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Jan. 25, 2025 - The Leo Zagami Show
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ELON MUSK AND DEEP SEEK IS THE GENIE OUT OF THE BOTTLE ?
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Okay, first of all, let's dwell with this subject of great importance.
So we need to just...
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No, I'm making promises, but we have a lot to discuss.
So we might go above our 60 minutes limit.
Okay, well, this is important.
This is important.
This is important.
Guys, okay.
What I'm about to explain to you today is very important because there has been a lot of discussions about Trump, Chachi PT's owner, Project Stargate, what it means.
But the truth, guys, the truth is that we are in a big mess because, of course, first of all, it's important to explain what we are talking about here.
For years, we've been talking about, at least since 2022, we've been talking about ChatGPT, which is this generative artificial intelligence chatbot developed by OpenAI and launched in 2022, which initially also had some kind of a movement with Elon Musk.
And it is currently based on the GPT-4.
Large language model, which is an evolution of it.
However, on Christmas Eve, something happened.
Something happened that nobody was expecting.
You see, all these companies like Google, like Microsoft, like Apple, even when they collaborate with OpenAI, with ChatCPT, because it's an open source, They are relying on investments of billions.
And suddenly, out of thin air, though they were kind of creeping in for a few months, actually since May 2023, China manifests the same kind of AI force and they do it with...
With nothing.
With an investment of five to six million dollars.
And they reach the same level.
So now we find Donald J. Trump investing with SoftBank, of course, 500 billion.
Billion.
Billion.
To stop something that the Chinese are pulling off with a fraction, with nothing.
How do they do it?
I mean, DeepSeek is born out of a bunch of kids in a university.
Who started to work in Zhejiang University with a guy called Liang Wenfeng.
And in 2015, they created iFlyer.
iFlyer AI was dedicated to the research of AI algorithms and basic applications.
But what interested China?
And of course, when you are developing something, starting from a Chinese university, you're developing something for the Chinese Communist Party.
And what they have been interested in since 2021, all of iFlyer's strategies have been using AI with comparison to American hedge fund renaissance technologies, but always because they were connected to, of course, hedge funds and mathematical and statistical analysis to do with the economy, not only the AI development.
It was in April 2023. That High Flyer suddenly becomes a new independent research body of artificial general intelligence.
And it will not be used for stock trading, but for something different.
It was the birth of DeepSeek.
And DeepSeek was launched in May 2023. Now, this is very interesting.
First of all, symbolically.
Let me straighten up the camera here, because there's always those people who say, hey Leo, there's the image behind you, which is not...
No, it's just the camera.
Okay, so what happens here is that at one point, things really start to get a little bit creepy with this whole project, because in a matter of a few months, it comes out of thin air and...
On the eve of Christmas of 2024, when we were all relaxing here in the West, the Chinese launched their latest DeepSeek model, DeepSeek V3. Of course, before V3, there were other models.
But while Chachi EPT cost hundreds of millions to develop, they developed the latest model with an expense of $5.58.
I mean, nearly 6 million.
I mean, I'm talking peanuts.
And it showed that it already outperformed a lot of the other models matching Chachi PT4. And that was out way before.
Guys, I have always told you that China will become the leading nation for cyber safety.
They had a plan.
A plan that was launched, I think, was a 13-year plan from 2017 to 2030 to become the leading AI country.
And of course, this time, they might not only succeed, but it might be virtually impossible for us to stop there.
Now, in Davos, You know, there's been the World Economic Forum and the World Economic Forum.
Now we will go and analyze.
They also, of course, admitted their defeat with Donald J. Trump.
But there was also another topic of interest.
The topics of interest were two in Davos this year.
Donald J. Trump and Deep Seek.
So I want to introduce all of you to Deep Seek.
And we're going to go and analyze what is happening because this might change, this new AI model might change the whole game.
Breakthrough has leapfrogged the world.
I think we should take the development out of China very, very seriously.
A game-changing move that does not come from OpenAI, Google or Meta.
There is a new model that has all of the Valley buzzing.
But from a Chinese lab called DeepSeek.
It's opened a lot of eyes of, like, what is actually happening in AI in China.
What took Google and OpenAI years and hundreds of millions of dollars to build, DeepSeek says took it just two months and less than $6 million.
They have the best open source model, and all the American developers are building on that.
I'm Georgia Bosa with the Tech Check Take, China's AI breakthrough.
This is a real breakthrough, guys.
This is something unprecedented.
I mean, just to give you an example, it's like when Apple came out with Apple 10, and it cost almost $1,000.
It would be like suddenly the Chinese came out with the same thing, but for $30.
So this is like, guys, changing completely everything.
But of course...
Is it going to fall apart?
Everything from China falls apart.
Everything from China falls apart when it's deliberately built out of bad material.
But here we're talking about virtual product.
Here we're talking about AI. Now, in the world of AI, the quality is about parameters.
It's about something else.
So, to see this whole thing being launched in December 2024, and there were people, guys.
I mean, in Volume 7, I have been writing a trilogy, Volume 6.66, Volume 9, I show you, Volume 6.66, Volume 7, and Volume 9. And I explain also how the analysis of this book, The Age of AI by Eric Isinger and Eric Schmidt and Daniel Utenlacher, were...
Kind of spot on.
I cited some of this material in my books.
This was written free.
He died just a year and a half ago, whatever.
So, I mean, it was a book that came out in the middle of the pandemic, I think around 2021. Yeah, 2021. And of course, This is a book that talks with experts like Harry Schmidt, who said, don't worry, guys, China is behind us a couple of years.
Well, even Eric Schmidt changed the idea this time when Deep Sea comes out.
It's like something that nobody was expecting.
And Donald J. Trump now fighting the Chinese with an investment of $500 billion.
Is it really what we need here?
Because, I mean, I think that here it's not about the money anymore.
It's about having the minds that can put together this technology.
And Elon Musk, of course, criticized the whole thing.
But, you know, the initiative was put together with SoftBank, which is a Japanese bank.
The Japanese, of course, are very scared of what DeepSeek could do to them.
Everybody's scared about DeepSeek.
And it's the talk of the town in Davos.
that's why we need to know more about it.
It was a technological leap that shocked Silicon Valley, a newly unveiled free open source AI model a newly unveiled free open source AI model that beat some of the most powerful ones on the market.
But it wasn't a new launch from OpenAI or model announcement from Anthropic.
This one was built in the East by a Chinese research lab called DeepSeek.
And the details behind its development stunned top AI researchers here in the US. First, the cost.
The AI Lab reportedly spent just $5.6 million to build DeepSeq version 3. Compare that to OpenAI, which is spending $5 billion a year.
And Google, which expects capital expenditures in 2024 to soar to over $50 billion.
And then there's Microsoft, that shelled out more than $13 billion just to invest in OpenAI.
But even more stunning...
How DeepSeek's Scrapier model was able to outperform the lavishly funded American ones.
To see the DeepSeek new model, it's super impressive in terms of both how they have really effectively done an open source model that does what is this inference time compute and it's super compute efficient.
It beat Meta's llama.
OpenAI's GPT-40 and Anthropics' Claude Sonnet 3.5 on accuracy on wide-ranging tests, a subset of 500 math problems, an AI math evaluation, coding competitions, and a test of spotting and fixing bugs in code.
Quickly following that up with a new reasoning model called R1, which just as easily outperformed OpenAI's cutting edge O1 in some of those third party tests.
Today, we released Humanity's Last Exam, which is a new evaluation or benchmark of AI models that we produced by getting, you know, math, physics, biology, chemistry.
Now, let's stop a second because this guy is very young and he leads a company that is worth various billions of dollars.
His parents were actually Chinese immigrants who came to America.
And ended up working in Los Alamos, where they developed, as we know, the first nuclear, the first atomic bomb, and so on.
This guy is somebody we should definitely look for in the next few years.
He is, of course, loyal to America, but up to a certain extent.
However, remember, Davos this year, as we will see soon, has admitted that they have been defeated by Donald J. Trump.
But this will put them even closer to Russia and China, of course.
The artificial intelligence industry in the People's Republic of China comes from the end of the 70s.
They started to develop.
But it was in 2006 that the government of the People's Republic of China has steadily...
Develop a national agenda to artificial intelligence as a priority.
And in 2016, the Chinese Communist Party released his 13th five-year plan, which basically brings us to...
It's built so that China can become a global leader in 2030. So that is the aim of the industry.
That is their aim.
That is where they want to go.
They, of course, want to become the leaders.
However, in regards to the development of all this, The development will not have been possible without, of course, and here you need to straighten up the cameras and move so you can see Gristi!
This guy, Gristi, this guy is a young guy.
Would you believe that this guy is a very powerful guy who is a contractor with the US Armed Forces for the Development of the AI? No.
And that he wanted to actually make a deal with China, Biden and TikTok.
He did?
But then they stop the deal, of course.
Hmm.
But deep seek, which is the leading Chinese AI lab.
Their model is actually the top performing or roughly on par with the best American models.
They accomplished all that?
He's telling us that the model of DeepSeek is super advanced.
This guy is somebody who works for a company based in San Francisco who...
Of course, he's very much involved in AI business and development for the armed forces.
He's loyal to America, but the guy is always a bit Chinese.
Let's not forget that.
In any case, let's continue to see what CNBC has said yesterday about the rise of DeepSeek.
Strict semiconductor restrictions that the U.S. government has imposed on China, which has essentially shackled them out of computing power.
Washington has drawn a hard line against China in the AI race, cutting the country off from receiving America's most powerful...
Perfect!
Great!
This happened in September of last year.
This article was published by CNBC, and it's an article by Dylan Butts, and it's from September 6, 2024. That was when...
The Joe Biden, sleepy Biden's administration, finally rolls out the new chip-related export control as China makes industry advances.
It's too late.
They already made those advances.
This, if Trump was in power, would have probably been implemented three years before.
And now it's too late.
The gene is out of the box.
They have developed this seek be free.
They don't need any longer.
Chip-related exports.
And we can't slow down the development of the AI with something like this.
Joe Biden is to blame for this very late...
I mean, rolls down new chip-related export controls.
Well, you should have rolled them out a couple of years before.
That's it.
...chips like NVIDIA's H100 GPUs.
Those were once thought to be essential to building a competitive AI model, with startups and big tech firms alike scrambling to get their hands on any available.
But DeepSeq turned that on its head.
Sidestepping the rules by using NVIDIA's less performant H800s to build the latest model and showing that the chip export controls were not the chokehold DC intended.
They were able to take whatever hardware they were trained on, but use it way more efficiently.
But just who's behind DeepSeq anyway?
Despite its breakthrough, very, very little is known about...
Of course very little is known because it's the Chinese Communist Party.
This is...
Where we are heading for?
There is not going to be any clarity.
Of course, they're like, who is behind Deep Seek?
How is it possible they spent only five to six, less than six?
The Chinese did it.
They did it when we weren't looking.
The concept of communism is that you don't spend money.
You let people work for free for the state at times, especially in matters of national intelligence.
Why is America investing 500 billion in Project Stargate?
It's a waste.
Because, ladies and gentlemen, we should simply force Elon Musk, Sam Altman and everybody, Mark Sackman and all these people to work for free for the development and the rise of something that can at least Mark Sackman and all these people to work for free for the development and the rise of
Otherwise, if the leading AI in the world is in the hands of China, as I predicted, unfortunately, we will be inevitably viewing the rise of cyber Satan and of the Antichrist.
Welcome to the Leo Zagami Show with Leo and Christy.
And let's continue with this analysis of an unprecedented step made by the Chinese.
And, of course, the rise of cyberspace.
And its founder, Liang Wenfeng.
According to Chinese media reports, DeepSeek was born out of a Chinese hedge fund called High Flyer Quant that manages about $8 billion in assets.
So young geniuses came out of university, like I said, many years ago, a group of young geniuses.
They are working, of course, for China.
South China Morning Post is like a mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party.
This is an article from January 12, 2025. And this is the official version of the event.
Remember, China is giving you an official...
A group of young geniuses.
The mission on its developer site, it reads simply, unravel the mystery of AGI with curiosity.
Ooh, so don't worry.
They're just...
I'm building the mysteries of artificial intelligence with curiosity.
It's nothing to see here.
Don't worry.
Relax.
Deep Seek.
The word itself tells you.
If you are a European, an American company, and you start using Deep Seek because it costs, of course, nothing compared to other companies, at that point...
You will inevitably be in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party, all your data, everything.
This is what they're doing.
And plus, they're building with DeepSeek the backbone for the ultimate manifestation of cyber Satan on Earth by 2050. They didn't even hide it.
They are seeking it.
They are deep seeking it.
Answer the essential question with long-termism.
The leading American AI startups, meanwhile, OpenAI and Anthropic, they have detailed charters and constitutions that...
Ooh, they have detailed charter, constitutions.
One thing I can say about these assholes.
Now, I want to be very honest about this whole thing.
Sam Altman and his chat CPT. In Italy, for example, when you ask about Leo Zagami, I'm described as...
A character anti-Semite, anti-this, anti-that.
Basically, I am a scamboy.
When you ask the same question to chat GPT in America, it gives you a slightly different answer, though.
And then when you go and ask the same question to the artificial intelligence developer, you finally get an honest answer.
So, why?
Why?
There is no ethics and morals in the development of artificial intelligence, especially in the hands of these leftists who up until yesterday programmed chat CPT, let me tell you, with woke and diversity, equity, and inclusion values, of course, all over the place, because that's what they were trying to do, you know?
Now things are different.
Trump is the new sheriff in town.
$500 billion investment.
But the Chinese...
Thanks to Sleepy Joe and thanks to the fact that Sleepy Joe wasn't really there most of the time and the people behind him were very much pro-Chinese as well as his whole family that he has pardoned before leaving the White House to avoid their investigations on being a traitor to America because we know his relation with China.
So selling out The technology of the future, a little bit like when the nuclear weapons were developed here in America, and then thanks to spies, they started to be developed in Russia, and then years later, of course, also in China and in other countries around the world.
And they're founding missions, like these sections on AI safety and responsibility.
Despite several attempts to reach someone at DeepSeek, we never got a response.
Did they actually assemble this talent?
How did they assemble all the hardware?
How did they assemble the data to do all this?
We don't know.
We don't know.
The Chinese Communist Party is never going to tell you.
That's the thing.
You see, the State Council of China, of the People's Republic of China, has a national AI team that consists in Baidu, Tencent, Alibaba, which is like a Chinese Amazon, sends time, iFlex, but also, of course, you have TikTok involvement because TikTok, you know, where do you think all the data goes?
So this development that we see in China and the Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence, which is based in Beijing.
It was founded in 1979. It hasn't been founded yesterday, but it definitely has taken its name and has made further advancements because initially, when it was founded, you know what was the name in 1979 when they founded this organization?
The American Association for Artificial Intelligence.
The American Association, based in Washington, D.C., and everything is cool.
But of course, this organization established a branch in China, and then the Chinese took it over, and as well as taking over and spying on every single element of Silicon Valley, and then developing it for their own goal.
We have always said something, and I always repeat it in my book, so the Chinese guys...
They will spy and reproduce anything you make.
That's it, no?
God doesn't like spying.
Well, but this is what is happening.
So now, will a $500 billion investment work out?
And why did Elon Musk criticize it?
Is Elon Musk in bed with the Chinese already, as he has many interests in China?
Is he criticizing it because he knows that here it's not any longer a matter of money?
And it's definitely a matter of national security.
So it's important that we understand, as people who support Donald J. Trump, that, of course, the Stargate project has a reason, and this is the reason, but will it be effective?
The way it's being built up, can it be effective?
And hopefully we can learn that.
But the mystery brings into sharp relief just how urgent and complex the AI face-off against China has become.
Because it's not just DeepSeek.
Other, more well-known Chinese AI models have carved out positions in the race with limited resources as well.
Kai-Fu Lee, he's one of the leading AI researchers in China, formerly leading Google's operations there.
Like a former leading Google operations.
So he went from America, taking all his know-how of Google, Kurzweil, the development of, the early development of Google and AI technology in Google, and he brought it to China and he did his own thing in China.
And now he has a company worth various billions of dollars.
And what is in it for America?
Absolutely nothing.
Now his startup, ZeroOne.ai, it's attracting attention, becoming a unicorn just eight months after founding and bringing in almost $14 million in revenue in 2024. The thing that shocks my friends in the Silicon Valley is not just our performance, but that we train the model with only $3 million.
And GPT-4 was trained.
What are you going to do with people who develop models with 3 million?
And we are asking here hundreds of millions.
Billions.
Billions.
I mean, guys, we need to sort things out.
This is going to be a defeat.
But also, you know, who has really this kind of technology is, of course, going to rule from 2030 onwards.
And if China is the one, inevitably that's cyber Satan.
Because...
They are the dragon of the apocalypse.
They don't have any god in their philosophy.
They are absolute materialists.
Stargate, some people say, is eugenics.
But, guys, Stargate is just an attempt, last-minute attempt, to stop China's deep seek.
And the fact that in the last few weeks, everybody's been talking about Stargate, oh, Stargate this, Stargate that, without focusing on DeepSeek means that you really don't know what is happening in the world.
Trained with just $3 million.
Alibaba's QN, meanwhile, cut costs by as much as 85% on its large language models in a bid to attract more developers and signaling that the race is on.
China's breakthrough undermines the lead that our AI labs were once thought to have.
In early 2024, former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, he predicted China was two to three years behind the U.S. in AI. And this is a guy I've, of course, just mentioned, co-author with Harry Kissinger and Daniel Hatterlocker of the AJI and the Human Future.
A guy who, of course, has made a prediction that has failed.
And now he has admitted that.
But now, Schmidt is singing a different tune.
Here he is on ABC's This Week.
I used to think we were a couple of years ahead of China, but China has caught up in the last six months in a way that is remarkable.
The fact of the matter is that a couple of the Chinese programs, one, for example, is called Deep Seek, looks like they've caught up.
It raises major questions about...
Well, major questions.
First of all, how did they catch up?
I was thinking, like, asking Leo when it was going, if it was the pandemic that did it.
But the pandemic, like I always said in my books, guys, is a way that China had to gather data, just like TikTok.
Gathering data is feeding into these models that then inevitably will grow in power.
I mean, you see, while ChatGPT seems to have more need for time for the training of their large language models, it seems that they are developing this open source, which the symbol already should make us understand, a whale.
A whale is the symbol of deep sea.
And they are the whale.
Guys, the whale in the sea is a big animal.
It's a big fish.
The biggest.
Deep sea.
They want to be the biggest fish in the sea.
They want to be the biggest fish in the sea.
The fact that now Trump is not...
Closing down in the US TikTok is simply to give the possibility to China to make a deal.
The art of the deal is very clear.
You give us 50% of TikTok and the data access for our intelligence services and so on, and you limit, of course, the information that might be filtered externally to China.
Will China accept?
Who knows.
In the meantime, though, they may use...
of this DeepSeek, and they are developing it very fast.
In May 2024, they launched DeepSeek B2, then followed, like we said in December, B3. The fact that they unveiled these models and that they cost so little to produce means that very soon,
while ChatGPT is trying to catch up, They will have already developed DeepSeek V4, V5, V6. And the more they advance, the more they get into the sentient artificial intelligence, into the artificial intelligence that becomes more and more capable of thinking.
The fact also that their models, the whole system, doesn't take that much to train.
The pre-training, the context extension, the fine-tuning, these are the elements.
That brings the costs up.
And it seems that their costs are fairly low.
So on January 20, 2025, we're talking about five days ago, the DeepSeq R1 and DeepSeq R10 were released.
What does it mean?
It means that they are based on B3, but like B3, it's a mixture, but it's going forward.
And, of course, the parameters, the activated parameters are higher.
And they also have released, of course, models that are similar to other open-weight models like Lama, Queen, and they are getting fine-tuned.
What does it mean for the common folk industry?
Because ultimately, you know, people want to know, but will that change my life?
Of course it will change your life.
Because artificial intelligence industry is just like any other industry.
If they are offering products at a fraction of the price, already they will win.
But this will also put in the hands of China.
China in 2021 published the Data Security Law of the People's Republic of China.
Let's check this, because this is the ultimate...
Orwellian element that comes out of the pandemic, like Christy just said.
You were asking, what came out during the pandemic?
Where were these Chinese doing during the pandemic?
Well, with all this data coming in, here is what the Chinese did.
Data security law of the People's Republic of China.
Governance decreation uses storage.
Transfer, exploitation of data within China.
So they are gripping on all their data.
They are formalizing a control, a massive state control.
So nobody knows their data.
No.
They know everybody else's data.
Absolutely.
Look at their symbolism also that you have here.
In this...
Who do they think they are?
Here, a second.
I can maybe...
Open it and we can check the symbolism a little bit better.
So guys, let me, of course, put this away.
And let me put the symbol.
Because symbolism always brings you to the understanding.
Wow!
This is like, you know, the power.
Of communism mixed with the power of ancient China and the imperial palace.
All in one here.
All encompassing.
Wow.
This is what they're doing, guys.
And I mean, we are showing you today all this.
While most people are not really understanding what is happening, it's very sad to see that most people don't have a clue.
They don't have a clue about all this, no, Christy?
Yeah, because most people don't read your books.
I noticed a lot of people in the chat have a clue.
Yes.
So they've been reading your books, so they know about your trilogy to Cyber Satan and how this is coming.
But everybody else, there's a lot of people that don't read your books.
Well, unfortunately, they should definitely read my books.
I mean, the fact that the industry in China has now launched this deep seek that has pushed Trump in one of his first executive orders to immediately launch this project.
And of course, everybody criticized Trump, started to say Trump this, Trump that.
Guys, the thing is that Trump knows very well that the Chinese government is expanding their research and their development.
And that soon they might become the leaders in a sector which is crucial for our national security, because that is eventually what we learn.
And what I have told also in my research before.
because if you learn volume nine, that's where we're heading for.
How can we catch up, though, when we're already behind?
Well, we can catch up, of course, still with the development of quantum computers and further technological advances might be possible if we, with these great investments, probably launch some initiatives that might integrate superior form of AI. However, at the moment, we have to admit that as of 2025, the Chinese technology is kicking our ass.
Now, Chinese technology firms such as Zipu, AI, ByteDance, owner of TikTok, launched AI video generation tools to rival OpenAI Soros.
So this is about becoming the leading country in a sector that might provide Satan with the ultimate tool to bring...
Around the rise of the Antichrist, to support the Antichrist and to oppress billions of people around the world.
I mean, their research now has gone further.
So the Chinese Communist Party has decided that reaffirmative AI is a top research priority and ranks AI first among frontier industries that the Chinese government...
It aims to focus on not only until 2030, but in 2035. So they have already Chinese government guidance and funds ready for all this strategic sector.
We are only starting with Project Stargate.
And already there is everybody who is misunderstanding.
Trump is the president of all Americans.
And I would like to know, why is Elon Musk, who people like Alex Jones love so much, at times exceeding in their love for Elon Musk?
I mean, I don't mind geniuses.
And Elon is a genius.
But if Elon is honest, he should tell Trump, okay, this is a national emergency.
We need to get all the geniuses in one room and get to stop or at least...
Work to prioritize this sector that otherwise will become a big problem for America.
I mean, China is, as I even explained in volume 11 of my confession, because, of course, this also goes in with biotechnology, with the mind control, nanomind control, and everything else that they are working around.
The AI development in China is already encompassing all the aspects of AI development, facial recognition, biotechnology, quantum computing, medical intelligence, and autonomous vehicles, all part of the future kingdom reign empire of cyber safety.
I mean, it's like...
The Xinjiang and Guangdong provinces, which we all saw during the pandemic, everybody, are the most AI innovative in experimental areas.
The AI infrastructure, this is quite interesting.
For instance, Sun Tzu, which is a city with a lot standing strong manufacturing industry, is heavily focused on automation and AI infrastructure, while Wuhan, Wuhan, yes, where the China virus came from, focuses on AI implementation and education sector.
What the heck?
So?
What's going on?
See?
So the generative AI labs that are also found within certain universities, we know that, you know, They work in connection with certain universities.
So when these people say, where is Deep Sea coming from?
It's coming from the Chinese Communist Party that is kicking our asses.
...really is.
Back when OpenAI released ChatGPT to the world in November of 2022, it was unprecedented and uncontested.
Now the company faces not only the international competition from Chinese models, but fierce domestic competition from Google's Gemini, Anthropix Cloud, and Meta's open-source llama model.
And now the game has changed.
The widespread availability of powerful open-source models allows developers to skip the demanding, capital-intensive steps of building and training models themselves.
Now they can build on top of existing models, making it significantly easier to jump to the frontier, that is the front of the race, with a smaller budget and a smaller T.
In the last two weeks, AI research teams have really opened their eyes and have become way more ambitious on what's possible with a lot less capital.
So previously, you know, to get to the frontier, you would have to think about hundreds of millions of dollars of investment and perhaps a billion dollars of investment.
What DeepSeek has now done here in Silicon Valley is it's opened our eyes to what you can actually accomplish with 10, 15, 20, 30 million dollars.
It also means any company like...
He said Trump shouldn't...
This is another criticism.
This was to be a suggestion for Donald J. Trump.
In fact, I will prepare an article and send it to the White House and explain the situation.
I mean, what this guy just said, investments don't have to be of $500 billion.
It's about creating geniuses teams with smaller budgets that can eventually bring us into...
A new understanding and eventually a discovery that can bring us forward in this AI race.
So this is very important.
Claims the frontier today could lose it tomorrow.
That's how DeepSeek was able to catch up so quickly.
It started building on the existing frontier of AI. Its approach focusing on iterating on existing technology rather than reinventing the wheel.
Of course they're not reinventing the wheel.
The Chinese never invented anything.
They just copy.
But they copy and copy and copy.
And then they kick your ass.
A really good big model and use a process called distillation.
And what distillation is, is basically you use a very large model.
To help your small model get smart at the thing that you wanted to get smart at.
And that's actually very cost efficient.
It closed the gap by using available data sets, applying innovative tweaks, and leveraging existing models.
So much so that DeepSeek's model has run into an identity crisis.
It's convinced that it's ChatGPT.
When you ask it directly, what model are you?
DeepSeek responds, I'm an AI language model created by OpenAI, specifically based on the GBT4 architecture.
Leading OpenAI CEO Sam Altman to post in a thinly veiled shot at DeepSeek just days after the model was released.
This is Sam Altman, the guy who went...
With the SoftBank to start a $500 billion project.
Let's see what he's saying here.
It is relatively easy to go with something that you know works.
It is extreme.
You have to do something new, risky and difficult when you don't know if it will work.
Individual researchers rightly get...
A lot of glory for that.
When they do, it's the coolest thing in the world.
Yeah, Sam, with all that respect, the Chinese don't give a fuck about this bullshit.
They just go for the practical stuff.
And they are now producing stuff that is equally as good as yours for a fraction of what you invest.
It's relatively easy to copy something that you know works.
It's extremely hard to do something new, risky and difficult when you don't know if it will work.
But that's not exactly what DeepSeek did.
It emulated GPT by leveraging OpenAI's existing outputs and architecture principles while quietly introducing its own enhancements, really blurring the line between itself and ChatGPT.
It all puts pressure on a closed-source leader like OpenAI to justify its costlier model as more and potentially nimbler competitors emerge.
Everybody copies everybody in this field.
You can say Google did the transformer first.
It's not OpenAI and OpenAI just copied it.
Google built the first large language models.
They didn't prioritize it, but OpenAI did it in the productized way.
So you can say all this in many ways.
It doesn't matter.
So if everyone is copying one another, it raises the question, is massive spend on individual LLMs even a good investment anymore?
Now, no one has as much at stake as OpenAI.
The startup raised over $6 billion in its last funding round alone.
But...
The company has yet to turn a profit.
And with its core business centered on building the models, it's much more exposed than companies like Google and Amazon, who have plowed and ad businesses bankrolling their spend.
For OpenAI, reasoning will be key.
A model that thinks before it generates a response, going beyond pattern recognition to analyze, draw logical conclusions, and solve really complex problems.
For now, the startup's 01 reasoning model, it's still cutting edge.
But for how long?
Researchers at Berkeley showed that they could build a reasoning model for $450 just last week.
So you can actually create these models that do thinking for much, much less.
You don't need those.
So guys, we need to understand here.
Let's straighten up.
We need to understand here.
If...
We need to really spend this 500 billion because 500 billion, guys, is a lot of money.
Now, with all the respect, the money comes from SoftBank, also from Japan and all the people of Japan.
Much respect for the people of Japan who want the best money to stop the Chinese and the deep sick, which sounds a little bit like deep state.
It does.
But the incredible thing about this week, which we have been living, guys, has also been the fact that...
That we have some admissions, guys, admissions from, I mean, admissions from the enemy itself, from these people in Davos, these people who have lost and suddenly admit that they have lost and admit, though, also that the next four years, the next four years will be very important for both technology and politics.
Ian, let me agree with completely, but kind of slightly disagree.
But I think your main point, we shouldn't normalize Trump.
Trump has done something no person in the world has ever done before.
A dead man, a dead politician has risen.
Somebody who a year, if we were four years ago at Davos, he's buried, dead politically, known to me.
He's now returned.
This is the greatest comeback in political history of a politician.
And then, therefore, he thinks he can do anything.
It's a supreme confidence now about that.
And lo and behold, I mean, this is a phenomenon that we shouldn't try to...
Understand only in the terms that we're traditionally accepting.
We should say something strange, new, and amazing is happening here, and we should study it, yeah.
Walter?
I would agree with both Ian and Graham on that.
And I think I'd add that we need to also factor in not only who's won, which is Trump, but who's lost, which is to say us.
That is to say the sort of general kind of intellectual, professional, managerial people who sort of thought that the world was basically, history was over and we were administering and trying to manage.
Thank God, thank God, thank God somebody said the truth.
Maybe you read the volume seven, maybe you read volume nine, maybe you read some of my books.
Finally, somebody is saying the truth in Davos.
The rules that were all clear and known and the history was kind of cumulative and that tomorrow, even though we see this tech revolution happening around us, tomorrow is still going to be basically like today with incremental shifts.
That's not how things work and especially not how things work.
At this kind of moment, when a technological transformation is really biting into the economy on all kinds of levels in the transformation.
Technological transformation.
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And I guess I would add, throw into that, that the epitome of the us who is losing here is Europe.
That the European Union and, by and large, its member states have misread the direction where events...
Yeah, in fact, Europeans have really misread everything.
We're going.
Sorry, my mic.
I'm usually pretty loud.
I hope you can hear me.
And that the European Union, the causes that it is interested in, climate, human rights, some others, as well as the methods of diplomacy that it prefers, are simply being gradually kind of marginalized as something new.
Not necessarily something better, but something new.
Definitely not something better for you guys.
Just a quick, just on Europe, as the European on the panel, you know, I do think this is actually a great opportunity for Europe to sort of, you know, kind of rise itself and get more of its act together.
administration.
So what's more important in the next four years?
We have online.
Hello there.
Hello.
Oh, where are you calling us exactly from?
New York.
New York.
I'm from Brooklyn, New York.
Okay, so what do you think of what we have been discussing today and the rise of...
Actually, I didn't know your show started earlier.
I was going to start at 8 o'clock Eastern Time, so I lost the first half.
No worries.
What do you think, though, of the rise of China's deep seek and this AI race, which, of course, seems to be in favor of the Chinese, who invest very little money with great results?
Well, I don't have much to say, but I wanted to ask you something.
What do you think about the Trump announcement about the biggest investment of Saudi Arabia, $700 billion upward?
One thousand billion dollars.
Okay, Saudi Arabia.
What do you think about that?
Well, I think that nobody talks about...
Well, when it comes, though, to my books, I've always discussed the fact that the Emirates in general and Saudi Arabia have been very much interested in both AI and in robotics.
As you know, in the last few years, they are actually championing the use of future Robocops and so on.
So they know that the future is definitely in AI. Even if they're getting closer to BRICS, as you know, I think that they still don't trust the Chinese with giving all their resources and all their security in the hands of something like DeepSeek.
So maybe that's the reason why they want to help in the development of AI on this side of the world rather than in China.
Because ultimately we know that Chinese values will in some way be filtered through DeepSeek and through their establishment of artificial intelligence.
And of course that's what I've always seen as cyber-Satan, as the satanic side of the development of artificial intelligence.
However, here in America now, with Donald J. Trump, we hope for an AI that respects what our Our values, our ideology.
Let's for a moment see how the different forms of AI have developed depending on who develops them.
Now, I'm sure that if Trump is the one behind controlling these developments, he's not going to develop an AI that starts promoting transgenderism, woke values or leftist values.
So that's my hope, at least.
I hope you understand that we are here trying to face the lesser bad when it comes down to AI, because AI is for me a technology that inevitably will bring to some compromises and with transhumanism inevitably will bring to some very...
I mean, it could definitely lead us to Satan, to cyber-Satan.
That's why I wrote volume 6.66, volume 7, volume 9. Which of these books did you read?
I wanted to ask you, based on what you just said, can you talk about the connection between Trump and Elon Musk and what Elon Musk said a few years ago about AI being a demonic?
Um, Saturday or whatever you want, you want to call it?
Okay, this is, I think, a great question, a question that requires also a good answer.
The actual phrase, I mean, I have cited Elon Musk at the beginning of volume 6.66 because he has, in a way, always warned about even his own developments.
And when it comes down to the AI, he said that basically, you know, His own understanding of AI was that we, the AI, were summoning the demon.
In all those stories, and this I'm quoting Elon Musk, he said we were the guy with the pentagram and the holy water.
It's like, yeah, he's sure he's going to control the demon, but it doesn't work out.
Now, we know that controlling also the genie that comes out of the bottle in the Islamic tradition is not always easy.
If not impossible and always leads to some problems.
Now the future of humanity is definitely fought in the battlefield of technology rather than in Eastern Europe or the Middle East or in the future in Taiwan.
So the actual launch of this recent project has actually upset Musk because Musk himself would like to be the protagonist of such a development.
However, like I just said, we need to have a different kind of mentality in the development of something that is countering the actions of China.
We need to say to people like Musk, Zuckerberg, Altman, anybody in this field, this needs to be done at zero cost For national security.
Because that's what it is.
Saying 500 billion, and I understand that Elon Musk was rightly critical about this immense sum, but at the same time he should...
But he still promotes this.
So one moment he is critical about the AI, another moment he promotes it.
No, but in fact the problem with the...
It's a conflict of interest.
Absolutely.
And I think...
It doesn't make sense.
It makes sense also the conflict of interest that he has with China, because Elon Musk seems to be also a bit too close with China because he has interest in China.
I mean, he builds a certain path, certain components, certain things in China.
So can we trust Elon Musk?
No, we can't trust Samatma.
We can't trust anybody.
But that's why...
We have to understand.
Trump is now the president of all Americans.
And if this is a matter of national security, then that should prevail over any political differences.
It's a little bit like yesterday when we saw Trump arriving here in California.
I mean...
Up until a couple of hours before, he was dictating conditions.
But when you are in front of a disaster of immense proportions, yes, you can tell them, of course, how things need to be done.
And also for the future, he needs to impose that arrival of water from Northern California.
But at the same time, you cannot transform a disaster in a political thing.
Trump needs to be Trump and work out the art of the deal, also put China back in its place, and also with TikTok.
If TikTok wants to continue, it has to become 50% American, but also it has to limit the data arriving in China because that will only benefit the further development of Chinese AI. I am not trusting Elon Musk.
I'm not trusting anybody in Silicon Valley.
I don't trust any billionaire.
But I trust Trump because Trump is a person that has demonstrated with facts that he's capable of working even with the enemy and making people reason.
The art of the deal is made out of reasoning even with the enemies.
So Davos admits now.
You have heard it yourself.
What, making deals with the devil?
No, not with the devil, but when you live in the United States of America, you are the president of all Americans, even those assholes who live here in California and amongst us, you know, our neighbors.
But, I mean, the thing is that you are the president of all Americans, but, of course, this must be the revolution of common sense.
So bringing back common sense, and hopefully we will be able...
To have a technology which is at the same level, if not superior, and put it to the service of God rather than Satan.
With China, it's inevitable that they are a godless country.
I'm sorry to say, that is Satanism.
Communism is Satanism, and they are godless.
So if they become the AI leaders, that's Satan's leadership.
That's different here.
In America, we can still...
Work out all this.
So thank you so much.
I hope it's going to be a lot better with this new administration.
But what I worry is that, you know, once that's four years, it's going to be over.
Don't you think it's going to change?
No, I think that this change, if Americans are happy with it, will move on with maybe J.D. Vance, with a successor to Trump.
I don't think that, really, after I've seen how America has reacted to the last four years, I don't think that the Democrats have a chance to ever come back to power.
Even how they have reasoned yesterday when Trump puts facts in front of them.
When you are actually telling them, with all your restrictions, with all your rules, with all your things, you have ruined the state.
California was a beautiful state.
But if you leave 160 million trees who are dead without...
Removing them because of environmental issues or environmental friendly groups and all this bullshit, you are putting the safety of millions of people at risk.
People here in California now finally are opening their eyes to that.
That's why we had 107,000 people here in Coachella in October.
That's why in Los Angeles, I bet the next election will see the biggest defeat for the Democrat Party because they have I mean, they have got so low.
There wasn't even water in the hydrants.
They are incompetent.
They give more importance to a transgender cafe than the security and the well-being of people.
They will pay, of course, politically.
You should be the governor.
But the problem is that to be the governor, to be a senator or anything in America, you need money.
That is the problem.
Because I don't have money.
I don't have the money to run.
Well, I had the connections in Italy and I ran in Italy at the time.
Here in America, I have some connections, but mostly with people even in the Trump administration that, of course, they praise my work as a writer, as a journalist.
But, I mean, they still give too much importance to money.
If you don't have money, you don't have a voice.
That's the big problem here.
Things can change.
I hope.
People have to change.
I hope that will happen and I hope maybe one day common sense will bring us also to some politicians who care about the people rather than their own interests.
Because one of the problems that we have these days is that every time they arrive in Washington, You know, the swamp, they drown in the swamp made out of military industrial complex, big pharma interests and all the rest.
I hope that this is the start of a new era because we have seen that for the first time a politician is doing promises made, promises kept.
And amongst other things, we have seen the last few days, the great Tom Homan, for example, who has started the deportation.
I mean, Tom Homan is a guy I held in high esteem, who actually has my friendship on Facebook a few years back, and we became friends in that way.
He's a guy that I think is doing the best for America.
And in fact, let me play a clip here of Tom Holman.
And thank you for intervening in our show.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
God bless.
Tom Holman, a message to Pope Francis.
Pope this week said that it's a disgrace what we're now doing with this new government, deporting all of these people.
We've got, you know, obviously there's going to be a lot of Media searching for the sad stories here, trying to turn public opinion against this operation.
What's your message to the American people as you guys do this work?
Well, let me give a message to the Pope.
I'm a lifelong Catholic.
I was born Catholic.
I've been through Catholic doctrine.
Look, he only concentrated on the Catholic Church, first of all.
He's got big problems there.
And the Vatican, they have a wall around the Vatican.
If you enter the Vatican...
The crime is serious.
You'll be charged with a serious crime in jail.
So he can protect the Vatican where he lives.
He can build a wall where he lives where American people are not allowed that?
No.
Securing the border saves lives.
He needs to understand that.
We secure the border.
When less people come, less women get raped by the cartel.
Less children die in the river.
Less Americans die from fentanyl overdoses.
He ought to stick to it.
He ought to stick to the Catholic Church who fits that.
That's a mess.
That's exactly right.
And we did the details on the wall that's around the Vatican, and it's even nicer than Trump's wall, for as much as Trump likes his wall.
The wall around the Vatican is really, really impressive.
Tom Homan, good to see you, sir.
Great, Tom Homan.
Wow, guys.
I think that the best memory that could be done in this moment when it comes to Tom Homan is...
Let's see if I can find it, because this is...
Now, this is great.
You know, there was this guy, the last few days, they showed a lot this image of this Haitian guy.
I'm not going back to Haiti!
Thank you, Obama!
Joe Biden!
Well, this is...
Well, he's wrong.
He's going back to Haiti.
Come on!
Tom Oman, the best!
A hero.
A hero.
He's OG. He's great.
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