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Sept. 14, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Samantha Bailey, coauthor of 'Virus Mania,' joins Mike Adams to discuss pandemics...
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Welcome to this interview today.
Mike Adams here.
We're joined by a new guest, an extraordinary woman who has authored a book called Virus Mania.
Her name is Dr.
Samantha Bailey.
She joins us from halfway around the world, from New Zealand.
You've got to check out this book and her website, which is drsambailey.com.
She's been a medical doctor for 16 years and she is making waves by asking big questions about the whole thing, all the epidemics and all the pharma push and the fear-mongering about everything.
Polio, Spanish flu, hepatitis, avian flu, you name it.
She joins us today to talk about these topics and to answer some tough questions as well.
So, Dr.
Bailey, it's an honor to have you on.
Thank you for joining me today.
Thank you so much, Mike.
And please just call me Sam.
I'm a humble Kiwi girl.
Okay, okay.
All right.
I'll call you Sam or Dr.
Sam.
Which way?
Sam's fine.
Okay, Sam.
Okay, well, Sam, first of all, I was so impressed by your book.
I like to listen to audiobooks when I'm working on my ranch, and so I'm always checking out interesting books.
I forgot even who recommended this to me, but somebody told me, I've got to hear your book.
So I got it as an audio version, I think, on audible.com.
Which is an Amazon company, but whatever.
I downloaded the book, started listening.
I was blown away.
You were getting into so much detail.
Just for our audience, though, tell us an overview, if you could.
What is Virus Mania?
What's the main premise of the book to start with?
Yeah, so virus malaria is really about this idea that COVID-19 and other pandemics don't just happen, that it's not an accident, that there's a lot behind the scenes of corruption, the collusion between big government, big pharma, industry, medical doctors, and These pandemics are in some ways crafted and it goes through from the beginning.
So it talks about the history of germ theory and it's really important because most people don't even know that there's this other thing called terrain theory in the background that explains a lot of why people get You know, an alternative theory of why people get sick and unwell.
And so it goes through the history of the fraud that people like Louis Pasteur were involved in.
And a lot of these big institutions, so things like the RKI, which is the German equivalent of the CDC, It goes through, again, the collusion with the FDA and runs through all the big pandemics.
And particularly what really struck me, because if you like, Mike, I can tell you really quickly how I came into this book, because it was a little bit serendipitous, a bit...
God was pushing me in a particular direction.
I read the book early in 2020 for the very first time.
I wasn't an author for it.
But the HIV and AIDS is really interesting because it is just this identical play of what happened with COVID. The final chapter is really about COVID-19 and everything that went on with that.
It really leads you to this question of Maybe viruses aren't the cause of illness.
Maybe there's something else that's going on.
And then you can go down all sorts of other rabbit holes after that.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I also want to clarify, just for the sake of your co-authors, that this work has involved several people.
I want to give credit to your co-authors as well.
Can you just introduce them, even though they're not here with us, but who are they?
Yeah.
Please.
Yeah, thank you.
So it was mostly written originally, the earlier editions were written by two German people.
So Torsten Engelbrecht, who's an investigative journalist, and also Dr.
Klaus Kernlein, who's a German physician, and he's worked closely with AIDS patients and the HIV. And so that was their interest.
Primary focus in the original versions were on HIV and AIDS. But then they expanded and went into lots of other different viruses and show you also the fraudulent science that so much of this, you know, that you take for granted, you think is all, like what I was taught at medical school, that, for example, that the Spanish flu is a contagious respiratory disease.
You know, disease.
And they go back and they show you the, we look through the original experiments of the Spanish flu studies.
And that in itself is just one area that's fascinating to show that they can't make people sick, even when they try every which way to do it, these supposedly incredibly contagious diseases.
So let me jump in right there with a couple of things.
So The overall premise of modern virology is, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but it is that there exist tiny particles which are not alive.
They are non-living structures, proteins, so-called viruses.
They are probably typically on the micro scale, not nano scale, I think, but mostly micro scale.
And that when someone is exposed to these things, That then these things make them sick.
They show symptoms and these things then replicate and then spread to other people.
And I think that is kind of mainstream virology that merely the presence of these particles causes the disease and the sickness and the symptoms.
Is that a fair description or am I leaving something out?
Yeah, it's pretty close.
I think, you know, the original idea of viruses came back from going right back was this tobacco mosaic virus, which was, it's a plant virus, you know, so-called, in better quotes, virus.
And so, yeah, it's supposed to be a, it's got some genetic material inside.
It's covered by a proteinaceous coat.
It replicates inside the host, the plant.
causes disease in another.
And when you go back, and this is the crucial thing, and this is why, for example, COVID-19 is such a fraud, is that when you look at, has this actually ever been shown?
Have they isolated viruses?
Have they shown that this one entity can cause disease in another?
No, it's never been done.
And most people, they just repeat what they've been told and what they've heard.
And I was the same.
Going back to medical school, I learned all the things.
I never went back to the original research.
Why would you?
You just trust that this is correct.
But over the last two years, myself and my husband, who's also a former doctor, have gone back and looked at all the papers and The original, you know, and some of these are going back into the 1800s, and you realize it's never been done.
They can't show that these things called viruses make people, you know, cause illness, cause disease.
So this is extraordinary, and I have interviewed other people who are also, I think, sharing this line of investigation, like Dr.
Christine Massey, who has written hundreds of letters, I think FOIA-type requests, asking for any documentation from I mean, medical institutions, universities, governments all around the world asking for any evidence that would back up what you just described.
That is, for example, taking a sick person, isolating virus particles from that sick person, and then introducing those virus particles to a non-sick person, and then observing that person becoming sick with the same symptoms that were found in the original person.
At least if I'm describing this correctly.
And then no one has been able to demonstrate scientifically that this process is happening.
And Christine Massey has never been able to get a letter from any institution in the world, not science, medicine, universities, governments, affirming that they have any evidence that this has happened.
Have I said all that correctly from your point of view?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
No, definitely, Mike.
You're right on the money.
Yeah.
And I know Christine, she's the loveliest, kindest soul.
And yeah, she's done fantastic work exposing this from the institutions that there's no evidence of it.
And we've even taken it a step further with Christine's part of this as well, where we've written a statement.
My husband was actually one of the main co-authors of it.
The settling the virus debate statement, which is essentially...
We're asking that virology do, because one of the big things with this, Mike, is that they never do controlled experiments.
So they'll show, there's thousands of papers claiming that these, for example, SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated, but they never do the control experiment.
It's all a bit of sleight of hand.
And so the statement that about 18 other people, 20 of us have signed, Is to say, let's do these experiments.
Let's show us these controlled experiments and using their own techniques.
So using the same scientific, so the electron microscopy, the cell culture techniques, the genomics, all of that, but doing it with blinded controls to prove that what they're saying is correct.
What we've found is that no one has done this.
And it's shocking because the whole world has gone into a totalitarian lockdown because of this fraudulent science.
Yeah, it really is extraordinary.
And at the same time, the things that you are documenting in your book are rather extraordinary as well.
I'm going to ask you Perhaps some skeptical questions as well to address, but I want to point out something else that is fascinating that's related to all this.
New York City has been, they just declared a state of emergency over polio found in the sewage, not even polio in people.
They don't have anybody walking around New York City with symptoms of polio.
They've been running PCR tests on the poop.
And they say they found it there, so they declare a state of emergency when no one is sick, and they declare a massive vaccine injection priority when no one is sick.
And all I can think of here, and pardon my language, everybody, but this is proof that medicine has gone to shit.
Because that's what they're watching now.
It's like they're not even looking at the people.
I know.
And this is what it's become now.
And we saw this really more apparently with COVID. I mean, on a level that I've never seen before in my time working as a doctor, that you can get tested, do everything.
It doesn't matter if you have symptoms or not.
And this is what medicine has become.
It's turned into this monster thing.
Where everything's based on genomics and PCR testing and they don't need you to be sick.
And this is the fraud.
That's just extraordinary what you just said.
But you're right.
Yeah, and it doesn't have to be...
It can be anything.
Like polio is an example.
And what's scary now, too, is that they do all the surge testing, doing PCR tests, which are, again, another fraudulent test.
They've never been shown to be able to diagnose anything.
It's basically an amplification tool.
It increases the amount of data so that you can detect...
Tiny molecules of genetic material, but it doesn't tell you that that can make you sick, whatever that molecule was.
An example in New Zealand was that we went into a severe Level 4 lockdown for one case in New Zealand.
The whole of New Zealand went into this Level 4 lockdown and it changed everything for us.
And this is what these public health officials can do.
They have a lot of power.
Yeah, it's really extraordinary.
Okay, one more thing I want to observe that actually describes why I became so interested in this subject that you are talking about, and why I've interviewed people like Dr.
Thomas Cowan and Dr.
Andy Kaufman and so on, because early in the masking effort of COVID-19, There was a study, and I don't recall who published it, but a study that just looked at what germs are found in the masks that people are wearing.
And I recall the study saying, oh, well, yeah, we took the masks and then we ran microbiology and PCR tests and so on.
And we found in the masks of just everyday people wearing them for eight hours.
Here's what we found.
And they go through this list of tuberculosis and all these diseases, respiratory diseases and oral diseases and cancer viruses and all this stuff.
And there's a long list, like 20 pathogens.
And the question in my mind was, well, then why aren't these people sick?
If all these pathogens are in their masks, obviously it came out of their bodies.
So then why aren't they sick?
If the theory is that if you have this pathogen, then you have the disease.
That question really got me thinking about this.
Ring a bell?
Do you recall that?
100%, Mike.
I mean, I think for me personally, this has been a huge journey because I came from allopathic medicine.
I believed in all of this.
I believed in vaccination.
In the last two years, it's been a huge wake-up for me on a personal level as well.
And to see that Even these terms that we use, and it's hard because it's just in everyday language, but things like pathogen, immune system, infections, it all plays into this lie, really, that we do have these bacteria and parasites and things inside of us.
Fungi, it doesn't mean that it causes disease.
They're actually our friends.
They're there to help us.
And that's the whole basis of terrain theory.
And interestingly, you know, there's been false.
We talk about it in virus mania as well.
And interesting, a false epidemic that was recorded was a whooping cough, a pertussis epidemic.
Where someone started coughing in this medical institution and essentially they did PCR testing and everyone came back positive for whooping cough.
But then they actually did the proper culturing of the pertussis and they couldn't get any cases.
So it was a fully fictional false test.
Epidemic of whooping cough.
And this is what they can do with these tests.
So we all have bacteria, all these things everywhere on us and around us and inside of us.
We can't live without them.
And it's moving away from this mindset, shifting away to say they can't harm us, they can't hurt us, that they're there to help.
And yeah, there are other ways.
There are other reasons that we get sick and we're ignoring that because there's no money in it.
Right.
And power as well, because the fear that goes along with these so-called outbreaks and pandemics, it gives government organizations and the CDC and pharma tremendous power.
I mean, total control over people's lives.
You must lock down.
You must shut down.
You must put your children in rooms for weeks at a time.
You must wear this.
You must inject that.
It's extraordinary.
So their narrative is so powerful that they have every motivation to push this narrative, whether it's backed by real science or not.
I mean, think about the vaccine companies making tens of billions of dollars in profits, even when sometimes millions of doses of their vaccines end up getting destroyed.
Well, but they still made money off of them anyway, just because nations and cities overpurchased based on the fear factor.
The fear is the marketing campaign, I think.
Yes, exactly.
And you're right.
And all roads lead to vaccines, regardless of whether there's, you know, so-called infectious diseases or not.
I mean, there's published white papers.
I think it was the PwC did a paper, was it in 2007?
Sorry, don't quote me on that, but something around then where they were looking at where to for big pharma, you know, what are we going to invest our money in?
And it's vaccines for everything.
It's not just, you know, polio or whatever else.
It's looking for cancers, for cocaine addiction, for anything imaginable.
You know, it's just this is their business model.
And, I mean, frankly, we've seen what's happened with the COVID-19 vaccines.
They're toxic.
They're dangerous.
And, you know, it's never-ending.
And then they can blame whatever happens on more of these kind of outbreaks and It becomes very hard to start pulling back the layers going, why has this person become unwell?
Is it because of the vaccine?
Is it something else?
Is there another toxin in the environment?
It becomes very difficult to try and tease back what's going on.
Yeah, that's a really good point where even if the vaccine is toxic, the toxicity can be blamed on the so-called pathogen in order to drive more vaccines.
We saw that with HIV and AIDS and then interventions such as AZT back in the late 80s and 90s.
So a lot of usually it was gay men that were being treated with AZT.
And then they became very, very symptomatic as their immune systems were being destroyed by the drug.
And then their immune suppression was labeled AIDS.
And Fauci was involved in that, too, by the way.
That was kind of the first round of the Fauci fraud.
But it's the same kind of thing.
It's like, hey, the intervention makes you sick, and then the sickness is diagnosed as the disease that demands more intervention.
Exactly.
And we're just, we're guinea pigs in this whole thing.
You know, we're innocent.
And people are.
And I feel sorry because I think this is happening again for gay men with the monkeypox business.
And they're being targeted because they are a group that get excessive testing done.
You know, they're tested every three to six months anyway.
If you're HIV positive, you're on a lot of, you know, these HIV drugs.
And it's a factory farm of getting people into this model and you can't get out of it.
It's very difficult to try if you say, actually, I don't really want to be on these medicines anymore.
In the UK, for example, they have laws that says that if you're pregnant or you have children and you refuse to take the HIV medicines, they can take your children away from you because you're a risk to the child.
It's crazy and this is the kind of world we're living in now and it's trying to take back those power and I think the first step is realizing how much of a fraud this is.
It takes away the fear and that for me is the biggest thing with virus mania with the book is it really removes that fear of that there are these things, pathogens and microbes we should be scared of.
That's nonsense.
So, folks, if you're just joining us, we're interviewing Dr.
Samantha Bailey, the author of Virus Mania.
You can find that book at booksellers everywhere.
It's also available on audible.com as a downloadable audio file.
And I strongly recommend you check out this book.
Check out her website, which is also drsambailey.com, but doctor is shortened to dr.com.
So, I've got so many questions for you.
Thanks for staying with us here, Sam, as you asked me to call you.
So then, is the theory, from where you're coming from, is the theory that...
These particles that are found often with disease, or let's say they are, that they might be the byproduct of cell death, and thus they're not the instigator of disease or symptoms, but rather the result of cell membrane waste products from dying cells.
Is that part of the theory?
Yeah.
Potentially, to be honest with you, I still, I'm not sure.
I just, what both myself and my husband do, because my husband, like I said, he's a former doctor as well.
We go back through the research and we try to look for, well, what's the evidence show us?
And really what we were interested in is what's the provenance of these particles that we can see?
You know, what Are they, you know, do they come from, you know, where do they come from?
And I think that's one theory is that it's breakdown, you know, that these are exosomes and these are part of, you know, our genetic material.
There are these things, I don't know if you've heard of called bacteriophages, which are prolific.
They're found a lot in the sea and they're thought to be Like genetic lifeboats of information.
And this is where we were all supposedly taught, you know, back in medical school, when you're shown pictures of viruses, they show you basically pictures of bacteriophages and they say, this is the model.
And like any of these models that they apply, it's just that someone somewhere has made up the story and then it's just propagated and it turns into fact and dogma.
I'm not sure what the significance is of these pictures that they show you and say, well, point here, this is the virus.
I think potentially they are exosomes.
But again, so much, I think, of what we were taught is not...
It's just these models, and I don't know if they're necessarily correct.
And Tom Cowan's really interesting because he talks a lot about even the structure of the cell, for example, and how a lot of this is just another model that's been put there, and you don't even know for sure if what we're learning there is right either, and it becomes this can of worms.
Modern science is really good at creating models and then pretending that the models are reality.
We find this, obviously, in chemistry, too, which we work in our lab with a lot of chemistry.
And all the chemistry books or even physics books are the same, like, oh, here's the atomic nuclei with the orbiting probability waves of electron clouds, and they go on this axis and that axis.
And then these electrons are little balls floating around, except when they're not.
And then they're not.
And no one knows where they are.
And then they're back.
And it's like, you know, okay, you're making this up.
Totally.
I know.
And for me, virology was a big shock because I... You know, I trusted.
I thought this is all, it all been established and it was all, you know, and people, I get that all the time, you know, people like, why?
That's crazy that you think that they don't exist.
And I'm not saying always, I say people, of course, people get sick and people get unwell, but I don't believe that viruses are the things that makes people, you know, get sick.
Oh, sorry, you go.
Yeah.
No, this is where I'd like to ask you kind of a skeptical question.
I think one of the markers of infectious disease would be the rate of spread.
That if it were, let's say, along an exponential type of curve, I think that would indicate, you know, spreading from person to person and then the number of people, you know, increasing to spread it to more people.
It's an exponential curve.
Yeah.
Why is humanity under the impression that that's the kind of spread that is always taking place with these diseases?
Although, I'll even answer myself partially, in the case of COVID spreading in the United States, after New York City, it basically didn't do that.
But why are we all under the impression that it's going to be an exponential spread?
Yeah, again, it's the language that's been used here.
So I like to go back and back and back to the basis.
And basically, what are we talking about?
Are we talking about spread of like a test that's been done?
You know, how is it being measured?
What is it?
And I think this is a common problem that we all have.
We're all looking for something like, what is it?
What is spreading?
And that in itself, that question is wrong.
I don't think there is anything, you know, there is such a thing as it, that people get unwell, but there are for different reasons.
And it's complex.
You know, there's hundreds of things that people are exposed to in their environment.
We're all under different, you know, stresses.
You know, all the kind of terrain stuff that's going on.
It's sort of, I try and step back out of that language because it becomes confusing.
One of the things, I'm sorry, early on, I was just going to quickly say about COVID, was I looked into, you know, what is a COVID-19 case defined by?
There are no specific signs or symptoms.
The Cochrane Capp collaboration have said that.
There are no specific signs or symptoms that defines whether something is COVID or not.
And it comes down to the PCR test.
That's it.
That's how something's diagnosed.
So the PCR tests were spreading at an exponential rate across the country.
All those lateral flow tests.
Yeah, exactly.
And then there were all these, quote, cases.
And then we had the, quote, case-demic, which was, by and large, perfectly healthy people diagnosed with what we know is a fraudulent PCR test.
And by the way, I have firsthand experience with the PCR fraud because...
My lab is a food science lab, and we do conventional microbiology testing for all of our food that we sell.
So we're doing testing for E. coli, salmonella, yeast, and mold, and so on.
And then we heard about, hey, you could use PCR to speed this up.
You could do in 12 hours what used to take three days.
All you got to do is buy this PCR equipment and test it for the genetic fingerprint of the bacteria that are in the food.
So we actually sat down with a major PCR manufacturer to purchase their equipment.
I mean, we had a quote and everything.
And it ended up we didn't do it because in the last meeting, I was asking them, I'm like, so how do we get quantitative numbers out of this?
Because I want to know how many colonies are there.
Because all the FDA regulations, and I'm sorry for taking up so much of the time here, but the FDA regulations say you have to be under a certain amount of contamination.
It's an actual hard number, and it's different in the EU, and it's different in Canada and Japan and so on.
But in order to know if your food passes or fails, you have to know the number.
Like, how much of this stuff is in this food?
And they told me PCR doesn't give you any numbers, doesn't tell you how much.
It just tells you if there's one or more.
And I'm like, well, what use is that in food science?
Exactly.
And this is the thing, and Mike, it's like a multi-billion, probably trillion dollar industry, just in itself, you know, this testing thing, and it's bogus.
Like, I mean, if you can, PCR is probably, it's definitely, you know, it can measure things like bacteria, and, you know, these are quantifiable, you know, I don't want to conflate them with so-called viruses, but But this industry in itself, there's a lot of money in it, and a lot of people have done very well.
Early on in 2020, I had a fact-checking article written about me because I made a video about PCR tests and what they were doing in New Zealand.
They basically were turning the funding off and on for the PCR tests here, and then you'd get a boost in cases when they turned on the funding, and then they turn it off again and it goes down again.
It was very easily controlled.
Wow, you can control the pandemic with government grants.
Totally.
Amazing.
And the fact-checking article that was written about me by AFP, one of the people that was the experts writing this, you know, that they went to, owned a PCR diagnostic test company in New Zealand.
I mean, it's just so...
Corrupt the whole thing.
And you realize, like, I don't want anything to do with them.
It's just, it's really bad.
So, okay, let me bring in something else that I think you'll appreciate, too.
Back to the lab testing, and this is confirming what you're just saying.
The PCR testing is absolutely fraudulent.
When we do testing in our lab for things like lead, let's say heavy metals, we have external standards.
So we buy NIST traceable external standards known for We know that's 100 parts per million lead, let's say, or 10 parts per billion or whatever.
So we show the instrument what lead looks like at different concentrations, and then we run our unknown sample, right?
This is what science is supposed to do.
And then they tell us, oh, the unknown sample falls here on your spectrum of knowns, and therefore, oh, it's 52 parts per billion or whatever.
Well, I tried to buy, as a lab, and we're an ISO-accredited lab, I tried to buy COVID-19 A COVID external standard, which would be a COVID isolation of nothing but COVID particles.
And I found...
I went online and I went to all these companies and they were offering COVID-19 or really SARS-CoV-2 isolates.
And then in the ingredients section or the disclaimer of this standard, so-called standard, they would say, and it contains bovine cells and like...
I forgot all the animals and things that were in there.
Oh, and human blood cells and things that are not SARS-CoV-2.
It's filled with all kinds of stuff, and it was originally taken from the snot of this woman that stepped off a plane from China, so we assumed she had COVID. I'm like, wait a second.
This is not scientific at all.
They're selling snot samples, calling it COVID, and it's full of cow serum and so on.
Exactly.
It was mind-blowing.
I know.
And this is the thing, Mike.
I can't point this out enough.
People that are skeptical of this, it's like, go and just look at this stuff yourself.
Like, I don't even trust my word for it.
Like, it's going...
Have a look at some of these...
Like you say, read the leaflets of what these isolates and things are supposed to be.
It's just...
It's so...
The fraud is on just the biggest...
It's mind-blowing, the level.
And once people realize this, what we've been sold, it's just...
Stepping out of it, not buying into any of the nonsense and trying to live in a healthy way without vaccines and these other kind of pharmaceuticals they're trying to sell us.
But yeah, you're right.
It's crazy.
So there must be some other overriding theory that explains...
I mean, something that goes along with the terrain theory.
It's not just a vulnerability in your terrain that allows...
insult to achieve traction in your body, let's say.
But I've been even thinking, I'll go ahead and share this publicly with you, but what about ideas like morphic resonance, where we've seen documented cases where, for example, xylitol used to be a liquid at room temperature, and then xylitol began to freeze and form xylitol used to be a liquid at room temperature, and then xylitol began to freeze and form And then everywhere around the world, all the other labs, xylitol did the same thing, started to become solid, even though those labs never had any contact with each other.
And there are numerous documented cases of pharmaceuticals manufactured by mainstream pharma companies that had the same problem.
They could never return back to their liquid states when one of the labs somewhere on the planet became a solid and then all the others became solids all over the world.
They had to pull drugs off the market.
I've documented this.
Well, I mean, I've.
Other books documented it, and then I did my own book called The Contagious Mind, based on that.
But have you ever heard of that, Sam, of sort of molecules sharing information over distance?
Yeah, I think it's fascinating.
I didn't know of the one you just mentioned, but there's also...
Have you heard of that 100 monkeys?
Yes.
The 100 monkey kind of idea as well?
Yeah, same thing.
Yeah, and it is fascinating.
In fairness, I haven't looked into it deeply enough, but yeah, I think it's not just one thing.
I think there's so many...
The factors that are going on.
And I don't like to say it's all just, you know, some people I think get hooked up on, oh, it's all this, it's all EMF, or it's all psychological, like German New Medicine kind of stuff.
And I don't know that I would agree with that.
I think it's a combination of all sorts of things that are happening in and around us.
And like you say, we are.
We're spiritual human beings that are interacting with people and there's all sorts of things that we're not even aware of that are going on like pheromones and hormone interactions with people.
It's probably infinitely complex and we can't apply a model to it.
There isn't going to be a viral explanation, a nice little bumper sticker slogan that you can say to explain why did COVID happen.
I think it was a manufactured event and unfortunately we're the human guinea pigs in this whole Giant experiment.
And we've been tricked in a lot of ways.
And I think fear plays a huge role in illness.
I really believe strongly in that.
There's another theory.
Can you stay a couple more minutes?
Of course, Mike.
I'd love to.
Okay, okay.
Okay, well, thank you.
I know it's daytime where you are.
It's getting late here, but this is such a fascinating conversation.
There's another theory that says that the bioweapons that were developed, the SARS-CoV-2, is really a bioweapon, kind of like a chemical weapon or a...
You know, a so-called nanoparticle, even though it might be larger than that, that is a kind of chemical weapon.
And the theory goes that this weapon was distributed around New York City or northern Italy even before that.
So according to this theory, there wasn't even really a virus, so to speak, but rather just toxins, just kind of Toxic particles that could have been aerosolized, could have been put on surfaces, common public surfaces, subway rails or door handles or whatever, and that those two cities were hit hard or those regions were hit hard.
And then that was all that was necessary to create the panic, get people into the hospitals where they could then be killed by ventilators and other interventions, including remdesivir.
And then that could cause the mortalities that were then attributed to COVID.
And so they just needed to kickstart the whole pandemic, and then they could generate the deaths in the hospitals.
What do you think about that theory?
Yeah, I just don't like to speculate too much about these things.
I like to see evidence that that was the case.
It's possible, but I feel deep down in my soul that this whole bioweapon thing It feeds back into the overall arching thing.
It feeds back into the viral model and the viral belief system in its heart.
And that's why I really think it's wrong.
I think the bioweapon is the vaccine, if I'm perfectly honest.
I think injecting that stuff is toxic and will cause problems for people.
But whether they did, I don't know how they, you know, they're spraying surfaces, they're doing things.
I know that in Italy, for example, they have high levels of pollution in the Lombardi region.
You know, there's lots of other things that were going on.
It's fascinating going back to the original stuff, like in Wuhan, what happened.
Yes.
Really, at the origin and to see that there was nothing new.
There was nothing different that happened with the patient zero.
They declared it was.
Some people said, you know, some doctors said, we've got a new deadly disease here.
And then there was the whole thing about an ophthalmologist dying, trying to whistleblow.
And, you know, it all just spirals.
It creates its own beast, as it were.
I personally think that you don't need anything.
Any, like, toxin or anything.
It's just the fear narrative itself is enough to, you know, to control people and to make them believe that something's happening.
You know, media is very convincing.
You show people pictures of coffins and, and we know that there was a lot of fake news going on at that time where they were showing pictures from African, you know, from years before of these coffins and stuff.
And they weren't even, you know, it wasn't from the, the, the, the contemporary time, but I, yeah.
This is fascinating because you're getting into mind body connections and, you know, we've written about this before as well.
There are, well, the kind of fear imagery and so on can program people's minds to make it real in their bodies.
So in other words, there's going to be a certain percentage of the population that self-diagnoses or even self-actualizes the symptoms.
So, for example, even in realms of, let's just say, hypnosis, People can be told that they're about to be touched with, let's say, the end of a burning cigarette on their skin, even though it's not.
They're blindfolded.
But then they're just touched with like a pencil eraser.
But then their skin will react as if they had been burned.
Same thing is true with poison ivy.
There have been published studies about people when they're told this is poison ivy, their skin will develop all these rashes, even though it's not poison ivy, just something completely different.
So some people's minds make it real.
What are your thoughts on that?
Definitely.
Yeah.
And I've seen that myself.
I worked in clinical trials for some years.
And I remember we would give, in the run-in period where people are starting a new medication, you have to usually give placebo.
And we would know that, but the patient wouldn't know that.
And people would start getting side effects.
And I'd know that it was from the placebo, but I couldn't say anything.
You'd have to stop them being part of the trial and things because they were developing it.
And it's not that...
I feel bad because it's not the...
You know, people will say, oh, you're crazy.
No, it's nothing to do with that.
It's...
There is, like you say, a very strong mind-body connection.
And if you do this on a mass scale...
And the thing that's also different about COVID from any other time is that we're living in a digital age where everything is instant.
If something happens in Italy, we know about it immediately.
And you think, when in time would this have happened?
In Virusmania, we talk about the Spanish flu and how it couldn't have happened.
A virus couldn't explain it because of all the different outbreaks that happened.
There wasn't the communication, the physical contact with one person to another in Texas versus somewhere in Spain.
It just couldn't have happened the way it did in terms of all these outbreaks happening all over the globe.
So yeah, I think you're right.
There is this strong digital phenomena that we have that's changed the way these pandemics happen now.
I think this speaks to something very important, which is that Western medicine focuses on the material side.
The mechanical side, if you will.
So everything in Western medicine and even Western science talks about the mechanics of it, right?
So, oh, there's this pump that pumps these minerals through the cell membrane into the cytoplasm, and then there's this part and this chunk, and everything's very, very physical, right?
And then they talk about drugs.
Oh, this drug is like a key in a lock on a receptor site, and here's a rendered 3D animation so you can imagine.
Look at the little blue triangles go into the little green squares or whatever, and people are like, oh yeah, that's how it works.
But actually, that's just an animation.
It's like a video game.
Exactly.
I'm so glad you say that, Mike, because it is.
And I mean, you feel foolish.
I feel foolish thinking, oh my gosh, I believed all these things that we were taught as though it was dogma.
And if you question this stuff, you know, people think you're crazy, but it's right.
There's not...
They just draw pictures and say, this is what it is.
And you think, okay, when you actually look at the evidence, and that's what I've really focused on, and that's why I say I'm not really into trying to speculate too much.
I want to see the evidence for it.
I appreciate that about you, by the way.
Yeah, but it's really, when you look at this stuff yourself, and I know that some of these papers are really technical, but thankfully, you know, even on my website, I've made a lot of videos.
They're for free.
People can watch them about things like viral isolation and try and just simplify it and make it easier for people to understand that all these things we've been told, it's not as it seems.
Okay, so...
I'm sorry to interject, but this is already super fascinating.
You mentioned you were part of clinical trials in the past.
Did you help run some clinical trials?
Is that what you did?
I was like a sub-investigator.
Don't hate me for that.
No, not at all.
I'm about to ask you a question, but that helps qualify it.
Are you familiar with the phenomenon where, let's say, there's an antidepressant drug that is being tested in a clinical trial, and then, of course, there's one group that's given the drug, and then there's another group that is the control group, let's say, that's given the placebo, but it's blind, so the people don't know what they have.
Well, then the people are so brainwashed by drug advertising that they want to be in the group that's getting the real drug because they believe the drug is going to help, you know, rebalance my brain chemistry or whatever the ad said.
And so when they begin to experience negative side effects, they get really positive and excited because they say, I've got the real drug because, you know.
My hair is falling out.
I can't get erections or whatever.
You know, things are going wrong.
This is awesome.
I'm getting the drug.
And then they get positive and they become no longer depressed.
Have you heard of that phenomenon?
Yeah, I didn't work with antidepressants, but yes, I worked a lot in cardiology trials.
And yeah, you definitely see that.
And it's kind of...
But yeah, and people also would get really angry if they weren't getting any...
Any side effects.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I wouldn't know what I want.
But the level of brainwashing in society, I'm sorry if I'm getting over interruptive here, but the level of brainwashing in all of society has to be factored into this.
Because without all the television advertising, nobody would want to experience negative side effects.
But because of the ads, they're like, oh, I've got to have the negative side effects because that tells me I'm getting the real drug and that's going to solve my brain problem.
So there's something twisted.
You can't even have a clinical trial, frankly, unless you find somebody who's never watched television.
Yeah, I mean, there's so many problems with clinical trials, how they operate.
I mean, just as a minor thing, the people, like the patients that you try and get into the studies, they're so selected.
Like, you try and get them, you know, as good as possible, you know, fitting these particular, you know, defined criteria.
In some ways, it never represented what was happening in the real world, as it were.
It doesn't represent reality at all.
It's this very manufactured way in order to get the particular outcome that the drug company is looking for.
Yeah.
And so the other takeaway from all of this is, if you look at placebo effects in clinical trials across the board, something like, you could say the placebo effect, which is really mind-body medicine, is effective at about 35% of everything.
So the mind can solve almost every problem with some level of efficacy if the patient believes it to be so.
I mean, that should be the biggest story in the history of medicine.
Yeah, exactly.
And I mean, there's some fantastic books written about this, but I mean, I look at, you know, medicine, 95% of what medicine does is not, you know, you can get rid of it.
There's such a tiny percentage, and I'm not saying all of it, you know, there are some good things.
I think emergency medicine and You know, acute, when people are hurt and trauma, that really can help.
But so much of it is, it's in our own control.
And medicine relies on this, I'm talking about allopathic medicine, is this externalization of your problems.
You know, it's all, there's something that's happened to me.
It's not my fault.
And, you know, you give it to someone else to try and fix.
That is the wrong mindset.
Right.
It should be more about taking control of it yourself and saying, I have the power.
I can be cured of this.
This is not, you know, this is, it's something's happened, but I need to look around in my environment and think about what's going on in my life and how can I try and fix it myself.
Absolutely.
And where you live, you're in New Zealand.
And I don't know the proper term, but I know that New Zealand has, there was an indigenous population there.
And also, of course, in Australia, the aborigines, and they have a system of medicine.
And there are indigenous medical systems all over the world, Tibetan medicine, Amazonian rainforest medicine, and even all throughout modern day China, traditional Chinese medicine, and so on.
All of these systems have some level of efficacy, but they don't have to resort to the mechanization of Of processes.
And they don't have to use microscopes.
You can tell more about a person from tongue diagnosis in Chinese medicine than even with an MRI in a Western hospital.
Can you tell us about what kind of indigenous medicine exists in New Zealand?
Yeah, well, so the Maori people, the indigenous population in New Zealand, it's, you know, it is, I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about it.
I know that what we were taught in medical school, which now I'm like, I don't know how much of that is true.
Right.
It's much more just holistic.
I've really moved personally just to this idea of trying to figure out, work on yourself and looking at everything in your environment that we're exposed to.
I mean, there are toxins for sure, and you guys know that, with heavy metals, there's things that can...
But it's figuring those things out and going, okay, well, what can I do?
And being really brutally honest with yourself too, like thinking about, you know, what's my relationship like?
Have I been fighting with my spouse?
Or, you know, there are things that are going on that not all of us, you know, we don't really want to admit to ourselves, but they have an effect on us, you know, the negativity in a household.
So yeah, I think I'm still trying to figure it all out myself, Mike, if I'm perfectly honest.
I don't have all the answers.
But I think there's just this move away from allopathic medicine and it's got serious limitations and it can really hurt people.
As we saw with COVID, ventilation, the antiviral treatments, this kind of thing, they're harmful.
And I try and look for natural solutions myself.
Well, you've hit upon something really key here.
And in the interest of time, this will be my last question, but you're a very humble person.
And that's greatly appreciated by our audience and myself as well.
And as you just said, you don't have all the answers.
You're still asking questions and trying to figure it out.
And I think that's the posture of a true doctor or true scientist.
What scares me are the people who say, we have the only answers, the only allowable answers.
If you disagree with us, you're an extremist.
You're going to lose your license.
You're a danger to society.
They think they've got it all figured out, and their arrogance is weaponized against the world.
And that's what freaked me out as an American, by the way, watching the leadership in New Zealand, you know, Jacinda there and watching Dan Andrews over in Australia and watching all the leaders there just order people to be locked down, be prisoners in your own home, Jacinda there and watching Dan Andrews over in Australia and watching all the leaders
It was absolutely shocking that the level of arrogance they thought justified these really outrageous actions that violate human rights.
Yeah, definitely.
New Zealand was a classic example.
I mean, so many.
Canada as well.
Yeah, I agree.
It was shocking.
And I'll just tell you a really quick story that just, this made me cry, if I'm honest, but when the first lockdown happened and I went to the supermarket, you know, it was like day two of the severe lockdown and everyone was spaced two metres apart.
You know, you could only go in one at a time into the supermarket and I saw people with gas masks, you know, it was, and I read, no, I seriously did, and I read the Gulag Archipelago, and as I was shopping and going around, I was thinking, oh my God, this is how this happens.
This is how, you know, these total, I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime, you know, in a country, in a supposedly free country like New Zealand.
But to see it happen overnight, that was what kind of terrified me.
And I went home and I cried.
I just thought, this has happened here.
And unfortunately, it's the people that let it happen.
I know we've got these tyrannical leaders that are insane.
I mean, I can't believe, you know, Jacinda Ardern said at one point that, you know, there are two rules for people.
You can have freedoms if you're vaccinated and you won't have the freedoms if you're not vaccinated.
It wasn't exactly that, but, you know, that was the meaning of what she said.
But it's also the people that let that happen and, you know, allow it.
And I thought the difference, say, between New Zealand and America is I love Americans because I think they've got this sense of freedom and liberty and they will stand up for their rights.
New Zealanders are a quieter, you know, we don't like to make a fuss.
It's very, you know, just get on with it sort of thing.
We don't have clashes with authority and maybe it's because we're a young country and we haven't seen what the Eastern Bloc has said.
With, you know, these terrible wars and things.
But it just, it did shock me that.
But then I realized the power that you can do, how you can take back your power is that you don't, as an individual, you don't go along with any of it.
And that's what myself and my family, we live by.
And having faith in God, I believe that spiritually that protects you as well.
Well, we in America, you know, we say if you haven't had problems with your government, just give it time.
You will.
Because, you know, our country was born out of conflict with the British Empire.
And I'm a Texan.
And Texans, you know, handled this very differently than, let's say, the California leadership.
So in America, we had 50 states, 50 different approaches.
To all of this, where in New Zealand, you had one order.
It was like, you must obey, and we're building quarantine camps if you don't.
And it's kind of like, wow, is there no other option here?
And there wasn't.
So that's pretty frightening.
I'm glad you made it through, though.
And I'm glad you've kept your wits about you here.
And I really appreciate you joining us this evening.
So thank you for your time.
Oh, thank you, Mike.
It's been a pleasure.
It's like catching up with a friend.
I have a feeling we could talk for hours about all these topics.
I think so, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But look, this has been fascinating.
We'll obviously invite you back, and let me just give out your book name again.
It's called Virus Mania, for those who want to check it out.
If you've had questions about everything, cervical cancer and polio, hepatitis, AIDS, Avian flu, measles, you know, and COVID. You've got to check out this book, get the information, make your own decision about how you think it all works.
And then Dr.
Bailey's website is drsambailey.com.
That's drsambailey.com.
Anything else you want to add, Sam?
No, it's just a pleasure.
Thank you so much for the work you're doing, Mike.
I'm a big fan and I think it's just important that we all work together and to help overcome this insane time.
I know it won't be forever.
Yeah, absolutely.
We're on the same track there.
And I'm really glad you mentioned that you don't have all the answers yet.
I don't either, folks.
I don't know how all this works.
But I know enough to know that those who claim to have absolute knowledge are full of bunk.
That's...
I can say that because there are more mysteries yet to be discovered about our universe and mind-body interactions and the way human beings function.
A lot more mysteries yet to be uncovered.
So thank you, Dr.
Sam Bailey.
It's been a pleasure, and I wish you a wonderful day there in New Zealand, and we'll get together again.
Thanks, Mike.
All right, take care.
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