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April 14, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams interviews George Howard about COSMIC SUMMIT 2023, ancient civilizations...
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Welcome to today's cosmic interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And the reason we have the cosmic clouds behind us here today is because we're joined by none other than George Howard, who has organized the Cosmic Summit that's about to take place coming up in June.
The website for that is CosmicSummit2023.com.
I've got it up on my screen to show you.
And the in-person tickets are already sold out, but you can access this with live streaming.
And let's bring in George to tell you what this is all about, because I'm super excited about this myself.
George, welcome to the show.
It's great to have you back on.
Hey, it's wonderful to be back on, Mike.
You've got a terrific operation and it's fun to join you again, man.
Well, man, I thank you for your patience because you and Randall Carlson, you were the first guest in our new studio.
We didn't quite have the audio bugs worked out at that time.
So our previous interview was slightly glitchy.
That's my fault.
I apologize.
But now we've got it all working.
Here you are.
And now, but of course, all your tickets have already been sold out for the in-person event at this point.
But how can people tune into your event and what's the event about?
Yeah, well, the Cosmic Summit was kind of born of really kind of the Internet first, that a lot of people become very popular talking about the younger Dryas impact hypothesis, which is a key pillar of our intellectual discussions at the summit, and also the potential that there were precursor civilizations and also the potential that there were precursor civilizations and ununderstood chapters, unacknowledged chapters of human history that may relate to that catastrophe.
So we're going to take all that and put it together, but we're doing it in kind of a special way, I think.
Basically, I've broken it down to two-thirds of the speakers, of the 14 speakers, will be speculators and YouTubers like Jimmy Corsetti and Johanna James and some folks everybody knows, Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock.
But they will all tell you that a lot of their content is speculation based on science that they read and how they interpret it.
But then we're also going to have another third, which are well-published, peer-reviewed PhD scientists.
They're going to speak to the aspects of the greater theories that they believe have been validated by data.
So that's a fascinating mix-up that you mentioned there because, I mean, I would say that as the science has become more and more clear over the last especially 10 to 15 years, things that were speculation have become, I think, in more of the fact category at this point.
That's right.
And that process continues to this day, does it not?
Yeah, well, we are going through a classic paradigm change as defined by Thomas Kuhn back in the 1960s in the book.
And a paradigm change, you know, requires a lot of pain.
And some people say science only changes one funeral at a time.
And I'm not quite that pessimistic, but we're seeing it move from an understanding that anything in the recent human past was uniformitarian and any geology that we see was all created very slowly over time.
And that we're actually suggesting that the data shows that there was an unbelievable catastrophe on Earth 12,800 years ago.
And that leads to a lot of speculation as well.
Well, it's, but you know, our planet, we're in a universe where it's like a giant pinball machine and we're being struck by, you know, high velocity objects every single day, obviously, you know, maybe small mass for the most part, but every once in a while a very large mass object impacts the planet.
If the Younger Dryas impact theory is actually embraced, then it means that perhaps our planet is in far more danger of additional impacts than what we've been led to believe up until now, right?
That's right, and that's why I kind of taglined, if that's the term, the conference, past is prologue, right?
And the best way to understand the future is a proper understanding of the past.
And most of your impactor identification efforts around the world, and God bless them all, consist of trying to look out into space and find the objects that may hit us, and that's a worthy and noble effort.
But what we're doing and what the Comet Research Group, the publishing team that I'm associated with and fortunate to be with, They took a different view and said, another way to look at how much danger do we face in the future is how much did we face in the recent past?
And do we find impact proxies, as we call them, indicators that there were impacts in places that perhaps hadn't been investigated before?
And we spent 15 years publishing data that shows, again, that 12,800 years ago, Earth had a very, very bad day and encountered a shower of medium-sized objects, really, right?
That would have been like a nuclear war minus the radiation.
And there's a tremendous amount of evidence of this across our planet.
We don't have to go out into outer space, right, to find evidence.
You have one of the spherials, the nanocrystals.
I'm not familiar with all the terminology.
You got it.
And there's iridium fallout and a couple other elements that are clearly present in specific layers that indicate a global distribution of an impact event, right?
That's right.
And our good, you know, the...
The comet dinosaur killer was proved using iridium, and we get hints of the elevated iridium, but it's very tricky to test for.
But platinum is where we really found the most fruitful platinum group element that indicated.
So when you go down and test the side of an archaeological face and start at the top of the youngest part of the soils and move yourself down, boom!
You can get up to a thousand times more platinum in the constituents of the soils At a very particular place, and at that place below it is when you begin to find the megafauna bones, the very last bones of the Ice Age animals like the mammoth and the saber-toothed tiger and the giant ground sloth and all that.
And you also find the very last instances of the first well-known Native American culture, the Clovis people, their Clovis points, their type points.
All of that disappears at that line, is never found above it, and then the world changed.
Yeah, that is absolutely fascinating.
It's a dividing line between the Earth that was and then the new Earth at that time, which involved mass death, frankly, mass ecological destruction.
Animal species disappeared at that line.
And many people believe, of course, Graham Hancock has done a lot of this and Randall Carlson and others, that advanced human civilizations vanished.
Many of them vanished at that point.
That's right.
And they're indirect indications.
And there's very little investigation done on those lines.
And usually things that are discovered that would predate this catastrophe.
For instance, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, from which I just returned.
I was in Gobekli Tepe last week.
Yeah.
And Karahan Tepe and Sagmatar and Haran and a number of very obscure sites right against the Syrian border.
And we had a wonderful time.
But Graham would suggest that Gobekli Tepe, Graham made wild claims 30 years ago.
He said there was a precursor civilization before destruction roughly 13,000 years ago.
He didn't have proof of either.
He had indirect interpretations of mythology and indirect scientific evidence.
But it's a speculative book, and that was Fingerprints of the Gods.
And it was a huge bestseller, and he endured a wrath.
Crap from his critics right off the bat, and that has continued to this day.
But one half of that, we believe, if he's got two pillars to his book, one is a catastrophe, two is a precursor civilization.
Well, in the intervening 30 years, We believe that the Comet Research Group has provided irrefutable evidence that he was right about the catastrophe.
And we were taking notes from Graham's book.
This just independently aligned, which is a good suggestion that something is valid, with his claims.
Now, as far as the precursor civilization goes, you're not going to find hard data on that right away.
But I keep my mind very open.
Well, yeah, and a lot of that evidence is underwater because the ocean level rose.
Exactly.
So it's very hard to find it.
Well, things like Gobekli Tepe, too, all of a sudden they'll have to re, as they did in the case of Gobekli Tepe, they'll have to redefine what a hunter-gatherer was because they found evidence that didn't fit with their view.
So then they just changed.
Well, a hunter-gatherer could also make monumental stone constructions and carved in large animal-embossed reliefs when before he would barely make a fire.
Well, that's the thing is that, you know, modern-day science tends to really discount the intellectual capacity of, you know, ancient civilizations, which, frankly, they're the same people as you and I. They just had different cultures around them.
You know, they weren't idiots.
In fact, I would probably argue that more people today are idiots than 12,800 years ago.
You know what I mean?
Mike, that is such an intro to you.
You have hit a wonderful aspect of this.
Properly turned it on Graham's critics and other critics, and I imagine I have them in a little way too, you know, that we're considered too edgy and fringy or whatnot, despite the data.
But when they turn on Graham Hancock, for instance, I would call it, and a lot of the charges, you know, involve racism and whatnot.
I would say that they're temporal bigots.
Yeah, exactly.
They look into the past.
They claim to honor these people in every way, and they pay all the lip service to the cultures that they're studying in the deep and archaic past.
But all of their myths were campfire stories.
Right?
Now what could be more patronizing?
I know, they don't give them any credit.
For the ancients to have their stories entirely dismissed as potentially being literal truth, when we're finding evidence that indicates indeed some of the 350 cultures share a catastrophe myth of their origin, Yeah, I mean, that would be the modern-day racist equivalent of,
let's say, white people in Australia say to Aborigines in Australia, oh, that you people, again, I'm not saying this, this is if they said that you people don't know anything and you're all stupid and you're not capable of even understanding, that would be insane.
But that's exactly right.
Temporal racism is what's being carried out.
Absolutely.
And Graham Hancock's critics said, are woke hypocrites, demonstrably woke hypocrites.
And also, as soon as we came forward with all the evidence of this, and they come in and they attack Graham about, well, you have no proof of ancient civilizations.
It's as simple on Twitter as saying, well, what do you think about the catastrophe there, Mr.
Woke Archaeologist or Mr.
Woke Geologist?
And then they'll have to say, well, there's some indications he might have, you know, that there may have been something that happened.
And of course, that's being debated in papers.
And you go, well, that means Graham was right then, buddy.
But George, did you see...
You must have seen this.
This was in the news in the last couple of weeks.
There's this woke anthropologist, this academic guy...
Which one?
Who says...
No, I don't know his name.
The guy says that now you can't tell the difference between male and female skeletons that are pulled out of archaeological digs because...
No, listen to the reason why.
Because we don't know what gender they identified with.
I've heard that...
How insane is that?
It can't be more anti-science.
It just simply cannot be.
They have wound themselves into pretzels that are now becoming embarrassing, and I hope the embarrassment continues, because you can't have ideology and science in the same room.
It doesn't work.
There will never be a science that fits your ideology.
Well, I know, but when I was in middle school, my science teacher brought in a human skeleton model.
Well, two of them.
It was like, this is a male, this is a female.
And I remember my science teacher asking me, can we tell the differences between male and female skeletons?
And he was describing them.
Of course there are differences between male and female skeletons.
It's right there in the freaking bones.
And now they're telling us you have to imagine that transgender...
People had a time machine, and they went back, and they indoctrinated ancient humans into transgenderism, and, like, drag queen caveman hour or something?
Like, what are they talking about?
It's farcical.
It's insane.
I think the public's seeing it, and we just got to take action on it.
Anyway...
They've ruined science, but they've absolutely...
The wokeness, particularly in archaeology and anthropology, well, I mean, there are a lot of things to choose from, but...
From my experience, and actually there's some data out there, they are completely corrupted by ideology.
Yeah, well, it's become the cult.
Narrative into follow cult-like ideological signals.
It has replaced evidence and facts.
And the one thing that I've always really enjoyed about Graham Hancock is that he has always been an evidence-driven individual.
Now, of course, he has his own analysis, but he will state that as such.
And he has a very accurate sense of the weight of the evidence where it's pointing.
And I would say he has been proven right again and again and again over the last two or three decades here.
Well, that's exactly right.
And it's only going to get worse for the critics because some of this is so painfully obvious that eventually there will be, you know, a quorum or a critical mass of younger scientists that are more interested in the truth than they are in toeing the line.
And we see indications of that already.
But of course, those are not the loud voices.
Those are the quiet, intelligent, discerning people.
I want to remind people to check out your website, CosmicSummit2023.com.
Now, this event, again, is June 17th and 18th, coming up here this summer.
It's in Asheville, North Carolina, but the in-person tickets are sold out.
However, people can get live stream access.
There's the button right there.
You've got many speakers.
I think you said, what, 14?
Is that right?
That's right.
We've got 14, so five scientists and nine speculators.
Okay, okay, excellent.
Yeah, here's the list of some of the topics and so on.
So this is really going to be fascinating.
And what's this other website that you were just telling me about?
What is it?
CosmicCircle.club?
Yeah, exactly.
CosmicCircle.club is kind of a new, I don't know, proprietary members only, if you will.
We just figured if you're going to pay $50 for the live stream, we should create a community with those people that buy it, right?
Or pay for the ticket.
So the 650 people who are coming are in the Cosmic Circle, right?
The 500 or 600 that have already purchased a live stream are in the Cosmic Circle.
and anybody now that buys the live stream would buy it through that website and have an option to join the cosmic circle, which will include a discord server where you can discuss the issues and kind of a little bit of a gated community to keep the trolls out.
And then we're also going to have a regular podcast, if you will, or maybe you could call it kind of a proprietary webinar.
And we hope it's small enough that people can get some questions in, but it's going to certainly be more intimate than a general podcast.
And our first guest will be Graham Hancock late next week.
We were trying to do it from Turkey with Graham last week.
And, you know, he gets terrible migraines and he could not make it.
So we've rescheduled and it might be best that I'm able to get this on your show beforehand.
We'll have Graham on there and we'll also get a regular newsletter.
So it's that kind of thing.
But we hope to create a community, a kind of like-minded community.
Open-minded, ancient, historian, heterodox thinkers.
So that might be too small a niche to build a community, but I think there's that subject out there and we want to test it.
No, actually this leads to one of my questions about the rising level of interest in this subject because people are beginning to question That's right.
1789, that they were all morons and idiots and didn't know what they were doing.
But that's not even true at all.
So this is the time for people to question all of history, including archaeology and anthropology and astrophysics, I guess.
I'll give you another channel that actually indicates what you're saying, that there's a pent-up interest.
I mean, it surprised me how quickly the thing sold out, of course.
But I knew that I was probably shooting low with 500 people, and darn if I wasn't.
But the continuing interest was demonstrated by the, we started a social media campaign in January, where we're putting out three videos a day on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook.
And people can follow those at Cosmic Summit 2023.
And what we're doing is taking clips of the speakers that will be at the Cosmic Summit in other contexts, in other podcasts, through the years even, and putting their ideas out there.
Boom!
It's gone viral.
Yeah.
You know, now we're doing it professionally, you know, and it's a paid operation, but the interest is there.
We've collected nearly 10 million interactions, you know, in less than two or three months, and we're getting up to, you know, it's really creating a community That we hope we can turn into people that will buy the live stream, and we're going to actually advertise to these people, right?
Yeah.
And see if they'll buy the live stream because they've indicated an interest in these subjects, and if they do buy the live stream, if they're interested, they can join the cosmic circle, and then we'll have a place to go, in addition to the places that we love already and the YouTubers that we love already, you know, that cover these subjects like Jimmy Corsetti and Ben Kirkwick,
you know, is doing fascinating work at Uncharted X. Well, then you guys, you need some, I mean, I'm really glad you're having this much success because you're, I don't really call it an industry, but your group, my perception is you guys really haven't had much money for many years.
I mean, you've been scrapping it to go travel and do digs and do papers and stuff, but you deserve, right?
I mean, I hope you don't mind me saying that.
To say the very least, Mike, but I've got to draw a line between, and I wouldn't call it an awkward line, but it's one I've got to make sure.
There's the Comet Research Group.
Which are dusty old PhD scientists and dusty old guys to come, right?
Okay, so those are just like you would picture scientists, but these are obviously open-minded, wonderful people who follow the data where it leads.
And then we've got this production.
This is not a production from the comic research.
I understand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a separate deal.
But I would imagine that as you have more funds under your command, you're going to be offering grants and funding and things like that.
And by the way, we're contributing.
Let me update you, in fact, on our contribution.
So, you know, I interviewed one of your scientists.
And in that, we decided that we wanted to, because we have two ICPMS instruments in our lab right now.
And we wanted to acquire a laser ablation interface so that we could process geological samples for the elemental ratio analysis, such as platinum and iridium.
So I talked to my team about it.
Everybody was thumbs up.
So I talked to my lab chemist, and she went out and found the laser ablation hardware, and it turns out it's a quarter of a million dollars, which I did not know.
What?
Right, right.
So, but I want to tell you, we haven't given up on the project.
We now have an internal fundraising effort where I have to achieve certain, like we have to have a certain amount of support from our reader base and customers in order to be able to set aside this actual $250,000 to get this laser ablation interface.
But we intend to do it, and we intend to do the analysis for your group, For free to donate the lab time and to participate in the science papers.
That is extraordinarily generous, Mike Adams.
That is extraordinarily generous.
And almost, please, if you need to back off to another tool that's not a quarter million dollars that could assist us, please do.
We already checked.
There isn't anything.
Like, there's nothing under 200K that works.
Well, there's used equipment, but we don't want to mess with the used stuff.
Well, we've got samples and have for nearly two decades now backed up out the door.
You would not believe the amazing materials that people find around the world and contact us.
And some of it, obviously, is not going to be relevant to it.
But there is no question in mind that there are untested locations that people have found all over the world on their own that would exhibit, you know, rock hard data driven proof that some of the oldest stories of man are true.
Well, there's actually two things.
Number one, once we get that laser ablation interface installed and tested, which may take the rest of this year, by the way.
But once we get it in place, and of course, we have to buy the external calibration standards so that we have the correct parts per billion multipoint calibration line, the curve, as you know.
But we already have a source for that.
Once we get this up and running, you guys can just send us a steady stream of accurately labeled samples, and we'll just start sending you back PDFs.
But in the meantime, we do have a really high-end laboratory digital microscope.
Yeah.
That's about – it's about a $100,000 rig.
And we've been wanting to get samples from you of the spherials or anything that we can see.
Well, loop me in on that.
Okay.
I'm not getting them right now.
I knew of it.
And, you know, our prospects have actually brightened, Mike, I should say.
I guess it hasn't been announced yet, but it's not a real...
Nobody's looking for it.
But we've received a significant donation.
Excellent.
Right?
But what that's going to do, there's so many pieces and parts of scientific publication.
One is data analysis.
Two is paper writing.
Yeah.
And just general coordination and coordination with other scientists that may be able to help us and whatnot.
So we've kind of locked that down better than we ever have.
That's excellent.
It'll be announced who that person is or at least in the amount that was given us.
And it's going to put us on about a five-year paid trajectory to be more productive at the Comet Research Group than ever had.
And it'll also allow us to feed operations like you're describing that very generous effort that is so on point.
There are a lot of ways to give to things and they're always appreciated, but actually purchasing instrumentation That helps add to the evidence and the labor involved in that is top notch, sir.
Thank you.
Well, George, I mean, look, you know, this instrumentation, I don't mean to geek out too much, but, you know, you can't just buy an ICP-MS and a laser ablation interface and start going to town on that.
You know, you have to have a whole facility around it.
You have to have venting.
You have to have a nitric acid digestion station with proper vent hood equipment.
And, you know, we are ISO accredited.
ISO 17025.
So you know how hard that is to get?
It took us like 18 months just to go through the freaking paperwork.
And then they do on-site audits and inspections, and then you have to do blind testing where they send you samples.
Proficiency testing is called PT. And then the freaking equipment, just the annual maintenance on one ICP-MS is now like $45,000.
That's just replacing the usable parts.
Well, I'm going to pay off for you because it gives your customers trust of what you're selling.
You're not joking around.
No, we're not joking around.
No.
I know a little bit about people thinking that you have test results that, you know, somehow weren't produced with the greatest instruments or by, you know, sloppy researchers or stuff because we get accused of that.
And you are surely equally meticulous to the Comet Research Group.
On how we approach this stuff, because you've got to protect your integrity, or your word means nothing.
Oh, yeah.
We, again, ISO accreditation requires proficiency testing and blind testing.
And in the food industry, we're the only people that really do this.
That's so important to the data, too.
That makes it so much more easily publishable.
Yes.
Right?
And then that stuff blinds people in scientific papers.
But you need to put, what did you use?
How was it calibrated?
By which standards is that equipment governed?
You know, and having something like that is just gold to science.
Yeah, exactly.
And, you know, with laser ablation equipment, though, we can also do things like, for example, if you dig up a bone sample, you know, we can ablate the bone material and do, you know, an isotopic ratio analysis of the elements that made up that skeleton, and you can actually see, did this person live in a time when there was a certain type of contamination?
I want to get you the really wild stuff.
Yeah, please do.
We've got some that you know it's legit, but I just want to know what's in their soil, is literally what that is.
And all of that, we have protocols that can be shared.
I mean, y'all will get trained up for it by Malcolm and others that have spent, my gosh, those senior scientists at the Comet Research Group, we lost one of them last week, Dr.
Ted Bunch, who was formerly head of exobiology at NASA and one of the very, very earliest meteorite researchers in the 1950s.
And Ted died with two 22-year-old daughters last week, and he was 88.
I mean, this is a hell of a guy, right?
And he was incredibly productive for us.
What's happening...
You know, is those brave gentlemen who most of them were retired before they would come out with this data, right?
That's another phenomenon, which you can imagine the motivation that you've got to become uncancelable as an academic, basically retired, to come out and work on some of these subjects.
And I don't think that was much more true 15 years ago.
I think it's going to get better and better, but it is a fact.
So God bless these brave gentlemen, you know, who are all in their 80s now, who were publishing these papers in their late 60s.
Right?
And God bless a new generation of people like Chris Moore, who's going to be coming in and doing the paper writing at the University of South Carolina, and soon to be Dr.
Mark Young at Flinders University in Australia, that there's a bench coming in.
Yeah.
And we look to be producing science and data and irrefutable publications for many years to come.
Well, I would love it if you could connect me to some of those people for interviews as they wish to be interviewed, perhaps after they're publishing a paper if they want to come on and talk about it.
That would be fantastic.
And also other speakers at your summit.
Mark Young would be a great one.
Okay.
Look, we welcome anybody you recommend.
And at some point, pass my name along to Graham Hancock himself, because I've never interviewed Graham Hancock, believe it or not.
But I think I would give him a great opportunity to tell his story and also answer some of the insane critics.
The arguments against Graham Hancock are not rooted in good faith.
They are bad faith smears.
Oh, they're strategic smears.
They're well-crafted smears where actually the writer knows that they're creating a smear, but they have no moral problem with that.
So yeah, I think we're going to win this thing over time, and it just all comes down to public interest.
It's got to be, you know, you can't have the science without the public interest, and you can't have the public interest without the science.
They've got to grow together, and they're growing right now.
Why is the establishment so terrified of us rewriting our understanding of history?
You know, what is it that threatens them so much about this?
Yeah, you've got to remember, particularly, say, things like archaeology, that some people even debate.
I'll give them the moniker, but some people even debate whether it's a science.
Because archaeology, it doesn't have reproducible experiments in particular.
It is evidence that is gathered and an interpretation made according to it.
If everyone's had to make interpretations over years and years about what our deep past looks like, you end up with a certain watered-down, lowest common denominator understanding of the past because they don't really know.
Right?
And they're never going to tell you that.
They're going to tell you what their teacher told them or maybe some of that plus a little bit of work.
Right?
And there's something to be said for that, for the, you know, science to be hard to move.
But when you come and tell them, and you kind of got a feel for them in a way, I feel for them collectively, maybe not individually, some of the characters, that you come and tell them that basically a lot of what you said about a very important time period to your lifetime of study has been just dead wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the evidence, contrary to your way of thinking, has been laying before you for 15 years.
And it's human nature, and it's a dark part of human nature.
And I think there are a lot of people that...
What's upsetting is the people that...
You know there are going to be...
The vast numbers of them who don't speak up aren't going to speak up to either side, right?
And try to avoid the issue.
Yeah, true.
But there's so many...
The point is the numbers that come out and actually go at it.
They've accused of out-and-out fraud, technical fraud.
And that's a long time ago, and thank goodness, because they're not going to come back anytime soon.
In fact, our critics have, at least in the peer review publications, are very, very quiet right now.
I would imagine.
That's right.
So that's why I like to get out and get as loud as we can be and say, hey, come get us.
Come take a look at our data.
Come at it.
But do it fairly.
There's also an element among the critics that is actively involved in deliberate cover-ups.
And I think a good example of that is if you go to...
You know, the great pyramids of Giza in Egypt.
You know, the Egyptian authorities absolutely do not want people taking a closer look at what's in there or under there or the caverns or anything.
It's like, no, don't look at this.
Gobekli Tepe, I think.
Weren't there some elements there that were kind of buried with rubble to kind of hide?
They certainly take their time, and there's something to be said.
For that, you know?
Yeah.
But they've actually covered some stuff up at Gobeckley Tepe.
And, of course, the whole site was originally covered.
That's not what I'm referring to.
Right.
But, I mean, I think they re-covered some parts because it showed too much.
Yeah.
You got to wonder.
You know, I don't think they're, you know, most active, coordinated conspiracies are driven by money one way or another.
And there are ways you could get to institutional money and funding and stuff being threatened.
So you might...
Involve yourself in some manner of conspiracy.
But I think it's more willful ignorance, right?
And that's sad.
You'd almost wish it was a sophisticated, highly organized, controlled conspiracy, when what it is is just sorry-ass human nature that would rather be willfully ignorant of the truth than to contradict themselves and what their own personal career narrative is.
Yeah, God forbid, make the professors rewrite their lectures, huh?
That's right.
But I wouldn't put anything past at least the newest generation of these folks.
I mean, they have completely broken these disciplines.
I mean, anybody that can look at modern archaeology and a lot of the stuff that they're publishing, you know, on the cultural side and whatnot, and doesn't detect an absolute woke chip on their shoulder in every other sentence, you know, they are trying to push a narrative.
And 20 years ago, you didn't see that.
You know, an archaeologist was probably the old conservative old fuddy-duddy that you could imagine.
And now they've...
Come out and have all of the attributes of a TikToker, you know, a communist TikToker.
Well, George, let me tell you, it's not just archaeology.
In medical schools, they're now teaching doctors imaginary physiology.
They're teaching young doctors to perform imaginary examinations on biological men pretending to be women.
They're getting OBGYN examinations for parts that they don't have.
Now, that's crazy.
I mean, you know, the madness of crowds, hopefully madness will break.
And this isn't a permanent intellectual totalitarianism.
You know, I was more worried a year ago.
I think, God, I hope it's reached kind of peak, but it's going to be a long clawing back fight to get our institutions back in shape and restore meritocracy to them, first of all, because you need smart people to In the right positions, not the politically proper people.
This brings us back to the whole concept of the comet impact theory, because perhaps human civilizations had reached the apex of reason at one point, because we know those ancient civilizations now, they had architectural knowledge.
They obviously had knowledge of the stars and the movement of the planets around the sun and the moons of other planets as well.
They knew law, they knew language and writing, they had structure, they had culture.
And they beat math.
Absolutely.
Mathematics.
And then, you know, compare that to where we are today.
So one comet is all it takes, you know, to take us out.
And we should be wary of that.
Absolutely.
And there's so many indications now.
And I came at the precursor civilization, as I call it, carefully.
Because I was so fortunate to have a seat on the bus with the scientists.
I sometimes call myself the ball boy for the comet research team.
It's like a basketball team that has a bunch of stars, but there's always one guy in the bus that knows all the stats, knows all the rumors, cannot play basketball, but is the number one fan.
You know, that's kind of me with these scientists, right?
Oh, where was I heading with that?
You were saying you're the ball boy for the group.
Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of a ball boy, but...
I forget where I was heading with it, but the better days are ahead of it.
Oh, as far as being, so I was there with the scientists, right?
And so you're privileged to kind of be there and you're publishing papers.
I've got a bunch of academic citations.
Heck, I barely made it out of college.
And then you increasingly become, because that's where most of the activity is, at least online, you start listening to the speculators.
It's been going on for 25 years.
So then I start getting in touch with them.
Then I make great personal friends with Graham Hancock.
So then I have a foot in both camps.
You know, and it requires that to get to the truth because the science today, those institutions and academics that we're talking about, they don't push themselves.
They don't push beyond any point.
You know, they don't hold any weird theories.
Science has always grown out of weird, impossible theories that were dismissed at first.
So I challenge any of these archaeologists or science communicators, Neil deGrasse Tyson, for instance.
Neil, what's your one heterodox theory?
No discovery has ever emerged without a heterodox theory.
So, sir, do you have one place where you think somebody's getting a raw deal that has absolutely valid data and we need to follow up on it and it's being suppressed, not actively and conspiratorially, but just sociologically?
And they don't see the people like DeGrasse Tyson and whatnot.
They just, they defend the known.
Well, that's the thing.
Yeah, Neil deGrasse Tyson, I mean, in our circles, he's an establishment propagandist of the establishment narrative.
I mean, that's how we see him.
Completely uninteresting.
He just rehashes and re-describes known things.
Right.
Yeah.
He defends them to anyone that says there may be a different understanding here.
But he has no intellectual curiosity or courage to find out.
I mean, science has to be an expanded knowledge base.
And in order to expand it, you have to challenge the boundaries.
Nobody's got to be pushing up against the fences.
And what they define is that whenever they talk about radical theories or great discoveries, one way or another, they always are incremental.
You know, they're not, you know, and find me one where they announce it and say, yeah, I was on the program a couple years ago and remember when I said I think this guy's right?
Well, now we've nailed it.
You know, it's not.
Tyson takes the lowest hanging fruit of science, the known, and walks around with it and goes nowhere else.
See, I'd love Joe Rogan just once to say, and we actually tried on Twitter to start a little campaign called Ask Neil Now.
Hey, Neil, there have been 42 people Well, actually 175 peer-reviewed papers back and forth on the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis.
Do you believe there could be any validity to this data that there was a catastrophe?
And I'd like to see what Tyson says, you know?
But I'm getting way down in the rabbit hole now.
Yeah.
Yeah, the rabbit hole.
Isn't that also the name of one of your podcasts here?
Yeah, yeah.
The podcast that Graham would be on, you know, our little webinar thing, is rabbithole.live.
There we go.
I thought that was a good, yeah, because everybody these days drops that term.
We all do.
It's so fitting because we're all, you know, all doing it.
I said, my gosh, nobody's, you know, nobody's using that.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Hey, did you know that if you use the term red-pilled, the FBI says you might be an extremist?
Oh, good.
Yeah, it's true.
Red-pilled.
No.
So if you cite the Matrix movie...
Probably soon it'll be the rabbit hole.
If you go down the rabbit hole, you might be an extremist.
How about that?
There we go.
Alright.
George, this has been a lot of fun, but I want to wrap this up and be respectful of your time.
Let me just review everything for folks here.
Number one, Cosmic Summit 2023 is the website.
All the tickets are sold out in person.
They have been for a long time.
People can purchase live stream access.
How much does that cost, by the way?
Yeah, it's 49 bucks.
49 bucks.
Okay.
And then they just watch it on those days, I guess.
Can they watch it after that too?
You absolutely can.
Okay.
So is it like a...
It's video on demand.
Okay.
Yeah, it's video on demand.
Is it forever?
It is forever.
Oh, okay.
Forever.
Until the internet stops working for the next impact.
Okay.
Yeah, all the tickets are good until the next impact happens.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
If anybody that actually buys the internet, buys the live stream now and chooses to be a part of the Cosmic Circle, that will be forever in case we ever re-up and make it $50 a year.
Everybody that comes in before the event is in for good.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
And in the meantime, I'm hoping that you'll connect me with some folks that I can interview that are part of your circle, and I'm going to keep raising money for the laser ablation.
And what else am I doing on Mars?
Oh, yeah.
We can do the microscopy of anything you send us.
Hey, that's music to my ears.
I'm going to share that with more of the research group.
I know you're in touch with Malcolm and some others, but I just want to make sure everybody is aware that we've had this gracious, gracious offer from a highly skilled technical facility.
Yeah, absolutely.
And in fact, if your scientists want to come out and take a look at what we have, I'll be happy to give them a tour.
And interestingly, we just did purchase a gas chromatography interface for our triple quad mass spec for testing dioxin fallout.
Really?
Yes.
In fact, we just got that hardware.
The install is happening like a month from now or something.
And then I have to go in for a week of training on that.
But we'll have GC-MS-MS. We already have ICP-MS times two.
We'll have the laser ablation ICP. And then, of course, we have several instruments that are single quad mass spec LC-MS on top of that.
Well, I'll tell you, the Health Ranger has got some kit, man.
Well, it's because of our supporters.
I mean, our readers and customers, they buy our food, our products, and we invest the profits into infrastructure to have this stuff.
And our lab is larger than most university labs in this space, actually.
Oh, I felt privileged to go look through it, man.
I was very, very impressed.
Told everybody back home about it, too.
And I just want to stress, too, this Cosmic Summit thing, yeah, it's a for-profit business and I own it, but I'm taking all the profits and putting it into next year.
Yes.
Trying to make it bigger, trying to make the live stream better.
I'm not going to make any money on it, and I'm not trying to brag about that.
But you know how it is.
Sometimes it's good to take a passionate idea, put it in a business context, and And run the business to fulfill your idea.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it gives you an accountability framework that you know if you aren't being good at getting your idea out, then you're not going to make any money and you're going to be out of this and back to tweeting.
Yeah.
I mean, you can't get anything done in poverty.
You've got to have resources.
That's right.
To travel, you know, to host speakers, to pay for the hotel rooms for the speakers, right?
That's right.
You've got to...
Those guys aren't going to just pay their own hotel rooms.
You've got to comp them the rooms to show up, you know?
I mean, everybody, their time is valuable.
No, no.
It's ended up being kind of an expensive endeavor, and there's some investment to it.
But gosh knows, if the people didn't come and, you know, make it a success.
I mean, it was all sold.
And we just want to keep doing that.
We're going to bring it to a much larger venue in 2024.
And we'll be announcing that at the Cosmic Summit 23, June 17th and 18th, and we'll tell you where it'll be the next year, and we're going to make sure that we don't have to turn, God knows, hundreds of people away as we did this year.
Well, make it bigger.
At least have seating for at least a thousand next year.
I'm thinking maybe more, maybe a couple thousand.
Yeah, I'm thinking maybe two, too.
If you get above that, we've got a room that will go to five.
But then it just, you know, I don't think you're providing the experience people deserve.
So probably thinking tops, too.
Yeah, probably.
I agree with you.
Yeah, TOPS 2000.
When we do breakouts, it'll get much more complicated, but the facility has wonderful educational areas that are perfectly suited where you can bring people in and out for plenary sessions and also split them out to go hear Randall Carlson give a sacred geometry lesson, or Mark Young talk about proxy identification using the kind of equipment that you've been describing.
You know, we'll have some good geeky breakouts and all the rest that goes with a second-generation conference because this first one, you know, is our first shot at it, so we try to keep it simple.
Absolutely.
And you can send some free tickets for next year to Neil deGrasse Tyson.
He's in front row seats so he can learn.
Like, come on, Neil.
Open your eyes.
Pay attention to what's going on here.
I don't know.
Are you aware of Michael Shermer, you know, of Skeptic Magazine?
Oh, I've heard of him, yeah.
He's kind of America's number one skeptic, but he's kind of beloved, too, because he does it in a very, very good way.
He's got a good way about it.
Well, you know, he went on Rogan...
This is little appreciated.
He went on Rogan and debated Graham about four years ago.
He had a comic research group, Graham, Randall, and then Mark, I forget his name now, good guy, because he recanted too.
And Shermer, and they had a lively debate, to say the least.
Both of the opponents of Graham have recounted.
Really?
It's yes, on the part about the catastrophe.
Wow.
They both read a paper that came out in the intervening time.
It tipped their scale and they went on Twitter and said, as regards to catastrophe, I can still learn and I want to show my scientific integrity.
I'm not putting words in their mouth, but it was that kind of thing.
And I said, wow.
Wow, Shermer is a total pro to come out and say, hey, Graham, you actually seem to be right that all the world went to shit 13,000 years ago.
I don't know about your civilization, but that's welcome.
And we might bring Shermer next year to come tell us how he came to that conclusion.
Well, that would be fascinating.
Yeah, look, we honor people who are willing to reassess the evidence as it emerges.
That's right.
We don't have any grudges against people.
We want to know the truth about human civilization, where we came from, what it means about who we are.
Yeah, nothing better than saying, I'm wrong.
Let's move ahead and figure out what I'm right about.
Yeah, exactly.
And let's do it before the next impact.
So we actually have the ability to have a historical record here.
Indeed.
Yeah, because who knows what was lost in that first impact that, of course, we'll never find.
How many libraries, you know, how many stones, how many inscriptions, how many cities?
We'll never know.
Yeah, and I think it could have been, you know, if Graham's right, it could have been a very small and delicate Not quite like our own, right?
No, of course, yeah.
Who says you have 8 billion people?
Yeah.
No, I mean, when future archaeologists dig up our layer of plastic trash, it's going to be, you know, 10 billion AOL CDs from 1995.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There will be no mistaking what happened here.
Like, they trashed the whole freaking planet.
There were too many of them, and they were all stupid.
Yeah, it was a suicide cult that just destroyed everything.
Look at what happened.
The mass extinction layer.
You're great, Mike.
I enjoy talking with you, bud.
Okay, you too, George.
Have a great show.
Thank you for joining me today.
It's always a pleasure.
Okay, love to see you again, pal.
Okay, you too.
Take care now.
Bye.
All right, folks, that's George Howard there from CosmicSummit2023.com is the website.
It's going to be a really exciting event.
I'm going to tune in and also listen to Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and some of the other speakers as well.
Hopefully get some more interviews with some other folks in this space because...
The more we understand about where we came from, the better we can, I think, shape where we're going.
I mean, hopefully we're going someplace other than mass extinction.
That's my hope anyway.
Humanity is worth saving, which means it's worth learning about who we are.
So thank you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.com and the lab director of our lab that we talked about, CWC Labs.
Thanks for listening.
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