're tired of the looting in the meat section, because there's a lot of value there in meat products, and they just say, you know what, we're just not going to operate here.
	Just close up shop and leave, and then there's no place to get food.
	Locally.
	Is that day coming?
	That day is absolutely coming.
	And as you've pointed out, in a lot of places on the West Coast, especially, that day is already here.
	Those people do not have access to food.
	But again, with the dollar-de-dollarization, it's soon going to be like, even if they have food, are you going to be able to afford it?
	You know, $1,000 for a cup of coffee, $10,000 for a pound of meat.
	And that has happened over and over and over again historically, so this is not something we're making up.
	For example, Weimar Germany At the beginning, I believe it was 1922, a dozen eggs was like three marks.
	By the end of that year, it was over a billion marks for a dozen eggs.
	You know, it happens really, really quickly.
	Like, the main part of the hyperinflation in Weimar Germany was in nine months, was when everything was utterly destroyed.
	And now, we live in a world, you know, SVB bank, right?
	That run on that bank that Thursday...
	In the 10 hours they were open, I think it was $42 billion.
	It's like a million dollars a second was withdrawn out of that bank.
	So we live in a time when things can happen astronomically.
	I'm glad you bring that up because you're speaking about the logarithmic curve response to real-time events.
	And as the saying goes, the failure happens slowly at first and then all at once.
	And that's describing the logarithmic curve of collapse, frankly.
	And you just mentioned it with Silicon Valley Bank.
	The same thing can happen with currency.
	You know, what happens if we wake up one day, Marjorie, and Saudi Arabia...
	You know, they've been doing all kinds of deals with Russia and China and Iran and whoever.
	And we wake up one day and 100 countries just say, guess what?
	We don't like the dollar anymore because the U.S. is run by lunatics and they've weaponized the currency and none of us want dollars.
	Like, within 12 hours, your grocery prices are going to go 1,000% higher, you know, and with no end in sight when that day comes.
	Yes.
	And, I mean, that's the whole Sandman 2.0 type conspiracy theory, which now starts to become theory and then eventually seems to come fact.
	Yes.
	But that's, you know, and we're there.
	Saudi Arabia has already publicly announced they want to become a part of BRICS and start selling oil.
	I think they already have in all sorts of U.S. dollars.
	They are.
	I mean, the writing is on the wall.
	And even if you're not, okay, I'm not going to do this today, watch the webinar and say, okay, well, I know I'm going to need this much chicken wire, and I'm going to need this kind of fencing, and I'm going to need these kind of supplies.
	Go buy the supplies, even if you're not ready to do the livestock.
	In fact, I'm starting to stock up on fencing and You know, nails and all the stuff you need, the waterers and things like that, just because I know beyond my own needs, I'm going to be wanting to help people in my community and my family and a larger circle.
	For all the people, you can't actually have enough food to feed if you can help them get started with the things that you need.
	It's astonishing.
	We all saw this during 2020.
	How quickly did toilet paper disappear?
	It's a terrible thing that people went nuts over toilet paper.
	You've seen how fast things can deteriorate.
	We're on that precipice.
	We are on that knee where it just starts to go crazy.
	You know, we're there.
	And I know you know this.
	I know everybody watching this knows this.
	And this, fortunately, is some action that you can do.
	And a lot of these things I can't control.
	Can I control what Saudi Arabia does or Biden or anything?
	I can't handle all those geopolitical things.
	But I can grow my own food.
	I can buy some seeds.
	I can get soil.
	I can build raised beds.
	I can go get a chicken coop.
	I can build some rabbit tractors.
	I can start providing for myself that way.
	I can start making my own medicine.
	These are things that I absolutely can do and have control over and will better me in so many other ways.
	I really want to say to people that I know I got into this because I was freaked out.
	But as you do it, it's so empowering and so enlivening and the spiritual connection is amazing.
	You're working with your hands directly with forces of creation and magical things happen.
	So I want to...
	It's transformative.
	Yeah, it is.
	Yeah, and you bring up something really important I want to mention, but let me give out your website one more time, icangrowfood.com.
	That's the site where you can register, you can watch the full webinar.
	And again, like Marjorie just said, even if you don't have time to start doing this right now, watch the webinar.
	And make a list of things you need to acquire so that you have those things.
	Now, I want to mention the supply chain has been very problematic for the last three years.
	And a lot of the gardening supplies, garden tools in particular, most of them come out of China.
	We might be in a war with China over Taiwan sometime very soon.
	We don't know when.
	If that happens, there will likely be no more exports out of China for some period of time.
	And the other issue is that I've noticed over the years that the garden tools have become cheaper and less reliable, just garbage, that you find at Walmart, for example, or a Target.
	Like, those shovels don't last.
	Are you kidding me?
	They're thin.
	The metal is...
	It's not good metal.
	It breaks, you know.
	You need to get some high-quality garden tools that you only have to buy once for 20 years.
	And that requires a little bit of research, and it requires some money.
	They're more expensive, but it's a very good investment, in my opinion.
	Marjorie?
	Or another way to do it that's a little bit more inexpensive, Mike, is to auction.
	Auction sales, garage sales.
	Absolutely.
	There's lots of ways to do this without spending a lot of money.
	And even when you go to those garage sales or something, if somebody's got like a jar of screws or nuts or bolts that, you know, we all have these jars of stuff that we're in the garage and we're going to get rid of, that's valuable, you know?
	That kind of hardware is important and will be useful at some point in time.
	So I'm not a hoarder, but it's definitely a time to gather physical things that have inherent value and usefulness.
	So tools.
	Absolutely.
	I saw a garage sale here in Central Texas just popped in, and they had these slightly rusted chains.
	I mean, like big chains that you use to clamp down equipment on a trailer.
	And it was like 30-foot chains for $5.
	Yeah.
	I'll take them all.
	I mean, how many do you have?
	I'm never going to get chains for five bucks ever again.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you try to get those now at retail and they're like $95.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	It's insane.
	And even at $95, it's cheaper than it's ever going to be going forward.
	Right.
	I was in Home Depot the other day, and I discovered angle grinders, which are these machines that cut through metal so easily.
	I'm like, why didn't I know about this all my life?
	And so I was waiting in the aisle there for the Home Depot guy to show me exactly which disc I needed for the thing I was buying.
	And while I was there, a couple of guys...
	Come cruising by, and they're like, the one friend is getting to the other one.
	He says, yeah, this is what you need.
	And the guy goes, well, that's one.
	He says, there's a 10-pack.
	And he goes, yeah, yeah, you should get the 10-pack.
	He goes, yeah, because it's never going to be cheaper.
	And so the guy grabs two 10-packs, and I'm thinking, there it is, you know.
	Or another story, I've been doing some Wim Hof stuff, and I was at a friend's.
	These are people I just know their acquaintances, and they get a big horse trough, and everybody brings a couple of bags of ice, and then you can sit in the three-minute or ten-minute freezing thing, and it's really good for your immune system.
	And I'm like, I'm going to do this while ice is still available.
	And I'm listening to them, and they're sitting chatting around the pool, and these are the kind of people that are like, oh, you know, did you go to that concert, and this band is playing tomorrow?
	And I'm like, oh, my God, I have nothing to say here.
	And I feel so bad because...
	I know what's coming, and they clearly don't.
	And I can't even broach the subject.
	And all these years I've been called such a crazy conspiracy theorist, I don't even want to broach the subject anymore.
	But one thing the conversation shifted to that definitely caught my attention was like, hey, have you noticed the price of food going up?
	Ha ha ha.
	And there they're talking about how, you know, a $12 meal at the restaurant is now $20 or that, you know, a pound of beef used to be a couple of dollars and now it's $10.
	I mean, it is becoming apparent to your average person who is completely unaware of what's going on.
	And that is a sure sign that We're on that curve where it's about to spike up.
	We indeed are, and isn't it bizarre that you could be called a conspiracy theorist for simply teaching people the need to grow their own food?
	We live in, really, food deserts.
	I mean, I remember interviewing you before, you were talking about how you were in Central Texas, you wanted to put together local farms to feed the local schools, and the farms didn't even exist.
	They don't.
	Yeah, that was the big wake-up call, was I found out there, you know, you're living in the city, you kind of have this idea, oh yeah, in the countryside we'll always be able to get food, and I had found out, no, there's very, very little food out in that countryside, and there's no plan B, you know?
	Right.
	There's four days' worth in the grocery stores, which we have all seen how quickly that can disappear.
	If food travels an average of 1,500 miles via a just-in-time trucking system...
	And I was living in Central Texas, surrounded by 20 million Americans who are armed, you know, Texans that are armed to the teeth.
	And by the end of it, I was armed to the teeth.
	Yeah, well, you know, if you live in Texas, you got to be armed to the teeth.
	You got to.
	It's just, you know, it's just part of the culture.
	But I could see the potential for a huge...
	It was a disaster, and it was the wake-up call for me.
	And I said, oh my God, you know, when you say, oh, somebody ought to work on that, you know who it is, right?
	Well, let me add this, though, Marjorie.
	There's another element to this that a lot of people haven't really considered.
	But across mainstream media, you have the, you know, electric reliability councils and national organizations and state or, you know, western power grid orgs and so on, talking about how the power grid will be less and less reliable.
	Yeah.
	are being shut down, and there are more electric cars being put on the grid, which puts a huge strain.
	The grid's not even designed for that.
	And we're going to have rolling blackouts.
	Yes.
	And when we have rolling blackouts, and this is my food question to you, Marjorie, when we have rolling blackouts, a grocery store loses its entire frozen food section.
	It does, yeah.
	And grocery stores don't have giant multi-million dollar generators in the back parking lot.
	They don't.
	It's not worth the investment.
	So after a certain time, I don't know if it's three hours or what, but when the thaw happens, they have to chuck all of it out.
	And Marjorie, there was an incident in Austin.
	I think it was a Costco.
	No, no, wait.
	It was an HEB, grocery store, where they lost electricity.
	It all went bad.
	They dumped all the frozen food in dumpsters.
	Somebody put on Craigslist, like, free food in the dumpsters behind HEB, right?
	And there was a crowd.
	There was a mob of hundreds of people, and they were fistfighting over the dumpster food in Austin freaking Texas.
	That happened.
	Wow.
	Yes.
	You know, I used to have a friend years ago that lived off of dumpster diving in Austin, and he would live in the Green Belts, and then, you know, he'd go to Whole Foods, used to have samples, and he'd get the free thing, and he had a $60 a month subscription to the YMCA so he could shower and stuff.
	And he lived extraordinarily well by living off of the dumpsters from the Whole Foods and the other places.
	And I said, you know, that's really great, but that's not going to last forever.
	Yeah.
	And now listening to you, it's not going to last at all.
	Yeah, well, you know, I mean, we had such excess and such largesse that people could, who were innovative, completely live off the system, just off the...
	Yeah, wow, what a great story.
	I totally believe that.
	I mean, that's like right here in Texas happening.
	So the final question, though, along those lines, Marjorie, is what would you say to the naysayers?
	Because I get this sometimes.
	I've had this over the years.
	Oh, everything's going to be fine.
	Nothing's going to go wrong.
	It's all good.
	Why are you spreading fear?
	You know, what would you say now to the naysayers?
	Because we're kind of well into the in-your-face phase of the collapse.
	What would you say now?
	Yeah, well, just, you know, I talk to people like, well, the next time you're at the grocery store and your jaw drops at the price of eggs, come back to me.
	I'll show you how to have free breakfast for life, you know.
	But we really are getting, I mean, even when I was telling you that story about being by the pool and I think that's why we're at that point in the curve where it's just about over,
	is because your average person is noticing that, hey, I go spend $100 and I get one little bag, whereas that used to be my week's groceries.
	It really is.
	We're really there, Mike.
	I do want to say I'm very, very hopeful.
	It's going to be horrible for a couple of years, maybe more, maybe a decade, because everything is collapsing all at once.
	Our financial systems, our food systems, our education systems, our transportation, our communication, everything that you can think of is collapsing.
	But it's all based on this crazy, you know, unfair, corrupt system.
	So the collapsing is a good thing.
	We are going to have to rebuild everything, but there's incredible opportunity there, too.
	Yeah, I completely agree with you.
	This collapse is, frankly, a necessary step to how we rebuild society in a way where power is distributed to we the people, where people are more self-reliant, and we don't have centrally controlled authorities lording over us and telling us what we can't do.
	Like, oh, you're not allowed to milk a cow and share it with your neighbors.
	Or trying to program us to believe this or the other.
	And to go back to the naysayers, honestly, I hate to be so blunt, but there are going to be a lot of people that just don't make it through this.
	They're not prepared.
	They don't have enough adaptability to change as the situation demands it.
	Well, maybe we could offer them a course in spontaneous cannibalism.
	Oh my God!
	No!
	You know, for those who didn't prepare, if you don't know how to grow food, if you don't have any food, guess what?
	There's this alternative that you might want to look into, spontaneous cannibalism.
	Okay, that's a bad joke, obviously.
	That's a really bad joke.
	Yeah, you know, honestly.
	People are going to eat each other, though.
	That's my point, because of the desperation.
	Right.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I do know.
	I've been in survival and preparedness circles for years, and everybody goes, Marjorie, would you eat?
	I said, you know, the average American is so toxic.
	Oh, yeah.
	I wouldn't.
	I wouldn't eat.
	The average American is...
	I mean, there's so many better options like wild hogs or what have you.
	Yeah.
	But folks, that's a joke, folks, the whole spontaneous cannibalism comment.
	People do go insane, though.
	They do.
	That's the point.
	Hunger makes people crazy.
	You know, Germany, I'm going to go back to Weimar, Germany again.
	And the Germans are, you know, the stout, you know, generally people are good people and they were really good people.
	people.
	But when they got into that situation where everything was just no longer available at any price, basically, they did.
	They would go crazy.
	And then they would go out into the countryside and they would just clearly be out of their minds, you know, trying to, you know, pillage from farmers.
	And the farmers themselves are like, these people were not, they were not in their right mind.
	So we, we, we, I genuinely believe that people are fundamentally good, and if you're in a community where you've been working with people ahead of time, again, we've got to come on and do the building community thing.
	I believe that there will be enough of that that we're going to do well, but we're going to have some There's going to be some bad elements that are going to have to be taken care of.
	Yeah, no, people are fundamentally good until they're starving.
	And that's just a fact of human history.
	I mean, all the special forces people know this.
	If you have a population you're trying to deal with and they're all starving to death, it's not going to go well.
	But maybe we should have, you know, your website, icangrowfood.com.
	I'm going to recommend a new name for you.
	Learn how to grow food so you don't have to eatyourneighbor.com.
	How about that?
	My team is already like, I think I'm about as bad as you are in terms of collecting URLs.
	Yeah.
	See, and that way, you know, people are like, what do we do now?
	Well, guess what?
	Here's the answer.
	But I do want to mention, we've just launched, by the way, something called Brighteon University.
	Which is all educational content that we have a new program each week.
	Registration is required.
	And I'd like to talk to you after this about some of your educational content.
	We would love to stream it on Bright Town University and get more people exposed to it and help promote your world, the Food Grow Network, everything that you're doing.
	So let's talk about that.
	Yeah, gosh, 15 years of creating content.
	I've got a ton for you.
	Exactly, you do.
	You're like a living encyclopedia of amazing food, grow knowledge.
	You're a real treasure.
	Oh gosh, thank you, Mike.
	I appreciate that.
	It's been a passion for a long time.
	I knew something like this would happen.
	It's not rocket science.
	You can just see that we're wired for it.
	I'm really grateful we've actually had the last decade that we've had.
	Well, this has been amazing.
	We'd love to have you back soon, especially as things happen in the food supply, which it's going to get interesting because of the fertilizer shortages and the You know, everything with Russia affecting global fertilizer production, fertilizer shutdowns in Europe and so on, increased energy prices.
	We'll talk about that next time you come back, but I just want to say thank you for joining me today.
	It's been a great conversation.
	Thank you, Mike.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Folks, the website is icangrowfood.com.
	It's Marjorie Wildcraft's free webinar.
	Watch the webinar even if you don't have time to grow food right now.
	At least learn what's involved in it or refresh yourself if it's been a while since you grew food and get ready to grow some portion.
	Of your own food.
	It doesn't have to be 50%.
	If you grow 10%, that might be the difference between starving versus living.
	So just learn to grow something, and icangrowfood.com is the place to do that.
	Thank you for watching today.
	Mike Adams here on brighteon.com with Marjorie Wildcraft.
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