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Nov. 23, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
01:09:23
Dr. Robert Malone talks mRNA, FDA criminality, depopulation...
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All right, welcome folks.
Mike Adams here, the founder of Brighteon.com, the platform where we can speak freely about issues that matter.
And of course, one of the issues that matters, I think the biggest issue of our time, is what's going on with COVID and with vaccines and with potentially depopulation or bioweapons or however people want to frame it.
And our guest today is the author of a new book, It's Dr.
Robert Malone.
Dr.
Malone, thank you for joining me today.
It's a pleasure to have you on.
I've got a ton of questions for you.
I appreciate you taking the time for us.
And Mike, thanks for having me on.
It's a pleasure to talk to you and really meet you virtually.
I look forward to when we meet in person and to have a chance to talk with your audience.
Each podcast format is a different sector of the world, a different audience, and I'm grateful for any opportunity to talk to any of these diverse communities, including your own.
Well, thank you for that.
I greatly appreciate it.
And, of course, our audience knows you as the inventor of mRNA technology.
I've got, of course, plenty of questions for you about that and your view of how it's being used today and so on.
But I want to ask you just right up front because, I don't know, there's...
There have been some whispers and some, I don't know, hit pieces and things like that across certain sectors of alt media.
I just want to ask you this right up front.
Are you controlled opposition?
Do you work for the CIA? Do you work for the World Economic Forum?
Are you a globalist trying to mass murder humanity?
I've got to ask.
Thanks.
I'm so grateful for that.
That was sarcasm.
Yes, it's okay.
The problem with the question, are you controlled opposition, is it's kind of like, have you stopped beating your wife?
No matter what you say, it could be twisted to confirm whatever somebody's belief system is.
One way to answer it is with humor.
I do have colleagues that are seasoned in protest movements that advise me from time to time that are, let's say, in our world, in the opposition, alternative world.
And the first go-to they recommended that I do is to use humor.
Think this through with me.
Here's a guy who was running a modest consulting business.
Has done a lot of work in biodefense for decades.
Has won literally billions and billions of dollars in contracts for government contractors, beltway bandits.
I'm speaking myself.
Had a secret security clearance with the Department of Defense.
It wasn't taken away.
It's just not active right now.
Absolutely once had a business partner who was a retired CIA agent, Darrell Galloway.
Absolutely has published with a CIA officer who was, and arguably still is, one of the U.S. government's top experts in gain-of-function research, that being Michael Callahan.
The guy that called me from ostensibly Wuhan on January 4th of 2020.
So I can understand those that might say, hey, this sounds a little fishy.
Why would this guy swim upstream?
Why would he go against the current?
And any of you who've read the Atlantic Monthly attack piece that came out against me early on in this outbreak, We'll see the work product of a gentleman, if you look at that author and look at where he publishes and what he usually publishes.
He usually wrote for the Journal of...
I think it's the Journal of Higher Education.
And he writes pieces on wokeism, defending wokeism.
And he did this, you know, just absolute hit piece on me in Atlantic Monthly.
Right after I co-published with Peter Navarro in the Washington Times, basically supporting the Great Barrington Declaration position and saying that these jabs should not be used widely and they should be reserved for the people that needed them the most.
At the time, we didn't have the data suggesting that they shouldn't be used on anybody.
And right after that, this author from the Atlantic Monthly calls me up.
He'd been doing a long backgrounder piece.
They always do this trick, I've learned over time, with like the New York Times and others and Washington Post.
These journalists do this trick where they try to seduce you.
They say, oh, we're going to tell you your story.
Everybody's been so mean to you.
No one tells a real story.
We want to tell your story.
And they seduce you.
And by the way, if you ever get that line, my advice, hang up the damn phone.
Just don't take it.
I've been burned three times now, and I'm not going to be burned a fourth, and I hope you all never get burned.
But...
I point with this gentleman, this young gentleman, defender of wokeism for the Atlantic Monthly.
He calls me up.
It turns out after he's already corresponded with Tony Fauci and Nyad about me.
And all he can ask is, why would you possibly speak out like this?
You must have some conflict of interest.
And he just goes on and on and around and around about this.
And I tell him, because it's the right thing to do.
Because what's being done here is wrong.
And he cannot accept that answer.
But that's the answer I give you.
If I am controlled opposition, Show me the evidence.
Because I have been clear, consistent for years now.
I've destroyed my consulting business.
I no longer have any contacts with these people in the government that I cultivated work relations with for years and years, decades.
And instead, I have consistently blown the whistle, spoken out about the problems, tried to help people to understand what was going on, tried to help them to understand what the technology was.
This book, I mean, read this book, okay?
This book, if you can read this book and conclude that I'm a government agent, I want something, whatever, you're smoking.
Look at the track record of what I've said.
Look at what the press has done and the government has done to try to destroy me.
Look at all the time I've spent.
I testified in Louisiana three times for Jeff Landry to try to help the mama bears there overthrow those vaccine mandates on the children.
I testified with Ryan Cole in favor of ivermectin in Tennessee, and now ivermectin is available over the counter in part because of what we did.
Look at the track record.
Look at what I've said.
Look at what I've done.
I've thrown my whole life into this, and I absolutely didn't need to do it.
By the way, I'm not rich.
The last point I want to make is some people have accused that I have made millions and millions off of this vaccine discovery, this technology that I did when I was 28 years old.
And the truth is, That I signed an employment agreement.
That made it so that every single thing I came up with and did belonged to the company Vicel.
My total, total compensation for all this has been one U.S. Susan B. Anthony dollar.
That's it.
Wow.
Full stop.
Okay?
I don't work for Moderna.
I don't work for Pfizer.
I got no money off the patents.
I got screwed.
I ended up with a nervous breakdown and a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder.
Does that sound to you like some guy that has made billions and billions or millions and millions, as some broadcasters, I say that with tongue in cheek, have asserted?
There's no there there.
As you read in the book, I started off, I've been a farmer and a carpenter.
I've been a farmer my whole life.
I raise horses.
I produce them.
I run it like a business.
It's not a luxury farm.
I drive a tractor.
Before I came on the trip I'm on right now, I stacked eight tons of hay the morning before I jumped on the plane.
So, you know, if I'm the bad guy, we're all in trouble.
We have more in common than I thought.
You know, I tend to buy old John Deere tractors built in the 70s, and I take care of donkeys, and I've got goats, and I've got chickens.
I'm sorry to tell you this is not very American.
I am all Kubota.
I love the fact I get in my damn tractor and I turn the key and it starts.
And I get in my RTV and I turn the key and it starts.
And I got to tell you a story.
We breed Australian Shepherds too.
And one of the old male dogs sat on the gas pedal.
And the Kubota was in gear, our RTV with the cab and the air conditioning and all that good stuff.
My wife was feeding out hay.
The damn dog sat on the gas pedal, drove it over a cliff into the creek.
I had to pull it out with a great big come-along winch.
You know, it's been down in the water.
We had to save the dogs.
The water was flooding the cab.
I pulled it out with the damn come-along.
And I get it up on the shore, on the banks, turn on that key, and the thing fires up.
And we're still using it.
So, you know, I use Kubota, but Deer's Full, too.
No, the Kubota brand is very reliable, and I agree.
They do start better, and frankly, the parts are more available.
Anyway, we won't get into farmland, but I feel for you, because there are days that I have a rake, and I'm cleaning out the chicken house, and I'm taking the chicken poop, and I'm putting it around the fig trees, and I'm just doing farmer stuff, and that's the sanity that I find in the world, because everything else is completely insane.
Yeah, so we lost our shirts in the real estate collapse.
I lost about $600,000 in equity that I'd built up by rebuilding a house in Rockville and then building a farm up in Frederick, Maryland.
And then we had to move down to Northern Georgia to run an influenza contract.
And we bought in 07, and we just got our clocks clean.
And we had to do a deed in lieu of foreclosure and walk away.
And my wife and I drove up the coast.
We were breeding Pertron draft horses at the time.
I used to put up hay with Pertron.
Wow.
I am legitimately a teamster.
I once took second place in driving a team of homebreds at the World Percher on Congress, so I can drive and rake and hail and all that kind of stuff.
So we took a drive up the coast from Georgia, and we just really like Virginia.
And so we settled there, and we leased two different farms where we were trying to get out of the handcuffs that the banks put on you when you do a deed in lieu of foreclosure.
And then my wife found these 30 acres that was unimproved hayland, no fences, no power, no septic, no water, up against Shenandoah National Park.
And in a little county that literally about two miles as the crow flies is the oldest Lutheran church in North America.
Wow.
And it has the same population that it had in World War II. So we found this little slice of paradise in this little valley with a creek.
It's a pretty good creek running around it.
And, uh, bought it from the owner at 5%, uh, forced, you know, direct payment to the owner, no banks involved.
And we homesteaded it.
Uh, we, we bought an office trailer, very illegal.
They could have fined us like a hundred bucks a day.
Um, and we used a porta potty and, uh, we would scoot up to the local health club in Culpeper, just north about half an hour, whatever, you know, every third or fourth day to get a shower.
And we built this place, put in the well, put in the power, rebuilt the buildings.
We now have two homes on it, put in all the fences, put up a barn.
And it's a sweet little farm now, and we lease the adjacent place, so we're managing about 50 acres.
And we produce a really high-quality horse, very desirable, called a Lusitano, that are mostly from Portugal, most of our stock.
And are these workhorses then?
No, no.
Or showhorses?
Yeah, Lusitanos are the Portuguese horse that has been bred for years for the bullfight and for military riding.
But it has just taken off all over the world for dressage.
It is a working breed.
And it's not as fancy a mover as the big German and Dutch sport horses like the Hanoverians, Tricaners, and those Dutch Wormwoods for dressage.
But it's intelligent and it's rideable.
And...
People just love it.
And frankly, we've learned over...
We've been breeding horses now for a long time.
And you learn a lot of things over time.
And one of the things we've learned is you've got to breed the absolute best you possibly can.
And so that's what we do.
And we pretty much only sell to one kind of person, which is wealthy, upper-middle-class...
Middle-aged women who want a companion animal, and they want an Olympic-caliber horse, but not one that's going to kill them.
And so that's what we produce.
We produce a hand-raised product.
You know, it's a five-year crop cycle.
It takes a long time between the breed, and I don't know how many horses I've been up to my elbows in We're doing artificial insemination.
We collect our stallions.
We do the whole thing.
So it's a business, and we absolutely homesteaded that place.
And we talk about it in the first couple chapters of the book, kind of like we were living this quiet life, winding down to retirement when the shit hit the fan, basically.
Right.
I mean, this is a side of you that people don't get to see, that you could have just stayed there at the farm and done nothing and kept your mouth shut.
And if it's up to me, I'm only doing this because the mission called.
I'm doing it not because I want to be famous.
I'm certainly not going to get rich at it.
I travel all the time.
It's brutal.
I hardly get to pet the dogs, it seems like.
We're traveling so much.
Right, right.
That is a brutal schedule.
But in observing what you've been through for the last two-plus years, I was always astonished at first, okay, you came out, you were blowing the whistle, you got all these hit pieces from the mainstream media.
You were testifying on behalf of Health Freedom and you were speaking different places.
And then, at some point, I don't know exactly when, certain sectors of alt media started to attack you.
And I remember thinking, usually people get Only attack from one or the other side, right?
Usually, those of us in the health freedom movement, we're always getting hit pieces from the mainstream media, and all our Wikipedia pages are full of lies and everything.
That's almost a resume now for anybody in alt media.
I don't trust anybody unless they've had a hit piece written about them.
You know what I mean?
Oh, look at my Wikipedia page.
They have just eviscerated me on Wikipedia.
And by the way, it's Philip Cross that's doing a lot of that.
And the evidence is that Philip Cross is British intelligence.
Wow.
So, well, how come he didn't talk to your so-called CIA handlers and just work it out?
Right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, this whole thing is a fabrication.
And I don't know why...
And I wrote, it so deeply upset me, the things that were being said.
They were so ugly.
For two different reasons, two different people have accused me of being a mass murderer.
I'm just trying to help people.
By the way, let's put a pin in this one.
Yeah, I've got nine issued U.S. patents, which, by the way, Moderna did not cite.
That's failure to cite.
And potentially their patents can be invalidated because of that.
Oh, that's interesting.
The patents expired because Merck basically pocket vetoed them because they were trying to develop the DNA vaccine aspect of the technology.
Okay.
And I've had absolutely no contact or involvement with CureVac, BioNTech, Moderna, or Pfizer.
And in fact, UPenn, I did have over a decade ago, Katie Carrico called me and asked for advice and I tried to help mentor her.
She'd never done any of this stuff, well over a decade after I'd done what I'd done.
And we abandoned this technology in my research lab back at Davis because it was so inflammatory.
It was so toxic.
And we went on to develop other technology, including the use of pulsed electrical fields, and helped found a company called Inovio, which is still running in San Diego, which has, I think, it's better tech in some ways, but neither one of them are appropriate for this kind of global deployment stuff.
And in the case of this tech, again, put a pin in it.
I wasn't involved in these vaccines.
I was critical about these vaccines from the get-go.
I got hammered for saying that the spike protein was a toxin on the Dark Horse podcast with Brett Weinstein and Steve Kirsch, and then saying it again on Epoch Times.
And saying it again, and talking about the risks of the vaccine driving escape mutations with Peter Navarro in the Washington Times.
You know, look at what I've said all the way through.
I got called a liar by the Washington Post for standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
Saying that in the case of Omicron, it is explicitly clear these vaccines are not preventing infection, replication, or spread of the virus.
And they called me a liar.
I was right about that, too.
Yeah, you were right.
The biggest thing I didn't get right, to be honest, was I got hoodwinked by that Chinese propaganda in January of 2020, same as the rest of us did.
And I thought this was going to be a highly lethal pathogen.
Me too.
When I got infected, and just to give a shout out to the Brownstone Institute, they have done a super job of tracking down the details of the events that happened early on.
And it sure looks to me like one of the things that we also have gotten wrong is a lot of us thought this is about Tony Fauci.
But it's looking more and more like what's really gone on is that this whole thing came through the National Security Council And it flowed down, and the people that have been managing this have been DOD, DARPA, and Department of Homeland Security, Secretary Mayorkas.
And as far as I'm concerned, the big tragedy of the Senate not going, flipping, is that we're not going to see an impeachment of Mayorkas, because he is really a bad guy that's behind all of this debate.
This attacking, basically, patriots.
Yes, and much more than that.
I mean, look at the Nord Stream pipeline.
Yeah, well, I don't know that Nord Stream was Homeland Security.
Marikas is Homeland Security.
Marikas is the one that has said that mis-dis- and malinformation spreaders are domestic terrorists.
No, you're right.
State Department is involved in Nord Stream and Mayorkas is homeland.
Thank you for that clarification.
You're correct.
But I want to ask you this.
You know, it seems like you took FLAC as the inventor of mRNA, which was decades ago, and you could not have foreseen ways in which that technology was going to be used.
Do you feel like bad actors exploited the tech in ways that, of course, you never intended or that you couldn't have even imagined?
Is that a summary?
So that's another thing that I talk about in the book.
There's a chapter that's almost too technical, but it's like my thing.
And so I had to throw the science in there and I had to include the references and whatever.
It talks about what has happened with the mRNA tech.
And there's also a series of lectures I've given now.
I did one in Florida and one in Richmond that talks about my understanding of what...
It is the CIA that's behind this.
I mean, that's no bullshit.
That's well documented.
The CIA are the ones that funded Moderna.
It's In-Q-Tel, the CIA's investment capital arm, that has just built the new mRNA manufacturing facility in, wait for it, Canada, under Mr.
Castro.
Right.
Okay.
So we're on the same page?
Yeah.
W-E-F lineage, yeah.
Just so.
So, the original conception was coming out of a gene therapy lab.
Here's a fun fact.
You know the J&J vaccine, the Janssen vaccine?
That's based on a recombinant adenovirus vector.
That's based on the technology that was acquired by J&J from a company called Crucell that they purchased.
Crusell was founded by a guy named Dinko Valerio.
Dinko Valerio was the senior postdoc at the Salk Institute in Indoverma's lab when I was there.
He was in charge of the adenovirus vector program.
I was a little graduate student in the corner working on some bizarre stuff involving non-viral gene delivery.
And I really wanted to be a gene therapy guy.
And what I discovered was that gene therapy wasn't going to work.
Which somebody needs to tell Yuval Harari that that's the case.
The reason why gene therapy doesn't work is because of your immune system.
Because your immune system doesn't know.
Imagine you're a kid with cystic fibrosis.
Imagine that we succeeded back in the 90s when I was trying to do this, and we came up with a good way to get genes into lung cells to cure cystic fibrosis children.
What could be wrong with that?
Because that's the stuff I was working on.
How to fix children with inborn errors of metabolism, genetic disease.
That's what I wanted to spend my life on.
And that's why I was motivated to do what I was doing at the Salk.
But what was discovered by the postdoc that was kind of mentoring me, Dan St.
Louis, was that if you were successful in getting a foreign gene into a mouse and getting that mouse to start making the foreign protein, And what happens is you lose the protein.
And what I figured out was the reason you lose the protein is because your immune system, the mouse's immune system, attacks the protein and gets rid of it and gets rid of the cells that are making the protein.
And with that, the entire logic of gene therapy came to a crashing halt.
Because if you're the child with cystic fibrosis, your body doesn't know that your defective cystic fibrosis gene is a bad gene.
It knows that it's your gene.
That's the way the adaptive immune system works.
And so if you put in the good gene...
Your body, if you're that child, your body will reject that good gene, just like it would reject a transplanted organ, because it doesn't know it's not the good gene, it just knows that it's a different gene, it's foreign, it's not part of the way that child's genetic makeup is normally built.
And so the whole logic of gene therapy completely crashed when this was discovered.
I had serendipitously had, you know, chance favors the prepared mind and I was surrounded by brilliant people and a bunch of things happened and I worked really hard and I discovered this way of slipping RNA into cells and then into frog embryos and then into chick embryos and then into mice.
And the question was, what good is that for anybody?
And the patents that I filed were based on the idea of using RNA as a medicine, which was radical at the time.
People thought it was crazy talk.
And it was based on the idea that if you use DNA for gene therapy or a virus, it sticks around in your body virtually forever.
And it goes into all kinds of different cells.
There's no way that you can ever get in there and cut them out.
They're all over your body.
But natural RNA only sticks around for a couple of hours.
And so if you used RNA instead of DNA or viruses and something bad happened, it would be gone in a couple hours and you just wouldn't re-dose it.
Duh.
Right?
And then if that's the case, what are you going to use it for?
And the easiest application, what we call the low-hanging fruit in the investment community or the venture capital community, Is vaccines, because if you just make the protein for a little bit, for a little while, your immune system will recognize it and react as if they're infected by the virus without the virus being there.
That was the whole logic.
And then along comes Katie Carrico and Drew Weissman, and they say, well, we need to make this work better.
We're going to put pseudouridine all through the RNA, which is a chemically modified RNA component.
And lo and behold, that did make the RNA stick around longer and make more protein and so you could get more immune response.
However, what they never tested was that it causes a lot of other things because the science of pseudouridine is still evolving.
It's all covered in the book.
And the problem is twofold in short.
One is that these highly pseudouridine modified RNAs stay around for a very long time.
How long, you ask?
Based on the cell paper from February of this year, it showed that you could put a needle into people's armpits, into their lymph nodes after getting the jab in their shoulder, and you still find RNA for up to 60 days.
So it sticks around a way long time.
Wow, yeah.
Okay?
Which means that all of their jabber about the time course for the adverse events being only the first couple weeks and all that is all garbage.
So it stays around for a really long time.
And the other thing that's been learned about pseudouradine since then is if you have a whole lot of pseudouradine in an RNA, it is immunosuppressive.
Oh, well, that's kind of a problem.
Somebody ought to have figured that out before they started jabbing billions and billions of people with this product.
But they didn't do the research.
And that's the thing that really set me off was been Byron Bridle in Canada, who also got roasted.
I mean, the stuff they did to him, the stuff that's going on in Canada.
Canada is a client state of the WEF now.
It's disgusting what's happened to Canada.
But I have a technical question for you when you get a chance.
So Byron Bridle managed to capture the document that was submitted to Japan by Pfizer to justify what they were doing.
And it got put into my hands after he analyzed it because he was spooked about what he saw.
And I got asked to analyze it, and I confirmed everything that he found and more.
And I called up Peter Marks at the FDA, and I said, you know, I scheduled a meeting with him, and I talked about what I found, and I said, this isn't right, and it looks like they're pulling the wool over your eyes, and he basically lied to me.
And he said, oh, we have more data.
It all looks fine to me.
There's no problems.
Well, we know what those data look like now that the courts forced them to be disclosed.
And it absolutely looks like there's problems.
I don't know what went on at the FDA and the CDC. It is obscene.
They've destroyed my business, my industry.
They don't follow any of their own rules.
They've harmed, I'm sure, millions of people all over the world, not to mention the suppression of early treatment.
I have a couple of key questions to ask you that come to mind on this.
We've seen the biodistribution studies that show how the mRNA post-injection...
Complexes goes everywhere.
Right.
Spleen, liver, lungs, and so on.
And ovaries.
Yeah, exactly.
Ovaries.
Endocrine system, glands, and so on.
But also then there – I think it was the Italian study that talked about mRNA transfection entering the nuclei of cells and causing chromosomal alterations in liver cells.
Actually, the first study on that was just to credit where credit's due.
It's important that people get credit for their contributions, don't you think?
Agreed, agreed.
I feel kind of strongly about that for some reason.
Yes.
It's a particular hot spot for me.
Rudy Yanish did the first paper in Proceedings in the National Academy of Sciences fairly early, and he did it with hep G2 cells.
What are hep G2 cells?
They're immortalized cancer cell culture liver cells.
And the problem with all of this so far to date about the integration, which is what we're talking about, the RNA-causing genomic alterations, In the chromosomes.
Is that it's virtually all done using cell culture.
And cell culture has been notoriously prone to artifacts like these.
And unfortunately, Rudy Yanish has a long history of overcalling things.
And I don't want to trash anybody's reputation, but it's just what the history has been.
Okay, so your level of concern about people having...
Well, no, let me go a little further, okay?
That's where I started from.
I started from, it's highly probable that none of this is clinically significant.
Okay?
Now, where I'm at right now is, why wasn't this tested?
It could very well be that we're having genomic problems, including formation of what's called triple helix, where the RNA winds around the DNA and then it gets replicated and then you can get mutations.
So it doesn't have to just be integration, which is what Rudy and the others were talking about.
There's a lot of different ways that if RNA gets in the nucleus, it could cause bad stuff.
Now, how likely is it to get to the nucleus?
Another bad news for Yuval Harari, but good news for all of us, is that this technology actually doesn't work very good.
Despite all the stuff we've seen, it's really good at causing toxicity.
But in terms of actually getting RNA into cells, it's not that efficient.
It's surprisingly efficient compared to everything that has ever been done before, but it still sucks.
You cannot fix a genetic defect in a human using the current RNA technology.
So it only goes for a very small number of cells.
Now, if it's suppressing immune response in those cells or surrounding cells, you're getting tumors formed.
That could be a problem.
If you have rare, very rare genetic modifications and mutations, that can lead to cancer.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Well, and my question is, there are billions of these RNA strands in each injection, I think half a mil injection volume.
So there are billions of these.
It doesn't take a very high success rate to alter some number of cells.
Some number of cells is the operational thing.
And so this is where it gets into, hey, you know, I did take a stupid long amount of training to get to this point.
And so I have some perspective on this, and I have done a lot of work on breast cancer and other things.
We are constantly having cancer arise in our bodies.
Mike, here's a bad news thing for you.
If you live long enough, you will die with prostate cancer.
Yeah, microtumors all throughout.
Exactly.
Both of us have the burden of being male.
At least I self-identify as male.
I don't know about you.
But that's going to happen to us, right?
Cancer arises.
And it's our immune systems that shut it down all the time.
They're constantly clearing it.
So, when we think about this, I think what really matters is we think about, is this clinically significant?
Not, could it happen in a, you know, one in a million humans or one in 10 billion cells?
But is it likely to be clinically significant?
How are you to find out if it's going to be clinically significant?
Oh, you do long-term clinical trial follow-ups.
Which hasn't been done.
Amen!
Right.
Exactly.
So you and I are on the same page.
And the biggest obscenity that I've seen in the last month, as far as I'm concerned...
Is this new normalization by the press that it's okay and it's a good thing that Pfizer and Moderna are now going to do studies to determine what exactly is the rate of cardiotoxicity in our children.
That is obscene.
It should have been done way before we started jabbing little boys.
Well, yeah, exactly.
And also, I think even experienced clinicians and experts in physiology and biology, they could take educated guesses of the impact of this that could be off by many orders of magnitude.
Someone might say, oh, maybe it's one in a million cells.
And many of them have.
One in 10 billion cells.
So it could be a lot of orders of magnitude difference.
That's why we do clinical research.
Exactly.
Before we administer these things to billions of people, I shouldn't be laughing.
It's not funny.
It's gallows humor.
Forgive me for laughing.
No, exactly.
We're all sort of laughing at the horror of it along with you.
How else can we defend ourselves?
I get this from people all the time.
It's the vaccine regret question.
I took the jab and I'm having issues.
Is there a way to clear the mRNA?
There are those in the Robert Malone is a dirty scoundrel controlled opposition camp that think that I should go back to the bench and solve this.
And what they miss is to set up a research program to address this question as somebody who has historically written literally billions and billions of dollars in contracts and had them won in this area of biodefense.
We're talking about a project that is probably going to require, at the outset, About $2 million to get going.
Oh, that seems like nothing.
As I say, at phase one, at the outset, at the exploratory phase, to get all the way through it, we're talking about $50 to $100 million.
Now, last time I checked in my bank account, I don't have that kind of money.
I don't even have a fraction of that kind of money.
You could always raise more horses.
Yeah, with a five-year turnaround time on a crop.
Right, right.
It only takes a few decades.
Nevertheless, not to diss these people or to make light of what they're saying, I am not aware.
I've racked my brain.
If I could come up with a way to defang what Pfizer and Moderna and the U.S. government and the World Health Organization and the WEF have done to all of us, I would snap my fingers and make it so.
But it ain't easy.
The RNA goes all over your body.
It lasts for a very long time.
It's very resistant to degradation because of the modifications they've done to it with the pseudouridine.
Like I said in the metaphor when I was talking about gene therapy in general, when you have something that lands in one in a million or one in a billion cells, you can't go in with a scalpel or a laser or something and take all that out.
There's no easy way to do it.
And there's various high-tech things that we could talk about, you know, that have been tried and failed repeatedly, like ribosimes.
I don't know a way out of this box, except tincture of time and treating the symptoms.
And so, you know, my friends, Pierre, Corey, and Paul Merrick, have...
Done the best they can in coming up with protocols to treat the post-vaccination syndrome.
And by the way, there's a paper out from, I don't know, six or nine months ago.
When you look at the symptoms of post-vaccination syndrome, and you look at the symptoms of long COVID, you cannot distinguish between the two, the same critter.
We've noticed that, yes.
Yeah.
And so, you know, you're left, and the problem is that the post-vaccination syndrome includes a lot of different kinds of disease, right?
There's the direct things that have to do with the immunosuppression and the potential toxicity.
I mean, I was one of the first to be banging the drum because all these women were telling me about their dysmenorrhea.
I testified to this fundamentalist Jewish group, to these rabbis up in New York and New Jersey, and they made a determination, because they're exquisitely sensitive to dysmenorrhea in the women in their parishes, or whatever they call them, and they made a determination these jabs should not be used in children or reproductive age adults, which is the decision the CDC should have made if they had...
A pair.
And followed the data.
But they didn't.
Right?
So Merrick and Corey at FLCCC have done their best to come up with some protocols.
And the problem is that There's so many different types of problems that are associated with the post-vaccination syndrome.
And just at the superficial level, one of the big ones is that it triggers clotting by a variety of different mechanisms.
And clotting is kind of like, back when I was a young student in training, medical student in Chicago, tuberculosis was a big problem.
One of the things about tuberculosis diagnostically is it mimics a whole bunch of things because it can attack any part of your body.
And so you can never be sure if you've got kidney disease or lung disease or whatever, that it isn't tuberculosis.
It always has to be in your differential.
The same is true with this kind of diffuse coagulopathy.
It can get your heart.
It can get your brain.
It can get your ears.
It can get your gonads.
It can get your kidneys.
It can affect virtually any part of your body.
And so you have to be able to figure out, are you having the coagulation?
Well, there's tests for that.
So are you having heart damage?
Well, you ought to get your cardiac troponin levels drawn.
And that heart damage can be caused by the clots or it can be caused by direct toxicity.
So the poor physicians that are at the front line treating patients, which I don't do.
I don't treat patients.
I did work diligently to discover an alternative therapy, and that was famotidine and silicoxib.
And it basically got killed by the FDA dragging their heels and not letting the Department of Defense go forward on that.
That's a whole other story.
So the problem with the post-vaccination syndrome is it's tough to diagnose it.
And the only thing we have right now for you, my friends, that I feel so sorry for, Is symptomatic treatment.
And by the way, one of those things that seem to help clearing the spike protein is...
Ivermectin.
Oh, yeah.
Imagine that.
And the FDA just recently came out and said that they were kidding when they said you shouldn't take ivermectin.
They said it was a casual recommendation.
The criminality here is amazing.
Well, I think our listeners completely agree with that.
Now, a couple of things.
Number one, I want to be mindful of your time, your late night, where you are on the planet right now.
Are you okay with about another ten minutes?
Yeah, let's go.
I appreciate your letting me kind of riff here.
I've been a little more free with my language.
I think the only time I was more free was when I was speaking to the truckers in Hagerstown when they were busy with a protest, and I kind of let the reins out on that one, too.
So for those that are real aficionados, they can hunt down the video of that, and they'll see me...
Robert Malone, Uninhibited.
But this has got to be number two on that list.
Great.
All right.
Well, we're on the top ten list anyway.
I want to remind our viewers, the book is called Lies My Government Told Me.
It's available everywhere now.
Is there an audible...
Oh, yes.
So now, after I get back from this trip and make it my way through the holidays, in addition to signing 2,000 sheets of paper that are going to get inserted into some of these books that are sold as the autographed version, I have to record every one of these chapters.
So expect me to cut back on my touring for a little while.
Uh-huh.
That's going to be fun.
I've always found that after signing about 500 books, you almost forget how to sign your own name.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
But, you know, it's the mission, and we've got to do it.
I also want to mention your Substack.
That's where most people find your work.
It's rwmalonemd.substack.com, which is how Substack works.
Let me brag on that for a moment.
I don't know if you took as much pleasure as I did in the announcement that CNN is going to be having widespread layoffs before Christmas.
Oh, yeah.
Please keep the crocodiles here at bay.
I've had no love for them, but here's the brag.
Our sub stack often reaches between 500,000 and a million people a day.
That's crazy.
Wow.
That is right in the ballpark of CNN primetime.
Wow.
Just a little shout out of happiness to my good friends at CNN. Wow, and also quite amazing the success of Substack itself because there are so many great authors.
Yeah, so shout out to Steve Kirsch on that one who alerted me to get going on Substack just a few weeks.
We're actually coming up on our one-year anniversary.
We put out pretty much religiously at least one a day.
So that'll be at least 365 of those.
And unfortunately, my wife, a few months ago, started putting them out as the Friday funnies and the Sunday strip.
And I think we're going to be putting out resistance funnies from now until we're in the grave.
As a consequence.
But Substack is free.
You don't have to pay for it.
But if you want to pay the five bucks a month, you get to participate in the chat room, which is a troll-free zone because generally trolls don't want to pay five bucks a month.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, great.
So that's perfect.
And folks, this is one way that you can participate in the discussion with anybody on the Substack too, right?
I think Substack...
Here's the fear about Substack that my friends in the media are concerned about.
Substack took venture capital money.
Substack will eventually be sold.
And when they do, It's going to be the same BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, Bank of America, Cabal.
And we're going to lose that platform, too.
And we've got to figure out where to migrate to next.
But for now, I'm grateful that the group of...
Free speech advocates that live in San Francisco that created Substack.
I just hope that they don't convert to the Gavin Newsom crowd and they allow us to continue publishing.
Well, if that happens, it sure would be great if you would happen to be on an interview with somebody right at this moment who owned platforms and can build platforms and has a massive R&D team and has our own hardware.
This is what we need to do.
To build.
We absolutely know.
You're bright in TV. What you're doing is absolutely critical.
And Dell Big Tree is another one.
Yep.
With his ICAN network, all of us that are in this kind of awoken space, not woke, have to be prepared for the day where we get deplatformed and hopefully by that time we have a Web3-like solution that has some blockchain protection or something that makes it so they can't just memory hole all of us.
Yeah, well said.
Okay, That's a discussion to happen, but in the meantime, we absolutely support Substack in case Substack founders are listening.
We love you.
Keep doing what you're doing, but if you do sell it, other people are going to fill that space.
Please, don't deploy for me.
Yeah, right, right.
Exactly.
A lot of great voices there.
Now, one of the last questions I want to ask you.
Now, I know that you don't go into speculation of what other people are thinking or their intentions and so on, but I got to ask you the depopulation question, because to a lot of viewers, it seems like This is intentional to kill people or to cause infertility or to remove people through disability out of the labor force.
You know, good numbers from Ed Dowd on that.
You talk about millions of Americans disabled and so on, and quite a few, well, a lot.
And you may not know that Ed was one of the primary authors of the Malone Declaration on Integrity that you can find at maloneinstitute.org.
And he is our third board member for Malone Institute.
Okay, I did not know that.
Ed and I met in Maui, it seems like forever ago, when we did an early protest there.
And I'm the one that introduced him to Bannon and tried to kind of raise his profile, and he's just exceeded expectations.
I think he's just done fantastic work.
Well, okay.
So then to the question, what's your take on this?
Is it just unintended consequences?
So like you said, I have to stick to the facts.
That's kind of my brand.
And it's also how I'm built and trained.
I live in a world of hypotheses.
So I don't draw conclusions.
I make hypotheses.
And then I try to test those hypotheses.
Regarding the eugenics and depopulation, it is unassailable that Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and Thierry Mallory and Yuval Harari and that whole cast...
Have written, and by the way, it goes all the way back to the 40s and the founding of the UN, this agenda that we have to have reduced human population on the earth.
It's all wrapped around this philosophical construct called Malthusianism, which is a core of...
The Agenda 2030 and the carbon credits and global warming and all that.
And all of that is true.
It is not debatable that these people have spoken in favor of depopulation and the necessity for depopulation.
And you cannot dispute that the documentation that Bobby Kennedy provided In that seminal work, The Real Anthony Fauci, about the role of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in testing and deploying vaccines in emerging economy populations that are hard to understand as anything other than a tool to engender female infertility
in young women.
Right.
All of that is on the record.
You can't dispute it.
It is what it is.
Personally, I think that it's really hard to tell the difference between incompetence and malfeasance or maliciousness.
And that is one of the biggest problems that I wrestle with in the book, and Jill does in the book, and ever since, is...
How much of this is due to scheming?
How else can we call it?
There was the Event 201 And that's all on the record, and you can't dispute that, what was said.
You can't dispute what happened with monkeypox and the planning with monkeypox and the weaponization of monkeypox.
And you can't dispute the international health regulations that are being promoted by our government that would give the World Health Organization and Tedros a lot more power.
You can't dispute that...
The G20 has just advocated for universal vaccine passports, health passes, that you're going to have to comply with if they have their way, if you want to travel to Mexico, Canada, Europe, wherever the hell.
Is that what's going on with the RNA? And I have to answer, I don't know.
I can't get in their heads.
They didn't invite me to their meetings.
There's a whole lot of stuff here that just reeks.
It's not right.
And you can't dispute the damage that's been done to people and children and mothers and elders.
Well, I'm struck...
It's hard to not...
I think it's really hard to resist the pull of coming to the conclusion that there is some long-term nefarious intent here, but I don't see the smoking gun yet, and I'm really discouraged that the Senate didn't flip harder, and my friend Ron Johnson is not going to be in a position where he could subpoena documents and make people testify.
Yeah.
And my fear is, since all of this sneaky business with FTX and everything that was apparently specifically designed to destroy conservative candidates, and we lost the momentum of a red wave, that...
We may never get to the bottom of this.
It's going to be another two years.
And by that time, it's going to be, you know, global warming, carbon credits, gun control, not having enough diesel, you know, supply chain problems, not enough food, blah, blah, blah.
And everybody's going to forget about this enormous tragedy that they've just done on us.
And we're never going to get to the bottom of it.
Well, and part of that, if that happens, it's because many of the victims are dead, and they cannot speak in their defense of what happened to them.
But I'm struck by the contrast.
Think about food safety or supplement safety.
You know, if a peanut butter manufacturer had released peanut butter with E. coli that killed five people...
There's no defense for what they've done.
It is disgusting.
It is wrong.
It is corrupt.
They have completely failed to demonstrate integrity.
They have lost their integrity.
And they should very well lose our support.
In a broad-based sense.
And that kind of also, just forgive me for keeping shilling the book, but the last part of the book is about what can we do about this?
How do we get to a better future?
The better future coming.
How does that happen?
We've got specific suggestions in there.
Really, it's not just come from me.
It's from talking to legal experts and a bunch of other people.
And I get called in to consult with a variety of legal groups in D.C. and conservative causes.
And I think that we can all agree that now, in retrospect, whatever we want to say about Donald Trump, he really did try to drain the swamp.
And Schedule F would have been a game changer.
And it almost passed through all the hurdles.
This would be the reclassification of federal employees to make it possible to fire them.
And to overcome the senior executive service, the people that really run the government that are totally unelected.
And the inverse totalitarian, inverted totalitarian administrative state that runs this country.
And until we figure out how to fix that, That is going to be a real challenge, and I don't know how we fix the other mess of HHS and Homeland Security.
But beyond that, I think that, as you and I discussed in pre-taping, We're, so many of us, and I assume this is, you know, I'm speaking to your audience, which is largely an awake audience.
Yes, yes.
We're aware of this dark Fourth Industrial Revolution transhumanism agenda.
By the way, there's some great chapters on transhumanism in the book also, and about ARPA-H, which is basically the intelligence community sticking their nose into NIH, and they now have a billion dollar annual budget to advance transhumanism from within the NIH. We're aware of that dark vision.
We've seen it play out in cyberpunk, William Gibson, and so many...
Bruce Sterling, and in the movie industry, we've seen it play out.
Of course, there's the movie series that defines this whole...
The situation we're in, The Matrix, with red pills and blue pills.
There's Terminator.
There's Mad Max.
There's so many of these dystopian visions that align with this slave state that the World Economic Forum wishes to shape for us.
And I think the challenge for all of us, and the challenge I put out to your listeners, How do we imagine a better future?
How do we imagine?
What does it look like?
What would Ronald Reagan do?
What would be morning in America?
And I don't have the answer, and I'm really wary of anybody that says they do.
But I think I know some of the outlines because I've seen him springing up all over the world.
And the opposite of centralized totalitarian, utilitarian Marxism as operated, you know, as a command economy out of some European country managed by the thousand largest corporations in the world with Klaus Schwab being in charge.
The opposite of that is decentralization.
And As far as I'm concerned, the most profound document About how to build a decentralized world, how to build a decentralized nation-state.
These guys no longer believe in nation-states.
That's the thing I keep saying about the WEFers that have been trained in the Young Leaders Program.
They all ought to be registered as foreign agents as far as I'm concerned.
They are not Americans.
They are not loyal to the U.S. Constitution.
They're loyal to their five-year training program.
And Gavin Newsom, I am looking at you.
And Justin Trudeau and all of those characters.
Jacinda Arden in New Zealand.
And plenty of governors across the U.S. as well.
Inslee.
Yeah.
And senators and congressmen and the Secretary of Transportation.
I don't even want to name his name.
They are all agents of the World Economic Forum.
What is our...
What is our alternative vision for the future?
We need to come up with something that the persuadable middle finds that they can buy off on.
They can appreciate.
They like.
And I think that the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, It's an amazing document teaching us about an intended decentralized nation-state, where each state operates as a laboratory of democracy, semi-autonomously, and the federal government has a limited role, largely around defense and regulation of interstate commerce, and it stays out of other things.
And the good news is there is a majority right now in the Supreme Court that gets it.
And we talk about the legal precedents there, and EPA versus West Virginia was a key case.
Right.
That's huge.
And beyond that, I think that together, if we put our heads together, As we create intentional communities within our churches, within our various communities, online and in real communities,
we can find ways to start to connect to each other And I think that's where we need to focus, is what is a decentralized world in which we have shared decentralized governance as opposed to these kind of command economies run by sociopaths and psychopaths and narcissists.
We've got to take back control, and I think the Congressional Council Congress and the founding, the wisdom of the founding fathers, it's only a few hundred years ago.
And they thought long and hard about this.
And I think they came up with a pretty good plan.
And I think we could use that as a good starting point to build a better future that is built on ideas of decentralized sovereignty and autonomy.
And I think we've got a pretty good roadmap in that document that those old farts gave us.
Well, you're speaking our language when you say decentralization.
I hammer that, and we need to think about it across everything, food and agriculture, medicine.
Science funding has got to be decentralized, because you know the horrors of the current system, NIAID and Fauci and everything.
But money itself needs to be decentralized.
Government decentralized.
Amen.
I'm not a gold bug, but we're buying gold.
That makes you a gold bug.
They're destroying the U.S. dollar.
Yep.
And they want to substitute central bank digital currency so they can have a tight leash with a choke chain on each one of us.
That's right.
That's all coming.
Well, we've covered...
An incredible array of topics here.
I know it's late where you are.
I really thank you for your time.
The book is Lies My Government Told Me and The Better Future Coming.
And we're going to put your website in the description too.
rwmalonemd.substack.com is the Substack page.
Anything else you want to mention before we wrap this up?
Yeah, be kind to each other.
We've got to help each other.
Nobody else is going to help us.
That's my closing words.
You know, and hug your kids.
And thanks, Mike, for the chance to talk to you and your audience.
Well, thank you, Dr.
Malone.
We appreciate you.
I appreciate your courage, your voice.
I think your voice is critical for our time, and I know you didn't have to speak out.
You didn't have to put yourself through all this, and yet you are, and you're determined, and you're sticking to it, and you've got a book that's got some solutions, and God willing, maybe we can get to the other side of this.
I think we're facing a multi-generational task.
It's not going to be easy.
But in a world in which the new casts are the physicals versus the virtuals versus the machines versus the overlords, those that live in the physical world, I think that we've got an advantage.
We know how to take care of ourselves.
That's true.
And you in particular, you can operate without a power grid, without combustion engines.
You've got horses that can help you with things.
See?
You're all set.
You've got a creek out back.
You're all good.
Water's important.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I'm the same way.
You know, I'm a lifelong prepper.
And I think with your multi-generational comment, you just made me look like the optimist, by the way.
So thank you for that.
I appreciate it.
All right.
Well, Dr.
Malone, have a wonderful evening.
Thank you for joining us.
Don't disconnect quite yet.
I understand.
A few seconds after we wrap this up.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thanks a lot, Mike.
Thank you, Dr.
Malone.
And folks, feel free to repost this interview on other channels and other platforms.
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