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April 22, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Oath Keepers' Stewart Rhodes interviewed by Mike Adams on the CORONAVIRUS pandemic
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Welcome, everyone.
This is Mike Adams with a special guest today, Stuart Rhodes from Oath Keepers.
And this is an emergency meeting, an interview on March 9th, the day that the Dow is absolutely plummeting.
We're talking about people are about to start jumping off buildings all over the Wall Street, okay?
It's that bad.
A lot of concern, of course, about the coronavirus, and Stuart Rhodes has been on point on this.
He's been very accurate in his assessment, but Stuart has a very sharp idea about what's coming, things that a lot of people aren't willing to talk about.
So, Stuart, welcome to the broadcast here on naturalnews.com.
It's great to have you on.
Hey, thanks a lot.
I appreciate it.
Well, Stuart, so let's just start with the basic assessment.
So you see what's happening out there.
There's a lot of different analyses, different opinions, even in the pro-liberty community, a lot of different opinions.
What's your take on what's happening?
Well, I think we should look at what's happening in other parts of the world.
Look at what happened today in Israel.
They're now going to quarantine everybody coming into their country for 14 days.
So they've basically locked down their borders.
Look at Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia canceled the Mecca pilgrimage.
I've never even heard of that in my lifetime.
So when we can look at Japan and Vietnam closing all their schools, so other nations, and look at Italy now, with 16 million people in quarantine.
So other nations are taking it very seriously, and it's not fake news, it's not hype.
I think President Trump has frankly done a disservice to the American people by believing that line that he's gotten from his advisors to say that this is no worse than a flu.
You don't shut down entire countries for flus.
You don't stop the pilgrimage to Mecca over a flu.
This is something very different.
I've been very concerned about that as well.
Trump definitely has taken that line that it's no worse than the flu.
It's obviously way worse than the flu.
It's a novel virus.
The human body has never experienced this before.
The death rate is 34 times higher than influenza, according to the WHO statistics anyway.
And, of course, like you said, we don't have states of emergencies and lockdown quarantines.
All around the world just because of influenza.
So this is clearly something far worse.
But why do you think Trump is taking that tack right now?
What's his strategy?
Well, I think, frankly, he's getting awful advice.
I think you said it.
I think Matt Bracken has said it.
A lot of us have said it, that he's been surrounded by deep staters from day one, and the CDC is part of that.
They're chock full of globalist deep staters.
Even if they aren't doing it for an overt, nefarious intent, which I think is definitely on the table, they'll certainly do it because their viewpoint won't allow them to even talk about the dangers and downside of having open borders.
You know, the option of getting in is you close the door and lock the door.
And they did not do that.
And that's the thing is Trump's missed that window.
I think you should still do it.
But the common sense thing to do been a month ago is to lock down the U.S. borders and not allow any flights in.
So they didn't stop flights from China.
They didn't stop flights from South Korea.
They didn't stop flights from Japan.
We're from Italy.
So he's getting horrible advice, which is basically, let the virus in, don't do anything about that, and now let's just mitigate the dangers to the most vulnerable, which is to isolate old people and those with previous conditions, which is millions of Americans.
Well, yeah, and it's even worse than what you just described in the sense that the CDC's failed testing kits allowed the virus to spread across America for almost four weeks undetected.
South Korea may be getting a handle on this.
Because they've done extensive testing.
We're talking over 100,000 tests have been administered, while in the United States, fewer than 2,000 tests have been conducted, even though we're a much larger country in terms of population.
So do you think the CDC sabotaged this on purpose?
Or was it just an accident or bad quality control?
Or how do you think?
Is this a scenario to take down Trump?
What do you think?
I think it's all of the above.
I think they're incompetent.
I think they're incompetent bureaucrats.
And like I said, they're blinded by their own globalist worldview.
But I think it's also going to be used to take down Trump.
I think his goose is cooked unless he takes radical action right now, which means sealing our borders, stopping all flights in.
And frankly, he has to stop, as you said just last week, he must stop all domestic flights.
He has no choice.
Okay, when you say his goose is cooked, you mean that he will lose the election if he doesn't change course?
Yeah, I think so.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
He'll be blamed for everything that happens.
We'll be blamed on him.
And like Matt Bracken said on his show, they're going to play back over and over again, him saying this is no big deal.
It's not any worse than the flu or the cold.
And all Americans are at low risk.
And they're going to stack it up next to all the body counts and the pictures of all the dead Americans.
And he's going to lose.
Now, for those watching, I want to give you the website.
It's OathKeepers.org.
Stuart Rhodes is, of course, not only the spokesperson, but the founder, correct?
Are you the only founder or co-founder?
I founded it, yeah.
You're the founder.
Okay.
OathKeepers.org.
Now, one thing where you have a lot of specialized knowledge, because so many of your members are law enforcement, former or active duty military, People who have taken an oath to defend the Constitution.
A lot of those people have seen how societies fall in other countries.
They've seen it firsthand.
And the typical American that's never been in a war zone really has no clue how fragile society can be or how low things can go when people lose their minds.
What message could you share with our audience about sort of where this might be headed Especially in liberal cities like San Francisco, where you have mass homelessness, combined with a pandemic, combined with lawlessness.
What does that begin to look like in America?
Well, I think what it's going to look like is it's going to look like Italy.
You're going to get quarantines.
You're going to see San Francisco quarantined.
You're going to see Seattle quarantined.
And frankly, it might be the right answer.
That's a decision the governors of those states need to be making.
But going back to President Trump, he needs to lead by example.
He needs to take decisive action now.
He should call for all schools to be shut down.
These are things that are going to happen regardless.
If you don't do it now, you're going to want to be doing it later with more ill and more dead Americans.
Take the hit now.
You may as well take the hit on the economy.
It's coming anyway.
So I think you're going to see lockdown cities.
You're going to see quarantine cities.
Watch the movie Contagion.
That's what you're going to see.
I encourage folks to watch that movie.
That'll scare the crap out of you, but it's a good thing because you'll realize what's coming.
You can't take for granted.
You're going to be able to get out of or into a city once that happens.
Absolutely.
Now, with the movie Contagion, of course, the vaccine was positioned as the savior, and the vaccine was available very, very quickly.
In reality, even Dr.
Fauci of the NIH says that a vaccine will take 18 months.
If we project this We're looking at millions of deaths in America this summer, just a few months away, if Trump doesn't change course dramatically.
So a vaccine saved the day in the movie Contagion.
The vaccine cannot save us this year and not before the election.
And the vaccine may never save us because the SARS-CoV-1 vaccine was a total failure.
This one might be too.
So what should Americans be anticipating or planning for here?
I think they should be prepared for not just 90 days self-isolation.
I think they should be prepared for six months.
I think it should be a six-month plan to lease because when a store is looted, they're not going to restock that store.
It's going to be abandoned.
So it's going to be a Of a 20-year-old who had sudden heart failure.
So you've got situations now where people are going to wind up self-isolating anyway.
So prepare for it now and start doing it now.
Stop flying.
Stop going to school.
Stop going to big events.
Isolate yourselves and prepare to do that for at least six months.
And prepare for civil unrest.
And prepare for a breakdown in law and order.
Because while the cops are all sick and being quarantined or they're in the ICU, you're going to have to protect yourselves.
That's just the bottom line.
There was already a story yesterday.
New York City firefighters have been told, do not respond to coronavirus calls.
Because you can't have your frontline responders be the first infected, then society really starts to break down once all your cops and firefighters and EMTs and so on have it.
Of course, doctors and nurses will be the next in line to get it at the hospitals.
But what about this idea that the government now is actively telling people that it's bad to prepare?
And you've got the liberal left-wing media also actively saying, You're a horrible person.
You're a hoarder.
If you buy masks or gloves or hand sanitizer, for God's sake, suddenly you're a bad person.
Meanwhile, the government itself is stockpiling like mad at a pace we've never seen before.
Those of us who are in the commercial products industry, we see the orders, we see the supply lines just getting wiped out by government orders.
Why is the government telling people not to prepare while the government's getting prepared like crazy?
Because they're buying time.
It's the stock market.
They're propping that up so they can get their money out first.
That's part of it.
The elites want to move their money and keep the unwashed masses in the dark until they've moved their money.
That's one part.
The second part is this paternalistic idea that you can't tell people the truth or they'll go crazy.
That's why I hate the word, you know, we don't want to cause a panic.
What is wrong with people understanding what's coming and getting ready?
So they're just basically kicking the can down the road and avoiding letting the American people know what's coming while they get ready to manage you.
It's the same old crap.
Instead of actually teaching you what to do or helping you prepare for it, their preparation is to contain and quarantine you.
That's about it.
Yeah, I heard it described recently as there's tremendous long-term risk in not panicking early.
So by panic, it means heightened awareness of the situation.
And if we have heightened awareness, we can all take steps to stop the spread of the infection through self-social isolation or taking antivirals, for example, or using sanitizing solutions on surfaces that you might share with other people in public buildings or taxi cabs or whatever.
It's no longer a kooky thing to carry, let's say, ammonium chloride wipes with you and wipe down the door handles before you touch them.
That's not an outlandish germaphobe thing.
That's actually common sense self-defense at this point.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah, but I think it's airborne.
I think you're going to get it.
Yeah.
So when you walk in the building, you're going to get it through the air conditioning unit in the building.
And it's already been, it's been aerosolized, it's hanging in the air.
You've got to take it to the point where you're, it's kind of like you're in a, you are in a disaster movie.
You're living in one right now.
Miserable, realize that and stock up and then isolate yourself.
Why not just take a two-week vacation and stay at home and watch what happens?
That's what you should do.
Take off, take your leave, and just stay home if you can.
Let's talk about self-defense and firearms.
Does this scenario or is there a scenario in this big picture here where certain areas of the country break down to the point where there's mass looting and home invasions and the cops can't be called and people need to, they need to sight in their ARs now and load their mags now.
Is that a realistic thing or is that overblown?
See my arm?
What color is that right there?
See that green paint?
That looks like a birth burn from the rifle.
No, that's actually from painting a rifle last night.
Oh, I see.
It looks like a powder burn from the guy next to you.
No, no.
A little bit of camouflage at work last night.
No, I think you have to presume, not just in urban areas, but also in rural areas, I mean, there are parts of...
I was just in Virginia for a month helping train militias down there.
I talked to one of our guys in that area and said that they have break-ins now of homes because the bad guys know that a lot of folks commute to work and they'll go break into homes.
That's happening in rural areas.
We're kind of isolated Virginia right now.
So imagine what it's going to be like.
If you're in an isolated rural area, you're actually in more danger in some way because there's no witnesses.
So you should be prepared for the reality that you're going to be attacked, like a Rhodesian farmer, like a South African farmer.
could be a siege on your farm homestead to take whatever you got.
So that's why you've got to, even in the midst of all this crap going on with the coronavirus, you have got to unite your neighbors and have some kind of a mutual response, mutual aid situation going where if they're attacked, they hit an air horn and you go and help back them up and vice versa.
Because you can't avoid the coronavirus if you're dead.
And also you can't make America great again if you're dead, by the way.
That's right.
This is going to kill a lot of Trump supporters.
I just saw Dr.
Oz on it.
It was a maddening interview to watch on Fox News, but at least he pointed out, like in the middle of the interview, that if you're 60 or over, it goes up exponentially.
It doubles.
Your death rate doubles per decade.
He said it was 4% past 60, and then it's at 8% past 70, and then it's like 15% at 80.
So in the 80s.
So you're going to wind up with a lot of Trump supporters at these big mass rallies.
In fact, shouldn't even be going to these rallies.
We're going to get infected and they're going to die.
Yeah, this is very disturbing to see.
We also, there were leaked slides from a presenter at the American Hospital Association conference.
You saw that.
Yep.
He had predicted 96 million infections, I believe 4.8 million hospitalizations, which is about a 5% hospitalization rate, which is only one-third the hospitalization rate that's been predicted by Dr.
Fauci.
of the NIH who predicted 15 to 20 percent hospitalization and then this presenter for the AHA also he had predicted 480,000 deaths which is only half a percent death rate.
That's very very low.
Now in Italy right now we're seeing a five percent death rate.
I believe Italy has a more aggressive strain but we could easily see a death rate of two percent in the United States or if the hospital beds get overrun which Current projections put that around mid to late May, then that death rate skyrockets to 10 to 15% in the United States.
So how are people looking at those projections and telling themselves that this is just the flu?
How does that psychology even happen in people's minds right now?
What do you think is going on?
Well, I mean, I'm back President Trump.
I hate to keep doing this, but it's the truth.
All of Trump supporters out there who believe this is nothing but media hype and hoax are looking to the president for leadership.
And he is basically saying that this is not that big a deal.
And you got Rush Limbaugh saying it's all, you know, leftist media hoax.
This is just a cold.
I've got family in California that I'm trying to convince this is serious.
So I think that's a huge part of the problem is that the political right wants to believe that this is just a bunch of hype and it's a drive to take down the president.
This was the, you know, the new impeachment.
They're right, but it's a real threat.
It's a real crisis that they're going to use to take down the president.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Well, this lack of ability to think critically among certain Trump supporters and maybe Fox News...
Majority.
Majority.
Okay.
Isn't this pretty disturbing?
Because that's the kind of attribute we normally apply to leftists who are kind of conformist, obedient zombies.
But now there seems to be a zombification effect happening among some Trump supporters who are just obediently following and not thinking about this.
This is very disturbing to me because I always thought conservatives had more critical thinking skills.
Maybe that's a bad assumption at this point.
I don't know.
What do you think?
Oh yeah, I saw it during President Bush's administration.
All the conservatives just jumped on board with whatever he said, you know, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, or yes, this is perfectly fine of seeing American citizens without trial in military detention, and they're just all about it because it was their guy saying it.
Same thing here.
If President Trump says it, they take it as gospel.
And they'll defend him until they're done.
So this is the problem.
He's not displaying the leadership he needs to do.
Forget about his reelection.
To do the right thing, he's not doing the right thing.
And I don't care what anybody says.
I'm sure I'll get hate mail over this.
But he is failing in his duty and responsibility as President of the United States to defend this country.
Period.
It's just reality.
When you or I say that, when we offer criticism of the President's current actions, it's legitimate criticism because we are supporters of Trump.
We voted for Trump.
I know I did.
I did too.
I mean, who would have voted for Hillary, right?
That was an early supporter of President Trump, but he's dropping the ball.
So when the radical left-wing media attacks Trump, that's not legitimate.
They want him to fail.
You and I want Trump to succeed.
Right.
You're going to get Bernie Sanders as president.
This keeps going.
You're going to get a socialist revolution based on the failure to protect people.
They're going to say he failed to protect the most vulnerable in society, old people, people with conditions.
They all died because Trump wouldn't protect them.
They're going to sweep in socialism and socialize medicine.
Well, I even think we could get a President Joe Biden...
With the Vice President, Hillary Clinton.
And then Biden, of course, is removed by the 25th Amendment almost immediately because he is mentally incompetent.
And then we have President Hillary Clinton!
Oh my God!
Actually, what I think is going to happen is Biden will pick Hillary as his running mate.
He'll drop out for medical reasons before the election.
She'll bring in Bernie Sanders as their Vice President to get his votes.
And there you go.
Hillary will be President.
I may have just nailed it.
That may be exactly what happened.
That's what I would do if I were them.
No doubt they're wargaming this in a big way right now, and they're planning on millions of deaths in America, or at least millions of infections with maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths, and it doesn't take that long to get there.
Think about, how can Trump get re-elected if he goes into the election after having been at the helm of the country when there were, let's say, two million Americans who died from this?
Even 100,000.
Even 100,000.
Right.
At that point, Trump is unelectable.
Yeah, agreed.
That's why, you know, he needs to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do, period.
But he also needs to do it because otherwise he's going to lose and we will get a Democrat and that will be the destruction of our republic.
That'll be the end of it.
So he needs to act now.
What happens then?
What happens if we get a Democrat?
In the White House in January of 2021, do we then start to see regional breakaway, regional Civil War type scenarios?
What do you think?
Yeah, I think so.
Absolutely.
I mean, in Virginia, I was at a muster of 500 guys standing there for a county muster in Bedford County, Virginia.
And this wasn't anything that I did.
This was a spontaneous grassroots thing that was already happening.
I just went there to advise them and make it better, frankly.
But that's what you're seeing right now, and it's the people themselves doing it.
Not the politicians.
It's not the Republican politicians, even down at the county level.
They're all squishes.
This is the people standing up and going, this is the warrior class doing this.
A lot of Afghan and Iraq veterans were in that group.
So they're standing up and saying, we are not going to let you do this.
No, we're our dead bodies.
We're going to fight.
And so this is what makes me kind of wonder about this, because it's like all of a sudden, you know, here we had, you know, rebellion in Hong Kong gets Chinese.
You got a fermenting rebellion in Virginia against their governor and people standing up.
And then, bam, you get hit with this thing that makes you not want to go to a muster anymore.
Who wants to go to a militia muster now?
So it's rather convenient.
Yeah, I was talking with Alex Jones about that, you know, the other day, about how this virus achieves every goal of the globalists, locking down people, forced vaccinations, ending free speech in the name of protecting the public, even creating a cashless society.
You know, they're going to start talking about banning cash because they'll say, well, the cash carries the virus.
So everybody's got to go to the Fed crypto system, which is a massive Orwellian, you know, electronic surveillance system.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
So this achieves everything.
Oh, and it might get rid of Trump, too, which is, of course, a big thorn in the side of the globalists.
So does that in your mind, does that is that convincing that this is engineered?
Well, I mean, I don't know, but I do know they're taking advantage of it.
Do I think it was a bioweapon?
I think absolutely.
The only real question is, did it get out accidentally?
Was it released by the Chinese on purpose?
Who knows?
But the thing is, is that it's going to be used to take down Trump.
Like you said, all other goals will be met.
Very much like JFK's assassination.
I think the caller in the Alex Jones show that pointed this out, he was right.
You know, when JFK was assassinated, it took care of a lot of the objections from all kinds of different groups.
The CIA didn't like him.
The FBI didn't like him.
The military industrial complex didn't like him.
The mob didn't like him.
So who killed JFK? Who knows?
But they all benefited from it.
So that's the same thing here.
We don't really know, you know, could have been intentionally released or accidentally.
Either way, it's going to be used.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
But what we have to do is we have to say, and this is something that's going to happen anyway, we don't trust the government.
A lot of Americans don't trust even their own state government, let alone the federal government.
They don't trust the deep state that they know is behind A lot of this crap that's going on.
And so those of us who are awake and aware aren't going to accept it.
And so you're going to see refusal.
You're going to see resistance to it.
Couldn't this then, along those lines, be a game changer that even results in the end of centralization of power in Washington, D.C.? I mean, couldn't this be the end of America?
Because as the American people are watching this, all they're seeing is just total incompetence, lies, deception, surgeon general telling you don't get masks, you know?
CDC and other officials telling you don't buy food, you don't need anything.
Isn't any remaining shred of faith in central government now collapsing in the minds of many?
Many, sure, but not enough.
I mean, like I said, look at Bernie Sanders.
You've got this ticking time bomb of millions of young minds filled with mush that have been indoctrinated in Marxism in colleges.
They're going to say instead of this is the failure of the central government, they're going to blame Trump and say this is the failure of fascism.
This is the failure of capitalism.
So therefore, sweep in the same old thing.
The right people are in charge.
Put the socialists in charge, and we'll make it all better.
So they're going to clamor for that.
But the other half of the country, those of us who live through it, are going to be like, nope, we're not doing it, and then we'll have a civil war.
Problem is, is the Trump supporters will be on their heels having to defend what Trump did or didn't do as they fight against the socialists.
Well, right.
Good point.
Also, aren't we looking at a situation where, look, this is going to spread more in the cities.
Because of the high population density.
So couldn't it have a much more devastating impact in the left-leaning cities, even as all of this unfolds?
I mean, wouldn't that speak to more casualties and more hospitalizations and more collapsing chaos in the cities?
Is that a valid point?
Yeah, I think it is.
But, you know, the thing is, this is so contagious, it's going to spread through rural communities also.
That's why they should close all the schools.
When a kid goes to school, it takes one kid that's infected, he gives it to everybody else, they take it home, and grandma and grandpa, grandma and grandpa die.
So it's ridiculous.
That's going to happen in rural America too.
It's already in rural small towns, in like Nebraska, it's in small towns.
It's spreading everywhere.
So I wouldn't count on this only being in cities.
Okay, I agree with you.
Yeah, it's going to spread everywhere that there's a road.
That was my answer.
People said, where is this going to go?
Well, everywhere that a car can reach.
Or an airplane, for that matter.
What's the RO on this one now?
Well, it's estimated from 4.5 to 6.6.
But who knows?
There's so many different strains now, too.
It depends on the strain.
Well, Dr.
Oz, on his interview, said if you have coronavirus, you can infect 45 other people.
That's what he said.
That was a little bit of a shocker.
Surely you can.
I mean, that one woman in South Korea infected hundreds of people, but just on average, the R0 value describes, you know, on average, one person spreads to how many.
But there are some people who blow that average out of the water and are super spreaders.
Like this priest, he gave communion to 500 people, I think.
Was that in the East Coast, near D.C.? That was on the news today.
So now 500 people have to be tested.
But The tests still aren't widely available, so how do you know that those people aren't infected?
Or picture one person on a plane.
And if it is airborne, which I think it is, you're not breathing in.
Whatever that guy's breathing out, you're breathing it in while you fly on the plane.
So you can infect an entire plane full.
There's no question.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that this virus will also achieve the nullification of the Second Amendment as states like California declare state-level emergencies.
They can then say, well, we have to seize guns from people.
And when that happens, aren't you going to get a lot of Californians saying, hell no.
You're not taking my guns.
Not in a pandemic.
Hell no.
And that's when people pull out the full 30-round mags they've had buried in the yard, you know?
Oh, yeah.
In Northern California, that's where my family lives.
I can tell you right now that they won't put up with it.
No way.
It's not happening.
So, like I said, it'll spark a civil war, but it'll be under the worst conditions for us, frankly.
I do...
I said we should definitely encourage President Trump to do what he still could do and should do.
He should stop all domestic flights, like you have said.
He should stop all international access.
He should put the U.S. military on the southern border of Mexico and lock it down because you're going to get more infected people coming across on foot.
And he should call for all the schools to be closed.
That's up to the states to do that.
They should lead by example and call for it and call for people to stop going to mass events.
He should suspend his own rallies.
Lead by example there too.
And do those on the internet.
Do those over the internet.
If not, what's going to have to happen is that we're going to have to do it ourselves at the local level.
Towns and counties have got to be prepared to lock down the borders of their county.
And don't let anybody in.
That's one way to keep it out.
If you're in a rural area especially, don't just, hey, you got some deliveries, you can stop there at the border of the county, we'll cross-load another truck, we'll disinfect everything, we'll take it in, have a nice day.
That's what's going to have to happen.
You know, it's probably already happened that there's been a Trump rally where people were infected and spread it.
It just hasn't been diagnosed yet.
But even if it hasn't happened yet, it's bound to happen very soon.
Just, just Statistically speaking, the number of people who are infected.
No, it has to have already happened.
It happened at CPAC. Why would it happen at CPAC? You're right.
It happened at CPAC. Exactly.
And we still don't even know the fallout from that.
That was so recent that there could be people who are still in the incubation period, which can last 24 days in some cases, that are going to get diagnosed a couple weeks down the road, who have already spread it to 500 other people in the meantime.
Including President Trump.
Including the President.
He shook the hands of the organizer who shook the hands of the guy who was infected.
There you go.
Well, maybe Trump should have relied on his original germaphobe stance.
Oh, absolutely.
He should have.
But, I mean, he should do what Israel's doing.
You want to know the right thing to do?
Look at Israel and Saudi Arabia right now.
Case closed, right there.
They lock their borders down.
They're quarantining people coming from the outside.
Okay, so that brings up the issue of the open borders migration across Western Europe, where you've got, of course, these virtue-signaling politicians, these extreme liberals across Europe.
Who just want to bring in all these migrants who are, you know, fleeing different areas or just invading Western Europe.
And that open borders policy is no doubt flooding Germany and France and the UK and Spain with all these infections.
The numbers are exploding in all those countries that I just mentioned.
And then many other countries are starting to get into the hundreds as well.
Why doesn't President Trump hammer the problems with open border policies on this?
You know, it's a perfect opportunity.
I don't know.
I think it's because he's married to his first initial statement.
He said it's no big deal that you're at low risk and he's not going to do or say anything that's going to counter that.
He's sticking to his guns.
He's sticking to his story.
And frankly, I think he's focused on re-election.
And he punted this to Vice President Pence, who I don't think is trustworthy at all.
So it's a tragic mistake of his.
What his motivation is, I don't know.
My suspicion is his whole brain is focused on re-election and nothing else right now, and he's punted this to Pence, and he wants to believe it's not dangerous, and that's all he's going to believe.
And he's not using it.
If he wanted to, he could lock down the southern border.
He could have done it years ago.
We both pointed that out.
He could have done it with the U.S. military already.
Why not use this excuse?
Because he doesn't want to admit this is a real problem.
That's why.
Well, right.
And he was downplaying it in order to stop the market from falling, but the market's falling anyway because the market is saying that we don't believe you, President Trump.
That's essentially, when you see the markets plunge, what, 2,000 points in one day off the Dow?
That's the market saying, President Trump, we don't believe you.
So his strategy isn't even saving the market and it's not stopping the virus.
It's lose-lose.
Yeah, the market's following the Prime Minister of Italy when he quarantined 16 million Italians.
That's what the market tanked, right?
So that's what the market's looking at.
It's like, okay, this is, like you said, this is legit.
This is not, you know, the emperor's new clothes isn't working anymore.
They're just, they're not, they're seeing right through it.
So, he needs to just man up.
He really does.
He needs to man up and do the right thing now.
Because right now, it's too late to stop the spreading inside the United States.
I would still lock the borders down, stop all international flights to minimize the spread.
Why bring new people in that are infected?
Why keep doing that?
Why are there still flights coming from South Korea?
That makes no sense.
Why are there still flights from Italy?
No, I know.
That just blows my mind.
It's deliberate, man.
It's deliberate.
So he did a good thing by stopping the flights from China, but I don't understand his thinking.
If that was the right thing to do, then the next logical thing is to stop the same flights from other infected countries.
Why would you continue doing that?
Well, and also he wanted to stop flights from terror states that would bring in terrorists who might kill hundreds of Americans at a time, typically, or maybe a few thousand in a 9-11 scale terrorist type of attack.
But this virus can kill millions.
It's a greater threat than any terrorist, because a terrorist, once they detonate their bomb, that bomb doesn't then replicate to other people and keep detonating over and over again.
So it's a one-shot deal.
Right.
Goodness.
And you should expect a terrorist to get infected intentionally and go around, like you've seen videos of China, handling doorknobs on purpose and sneezing on buttons and elevators.
Right.
And many people do that all the time, and the terrorists do the same exact thing.
Well, it's not difficult at all.
I mean, you can harvest this thing, you can grow it in egg yolks in a basement.
You know, you can have a no-budget lab.
And actually replicate this, and if you were so inclined, some terror-minded person could deploy it.
But at this point, they don't even need to, because it's going to go everywhere anyway.
It's already broken containment everywhere.
It's just a matter of time now.
It's just mathematics and time.
That's it.
Well, an infected terrorist is the cheapest biolab of all.
But he can seriously walk around, and he could go and walk through airports and walk through libraries and walk through stadiums and just...
You know, shake everyone's hand.
It could do like that priest, but do it intentionally.
So you could have force multipliers like that.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's very low tech and it's very low cost, which gives, you know, these almost collapsed nations, it gives them a weapon system that rivals nuclear weapons in terms of its devastating effects.
So the asymmetrical warfare aspect of this is off the charts here.
Well, you see leftists bragging on Twitter that they're going to go to Trump rallies if they get infected.
So there's that also.
I could see some antifa cell doing exactly the same thing.
Going to any political events on the political right and shaking everybody's hands.
You know, flapping their nose and then shaking their hand.
Oh my, okay.
Do you subscribe to the theory, and this may be a controversial question, and I don't know your answer.
I'm genuinely curious.
But some people are saying that, well, China, since China will recover first, So a certain percentage of its population will die.
The rest will be immune, including China's military.
There's a theory out there that China might stage an actual land invasion and occupation attempt of America.
Is that a pipe dream?
Is that just a scary story?
Or is that something that they might be considering?
No, I think it's something we should expect because...
The only thing standing in China's way for world domination, there's two things.
One is Russia and the other one is the United States.
So definitely if they see us weakened to the point where we have a breakdown in our continuity of government and they think they can get away with it, I would expect it.
I think you should expect that.
But I think we need to make it very clear that those of us who live through this, however severe it is, that if we see one foreign boot on our soil, we're going to stop.
Whatever we're doing, we're going to go straight to it and shoot them.
That's what our mindset needs to be.
Well, yeah, absolutely.
That's the mindset of everybody I already know here in Texas, but you can imagine in liberal cities, they don't live in reality anyway.
They're still capping on the streets and thinking that they have a utopia.
Well, that's the beachhead.
San Francisco is going to be the beachhead or Los Angeles.
That's where they would land.
Well, then doesn't that speak to Governor Newsom being a treasonous criminal traitor against America by signing laws that restrict gun rights of California citizens who would be the first line of defense against precisely such an invasion?
Well, he was already a traitor and a violator of his oath by doing that.
But yes, I think you could see him welcoming the Chinese with open arms.
But I think, you know, like I said, we need to make a decision right now.
I don't care how bad it is here.
Unlike one of our SF veterans posted on the Oath Keeper's Twitter feed, dead bodies, you know, mass pandemic doesn't make a difference.
One blue helmet and it's going to get appropriated.
That's true.
It needs to be our attitude.
Now, the history of wars often has involved...
Tramon and pestilence and disease.
I mean, World War I, classic example, the Spanish flu, the gathering of the troops, sending them to the front lines, transport in the rail cars in 1918 and a little bit earlier as well.
That created environments that were ideal for the spread of infectious disease.
So it's not even unusual to be facing an invasion and a disease at the same time.
That's actually happened a lot in history.
Right.
Absolutely.
And when you get a breakdown in cleanliness and normal society, you're going to get more disease.
We saw that in the Civil War.
There was disease among the troops on both sides.
So yes, it's going to happen.
I mean, I got spinal meningitis when I was in basic training.
It's going to happen in closed confines.
You're going to get stuff like that.
So yes.
Plus, you've got people bleeding.
You've got people...
Needing emergency medicine, sometimes being overrun.
Suppressed immune systems?
Yeah, all that.
Exactly.
And yet, we have our government, the FDA, sent out warning letters today attacking, I think, Jim Baker over colloidal silver.
And they sent out other warning letters to other companies that are promoting various herbal tinctures and things like that against the coronavirus.
And So, some of these things actually do a good job at protecting immune function.
I'm not saying that I agree with everything Jim Baker says, but our government, instead of looking at what might work and recommending it, they're just telling everybody, no, you should wait and die until a vaccine comes.
That's their advice.
Doesn't that seem insane?
Yeah, exactly.
So, this is the problem.
They're...
Our own credibility, like you said.
There's the chance, at least on the liberty side of the equation, there's a chance that we'll be so done with them that we will no longer accept them as legitimate at all.
So there's that.
Are you talking about the FDA or who exactly?
Yeah, all of them.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I can certainly imagine...
The FDA that just...
No, I'm saying FDA to CDC, all of them.
Right.
Health and Human Services, all of them.
The Surgeon General of the United States, he's a complete clown.
You know, those things that he's saying are ridiculous.
I've called this virus the ultimate truth machine because it allows, somehow, it forces the truth to come out of the mouths of people revealing truth.
In the case of the Surgeon General, revealing what an idiot he is.
Or in the case of the CDC, how corrupt and incompetent they are.
Or in the case of Trump, how medically illiterate he is on this topic.
The truth keeps coming out.
And you can't just call the virus fake news and censor it off Facebook and make it go away.
See, that's the thing.
The virus doesn't care what Mark Zuckerberg does.
It doesn't care what the media calls it.
The virus is just feeding on humans and replicating.
And it's going to keep doing it until somebody figures out a way to stop it.
But to stop it, you first have to acknowledge that it's real.
And that's not even being done in many sectors.
Yep, absolutely right.
That's why I say just, you know, look at what these other countries are doing.
Look at Israel, look at Saudi Arabia, look at Italy.
These are countries that are taking...
Look at China.
I mean, the mortality rate there is probably way higher than they said.
But when you see that they're walking around in full-on, you know, Level 4 bio suits.
They're not walking around with just a mask.
So that's how surfs are taking it.
So you know it's airborne.
It's not just from contact from droplets.
It's in the air.
Otherwise, they wouldn't be wearing that friggin' fancy respirator they're wearing.
Well, right.
In countries like Taiwan, you know, where I lived for several years, right now you're basically required to wear a mask.
If you don't wear a mask, you are condemned in public.
Whereas in the United States, if you wear a mask, you're called a lunatic and you're condemned by the Surgeon General, whose job is to protect public health.
It's insane.
Trump should fire all of them.
And if he can't fire them, he should resign, frankly.
He should fire himself.
If he can't handle it, we got to get somebody in there who can.
Yeah, the last thing you want is Pence.
I mean, it's a mess.
Trump, I don't know if there's some way to reach him.
I feel like we're important here as a who.
You know, we're the little who's on the little dust ball trying to reach him and he won't listen.
But if he doesn't listen, he's done.
He's done politically.
He's done.
Well, I think you're absolutely right.
I agree with your assessment on that.
I think he's done politically if he doesn't change course.
How long does he have to do that?
I mean, does that have to happen in 30 days or two weeks or tomorrow?
Or is it almost too late?
No, I think he needs to take action right now.
And even two weeks from now, at least we would know that he actually saw the reality.
He had to call a press conference, condemn the CDC for giving him false information, fire Pence, bring a new vice president in, and he should just take the helm himself and do his job.
That's what he needs to do.
And lock the border down, put the military on the border.
In other words, do everything you should do and do it without qualification is do it full, you know, within the bounds of the Constitution, of course.
When it comes to our borders, that's where you're draconian.
That's where you can be militaristic and martial.
You don't try to do it for us inside the country.
You lock it out.
Yeah, good point.
He's got an opportunity right now to get on top of this and actually then be able to say, hey, I was lied to.
When I became aware of the full extent of this, I took charge immediately.
And since then, we've reduced the spread substantially.
And he could do that.
We don't have to see millions of people dead in America.
Yeah, he could do that.
He could say, hey, my bad.
I screwed up.
I listened to bad advice.
I let the deep staters get in my ear, but no more.
I'm taking the helm, like an Andrew Jackson style, taking the helm, or Teddy Roosevelt.
Imagine Teddy Roosevelt president right now.
What would he be doing?
There you go.
What would Teddy do?
That's what Trump should do.
Exactly.
Okay, a couple more questions for you, and we'll wrap this up.
When are you going to stop traveling?
Because you travel a lot.
I'm not.
I'm done.
I'm not flying anywhere anymore.
Absolutely not.
I've been here in Texas now for almost a month.
I drove from Virginia to Texas, and I'm not flying anymore.
Nope.
So you're going to drive back home at some point?
I'll rent a car and drive back to Montana, yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
And when I do it, I'm just going to, you know, I'll just put a glove on and take my gas, get my gas in the car and throw the glove away.
Exactly.
And I'll just, you know, pee in a bottle.
Ha, ha, ha.
What about the other Oath Keepers members?
What are they saying about their plan?
What are they doing right now to get ready?
Basically self-sheltering.
And we're not going to church anymore.
We're watching church online.
We're taking it seriously.
And that's what we're advising our members to do also.
And in particular, we're telling them, reach out to your local city and county leadership.
The fire department, the sheriff's department, the hospitals, the emergency planner, and start talking to them now about what's going on and what they can do and encouraging them to close the schools, encouraging them to basically button up your county and isolate yourselves.
That's what you have to do within the bounds of the law.
You can't yet stop trucks from coming in, but you should prepare for the time when you have to do that.
That's what I think.
One more big question here.
When the president eventually declares a national emergency, which is coming, it's inevitable.
He will inherit all kinds of powers that Obama put into place with executive orders.
Powers to seize all food, all medicine, all ammunition, firearms.
Actually, that wasn't Obama that did that.
What Obama did is he amended statutes that have been there since the 1950s.
So it's really the Cold War that caused all that.
But yes, those are all in the books, absolutely.
They've been there since the 1950s.
So, I remember when there were bad hurricanes in Texas, some towns had a lot of evacuees from New Orleans, and FEMA was knocking on the doors of farmhouses saying, give us an inventory of all your food, because we may have to come get it.
That happened already in Texas.
So, that could get a whole lot more aggressive.
Like, we're here from FEMA with a rifle team, give us everything you have.
It could happen, but I'll tell you, I think there's such illegitimacy now.
The government scene is so illegitimate and so incompetent in the eyes of many Americans that are just not going to accept that.
And they're not going to give up their food stores.
So they're going to get shot.
So it's not going to go well.
That's what's going to come down.
The feds aren't going to save you.
And when the feds show up, it's not going to be for your benefit.
You've got to rely on your local.
That's why you've got to go reach out to your sheriff and you've got to start talking to your county right now.
You know, they should use that re-in-a-day fund to buy bags of wheat and bags of rice and beans and just stack them high.
That's what they should be doing.
And protective gear for the first responders.
There are first responders all over the country that have told us they don't have any masks right now.
They're walking around in the streets.
They're cops or EMTs.
No protective gear whatsoever.
They've got to go buy their own.
That's an absurdity.
That's nuts.
It's terrific.
That's a total lack of planning on the part of the cities, typically.
Sure.
And like responsibility.
They've got to get on it right now.
That's what you need to do, is mitigate your fallout and mitigate the exposure and the spread in your own town and county.
Trump's not going to do it.
We can sit here and say what he should do.
We both know he's not going to do it.
For whatever reason is going on inside of his head, he's just not going to do the right thing.
And so you're going to want it to spread, and the only way to stop it is you've got to stop it yourself.
The kids have got to be taken out of school.
Churches have got to stop congregating.
Those are the two big ones I see that happen every week.
Kids go to school, and churches keep getting together, and you're going to get spread in churches.
A woman in Houston spread her mass.
She went to the Friday mass.
She was infected.
Now, who knows how many folks are infected.
That's true.
That's true.
Well, some people, some of the Trump supporters say, no, he's playing 4D chess.
He's playing 5D chess.
He's playing 6D chess.
He's got this all figured out.
He's got some plan that he's going to spring on you.
I don't know about that.
That sounds like a far-fetched theory to me.
I think he's out of the loop.
I've been waiting for, and I know the Q people are going to lose their minds, but I've been waiting for two friggin' years, almost three years now, for this trust-the-plan stuff to develop because nothing's happened.
So where is it?
No, he's out of the loop.
And that's why Pence took over.
Pence is now handling Trump.
And he's managing the information that Trump gets.
So Trump is walking around doing rallies and doing campaigning.
He's basically stepped out of being president, giving that to his vice president when it comes to handling this crisis.
Instead, he's just campaigning as a candidate for the presidency.
So he's no longer really the president of the United States.
Trump is actually the president when he comes to making decisions now.
That's what I see.
And the answer to the virus can't be, socialism is that.
Because we know socialism is bad, but what are you going to do about the virus?
Yeah, I mean, you know, be a commander-in-chief.
Let's start there.
He does have the authority to lock our borders down and stop foreigners entering our country, whether it's by air or land.
I wouldn't give a dang.
That's why I bring up Andrew Jackson.
I wouldn't care what some court said about it.
If a court, and this is what will happen, if the Chinese landed on the beaches in Long Beach or invaded the United States and Trump sent the Marines there and some federal judge issued a declaration saying he can't do that, is he going to obey the federal judge or is he going to do the right thing?
Same thing here.
Yeah, well, good question.
He should have had some of those judges arrested long ago, in my opinion.
They are traitors.
Well, at least do what Andrew Jackson says.
Well, the court made its decision.
Let it enforce it.
And just go do what you know you need to do.
Yeah, good point.
Even more fun.
Okay.
Well, any last thoughts you want to add to this, Stuart?
This has been a fascinating interview already.
Well, we don't know.
I'm a crystal ball.
Like Bracken said the other day, I hope that two weeks from now or a month from now, we're all being laughed at because we overreacted.
I hope that's true.
I don't think it is.
I think this is our Spanish flu, and we need to take it seriously.
And I think it's going to be used by the deep state to try to take down the republic.
That's why you've got to get as strong as you can physically, mentally, spiritually, and then make sure you're screwed away in your local community so you can ride it out.
And then from the bottom up, grassroots up, we'll take this country back.
Well said.
And if the country falls, then let's rebuild it with a sense of liberty and self-reliance and Second Amendment.
And let's go even beyond that.
The protections of the Bill of Rights right now.
I mean, if we have to rebuild this country, let's rebuild it right.
And let's end all this lunacy that's taken over education and the legislature and the courts and all that.
I mean, who knows?
Maybe this is eventually, at some point, a fresh start after the chaos.
Who knows?
Well, the other side is going to push.
When a window opens, we're going to push through their agenda.
So when a window opens, we've got to push our agenda through, too.
Absolutely.
Well, Stuart, thank you so much for your thoughts.
I admire your ideas, your patriotism, your dedication, and consistency with your message.
You're not changing with the surveys or just because somebody doesn't like what you said.
Your message has been consistent year after year.
I really admire that about you.
Likewise, in the same way.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, Stuart.
Take care.
Keep up.
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