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Sept. 9, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show
01:41:59
EX-CIA AGENT ADMITS LEO ZAGAMI WAS RIGHT!!!
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Hello everyone, it's Michael Jacob with Unleashing Intuition Secrets, joined once again by Leo Zagami, best-selling author.
He's got a new bestseller.
It's absolutely phenomenal.
I've been reading.
I think everyone, like we were talking before the show, I think everyone should read this book.
Confessions of Illuminati, Volume 11, The Past, Present and Future of Mind Control from Sun Tzu to MKUltra and beyond.
I read the first chapter.
It's phenomenal.
I've never seen the information put together so well, Leo.
So fabulous job.
Good job.
Thank you so much.
Well, I'm really glad that somebody who also had a professional experience with psychological relations During your time when you served, of course, you know the importance of it, but also the misunderstanding that surrounds the subjects in many ways.
And we have a continuous kind of urban legend being built around it.
Since the very early stages of the Internet, it seems this is one of the favorite topics of everybody dwelling in some form of conspiracy or another.
However, there is a reality out there that this book fully demonstrates, as you know, with documents and testimonies that are verifiable, that actually at times surpasses even what people have in mind.
And the thing that more astonishes me is how comes in the 1950s Americans have probably a better understanding of this subject than the Americans in 2024, who are Constantly under the radar of some kind of psychological operation or cognitive warfare, but they seem to just, okay, fine, whatever.
It doesn't concern me when in reality it concerns them, it concerns everybody.
And I think it's also about Our mental health.
We are seeing these mass shootings over and over again and they always and only address the problem as a problem regarding the gun issue.
But like I show in this book, it's also regarding what the big pharma has tried to do in the last few decades by pushing all these antidepressants, even to children in school that have been the latest victims of some kind of, let's say, A form of mind control during the pandemic, without going into the detail, because I know that you might be broadcasting maybe on a platform and might create some problems regarding it.
Oh no, we're on Rumble, so you can say whatever you want.
Okay, well, as we are on Rumble, I will clearly say... Everyone's like, oh yeah, that doesn't affect me.
Well, look at the COVID-19.
That was definitely mind control.
And you brought up a good point in your book, and I was like, yes.
9-11.
So you have really... COVID-19 has been the biggest psyop since 9-11.
I mean, we can say that basically COVID-19 has been the 9-11 of the big pharma industry, while instead 9-11 has been, of course, a great joy for the military-industrial complex.
So these two things, you know, these two great realities that unfortunately are part of the American dream in one way or another, believe it or not, I mean, America is built on the military-industrial complex, as well as what happened with the big pharma.
However, today, the whole thing is getting out of control.
I mean, in the 1950s, they started gradually putting through this new thing of the antidepressants, which, of course, then in the 1980s with floxetine and later on also ritalin, these medicines are then in the 1980s with floxetine and later on also ritalin, these medicines are basically built by the big pharma, also for people returning from wars, because they might have some post-traumatic
And so then they say, OK, we give you the solution for the problem that they have created in the first place.
So that's why they really work hand in hand, the big pharma and the middle industrial complex, sadly.
Oh, absolutely.
And, you know, in chapter one, you talk about the origins of mind control.
I thought that was really fascinating because I love the historical aspect of how this comes forward.
So the birth of hypnotism, magnetic, animal magnetism.
I was like, oh, wow, these guys have deeper insights than they let on to let us know, to understand.
all these different, you know, realities that are out there that we could tap into, but they keep it secret so they can use it against us.
Yeah, because then you see, you have mind control, you have brainwashing, you have different forms of mind control.
And when you're talking about animal magnetism is something that of course nowadays is better known as the ultimate result of it, which is hypnotism.
However, nowadays they are also confirming the validity of the initial theory that was put through by Franz Anton Mesmer, who of course inspired the word mesmerism, which is used in our vocabulary daily by people who don't have a clue who Franz Anton Mesmer was.
But in regards to animal magnetism, today we recognize that the body emanates magnetism, It's subject to the magnetic fields around us.
And actually Michael Aquino, who I, as you know, cite also in this book, because Michael Aquino was Beyond his reality as a sectarian member of the Church of Satan, and then he established his own Temple of Satan, he was of course immersed in occultism, rituals and so on.
He was also a specialist, as you know, of psychological warfare, and for that reason, it's interesting, the word he coined for this, he says, Homo Electromagneticus, which means A man who is made of electromagnetism.
And in a way, we go back to what Mesmer said a long time before.
So here we are with new technology, which is actually the future of mind control, especially the technology that was announced in July of this year, coming out of South Korea.
which is called nanomind, which deals with a brain that is finally now completely mapped.
You see, before it was impossible to really map the human brain.
But nowadays, with the latest technology, this is no longer impossible.
And the experiments they have conducted on mice at the moment, at least that's what they say.
Probably they're already on an advanced stage in human research with humans.
When they announce that kind of thing, it means they're already at the next level of the research.
So, it's about identifying that specific part of the brain that can affect, in a way that is not so invasive, because nanoparticles are not invasive.
They're not like something you have to necessarily implant in your body.
You can have incredible results.
I mean, you can literally transform a human being in a robot.
Now, when it comes to implants, my book, and you will be surprised to read this probably at the end of the book, so you are far from it at the moment because you're still at the first chapter, but when you're going to go further on in the book, you will realize that already in the 1960s there was a very advanced knowledge of electrodes inserted in the brain.
I'm not talking here about a brain-computer interface.
I'm not talking about some kind of advanced connection that could be, but still it could be triggered from the outside because certain substances placed in a specific part of your brain, even when the brain was still a mystery, they knew that, for example, in the front lobe, you have a certain kind of aggressivity.
If you place something even minimal there, people who have, for example, accidents happening to their skull and they are injured, they might then have some consequences later on in their mental health.
At the same time, we know that there is ancient practices by shamans who deliberately injure their skull to have a somehow different awareness.
So when I talk about this subject in particular, I refer also to the manufacturing of what was known since the 1950s as the Manchurian Candidate, Ideal assassin that could eventually be triggered at will, a sleeper agent of sorts.
And that, of course, was well described in the film with Frank Sinatra from 1962 that, by the way, was then censored for over 20 years after the death of JFK.
I mean, this was a movie that came out when JFK was still alive.
And actually Sinatra asked JFK permission to move forward with this project.
So later on, though, because of the similarities that this movie had with the reality of what happened, we have, of course, Ben Marco, who is this superior in the military intelligence, which is Frank Sinatra.
And then you have Lawrence Harvey, which is a Raymond Shaw, this brainwashed subject, who is then triggered to kill the presidential nominee that in that case is basically based on McCarthy.
McCarthy was the ultimate hater of communism.
McCarthyism came out of it.
So they built this whole movie around the fact that the communists wanted to kill McCarthy.
McCarthy, of course, was never I don't think he was ever somebody who wanted to reach the presidency of the United States, but it was built around his character.
And there is, of course, then the 2004 movie with Denzel Washington.
In that movie, it's the actual object of the assassination instead is no longer a Republican, but he's a Democrat.
You see, in the Manchurian candidates, it was the Republicans, and it was a Republican candidate who was the subject of this attempted assassination, because in the end, the protagonist, he turns around and shoots his programmers, because Frank Sinatra had managed to reprogram him at the last minute.
And you can actually see this.
Programming was done through hypnosis.
We know that, of course, the novel, the Manchurian Candidate novel that came out before the movie, at the end of the 50s, has even some more details about this battalion, this platoon, sorry, of people who are brought in Manchuria to be brainwashed.
Some of the details in the novel are not present in the movie.
One of the most interesting ones was that the protagonist, Raymond Shaw, is given extra sex drive because in reality, before being brainwashed, he's just a very timid kind of guy.
But after he becomes this, you know, this guy who always wants to have sex.
But apart from that, the change in his character, There is never really a mention of the implants, of a possible implant.
One instead, in the Manchurian Candidate 2004, we find the implants.
We find the mention, an open mention of a possible implant that is inserted in the brain.
And so when we go back to what happened with JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald being a Manchurian Candidate, In my book, I explain how Howard Hunt,
who was this CIA master control and manipulator who was present in Texas at the moment of the who was this CIA master control and manipulator who was present in Texas at the moment of the assassination in Dallas, and the assassination happened, you know, and the country of Thomas Crookes and the assassination
Now, everything that we know from many years of research, decades of speculation, is always focused on the fact that if Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or didn't act alone.
And the same thing seems to happen with every lone gunman between braggarts, because they are all very suspicious kind of characters who seem to be acting out of a will which is not their own.
But rather than focusing on the second shooter option, or the first shooter option, or how many shooters there were that day in Dallas or in Butler, Pennsylvania, I will focus more on the fact that this subject seems to be mentally programmed.
Now, in the 1950s, when Lee Harvey Oswald was a military, he definitely went through some kind of programming because apparently he was himself a volunteer of the MKUltra program in the early stages when he was in Japan, when he was stationed in Japan.
And in fact a lot of people question the fact how did Lee Harvey Oswald even pay For an airplane ticket at that time, super expensive to arrive in the Soviet Union.
Apparently he got the thousand dollars from the usual suspects who then positioned him there and then let him come back to America with another few thousand dollars that were given to him and his wife who apparently was also A Russian connected to the military because her uncle was a colonel or something.
So, I mean, you don't... Well, that kind of takes us back to Lenin who basically had Pavlov start this whole process of mind controlling the whole populace.
Yeah, even Pavlov is really, as you know, the opening chapter of my book is dedicated very much to him and his research on conditioning because He went from some very basic experiments with his dogs based on food, the use of a bell, the fact that the dogs are very much conditioned by what the owners does.
The owner might take the leash in his hands and at that point they start wiggling their tail and they come and follow you because they say, wow, this is the time I'm going to go out.
I mean, it's a reaction.
He went from these very basic experiments in conditioning to more complex ones.
And when eventually his research became known to Vladimir Lenin, who had started, of course, this massive experiment, which was the Soviet Union, because the Soviet Union was a massive experiment.
It was the first country to adopt this ideology of communism.
They didn't have any certainty on how the implementation of a theory on a mass scale would actually work.
And in the end, after many decades, when the Soviet Union was dismantled, they realized that the experiment was a failure.
This was actually what they told me personally in Russia, a colonel from the GRU.
So, I mean, it's like a direct experience that I'm talking about.
But at the time of Pavlov, It seemed that Lenin could use Pavlov, because conditioning could be not only for dogs, but could also for humans.
So he gave Pavlov the possibility of experimenting with humans.
He started to use those techniques that Pavlov had elaborated for the dogs on humans.
And apparently it worked out because it was so successful that Pablo's experiments started, you know, his aura, his fame started to go also abroad.
And so people in America, people in Great Britain, they wanted to experiment with what Pablo was doing themselves.
So in the 1920s, they actually Also started a certain kind of experiment based on what Spavolos was doing also abroad.
And these experiments in conditioning was the first stage of these experiments.
But the interesting thing about the Manchurian Candidate we just cited, I don't know if you remember this movie, there is that opening scene where basically Sinatra, the other protagonists, they are all hypnotized and they are emerged in a reality which is actually not really a reality.
It's a construct of their mind because they see these old women in this Jersey Garden.
In reality, they are in Manchuria in front of a group of Chinese and Soviet scientists.
I think that is a very important seed because there is a series of books and authors that are cited by these people conducting the experiment.
It's not like the 2004 version, which is actually, even the Manchurian thing is kind of like, you know, they call it Manchurian because of an organization that is called that way.
It's not, you know, that's not the case.
The novel and the first game were based on the fact that Manchuria is a place, a place, of course, occupied by the Chinese, where they were doing this, sorry, a place where the Chinese were conducting these experiments on this platoon of soldiers.
Now, Pavlov helped Vladimir Lenin achieve unlimited power over his subjects through these first experiments.
But we were still in the early stages.
Then later on, when the Manchurian Candida comes around, there is actually a mention of Pavlov in the movie, as well as in the novel.
Those scientists which are shown at the beginning that are hypnotizing and forcing Raymond Shaw to kill somebody by strangling him, That, it's actually said, they are the high Pavlovians, they are the ones that have brought forward even further the experiments of Pavlov.
So there was a big scare generated, I think, by the Soviet Union and China and the fact that they could be brainwashing the soldiers, the POWs that were coming back from Korea.
The way of basic reacting, though, was to then create in the early stages, immediately after the Second World War, Project Artichoke, Project Bluebird and eventually Project MKUltra from 1953 to 1973.
This is the time span, the official time span.
And that's why it's going back to what we have discussed earlier.
The urban legends around MKUltra.
We have to be realistic about the fact that this program is being long gone.
It's the past.
There is already many other realities in this mind war, as Aquino called it, and technology that connects with mind control that have gone much further than what MKUltra was trying to work on.
Because they didn't have the technology.
MKUltra was based on hypnotism and the use of drugs.
Some kind, some form of implants also, electrodes that were inserted in the brain, that is part of the experimentation that never came out publicly, because as you know, very conveniently in 1973, it was all closed down.
And also the documents themselves were eliminated, were eliminated by an overzealous director of the CIA, who took advantage of the great paranoia that was surrounding the Watergate scandal and said, OK, we need to destroy all this.
I mean, what is the connection between Watergate and mind control?
Is there a connection?
In reality, I found that connection, Michael.
There is a connection, because, you know, I was like, why?
So what is the connection here?
And so I went into the research of this connection, and in the end, the connection is this gentleman here, which we cited just earlier, which is Howard Hunt.
This guy, I mean, just for his sunglasses in front of the commission, he should win a Nobel, I don't know what, a Nobel Prize.
I mean, this guy is a spooky Nobel Peace Prize that she invented only for him.
Very spooky, very spooky.
But Howard Hunt, is also the alleged author of this book.
Now, this book is impossible to find.
I dare you to find it.
It's like... I had to go through a lot to eventually find a copy made out of it.
And it's a very rare book, came out in 1967.
1967, nobody knew anything about MKUltra.
MKUltra comes to the public eye in 1975.
Before that, nobody knew anything about Anki Ultra and all its sub-projects.
So what is written in that book is mind-blowing.
Truly, mind-blowing.
I mean, in fact, he doesn't sign it with his own name.
He doesn't sign it at Harvard.
He signs it with this nickname, alias, that he created for himself.
And, but I must say that it's very interesting what is being reported in this book, and so that's why I cite it.
And I think that his name, the name of the author, those who are interested in finding it, is Lawrence, Lawrence, Lincoln Lawrence, this mysterious Lincoln Lawrence.
But at the same time, Lincoln Lawrence is said to be our time.
Who at the same time is said to have been the head of operations during the Dallas murder of JFK, and who himself testimonied at the end of his life on his deathbed that he had been involved.
What comes out of the research that is shown in this book that was never published and republished again?
I mean, it's just a book that appears once in the 1967 edition, and then it's kind of scraped off the map.
But it tells us a story of implants that goes back to the 1920s in Russian style.
I mean, I'm not talking, of course, we always have to be very specific here.
We're not talking about BCIs, brain computer interface.
We're not talking about anything sophisticated.
I'm talking about electrodes.
that I inserted in the brain, in the specific part of the brain that can be triggered by electromagnetic fields that then bring you to have that reaction.
Interesting.
So, you know, I've seen, you know, I follow RFK Jr.
over the years, and he's made statements that the CIA basically, they killed his father, you know, and I've seen Sirhan Sirhan say, you know, in court, you can see the statements where he says, yeah, I, I, I plead guilty because I killed him.
So he did interviews many years later and he says, I have no memory of killing Kennedy and I don't remember anything I said in court.
So it's kind of like what you're talking about.
They, they have something, uh, you know, with these Manchurian candidates that they activate them, the right program.
then they withdraw it or that field of energy, electromagnetism that you're talking about, possibly.
Well, you see, I want to just give an example.
I mean, electrodes are an electrical conductor used to make contact with a non-metallic part of a circuit.
Now, if we include this kind of like a semiconductor, an electrolyte inside the brain in a specific part, and we activate it, knowing that that will trigger a reaction, an aggressive knowing that that will trigger a reaction, an aggressive reaction or a specific reaction.
Well, that is, I mean, it's not impossible that that technology was already in place at the time of ERVO, but that's why I wanted to Debate about... I wanted to discuss this whole thing.
The problem with the book that I cited, though, there is always a problem when you have, you know, a book published by a CIA agent who, of course, is doing also the interest of the agency.
He's not only doing the interest of the readers.
So the interest of the agency is always to blame Russia.
And of course, he, if it is Howard Hunt, The guy who authored We Were Controlled, he specifically says that when Lee Harvey Oswald reached Russia, he was operated in Russia.
Now, that might be something the CIA wanted to kind of bring out, you know, the fact that, oh, yeah, but blame it on the Russians.
I mean, you can talk about this technology and it's very detailed in that book.
I mean, it's not like It's no speculation.
It's about experiments conducted during the last... But when you are accusing Russia, you are at that point, you know, the CIA said, okay, you can tell this partial truth, the truth, but you have to blame it on the Russians.
It's instead much more possible that he was inserted this implant before going to Russia.
It's possible that he came back from Russia with it.
And that it was eventually activated together with whatever form of hypnosis or programming they had done around him, when he eventually then went and killed JFK.
When it comes to Serum Serum, which, of course, he doesn't remember anything.
But we know that Bob Kennedy was, as well as his brother, there were two people who had created some problem for the deep state.
Now, I have a book here.
This is a notebook, Kennedy Justice.
It talks about basically Kennedy and his involvement with the Department of Justice and everything that he conducted, done during his time.
I mean, here we're talking about that Kennedy is getting really involved with what today are the obvious enemies of Donald J. Trump, if you think about it.
RFK Junior, two hours after the attempted assassination, receives a call from Trump.
Because Trump, I mean, he could have become another victim of this long series of deep state victims that since the time of JFK we have seen.
I mean, of course, the brother Bobby, Martin Luther King, Even John Lennon, we can add John Lennon to the list, and many others that in a way have become troubling, politically speaking, have become... they needed to be eliminated, to say it really in a very open way.
They were not convenient for the system.
Now, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., We know himself now has been also taken away the protection of the Secret Service after he gave his endorsement to Trump.
I think that is really outrageous.
I mean, here we're talking about a guy who comes from a family of people who have been all killed and now suddenly he gets taken away the protection We know that RFK Jr.
had to spend a lot of money on his own security detail before he was then eventually granted, after a lot of problems, the security detail by the Biden administration.
But this is obvious.
It's like a retortion against RFK.
OK, you are supporting Trump.
We're going to take away your security detail.
Now you are on your own.
Having said that, I personally don't trust the Secret Service today because we have seen what happened in Battle of Pennsylvania.
I mean, they sent agents who were not properly trained with two hours training on a webinar.
They were not even Secret Service operatives, but Homeland Security agents.
This is absolutely insane what has happened.
One of the main questions around the Kenya assassination, however, It's always whether he was acting alone or he was the only person shooting the president in Dallas that November day in 1963, or if he had other people.
I've done shows with Leo.
I've done shows with, who is it?
Geez, the guy we had on before.
So I've had him on a lot of shows.
I'll think of his name in a minute.
But anyway, he's been on my shows and he's talked about how James Files was behind the fence.
So, you know, there's definitely he's done a lot of research in it.
And there's definitely a lot of people that have been involved, I think, in that.
Even former President Bush, you know, was was there on that on that day.
So, I think there's a lot more involvement, CIA type, that they're willing to... Well, I mean, the fact that they never have revealed all the archives in their fullest, that they keep on maintaining the secret even after this supposedly secret was expired, because we were meant to have the whole unveiling of the archives already, Back in Trump's presidency, and it didn't happen.
It didn't happen in Biden's presidency, who still have released a little bit more, but still preserved a lot of content.
So why are they doing that?
I mean, why is it not possible?
I don't think it will ever be sincerely possible for us to have access to the whole archives regarding this.
Oh no, no way.
I was thinking Olay Demaguard.
remember did a show together with him.
Ole Demogard, Leo Zagami and Juan Osaevan together.
Oh my God, that was quite a show.
Yeah.
No, I mean, regarding Matthew Crooks, we have to understand that he was the son of a guy who is trained as a psychologist, Thomas, Matthew Crooks, the father.
We are talking about two licensed therapists.
We're talking about two social workers.
I mean, people who are supposed to help people who have mental problems and mental issues of this kind.
And you don't give a gun to a guy who has mental issues.
Unless you want him to kill somebody.
Unless you want him to kill somebody.
And it's also these double standards, you see.
He gives a gun to Thomas, to his son.
He gives a gun to his son, and then the same exact thing happens with this guy who committed a couple of days ago, a few days ago, the shooting in a school, and he gets arrested.
This other guy doesn't get arrested.
Why?
What is the double standard?
The fact that he was about to kill Trump?
And so that makes him a different kind of assassin.
His father, sorry, his name is Matthew.
Matthew Brian Crooks was seen, and I talk about this in my book, two times publicly that we know about because of Fox Digital filming him.
Once on the 23rd of July in front of a supermarket, And another time, I think six days later, also in front of the office of his lawyers, and he was going around with a woman covered with a mask that allegedly, I mean, supposed to be also the wife.
On the 23rd of July, we noticed that he's coming out of a supermarket, filled with food and stuff, on the day which coincides With his son, and this we have discovered thanks to a representative of the Republican Party who went there to battle Pennsylvania at the beginning of August, it was the day he was cremated.
Now, if your son is cremated, I don't think you will go to a supermarket and buy a lot of food filling up a hole.
I mean, I would not personally have the courage to go out of the house.
I would probably, I don't know if I would even eat.
Psychologically, I would not react in that way.
And the way he reacted was very rude, especially the second time, a week, like six days later on the 20th, I think the 29th, he was filmed in front of, and he actually says, Oh, I have to pee.
You know, like in a disrespectful way to the journalist who is trying to ask question.
Okay.
You can say no comment.
I have to pee.
Your son has killed the guy, Hiro, the 5th Brigade guy.
He has attempted to kill the President of the United States.
At least have a different kind of demeanor.
It was a little bit weird, this Matthew Bryan Crooks and the way he acted.
Not only because, like I said, he was a licensed health professional who should have known better than to give the to his son.
But the fact that he was cremated, this son, we will never know if the son was on drugs.
We will never know if the son had any implants in him.
Or if it was even the son.
Well, that could be, you know, but I'm talking strictly regarding the facts that we have.
There are already enough to speculate that something was very wrong.
I mean, I also explained at the end of the book, when you are having your, you know, this battle of Pennsylvania held at the same time, they are actually about to kick-start the cremation of care ritual at the Bohemian Grove, which is notoriously fueled with military industrial complex people.
And there was the husband of Nancy Pelosi there, with a few generals present in the Bohemian Grove, all watching TV, hoping that... Oh, wow!
I never knew that the military was at Bohemian Grove.
That's interesting.
No, they have an encampment.
You see, there is The collection of the Bohemian Grove is made of different encampments.
As you know, it's the official event, one of the two yearly events they conduct, the Bohemian Club.
But there is, for each category, like if you are an industrialist, you have the encampment for the industrialists.
If you have the military industrial conference, you have the encampment for the military.
If you are from the entertainment world, you have another encampment.
So they kind of like section them.
Never heard this before.
Cool.
So the fact that it happened when the cremation of Kerr was in this year, the cremation of Kerr was a big spectacle.
In fact, I have actually published in the book, if you notice at the end of the book, also the flyer of this year, which, by the way, this is the flyer of this year.
And the guy who directed it, because, you know, it is a play.
It is.
They don't sacrifice any babies or anything real, but it's all, you know.
But however, this year it was conducted by Jack Myers.
He was the director of it.
So this is, seems, I mean, a little bit far-fetched that this is just a coincidence that this was taking place.
And remember, 10 days exactly after the 13th, And the 13th is already a particular number, as we know.
Always considered a curse number here in the Anglo-Saxon world, connected, of course, to Friday the 13th, mostly because of the 9th temper.
But the 13th is a number that here in America they don't even put in the list and stuff.
So the 13th is the number of the Tarot addressed to death.
Okay.
I see there's in chapter two, you have a title in there where it says Satanism and their cult origins in the MK Ultra.
So it seems like it all ties together.
Absolutely.
But then it ties together with the fact that the number 23 is the number favorite of the Illuminati.
And on the 23, it's Thomas Crooks himself that has his body cremated.
That's another cremation of care.
They cared to cremate him to get away the evidence mostly, you know what I mean?
So the satanic connections are the following regarding MKUltra and regarding mind control.
We know that magic and the occult have a lot of similarities with some aspects of mind control.
It was Madame Blavatsky who said that hypnotism was the most important form of magic.
I mean, black magic is about something that is negative, and hypnosis could become negative if you are controlling somebody else.
Now, the actual The book I wrote goes, like you said, through the early history of animal magnetism and hypnotism because it's directly connected to the Illuminati, the Order of the Illuminati of Adam Bishop.
I mean, Franz Adolf Messmer was a family friend of Adam Bishop's father before him.
He was not just a guy who joined the Illuminati.
He was like a family friend.
So it was a little bit more, you know, there was some kind of direct connection.
There was also another famous hypnotist involved in the Illuminati, Count Cagliostro, and I, in fact, as you know, mentioned also the movie by Orson Welles, Black Magic, from 1949, where we see Orson Welles, you know, mimicking the ultimate hypnotist with his eyes, you know, and trying to... Now, people have to understand, hypnosis is not always possible.
That's why MKUltra worked not only on hypnosis and on brainwashing with the help of drugs, which makes it possible.
LSD and so forth.
CI experimentation.
Yeah.
Ash issue.
So let's start from, you know, we discussed the last time.
That is another thing that in this book I think is unique.
The assassins were dissected that influenced tremendously the night stampers, and they made use of mind control techniques in their initiations.
That is another thing that in this book I think is unique.
The fact that I don't show only the mind control, of course, of the masses, the side of the cognitive warfare, which is the latest diabolism, which is coming out of NATO, which now has created this command center in Norfolk, Virginia, dedicated to mind controlling the whole of NATO.
I don't know if you heard about that.
It's like this officer from France, this French officer who has launched in 2021 the Project for Cognitive Warfare of NATO.
We are talking about things that go bad.
I mean, in my book, we were discussing it just before we started the show.
We start with Sun Tzu.
Sun Tzu is about psychological operation.
It's not necessarily about brainwashing.
It's not necessarily about brainwashing because brainwashing is something you have to have the subject in front of you.
Mind control is a more vague Brainwashing is a more personal thing, a more direct thing.
that can be adopted to all the people who are influenced in any ways, also by psychological operations that can be conducted through the media, the internet, the radio, the TV, everything.
Brainwashing is a more personal thing, it's a more direct thing.
I have to capture you as a soldier and then brainwash you using all kinds of coercive techniques.
And those techniques might include also hypnotism, the use of drugs, There was this constant belief that ultimately people through the use of drugs will spill the beans, will tell everything they knew.
You know, they were maybe with LSD.
But it didn't really, that experimentation didn't really result in what they wanted because in the end they understood that there is probably more subtle ways of mind-controlling people and eventually bringing them to the same result without being so invasive.
And that was also a understanding in the new concept of mind war of Michael Aquino, who launched in 1980 the psychology of victory with then Vallelli, who then became later on
This opinionist on Fox News, Papalelli, is a military who decided with Aquino to experiment new options in psychological warfare that could be eventually also directed to the domestic audience.
Because another important thing that I explain in this book, the domestic audience Up until 2012, before the Smith-Mundt Reformation Act, we were legally protected 100% from any attempt of psychological operation or mind control within the United States.
You could not conduct this kind of operations against American citizens.
This changed suddenly in 2012.
Now, it's not completely like they took away this Smith & Mund law from 1948, which passed during the Truman era.
But they have put there an amendment that gives them the possibility, because they said, oh, we have Al-Qaeda, ISIS, that are trying to target and sign up our own Arab minority, Persian minority here in America.
We have to do something to stop them.
So we need to react and do our own psyops, to counter psyops.
Okay?
And so with this excuse, they opened the Pandora's box for Obama of inflicting PSYOPs on the American population.
It's sad.
Yeah.
Sad.
And Michael Aquino, you're tying in the military and the, you know, the satanic side, because Michael Aquino, basically a colonel in the army, Psychological operations, I think.
Yeah, he retired as a lieutenant colonel in the army.
At the time, he was a major in the 7th battalion that at the time, in 1980, was stationed in San Francisco.
Now, they're stationed in another city here in California.
They moved out of San Francisco.
I guess nobody wants to stay in San Francisco, even the psy-warriors.
They find it probably too dangerous.
But what happened was this.
You see, there was a lot of interest after the end of MKUltra to create something different.
The scandals that MKUltra made, you know, in 1975, when they instituted the Church Commission, everything that went through the media, the fact that suddenly everybody was discussing, oh, the CIA was doing these experiments, they have no ethics, no morals.
In a way, inspire people like Aquino, who wanted to find... I mean, I don't know if you know about Paul Ibalelli, but Paul Ibalelli is a retired United States Army Major General.
He was a former senior military analyst for Fox News, and it's him who commissions Aquino with this paper that becomes very inspirational.
And at the same time, there were also other experiments.
In 1980, I think, in the fall of 1980, Military Review publishes an article by another important friend and collaborator of Aquino, who became also a member of the Temple of Seth, John B. Alexander.
Another important military figure.
It's not only Aquino, because people focus on Aquino.
They often focus too much on the presidio case, which, of course, the military covered him.
They covered him for that scandal.
I'm sure that he had something to do with that case.
I knew personally Aquino.
In fact, I published in this book just one of the main emails we exchanged because we had, you know, when I was A member of the Illuminati full on, a member of the Monte Carlo Lodge.
I had a correspondence with Aquino regularly.
We exchanged a lot of... especially we talked about Theosophy, because he was fixated with Theosophy.
I was a member at the time also of the Theosophical Society.
We talked about mind control.
He described himself as an Orwellian.
And, you know, I was in a different mindset.
I was much younger.
Having said that, I always thought that Aquino was creepy.
But because of the way we worked within the Illuminati at the time, we knew that the guy was a weirdo, but we wanted to guest him in Monte Carlo, in the Principality of Monaco, so he could give a speech to our members.
And he will eventually come back to me saying that it was not possible for him to leave California at that time.
I think that, though, Aquino was particularly influential in NATO circles in the 1980s, especially when, in the early 1980s, he went around Europe.
He conducted that infamous ritual at Bevelsburg Castle in Germany.
And after he conducted that ritual, he would be punished with the scandal erupting after he came back about the Presidio Daycare case that allegedly had him involved with minors.
But this is not the focus of my book.
In my book, my focus is about him as a mind war, psychological warfare expert.
That's what I focus.
I mean, I cite briefly these things, but I say the focus here has to be on his work because his work, you know, I don't know if you know that, but in November 2003, he actually publishes a new edition he actually publishes a new edition of his From Psy-Hop to Mind War, The Psychology of Victory.
And his new edition is rather interesting because it came out after the invasion of Iraq.
And he is like, I'm very glad to say that because he had just retired at that point.
He had just retired.
I'm very glad to say that the psychological operation battalions in place in Iraq, they are conducting the war exactly by following my methodology in all of the operations.
I was like, oh, wow.
So it's very interesting, I think, for people to have a look at this from side of the mind with the psychology of victory, as well as reading also
The book Mind War, which he published later, which also includes a lot of interesting things, because he was also a very early proponent of the use of magnetic fields and technology that, like we said, it's just been announced this year.
So, I mean, he died now a few years ago.
He died a few years ago.
And the interesting thing about Michael, you know, is Even after he died, it was a mystery because people had to request the FOIA Act, through the FOIA Act, to request and ask if Aquino had been dead or not.
It was like a top secret that nobody had to know, you know.
He wanted to become immortal.
He didn't want his death to be ever announced publicly.
I think it was like his last psyop, kind of, you know, he left, he said, OK, I'm going to do one last psyop.
And this is like, you know, another interesting thing about, again, is that in the last few years of his life, he managed through the fact that in Scotland that there is certain titles that are, let's say, on sale.
On the contrary of England where the titles of barons, dukes and stuff are appointed by the queen or the king and the royal house, in Scotland they have a different methodology regarding the aristocratic titles and apparently he had achieved the title of baron of, and this is what really shocked me and I was like, he became baron
of the Campbell clan.
And that is for me a little bit, because I'm from the Campbell.
My mother is Jessica Lyon Campbell Young.
I'm from the Campbell.
It's an important clan in Scotland.
To have Aquino becoming the head of it, I mean, disgraceful.
It's pretty weird because somebody in the chat said that Aquino was, Feinstein was Aquino's neighbor and Nancy was Feinstein's neighbor.
So he lived Obviously, pretty high up for someone in the military, even an officer in the military.
I mean, you don't make that much money.
So he was making some money somewhere else.
Well, you have to understand that this guy had created in the middle of the 70s also his own money machine, because with the Temple of Sept he had the regular income by his members, as well as the connections that these members had that could then deliver him first-hand information on investments, Especially new technology.
And so he probably died with a lot of money.
You know, maybe a lot of cryptocurrency, a lot of things that, you know, might have seemed risky, but not for him because he had, of course, privileged information.
Insider information.
We know that today, one of the main criticisms that is moved against the Pelosi family is that Nancy Pelosi uses inside information to play the stock market.
No, but this happens also not only in the politics.
It can happen also in the military.
It can happen in other environments if they have privilege information.
And so that's what happened with Michael Aquino.
He had definitely the possibility, I think, of acquiring this title because to become the 13th baron of whatever, like here, I think it was something really unusual.
I mean, 13th baron of rock chain.
I mean, how?
I mean, I'm a little bit perplexed myself about a guy who seems to have Italo-American origin.
I don't know, really.
I never really asked him much about his origin.
Probably I should have.
That is something I always regretted when I was in correspondence with him, to not have asked him more about his own origins.
He admits that the present psychological warfare is very much in debt with these techniques.
And we can also see that a lot of the work that he had conducted from that paper onwards, from 1980 onwards, was to bypass those laws that prohibited the use of psychological operations here in the United States.
So he created a more subtle form of a psychological operation, disguising it with this new term of mind war.
And apparently that seemed to work out better.
So I think that definitely he's... but there's also another character that is much less known here in America, which I discuss in my book.
And I think that I will present him to you for the first time here, because I don't think you ever heard of him.
He's called Stefano Benemé.
Now Stefano Benemello is still alive and kicking, unfortunately, has experienced similar things with Michael Aquino.
Michael Aquino actually hold him in high esteem, this guy.
He is a psychologist who has created his own system called dynamic hypnotism, but he's also a satanist, a high level satanist in Italy.
And he openly talks about it, about his involvement with Satanism, as a form of mind control.
He said, basically, that he, in the late 60s, early 70s, he goes to his first Black Mass.
And that's when he understood that the people present at the Black Mass were all mind controlled by The reciting of certain words by the symbols that were used, you know, like you have the pentagram.
It is a very strong symbol.
You can be hypnotized by words, but you can also be hypnotized by symbols.
And so Stefano Benemeglio makes all these experiments and he becomes very well known within the mind control, let's say milieu, He's the founder of the Center of Dynamic Hypnosis and Non-Verbal Communication in Milan, that still exists.
And through him, we have also another guy called Marco Paret, who claims to be using the same techniques as Franz Anton Mesmer, but in a more modern setup.
And he actually coined Neurolinguistic Programming 3.
emerges neurolinguistic programming with mesmerism.
Now, we know that that was another thing that the psi warriors of the U.S. Army tried to do, to include also neurolinguistic programs in their mind control techniques, especially from to include also neurolinguistic programs in their mind control techniques, especially from the end of the 70s with John B. Alexander, when he publishes this paper called The Beam me up, Spock.
It was like, I remember, it was the title of it.
And you should read the article.
You can find it very easily if you just Google it.
And it was apparently one of the most influential articles written because later on, all his, you know, he was talking about psychronics, he was talking about paranormal, about remote viewing.
All this then becomes part of what later on will, of course, be presented by the man who stared at goats, the involvement of Staberdain and all those people.
And I think that, what is your take on the man who stared at goats?
Well, I think it's real, actually.
I think there was a group like that.
You can, you know, influence things through your consciousness.
Can you talk about that a little bit in your book?
That was, I thought it was pretty fascinating.
Chapter one.
I mean, I think that, I mean, I never had the possibility of meeting him directly, but I think that the work that Albert Stabaldin, General Albert Stabaldin, who died, passed away in 2017, was one of the protagonists of Ronson's research in psychic powers because
John Ronson was this guy, this journalist, who does these documentaries called Crazy Rulers of the Worlds in 2004, that then will go on and influence the film, The Man Who Stared at Ghosts, with George Clooney and the whole thing.
But they were based on a real story, on real research.
Goat Lab in Fort Bragg, because Fort Bragg has always been, now it's called what, Fort Liberty, they always change the name, this new, uh, libtard, the changing of the name.
Whatever.
In any case, in Fort Bragg, which has always been considered, I think that's where the 4th Battalion of the PSYOP Warriors is stationed, it's always been like a center for psychological operation.
Just like Fort Detrick.
Fort Detrick, has been a center, and in fact I talk about it in my book, for both biological warfare as well as psychological warfare.
So you have two things, you know?
And there was a goat lab at Fort Bragg in North Carolina where basically there was this legendary master surgeon who allegedly killed the goat by simply staring at it, you know?
But then There is a lot of people who probably never managed to arrive to that level, but I mean, I find it very funny during the movie with George Clooney with the face.
What do you see?
Mind control.
And then, were you scared?
Were you scared?
Yes, you were scared.
Of course, the influence that you can have once you are aware of certain techniques in the context of war.
And let's go back to Sun Tzu.
Sun Tzu, It's like Julius Caesar in military school.
You have to study it.
It's like the art of war.
It's a classic that you have to study if you are an officer in any army in the world.
So then you have Sun Tzu who is basically telling us you have to send in these spies.
You have to disinform the enemy.
You have to inform on what the enemy is doing.
This is the basis of what happened later on, because then we have people like Genghis Khan, who conquered half of the planet using psi-warriors.
So psi-warriors are today a standard.
You have a unit of maybe, it can be 20, 30, 10.
You send them in, in advance.
In the theater of war that you want to, of course, then arrive with your conventional weapons to instigate fear, to drag information, but it's the instigation of fear that is really more of the side of that, no?
Because you arrive and it's like with Genghis Khan.
They were going around saying, Genghis Khan is fearless.
He has an army of a million soldiers.
Maybe the guy has 10,000 soldiers, but Genghis Khan really used mind control.
Even in the battlefield, even Napoleon, and I cited Napoleon because he says you can make more damage with the noise of the soldiers of the ground.
If you make a lot of noise, it's psychological.
Genghis Khan was capable of basically using the same soldiers in four different hills, Yeah.
Now go to the next seal.
Show them you're there.
Show them you're there.
It's like an illusionist.
Where is he?
Where is he?
Wow.
Their old guard was like their special forces guys.
And they, they would like, the whisper was when the old guard came in, the battle was going to be over.
Uh, they tried to use that like you're talking about.
And then, uh, their last battle, uh, where Napoleon lost, uh, Waterloo, the old guard, because he had implemented so many, new people into the old guard, they overwhelmed the numbers and it was not the quality anymore.
So some of the old guards started to retreat.
And then when everybody saw the old guard go, it was like the battle was lost on our way.
So that's when basically everyone retreated.
No, I mean, Napoleon definitely knew about the act of war of Sun Tzu.
And he knew about the famous saying, the supreme act of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
So that's why Napoleon said, I have destroyed the enemy merely with marches, never such a victory been achieved at a lower price, because he knew that the psychology that can be put in place and set in motion during the warfare is equally, if not even more important than the conventional because he knew that the psychology that can be put in place and set It's Because, you know, you can have all the conventional weapons you want, but then if you are... I mean, even today, in Ukraine,
With Zelensky advancing in Kursk, that's a psychological operation.
Because, I mean, you want to enter Russian territory when you can't even defend your own territory?
Why are you doing that?
It's a psychological operation.
You want to investigate terror on the Russian population?
You want to... Bad move.
No one's ever been able to do that.
Personally, I think that Zelensky thinks of himself as some great war hero, war strategist of all time.
He sees himself as a shipione l'Africano.
I don't know how you say it in English.
He sees himself like one of the great characters of history who has made this move in a bold way.
Maybe two days ago, a statement that because Zelensky is currently in Chernobyl, in Italy, where they have this yearly meeting, all the various think tank Illuminati members, they all meet up in Chernobyl in this lavish setup there on this lake.
And Zelensky was there saying, well, you know, You don't have to give me, you know, the weapons so I can attack Moscow.
I'm not going to attack Moscow.
Don't worry.
It's still a few miles away from where... But in the same... Then he says, well, you know, it might be a joke, but I'm also serious.
And he doesn't... We don't trust a guy who immediately after we give him the weapons, he uses them to then invade Russia.
And he shouldn't have done that because he didn't have the permission of his allies.
The guy is not trustworthy.
That's for sure.
So, I mean, Zelensky is trying to play a very delicate kind of game, knowing that if Trump comes back into the White House, he will immediately have to accept a peace proposal.
And at the moment, the only one who is encouraging him to do so openly is Viktor Orban.
Viktor Orban, who has gone To Putin, he has gone to China, he has gone to Zelensky, he has put through a proposal which basically is the following.
Zelensky will have to give up Donbass and Crimea and retreat on his positions and that's the end.
I mean, Ukraine might become, of course, at that point, just like the Baltic States, another NATO member.
You will no longer have Donbass and Crimea, which are considered too close, you know, to Russia.
And then at that point, so that is basically the proposal, a proposal that at the moment Zelensky doesn't want to accept.
So he's waging this war on Russia, also with a lot of psychological warfare included in Because he has the possibility also of using the cognitive warfare units that are based here in America.
I don't know if you heard about the cognitive warfare, but that is, I mean, the latest strategy.
I mean, the difference here is psychological operations is conducted on a vast scale upon the enemy or upon the population.
Cognitive warfare, because of the use of new technology and stuff, It's much more personal.
And so the guy, which I discussed earlier, who has created this new unit that is present at this command center in Norfolk, Virginia, has issued in June, in June, November 2020, a paper called Cognitive Warfare.
And then he started This project that is apparently becoming very important for NATO.
Today, if you want to know about the future of mind control, you just put on Google cognitive warfare, NATO, and you will get, wow, a lot of stuff.
And you will be shocked by what you get, because this guy is saying that the future battlefield is no longer the battlefield, but it's the minds, the brains, of not only the enemy, but also your own citizens.
So, François de Cluzel used to be an officer in the French army, specialized in psychological operations, and he created this new cognitive warfare based on neuroscience, so new technology, the use of
And I think it's actually pretty scary to see that NATO is actually discussing this openly.
And then on top of that, remember that up until 2012, we were the only country within NATO that were protected from from the propaganda.
We have Voice of America abroad.
We have everything abroad.
But because now the barriers have been broken by the fact that the World Wide Web is a worldwide thing that we can't really compartmentalize too much.
Of course, there are countries that have massive censorship on the Internet and try to do that, like China or even Russia, Italy.
But having said that, the Smith-Mountain Reformation Act which we cited earlier that was reformed with the excuse that they were waging psychological warfare on our own population already, so we have to counteract it.
Well, now, when you study the weaponization of the neurosciences, because what NATO is saying is, China is already preparing for a massive weaponization of the neuroscience and they will have, I mean, they're preparing psi warrior units, not any longer staring at goats with the possibility the goat will collapse.
No, but by using technology that is so advanced that you will collapse anyway, because they have brain computer interface.
They can scan you immediately in real time.
They can probably magnetically influence in real time.
I mean, the technology, the weaponization of neurosciences in China is what is basically scaring up the moment NATO.
Nanobots are pretty much in everyone now and they can be controlled.
I mean, you see, China has identified a way they can use To really not only control, but advance their plan of global domination, which is also, of course, aided by their massive research into artificial intelligence.
That's why TikTok itself is considered already a cognitive warfare weapon.
That is really what it's all about.
I mean, China continues to engage with leading international brain research institutions to foster greater cooperation.
But in the end, we know that China, it's all about itself.
It's all about, you know, it's a little bit like, you know, working with the Wuhan lab.
You know, we know that, for example, Valz, the chosen vice president of Kamala Harris, has a privileged... He actively cooperated with an institute that worked with the Buon Lab.
This guy is a real Manchurian candidate.
I mean, Valz is really scary.
Really?
That guy is really scary.
His connections in China are very scary.
The fact that these people don't consider China a threat in any way, it's already very scary.
Because China is today the biggest threat the United States has in terms of neuroscience and also other forms of persuasion.
Today, mind control and psyops also are delivered, of course, through social networks.
Social networks like Facebook, like Instagram and all the rest.
But they are increasingly becoming more and more part of the cognitive warfare because once you are on them, you have given your data, they know how to target you.
That is a direct, you are, you know, directly targeted.
So in my book I ultimately warn about the latest developments because ultimately we need to retain our freedom of thought and our will.
If we don't retain our freedom of thought and they can actually read our own mind in real time simply by watching us through The very complex, now they have algorithms that can calculate the way you show your, you know, just the way you're watching a camera, they can see what you're thinking, almost.
This is scary.
This is definitely very scary.
And that's why I really That is how I close the book.
I close the book reminding people that today we are at the crossroads with technology, that regardless of the fact that if it is implanted for any reason, then you are screwed up and that's it.
You can say bye-bye, you know, it's, ah, no, but I had to do this implant because it's going to help my health, this and that.
No.
Once they are inside your body, And once you have your data in real time, today there is a lot of people who have medical problems who deliver their data in real time to their doctors.
That is already what they want.
The new world order wants your data 24 hours a day.
So they can mind control you better.
And this is really one of the most scary things.
I mean, We went from discussing, of course, how mind control was achieved through hypnosis, through drugs.
But Timothy Leary, and here we're talking about somebody everybody knows as one of the fathers of psychedelics, you know.
Oh, Timothy Leary, cool, the guru, LSD, blah, blah, blah.
But Timothy Leary was also a collaborator of the CIA.
During the MKULTRA years, they have purchased hundreds of thousands of dollars of LSD that they used for massive experiments, also initially to the volunteers, but later on also to the unwilling, from Operation Midnight Climax onwards.
And Timothy Leary actually, through a friend of his who was a lover of Kennedy, even gave John Fitzgerald Kennedy LSD experience.
But Timothy Leary also said, when the Internet came around, and I met Timothy Leary in the early 90s in London, he said, basically, the Internet was the new LSD.
So the new LSD, there is no more requirement of
of having anything else than just simply logging on your internet and then you are already in a mind control kind of situation and you have to shield yourself from it 24 hours a day because even when we go on Google we have our data being absorbed in real time and becoming part of this massive siren against us.
We see that, for example, an artificial intelligence like Chachi PT is completely different from the artificial intelligence that has been recently launched by Elon Musk, which is much more objective.
But the problem is that these people are, at the moment, the pervading force in technology through Silicon Valley, through Bill Gates, people who have basically embraced this people who have basically embraced this global ideology, communist global ideology.
I mean, Jeff Bezos has just announced he wants to create an alternative network to Starlink, just so they have their own version of it.
We have seen the censorship in Brazil with Elon Musk having to close down operations with X. And he actually complied in the end also with Starlink.
Initially, we thought he might use Starlink to beam down X. But in the end, he was forced to comply even with Starlink.
So on top of that, we have the CEO of Telegraph who was arrested in France.
I mean, if you don't fit their cognitive warfare and their mind control agenda, you will have a problem.
So I think it's very important that people read this book because we are now, more than ever before in the history of mankind, subject to this.
And on top of that, there is chapter five, which, of course, we are about to close, so I don't want to I don't want to expand too much on it, but briefly, I also expand on the initiations and the way the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the sects control their own.
How these initiations affect the people, because when even in Freemasonry, which is, I mean, it's not really a secret society.
I mean, you have the compass square in front of every town in America, but imagine All the people who are in your local lodge went through an initiation.
Now, that initiation is a mind control kind of thing, because, I mean, you know, that is only symbolic.
They are only telling you things.
No, they're telling you basically things that are threats to you.
You know, you're going to tear your heart.
If you betray, you are put a blindfold.
You are You passed on through the lodge doing certain things while you are blindfolded, you don't know what's happening there in that moment.
That is the moment in which they are programming you.
Now, if you are in front of an honest worship of Master in an honest lodge, this might also be a nice experience, which has no problem, no?
But I also witnessed myself Mind control experts as worshipful masters who knew exactly what they were doing, using techniques and things, mostly in irregular logic, to be honest, not regular logics.
And one of the things that was more shocking was just how they treated certain candidates.
For example, there is the Chamber of Reflection, which is not even used in most lodges here in the United States, but it's used in continental Freemasons.
And they place them there for a few hours on their own in front of a certain symbol, the skull, this cock animal depicted on this letters, vitriol.
You are meant to stay there for a certain number of hours thinking of yourself.
Then they blindfold you.
They bring you to the lodge, the guy who is picking you up himself has, you know, you can't see him, he's covered.
Like I said, if this whole experience is conducted by honest people who only want to study the esoteric and with the motto, know thyself, that can be at times even a positive experience.
But initiations are not only that.
Initiation can be also the hazing that you have in college fraternities.
It can be the initiations you have at the Skull and Bones, for example.
They have to lay down a whole night confessing their inner secrets from inside a bath.
A coffee.
That is a mind control thing, because it's like The next level of psychoanalysis, I mean, you are getting them to confess all your inner secrets and then the people who are around you, they will forever be bound, you know, to you by the fact that they have knowledge of your inner secrets that not even maybe your mother or your brother knows about.
Right.
I did a... I've done a lot of lie detector tests.
When I did natural bodybuilding contests, they lie detect you, make sure you're natural.
Always pass those.
I did a couple in the military.
So when I went through the one for the CIA, it was like I was going through mind control.
And I started to resist.
And then they told me, you're resisting us.
You guys that have been through resistance training, you always resist.
You got to stop resisting.
I was like, bullshit.
No, you can't resist.
If you resist, they will see that you are resisting.
They want you to tell them your secrets.
I've worked for you for 35 years.
They wanted to play games with me.
It's a different level of science.
Tell them your secrets.
Like, I've worked for you for like 35 years.
It's like, you don't think I'm good by this right now.
But yeah, they wanted to play games with me.
It is a different level of compliance.
And I wouldn't do it.
Yeah, but it's a different level of compliance.
Michael, you said the right thing.
But for them, they have to be a different level of compliance once you are entering a more, what they regard as a more privileged circle of people.
So, you resisting, it wasn't really fitting with their programming.
So, what happened later?
Things went downhill from there for me and I had to leave the CIA very soon after that.
They started push on me and take away my deployments.
I mean, I was like, I walked on water with everybody I work with.
They always wanted me.
Everybody wanted me.
And then I went through that test and that lie detector test and I thought, man, I must have passed someone really good because I resisted.
I didn't, I didn't let them screw with me, but I found out later that I'd failed.
They didn't tell me for a year.
I was like, when are you guys going to advance me?
And they're like, we'll get back to you.
And so I like, they strung me out for a year and they said, you failed it.
And then things got really crazy for the, for me and the CIA.
It's like the, you know, you ever had the Milgram experiment.
The Milgram experiment was conducted in the early 60s by this Professor Stalin Milgram, and it was all about obedience, you know, about compliance.
And we see, I mean, we can say that in a way the pandemic was a massive expansion of that earlier Milgram experiments, because everybody was made to comply.
And if you didn't comply, well, You will enter a blacklist.
That's that's basically what it was today.
And I just recently made an article published on newsagami.com about it.
Today, the World Economic Forum, after this massive experiment carried out all over the world through the pandemic, they know exactly what kind of people have complied.
What kind of institutions have complied?
Who was more difficult to convince?
Who has never been convinced?
Who has been vaccinated?
Who has never been vaccinated?
So, I mean, that is really a new resisting.
Well, that didn't fit with.
I'm sorry that you have to go through that.
I'm sure that it must have been a very confusing moment for you because you might have thought you did the right thing and instead thinking, why?
I was actually resisting because I had, I wanted to protect the ethics, the morals, the values.
Right.
Very good.
Very good.
That's true.
But that's not what they want.
No.
They want a, uh, Blind obedience.
Blind obedience, and I explain this in my book, in a whole chapter, is built also through these initiations.
That's why they try to mimic at times what they have learned through the initiations into the military, by giving them a hard time when you arrive as a new
I mean, I myself, I was in the Air Force and in the first 30 days, you know, it's hell if you are not ready for it.
I remember there is weak people next to me that didn't make it.
They got scared, shocked, in tears.
They couldn't take the amount of pressure.
And then also the way that they also used The other recruits and the older recruits, because you know how it is in the military, it's always about being the older one, no?
So it's about respecting the older one.
And so they can have, they do it in a way that can mimic at times also what we find in the initiations and in the secret societies, which however, have been always established from the older, like I explained in volume 10, in military environments.
The secret societies were established in military environments.
So that is already an indicative of what to expect.
However, I think you did the right thing.
I think you did the right thing because you have now a much better mental health.
You're right.
Absolutely.
You're nailing it.
You have Probably a better life.
You will probably live longer.
Your health has a lot less problems.
People who may be former colleagues of yours, who have compromised, how is their life today?
So, not so good.
A lot of them.
Because it affects the people psychologically, their family, everything.
So I think that overall you have done the right thing and you have found a new mission and now awakening people to these realities.
So I think that definitely God has preserved you from any further suffering.
I can tell you, I know even from personal experience and people in my own family who have done what you have done and Instead of retiring, went forward.
It didn't end up so well for them.
Physical problems, cancer.
You see, we talk about the fact that Megalovania identified the human being as an electromagnet.
Now we are affected by the negativity.
We are affected by it.
And we manifest then illnesses.
Those illnesses, unfortunately, are real, become a part of excruciating pain, operations that we have to take on to keep on surviving.
So it's all about also the mental reflection of these influences that might end up in a cancer of some kind.
I mean, I saw people, maybe after a divorce, they develop a cancer.
then maybe their life goes back on track and they don't have any other problems and their cancer doesn't develop further.
But unfortunately we are what we eat, but we are also what we think at times.
So we better keep our thoughts clear and not have all that baggage of negative baggage, which
It's inevitable once you go further in certain environments because you will have to put aside the ethics and morals because what they demand from you is basically to blind obedience because what you have to achieve in any way is considered more important than anything you have to sacrifice including your own ethics and morals and your own family.
Yeah, you nailed it.
Now, I went through a period of time where I could feel the programming and so forth, start to, you know, give me PTSD and so forth.
But I eventually worked through that, did a long wilderness hike.
And then I came back from that and restarted my life.
And here I am talking to one of the greats of the world right now.
Thank you so much, Michael.
I'm really glad that you have made your hero's journey.
I talk about also this concept that we have.
Initiations are also mimicking the journey that we may have in our own life involving pain and struggle, no?
And Professor Joseph Campbell's idea of this hero's journey is very important.
So you have conducted your hero's journey.
I mean, a hero ventures forth from the world, you know, A bit like we see Ulysses or we see other characters in epic adventures.
They carry themselves on through all these fabulous forces and then a decisive victory is won.
The hero comes back from these experiences with a lot more power.
And this is what really makes him special.
So I think that without that suffering, you couldn't be who you are today, because these are natural initiations that are somehow lived by all of us.
Wow.
Well said.
Just a master.
You're a master, Leo.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Gomi, everyone.
Confessions of Illuminati, Volume 11.
Thank you so much for having me on.
I know that you are not in America at the moment.
I wish you a good for all your further journeys, wherever you are in the world, and for all your endeavors.
I know that, I mean, we are always linked in a way because we seem to always appreciate each other.
We have a nice chat every time we discuss maybe my latest book, or even when we don't discuss a latest book.
Because I remember the last time I came on your show not so long ago, I told you, I'm about to bring out something.
It's still a surprise, but soon I will announce it.
And thank you for all the people who appreciate my work.
I wanted to also make this book available, widely available.
So from starting from Labor Day, I decided to discount it, to have a sale on it for the next few weeks.
And it's only $15.99.
So it's like very, A modest price for what this book actually gives you.
And at the same time, it's also 11 as 9-11.
In fact, the 11 here vaguely resembles the World Trade Center, because another thing is also the massive psyop they have inflicted on us on 9-11.
This massive psyop on the American people And also on the American troops that end up like you having to go abroad fighting these hideous wars, which didn't achieve anything.
By next year, they want to retire all the forces in Iraq, just like they did with Afghanistan.
I hope they don't have a debacle like the one they had in Afghanistan, because that's what was really hideous.
But I mean, here we are talking about the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of U.S.
soldiers.
For what reason?
For what?
Because Michael Aquino's PSYOP had to be put in place and they had to take over a few oil fields or move geopolitically in one direction or another?
And one thing, producing more weapons, which inevitably will get rusty.
So you always need the next war because then, you know, those rusty weapons...
What are you going to do with them?
Are you going to sell them to a third world country?
Maybe.
But if not, you have to use them.
So even those missiles, people think, oh, well, yeah, they are producing the latest cruise missile.
Yeah.
And if they don't use them, what happens?
They later ask.
OK, so then we have to use them.
And then we have to find another war.
And this is really sad.
That's why I really hope, I know that it might be wishful thinking, That Donald J. Trump with RFK Jr., due to their own experience, which includes, by the way, also being victims of mind-controlled assassins, the one that killed, of course, the father of RFK Jr., as well as the one that attempted to kill Trump.
We'll change this.
We'll change this with the health of the Americans, because I know that RFK Jr.
has some brilliant plans to get the Americans in a better shape.
Because it's also true that we are what we eat, like I said earlier.
And at the moment we eat a lot of poison, a lot of poison, too much poison.
We eat things that will inevitably bring us health problems.
And then we are always constantly with what happens with the Biden administration.
made to live a life of survival from one paycheck to the next without being able to really focus on our own lives.
And that is also a great burden on our own mental health.
So I hope they will win this election.
Though, like I wrote in this book, you know, difficult.
Difficult.
Very difficult.
And if we end up, I will come out in the White House, no surprise there.
It will have been the ultimate result of another PSYOP.
I mean, transforming a term into a president.
I mean, somebody who nobody even wanted as a vice president until a few months ago, now suddenly this massive PSYOP to make this protagonist, woman, minority, this, that, and all the others.
And we have seen also the cognitive warfare even addressed from Alexa, the artificial intelligence that says maybe, no, I'm not allowed to discuss, you know, things about the presidential, the political candidates, and then says, but Kamala is great, Kamala this, Kamala that.
Then they have to correct it, of course, because it went all over the news that Alexa was kind of biased, like all the artificial intelligence that comes out from a leftist environment.
But we are really in front of a turning point in history.
And if it doesn't go the right way, then we have the Obama PSYOP, which was presented on Netflix, that might become a reality.
We leave the world behind becoming a reality.
So thank you for having me on.
And I speak to you soon, Michael.
What else can I say?
I'm really glad to always have these very constructive chats with you.
Yeah, Leo, we all appreciate it.
You're absolutely incredible.
All of us could listen to you for hours, but thanks for your time, and we look forward to having you on again in the future.
I know that where you are, there is some great kebab.
Eat one for me, too.
I have been.
All the best.
Take care.
Thank you.
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