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April 22, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Paul Cottrell: This is only the FIRST WAVE of the coronavirus... prepare for more
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All right, welcome back everybody.
One week ago we had an interview with Dr.
Paul Cottrell and it was a very fascinating interview, very popular interview.
Dr.
Cottrell shared a lot of information about his personal nutritional strategy for preventing the spread of COVID-19 and the coronavirus.
And so we've invited him back and he joins us again today.
We're going to talk about the neurological implications of these infections, as well as perhaps get into some of the, what I might call pandemic denialism that is taking place out there.
Some people are still convinced that this isn't happening.
So we'll talk about that and also where this is going.
So welcome, Dr.
Paul Cottrell.
It's a real pleasure to have you back on here for Pandemic.News.
Thank you very much for having me.
I appreciate it.
Well, I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed our interview last week.
You have so many areas of knowledge we can talk about almost anything.
But let's start with where we are right now.
I know we've hit over a thousand deaths per day in the United States.
Which is 10 times the average daily death rate of the seasonal flu, if you average that out over a year.
So you could argue we're 10 times, you know, this is the third leading cause of death in America right now, is coronavirus, just under cancer and heart disease.
And it's going to become the number one cause of death.
So where do you think really we are now and where we're headed in the next two months?
Well, we're just starting to ramp up on that epidemiological spike or that curve.
We're in the first wave of this, and people don't realize that there's velocity and acceleration.
There's the first derivative and the second derivative of function.
That's a little mathy, but basically what it means is that as we're moving up that curve, it's going to be faster and faster and faster And then we're going to hit the peak and then start to come down.
Now, what's happening in New York is we're trying to build capacity to meet that peak.
We're trying to project out.
So Governor Cuomo has been doing pretty good in the sense of trying to build out that capacity.
You're talking about the hospitalization capacity.
Yeah, right.
In Central Park, we have tents.
I call it mashing.
They're putting mash tents out.
Right.
To be able to meet that peak.
What's also really interesting in his way of handling this is he's saying, and everyone really knows this, is that hospitals are like private corporations, right?
They're enclaves.
They compete with each other.
So he's forcing hospital networks within local areas to work together, but They work within regions and move resources around the state because people don't realize the peaks are in waves within the country.
That's right.
So it's not just a primary, secondary, and tertiary wave within one region.
There's primary waves that are temporal across the nation.
It's going to be like a wave moving through just for the first wave.
So there's a wave of a wave.
Just at the state level, realizing that you have to move the resources around in a big state like New York where it's needed because the hot zone right now is New York City, but it's going to be in Albany.
It's going to be in Rochester.
Or Buffalo.
And those resources, you know, need to be coordinated.
And I think other governors can learn from this concept of triage and moving resources around.
It's a good idea.
But people need to realize we are just starting that ramp up of that acceleration.
And those numbers that are going to be popping up on that Johns Hopkins database or other databases that people are looking at, they're going to be eye-opening.
The White House...
Excuse me.
The White House with Dr.
Birx is currently estimating that the United States will reach a peak around April 15th or 16th with somewhere around 2,200 deaths per day at the peak on that day.
And then after that, it will slowly start to decline.
We'll still have many deaths throughout the end of April and also in May, but by June and July, the number of infections and deaths should drop really approaching Zero.
But they do have a disclaimer to say that this depends on the continued social isolation, i.e.
lockdowns and quarantines.
So question to you, Dr.
Cottrell, do you essentially agree with those projections or would you modify them in any way?
Well, I have four different cases.
There's not time to go through all four cases and the assumptions.
He's mentioning kind of a best case scenario where hydroxychloroquine works with CPAC, That the social distancing works, the medical system doesn't break down in any way, and it'll start to die off.
Now, I suspect that we're going to still have a lot of cases that there's going to be kind of cross-infection.
So as New York comes back online, quote, back online, and get out of containment, Other areas are going to start getting locked down or sheltered in place, but there's going to be still individuals, because we talked about this, I think, on your show, where it's about the three sigma.
You only have to lock down for 40 days.
If you don't lock down for 40 days, you don't have three sigma.
If you lock down for only 14 days, that's one sigma of the population for infection.
So I think that in a lot of cases you're going to start seeing it die down in June.
It's going to start ramping back up in October.
This is one of the big concerns.
I'm really worried about this secondary wave that starts late October.
Okay, me too.
I have the exact same thought.
I've been calling it, what is the exit strategy?
Because once you end the lockdowns, I think you're absolutely right.
The population right now, we're nowhere near herd immunity.
We might have 1% of the population infected right now.
Maybe.
Maybe 2% at the most.
But it's a very low number.
Nowhere near herd immunity.
So...
If a mayor or a governor locks down some other region, people will flee to New York City, let's say, bringing the infections with them.
I think this is what you're describing.
And there's cross-contamination.
So what is...
How do we have an exit strategy where the lockdowns end?
Because we obviously...
We can't have the entire country imprisoned in their apartments.
You know, here is the real...
We missed the vote, honestly.
We should have shut down everything in...
Early February.
Everything.
In terms of what's coming in and out of the United States.
Ships, planes, and we shut that down for one month.
We missed that.
We missed the boat on that.
I understand they're trying to manage a crisis and not tank the economy.
But I work on the thesis that if we don't shut everything down, we're actually going to prolong this problem.
If we shut everything down for 40 days, that's better medicine than prolonging this for 16 months or 18 months.
Because that's a very real possibility when you're talking about this cross-contamination or cross-infection between regions of the United States.
And that's just assuming the current strain.
There's a high probability that the second wave has a mutation.
And those antibodies that individuals have may not work as well as we hope.
Because we're dealing with something that's not zoonotic.
People need to get this in their head because by having that in their head, they're going to start making decisions that are better to get past this, to get to a brighter side.
This is bioengineered and it is designed to kill.
Exactly.
I couldn't agree with you more.
So the whole philosophy of this is shut it down and hit it hard.
I mean, Steve Bannon phrases it so correctly.
You've got to smash the curve.
You've got to be aggressive and you've got to hit it hard and take no prisoners.
But what we're having is this managed decline.
Managed decline of the economy.
Managed decline of the virus.
This can't be managed.
It has to be hit hard like a war.
Right, right.
Well, I'm with you on this.
I'm an advocate of shut everything down for 40 days and 40 nights, and that gets you to three sigma, and you'll have a system that can build up capacity and take care of the cases and get a handle on this instead of having it destroy the economy for the next 12 months.
You would have to, though, control the border as well, not just the incoming flights, but also especially the border with Mexico.
And, you know, we're seeing many South American nations such as Ecuador now having huge explosions in the number of cases.
And I used to live in Ecuador, so I have seen their hospitals, and they are truly third-world hospitals.
It's a third-world medical infrastructure there.
They're not going to be able to contain that.
There's no question.
And the same thing is true with Peru, you know, and perhaps Bolivia and El Salvador and maybe Panama might do better.
But, you know, you get the idea.
By the time this is overrunning Mexico, you're going to have people trying to flee Mexico to get to the United States to get health care in a sanctuary city.
So you're going to have really importation of more infections unless you control the border.
And yet I don't think there's any political willingness, not to mention just the difficulty from a military perspective.
How do you man the entire border?
How do you build a wall in two months?
Whatever the proposals are.
I don't think there's a political willingness to protect the border.
So I don't think we can lock down America completely.
Well, there's going to be porosity in the nation.
That's for sure.
We can't lock everything down.
But in a perfect world, that's what we need.
But there's going to be ports of entry.
There's going to be porosity.
And that's going to be a problem.
And with this particular virus, just one person getting into a high-density area could spread this like wildfire.
And this is where I'm an advocate of border security, nationhood, and build the wall.
I was all about build the wall and promoting nationhood.
But this is starting to become a political battle.
We saw this with that stimulus bill that was passed.
There were things in there that were about climate, and they were about things that were totally unrelated to this virus to push this liberal agenda.
So it's sad because the reality of the situation is four blocks away, I'm going to talk a little morbid here.
Four blocks away is a morgue from my home.
Four blocks away.
And Manhattan blocks are small.
I mean, they're not like Texas blocks.
But in Manhattan, four blocks away is pretty small.
I mean, it's just a hop, skip, and a jump.
And at Presbyterian Hospital, there's a morgue in the middle of the street with a trailer.
So it doesn't get more real than that.
And, you know, and so it scares me that we don't take this more seriously and that we hit this and smash the curve instead of trying to just manage the curve, you know, just dampen the curve.
No, it's kill the curve.
Smash it.
Let's talk about that pandemic denialism, as I call it.
Now, you are seeing it firsthand with your own eyes.
And you and I both being, you know, I guess you could call us both pro-America, but people who are educated in the sciences and you being pre-med and me running a science lab and so on.
We both saw this early on and we both called for early lockdowns.
And yet many people in independent media to this day Still say that none of these deaths are real.
I had a phone call yesterday from someone who got my number from someone else who called me and tried to convince me that viruses don't exist.
I'm not even kidding.
I'm not even kidding.
Which, of course, we're purchasing Thermo Fisher PCR viral replication equipment right now to do food safety testing.
So I was trying to explain to him, hey, we can look for horse protein DNA in...
It's like talking to a blank wall.
And some people say that the hospitals are all faking the deaths and there are all these videos running around of people visiting hospitals that haven't yet been hit by the wave that say, oh, these hospitals are empty.
Nobody's here.
Nobody's getting sick.
Well, yeah, because they're making space for the wave that's coming.
But how do you explain the denialism that we're seeing, especially among what you might call pro-Trump independent media?
This is a very, very good question.
I think part of it's fear.
It's cognitive dissonance.
They are worried, I think, deep down inside, that if it is true, that these dire predictions will affect them personally, either financially or through their health or their family or their particular career or whatever.
There are also opportunists.
They'll say things that are so outlandish that they'll get a crowd To get more subscribers and to get more ad revenue, there's a financial reason to make things outlandish.
I call it the Howard Stern effect.
Just to interrupt, but they would say that you and I were the outlandish ones for projecting possibly millions.
Exactly.
These types of people are what I'll call pseudoscientists.
A lot of them don't have a science education.
The far majority do not.
So with that, they're not using the scientific method and recycling hypotheses to build on to new knowledge.
They don't use that.
So they're pseudoscientists.
They take bits and pieces and make a story that's really not real.
These are also the types of people that don't believe that atoms exist.
Because they can't see it.
I mean, think about the logic they're saying.
Because I can't see it means it doesn't exist.
That's their logic.
So with that in mind, they don't believe in atoms.
So, you know, so we're, you know, and then there are also the flat earthers, and, you know, this thing just goes, you know, bonkers.
That's true.
They tried to get me to debate them not long ago.
I'm like, no, there's nothing to debate.
What are you talking about?
I mean, just think about just the centroid and center of gravity, you know, center of mass, and just the centroid of things and the center of The center of gravity and flat earth theory dies.
Right, because we live in a three-dimensional space.
Yeah, I mean, it's just crazy.
A lot of these flat earthers never took calculus.
I mean, you're dealing with people that don't know math.
Right, right.
So now we're dealing with people that have a very little understanding of biology.
And that's a problem.
Now...
I am noticing, just kind of recently, that the baseline in the United States for scientific education is really low.
Yes.
I was shocked that it takes so much effort to explain the things that we're talking about at such a rudimentary level.
I'm like, what is a bacterium?
What is a virus?
What's a prokaryote?
It's like, so...
That was a rude awakening for me.
I had a friend who was saying, do you ever feel like you're Semmelweis trying to explain the germ theory for the first time to everybody in society?
Yeah, that's how I've been feeling for a long time here.
Yeah, exactly.
And then you do the mass spec stuff, and they're just going to say that stuff doesn't exist, yet you have data that proves it does.
It's just crazy.
But specifically to New York, these individuals are walking around videotaping areas that they are saying don't have any activity.
Now, some of that is because they're building out capacity.
So what they're doing is they're filming areas where there's empty tents.
Well, they don't tell you, though, that Governor Cuomo said those tents aren't going to be, they're not taking any patients until later in the week.
So they're building the capacity to, we believe that we're going to have a lot of deaths per day in New York and a lot of confirmed cases that need hospitalization per day in New York.
In two weeks, in the next two weeks, yeah.
That's thousands and thousands of cases, all right?
And so they're trying to procure space in Central Park.
They're putting tents up, and they'll start triaging in there.
And then, if that gets overfilled, Mayor de Blasio of New York City stated that he's going to start using some sort of executive order where they're going to start using the hotels, the hotel space.
Yeah, they're empty anyway.
Yeah.
So, you know, this is really serious.
But just because you go to a place that has a tent and there's no one there...
That's because they're building out the capacity because they're skating.
I'm from Detroit, so we skate to the puck.
We skate where the puck's going to be, not where the puck is.
So everyone's thinking everyone's skating to where the puck is right now.
No.
You've got to skate to where the puck will be.
And that's what those tents are.
Those tents are projecting out that peak need.
Because it's better to do that and be wrong Then to not do it, and you get this huge surge, and you can't take care of anyone.
So they're going to these places that aren't even operational yet.
But they have gone to some hospitals.
Here's another thing.
They go to the hospital, and this one guy had a camera.
He walks into the front desk.
And the lobby is roped off, so no one can sit in the lobby.
Because if you sit in the lobby, you're going to be contagious.
So they have police officers there, and you have to sign in before they start processing you.
So he's taking a picture of the waiting room and saying there's nobody here, so therefore no one's sick.
Well, no.
They're preventing people from sitting down so they don't spread the disease.
Right, they're having to wait somewhere else.
So they're either too dumb to understand the environment that they're observing to explain why it's happening, or they have an agenda to just say, see, it's empty, therefore the virus doesn't exist, and this is a big conspiracy.
Now, to their credit, there could still be an erosion of our civil liberties because of this incident.
Yes.
I don't deny that.
The problem is they don't accept that this virus is real and it's really killing people.
And there's the problem.
Because if people listen and say it's something to not worry about, it's just the flu or it doesn't exist or whatever, people may not take the precautions.
They do get sick.
They spread it to someone that is immune compromised or has some other comorbidity and they die.
I've made this exact same point, is that the denialism breeds complacency, which makes the crisis worse, which brings down more draconian lockdowns.
So the best way to restore your civil liberties and freedoms is to beat the virus by wearing a mask, you know, Washing your hands, taking zinc, doing all these things, and exercising social distancing so we can beat this, and then we can peel away the lockdowns as soon as possible, even though, of course, we're talking about this exit strategy.
But there's another group of people who, on principle, I oppose vaccine mandates.
I don't think the government should ever be allowed to force you to be injected with a substance that may be dangerous without your informed consent.
I'm not going to name any names, but there are prominent, I guess what you might call anti-vaccine individuals or groups that are saying this is fake because they don't want a vaccine mandate to come down.
And I think that is a very horribly wrongheaded strategy because it is real.
And then on the day that they try to fight the vaccine mandate, the media is just going to say, well, you people denied the existence of the whole disease in the first place.
Why should we listen to you?
So I think they're destroying their own credibility with that argument.
You're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right.
You know, their argument.
See, I'm not pro-vax or anti-vax.
I'm in the middle.
I want safe vaccines.
I'm right with you.
Yeah.
I don't want to be forced vaxed.
I want to be under my consent.
But, you know, preparing for medical school, I'm force faxed.
You know, I had to take booster shots and all this stuff, you know, to prepare for medical school.
And I understand why I'm in an environment that has a lot of disease and that, you know, there's a lot of cases where you just, the average person that's working in an hospital pokes themselves, you know, once every other year.
You know?
So it causes a problem.
So that's part of the reason why you have to be forced back.
But the thing is, is that there needs to be a huge discussion on the safety of these vaccines and the scheduling for children.
This advanced scheduling that they have?
Yes.
Because I don't remember...
You and I, you know...
When we were in elementary school, I didn't know anyone on the spectrum.
No one.
No one.
And now...
It's easy to ask a child, someone that's in elementary school, at least two or three children that are in their class are on the spectrum.
Something happened in about 1986, and it so happens to be that the scheduling was advanced for taking these vaccines.
So there's something there that people need to really talk about.
They discredit themselves, absolutely, which really hurts the entire movement to say that vaccines should not be mandated.
We believe in informed consent.
And most people getting vaccinated today don't have any information.
They're not even handed an insert sheet.
They're not even allowed to read what's on the sheet because if you read the insert sheets, you'd be horrified because it lists all the side effects that it lists and so on.
And I agree with you.
Why can't we have single-dose safe vaccines without preservatives and without the neuroinflammatory squalene and other ingredients that are given too early to children, also clustered too closely together?
You have to give the child's immune system a chance to respond.
And you need to have an immune system that's more fully developed before you hit it with this.
A lot of people don't realize that they put a lot of junk in that vaccine for two reasons.
One is to stimulate the immune system to create the antibody.
The other is that they're a preservative so it can be on a shelf.
That's right.
So we need to really look at making vaccines that are a little bit more just in time so we can reduce the amount of preservatives in them.
So they don't have that shelf life, but they're, quote, fresher.
And another thing that worries me about this new platform, there's many different types of vaccines.
There's attenuated vaccines.
There are inactivated.
There's conjugated ones.
Well, they have this new platform called messenger RNA vaccine.
Well, that scares me.
And the reason why it scares me is they could put stuff in it that That can integrate into your genome.
If they put a reverse transcriptase in that messenger RNA vaccine, they're messing around.
They can technically insert stuff into your genome.
Yeah, they can rewrite your genetic codes.
That messenger RNA platform that Fauci is really promoting for this particular virus, this SARS-CoV-2 virus, I'm a little worried about because this opens up the door for forced vaccinations and a potentiality of them messing around with your genome unless you have a third party that can get random lots that can be tested to prove what's in those vaccines.
I don't trust the vaccine makers for multiple reasons and we need more citizen Observance of watching over these manufacturers to make sure that the product is safe.
Okay, I agree with you.
However, there's no question that before this coronavirus vaccine is rolled out, perhaps sometime next calendar year, Congress will pass an exemption for the manufacturers.
Now, they don't currently have an exemption because that vaccine won't be on the childhood immunization schedule, which grants blanket exemptions.
Oh, I didn't know that the exemption was only for child immunization.
I thought it was all immunizations.
No, it's actually, this is why so many vaccine makers have been scrambling to add their vaccines to the childhood schedule, because that's where they get the immunity.
So, in other words, children have become dumping grounds for every vaccine so that the manufacturers can achieve legal immunity from the side effects, which is insane.
It's absolutely insane.
The policy is horrific.
But the coronavirus vaccine will no doubt be granted legal immunity, or the manufacturers will, which means that there's really no financial incentive for quality control.
And it's very easy, I'll have a question for you here in a second, but it's very easy then for the media to report that people who die from the coronavirus vaccine actually died from the coronavirus, and therefore we need more vaccines.
And we've seen this with other vaccines, such as polio.
When polio vaccines go bad, the people are said to have died from polio, not a bad lot of the vaccine.
So I'm concerned that, number one, this vaccine is going to be experimental, not safe.
There's going to be legal immunity for the manufacturers, and when people die from the vaccine, it's going to be blamed on the epidemic itself and used to demand more vaccines.
There is this false security of this messenger RNA platform, even if it does create immunization properly for this particular virus.
That doesn't mean that it will hold because of these multiple receptors that we talked about.
There's four receptors this thing attacks.
And, you know, this pinballing theory that I have where it'll lose affinity for ACE2 and it'll gain affinity for, let's say, CD299. Well, for it to gain affinity, that spike protein has to morph.
If it morphs enough, most likely the antibodies that were produced from the vaccine would not work.
Right.
It might, but it may not.
So what will happen, like you're saying, is that you'll get the vaccine, it's not working, and there's this positive feedback loop where they'll keep on pumping the society with more and more of those vaccines, and it gets worse and worse and worse, and they're just saying, well, the virus is just getting more and more very much.
And during all of this, Bill Gates will roll out his tracking system.
You'll have a Bluetooth chip or something or a tracking barcode or whatever, and you won't be allowed to participate in society unless you take the mandated vaccine.
You won't be allowed on public transportation.
You may not be allowed to be a doctor in your case.
You may not be allowed to enter a hospital or enter a football stadium or enter a restaurant.
You could be arrested on the street walking down a sidewalk For not being vaccinated.
That's where this is going.
Those are the concerns of many so-called anti-vaxxers.
Those concerns are, I think, very legitimate because I see this aggressive push for vaccine mandates and vaccination or immunization tracking, police state surveillance.
That seems to be on the way.
What do you think is coming?
This is what I mentioned early on when I was investigating this back in late January.
I said, Just like what happened after 9-11 with the Patriot Act, and it rolled in a whole slew of laws that eroded our civil liberties and created a surveillance state, this event is like a slow-burn, slow-mo all across the United States that's like 9-11.
It's going to usher in what I call the Bio-Patriot Act.
And they're going to create a lot of different laws.
There's going to be that decashing because they're going to say cash spreads the disease, but that locks you into a central banking system.
They're going to say you have to be forced faxed.
It'll lead to that social scoring.
So the social scoring is that incentive to say if you don't get faxed and you don't say the proper things, like the government is good all the time, then you're not going to be able to get that job that you want.
Because the job will do not just a background check, but they'll check your...
For some finance jobs, they actually look at your credit score.
And they check your social media posts.
Yeah.
So they're going to say, well, what's your social score now?
If it's below a certain level, you're not going to get that job.
I mean, it erodes our First Amendment rights.
Absolutely.
And you won't be given any credit for taking zinc and having a healthy immune system and eating well and not living on junk food.
I mean, the real way to stop this, in my opinion, is to get America healthier.
Get nutrition and get people off these highly inflammatory foods and junk food diets.
And instead of masking everybody's high blood pressure with prescription medications, which is the lazy way to do it, Why don't doctors teach patients?
I know this takes time and a lot of patients don't want to participate in their own health, but shouldn't we at least attempt to teach people how to not need the medications?
Why aren't we doing that?
There are people out that are trying to do it.
You're doing it.
I'm trying to do it.
There's lots of individuals that are saying, hey, you can have a well-balanced diet.
With proper supplementation and you can reduce your probability of getting diseases.
You can actually slow down the aging process if you do it right.
People are starting to wake up to that.
A big thing is reduce the inflammation and get proper gut health.
Those two things are really, really important.
But, you know, people are waking up.
You know, there's a lot of communities out there that, you know, that are, you know, talking about this homeopathic or a nutraceutical kind of, you know, lifestyle.
There's not enough, though.
There's not enough.
I mean, like, for example, my brother who passed away at age 36 from heart disease.
You know, he was an accountant, worked a lot of hours, wasn't married, you know, It was more convenient to do the fast food thing every day than to have a proper diet.
Because of the other risk factors, it accelerated his heart disease.
A lot of people in America fall in this category.
The obesity rates for children are...
Off the charts.
Oh yeah, and look at the case fatality rates of COVID-19 in New Orleans, which is known for rampant obesity.
Those numbers are more like Italy's numbers compared to New York City, which is much lower.
New York City has a far lower obesity rate compared to Louisiana and Texas.
Houston is the fattest city in America.
Wait till this explodes all across Houston.
And I see these people too.
They're lining up at Golden Corral Buffet Just stuffing their faces with the most insane stuff imaginable.
I see it with my own eyes.
I'm just astonished.
It's sad.
I mean, I've been trying to say that, hey, this disease is very real in that if you have obesity, heart disease, kidney dysfunction, liver dysfunction, you have a big chance of dying from this.
And that's about a half of America.
And that's why my predictions seem so dire.
But the reality is that I'm trying to show a mirror to the American public.
It's like part of the problem is the lifestyles that we are currently engaged in.
That's right.
And we can change that.
If you wake up in the morning, you can decide, you know what, I'm going to change the way my life is.
And some people have.
Some people have.
Some people haven't.
Well, I'm one of those people.
I've never mentioned this to you, but I used to be borderline type 2 diabetic and high cholesterol and chronic pain.
And 20 years ago, when I was in my early 30s, I mean, I'm over 50 now, I turned to nutrition and drinking turmeric and avocados and flax seeds and all this stuff.
I've been doing that every day consistently for 20 years.
And today, people in society, they can't believe my age.
Because most people who are my same chronological age, I was born, you know, in the late 60s, most people look 20 years older and they're suffering from chronic disease.
And they're like, how do you stay healthy?
Do you take pharmaceuticals?
Do you get all your flu shots?
No, none of that stuff.
None of that.
I don't take any drugs.
Never.
Right.
Right.
I mean, it's like, you know, I hear you.
I mean, for me, it was I saw a lot of early deaths when I was young.
Because of the heart disease problem on my mother's side of the family.
So that kind of scared me to be healthy at age 16.
So I was lucky that I adopted this kind of lifestyle early on.
And I'm 47.
A lot of people don't think I'm 47.
There's no way you're 47, but I am.
But I attribute it to this antioxidant It's a protocol that I've tweaked over the years because new things come out.
It's also mental, too.
It's not just taking something.
You have to have the right mindset.
Positive thinking helps a lot, too.
A lot of people have negative thoughts because they have a lot of negative thoughts.
It lowers the immune system.
They get sick.
Think about it.
If you get sick just with the common cold, You've lost about three or four weeks of that year recovering.
That eats away at your cells.
You have this inflammation that is built up.
It takes time to recover from it.
You age every time you have that big dose of inflammation.
That's absolutely true.
Yes, that's right.
And if your body can't handle the regular seasonal flu without becoming strongly symptomatic, then how are you going to handle something more aggressive like the coronavirus?
I would imagine that you and I both have plenty of antibodies for all kinds of influenza strains that have passed through the population, but we never became symptomatic.
It just passed right through us, never replicated to the point of becoming symptomatic.
And that's the way a healthy immune system should respond.
But you see how many people in society every winter, right?
They're out sick for three weeks.
I see it even in my own company.
I see people that are sick every year.
I made the correlation that a lot of these individuals, it's what they eat, that's a big one, but also not drinking filtered water.
These individuals that have that drink in the fluoride, they get sick quicker.
And, you know, Dr.
Group has the theory of, you know, you have to cleanse the thyroid, make sure you have the iodine instead of the fluoride because they're both, you know, they're on the same column in the periodic table.
So there's, you know, both halogens.
And, you know, the body will take up fluoride if it doesn't have iodine.
And iodine will create the T3 and the T4 homework.
That hormone is needed for many different processes in the body.
When you're drinking that junk water that's coming out of the tap, it's making us literally sick.
There's a high correlation between people that drink fluoride water and ailments.
No kidding.
There are other things in there as well.
Chloramines and rocket fuel is in the water supply.
One time, just for fun, I took a sample that a customer or a reader had mailed me from a VA hospital on the East Coast.
They sent me a vial of water, and I ran it through our time-of-flight mass spec, which is able to look at the mass-to-charge ratios and some ion fragmentation and take some pretty good guesses at which chemicals are found in it.
That system identified with over 80% matching probability more than, I think, 250 chemicals at trace levels that were in VA hospital water.
And I wrote the VA hospital and said, are you aware that all these chemicals are in your water?
And the reply was, well, it conforms to state health agency requirements, so we're fine.
Okay.
That's the problem.
When there is a problem, the agency will just up the threshold level.
There's no problem.
It really is sad.
I have a theory, though.
In New York, you're starting to see a lack of testosterone.
A lack of manliness.
Let's just call it.
I'm wondering if in the water, not only is it the fluoride treatment causing an endocrine disruption and properly allowing for testosterone to be produced, but I'm willing to bet that because we have 8.6 million people in New York, half of them are female, a certain percentage of them are on birth control.
I'm willing to bet that estrogen hormones Are not being filtered out of the water.
Oh, you're correct about that.
They're not.
And we're drinking estrogen and it's lowering the testosterone levels of males.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, every city is an estrogen hub, a contamination hub.
You're absolutely right, and in fact, estrogen, get this, you know, the whole phenomenon of biosludge, so you take all the sewage from every city, and it's collected, and it's basically dehydrated, and it's trucked out of the cities, especially New York City exports a tremendous amount of human feces, and it's dumped on farm fields.
All around the country.
I did a whole documentary on this called Biosludged.
And I learned through this that the number one marker is not birth control pills, but if you test soils in farms around the cities, and if you find markers of Benadryl, Benadryl, the over-the-counter medication, that means it's biosludged, because Benadryl survives that entire process and ends up on the farm fields.
And, by the way, Feminine hygiene products also and condoms.
Whatever gets flushed down the toilet ends up on farm fields In the orchards in Washington State and Oregon and California, the human waste, and we know feces can carry coronavirus now, that's been shown, this is being dumped on the farms.
And it just seems insane that we would treat our food supply with so-called fertilizer.
You know, it's trucked out of there and it's called fertilizer, and the farmers take it for free because, oh, it's nitrogen.
Yeah, there's nitrogen in there, sure, and a bunch of other stuff.
But that's real.
It's sad.
I mean, we're slowly creating this toxic dump around us.
I mean, it's sad.
It really is sad.
You know, that we're not in sync with nature.
It's almost as if, even knowing that this virus is bioengineered, there is kind of a Mother Nature is Angry concept.
Mother Nature is coming back and saying, hey, you haven't been living in tune with nature.
Being closer to the land.
I miss the days in Michigan of growing food.
The idea of watching something grow that I planted.
I haven't done that in over a decade.
When you see those seasons throughout the year, and you do it year after year, and you can the food, it becomes a tradition.
That's part of the human condition.
When you move away from that, it leads to these movements that we would call transhumanism.
You become more technological, less biological.
You start depending on technology.
You start depending on systems to provide you things, and you become less human.
We become less human beings, but it's sad.
It's very, very sad.
We're witnessing the collapse of human society as it is currently structured, and I want to ask you about some financial implications.
But first, remember that even in our lifetimes, the ocean ecosystems have collapsed.
You know, the oceans are becoming dead zones full of microplastics pollution, Full of agricultural runoff that create microalgae blooms, that deprive fish of oxygen, and have mass die-offs.
I mean, human beings are killing the planet.
There's no question about that.
And we don't even have to, you know...
I think that the whole climate change narrative is way overblown because carbon dioxide is not a poison, but we don't even have to talk about climate change.
Just the pollution, just pollution alone is killing the world.
And how can we escape those implications?
Of course it's going to come back on us.
Of course it will.
We are not dissociated from our world.
And if you think you are, you know, look what happens when the food runs out, you know?
Right.
You know, because I'm not a pseudoscientist, unlike, you know, the ones that are trying to debunk that the virus exists or doesn't exist.
You know, I put my engineering hat on, my automotive engineering hat.
And that is, yes, there is a lot of pollution that's been accumulating.
Over many, many decades.
And I'm very worried about, actually, this microplastic pollution in the ocean.
Even the big plastics that are one size of a continent now in the Pacific Ocean.
But my engineering hat, if I put that on, we can engineer our way out of it.
There's a problem.
We can solve it.
For example, there are ways...
Let's say the water issue with California.
It's very easy from a scientific perspective and an engineering perspective to desalinate the water.
Everyone in California could have water.
Israel has done it.
That's a lot of energy.
Yeah.
But the thing is that if there is a problem, either...
A lack of water or there is pollution.
There is an engineering solution where we can get back to nature.
So I think the main point that I'm making is that it's not hopeless.
See, a lot of these people, they go, well, it's hopeless.
We've created all these problems and therefore we need to create a tax to prevent industry to continue forward.
No.
What we need to do is create solutions that can...
Get those plastics out.
I can see businesses where they're actually mining that plastic and using it again and recycling it.
It would have to be strongly subsidized, though, just economically speaking.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I haven't really thought too far into the actual business model.
But, I mean, there's a resource there that's starting to accumulate that can be literally mined.
I'm a firm believer that the clever ones, the engineers, the scientists, whatever problems that we create, we can find solutions.
Sometimes we create new problems from those solutions, but I'm an optimist that the world isn't ending.
We can find solutions to solve problems.
So I believe that cheap oil is one of the primary causes of cheap plastics coming from petroleum as well as cheap food.
In other words, food that is created through cheap energy, not just the tractors but also the Some of the fertilizers and so on and the road miles on food and so on.
So when oil is cheap, people don't really value the things in society and they don't think as strongly in terms of ecological sustainability.
And right now, because of this economic collapse, oil has plunged to almost zero dollars per barrel at the crude level.
I mean, it's like ten dollars something now.
It's approaching zero, which is unimaginable, almost like the oil companies would pay people to take it away now.
Cheap oil is going to make all these problems, I think, worse from an economic standpoint, whereas more expensive oil would at least actually make more of the sustainable approaches more economically competitive, is one way to look at this.
But we don't want oil to be crazy expensive because then the economy can't function.
Yeah, there's actually quite a few researchers that have written papers on what you're saying.
One leading researcher, his name is Dr.
Hagans, and he comes from the sustainability camp.
Here's the problem.
We need to somehow have a mechanism where the cost of the commodity, let's say oil here in this case, It's factored into the negative externalities.
Yes.
And that price goes up, so people start to value those negative externalities, and then maybe it changes behavior.
Well, right, such as reclaiming plastic.
The problem is how do you institute that negative externality in the price of the commodity?
This is the scary problem.
This is a scary thought, though.
This leads into a Tobin-type tax or leads into a one-world government telling producers or telling governments that they have to add taxes onto certain manufactured goods.
So then we start to lose nationhood and self-determination.
So you're pitted against this sovereignty issue and trying to really price in the negative externality of that good or service.
Well, right.
This is what carbon taxes were all about.
And as we saw, the money from carbon taxes did not go to save the planet.
The money just goes to line the pockets of the bureaucrats and the corrupt politicians.
So the whole thing becomes government waste and fraud, just a gimmick, rather than, as you say, if we all paid an extra dollar a gallon, At the gas station, if that dollar really went to, let's say, reclaiming plastic out of the oceans, then maybe it could cancel out some of the externalities that are caused by the consumption of energy.
But yeah, you're exactly right in what you're saying.
I don't know that we have solutions for this right now, except that long-term oil will get a lot more expensive, but right now, it's practically free.
Yeah, it's going to go down.
I think it's trading around the $22 barrel.
I'm not sure right now.
There's been a news announcement where Russia and Saudi Arabia decided to cut about 10 billion barrels of oil.
That did spike the price.
That'll raise the price.
But you're right.
We're nowhere near that $100 or $120 barrel several years ago.
Coming from Detroit, there was a high correlation.
Whenever the barrel of oil was really high, Car sales would go down.
Whenever the barrel of oil was low, car sales would go up.
We can see that we're moving away from combustion engines, at least for passenger vehicles, and moving towards more of the Tesla-type powertrain systems.
That makes a lot of sense to me, especially if Those batteries are charged from solar panels from your home.
So you're not reliant on the power grid system of the city.
I believe in self-reliance.
I love the idea of solar power on your home and charging your car and theoretically never having to fill up A tank of gas.
You still need oil because you'll have parts that need to have lubrication, but the majority of the oil that we need, the far majority, is for gasoline.
Yeah, clearly.
But I've looked at the electric car issue quite in a lot of detail.
In fact, my wife used to own a Prius, so I've driven around in a Prius.
And a couple of things.
Also, we've run solar installations on many of our commercial buildings, and we do rainwater collection as well.
And two things.
Number one, you know, the manufacture of the battery storage systems requires a lot of rare earth minerals that are currently dominated by China.
Now, Trump has gone to great lengths to try to extricate the United States from that single source reliance.
But even right now, about 80% of the rare earths come out of China with really dirty mines.
I mean, pollution galore and human rights abuses in the workers there.
So that's not clean energy until we fix the problem of how do we build batteries without human beings suffering in open pits in China.
Let me give you an example of putting the engineering hat on and trying to solve a serious problem.
So people that may not realize that the A solar cell needs to have these special catalysts, metal catalysts, to allow for ion transfer to take place.
So they're rear-earth metals, okay?
And there's a whole slew of problems with that, geopolitically and even in terms of toxicity.
But we have a lot of silicon and we have a lot of carbon, right?
And I believe the answer is in nanotechnologies to utilize the electronics of that, where it would allow to produce a new type of material, like a nanomaterial, that would supplant these rear-earth metals as catalysts to use them in these cells.
I'm actually pretty optimistic.
This is a little far off, but I'm optimistic that those types of technologies will supplant those rare earth catalysts.
Perfect place, again, being a car guy from Detroit, those Formula E cars are getting pretty cool.
The Formula 1 cars had the combustion engines, but the Formula E powertrain...
They're learning a lot from that.
Now, it's still using these rear-earth metals that you're talking about, the lithiums and stuff, but I see something like that, a motorsport, utilizing electronic powertrain systems to experiment with these nanotechnologies.
It's fun.
You see cars going fast around a track.
I'm pretty optimistic about that because we have a lot of materials and a lot of smart people that are working in this nanotechnology world.
I agree with you.
I've even seen some interesting research on hybrid photosynthesis photovoltaic systems that actually use technology taken from plants combined to produce current in green slurry photovoltaic cells.
There is a lot of interesting stuff.
I agree with you.
I think they're going to solve this problem in the next We're almost out of time, and I wanted to ask you about what you think about the bailouts.
All this bailout money, trillions of dollars in bailouts, a little bit going to workers, small checks, but trillions going to certain corporations and so on.
But all this money creation, lots and lots of money creation.
The markets have, in many ways, ceased functioning as free markets, rational markets, because now the government's just buying everything.
Buying the bonds, buying the debt, buying even U.S. debt, monetizing the debt.
What's your take on all this in...
Less than five minutes.
I know it's a big topic, but kind of summarize it.
Maybe we'll get into it more next time.
I could easily talk for two hours just on that topic.
I know.
Here's the problem.
There is a socialization of markets now.
Basically, the Federal Reserve, the government, is coming in and buying stuff.
There was even talk about the Treasury.
I believe Trump said this.
The Treasury Department to buy airliner stock to backstop it.
So this is socialization of markets, which is not capitalism.
I'm against it.
But there are things that you have to do in crises, rare, but in crises where you have to try to preserve your economy.
Keynes.
So there was this big debate in economics between Keynes and Hayek.
Hayek was from the Austrian school, which was more, don't intervene, let it burn through As an economic crisis happens, and it'll heal quicker.
Keynes thought, no, you need to have central bank intervention on rare cases.
That was the key, on rare cases.
So the Keynesians, Keynes was not a Keynesian.
Keynesian, Keynes was rare cases.
Keynesians think everything, every crisis, you know, you have to intervene.
And that led us down to the road that we're in now with fragile banks that need a constant bailout all the time.
And we need to really restructure our banking system.
These top five banks in the United States, we need a trust bust.
And what will happen is you'll have more banks that are smaller but will have a less fragile system.
And if one bank is starting to fail because they're smaller, the others will succeed.
But what we have is these mega banks that they're too big to fail and you have to bail them out or they'll destroy the economy.
So one way to fix it is break the banks.
Prevent them from trading in the markets.
They're heavy traders in the markets.
They make these huge swings, these huge swing movements.
In terms of fiscal, they give money to the ones that have the most lobbying power.
Believe me, those industries are putting a lot of effort on K Street to make sure that they get a piece of the action Unfortunately, our citizens aren't engaged saying enough is enough and help us and stop helping the banks out and helping these other private industries.
But in crises, you do have to do something to try to backstop it or you'll lose the industry because that's what happened in the automotive industry where we almost lost the automotive industry after Lehman in Detroit.
But how much bailout money can actually be invoked without crashing everything?
I mean, do we reach a point where too big to fail becomes too big to bail, where the bailout becomes pointless because the dollar becomes worthless?
I mean, yeah, the Fed can print unlimited amounts of currency, but they don't have unlimited value.
If my dire prediction happens, and again, it is worst case, and people need to understand that, Where 50% of the population is infected with COVID-19, and just under 7 million people die from it over a 20-month period, and you have 50% unemployment or higher, you're talking about a complete reset of our economy.
And honestly, I don't know what that means.
It may not be capitalism.
This goes into a big topic.
Maybe next week we can talk about this.
We need to protect capitalism and our constitution and not move towards a socialism that will lead to totalitarianism.
I am scared, very scared.
I'm more scared of the socialism aspects of COVID-19.
And the wrecking of our economy than dying from COVID-19.
Well, the way I put it is, you know, this big bailout, so they paid the average American worker $1,200 and a few weeks of checks for $600 per week or something like that.
For that price, they kept people from rioting while the Fed has bought up almost half of the economy.
I mean, they bought up the corporations, they bought up the debt, they bought up, you know, the dollar, they bought up everything.
So the people were lulled into a sense of just, you know, sleepwalking now.
Stay in your homes.
Here, here's money to stay silent.
Keep watching TV. While socialists, you know, globalists took over the economy.
It has happened.
Yeah, exactly.
We are seeing this socialization over our economy.
We are losing capitalism.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yes.
And think how cheaply they bought it.
They just had to have, what, $350 billion for the people.
And that's nothing.
They created that by altering a record in a database.
They bought everybody off.
That's right.
And the people don't know.
There's a transfer of ownership to the state.
Now the question is, can we reverse the process?
Or it gets so bad that We're past the Rubicon and we're in totally a new type of economic system.
And then you add in AI. AI is coming.
And we won't need as many workers.
And people don't realize this.
What does that mean?
What does it mean that you decouple the workforce with capital?
The labor force with capital.
And what kind of social systems do you get out of that?
All right, Dr.
Cottrell.
The post-human apocalyptic conversation will have to wait until next week.
Okay.
The collision of transhumanism and 1984 and The Matrix and, I don't know, Minority Report.
Everything!
It's all coming together.
It's always fascinating to talk with you, and I appreciate you spending this time.
I really do, and I know our audience appreciates it.
Let's do this again, and can you just give out your website or where people can find more information about your work before we conclude this?
Yeah, a lot of the place, the best to see my stuff is on YouTube.
It's just Paul Cottrell, or my website is the-studio-raykovic.com, But all the links are in all of my videos, so it's very easy to just find my website or my Facebook account or my YouTube account and reach out to me.
I'm here to help.
I'm here to help on many different fronts.
Well, I really sense your compassion for humanity, and you're a brilliant man, and I really enjoy talking with you, and I think we both have the same motivation here, which is, how do humans continue to exist beyond this in a way that has some human dignity and freedom still remaining?
Because we're at risk of losing all that.
Not just our lives from this virus, but what happens afterwards.
So I really appreciate where you're coming from.
And I think we're on the same page on that.
And until next week or next time, I wish you the best.
Stay safe there in New York City.
And maybe share some pictures when those tents, when activities happen.
We've got to convince people that this is real.
There's still a lot of denialism out there.
But it's real.
You're there.
I started thinking about that last night when I started seeing these deniers.
Maybe I need to start walking around more.
Maybe so.
You can only battle so much.
I know.
I know, man.
I'm trying to learn this disease as much as I can and try to help people as much as I can.
But then I have to divert some of my attention and debunk the debunkers.
It's hard to divide your attention.
Yeah, I know.
We really need more basic science education in this country because we can't have people graduating from high school and not believing in germs.
There's something really wrong with that picture.
Right.
Not being able to calculate a 15% tip at a restaurant.
That should be common sense.
But anyway, thank you so much.
Thank you for your time and for your efforts.
It's been great to talk to you today.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate it.
I'll see you next week.
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