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April 28, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Del Bigtree interviewed by the Health Ranger: Covid-19, vaccine mandates and Big Pharma FRAUD

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	Welcome everybody to another very important episode of Brighteon Conversations.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com, the YouTube alternative for free speech.
	And today we're joined by Del Bigtree of The High Wire.
	He's one of the most important and most censored voices out there talking about vaccines, coronavirus, face mask mandates, health freedom, and so much more.
	He's got his own very popular show where he interviews many guests from all across the country, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	of Children's Health Defense, who is also...
	He's one of my heroes, frankly.
	But I'm very happy to be joined today by Del Bigtree.
	Del, welcome to the show.
	It's great to have you on.
	Mike, it's an honor to be on your show, man.
	You were at this, you know, I always like to say that when I was a producer on the CBS talk show, The Doctors, Health Ranger and your work at Natural News was my secret weapon.
	You have to imagine in TV, there's six other producers on your show.
	Everyone's trying to get the news story.
	So if it's breaking on New York Times or something, you're usually in a line.
	But I had this secret weapon in Natural News and I was bringing shows to the mainstream that you were breaking first and so it's an honor to be here now and find ourselves in more of a similar position but you've been at this a long time man and I'm a serious fan.
	Well, thank you, Del.
	Look, I'm a fan of yours, of course, and you've moved to Texas in the last, I don't know, six months or so.
	Your show is rocking.
	You've got, you know, huge viewership, a lot of supporters.
	But it is interesting that where, you know, natural news used to be The one voice that you dare not mention was a source.
	Now, that censorship and blacklisting is being targeted at you and many other voices as well.
	Can you talk about just the censorship angle now and how vicious it has become against those of us who tell the truth about vaccines and face masks and so on?
	Yeah, you know, it's something that's really hard to wrap your head around because, you know, I'm doing exactly what I did when I worked for CBS at Paramount Studios on the Doctor's television show.
	All we're doing is finding experts in their field around the world and letting them express their perspective.
	That's what thehighwire.com does.
	Of course, Facebook and YouTube, the High Wire with Dell Bigtree is what you have to type in.
	But we've been using those platforms, and we have videos being, almost every week now, one part of our show, because we'll section it out into each piece if someone wants to share it.
	Almost every week, one of the videos is being censored or locked down by YouTube or Facebook or sometimes both.
	For instance, we interviewed Vladimir Zelenko, who is the doctor in New York who's been using hydroxychloroquine in a major, in a very successful way.
	He's had his own trial going on, a thousand patients.
	So we interviewed him to discuss how he was using hydroxychloroquine, the success he was having.
	He's the one that sent a letter to Donald Trump when Donald Trump then said, I'm going to use this prophylactically.
	So this is a top doctor in America that is simply describing a study he's just published, and they took that video down.
	I mean, I don't understand what it is that he said he's giving firsthand reporting of what his experience has been on a treatment on a disease we're being told is deadly that we want treatments for.
	Yet his treatment is unacceptable by by social media.
	And so that's really, really scary.
	And, you know, and this week I've been under, you know, really more scrutiny than ever.
	Not only we've seen videos disappear, Media Matters just wrote an entire article about me.
	You know, Del Batry is spreading misinformation and fear and panic.
	They lay out the videos.
	CNN is now doing a story because Judy Mikevitz was about to be on Sinclair Broadcasting Networks.
	And in that story, you'll see a blurred image of me in a video they've made saying this guy is dangerous.
	So, what we're seeing is real pressure from mainstream media outlets like CNN and Media Matters to force YouTube and Facebook, I think, to cut us completely.
	Right now, they're just blocking videos and things like that, but there's a real push to wipe us out altogether.
	So, you know, that could happen any day, which is why we keep telling people, sign up to thehighwire.com so we can always tell you where we are and how you find us, like at Brideon, where we're placing a lot of our videos.
	Absolutely.
	And you've really nailed it with talking about the malicious partnership between left-wing media and the tech giants.
	So CNN or MSNBC will go out and start screaming and pouting about, oh my gosh, this person has to be censored.
	That person has to be censored.
	I mean, they started with, you know, Alex Jones a few years ago.
	Or they screamed about censoring me.
	And now it's you, and it's going to be others as well.
	And then, of course, the tech giants obediently comply immediately.
	And then they ban and blacklist your channels, and that's probably coming for you on YouTube as well.
	But my question to you, at what point did you realize that the entire establishment literally wants people to suffer and die?
	That the medical establishment has zero interest in helping people get healthy or avoid hospitalizations, avoid deaths.
	They actually want mass death, and that's why they covered up the truth about hydroxychloroquine.
	And that's why, you know, they're pushing censorship of you.
	That's why they're censoring dissenting voices like Dr.
	Judy Mikovits and so on.
	When did you realize how dark and malicious this whole thing was?
	You know, there's several stages to that.
	I mean, if you remember, what brings me into this whole conversation was I stumbled upon the story of Dr.
	William Thompson inside of the CDC who came forward saying, you know, in 2015 that their vaccine safety studies were manipulated and fraudulent and that they saw a connection with autism.
	So at the basis of my entry really into getting out from producing and becoming a voice in the movement is the film Vax that I made.
	And right there, watching mainstream media attack Uh, our film and getting kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival.
	Right there, I saw censorship and I watched media and you think of Tribeca Film Festival, they're supposed to be an arbiter of free speech.
	I mean, if a film festival, especially an independent film festival, that was supposed to be, hey, you can say anything.
	And that ended up not being the case.
	So I, from the beginning there, when you interview thousands of parents whose children are maimed, injured, Autism or death, HPV vaccine, the Gardasil vaccine has killed so many innocent children, and I've interviewed those people, and yet I watch it promoted on television all the time.
	So I'm aware that media is fully capable of forwarding an agenda and not caring about the side effect, not caring about those who die, right?
	But right now, this is a whole different level.
	At first, you know, when I look at vaccines, the casualty is huge, but I get that they just want to stick with the success of vaccines.
	But now they've turned the story, right?
	Now they want us to focus anecdotally on each single person that may die of COVID-19 as though that matters, but we don't focus singly on those single people that die from a vaccine.
	But I believe the hydroxychloroquine story, when we look at New York and you look at Andrew Cuomo, We're good to
	go.
	Half of our nation, you know, all Democrats, just were not going to accept this as a treatment.
	Governors making it, you know, impossible to use, only under emergency circumstances, when the treatment itself was, you know, was working because it was given at the moment you presented symptoms and were diagnosed.
	Not once you're on your deathbed on a ventilator, which we know killed 9 out of 10 people.
	So, I feel like Andrew Cuomo and the pushback...
	That's taken place by Deborah Birx and Tony Fauci against the drug.
	One day we will look at that as perhaps, you know, a crime against humanity.
	But they've taken it one step further.
	And if there was ever a doubt in my mind that they will absolutely kill people, it's in the trials that are taking place, both promoted by the WHO and the FDA. Two separate trials on hydroxychloroquine have been investigated now.
	Where they're using lethal doses of the drug.
	I talked to Vladimir Zelenko about this.
	You know, Vladimir is using 400 milligrams per day.
	Didier Ayut was using 600 milligrams per day.
	And Vladimir says the only reason he's using the extra 200 milligrams is he's not using zinc.
	And so Vladimir, as you use the zinc, you need much less.
	These trials that they're pointing to, that they want to say prove that the drug doesn't work, is using 2,400 milligrams per day, which is known to be a lethal dose, which means they are killing people.
	In trials right now with the drug in order to prove their point.
	And so there's so many layers to that that are sick and disgusting and terrifying.
	And so where once I thought we were just looking the other way on, you know, safety of products, now there really does seem to be a push to have people die and do not resuscitate orders.
	Right, Mike?
	When have we ever seen this?
	I mean, let's call it what it is.
	This is a big pharma conspiracy against humanity.
	These are crimes against humanity.
	It is a conspiracy.
	It's a criminal conspiracy.
	And what you described as crazy as all that is, it's just the tip of the iceberg.
	I mean, you know, the Lancet Science Journal and the New England Journal of Medicine published studies that they knew were rigged, totally fabricated studies using faked data ginned up to try to destroy any hope of hydroxychloroquine Being studied.
	And in fact, that study that was published in the Lancet was used by the WHO and the UN to cancel clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine.
	So now you begin to see the machinations of big pharma and how they can use the media, the medical journals, and government institutions like the WHO to control the narrative, crush anything that works, and push out things that don't work, and then make them mandatory.
	And that's my next question for you.
	We already see a strong push for making face masks mandatory and criminalizing people who don't wear them, which is, you know, totally insane.
	What, go to jail if you didn't wear a mask?
	Meanwhile, Governor Newsom is releasing prisoners from jail so that they don't catch COVID-19?
	What do you think is going to happen with the mandates on vaccines?
	I mean, there's the big question for you.
	Are they going to try to push for mandatory vaccines nationwide?
	And if you don't get a vaccine, you won't be able to work.
	The New England Journal of Medicine is already pushing that idea.
	Of course.
	To me, that was really what this was all about, at least from my perspective.
	I have a very specific, narrow window.
	I've carried my passion for science and medicine from the Doctors' television show into doing my own show, The High Wire, without the sponsors telling me what I can and can't say.
	But as I've traveled the world really talking about what I've discovered in vaccine safety, our nonprofit that funds the educational program that we call the High Wire has won four lawsuits against government health agencies, Health and Human Services, the CDC, the FDA, and the National Institute of Health.
	So we are directly, actively suing where we see weaknesses in making products safer.
	I mean, really, I'm just a consumer advocacy group.
	But all of that to say, what I've been learning as I've dug deeper and deeper into the problems with the vaccine program is that there is so much money being poured into governments around the world Especially America.
	The number one most powerful lobby in Washington is pharma.
	It's outspending oil and gas two to one.
	And so what I say to people is we fight wars in the Middle East for the amount of money that oil and gas is pumping into our government.
	Pharma is spending twice that.
	What do you think they're trying to get?
	Do you think they just want to have some friends on the hill?
	I mean, and I've been saying across the world, this money is pouring into every government everywhere around the world, every university.
	The textbooks are being written by pharma, and I've been saying, look out, any day now, pharma is going to attempt to take over the world.
	And sure enough, as we watched going into this spring, that's exactly coming out of Wuhan.
	I think that that's what this is all about.
	This has always been about a forced vaccination program for the world, for every adult.
	I travel around fighting the removal of exemptions at every state level, whether it's a philosophical or religious exemption that allows you to opt out of vaccinating.
	Of course, California really started this push.
	And that's why I've left California with SB 277 that took all parents' rights away.
	They can forcibly inject your child if you want them in school now.
	And essentially, those laws are being written for the whole country.
	But it doesn't get them there, right, Mike?
	The big story no one wants to talk about is the vaccine program has failed.
	It has failed itself under its own weight because it never delivered herd immunity.
	It never was able to create one single vaccine that would give you lifelong immunity.
	And this is proven by the amount of vaccines we give our kids.
	We've gone from the 11 in the 1980s when we were kids by the time we were 18 to now 54 and counting.
	Five D-taps.
	Potentially three MMRs.
	We're looking at a third one in college.
	There's two more MMRs coming as adults.
	And all of it's about adults, right?
	The measles outbreaks, everything.
	What I've been saying is the outbreaks are happening.
	Half of the population that's getting measles when they shouldn't be are adults, which means that's not anti-vaxxers.
	It's not people that haven't been vaccinated in their whole life.
	It's people that all got vaccinated, but the vaccines wore off.
	This is becoming a huge problem because just like antibiotics have done, the viruses are mutating.
	There's now measles viruses that are vaccine resistant.
	And now they've got to get adults to start vaccinating.
	And that's been part of the play.
	They've got to hide to us why they need us all vaccinated.
	They needed a fear.
	And so they've used COVID-19 as the way to push the adult vaccination program.
	And I think that's at the heart.
	Absolutely.
	Of killing people, of having no treatment.
	I mean, just really quickly, when you think about watching the news right now, Texas, we have, you know, high rates of death all of a sudden, you know, skyrocketing rates of infection.
	Every story, Florida, Georgia, Texas, not one mention of a treatment that's being used.
	Like, don't we all, wouldn't a decent journalist be saying, what are you using at the hospitals in Texas?
	Are you using hydroxychloroquine?
	Are you finding that it's failing?
	Are you using remdesivir?
	Have you tried vitamin C? Nobody, not a single journalist, no newspaper, is actually talking about the treatments that are being used and who's having success and who is not.
	That would be the actual discussion if we were free-thinking journalists without an agenda asking the appropriate questions.
	They're not asking those questions because none of this has anything to do with forwarding science or learning or our health.
	Well, you're right.
	You've hit upon a really key area I'd like you to comment on, which is the media ploy.
	So the media whips up the mass hysteria over the measles in Disneyland a few years back to push SB 277, and the media is whipping up the irrational fear now, taking beyond all rationality.
	I mean, yeah, sure, there is a virus, but it doesn't mean we all have to hide in caves in order to avoid it.
	They should just tell us, you know, Take some zinc and vitamin C and you're probably okay, but do you see evidence of this, that the media is actually acting as the marketing branch for the vaccine industry to spread fear that enriches the drug companies, which then turn around and advertise with the media giants?
	I mean, I try to ask myself the question, where would we be if no one had a television right now?
	You wouldn't know that there was this deadly virus.
	You'd be living your day as you normally would.
	When we look at Sweden that didn't really lock down, they had the same experience.
	The only difference with them is they've gotten through it, right?
	They're not seeing a second wave because they had the infections at the level they should have been.
	I think that media is the propaganda machine, and you know, in all the work you've done in natural health, that your mind-body connection, right?
	If you're afraid, if you're living in constant fear, your immune system, there's tons of studies, this isn't hocus-pocus anymore, we know your immune system is underperforming when you have adrenaline and fear Watch one day of news and that's all it is.
	It's just pouring fear into us and making us do whatever.
	We're on the verge of...
	There's people shooting their neighbor that aren't wearing a mask because they're being hyped into such a frenzy and all of that.
	I mean, that's all driven by pharma, which is funding the news.
	That's what people have got to recognize, is that up to 70% of all the commercial advertising on these networks is pharma, which means...
	No news anchor there is going to tell you the truth that there really isn't a bad virus here or there's ways that vitamin C, something you can get really cheap, could cure it.
	Well, that's true, and we've become a pharma state.
	Pharma controls everything, including Congress, so that Congress has passed laws that now indemnify big pharma from any financial responsibility for the damage caused by their faulty products.
	Now think about this.
	If the coronavirus vaccine is mandated, meaning you have no right to say no, you have no choice, But also, you have no right to sue the vaccine company for faulty products, or lack of quality control, or mistakes during manufacturing, which happen all the time in that industry.
	Think about it.
	It means that you, the individual, are forced to take on the financial responsibility For the damage caused by a corporation's faulty product that you didn't want in the first place.
	That has got to be illegal.
	That cannot be constitutional.
	It's anti-human rights.
	How can we live in a country where that is the case, where they can force a product into your blood and then make you pay the damage that it causes?
	It's really incredible, but it points to really the perfect storm.
	Because if you look at a COVID-19 vaccine, it's not only...
	We know we're rushing it, right?
	Everyone will admit, and I've debated Alan Dershowitz on this, who's a top trial attorney, so has Bobby Kennedy.
	We know we're rushing the vaccine out, and he'll say...
	Look, it shouldn't be forced on anybody under the rushed standards, but there'll be follow-up studies that then should be more thorough before we mandate it and all these ideas.
	But there's two major problems.
	Number one is, why is the manufacturer going to do follow-up studies once they've already selling billions of the product as it is?
	Why would they do a safety trial that would undermine killer sales?
	There's no way they're going to do it.
	And then let me ask you this.
	The government, which we know has just passed the PREP Act, which is even more liability protection than we already have from the 1986 Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, is But now, why would the government, why would Health and Human Services, CDC and FDA, why would they go out of their way to do deeper safety trials in the future Once they've already given it as they're promising right now.
	All the healthcare workers in America are supposed to have it by fall.
	Then, you know, if Melinda Gates gets away, African-Americans are second in line.
	And just down the line, once you start giving this product to all these millions of people, what government is going to do a safety trial that says, oh, geez, you know what?
	Hold on a second.
	We made a mistake.
	You're all in dire trouble.
	They're not going to do it.
	It looks bad for the government.
	It looks bad for everybody, which is what has been happening with vaccines all along.
	They don't do the trials because it's going to make people look bad and create all sorts of gigantic legal problems, but mostly a lack of confidence in your health departments and the government.
	So we're setting ourselves up for a world where no one is going to be incentivized to do the proper safety studies.
	And that's the biggest problem.
	And you're right.
	How do you force a product that has no liability on people so they have no natural recourse?
	Our country wasn't designed that way.
	Well, absolutely.
	And, you know, you hit upon something really crucial in all of this, which is that they're going to be targeting African Americans as among the very first to be vaccinated.
	And we already know from previous stories that you've covered as well, the CDC whistleblower and so on, that it was African American babies, male babies in particular, who were more susceptible to risks of autism from MMR vaccines,
	and that that was swept under the rug for So my question to you, Del, is do you think that if they succeed in vaccinating, let's say, millions of black Americans before the end of this year, over the next year or 18 months,
	do you think there is any likelihood that we could start seeing black Americans Dropping dead or hospitalized and that it's caused by the vaccine because it's an experimental vaccine, let's face it, there's no long-term trials, and some of these vaccines use the mRNA platform that overwrites the protein synthesis process in your body's cells and therefore might be making permanent long-term changes to your physiology that are unknowable.
	Right.
	Now, do you think we could be looking at another Tuskegee, almost like an anti-black vaccine holocaust in America?
	You know, I have to be careful in how I answer that.
	The Washington Post just wrote an article about me and others that are talking about African Americans, and I'll say the same thing I said to them when they interviewed me.
	I am simply saying to all of my black brothers and sisters that are out there, Be aware of the dangers of this vaccine that it's already had in trials, that are already going on.
	I won't tell anyone to not be a part of a trial.
	If you want to be in a trial, you should get paid for it.
	They better be telling you how risky this vaccine actually is.
	But when they start talking about, we want to give it to you, but it's not under a trial circumstances you're going to get it first, I would just be very aware of...
	What is the success?
	What safety trials have been done?
	What's going on?
	Because it doesn't matter if you're black, white, yellow, or red.
	I do think there is a serious, serious chance that those that first received this vaccine could have incredibly bad long-term effects.
	We've already seen massive short-term illness problems in the Moderna vaccine trials where the top two highest doses had severe adverse reactions.
	Oxford is seeing similar things.
	And as you're saying, you know, I'm not a doctor, but it's really curious, right?
	Mike, we're not putting a virus, a little piece of a virus, into your body the way we usually do, and your body's reacting to it.
	They'll say, oh, you might have a little bit of a fever.
	We're actually sending a piece of information, basically a line of code to send into your mother, you know, your motherboard, essentially, to start rewriting a different program.
	Why would that make everybody sick?
	Right up front, which it is.
	It's really quite alarming that anyone's getting sick.
	I think they thought nothing will happen at all is the most likely scenario.
	Instead, people are getting very sick.
	And then the biggest problem is this, Mike, and you know this, that in the trials with monkeys, actually ferrets, When they gave the coronavirus vaccines over the last four years, they created antibodies.
	They saw a great immune response, but when they did the challenge study where they actually hit them with the coronavirus, they had what was called antibody immune enhancement, which made them all more sick.
	Many of them died.
	So what we know is this vaccine has the potential to look like it's successful until you actually come in contact with the virus.
	And then we could have the problem that happened with dengue vax in the Philippines that it killed 100 people because it made their bodies overreact.
	This is what every frontline person should be worried about.
	And if that ends up being, you know, a statistically African-American community, then yes, you are talking about Tuskegee.
	If they start dropping like flies or getting sick, But we know how the dishonest media will spin this when people start dying from the vaccine.
	The Washington Post, for example, will report that people are dying from the coronavirus and that they need more vaccine shots.
	No matter what kills people, they will say that more vaccines are the answer, even if vaccines are causing the problem.
	We've seen the same thing with polio vaccines.
	You know, the number one cause of polio today is polio vaccines.
	And yet they claim we need more polio vaccines.
	And by the way, You mentioned that you talked to the Washington Post.
	I know you already know this, but just for the audience, you know, the Washington Post or any of these fake left-wing CIA propaganda rags, you know, they'll contact you, Del, and they'll say, oh, we want your side of the story.
	No, they don't.
	They're doing a hit piece, and they just want to make you look like an idiot, but they want the credibility of having talked to you on the story.
	That's why my policies, I don't talk to any of them anymore, because they're all malicious, anti-human liars, and actually treasonous insurrectionists who are trying to destroy this nation and cause massive human suffering and death.
	That's what they really are.
	They're not journalists, but I know you already know that at this point.
	I agree.
	I have the opposite policy.
	I talk to every single reporter that calls me because I assume, and I think it is correct to assume, that every time someone reads about me, it doesn't matter how big the hit piece or what's going on, I know that human curiosity will make them say, well, how bad is this guy?
	Let me see what his videos are actually saying.
	And I believe every day an article like that comes out, whether it's a hit piece or not, that I will gain followers and they will lose people.
	And that's why I moved forward.
	But I have a funny story for you.
	I was talking to one of these reporters once.
	I had been talking to him for an hour.
	And he kept saying, I'm still confused.
	I'm still confused, Del.
	And he was asking me about coronavirus vaccine, what my opinion was.
	And I said, look it.
	I've worked in journalism for many, many years now.
	You're not confused.
	I'm not a confusing person.
	I'm pretty transparent about everything I think.
	I've laid out for you an hour of everything.
	I've been honest with you across the board.
	I've answered every question.
	What you're confused about is I haven't said anything that makes me seem insane or crazy.
	It sounds perfectly logical.
	That's what's confusing you.
	I said, so do yourself a favor.
	Why don't you take a deep breath?
	Sit down for a couple minutes.
	You've heard my entire perspective and try and craft one question that you think can back me into a corner that I can give you that sound bite that makes me seem like a lunatic.
	Take your time.
	You know what he said?
	Alright, give me a minute.
	Swear to God, it's really happened.
	But I'm very happy with how I get quoted in the paper.
	So far, as long as they just say a full sentence of what I said in context, you know, I stand in the things that I say, and I know that they're hit pieces.
	And I oftentimes say, I know you're writing a hit piece about me, but what do you want to know?
	But, you know, there also comes a day where they maliciously and deliberately misrepresent the things you say.
	So, for example, I have always been a proponent of voluntary mask wearing in shared indoor environments such as, you know, subways and trains and so on.
	And I realize that's my personal opinion.
	Everybody doesn't share that.
	But, you know, I'll get attacked because I interviewed Judy Mikovits, who is more strongly opposed to masks and so on, because I interviewed her, because I like to talk to smart people who have different views.
	And she's a virologist, right?
	So I interviewed her, so the media attacks me and says that I'm telling people not to wear masks.
	So they deliberately lie on purpose in order to misrepresent you and try to make you look like a lunatic.
	One other thing, I'm sorry to even mention this, but A couple years ago, The Atlantic was trying to do a big hit piece on myself and Natural News, and they sent over a list of questions for me to answer by email.
	Questions trying to attack natural medicine and herbs and things like that.
	I answered them all meticulously.
	It was just comprehensive, fantastic answers.
	They canned the story.
	They did not print anything, because the answers made perfect sense.
	So I ended up publishing the story that The Atlantic refused to publish by publishing that entire interview myself.
	But you see, if they can't make you look crazy, they won't cover you.
	That's their policy.
	That's true.
	And for the most part, I find I only get one sentence.
	I always laugh.
	That's the best you can find is some statement about, you know, in fact, I think the last one about African Americans says, Del said, you know, his African brothers and sisters should look out.
	This could be another Tuskegee.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that's true, man.
	I have no problem with it.
	I was like, okay, fine.
	That is what I said.
	You know, but you bring up a really good point because I, too, right now I get censored and people will say, you've promoted the idea that this is a man-made virus.
	The truth is, is I'm still totally on the fence.
	I have not, you know, and I know that you and I, we've had conversations and we sit at times at different perspectives, but I too will have on people because I don't think the questions have been answered.
	And I think in many circumstances, as we both know, science often doesn't have the answer until a hundred years later, looking back, it finally, you know, is able to be honest and figure out what happened there.
	Certainly in the middle of this, we don't know what's going on, but Here would be my point to anyone that attacks me or wants to censor.
	It used to be that you wanted Barbara Walters to go and interview Qaddafi.
	Now, Qaddafi is not a friend of the United States of America, but we didn't say that Barbara Walters believes in what Qaddafi is into because she's interviewing him.
	You know, Gorbachev or any, you know, you name it.
	We always sit down with terrorists.
	I mean, we would fight.
	It used to be that the news would fight to be the one that Osama bin Laden allows into his lair to interview him because the idea of news is that people should want to know how this person thinks.
	When is it now that if I interview somebody, it means I agree with them?
	I am showing you their perspective so that you can have a clearer idea of what's out there.
	But you really hit upon the key issue here is that the medical establishment cannot stand for any dissenting views because the dissenting views are the ones that make the most sense.
	That's the thing.
	The vaccine pillars of dogma are so fragile that they can be toppled by one woman, for example, named Judy Mikovits, Or one man named Bobby Kennedy.
	If they allow one voice to say the emperor has no clothes, then the people might wake up and realize, oh my god, the emperor has no clothes.
	This is a total scam, media hype, money-making scam for people like Dr.
	Fauci and vaccine companies and so on.
	The whole thing is a massive scam, and that's why they can't tolerate any outside view that questions the dogma.
	And it is dogma.
	It's like a medical cult.
	And a massive scam.
	It's kind of like this weird combination of a giant Ponzi scheme in the stock market, insider trading, media control and globalism, you know, tyranny, all combined, like this weird toxic stew of Orwellian goo.
	It's insane.
	Well, and that's it.
	It's our growth that is causing our problem, right?
	We are, in many ways, our own worst enemy.
	The more we grow and the more successful we are in our communications, the more they have to shut us down.
	I don't see any reporting by CNN that they have to shut down the Flat Earth videos on YouTube and around the world.
	Because that idea just doesn't make sense to people, to at least not enough people.
	And I'm not going to get into it.
	I don't know people.
	I might be offending somebody out there.
	But the point being, it's because of what we're talking about that it actually makes sense.
	We're making sense.
	And we're showing science.
	And that's where they're very disingenuous when they report on me, especially this Media Matters article.
	They say, I make this unfounded claim.
	I've never made a claim on my show that doesn't have published...
	Medical Journal and peer review behind it.
	And so what are you talking about?
	And that's why they know it's problematic.
	So they call us names.
	They force censorship because the numbers are exploding, Mike.
	We're in an incredible wake-up period right now.
	So for everyone that's nervous about it, I say you should be very positive.
	We are achieving what we dream to achieve, which is people are waking up.
	Yeah, and they are waking up, by the way, real quick, how can people support your effort?
	Do they just go to thehighwire.com?
	That's a great place to support, right?
	Yeah, so we are completely non-profit based.
	I don't want to sell...
	Products of any kind, you know, I mean, you're lucky you have your own products and I'm too busy to start that route now.
	But the truth is, is if I even brought in a vitamin company or, you know, a colloidal silver or even a water treatment company, I'm going to get a call from them at some point that says, I don't like how you handle this issue.
	Maybe they believe in masks and I had someone that didn't.
	I don't want to have a show that's controlled by anybody.
	Now, people write in.
	I get complaints sometimes.
	I don't like how you handle that.
	But the truth is, is we're going to keep telling the truth as we know it.
	The best way to support us is our nonprofit website is ICanDecide.org.
	ICanDecide.org.
	You can hit the Donate button there.
	And that's where we archive all of our real scientific work, our lawsuits, all the work that we do outside of the show.
	People can check that out.
	We have a vaccine safety project there, which is both, you know, a PowerPoint that someone can use.
	We don't brand it.
	You can use it and teach your friends if you like.
	We also have white papers on vaccine safety there that people can find.
	Are donations to your group tax deductible?
	I mean, it's a non-profit?
	It's a non-profit, tax-deductible.
	We're trying to have everybody treat us like a subscription, whether it's a dollar a month or twenty dollars a month.
	As you well know, and something that people really got to think about, we vote with our dollars.
	And I say to people, how much is your cable bill?
	You know that that funding is going to pharma-driven information.
	CNN and Fox and all of these, you're paying to have pharma information poured into your house, into your children, a constant mantra on that box on your television, on your wall, to your children saying you cannot live without pharma.
	You cannot be alive.
	The only reason we exist, the only way we'll survive is if we have this vaccine.
	So you're funding that.
	You're funding that every time you buy, you know, a bottle of aspirin.
	You're funding this idea that pharma is keeping us alive.
	So while you're doing that, you know, why don't you try at least funding some things that are trying to get the opposite message out there, the correct message, and that's how we do it.
	If you can donate just a dollar or ten dollars a month like you would You're Netflix, then we can keep doing the work we're doing.
	Yeah, cancel Netflix, cut the cable to cable, and give your money to the high wire.
	It's going to go to a much better purpose.
	And by the way, you moved from California to Austin or the Austin area and got set up in record time.
	I was really impressed.
	I remember when you first told me you were going to maybe move to Texas.
	I'm like, yeah, I hear that all the time.
	But you actually did it, and you got set up.
	Do you talk publicly about why you moved, or is that...
	I mean, can you answer that?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, you know, there's two things.
	There's sort of providence, or, you know, I believe that I'm being guided by things much bigger than myself.
	So, right at the time in California, where I was having serious misgivings, SB 276...
	was sort of the last straw to me because they passed a law that took away our rights because they said we had to protect the immune compromised children and then SB 276 came along to make it impossible for an immune compromised child to get a medical exemption and then you knew they were just out to vaccinate everybody.
	But I was living at the time in Malibu, California, in a home that my mother-in-law had purchased.
	She's done very well in her life.
	And we were lucky enough when I was traveling with Bax, she wanted to make our families safer.
	So we had a gated community.
	It was absolutely paradise.
	And I said to my wife, I'm really concerned.
	I look back historically at Nazi Germany or events like that and say, why was anybody still there?
	It doesn't happen overnight.
	Slowly but surely, that water is boiling.
	It's coming up to a boiling temperature.
	So many of us ask, why didn't the Jewish people leave?
	Well, there's things you're attached to.
	You have your job.
	And you also have this idea that it's never going to get that bad.
	And that was happening to me, and I said to my wife, I'm afraid our house is so beautiful that it's overriding our instincts right now, because everything should be telling us we should get out.
	And I don't know that we'll ever make that decision.
	And you know what?
	About a week to ten days later, my house burned to the ground in the Malibu fires, which took that off the table for me.
	Now our paradise, our home in paradise was gone.
	And that really started me thinking, you know what, I really probably should be moving.
	I think that's a message.
	And then when I looked around the country, honestly, I'd been in Texas several times.
	I just thought there's two reasons I went to Texas.
	One, that they still have pretty good vaccine exemption laws.
	They also have open carry laws, and for some odd reason, wherever people can carry a gun on their hip, they tend to care about their liberty and their rights and control over their own body a little bit more.
	But it's not that Texas is going to remain safe.
	I actually think that this will be the number one battleground in the world.
	I think when it comes to forced vaccination programs, pharma is going to pour millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars into Texas during this COVID-19 vaccine experiment.
	Because if Texas falls, I really believe California is the democratic state, New York, the two big pillars of the Democrat Party have already taken away all of your rights.
	If they can drop the largest conservative state in the nation, America falls.
	We are all fighting.
	Forced, just like the herd they talk about as cows or goats, we're going to be forcibly injected properly to the United States of America.
	So I came to Texas to say we should all come here to choose one state we try to hold down and keep clean.
	Let me interject this thought.
	This is going to be a big picture thing that will bring up a lot.
	Pharma cannot exist without government subsidies.
	It's government that's purchasing most of the vaccines.
	It's government that's purchasing the overpriced pharmaceuticals for Medicare and Medicaid and so on.
	And our government, the United States government, is spending, you know, trillions of dollars and overspending to an extent that will lead to a financial collapse.
	You know, I interview many other people who are experts in finance who absolutely agree it's only a matter of time.
	We've created, what, six trillion dollars in new debt this year alone.
	And I remember when conservatives were complaining under the Obama years that Obama added about a trillion dollars a year to the national debt.
	In the month of June, we added a trillion dollars in one month.
	So it's going insane.
	The dollar will collapse.
	There's no question about it.
	I interviewed John Rubino, dollarcollapse.com, talks about that.
	When the dollar no longer has value, when the U.S. government can no longer just print money, Doesn't pharma collapse with it because of its dependence on government?
	Is that something that you have ever analyzed?
	Well, that is the big question.
	And I have that question.
	When we watch our economies being destroyed, and I ask people that are masking or hiding in their basements, whatever you're hiding from, we're putting China in charge.
	You do recognize that, that while we hide from this virus, they are in production.
	So now all of our food, our drugs, all of our cars, our televisions, everything we're going to need as we're hunkered down in our basement is going to be produced by one very powerful country, What does that mean for our future?
	And why would anyone that's an American entrepreneur support that?
	You know, it's like we're supporting our own demise.
	And it also, you know, I was talking to someone that works with me, very important, I don't want to out him, but he said to me recently, Up until this moment, Del, I've always been able to explain everything that's happening based on greed.
	That is just about making more money.
	And, you know, Del, you've been a little bit, you think I'm a little bit more extreme in my views, but he said, we are now at a point, based on a lot of what you just said, that greed doesn't seem to play into it.
	These multinational companies, who are they going to sell televisions to if we're flat broke?
	Who are they going to sell any of this stuff to if we don't have any money to buy it?
	You're destroying the largest consumer nation in the world right now.
	You're killing our dollar.
	You're killing our jobs.
	I don't know where this leads, but it's almost that...
	It's truly what, when we think, sometimes I wax spiritually, it's truly how the Bible would describe Satan or darkness, right?
	That it is so voracious that once it destroys the light, it destroys itself.
	And that really seems to be where we're at.
	It's almost like it's devouring itself and its desire now to have control.
	Well, think about the structure of the economy that they're trying to set up, which is that no one works.
	Everybody stays home, is paid fake counterfeit currency to stay home.
	That's printed up by the Federal Reserve.
	And then some amount of people who stay home use Robin Hood to invest in the drug companies that are making the vaccines that are mandated for everybody.
	So the stock market keeps going up and the people who are being vaccinated against their will, sitting at home without a job, without a life, they think they're getting rich because the market's going up, because the Fed's pumping the money.
	But the entire thing is false.
	There's no productivity.
	There's no personal growth.
	There's no health.
	There's no real value being added to society.
	The whole thing is fake, and what is fake will fail.
	It will collapse like a Ponzi scheme.
	We just don't know exactly when.
	You can't have an economy where you pay people to stay home and not work and just inject everybody with toxic chemicals and see how many die, but pump up the market.
	That doesn't work.
	Well, we watched it with the Soviet Union, and I'm really concerned, I said it on my show last week, that we're on the verge of bread lines.
	Who's packing the food right now?
	Who's doing the work?
	Who's got the warehouses filled?
	You know, where are the workers?
	If they can't stand within six feet of each other in jobs where you're usually shoulder-to-shoulder in manufacturing goods, especially our food, where is the future?
	You know, I went to...
	Just like an REI the other day to go camping, and half the store is empty.
	I mean, those might not be necessary goods, but they are if you need to survive off the land, you know?
	Well, yeah, I mean, gun sales are through the roof, too, because of all the riots.
	And, you know, I'm well informed about that industry, so I've been purchasing gun parts, for example, like complete uppers or AR-15 lowers and so on.
	Guess what?
	As of last night, all the gun parts are sold out.
	You can't even buy the parts.
	And for our warehouse, we can't buy latex gloves anymore.
	The gloves are all sold out.
	The masks are all sold out just for our workers to wear.
	We're using our supplies.
	And thank God I'm a prepper that I've got cases upon cases and cases of gloves and masks.
	Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to function as a company.
	My COO's refrigerator broke this morning, and she suddenly had to try and buy a refrigerator.
	There's no refrigerators to be found.
	You know, her whole family is sitting there, like, they're sold out of refrigerators.
	This is the beginning, I have to imagine, of what the Soviet Union looks like, where eventually, and...
	We're all being told to fight each other.
	It's your neighbor's fault that you're in this position, not the government, not Pharma or the television or your newscasters that sold you on a bill of goods that somehow sitting at home receiving more payment from the government than you were getting from your job was all just going to work out fine.
	I mean, you have to be an absolute moron, don't you, to see the longevity of that is so short-lived and what's on the other end?
	Well, and that brings up Nancy Pelosi.
	Since you're mentioning morons, she thinks that we should spend $3 trillion more to pump up more people with more government handouts to the point where nobody wants to work again.
	I mean, this is insane.
	It's economic insanity combined with medical tyranny combined with truly...
	What might be a devastating vaccine that kills potentially around the world millions of people over the next few years.
	And we don't know the answer, but they don't know either because they haven't tested it long term.
	Now that's exactly it.
	I mean, these can sound like conspiracy theories, except as I pointed out in the trials that they did on animals where you could actually challenge the animals, they died.
	So what happens if that happens to us from this vaccine?
	The point is, is it's now in the realm of possibility.
	It is possible, Mike, that we could be forced to use a vaccine that thinks it's overcome the antibody immune enhancement problem, where it sends your body into a cytokine storm.
	They could think they've gotten over it, right?
	Maybe it's because they're using one specific strain of the virus right now, and they're the first ones to admit, all scientists are saying, we don't We don't know why antibody immune enhancement happens.
	It's happened a few times in different vaccines and we canceled them forever, but we don't know why.
	It's not like they go, oh, we know how to avoid it.
	When it doesn't happen, it's sort of like, imagine if your refrigerator broke and you took it all apart and put it back together and suddenly it worked.
	You didn't change out any parts.
	You didn't learn anything.
	You don't know what went wrong to begin with.
	That's the same problem they have with this vaccine, right?
	What happens if they get through the trials?
	They don't seem to have antibody immune enhancement.
	They don't know why it happens.
	Maybe all the virus does is just mutate a little bit.
	It's already mutated two, three, five hundred times, depending on who you talk to right now.
	What if one of those mutations in our future a year from now triggers that antibody immune enhancement?
	And Bill Gates and our governments have gotten away with the forced vaccination of seven and a half billion people.
	I assure you, we are far more capable of wiping us, our own species off this planet than nature has ever proved to do it.
	It's never done it.
	Nature has never wiped us off this earth since the dawn of man.
	But a mistake scientifically in a forced vaccination program, it has all the potential to do that currently as we look at the current science.
	That's right.
	And if that happens, have no doubt, they will blame you and me.
	So, somehow.
	It'll be our fault.
	No question about it.
	Okay, final question for you today.
	And we'll wrap this up.
	And I want to thank you for taking the time.
	I know you're busy as well.
	But aren't we, at some level here, aren't we, as vaccine skeptics, Not truly anti-vaxxers.
	We are skeptical about the safety of the vaccines or the ingredients of the vaccines or the claims of vaccines, but we're not anti-science people at all.
	In fact, we are pro-science, pro-reason.
	But aren't we winning, actually, right now, in the sense that...
	Now more than ever before in America, there is a larger percentage of people who are now skeptical about the claims of vaccines and Dr.
	Fauci and Dr.
	Birx and so on.
	They're more skeptical now than ever before because they see that we've been lied to.
	about masks and mandates and the flip-flopping of the surgeon general and the WHO and the CDC and the fake tests and the false positives and people dying from COVID in a motorcycle crash and all these other things.
	Aren't people more skeptical now than ever before?
	Yes, they are.
	And every headline says that, whether it's written by the American Academy of Pediatrics or, you know, some other, you know, Washington Post, they are literally putting headlines the anti-vaxxers are winning.
	They're already saying that if the vaccine doesn't work, it'll be because the anti-vaxxers kept again from getting to herd immunity.
	Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that they're now reporting that it doesn't look like it's going to stop transmission.
	It may just lower your symptoms, which I find hysterical.
	In a world that's asymptomatic and having no symptoms, how you're going to make the symptoms lighter than they already are is beyond me, but that's all a part of their word salad.
	But here's the point I want to make, because they make, you know, the work that we do, we are growing, we are winning.
	It is why, I think in some ways, this may be our fault, Mike.
	This oppression This takeover of the world, I think they've jumped a beat.
	I think they could have gotten here a lot easier had they waited for an Ebola outbreak or something like that to happen around the world.
	You wouldn't have the skepticism.
	But we were growing so fast, Mike, moving past the 30% threshold, which that's a voting block.
	That's a game changer.
	When 30%, 40%, 50% of parents now in America are skipping at least one of the vaccines in the program, that means they are now skeptical of the vaccine program.
	And I want to say this for someone who says, and that's what makes you guys so dangerous.
	This is how we changed BPAs, the plastic.
	It was because we made people skeptical of the baby bottles you were using.
	This is how we got seat belts in cars.
	This is how you make changes to make people safer.
	You have to make them skeptical that the industry cares about them at all.
	And of all the industries in the world to be skeptical about, Johnson& Johnson They paid out $3.5 billion last year because they knew talcum powder, their shower-to-shower-each-day products, and baby powders had asbestos in them.
	Always did know they did.
	Well, they have one of the vaccines that is going into trial right now as we speak.
	Do you really trust Johnson& Johnson?
	They were also part of the opioid epidemic and working with the Sackler family.
	Merck, another huge player in vaccines, made Vioxx that killed over 100,000 people, if not half a million people.
	All of these companies, as Robert F. Kennedy puts it, Jr., so often, the three leading vaccine makers are responsible for tens of billions of dollars in criminal settlements for murdering innocent people.
	So of all the industries, to put some skepticism on, that's what we're doing.
	I am not anti-vaccine, and I will never say I'm anti-vaccine, even though that upsets people on my side of the aisle, because the truth is this.
	There may be one day a disease I actually am afraid of that seems to be sweeping the nation and a vaccine that looks like it's been through proper safety studies that could make a difference.
	I won't say that that's not possible.
	It's just not in the world I'm in right now.
	I haven't seen proper safety studies of any of the vaccines that are available.
	I don't inject my children or myself with products that haven't been through safety studies.
	It's just that simple.
	For those that are anti-vaccine, know that I will always be fighting against mandates for anything to be injected into your body.
	You're not a cow.
	You're not a goat.
	You're not You're a free citizen and what goes into your body and your children is your choice.
	But for people that are pro-vaccine, they should know that I am working hard to make the vaccines you believe in as safe as they can possibly be, including We just demanded that the FDA add a saline placebo group to every second and third phase trial of any vaccine they approve in the United States of America, and they just made that change.
	We are working on other changes, but we are in a position now where they're listening, and I want to try and make these products for those people who believe in them have to go through the proper safety studies.
	Well, see, I'll go one step further than you on this.
	Everything that you said makes sense.
	And I've published a report called How to Make Vaccines Safer.
	But I believe, and these are my words, not yours, that they deliberately make vaccines dangerous.
	They deliberately put adjuvants in them.
	They deliberately use mercury on vaccines in children.
	I've got a letter from the Secretary of Health of the State of California that admits it.
	Why would you inject a child with mercury if you didn't want to cause neurological damage?
	You see, vaccines could be made safer, but they deliberately make them dangerous for the masses.
	And that's the issue.
	I think these are criminal operations.
	Many of the companies, such as Bayer, are offshoots of IG Farben, the actual Nazi group that used their medical technology to mass murder millions of Jews.
	In World War II. Crimes against humanity.
	In fact, the co-chairperson of Bayer went to prison for crimes against humanity.
	It's not just some conspiracy theory, it's history, folks.
	It's history.
	And nothing has changed.
	GlaxoSmithKline, $3 billion settlement with the DOJ under Barack Obama.
	GlaxoSmithKline ran a bribery network of 44,000 doctors in the United States.
	That's 44,000 doctors who took money to kill people for profit, by the way.
	So yes, the industry is evil, more evil than we can imagine, and even more evil, Del, than you can even probably cover on your show.
	The level of evil is so deep, it's anti-human.
	It's demonic.
	That's the truth.
	Well, and I'll be honest with you, Mike.
	I slowly move in that direction.
	As I said, everything I say has to be backed up by published peer-reviewed science.
	But you're right.
	There may be a difference between you and I, and it's simply that I am not wired to be able to see humanity that dark.
	But it's getting closer and closer to humanity.
	I can't explain it any other way, right?
	I'm running out of ways to defend doctors that just didn't know better, right?
	And to defend health agencies that knowingly are not doing the correct studies to get to the bottom of it.
	And for instance, when it comes to vaccinations, I had a meeting at the National Institute of Health that Donald Trump set up with, with Bobby Kennedy.
	We asked for really simple things.
	Number one...
	If vaccines make us healthier, take your database at the CDC called the VSD, and it's got 10 million people in it, tens of thousands of unvaccinated individuals, just do a comparative study.
	Vaccinated versus the completely unvaccinated and ask simple questions.
	Who has more cancer?
	Who has more leukemia?
	Who has more diabetes?
	Who has more ADD, ADHD? Who has more autism?
	You know, the list goes on and on.
	It'd be the easiest study known to man.
	We have computer learning.
	They can do this literally in hours.
	And you know what they said to us?
	We will never do that study.
	That says to me, yeah, then you are all a bunch of murderers and you know it.
	Because the truth is...
	That would end this civil war right now, Mike.
	If they came out and could show us a highly powered comparative study and the vaccinated individuals are much healthier than the unvaccinated individuals, we do not have a voice.
	It would absolutely rock us.
	And I know you're probably a little bit nervous right now.
	Del, how could you ever trust that study?
	Mike, I have to believe they've done that study every way sideways to try and come out with that outcome because it would end the conversation forever.
	It is clear.
	The data does not lie.
	Vaccines are destroying our health in this country and around the world, and they know it because you know damn well they've done that study.
	They just haven't shown it to us.
	They absolutely do.
	And by the way, it took me 20 years to peel back layer after layer to understand the depths of the darkness and evil that now infest the vaccine industry.
	And I didn't want to believe it either.
	And I didn't want to spend my life peering into that abyss, frankly.
	You look at my videos from ten years ago, I was talking about herbs and goats and chickens and sunshine and clouds.
	It's like now, you know, but you can't deny it once you look into it.
	We'll talk about that more down the road, but I just want to say welcome to Texas.
	Thank you for taking the time today.
	Your voice is really critical for our movement.
	And please, reach out to us and join us anytime you have a big story that you want us to help get out.
	And keep using Brighton.com.
	And for the folks out there, they'll be able to find your videos on Brighton a few days after they go live on your site.
	But thank you for everything that you do.
	And Take every precaution to remain safe because the industry hires killers.
	I mean assassins, okay?
	I'm not kidding.
	They hire assassins and they will come for you.
	And you need to protect yourself.
	Just put that out there.
	Well, I appreciate it, and you've obviously been a pioneer far out ahead of me, so much of the guiding light that has helped, you know, me understand how to move forward.
	It feels good to know you're always out there, and everyone should know.
	Brighteon, I mean, more and more we're being forced into platforms that are not going to censor us, so everyone can expect every show on Thursday.
	On Friday, it will be on Brighteon.
	If you want to support Brighteon, go over and check us out there.
	We're going to build our entire archives moving over there because we just can't risk it.
	We've got to have a place.
	And I want to thank you for pioneering that work.
	It's not cheap.
	It's not easy.
	And you're setting up these platforms so that those of us like me that want to be able to speak freely will always be able to speak freely.
	So you're a serious hero, Mike.
	It's been an honor to speak with you today.
	Thank you so much, Dell.
	And folks, share this interview everywhere you can.
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	That's the correct URL, correct?
	Yes, it is.
	Thehighwire.com, watch his show, support his operation, and give us your feedback, and be ready to join the fight for human freedom, because it is at our doorstep right now, today.
	Thank you so much, Del.
	It's an honor to talk with you.
	Thank you, Mike.
	Mike, keep up the good work.
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