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May 8, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Pastor Leon Benjamin interviewed by Mike Adams on faith, life and the future of humanity
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Welcome everyone to a Bright Town Conversations interview.
Today, we've got a very special guest, a new guest for you, someone I met at the Tulsa Health and Freedom event, and he and I got to have some private conversations that were really enlightening, but we wanted to continue that publicly.
His name is Pastor Leon Benjamin, and he's with the New Life Harvest Church.
That's newlifeharvestchurch.org.
He's got a video channel on YouTube.
I know he's coming to Brighton.
He's got videos out there on Facebook, but censorship concerns out there, especially for people of faith.
He's moving to independent media to get the word out.
Pastor Benjamin, it's an honor to have you on.
It was an honor to meet you.
We connected a little bit there, but we have so much more to talk about, so welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Mike.
It's such an honor and a blessing, man.
I had a good time out there in Tulsa and meeting you and chatting with you.
You are a rock star, man.
I'm telling you, it's just amazing how the Lord has used you to draw, I think, America back into focus.
And that's what we need right now more than ever before.
Well, isn't that true?
The Lord is using each one of us in some important way.
And I don't feel like a rock star.
I don't feel like I deserve credit, actually, for any of this.
All I feel like is I've just been, you know, saying what needs to be said.
I've been learning more about Scripture over the last couple of years.
People have sent me dozens of Bibles, so I have all kinds of different versions of Bibles.
I've been reading certain selected chapters so far, some Old Testament, some New Testament.
But you are a man of the Word.
What do people need to know right now as they are navigating all of the trials and tribulations that life has brought all of us on this planet for the last year and a half?
What do people need to know about faith in God in the context of all those struggles?
Well, I mean, the Bible clearly lets us know that we're living in a very unprecedented time.
It's called the last days.
It is written throughout the New Testament, but it is also kind of put in typology in the Old Testament that all things are going to come back to God.
The book of Daniel talks about the resurrection of the dead and how all things are going to be judged.
In the book of Ecclesiastes, it's appointed unto man once to die, but after that, the judgment.
And what people need to be aware of the fact is that God is going to have the final say-so.
And specifically through Jesus Christ, his son.
And so what does that look like right now?
Now, what does that look like on planet Earth is that there's a group of people who are going opposite of God, and that there's a group of people who are being either going to God or being drawn to turn to God.
So that's kind of crazy, because I know back in 1990, I was turning, God was getting my attention because I was going the opposite way.
And when he did, I started to recognize, wow, I've been wasting my time going the wrong way.
And so what has to happen right now is that what you're doing, sounding, I call it the clarion call, sounding the alarm, so to speak, what happened in Tulsa.
We were blowing the shofars.
We were sounding.
Brighteon is sounding the alarm.
That's what's going on right now.
Everybody's doing their part to either keep going towards God or turning to God.
Or, I hate to say it, going the opposite way, away from God.
It's not really a sad story.
It's really a story of conquest, a story of victory, a story of triumph, because Satan was gambling that nobody on the planet would love God because he is the prince of the power of the air.
So he's thinking that his messaging, his narrative, all the stuff that he likes to do, murder, steal, kill, and destroy, you know, plagues, diseases, famine, you know, that the people would say, If this is God, we don't want God, but he is so wrong.
I'm so thankful for the gospel of Jesus Christ that, just like me, God got my attention in spite of Satan's plans.
So I'm excited and I'm thankful.
God is working through you in such a powerful way, and I have to say, every time that I saw you speak live, you spoke at that VIP dinner the night before the event, and I tell you, I got chills.
I could feel the energy of God moving through all of us as you were speaking.
You have a way of amplifying all All of the connection of the people who are there in the room.
And when you spoke then in front of the nearly 5,000 people at the Tulsa event, I mean, the place lit up.
It was alive.
It was like a revival kind of church moment happening right there spontaneously.
In fact, I'm going to ask my producer here to put in a minute clip of you speaking at that event so people can get a sense of what that is.
But tell me...
In the name of Jesus and Satan, you are a liar.
And we decree and declare that Jesus already defeated you on the cross 2,000 years ago.
And all of your imps, you better get ready.
Because America is coming back with a revival, with a fire, and with the Holy Ghost power.
And we shall not be resisted.
We will take our schools back.
We will take our counties back.
We will take our health back.
We will take our freedom back.
We will take our America back.
What is that?
What is what is happening?
What are you experiencing?
Because I know it's not just coming from your intellect.
There's something more happening.
When you're speaking to the crowd and the words are moving through you, what are you experiencing?
What's that like?
I just really, to be honest with you, I just want to be used by God.
I just want to be used by the Lord Jesus as a mouthpiece.
That's it.
He does the work.
We're just the channel, so to speak.
But He does the work inside of us.
So at that moment, or any moment, even right now, I just want to be an open channel for the Word of God, for the Lord Jesus Christ, and for His Holy Spirit.
And so sometimes it happens so quick that I... It's like he turned into somebody else, to be honest with you.
Sort of like in the book of Samuel, when Saul began to prophesy, he says he turned into another man.
Okay.
And then they start to ask the question, is Saul amongst the prophets?
Because he's being used by God.
And so I think everyone should want that, just to keep yourself as an open channel, as an open vessel, and so that God can have his way.
You're exactly right.
But to do that, we have to go down the path of humility.
And yet in society today, especially among the youth and among our media-centric system of selfies and Instagram and everything...
It has become such a me, me, me kind of focus of life and popularity, and you're nobody unless you have a million followers on Facebook.
But I think you and I would agree that in the currency of the spirit world, those things have no value.
They matter nothing, right?
Absolutely.
I mean, Jesus said it best.
If you want to save your life, you have to lose your life.
And they that try to save their own self end up losing their life.
And so it's totally opposite of being a follower of Christ.
And it's something where we're all, as Apostle Paul says, we die daily.
Okay?
So there's always something that the Lord is saying, oh, you got to give that up, or you got to tighten that up, or come closer to me, draw closer.
And it's one of those things where we get, I don't want to say get used to the voice of God.
But we start to understand that it's more to Him than what we would ever get to know and understand.
And day by day, I call it a daily walk, a daily walk, you just start to learn.
Like the Bible talks about Enoch walked with God, right?
He walked with God and was not because God took him.
I mean, that was the first person to get translated while he was living into what we call the buried heaven.
And the Bible says that the reason why God took him is because he pleased God.
Hey!
God just liked what he was doing!
And God says, I'm just gonna take you, I'm gonna translate you into the third heaven, and we'll find out what else we're gonna do after that.
But he had a testimony that he pleased God, you know?
And that's a wonderful place to be where you're saying, am I doing this right, Lord?
Am I okay with this?
And you really got to humble yourself to do that because, man, you know how we are.
You know how we get.
I know what I'm talking about.
You know, can't nobody tell me what to do.
You know, and so it's really a humbling place, but it's a good, safe place to be.
And I call it the will of God, the perfect will of God, the safest place in the whole wide world is in the will of God, and that's a good place to be.
Amen to that.
There's an interesting dynamic that you just reminded me of.
In our world today, if you're a person who is anti-God, and you are anti-life, and you are pushing a demonic agenda, that person will be celebrated, right?
That person won't be censored.
They'll probably be given a starring role in a TV show, whatever.
That person is held up, and they begin to believe that it's all about them.
Whereas the person who is sharing the Word of God, or even just teaching basic principles like the Founding Fathers of America, right?
Or any of these basic principles.
You know, I've been spending 20 years talking about nutrition and disease prevention and anti-cancer foods.
Not allowed anymore.
So we get hammered.
We get slandered.
We get banned.
We get censored.
But you know what?
From that place, it sure is easy to become humble, isn't it?
Because you're under no illusion at that point.
It's not all about you.
It's almost like all the critics out there have given us a gift to bring us closer to God so that our message resonates with what God wants us to say rather than what we think our own minds have come up with.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I just love when you send me some of your articles on health, and I'm thinking about making my house into a green room so I can start growing some plants, you know, and some of the technology, talking about the hydro technology and how things can be done.
You know, the enemy doesn't want us to know stuff like that.
He wants us to keep thinking there's not enough, That there's only despair, there's only poverty, there's only lack, and really God wants to try to get a message out to the world that I love you, and why would I, as Jesus said in the Gospels, if a child asks for a fish, Are you going to, you know, give them a stone?
You know, are you going to give them a serpent if they ask for bread?
Are you going to give them totally something that's going to kill them or hurt them?
And how much more shall our Father give us the Holy Spirit to them to ask?
So if your father's being evil, know how to give good gifts.
How much more shall our Heavenly Father give us the Holy Spirit?
And that's not religion.
That's talking about a day-to-day walk, just like Enoch, just like Noah, just like Gideon, just like David, all the characters of the Bible, coming back to, what, myself and to you, Mike.
You are just walking every day with God.
And you're saying, I believe this is what God wants me to do.
And some people call it a calling.
You know, when I got called into ministry, I thought it was only to preach.
Ended up running for Congress.
Okay, so it's a calling.
And it's just an everyday saying, this is what I believe I am supposed to be doing right now.
And to be a blessing to some people, you got to know how blessed you are.
You know?
And that can be a scary place for some people because some people think, I'm not good enough.
You know?
I don't measure up.
And who wants to hear from me?
And what am I, you know?
And so Satan plays that commercial in a lot of our minds, saying that we'll never be good enough.
We'll never make the mark.
We'll never be unique and fearlessly and wonderfully made, like the scripture says.
And we'll always be under somebody's foot.
And this spirit that's working right now in the world, and specifically in America, It is very alarming right now, so I'm glad I'm on the show today, because it's trying to put people under a type of slavery and a type of bondage that is totally unnecessary, and it's not of God.
It's not of God.
That is so true.
And I want to ask you about the COVID restrictions and what's going on there.
But what you just said is so powerful that when we recognize that we are created in the image of God and that we have consciousness, which means we have free will because God granted that to us.
Because God doesn't want a universe of robots to follow His command.
That would be pointless.
God is curious.
What are we going to do with this gift?
God is curious, right?
And so we must decide what to do with that gift, and then we are going to get judged.
And you're exactly right that they want us to believe that we're nothing.
You know, the politicians want us to believe we're nothing without them.
But in truth, we are nothing without God.
Look, literally, we would not be here without God.
And even the physicists, and I want to ask you two questions about the cosmos and so on, but even the physicists say, you know, they talk about the Big Bang, and you ask them, well, where did the Big Bang come from?
And they say, well, give me one free miracle, and then the rest of the universe is like clockwork.
Well, where did the one free miracle come from?
Guess what?
A creator!
That's right.
The whole denial of the book of Genesis is why some scientists are in what we call a labyrinth with no escape.
Some scientists have chosen to reject God.
The word science comes from the word omniscience, which God is.
He's omniscient.
That means all-knowing.
Some of our scientists have tried to fulfill that role of being God instead of submitting themselves with the gift that God has given them to bring about cures or to bring about a way of explaining how things have come into existence.
I mean, if you look at man, there is no way that we came from an amoeba or from a monkey.
There's no way.
There's no possible way if you really want to do the science.
And we have to understand that people are really looking for information now.
They are hungry.
They are eager.
At the same time, because of the climate we're in, they are afraid and they don't know who to trust.
And there are some people out there that will take advantage of people who are fearful.
And so, you know, Brideon, when I think of Brideon, I think of the fearless, okay?
Those, like Star Trek, boldly go when no man has gone before because we have to make sure we're exploring every avenue, exploring everything.
We just can't, you know, there was a group of people in the Bible called the Bereans.
And when Apostle Paul went to go teach them, They went and checked his fact-checked them, so to speak.
They went to go see if those things were true.
And he says they were more nobler than the Thessalonians.
So there's the Church of Thessalonica, and there's a group of people called the Berean Church.
And they said, Paul, thank you for sharing the information, but we'll get back to you.
We will go check it out and see if it's true.
What they want in America right now is to take everything face value and don't want us to go fact check, check the science.
They're so busy fact checking us, but it's time for us to start fact checking them.
And that's what's been going on.
People are merging on the scene, like yourself, and doctors, like the frontline doctors, the frontline American doctors, you know, and many others are coming out of the woodwork Lawyers and everybody else saying something is not right.
Our Constitution says this, but you're doing this.
Science says this, but you're telling us this.
Somebody is wrong, okay?
We both can't be right, all right?
And so the challenge is, the challenge is, are we bold enough, are we courageous enough to stand on the T-R-U-T-H, the truth?
And so I think there's a...
There's a clash going on right now in our culture.
And those who are truth seekers and those who just want to settle for just anything, anything that comes off the cuff of their minds.
And the Bible tells us we can't have a mind like that.
We got to pull every vain imagination, every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God and bring into captivity, hallelujah, every thought unto the obedience of Christ.
Because there's some rebellious people down here, Mike.
And so God has to deal with them eventually, okay?
And this rebellion is why I think we are rising to the occasion right now to say, no, we are not going to be counted amongst the children of disobedience or the rebellious ones.
We are going to walk by faith, we're going to choose Jesus Christ, and we're going to live a life humbly before God.
And so that takes some courage, you know, instead of being counted along with everybody else and being a part of the status quo.
I really like the comparisons that you have there.
It brings up so many questions.
We're never going to have enough time for this conversation, I can already tell.
It's going to go into so many interesting areas, but you know how scientism has now become a religion for many people today, and it has become, for some, a replacement for God in their life, or faith in their life.
And you know how, you ever met people who say, yeah, I'm a Christian, and you ask them, well, when was the last time You talked with God.
Because it should have been maybe that morning, but they would say, oh, maybe two Christmases ago or something.
That was the last time.
And then these people that are into scientism, I've had people say to me, oh, I took the vaccine because I believe in science.
And I say, that's great.
How many of those vaccine studies have you read?
Which ones really stood out as amazing to you?
They say, oh, I haven't read any studies.
It's like they have this false faith in scientism, but But they haven't done any fact-checking like you said.
They haven't done any fact-checking on the scientism religion.
They have just taken it in as a false faith.
And that is to be misled.
You run around saying, I believe in the science, but you don't know what any of it means.
You haven't looked behind the label of science.
Then you don't believe in anything, really.
You just believe in a myth.
I mean, that's what they're following.
What do you think about that?
Well, absolutely.
Again, it's the knowledge of God that brings things into focus, the knowledge of our Creator.
So the Bible is kind of like a handbook if we want to know if anything's true, if it's false, if it's good, evil, you know, if it's right or wrong, and that's what the Scriptures are for.
But when we get down to forming a religion, and I'll go even further, science has now tried to become a government.
In other words, it wants to be a regulator, a protector, and a nurturer.
But you're not nurturing me if you're pumping me with poison.
You're not protecting me if you're sending chips and all kinds of elements that actually take away my immune system and get me to become sick.
When really, I should be able to be well.
And if we're following science like that, it's become not just a religion, but a government.
And that's why when you talk about Dr.
Fauci, we hear people talking like that, just thinking, did we vote for him?
I don't see anywhere where we voted for him, for him to represent us, to tell us, amen, those things that we as the governed give consent to.
So if I'm giving consent to you to govern me, I can also pull back my consent.
But the way these guys are talking now, they're saying you have to take the vaccine, which I'm not, okay?
You have to wear a mask, which I hate.
Every chance I get, I know some places, you know, like when you go fly, you know what it is, Mike.
You go fly, if you don't wear the mask, you can't be on the airplane.
Well, we are getting real close, Mike, to forming our own airlines if they keep pushing us, okay?
And so they can have all the airplanes they want with empty seats, okay?
Because the science does not really, truly, does not really govern our lives.
It really complements our life.
Jesus said, I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly.
So anything that does not complement your life, in other words, add to, enhance, make you shine, is not supposed to be a part of your life.
And what this vaccine has done, it has clearly shown us, if we don't really stand up for who we are as Christians and believers and as constitutionalists who know that rights come from God and not from government, We are going to be hoodwinked, bamboozled, and run amok.
If we don't stop this right now, we're going to go down in history as a nation that believes the biggest lie ever told to us Since probably the onset of us, when we first started saying that all men are created equal, and some people tried to say, no, they're not.
So we had to fight them and tell them, no, yes, all men are.
Get rid of slavery.
Come on.
And let everyone know, yes, we are created equal.
And if we don't stop this right now, boy, somebody's going to go back and read the history and go, what in the world were they thinking about?
Why do they believe those doctors?
Yeah, you've nailed it again.
I'm really glad you made that comparison because we are under a kind of a medical slavery system when the medical system claims to own our bodies, right?
And so that was a claim throughout the history of enslavement of human beings was that someone could come along and claim to own your body and to own the product of your labor, right?
Which means to own your intention and your desires and what you want to do.
And the world has rejected that.
You know, thank God.
And America was among the first to reject that.
And yet then now with Fauci comes along a new system to say, we own your body.
Well, guess what?
We're going to get an opportunity to reject that again.
And this time, you know, it's not by color or race or where people came from.
It's an attack on humanity.
It's an attack on all human beings, right?
And when you refuse to go along with that, then, you know, then they start cracking down on you.
They don't want too many people to get free.
Just like, you know, in the old plantation days, they didn't want the slaves to be able to read.
Guess what?
today it's censorship of facts about health and about prevention and vitamin D.
It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
We already rejected this once.
Time to do it again.
That's And it's because...
There is on the horizon, there's a blessing that's trying to get to us.
Something God wants to give to us.
So the devil's attempt right now to shut us down, to mask us up, to have us all on these drugs.
You know, I call them drugs because that's what these vaccines are.
They're just experimental drugs.
It might as well be opioids.
It might as well be A crack, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm sorry, I'm getting real hooked now.
Hunter Biden is going to tune in now.
He wants some, so be careful what you call out.
They're experimenting on us.
And guys like Fauci and Bill Gates and all these people who think because of their elitist attitude and because of their material gain, they think that they can buy us.
But I got news for them.
We've been already bought by the blood of Jesus.
We've been bought with a price through the shed blood of Christ.
And Christ says, glory be to God, we're not servants.
We are sons of God.
A big difference between being a slave and being a son of God.
And so there's a war going on in the heavenlies, in the spirit realm, to say, let's see if we can, in history, make them slaves again.
Not just black people.
White, red, brown, yellow...
Anybody who wants to believe this message of Marxism and communism and socialism, let's see if we can get them to bite the apple like in the garden.
Let's see if we can convince them that this is good for you, right?
That this is good for you and you need this more than the air you breathe.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
I'm so glad that there is not just a revival going on, but an act of civil disobedience.
That is happening all across the nation, saying that we put you in government, but we can also take you out.
It's in our Constitution to redress the government.
We are the ones who give the consent to be governed.
We are not the ones that you can put chains around us, around our necks, and just tell us what you think we ought to do.
No, wrong people, wrong history, wrong century.
No, we are the home of the free.
We are the home of the brave.
And we are the land of the free.
And we just have to take this stand.
And I think that's what we're doing right now, Mike.
And all of the Brighton family, I'm telling you, you are special.
If you're standing with Mike right now, you are special because there's a group of people that I think that's on the planet right now, especially in America and abroad, that will not give in to this nonsense of saying, take the vaccine, wear the mask.
Stay at home.
Don't go to church.
Shut your business down.
It is ludicrous.
That is not freedom.
Yeah, that's right.
And isn't it interesting that they really targeted the churches primarily in the lockdown efforts.
And there were some states where I think they had to open the pole dancing bars or whatever, you know, the porn shops, you know, the prostitution houses, whatever.
But you couldn't go to church because that would be dangerous.
That is ridiculous.
Right.
That is ridiculous.
All right.
Are you ready to take this conversation cosmic now?
Let's go.
Let's go.
I'm ready.
All right.
Let's go big picture.
I have a cosmic question for you.
And I know I can have this conversation with you.
This is going to be loads of fun.
What do you think...
Is that this life really is, given that we know that this is limited, we know that we are being judged, it's almost like a tryout period for God to say, are you going to be with me or not?
How do you think all of this really works?
How would you describe the purpose of this limited life that we have?
And how do we, if there is a purpose, how do we achieve that purpose in the eyes of God?
Well, you've got to understand, the Bible talks about there's a point unto man once to die, one time.
But after that, the judgment.
So there is a sense of understanding that something got judged.
Something, someone got judged by God.
And God is now seeing how many are going to come to a revelation of God.
Who they are in Him.
And so, some have, what, 80 years, right?
Three score and ten, or, you know, 70 years.
That's what it says.
And some have 120 years.
Some have, doing the bubonic plague, the black plague, they were dying at 25.
Okay, their lifespan was gone.
But all of it leads to a conclusion that That the time I have, I only have a limited time to find out who I am in God.
And what I do with that time, you know, is very important.
And so the Bible says, in all that getting, get what?
Get wisdom.
Wisdom is the principal thing.
And in all that getting, get understanding.
So the enemy's job, because there's a judgment, See, because there's a judgment, the Bible says that the Holy Spirit is on the planet, and the Holy Spirit came from another cosmos, by the way.
The Holy Spirit came from a third realm.
We call it the third heaven.
That's a whole different cosmos that is just as real as where we are, which we call it the first heaven or the first cosmos.
There's a second heaven.
That's where Satan is, okay, and all of the illegals, the illegal angels that fell with him.
And all of those demon spirits.
And that can get really deep.
But how do we bridge the gap without being interfered by Satan in the second cosmos, in the second heavens?
How do we get to God if we got this booger trying to run interference and trying to give us all these wrong messages, wrong narratives, wrong conclusions, God says, the way I'm going to do it, I'm going to come down myself because without me, you won't make it.
So he came in the person of a man through Jesus.
Now, without Jesus, you can't see God.
Because Jesus said, if you've seen the Father, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father.
So cosmic, we're talking about the cosmic Christ here.
I call it the cosmic Christ.
That means if I'm in China, I see Christ as I am.
If I'm in Russia, if I'm in Australia, if I'm in Africa.
So it doesn't matter what color you are, okay?
Because once you go cosmic, color no longer identifies you.
You are identified by your belief.
This scares a lot of people because what if I believe I came from a frog?
Well, God says the cosmos through the gospel will pull you out of that belief because that is a message from the second heavens or Satan, his cosmos.
So here are these messages coming, right?
And God knows.
From the second heaven, Satan is sending all these messages.
He has his own satellite system, by the way.
Okay?
You see, that's in Google tech, right?
Through YouTube and all these other places, Facebook, who are censoring right information.
He knows he has to come through that cosmos to the planet, die for our sins.
And the word sin does not mean just fornication and adultery.
It means sin.
Not obeying the laws of the third cosmos or the third heaven.
So Satan knew if I can get one person to disobey that, which was the first man, Adam.
No pun intended, Mike.
He got the first man, Adam, to disobey the third cosmos or the third heaven's laws.
Well, God had no choice but to judge him and to kill him.
And Satan is hoping that God will just kill everybody.
So that's why he said Jesus.
He's hoping that we'll miss the message.
And God will have no choice.
But we know that man does not actually die in a cosmic environment.
He just goes to another place.
See?
Right.
So you don't die in a cosmic environment.
You just go to another place.
And Satan knows everyone who doesn't believe in God's message through his son who came on the planet, who went back to the third heaven, is going to go to another place, and I hate to say it, you're going to be with Satan.
You're going to be with Satan in another cosmos that is locked up, that is made specifically just for him, but because you won't believe in the message from the third heaven that came down to this planet from a man named Jesus, You're going to spend the rest of your life in that cosmos.
And imagine how surprised some of these atheists are going to be when that comes.
That's going to be a big shock.
What?
I should have paid attention?
So...
So many questions from this.
So I'm thinking, you know, the Word became the flesh, right?
So God projected Himself into the body of Jesus to appear.
And He also gave us not just that evidence, that proof, Which was probably a very simple thing for God to do.
That's not difficult for the God to appear before us.
He just chose to do it, and here it is.
We call it a miracle, but to him it was just, well, I can do this anytime I want, right?
Which is why he's going to do it again, right?
But the other thing is, think about all the proof that's in the Bible.
All the evidence, including the evidence of prophecies at the time they were written that then later came true, how could any human being alive today deny the existence of God?
It could only be through ignorance, you know?
It's again, it's again, it's the interference of Satan In that second heaven, in that cosmos, I asked God the other day, I asked Jesus, why don't you just get rid of them?
And God says, well, I can't just get rid of them because I have laws.
God has laws that he's bound to.
The Bible says that he puts his word above his name.
Okay?
So God has laws, and Satan knows that.
And so he cannot just get rid of them.
He has to get someone on the planet to obey Him.
Right.
and we do this through christ obeys god we then have authority over that second cosmos which means we now are above him and anything that is under our feet we don't have to listen to i just love it i love it so he so he descend in other words he comes down right And then he ascends.
But the good thing about ascending is that when we believe that he came, we go up with him.
And we ascend past the second cosmos, past that second heavens.
So could you imagine Satan ranting and raving, saying, believe in the mask!
Believe in the mask!
And we're going, no!
We don't believe in the mask!
Right, right!
Because he doesn't have authority over us to believe in something that is not from the law of God from the third heaven where we live in the first heaven.
We don't have to follow, in other words, we don't have to follow a law that did not originate from God.
Amen.
Exactly.
And what has really struck me about all of this, in thinking about this, is that That Satan cannot force you into his realm.
That a person has to consent to it.
And yet people are giving their consent all the time when they are disparaging God or when they are living extreme sin or whatever they're doing, living a dishonest life, abandoning morality, all these things.
But there are people out there who agree that They agree to give their soul over to Satan because they feel that they're getting power.
And in fact, I saw that some of the satanic groups in California were advertising their, I don't know what they call it, their Satan temples or whatever.
They were saying, experience new freedom.
And they said, freedom from God.
Freedom from the boundaries of religion.
This is how they're marketing it, and some people are falling for that.
It's unreal, but it's happening.
It's the same deception that happened in the Garden of Eden in Genesis, Genesis chapter 3, where he says,"'Hath God said that ye should not surely die?' He questions the law of God.
And so he gets us, because we are free moral agents, we have a will, and God cannot make us do anything.
We have to choose to do it because we're made in his image.
In other words, we're made in the image of God and in the likeness of God.
So we have what is called Elohim ability.
The word Elohim is the first word We see in God in plurality in the book of Genesis, in the beginning, God.
That word is in the beginning, Elohim, which means in the beginning, God.
But we know that that's the Trinity, Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
Father in creation, Son in redemption, Holy Spirit in operation.
So in the beginning, God said, let us make man in our image.
So we are also a tripod being.
We are also tripod, like the Godhead, Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
We are spirit, soul, and body.
You see?
And Satan knows that.
So in order for us to give ourselves over to him...
We have to will it.
We have to actually give our will over it.
So sometimes he uses deceit or deception like he did with Eve.
Right.
He deceived her.
In other words, he was very cunning.
He was like, you know what?
He got to think that God was hiding something from her.
You know, God don't want you to know about that tree.
You know, if you eat that tree, you know, if you find out God is hiding something, God won't hide nothing from her.
God was not hiding anything from her.
But he made it seem like God was hiding something from her.
He also uses a big, flat-out lie sometimes.
And the other thing he's using now today is, we get the word pharmaceutical, pharmacology, is drugs.
He's using drugs to alter the will of man.
So we call it sometimes if you do drugs, you get high drugs.
Or it alters your state so that you're no longer thinking on the energy or the level that you should normally think as a human who corresponds with God.
So he alters your mind.
So that's why a lot of things are going on like cloning now.
There are people experimenting on people in all types of ways.
They're trying to clone man, but they don't want the part that man says, I love God.
They just want to clone man, but only respond like a robot to whoever cloned him.
That's right.
Just the biology, not the soul.
It's just without the soul.
They want to create man without a mind.
Isn't that amazing?
Yep, yep.
So we can't think for ourselves.
You've hit upon so many important areas, and this is something we have in common.
You talked about where it's important to maintain your mind so that you can communicate with God, so you can talk and you can receive.
You can't do that unless your mind is functioning.
I've come from the world of nutrition, and I've often told the same thing, that you have a physical brain This is like a body, mind, and spirit too, right?
So you have a physical brain, but you have a non-physical spirit and mind that interfaces with the physical brain.
And guess what?
If your food is dirty and filthy, then your blood is dirty and filthy, and that's what's circulating in your brain.
So even if you want to have a spiritual connection, you've got to clean up.
Your body.
First.
Right?
Because that's the interface that we are working through.
Now, I would say a small-minded person would look at us as only our bodies.
And I think that's how people can judge someone based on their race or their skin color or how tall or short they are.
Physical characteristics.
That's the smallest part of what you are.
The biggest part is It is your non-physical part.
That's the most important part.
That's the immortal part, is it not?
Isn't that the part that joins God?
Absolutely.
You said it.
I couldn't have said it any better.
If we're made in the likeness and image of God, how big is God?
I mean, I don't want to make Him no smaller than what He is.
God...
And Satan, because we can't see him in this cosmos, right?
He's in another cosmos.
He's in another realm.
So he's hidden from our natural eyes.
Get this.
Because of the lack of brain activity, one day we'll be able to see him.
God will induce our brain activity because he will totally, what is called, redeem our bodies from sin.
And we'll totally be able to have that connectivity where we couldn't have it now.
We'll be able to see angels.
We'll be able to see Satan, of course, demons.
It'll just be open to us.
But because of sin and the current body we're in right now, which is not fully redeemed.
In other words, my bishop taught it like this.
My spirit is saved, right?
My mind is being saved.
And my body will be saved.
Okay?
And that comes at the day of redemption.
On the day of redemption, that means when Jesus Christ returns, it says, and the dead in Christ shall arise first.
Right?
And they that are alive and remain shall be caught up to meet him in the clouds.
Now, notice you hear stuff a lot about cloud now today, right?
Put your information in the cloud, in this sort of subvenimal space, right, where information is located.
Well, really, our bodies are meant to go through walls, okay, into a cloud, into another space.
Our bodies, when Jesus came back from the resurrection of the dead, he did not go through the door.
Okay.
He didn't open the door up.
Because he had his full activity of his mind, he actually walked through the wall.
Yeah.
I'm not trying to scare anybody, but that's going to be awesome one day when we get the full range of our brains to do this.
It's about, I think, realizing, too, that all the existence of physical matter is nothing but an expression of the mind of God.
I always find it so funny, because I come from the world of science, but as scientists...
They appear closer and closer into the atomic nucleus and into the subatomic particles and into those components.
All they find is empty space, you know?
It's like, we thought that was a solid, now it's empty, and now we're trying to find out what's inside that.
They zoom in more, it's more empty because it's not stuff.
It's the mind of God that is being projected into this...
I don't know if I should call it a simulation or a try-out thing.
This is not the real realm.
This is not God's real realm.
Like you say, the third heaven.
We're not there yet.
He made...
It says, in the beginning, God created the heavens...
Alright?
So that's plural.
So that's more than one heaven.
The heavens and the earth.
So we live in the first heaven.
God lives in the third heaven.
Satan lives and his demons and coals live in the second heaven.
So Jesus showed them in the Gospel of John that I'm now fully connected to the third heaven.
So that's why he didn't go through the door.
He just went through the wall.
Because in the third heaven, the laws of God establish everything down here.
Yes, yes.
The unseen realm actually controls everything that is seen.
The unseen controls everything.
But what we got Dr.
Fauci and them doing is trying to control the unseen by the seen.
So that's why you see the mask.
So they're trying to use the seen realm to To control the unseen realm.
That's right.
That's right.
Well said.
That's why you and a few others are going, uh-uh, we ain't buying it.
That's right.
You can't control us.
You can't control us.
No.
That's right.
You can make a choice.
All of you watching, you can make a choice.
You can choose God.
And you need to choose God every day.
And you can refuse...
You have satanic influences because Satan can't force you.
You have to surrender on purpose if that's what you choose, if you want to live in hell forever.
Now, I just want to be mindful of your time.
We're just about to wrap this up.
I want to ask you for your final thoughts, but before that to say...
I'm really honored to meet you here because, number one, it's great that we finally met because we're going to spend a lot of time together even after this life, too.
So it's good that we finally ran into each other.
We've got a lot to talk about, but how would you wrap up this conversation?
We're just touching the surface, but what would you like to leave people with today?
I would just like to encourage those listeners and the Brideon family And those who may be listening for the first time, is that we are really together more than what we understand.
We are really, the whole term United States of America did not come by accident.
It was actually in another world, a law that was working, operating, and the men of that day, we call our founding fathers, says we need to be united.
And there's an enemy out here right now.
We call it communism, socialism, Marxism, but it's coming from not the law of God.
It's coming from the second realm, the second heaven, the second cosmos, to control and to manipulate us into something that we were never designed to be.
And I want to encourage you.
See God.
Be strong.
Believe.
Take courage that you have a destiny, according to Jeremiah 29 and 11.
He says, God says, I know my thoughts.
Thoughts of peace and not of evil that you might have an expected end.
A good outcome, a hope, and a future.
So let those who understand good news be the proponents of good news.
We have to stick with sites and places like Brighteon This is amazing what Mike is doing right here.
He is a propeller of good news.
And we have to understand, the enemy is hating anyone right now on the planet that wants to be a carrier, amen, of good news.
So that's what I want to leave with everybody.
Don't be a carrier of bad news.
Don't be a carrier of bad news.
You know why we named it Brighteon?
Because it is bright eon.
It's an eon of brightness, which means knowledge, right?
And that's really where the name came from, because we knew it wasn't going to be a platform just for people having political rants or whatever, that this was going to play a role in knowledge and awareness, awakening.
Transcendence, you know, to connect people to the divine.
That's really what it's all about.
So I'm just honored to have you on.
We have so much more to talk about later when we get together again.
I just want to thank you for joining me.
It's just been so much fun.
And to our viewers, to check out the New Life Harvest Church, and that's newlifeharvestchurch.org, correct?
Did I get that right?
Yes.
Okay, fantastic.
And we'll have some other links connected because, you know, I'm running for Congress.
And I'm also working with some great group of people.
Clay is doing a great thing, touring all around the nation with Health and Freedom Conference.
And Virginians for America First, we are going after the House of Delegates.
We got to stop the steal.
We got to let people know that whatever happened on November 3rd, 2020, we can never let it happen again.
So Virginians for America First, Benjamin4Congress.com is our site if you want to find out how we're going to save the republic.
We're going to save Virginia first, and then we're going to save America, because we have to do it.
Give us, what's your congressional campaign website?
It's Benjamin4Congress.com.
Benjamin4Congress.com.
Okay, and which district do you...
I'm running in Virginia's 4th Congressional District, so I'll be running in 2022 in Virginia's 4th Congressional District.
Wow.
Wow.
Okay.
We're going to have to get together on that a lot more than just for that conversation because we need men like you to help clean out the house, frankly.
That's what's going on.
We need some good people in there to kind of tip the scales back in our favor.
Amen.
When you said the second heaven is ruled by Satan, I thought maybe you meant the Senate.
I was like, okay, I get it.
We could use some good people there.
Thank you so much, Pastor Benjamin.
It's great to speak with you.
Thank you so much, Mike.
Thanks for having me.
Okay.
You too.
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