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April 24, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Len Saputo on the true path to healing humanity
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Welcome everyone to another important episode of Brighton Conversations.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of brighteon.com, which is now serving millions of video views a month, especially on banned videos about topics that you're not allowed to share on YouTube or Facebook or Google or Twitter or anywhere else.
So if you want to know the truth, Brighteon is the place to go.
And today we're joined by a very special guest who is a lifelong truth teller.
And he has fascinating information for us about the interaction between 5G exposure and COVID-19 deaths.
Yes, there is a link if you believe in the laws of physics.
And his name is Dr.
Len Saputo.
His website is DrSaputo.com.
We'll put it on screen for you.
And on Brighteon.com, his channel is Health Medicine.
Dr.
Saputo, thank you for joining us today.
I'm a fan of your work.
It's great to have you on.
It's mutual, and thank you for having me, Mike.
Well, it's been a little while since we've spoken, and since then, you know, the world has gone insane with the coronavirus, COVID-19, 5G expansion, everything.
Tell us just right off the bat here, is there a link between 5G and what people are dying from right now?
Well, that remains to be proven, but there's a lot of evidence that suggests that.
First of all, there were some studies that linked it that were published in Spain, and they're very interesting to see.
And we need more data, there's no question about that.
So I don't want to say that we know there's a link there for sure, but we know that there is some science behind it.
We know that energy production, ATP production, is limited by 5G. It affects the mitochondria, which is the energy producing part of the cell that makes ATP. And in every chronic disease, the bottom thing that we see is a reduction in ATP production.
So it's really important that we have the amount of ATP that we need.
So we have something what I call the wellness buffer.
So it takes a certain amount of loss of function of any organ system in the body before we start to see signs of its failure to operate properly.
And that buffer is what keeps us well.
Now, when you add 5G to that mix and the loss of ATP, you're looking at something that is like the straw that could break the camel's back.
So it always has an effect on our health that's negative.
The question is, do we have to have a disease that is like autism or schizophrenia or some of the things people are talking about that it's linked to before we know that it's doing something that's dangerous?
And the answer to that is definitely we do not have to have a disease.
Because we know that we're moving in the direction of that.
Then we have the study that Dr.
Beverly Rubick did, and I hope sometime you'll invite her to your show because she is fantastic, both on the show and with her knowledge of some studies that she's done on this.
And one of the studies she did is she looked at 4G from cell phone radiation and has a dark field microscope at 8,000 power.
And what she saw when she put people near their cell phones is that their blood got thick.
Now, the interesting correlation here is that when blood gets thick and you've got COVID-19, that's a double whammy.
We know that COVID-19 causes hypercoagulation, particularly in the later phases of a severe disease where people are, say, in the ICU. So if you've got that as a problem already that's causing a lack of ability of oxygen to be absorbed through the lungs because of clots that are in there, put 5G in there or 4G in there.
And where do you think you have a ton of that?
The hospital.
That is shocking.
We also know, Dr.
Saputo, that some of the comorbidity factors with coronavirus fatalities include, well, hypertension as well as stroke, and it seems like both of those conditions contributing factors could be excessive blood coagulation, which reduces the viscosity of blood flow through the cardiovascular system, so a lot of contributing factors.
Yeah, and heart attacks, strokes, any kind of problem where you're limiting blood flow is going to be a stress on the body and puts you at risk for failure of the organ system that's the weakest.
Let's back up just a little bit, too.
I want to establish something for the audience.
Many people haven't yet made the connection between 4G or 5G electromagnetic exposure and the blood of the body being flooded with those electromagnetic waves.
It's important for people to understand that 5G, in particular, penetrates the body.
This is why 5G works when you're inside a building, for example.
Yeah, well, it's much more powerful.
And where do you see 6G or 7G or 10G? I mean, it's frightening enough where it is at 4G. So I think we should do everything we can to protect our wellness buffer.
And we're doing a giant experiment on humanity.
We're the guinea pigs.
And it's not like it's a little localized experiment.
We're talking about a global experiment.
And that's without any data.
I mean, the Scientific Advisory Committee on Radiofrequency and Health says it's safe, but the FCC and the EPA have done no studies.
So we don't...
How do we know that this is safe for us?
No, it sounds like the history of pesticides or, you know, when they were spraying lead arsenate all over the orchards of Washington State back in the 1930s.
Oh, it's safe.
It kills bugs, but, you know, a little lead is good for you.
And, you know, at the dawn of the discovery of radiation, the early pioneers, many of them died of essentially cancer caused by radiation poisoning.
Yeah.
But they thought this was a great new way to bathe the body in energy.
Yeah, they're bathing in the wrong kind of energy.
That's right.
I don't think there's any doubt that this is harmful to the body.
The question is, is how harmful is it?
Until we do the studies, we won't know.
So we've got to get off.
We've got to get the NIH to do its job.
That's the problem.
See, the National Institutes of Health doesn't...
Our tax money is what pays for their ability to do research.
But they don't award the grants to people who are doing complementary and alternative things, which I call cutting-edge pioneering medicine.
We need to have research on things that don't make money, things that you can't patent.
And we should be looking at things like 5G and doing the studies that are clear, that will show outcomes that we could count on.
And they haven't been done, and yet here it is.
It's going to be a global thing in just a short order.
Well, not only is there not being research done on things that are really critical for human health, but also look at the way the research has been rigged and altered on hydroxychloroquine and zinc.
You know, the establishment is creating Studies that are designed to fail in order to discredit an off-patent drug so they can clear the way for high-profit vaccines and on-patent prescription drugs like remdesivir, for example.
The level of corruption now is off the charts.
It's clear.
I mean, hydroxychloroquine doesn't work without zinc.
We know that.
And so what do they do, though?
They study with no zinc.
And then they have things like artemisinin, which most people haven't heard of, but in Madagascar, there's a president, the president of Madagascar, was using artemisinin, a form of it, and giving it for free to the people of his country, and they were getting better.
And artemisinin's been around for like decades, 40, 50 years, used to treat malaria, and it's approved by the FDA. So what does the World Health Organization do?
The herb grows in areas where malaria is prominent.
That's a clue.
And so they tried to stop him.
They said, you can't do this without studies that shows that it works in COVID-19.
And he basically said, you guys are nuts.
He says, I've got people that are dying from this.
I'm not going to listen to you.
I'm just going to go on doing what I'm doing.
And you're getting in the way.
Could this corruption that's now becoming evident to not just, let's say, natural health people or naturopathy-oriented individuals, we're talking about the loss of faith in the mainstream institutions of health, such as the CDC, the NIH, the WHO, that loss of faith is widespread now.
It has gone mainstream with a speed that I never could have imagined.
I mean, the whole world is losing faith in these institutions.
Yeah, it's about time that the world starts to wake up to that.
I mean, I wrote a book on that about 10 years ago, and it's still accurate.
It's called A Return to Healing.
And it talks about why we have the corruption that we have and how doctors have gotten to be they are, the way they are, and how people have awakened to the fact that the stuff that's published in our medical journals is not good stuff.
You know, people like Marsha Angel, I don't know if you know her work.
Oh yeah, yes, I do.
She was the, wasn't she the head of one of the journals?
New England Journal of Medicine, a Harvard doctor.
She'd been on the Journal Advisory Board for 20 years.
She quit and said, the stuff in this journal is so bad that I can't trust it.
And so she bugged off.
Catherine DeAngelis of the Journal of American Medical Association said the same thing, but she didn't quit her job.
And Ushwaneil of the Journal of Clinical Investigation quit her job and did the same thing.
When we study the amount of good science that there is in medicine, because of the corruption, the conflicts of interest, because most of the research is done by big pharma, That amount of information that's reliable, according to the Office of Technology Assessment, is 1%.
And that's just shocking.
And doctors are trusting that information when they treat their patients in the ICU. And our lives depend on that.
This is insane.
And what's even more extraordinary is because of the profit motive behind a lot of these companies, like we recently saw Moderna, Issue a press release touting some phase one trials, which were a joke.
They only injected eight patients with the vaccine and the entire stock market skyrocketed.
Their stocks just skyrocketed.
Then they issued public stock offerings at the new high price.
I mean, the whole thing smacks of just total criminal fraud.
Oh, well, look at the setup here.
I mean, you can't get the studies done on treatments that work, okay?
Hydroxychloroquine, chlorine dioxide, artemisinin, IV vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin A. All these things should be...
The NIH has a responsibility to you and me, the taxpayers, to do these studies so we can know what's going on.
But yet that's being suppressed.
And what's left?
A vaccine.
We can't stop the lockdown until we have a vaccine.
What kind of nonsense is that, especially when you haven't even isolated the virus and you can't make a clean vaccine?
It makes no sense.
Well, it does make sense, but I'm afraid it doesn't make the kind of sense I want to see.
Well, let's talk about this vaccine and the relation to 5G, because I did some research into the mRNA platform and found that when they build, they encode mRNA strands synthetically, which is basically a script to tell your body which proteins to synthesize.
They inject that into your tissue.
It goes into your blood, where, by the way, it causes extreme inflammation and autoimmune disorders.
Of course.
And then somehow it goes into your cells.
Now, that cell membrane porosity is altered, according to my research, by 5G exposure.
In other words, the vaccine and what's happening with the RNA that's being pushed into your cells, the efficiency or the acceleration of that is altered by exposure to 5G. You know, talk about a perfect storm of bad effects.
Yeah.
Well, there's an ulterior motive, apparently.
And nobody's come clean and admitted it.
But, you know, you see a piece of the puzzle and you go, it just doesn't look quite right.
And I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but it doesn't look right.
And then another piece comes along.
And the next thing you know is you're seeing something that's got a picture to it.
You're going, oh, my God, this could be that.
That's what I see that's happening with this whole business with COVID-19 and the way the research is being done and how the vaccine is being touted as the answer.
I worry about people like Bill Gates who are behind a lot of this.
They've got their fingers in almost every medical organization on the planet.
Even the World Health Organization, they are now the biggest contributor to WHO. Bill Gates, an individual?
This is not clean science.
It makes me wonder how we're going to get that science done.
Who's going to do it?
If the NIH isn't going to do it, because Fauci and Gates are big buddies and he hasn't made a move to do it yet, it's worrisome.
But Dr.
Saputo, they're not even attempting to do the science.
They're only attempting to make a mockery, to go through the appearance I mean, they've skipped the animal trials on the Moderna vaccines.
They're leaping from phase one to phase three in a matter of a few weeks.
They're already getting investor money to ramp up a production of a vaccine that has only been injected in eight people in a phase one trial.
An entirely new platform.
There's no FDA approval for any mRNA vaccine for human consumption.
Never been done.
I mean, this...
You talk about insanity, but they're not even trying to do the science.
That's the thing.
Well, that's totally right.
And we're dealing with something that is being railroaded through without adequate testing.
And you have to keep in mind that in 1986, the government passed a rule that said that the drug companies weren't responsible for anything that happened to people because they were making a vaccine.
And I guess the idea, at least in theory, if you're going to be optimistic about it, is they were trying to get vaccines out that they thought might be a good vaccine to protect people.
But now what's happened is the drug companies, which are for profit, they don't do work because they're just trying to help you.
But if they find something that helps you, then they're going to make even more profit.
That's nice.
And that's the problem with the vaccines.
So they don't have to make a vaccine that does anything more than make an antibody, which might be an antibody that doesn't do anything except bind to a virus and do nothing to it.
And what they need to have is neutralizing antibodies.
And then what about the safety?
Are they actually motivated to do extra trials or will they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on it?
No!
So they wind up coming up with something like what you're describing.
It's pure craziness.
No, it's just a mad rush to bring it to market for stock market profits.
But think about this.
The most likely individuals to be demanded to take this vaccine, I mean, mandatory vaccines will be doctors and nurses and first responders, right?
So if you think about it, our nation We are going to turn all of our doctors into guinea pigs for a mad medical vaccine experiment on a new platform that bypassed most of the trials, that's all being done for profit.
Do you realize that if this thing goes wrong, we could have a die-off of our doctors and nurses?
It's terrible.
It's not right that they should be able to do something like that, and yet we don't have any medical freedom in this country.
The U.S. Constitution does not provide for that.
So it is legal for them to say, we are mandating a vaccine.
We think it's safe, but we're going to give it to you anyway.
And if you say no, they can send the cops to your door, they can tie you up, and they can put a vaccine in your arm, and it's fine.
It's legal.
Go ahead.
No, I agree with you.
We need that Benjamin Rush constitutional amendment for health freedom.
But how much resistance do you think there would be to a vaccine mandate nationwide?
Civil war.
I think it'd go that far.
I mean, they're certainly not going to put that thing in me.
You know, I'm not strong enough to do too much about it, but I'm going to resist it with all I can.
I might even move.
I don't think it's a good idea.
And I don't think it's...
They've been trying to make a SARS vaccine, which is a coronavirus as well, for almost 20 years.
They haven't been successful.
Now they're going to do it in less than a year?
Come on!
Right.
With a new experimental platform, too.
Yeah, good luck.
Yeah, right.
I wish myself good luck.
It's like in 1935, trying to build an atomic bomb in three months and just testing it on the U.S. population.
I mean, in fact, you know what?
Right now, according to official stats, which we know are strongly skewed, COVID-19 has killed more people than Hiroshima and Nagasaki fatalities combined.
Now, I believe, and I want to ask you, it's okay if you disagree with me on this, but I believe that the coronavirus was engineered as a weapon against humanity, which means that that is now the most deadly weapon of mass destruction in human history.
What's your take on that?
Well, I'm very suspicious of that.
It's hard to think that a virus like that wasn't engineered.
Because it's not going to just happen naturally very often.
The odds against that are pretty small.
And so what we're looking at is World War III that started out.
And what we've done is developed a biological weapon that's causing economic disaster.
Look what's happened.
And I'm stunned that this virus has been respected as much as it has, because when it happened in Wuhan, you thought, okay, so they had a little thing there in Wuhan.
And like President Trump thought, I thought, no, this isn't going to be any big deal, but sure as hell it was.
And then we went down on lockdown, as did almost every other country on the planet.
What motivated all that?
Because when you actually look at the numbers, they say 100,000 people have died.
They haven't died of COVID-19.
They've died with it.
When you look at the numbers, which I did a couple of weeks ago, and there were 80,000 or 75,000 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University, we know that that number came out of there.
There were only about...
37,000 deaths predicted by the CDC, and we know they exaggerated things.
And then when they published on the number of deaths from pneumonia that they thought might be from COVID-19, that was like 16,500.
Now, that's the real number because that's how people die of COVID-19.
They don't die of gunshot wounds and heart attacks and strokes and things like it's purported to do.
We've simply...
We've relabeled the diseases we have because there haven't been a whole lot more deaths this year than there have been the last 20 years at this time of the year.
You know, it's extraordinary the wild variations in the numbers from so-called official sources that keep changing day by day.
But let me share this with you because, you know, initially I could understand the initial lockdown For maybe 28 days max until we knew what was happening.
But then they weaponized the lockdowns way beyond that.
And now we know good research, I think it's out of Singapore, that shows COVID-19 carriers are no longer infectious after just 11 days.
So really, a lockdown only needs to be, I mean, two weeks.
Two weeks.
You shut it down and that's it.
What kind of lockdown is this where we put healthy people in quarantine?
I thought a quarantine was to put sick people.
And why do we put the people who are most vulnerable, which are the ones over about 70 years old, put them in quarantine if they want, and put the people who have other comorbidities and are at a high risk for getting it and having something bad happen to it?
That's the way to do it.
Even more maliciously, Governor Cuomo in New York putting infected patients into nursing homes with highly vulnerable...
I mean, how is that not...
You know, manslaughter or something.
I mean, it's beyond unethical.
It's malicious.
Well, the things that happen in the real world when it comes to money and how things are operated remind me of the Vioxx story, which I'll just tell you quickly.
You know that in 1994, they knew that it caused heart attacks and strokes.
They put the drug out anyway in 1999.
They didn't tell the FDA, they say.
And five years later, there were 50 or 100,000 people who had died from heart attacks and strokes and many thousands of others who were just maimed by it.
Now, they were fined $5 billion, but they still made profit on that.
And they knew full well that they would.
Now, wasn't that murder?
And there wasn't one person who paid any penalty for that.
And it's the same thing that we're seeing now with some of the things that are happening with COVID-19.
And the research is not done.
That's what's extraordinary.
I mean, we even had this New York ICU doctor, Kyle Seidel, I believe, begging them to stop killing patients with ventilators, right?
So what was the response from the medical establishment and big tech?
Oh, ban him.
Shut off his channel, ban his videos, move him out of the ICU, silence him, because he was challenging the broken system that was killing people.
That's right.
It's as if they wanted the fatalities to be as high as possible.
Oh, that's right.
And look what Medicare did.
They'll reward you for putting somebody on a ventilator.
They'll give you $39,000 to the hospital if they do that.
And I think you're giving somebody $10,000 or $12,000 to make the diagnosis of COVID-19.
This whole thing is built up to the picture is looking more and more like conspiracy.
Not because I'm a conspiracy theorist, but because that's how it looks.
And you can't just hide from that.
Nobody likes a conspiracy theorist.
But you can't be blind.
You've got to take a look at what the picture shows.
And then you've got to be honest about sharing it.
That's what we're trying to do here.
Well, I think the pejorative label of conspiracy theorists has been shattered, frankly.
No, you're right.
I think that so many people are waking up about the total fraud behind, you know, the coronavirus push, the ventilator deaths.
I mean, I see people now going back and questioning 9-11.
Like, well, if they lied about this, maybe they lied about that, you know, or questioning Oklahoma City or whatever.
But here's something.
Imagine a picture from a hospital right now.
Beds, rows of patients on ventilators.
You know what that looks like?
It looks like that scene out of The Matrix, the first Matrix movie, where they're in the pods and they've got the big hoses coming out of their faces and they're tied in with all the...
That's what this is.
You're in The Matrix and they're killing you.
They're exploiting your body for profit.
It is The Matrix.
It's in the hospitals now.
Well, it's really sad that things have gotten the way they are and that people are not responsible.
They're not loyal to the right things.
We're not doing to each other as we do unto ourselves, and we're not going to see a change in how things are until we evolve.
We have revolution after revolution.
We get angry.
We want to punish people.
And then we get another pretty face that takes the place of the face that was already there doing the same thing.
And a few years later, he's pushed out of office.
Until we evolve to a higher level of consciousness, we're screwed because there can't be any real substance of change.
And what we're moving from is a narcissistic attitude that it's all about I, me, my, and mine.
It's about money.
It's about power.
And what we should be doing and what we crave is to be loved.
And the way we do that is by giving and sharing and connecting with people.
We ought to be building community instead of trying to dominate people.
And until that happens, we're done.
I'm really glad you pivoted the conversation in this direction because I did want to get to solutions as well.
But you've really hit on a critical point, very amazing insight, that what we're seeing in the world is an extension of the inner broken philosophies.
I hear people saying, well, we want the vaccine to succeed because I have, they would say, retirement funds invested in the vaccine companies.
Even to many people today, it doesn't matter the harm or the fraud.
As long as their portfolio is okay, then they think they're winning.
You're not winning when you're injected and dead.
That's not a win, folks.
We've got to change the whole approach to what we're doing here.
That's right.
I've been a doctor for more than 50 years.
And the joy that I get out of practicing medicine far exceeds what I make from it.
Because the last 10 years, I have made a dime in my practice, and I'm in a full-time practice.
And to be able to take somebody in and to do things that other people won't do because they don't have the time or the technology, we'll have to do another show sometime on light therapies.
Because I can tell you, we're treating dementias now and neuropathies.
And people who have all kinds of pain syndrome, even the RSDs, which are the most difficult to treat.
We've been doing that for 20 years.
And I have a line of people that come to me all the time.
It's really something to take somebody with Alzheimer's disease or Parkinson's disease and in 15 or 20 minutes make a change in how they are.
And over a period of a week or two, see them start to wake up and come back and have functional lives.
These are the things that make me tick.
And to give...
At the expense of my own self is a privilege because then we can do something that makes somebody else's life worthwhile.
So I take a lot of patients who can't afford anything and I'll just do what I do for them.
If somebody has like a diabetic neuropathy and they got pain in their feet and they're numb and they're in a wheelchair, usually in a week I get those people back to walking.
It's stunning.
And nobody believes it because it sounds so outrageous.
But these are the things that make me tick, and it makes me happy.
I can sleep at night when I'm like that, as opposed to some of the people who are in the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry, and we're seeing things happen like they are in medicine today.
We need evolution.
Social evolution and transformation.
Well, you've hit upon an important issue.
I mean, the Dr.
Saputo model that you just described is the humanitarian model.
It's the compassionate model.
And frankly, it's the most effective, most affordable, and safest model.
And yet, there is no profit.
Certainly not the big profits that the drug companies demand.
I mean, they're going to make hundreds of billions of dollars off of these vaccines, and that's all they care about.
So your model in this system of economic rewarding of pure greed, your model can never compete with their model in that landscape, even though, of course, you're the winner in terms of humanity.
Oh, yeah.
We're not here that long.
We're only here 100 years at the most.
And there's, what, 5 or 6 billion years of history?
And for a measly 100 years, we're going to get greedy and try to have luxuries at the expense of the other people and split the classes so there's only the rich and the poor and there's the ones that dominated.
No, there's something wrong with that.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, what about the idea of taking away intellectual property rights from all drug development and also genetics?
So make a new law, no intellectual property claims on pharmaceuticals or human genes or even animal genes.
Would that be something you would support?
It would start that way.
I'm more, legislation to me is a starting point, but inspiration It's where the final line is.
If you can inspire people to say, I'm going to do it this way because it's right and that's the way it's going to be, that's wonderful.
But if you say, you don't do this, I'm going to do that to you, they'll try and cheat because they still have the same underlying flaws in how they operate.
But I think that's, I mean, legislation is a starting place.
And then it's education.
Well, you are more optimistic about the nature of humanity than I am.
I don't know that I am, but I think it's what I believe.
Perhaps I've been targeted by too many dark creatures and demonic entities.
I've lost faith in most people's ability to do something nice for others unless they are bribed into doing so.
Just doing so spontaneously seems to be so rare.
And you look at Wall Street, you look at Big Pharma, you look at what drives our system right now.
Celebrities and these famous actors selling toxic cosmetics to young girls who are wearing this toxic, cancer-causing makeup and they think they're hot.
Come on!
Yeah, really.
It's nonsense.
Those are the little things that are misleading that we have brainwashed people into believing.
See, our educational system has major flaws.
We're worried about making rocket scientists and doctors and presidents and things like that.
And what we should be doing is teaching people how to live by the golden rule.
And how to build community and how to respect one another.
And how to be loved.
Because in the bottom, what we all want to do is be loved and to love.
And we do things that are the most bizarre things to try and coerce people to give it to us.
I know so many people that got a ton of money.
And so what?
They come to see me and their kids are on drugs.
They've got All kinds of problems in their lives.
It's obvious that the success story of the American person is not having a lot of money and having a lot of power.
It's being a human being who's connected to other human beings and cares and will do what that person can to help someone else to be happy.
That's what makes you tick.
Well said.
Well said.
Where is your clinic located, by the way?
I'm in a little town out of San Francisco.
It's about 25 miles east of San Francisco.
It's called Walnut Creek.
I've been there for a good while.
Wow, okay.
So you must have a lot of people come from San Francisco.
People come from all over the place.
Yeah, especially with this new technology that we have with infrared light therapy that is Unbelievable.
I've been working with a guy for 20 years there who's a brilliant scientist.
He had five or six NASA contracts when the space shuttles were going on.
And he's sold his company.
He's got plenty of money.
And now he does all this stuff in his house.
He's got a big lab downstairs.
And we talk together all the time.
We've probably made 30 iterations of a machine that delivers light that's different from anything that's on the market.
And it does such an amazing job.
You may want to interview him sometime, too.
His name is Maurice Bales.
The amazing person that has created this stuff.
So I'm stoked about what I can give to people.
And you know, nobody reimburses for it.
So we charge $60 for 15-minute treatment.
Most people can afford that.
And if they can't, I charge them $10.
Right, right.
Well, okay, so let me ask you this question about boundaries as a physician.
So as you know, many, many people in our culture, most people are trained to believe that They don't have responsibility for their own health outcomes that they present themselves to a doctor and they say, doctor, fix me.
So my question to you is, how do you, do you require or suggest some active participation in health outcomes on the part of your patients?
Do you reject people who just abuse their bodies over and over again and expect you to fix them?
What's the medical ethics Well, see, the patient's the victim, is the problem.
Because we've set up a system that's not a healthcare system, it's a disease care system.
And it's built on making money.
We now spend 18% of the gross national product on healthcare.
That's trillions of dollars.
The most powerful medicine in the universe is lifestyle.
So it's what you eat.
It's exercising.
It's stress reduction.
It's getting enough sleep.
It's not being overweight.
It's not being exposed to toxic things.
And the whole world is scattered every place.
And most importantly, it's having that inner smile.
Where you feel good because you're connected in a community that cares about each other.
It's not just family stuff.
It's global stuff.
And it's actually universal stuff.
These are the kinds of things that I believe in.
And I encourage my patients to do that, but I meet them where they are.
If they're not ready for it and they want a drug, I'll prescribe a drug.
But I don't do it very often, and I certainly don't encourage the pharmacological way of going.
That's nonsense.
You don't just get people back on their feet and back to work.
You've got to do something about helping them evolve, because this spiritual path around us human beings is what it's about.
And things happen to us that are opportunities.
And I see COVID-19 as a brilliant opportunity.
Mother Nature, thank you for that happening.
Not that I want people to die, but so we can wake up to what's happening.
And people like you can bring up the things that you've brought up that are making a change and inspiring people to do better.
It is extraordinary, the silver lining that has come out of this biological weapon, which has killed a great many people.
But the silver lining, I've never seen a more rapid, even a spiritual shift, a mindset, an awakening among people.
I actually believe, I mean, I said in early March that I thought this virus would reconfigure human civilization.
Now, I think this is going to lead to a revolution.
It may lead to an evolution, even better.
Yeah, well, what I meant by revolution is this mass awakening and the tearing down of the false institutions that have kept us enslaved and misinformed.
And beyond that, then, decentralization of knowledge and healing.
You know, so many good things could come out of this crisis if humanity is ready for that.
Yeah, well, it hasn't been so far because our history dictates who we are.
And so now that we've done that, we have the opportunity to take a look at that.
And if that's okay with us, okay, keep doing it.
If you want to suffer some more, go for it.
The universe will let you do that.
But if you really want to make a change and you're inspired to do that, who's going to stop you?
Its inspiration is hard to stop.
And you and I are that way.
And that's why I so applaud your work, Mike.
This is wonderful stuff that you're doing.
It's waking up humanity.
Well, thank you, Dr.
Saputo.
I mean, I applaud your mindset and, you know, your deep compassion for fellow human beings.
And I share that compassion, even though sometimes I'm more expressing frustration.
Well, you've got to do that, too.
That's right.
Yeah, I mean, I want people to be healthy and healed and aware and awake and there's so much suffering that's needless.
We already have the answers to so many things.
Yeah.
Well, the sad part about this COVID-19 thing is I believe, I can't prove it, but I can believe, I do believe that we have the cure for it now.
I don't think anybody should die from it.
And the fact that we're allowing that to happen just really bugs me about the National Institutes of Health, the CDC, the FDA, the World Health Organization, and certain individuals that seem to be pushing the concepts of those organizations.
It's not right.
Well, absolutely it's not right.
How did we arrive at this point where we were essentially ruled by totally corrupt anti-science institutions that tried to wear the clothing of science as a costume?
While they pushed death and destruction.
How did we get to that?
Well, you know, it makes you wonder about how the universe works.
Is it about good and evil?
And I'm beginning to think that there's a part of that that is undeniable.
And maybe that's what the struggle is.
And how we move from being aggressive and independent and adversarial and being strong To people who are loving and caring and sharing is difficult.
It reminds me of a story of the Indian chief who's, you know, had his brave come to him and said, you know, I've been a warrior.
I've done great things for our village and I'm tired of that.
I don't want to be that way anymore.
I want to be a loving person and start to, I want to raise a family and do all the good things.
The chief sits back and says, well, it's like two wolves.
The one you feed is the one that will grow.
I'm sure you've heard that story.
I've heard that, yes.
Yes, indeed.
Well, then that means, I think when patients come to visit you, they think they're getting one level of medicine, which is whatever you're prescribing them to do, but they're actually getting a second level of medicine that they may not even be aware of, which is your spiritual teaching.
Yeah, well, it's an effort to inspire them and to awaken them so they can see some of the things that have happened.
It's why I wrote the book, which isn't even in print anymore, so don't even try to buy it, called A Return to Healing.
It talked about radical health care reform and the future of medicine and how you go about doing that.
And it's not an easy process because it's about education, legislation, and inspiration.
And that combination can make change over time.
The problem is things have gotten so far out of hand.
We've got so many disparities that we encourage or that is encouraged by the country.
We have to stop that.
And we have to start looking at how can we really help people to get what they need?
Why do we have the problems with religion and race and the disparities of the rich and the poor?
And why is there all this competition when we should try to be supporting each other?
And it's so different than that.
And now here we are in a situation where We may well be in another war that'll be a different kind of war, an economic war.
I mean, look at the devastation that we've had because of COVID-19.
And we just so willingly went along with it.
I just don't understand how we could so willingly go along with it.
And when Trump...
It said this can't be that way.
It should be like every other virus that we've had every other year for the past 50 years.
And then it turns out to be something different.
And then all the countries in the world go along with it.
Where is all the pressure coming from?
I think people at the highest level are being controlled by some other people.
That are threatening things that are probably horrible, and I don't know what they are, but what else could it be?
I mean, I stretched my mind.
Or they're being run by other entities, dare I say.
Well, you're getting out there pretty good now, but you have to consider that.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, exactly.
I mean, look at the inability to share information now because of the censorship, the extreme censorship of big tech.
I mean, it's to the point where if you, Dr.
Saputo, if you went out on, you know, Twitter and said, we should help people heal, you know, you'd probably be flagged for hate speech.
You know, it's as if, you know, vitamin C is an antioxidant.
Oh, fact check.
It's false.
It's a dangerous, you know.
That's right.
What?
Yeah, well, see, if we had this show on YouTube or Twitter or one of the other big shows like that, it'd be censored in about half an hour.
Yeah, of course it would be.
No, because you're not allowed to talk about healing.
Well, not talk about things that are true.
You can't talk about the truth if it doesn't fit the conspiracies that are unfolding.
So, I mean, doesn't that mean, getting back to who's controlling all this, you know, I'm convinced, at least the tech giants, It's not about fact checking.
It's about destroying human knowledge.
It's about destroying humanity.
So what kind of entity or controller or evil person would actively seek the destruction of human knowledge and the mass casualties of having people die unnecessarily?
That's not a human, you know, motivation.
Well, we have psychopaths.
Well, that's true.
We got our own psychopaths.
That's true.
I mean, obviously something out there is making life something other than fun and connecting and loving.
Because that's what we crave.
And if we just, if we were taught that when we were young, rather than to learn how to be number one at everything, you know, you got to be the best at this and the best at that, you know, do it at the expense of everybody else.
So you'll study harder and you'll have less fun in life.
And when you get done, you'll know a lot and you'll be unhappy.
I mean, that can happen, too.
And I'm not just trying to discourage knowledge and education.
I think that should be my inspiration, too.
I love the Waldorf schools.
Which lets you do what you want.
You study what you want.
Then you learn something.
I remember going through school and hating it.
It was like, God, when is recess going to come?
I've got things that I want to do that are different.
I even felt that way in medical school, in my residency.
It's like, gosh, all this stuff, the way we're doing it, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
And if I don't do it that way, I'm going to be out.
And I've spent all this time trying to get here.
Something's wrong with that picture.
I should be inspired to do stuff, not forced, not legislated to it.
Well, so how does humanity get to that point of, that tipping point, let's say, of a spontaneous change?
Because this system has been this way for over a hundred years.
Hundred years.
And they're in charge of everything.
The tech giants now answer to Big Pharma.
The media is funded by Big Pharma, largely.
You know, how does this ever change?
Well, first, it's by doing what you're doing, okay?
It's making people aware.
And if they see what's happening, I mean, the first response is, what are you kidding?
I can do this?
Well, yeah, you're the only one that can do it.
And if you don't think you're important, you've made a mistake.
Because every single person is important and contributes something.
It's like you're one grain of sand on the beaches of the cosmos.
You say, that can't be important.
But you know, the cosmos is whole.
And I'm a holistic thinker.
And if you're missing one grain of sand, it's not whole anymore.
And so you have to do your part to be whole.
And when that happens, things change.
Then you start feeling like you're an aspect of all that there is.
It's a spiritual concept.
My concept of spirituality is to be in touch with all that there is.
It's a beautiful, sacred space that when we're in, we're at peace.
If you've ever had a near-death experience, you know what I'm talking about.
And I have.
And the bliss that comes from that wonderful having to do nothing position.
I remember waking up from the coma and looking up at the sky and going, oh, this is so beautiful.
And it's wonderful.
And over the next 15 minutes, I started to remember all the things that had happened.
I'm going, oh, yeah, and I got this problem and that problem.
And of course, it disappears in a second.
So it's about being introduced to things like that, being educated by people like you and me, and then inspiring people to say, maybe I can do that.
Maybe I can find that space.
Maybe I do it in meditation.
Maybe I do it in prayer.
Maybe it's through religion, which is not for me, but for a lot of people.
For spirituality, man, I try to be in that space as much as I can, and I've perfected that so that I'm centered in that most of my waking hours.
And that's why we can have a conversation like this that's so connecting, so connecting.
Well, yeah, yeah.
Look, I didn't even know that you had a near-death experience before.
I guess we had never talked about that before.
May I ask, did you experience something in your consciousness during the coma, or was it just after you came out?
It's after I came out.
It wasn't like a lot of people describe, and I'm only calling it that.
Maybe it wasn't that, but it's what I think it was.
I've had a couple of those.
Well, I've had a few near-life experiences.
I like that a lot.
That's great.
There have been moments of awakening, but never a near-death experience.
Maybe all of us are now experiencing a near-life experience, because people are questioning everything now.
Well, that's good.
That's a start.
And then to have the compassion that goes with it, to be together as a whole human race, to feel the connectedness, the wholeness of humanity, and then to feel the wholeness of the globe and to feel the wholeness of the universe and to feel the wholeness that may be beyond that that we can't even anticipate because we don't have the senses for it.
That's an aspiration.
But it's being present and being curious and noticing what's happening and having a loving heart to receive it so that you can Feel good and can do good and to be connected to people and to live a life that's full of love.
That's the secret.
It's to having the inner smile that only comes from giving.
It doesn't come from taking.
I don't know how happy people are that have a hundred million dollars or a billion dollars, but I bet it's not much because that is not what's going to bring you peace of mind and happiness.
That's going to bring you.
The money owns you.
Well, the radiance of what you're saying is so evident and so it's refreshing.
I'm going to ask you, you should write a book called How to Find Love in a World Full of Evil or something like that.
I'm doing that.
Oh, you are?
Love is the answer.
I agree.
And yet, all the gatekeepers are just truly demonic.
How do we, I mean, do we try to love them and hope they love us back?
How does this work?
Good luck.
You'll have to get crushed.
That's the problem.
And it's not just about turning the other cheek.
You've got to be strong, too.
And you have to have a perspective.
You have to be a competitor as well as a lover.
And it's an interesting balance because you don't get it all.
The world is full of pluses and minuses and you have to balance them out.
And when you can do that, there's a journey that you're on that goes towards the mountaintop that we're all achieving to reach.
And no two paths are the same.
So it's about being respectful of other people's path and being compassionate with the suffering that's involved.
Those damn Buddhists were right.
It's about suffering.
But it's also about the pleasure that comes, the love that comes from having given what you've had to give to make humanity happier and better and to be on the right path.
And that's what the message of good medicine is about.
It's not about...
Fixing people with a bag of tools, fixing their set of symptoms with a bag of tools.
Any idiot can do that that goes to four years of medical school.
And then they can pump the drugs into you and do the technologies.
And yeah, you're going to make people better, but there's always this deeper aspect of what's going on in that person that's absolutely vital.
That is the real guts of what healing is about.
So, healing and curing are two different things, and they're both important.
When a patient comes to a doctor, it's like, look, doc, get me back on my feet and back to work, and let's not talk about this spiritual baloney.
I haven't got time for that.
I'll do that next week.
I'll go to church on Sunday.
Yeah, good luck.
They want you to be a mechanic, I see.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Well, and much of medicine now is just basically taking that bag of tools and making it smaller and smaller.
So, now we have nanotech tools.
Well, yes.
That's a scary thing, and we don't know what we're doing there.
We're upsetting some of the boundaries of nature.
We're talking about nanotechnology, and we're putting molecules where they've never been before because we want to get some of them in a certain place, which we can do, but it's like some giant trying to thread a piece of thread through the eye of a needle.
It's good luck.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I can't even grasp the arrogance of these people who think, oh, we can control protein synthesis and all the cells in your body.
We're just going to assume that we know better than God and better than your entire body and all your ancestors.
We know better.
We're going to override that now and nothing will go wrong.
There isn't one person on the planet that understands human metabolism.
Not one, anywhere close.
If we knew 1%, which would be a massive amount of information about how the body works, I would celebrate that.
The other 99%, you can forget it.
It's too complicated.
Anybody who just believes in Darwinism and thinks that we could evolve by being survival of the fittest doesn't have any clue about how sophisticated the whole system is.
It's magic.
And we don't understand hardly any of it.
But you know what?
We know about a lot of it.
And so it comes from trust and faith and being connected.
It's not just about digging in and figuring out the science.
Science is reductionistic.
I'm sorry, we're learning more and more about less and less, and we forget about we're looking at a forest when we look at a tree or a leaf.
And people are that way too.
We have to respect the complexity and realize that we're getting information through us.
When I'm in my sleep, in my dream world, the most unbelievable things come to me.
And I don't take credit for them because I didn't invent them.
Somebody, something, put them in my head.
And then I wake up in the morning and go, oh, I have a brilliant idea.
Really?
I have a brilliant idea?
It was a gift.
And then I try to see what that can do, being humble about how I apply it.
And it's not easy in this world where everybody looks at you if you're doing something different like we're doing with light therapy and says, oh, you're nuts.
You're a quack.
If you're using light therapy, you must be some kind of moron or you're trying to rip people off.
It's just unbelievably difficult.
So the balance...
Coupled with humility is a huge asset.
You know, I share that with you.
Over the years I've said that many of the ideas and even inventions and so on that came to me, I can't take credit for them.
I don't know where they came from.
Yeah.
They just pop in.
Well, look at the story of the 100th monkey.
I don't know if you know that story.
Yeah, sure I do.
Yeah.
Okay.
For people that don't know, a monkey learns how to use a hammer to do something on some isolated island.
And then two months later, monkeys on 100 different islands are doing it.
How'd that happen?
Where'd that information come?
Is it from Akashic Records?
I think so.
There has to be some resource out there that has this information so every thought that you have, every action you take, is recorded there.
And it's how the Akashic Records expand its wisdom of what's going on because it does that through us.
Then that information is passed out when it's time.
And we aren't in charge of that.
So we should be happy to just have been exposed to a thought, done something with it, and advance humanity's knowledge or the Akashic Records' knowledge by some small amount.
It's magic!
You know, you're absolutely right.
There is osmosis of knowledge and awareness that happens beyond anything that is material.
Sure.
And your brain is a receiver as well as an organizer.
And hey, maybe I'm monkey 98, you're monkey 99, and the 100th is just almost ready to hit that tipping point Maybe I'll make some t-shirts for us.
I am monkey number 98.
Yeah, I like it.
We're almost there.
We're both dreamers.
A little bit more.
John Lennon's song, Imagination, is just precious.
And I admit to being a dreamer.
I'm not Mr.
Practical where the rubber meets the road a lot of the time because I want things to change.
And I have a belief that we can change them and that they will change.
And so I say things sometimes that people go, Well, you really think that can change?
How are you going to stop the Illuminati from doing something?
And I go, I don't worry about the Illuminati.
I do what I do to make the world a little better place, and it will have an impact because every thought I have and every action I take is affecting every molecule in the universe.
It does that in some small way, and it's indispensable, and that's how progress is made.
It's one stepping stone after the next, and that's what we're involved with here.
Very wise words, very wise attitude about life.
I think we could all learn a lot from you.
We're about to wrap this up, Dr.
Saputo, but you intrigued me with this idea.
It should be obvious to any rational person even that, for example, human DNA does not contain enough information to describe a human body.
There are bacterial strains that have more genetic code than we do, by the way, and There's nothing in the gene sequence that says, you know, grow these five fingers, you know, or whatever, or four fingers and a thumb, or maybe six fingers.
Depends on what genes you get.
Depends on the day, yeah.
But the point is, the genetic code can't possibly describe the complex physiology that we are physically, not even to mention, you know, functionally.
It doesn't have anything to do with explaining spirit and our relationship to it.
I wrote a book called Science, Spirituality, and Medicine.
It's just a short little book.
I'll have to send you a copy if you'd like.
It talks about things like that.
If we're respectful of it and we live our lives that way, things are going to be a lot easier.
And more connecting.
And things will happen.
We get impatient with how change evolves.
And that impatience gets us into trouble.
We should stay the course.
Not like we did in the Middle East.
Don't stay that course.
Stay the course of goodness.
And stay that way.
And see what happens.
It will evolve in a way that's good.
Well said, Dr.
Saputo.
I really appreciate you joining us today.
Words of wisdom and real compassion for fellow human beings.
Give us your website once again, the location of your clinic again.
Yes, it's drsaputo.com.
And it's D-O-C-T-O-R, Saputo.com.
And we have something like 2,600 audios and videos on the site.
The site is a public service.
It doesn't cost a dime.
And if you want to watch our show called The Voice of Reason, I'm on the air every night, okay, for about 30 minutes or so, talking about what's new in the news.
Stuff like what you do.
So I feel like we're soulmates in a lot of ways, Mike.
Thanks for having me on the show.
And thank you for using Brighteon, which is gaining popularity.
And I just want to remind users that your channel on Brighteon is slash health medicine.
Yes.
So you probably grabbed that channel pretty early on to get that name.
I did.
Well, I got that name about 30 years ago.
Okay, okay.
I'm one of the founders of something called Health Medicine.
I'll have to tell you about that another time.
Okay, yeah, we'll talk about that in a future interview.
But thank you for your time today.
Bless you for who you are and what you're teaching, and it's a great honor to have you here on Brighton Conversations.
Thank you.
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