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May 24, 2024 - The Leo Zagami Show
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MIDDLE EASTERN CHAOS AND THE QUEST FOR TRUTH AND PEACE
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We're all sinners here.
Nobody's in the right.
Neither the Martins, nor the Jews, nor the Greeks.
Nobody.
Okay?
And like you said earlier, a very good thing.
Once we realize all these truths, we might...
Rich piece.
But first of all, we have to watch ourselves in the mirror, and we have to do this simple ritual.
It's very simple, Jason.
We watch ourselves in the mirror, and then we spit on it!
And we spit on it, and we spit on it again, and we say, we are a bunch of idiots.
All of us.
And that maybe, maybe, the Shia have that kind of thing of flagellation, they're into that, they like that kind of thing, a little bit like the Opus Dei.
I'm not into that kind of thing really.
But if you have... I got you!
That's it, you know, we are all sinners.
There's nobody who has the moral high ground here that can place himself on top of the mountain and say, you... They're often the worst ones!
Yeah, unfortunately even in the Christian world we have all these righteous Christians who are... It's me again, Jason Earsatis, with my show Project Humanity, formerly Outside the Box.
I've changed it to Project Humanity because most things we used to speak about outside the box are now inside the box, right, Leo?
And tonight my guest is the wonderful and one and only Leo Zagami.com.
Thank you, Leo, for joining me again.
Thank you for having me on.
It's always a pleasure.
I see that you are building up yourself again through all this censorship.
It's a nightmare, as we were talking before starting this show, but I'm sure that you're going to work it out.
And it's a pleasure to be with all your wonderful audience, especially today, because the book that I'm about to present to you is a book that in a way aims to bring peace and understanding through subjects that are very controversial.
Well, I want to say before, I'm going to show that book now, but I want to, and I've got quite a few of your books down there, quite a bundle of them, and always fascinating to look at, and I want to say before we start, Leo's a Great wealth of knowledge and a wonderful man, I've got to say, Leo.
I really mean it.
I've met many people in the circles that we work in and Leo is a really true gentleman.
I was invited, I was honoured to speak at your conference in London, the Hidden Masters Conference, which I really enjoyed there and it was lovely to meet you and your lovely, lovely wife.
Hopefully in the future we'll be able to repeat it.
I don't know how How London is doing these days.
It seems like the city is It's increasingly in a problematic stage, I guess, and also due to the fact that there is no real integration.
I mean, that is one of the subjects that we might discuss today regarding Islam.
Now, as you know, I never really touched on the subject of Islam before now in my books, even if I personally had a long experience and a personal experience with Islam.
I wanted to save it for when I was ready and I decided to do it this year because it's the 18th birthday of my son, which I never spoke to, which, as you know, was taken from me in a very early stage of his life by this Muslim organization called the Gulen Movement.
And in this book, I also make a shocking revelation That might shock you also, Jason, because I discovered that basically the stepfather of my son is a senior representative of the World Economic Forum.
So It's not only about Islam, it's about the new world disorder, it's about this one world religion.
And this book in particular, though, I'm very happy with how things are going because it's already well received.
It has reached number one in the new releases of Islamic Social Studies, which is a very complex subject.
There has not been any criticism yet because this book is almost impossible to debunk.
I think it's impossible.
I mean, it's about knowledge.
It's not about Taking sides is about trying to make people understand that there is nobody in the right here, neither on the Islamic side, neither on the Western or Jewish side.
There is some faults in all religions because they have been infiltrated and used for a very long time.
And there is also a great Responsibility by Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
And this is also something that will shock many people.
It's also a book that wants to finally make, you know, I was involved in my first marriage with a Muslim woman.
I ended up having a son, Isa Karumi, and But before that, I was in the Middle East, I was in Egypt, I was later on in Turkey, and I didn't go there as a tourist.
I went there to study, I went there to get initiated, I went there to understand certain things.
And I eventually learned about the existence of a mysterious lodge in Cairo which predates even Islam and that was instrumentally used also by the Brits who themselves brought Freemasonry together with the French in Egypt.
And there is not really, to my knowledge, any researcher that has touched on this lodge that Edith Miller used to call the Terrible Lodge of Cairo.
Edith Miller, Occult Theography, is something from a hundred years ago.
Nesta Webster, same thing.
You see, there hasn't been new researchers that have been so advanced to really Go and study and understand all this sectarian reality in the Middle East.
And there is almost all the time people generalizing and saying, oh, the Jews are all bad.
Oh, the Muslims are all bad.
Oh, the Christians are all bad.
It's not so simple.
And so in this book, though, I start from the very early stages of Islam, the birth of Islam.
And I actually talk about the subjects that are probably not known even to Muslims, to the majority of Muslims at times.
So I think that this book will be refreshing because I noticed during my studies and my trips in the Middle East, in Turkey, this growing Confusion, but also this fascination for conspiracies.
They have been fascinated with conspiracy theories for a long time in the Middle East and unfortunately, This fascination in 1925 when a Maronite priest translated the Protocols of the Elders of Zion took on some very harsh anti-Semitic terms.
And that's why it's very important to clarify today how this anti-Semitism growth in the Middle East Merge with Nazism, because then we had also the involvement of Nazis in the Middle East and also in what
Unfortunately then it became the biggest drama of our era, which is the Holocaust.
Now, I know that The Guardian made a kind of a question, a naughty question.
Listen, Leo, I'm sorry to stop you because I hate saying anything when you, and you know me, I'm jumping in, when you start talking it's just fantastic because you are a wealth of knowledge, you know, and it's wonderful.
So I want to just stop you for one minute because about The Guardian, okay?
Just to say two things, George Monbiot very very cleverly on the front page put What I said to him when I was when I was getting exasperated with him, when he was asking me all these crazy, stupid questions, accusing me of being anti-Semitic and, you know, anti-vax and this and that and everything.
And he was saying, you know, you said the Israelis run Washington and blah, blah, blah.
But he very cleverly put that on the front page.
And let me tell you, and all my audience.
The pressure was that he was definitely making you fall into a trap.
He did.
But what I'm saying is he put that purposely on the front page.
He said, That I said to him, which I did, well, George, next thing you're going to do is call me a Holocaust denier, which of course I'm not.
But he put it on the front page because when people open the Guardian, the first they're going to see, Holocaust denier, right?
And they won't, they won't see what he said.
They'll just, Holocaust denier.
But also, I want to ask you this before I show you a book.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, right?
He said to me, that is not a real book.
It's a lie.
There was no such book.
Was there such a book?
Okay, in my book… So, let's show your book.
Wait, go on.
I don't have it here with me now.
I've got it here, don't worry.
There, right?
In the next two hours, the paperback copy.
Now, in my book, I dedicated the last chapter to clarifying everything about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the origins The reality of it, because you see, this is not a book that can be understood.
But Leo, he said to me, there's no such book.
He said, Jason, you're talking about a book.
There's no such book.
It's a lie.
It's a conspiracy that there is such a book.
This book is, of course, a book Born in a fraud, in a fraudulent way, it was constructed, it was elaborated in a fraudulent way.
But that doesn't mean that the book didn't come out and was actually promoted in the early stages in Russia.
And I think it's very sad that it led in a way also in that period of great turmoil.
We are talking here about the early 20th century in a moment in which, of course, there was great turmoil in Russia.
It helped even further the cause of the Bolsheviks, this anti-Semitism.
Why?
Because the Bolsheviks, a lot of them were Jews, but they were what I define as Sabbatean Frankists.
And so when it comes to the Protocols of the Antichrist, it is a fraud.
The book itself is born out of a writing that originally was put down by a guy called Maurice Joly.
He was a Freemason.
He was himself a Jew.
And he belonged to a lodge, a lodge of the Memphis and Misraim of a guy called Adolf Cremieux, this very important lawyer who had been involved in the infamous Damascus Affair, which actually was the first moment in which we really see in the Middle East this growing anti-Semitism arriving to actually persecute the Jews, kill the Jews, and this was the Damascus Affair.
Adolf Kremlin was also the lawyer of the Rothschild, the Rothschild family that of course later on would become involved with Zionism and the establishment of the Jewish state in a way.
Having said that, we have to understand that all this starts approximately two centuries earlier with British Israelism.
And the basis of British Israelism comes out also in that fraudulent revelation of Shabbat HaAzevi, the Messiah, that basically invites the Jewish tribes to go back to the Holy Land because he is the chosen Messiah.
Of course, he was a fraud.
He was somebody totally antithetic to real Jewish culture.
It's very complex, this matter, so I'm going to take it and I'm going to try to deliver it to you in small doses.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are born out of a Sabbatean conspiracy to basically persecute the Jews who were non-Sabbateans and non-Sabbatean Frankists.
For those who don't know about the Sabbatean Frankiester, let me just in a nutshell explain this for our viewers, because otherwise it will become complex for them to understand then the nuances and how this whole thing develops.
Sabbatei Zevi was at one point revered by a large part of the Jewish community in Europe.
I mean, we are talking about Probably over a million followers.
Okay.
Until he didn't convert to Islam and created a crypto Jewish religion known as the Domain.
Basically what it means, that outwardly they will convert to Islam, but they will retain their Jewish heretical practices.
Having said that, it's very important for people to understand, because this also has to do with Gaza.
And as I explain in my book, there was a guy who would be known as Nathan of Gaza, who lived in Gaza.
He basically, in a dream, kind of, he connected with Shabbatai Zevi and then inspired Shabbatai Zevi and said, "Sabbatai Zevi, he connected with Shabbatai Zevi and then inspired Shabbatai Zevi and said, "Sabbatai Zevi, you have to reveal He was basically, in Christian terms, the John the Baptist of
John the Baptist is more like the announcer, you know, he's viewed as the guy who will baptize Jesus Christ, but I mean, Jesus didn't need to get baptized, but in a way he launches himself, and then of course he's punished, his head is cut off and all that.
It's a very particular figure.
He comes from Gaza, of course, and at one point when Sabbatai Zevi, because Sabbatai Zevi was originally from Turkey, He was born there and he was preaching initially there.
But then, of course, as he wanted all the Jews to go back to the Holy Land together with Nathan of Gaza, especially Nathan of Gaza had this idea, he wanted to convince the majority of the Jewish world, including, of course, the rabbis who were in Jerusalem.
Now, they managed to convert Some, but they didn't convert everybody, because a lot of Jewish rabbis saw the fact that Sabbatai Zevi wasn't really practicing a traditional form of Judaism.
I mean, this guy would do everything possible to discredit real Judaism.
He would eat pork, he would do have orgies, share his wife, then later on he will find in Italy, Livorno, and this sexual magical operation.
He will do things that will basically inspire later on people like Alistair Crowley.
So he doesn't convince, in the end, he doesn't really manage to take over Jerusalem.
He's actually kicked out with his followers out of Jerusalem.
And so at that point, Nathan of Gaza says, well, the holy city of the Sabbateans is Gaza.
That is very bad for Gaza, because at that point, They will do a ritual there to welcome Sabbatai Zevi and that ritual already curses the place.
A place that, by the way, like I explained in my book, was really already controversial because it had been a base for the Knights Templars.
The Knights Templars had two fortresses that were, you know, one based on the Temple Mount, where now you have the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock, and all that.
And you had also back then, when the Templars arrived, they occupied it because it was also, as you know, the place where you find the ruins of the Second Temple for the Jewish people, a very important and holy place.
Now, the Templars had these two fortresses to control the whole area, basically the main fort.
One was the Temple Mount, the other one was in Gaza.
When nowadays we see, that's why I say there is nobody who is right in this war, because we're seeing what we're seeing today with what is happening in Gaza, but we don't remember the same thing happened at the time of Saladin, and Saladin killed all the people just like, and he was the Muslim doing the same thing to non-Muslims and to Christians who were there.
So karma stays in a place, you know, so it's a kind of cycles.
Okay.
Interesting.
Yeah, interesting.
Oh, Leo, sorry, I won't jump, keep jumping in.
But let me just remind people of the absurdity of all anyway, because there's no borders from space.
There's no borders anywhere.
Well, I mean, you know, we're all one big family is so tragic, isn't it?
Absolutely, absolutely.
But in fact, in this book, It's important to make the people from all factions understand that they're all basically, they're all sinners.
Like Jesus said, you know, you cast the first stone, who doesn't have any?
Now, that is the concept here, because the Gaza, for example, is probably a cursed place.
Okay?
And it shows it.
The Palestinians are cursed.
And why are they cursed?
Because Arafat, and you know who Arafat was, I mean, Arafat was a very important, you said Arafat represents the ultimate Palestinian liberation organization, the guy who really then went for the Oslo Accords.
He was an Arab nationalist and socialist, but the problem with Arafat, is that his uncle inspired the Holocaust and befriended Adolf Hitler.
His uncle, right?
His uncle, yeah, and that is a big problem because, you know... Just explain that to people, because they'll think his uncle has inspired the Holocaust.
Just put a twist on that, just give a little overview of that, please, for people.
Yeah, no, no, I mean, it's important to give an overview, it's important.
Amin al-Husseini, who became the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
Okay, now this guy, this guy is basically the reason why we have the Holocaust.
He mixed Nazi propaganda, Arab nationalism, And was wanted for war crimes even in Yugoslavia.
Now, you know that a big part of the problem here is being created by Great Britain and the United Kingdom, when it comes down to what is happening nowadays.
The responsibility that British Israelism has, because the father of Shabbatai Zevi was actually somebody who was working with the Brits.
British Israelism became very popular in the 18th and the 19th century, became very popular in intellectual circles and religious circles in Great Britain.
Oh, we have to push the Jews to go back to Israel.
This will make it, you know, so we can eventually get to the end time scenario as planned.
That was basically what is happening here.
And we have, of course, all the allegory of King Solomon's own temple connected to Freemasonry.
We have the mosaics of the temple in Great Queen Street, which come from the Temple Mount, which was stolen big by the British archaeologists and brought there.
So here we have a big responsibility.
With the, especially with the Hanoverians, that became later the Windsors, in the establishment of this idea that Israel had to be given, and then of course, The Belfort Declaration sanctioned it, you know, with the letter to Lord Rothschild and the whole thing.
But here we can't really blame the Jews when, basically, in the 19th and early 20th century, they were persecuted all over Europe, kicked out of here, kicked out of there, kicked out everywhere, and then they said, go back to your country, go back to Israel.
Who is to blame here?
Because, I mean, you cannot Say Israel doesn't have the right to exist and start shouting from the river to the sea, which means the annihilation of Israel, when you are the ones who have kicked out these Jews out of each country and persecuted them in a way that was terrible for five centuries.
Well, I would say for at least five centuries there was a persecution, growing persecution, okay?
And in this growing persecution in the 19th century, this literature, this anti-Semitic literature started to pop up that ultimately culminated in the early 20th century with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
So, and I told you also the reason earlier, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion could actually be understood if you simply substitute and write the Protocols of the Sabbatean Elders of Zion.
At that point, everything will be clear.
You will understand that it's not the Jews, it's an heretic group of the Jews who has made this mess.
And you will understand who the Rothschilds really are.
I mean, do you think the Rothschilds are traditional, traditional Jews?
I mean, When Theodor Herzl established Zionism, there was already prior to that another organization that Adolf Cremieux, which I mentioned earlier, founded.
Well, he took over until the end of his life.
He was a big Freemason.
Adolf Cremieux was Sovereign Commander of France for the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.
He was a lawyer, like I said, working for Montefiore for Rothschild, for the big names in England of the Rothschild family.
And I will say that Adolf Cremieux was also a very important member in the Memphis Semis, which we will discover in my book.
It's a very important rite, because this rite was also brought to Egypt via France during the Napoleonic Wars.
And so, when I show the cover of this book, there is a big revelation that is made on this cover that is actually of an archaeological nature.
You see between those two swords, there is actually, if you enlarge it, under that image, there, yeah, under, under, yes, there, you see that cross?
That cross is a cross that is kept in a deposit in Istanbul and is not shown publicly because that cross is the cross of Mohammed on the cross.
It's Baphomet.
It's the original Baphomet.
If you enlarge that, you will see a bearded man.
That is basically the Knights Templar Church.
by Turkish archaeologists and is the evidence that the Knights Templars were worshipping Mohammed Baphomet.
That is the real Baphomet.
The Baphomet that came later on with Eliphas Levi and then developed in a satanic goal, that's rubbish compared to...
there was a secret alliance and that's without...
I can synthesize this alliance.
There has been an alliance between the Western Illuminati and the Middle Eastern Illuminati for a thousand years.
And it was sanctioned by the alliance of the Night Stampers with the Order of the Assassins, which basically were used as killers to They didn't execute operations that would have brought disrepute to the Christian world.
They were basically killing methodically all the major members of the Sunni world.
They didn't manage to kill Saladin, but they tried to kill Saladin.
The assassins were Shiites.
So here we go back to the divisions of Islam which were played by the Western Illuminati from the very beginning, so to divide and conquer.
Okay?
Going back to… Fascinating, fascinating, Leo, fascinating.
It's a very, I mean, I tell you, it would probably take us hours and hours and hours to discuss all the subjects that I have.
But it is a fascinating, amazing subject.
And like, just to just chuck this in again, because you said earlier that you've had a tremendous, you told me earlier, you've had an amazing Also a response from the Muslim world, yeah?
No one's been horrible to you.
It's always like, wow, we don't know about this.
Please tell us the truth.
It's the truth, right?
Yeah, that is the thing here.
It's not about challenging and saying your religion is worse than mine, or my religion is better than yours.
It's not about that.
No, no, absolutely.
Here it's about bringing out facts.
And the facts are very clear to us here.
When people know the facts, perhaps we can have peace on earth, right?
Perhaps we can all come together.
First of all, once you know the facts, I think that Christians, Muslims and Jews will have to admit their own sins.
They will have to admit that in the Muslim world there has been heresy, in the Christian world there has been heresy, in the Jewish world there has been heresy.
Because how come the Sabbatean Franks led to the Holocaust their own Jewish people?
I mean the fact that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion originated in France but then through Russian Secret Service were published in Russia, but actually that base in France was a Jewish Sabbatean base.
We see the people involved.
I mean, I don't know.
Sorry, I've got to ask you this question, and it's a big question.
I shouldn't really ask you, but I'm going to because I can't help it.
Many people have said to me that many people, because when you said they led their own Jews, okay, to the Holocaust, you said, right?
Something like that.
But people have said to me they purposely, they could have stopped that easily, they purposely didn't, they wanted it to happen so they could... Absolutely, they purposely... So they could later use that as an anti-semitic shield like they are.
Is that a fact or not?
No, I would say that unfortunately here the problem is And that's why in this book, like in all my books, I cite sources from the Jewish world, like I cite sources from the Muslim world, like I cite sources who are credible sources.
I mean, there's something I maybe need to read.
This is a book by Barry Kamish, the late Barry Kamish.
I don't know if you knew him.
Barry Kamish was a friend of mine back in the days when we started this exposure work.
He's no longer with us.
What's the book called again?
I didn't quite see the...
Shabbatai Zevi, Labour Zionism and the Holocaust.
Now, I want to just read something that he wrote that I include as a citation in my own book, so then people might have a more clear idea.
First of all, we said that the uncle of Arafat was somebody who hanged out with Adolf Hitler, who actually supported Adolf Hitler, who earlier, though, was working for the British, for the British Secret Services, and then went on to work with the Nazis in a change of, you know, because we noticed that a lot of these people in the Middle East were at times double or even triple agents.
They worked with the Brits when it fitted, you know, it was suitable for them.
They worked with the French with it.
You have to understand.
I can't blame them.
I mean, the Middle East was basically a colonized place, you know, where the Brits, the Great Britain and France were playing their own games to then weaken the Ottoman Empire until the Ottoman Empire was dissolved.
And then in that chaos of dissolvement, we have this whole chaos of Palestine and then, of course, the establishment of Israel.
Now, it is Very important for us to understand certain things.
So I wanted to explain what Barry Kamish had written because I think that he was rather prophetic, even in regards to Gaza, as I will show you in a moment.
Now, Barry Kamish wrote The early Labour Zionists were monsters.
Now, this is very important to distinguish here, because people need to understand that Zionists were not immediately Labour Zionists.
When they established Zionism, initially, it didn't have a socialist, leftist political connotation, but it was immediately infiltrated by the Sabbatean Frankists, who gave that connotation.
I'm talking from, I mean, watch here, this is the Encyclopedia of Zionism in Israel, okay?
I'm not, you know, like, these are books of a certain kind to really understand, because now people can talk about these things, but then you have to really understand.
You told me once before you can't get that book anywhere, can you really now?
No, these are things you can maybe get in libraries and stuff.
But in any case, let me read what Barry Camish said.
He said, the early Labour Zionists were monsters and their descendants, the Oslo peacemakers, are no less monstrous.
According to Rabbi Antelman, Zionism began as an honest national liberation movement that was too quickly infiltrated and corrupted by the secret followers of the false messiahs Abba Tazevi and Jacob Frank.
Quote, I'm always quoting here, Barry Kempsch.
Anyone who looks at events from that starting point realizes that had there never existed labor Zionists, there would have never been a Holocaust.
Now, this same demonic force is wrapping the pinches around the Jews of Yeshua.
The Jews refuse to realize that their enemy is terrified by the revival of Torah Judaism taking place in these territories and would do whatever needs to be done to wipe the revival out and return the country to the Sabbatean values envisioned by the founders of Israel.
Because, and here is me talking, Unfortunately, they took over the show very quickly, and so by the time they established Israel, it was actually the Sabbatean Frankish label Zionists in charge.
That's why we have also the establishment of the kibbutz, that are very socialist in nature, the way a kibbutz operates, okay?
So, the sub-ATM values opposing, and I go back to Barry Camm, so opposing the sub-ATM enzymes during the period of the Holocaust was what were known as the revisionist Zionists.
Today, the wounded and weakened descendants of this good Zionism are known broadly as the right.
They tried and failed to save the Jews of Europe.
The labor Zionists had far too mainly powerful allies among the bloodthirsty occultists who ran this planet from behind the scenes.
The Sabbatean Zionists made a terrible pact with the Nazis, simplified after the best-known component called the transfer agreement.
Okay, so this is one citation that is very important.
But let me tell you another prophetic thing that Barry wrote back in 2005.
Barry Kamish, by the way, he was Israeli.
He fought in Israel.
This guy is not just a Jew.
He actually After he died, there was a friend of mine, because his family didn't have money, who sponsored this return to Israel of his body, because he was living in Florida the last part of his life.
But he said, and listen, this is really prophetic, 2005, listen what he says.
The battleground is now Gaza.
The removal of the Jewish residents there will open a new front against Israel.
No longer will Israel be able to contain the war being waged against it from Gaza without suffering heavy casualties.
And we saw that happening last year.
So you see, this is not something that just happens.
And it's not so simplistic.
Because when we talk about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Do you know that they are featured in the Manifesto of Hamas published in 1988 when they established Hamas?
They actually cite the protocols.
So this makes you understand all this hate is unifying people from different categories, different religion, different political backgrounds.
If back in the days, the Tsar became an anti-Semite, was very much an anti-Semite, Because Freemasonry and certain Jews had been mining his empire and eventually they will take over with Lenin and they will establish the Soviet Union.
But then, like I said earlier, the Protocols were published from the early 20s in numerous editions in Germany.
And who made the first publication?
The first publication in Germany, which will inspire Adolf Hitler to cite the protocols and use them to persecute the Jews and send them in the concentration camps and to die in the gas chambers, well, that first edition was created by the guy who founded the Germanic Order, who later on would give birth to the Tulle-Geschulft, So, it's all connected.
and Rudolf of St. Bottendorf was himself initiated in Turkey by Sabbatian Frankis in Saloniko.
So it's all connected.
The hate is all based on a motto which you know: divide and conquer.
Divide et impera.
So we divide everybody.
And in this divide and conquer, a big responsibility goes always back to the English.
Now, I'm half English, but at times I feel a sense of shame for everything that Great Britain has done to this world.
You see, Bill, can I say one thing?
Can I say one thing, right?
And this is a beautiful thing to listen to you talk, and you've got great knowledge, you know, I love it.
Listen, everybody.
So what we're seeing really now is constant.
I won't ramble on.
I'm just going to say I'm very basic with what I say.
What we're seeing, in other words, what you said, it's not just something that happens.
I wrote it down.
It's consequences and feedback loops and outcomes from previous decisions made with or without vision of wisdom or with very cunning actions to get what they want.
Now, I'm not saying there's not random events, Leo.
So what I'm hearing when I'm hearing you say this is that We can't, like Gurdjieff said, you can't get out of prison until you understand the prison.
So in other words, until people like you, which what you're doing explains the whole bloody thing for people to understand and realise why we got to this point in the first place with all the previous actions made, will we be able to escape this, right?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Because otherwise, if we don't know the past, we will not be able to write for a better future.
We will live a hellish present made of ignorance, of superstition, of low awareness, of not being capable of fully understanding what's going on.
And that's really what is pushing the Divine to conquer
That we see also in the universities, in the campuses, and the people going across the roads of London shouting anti-Semitic slogans and at the same time the hate that maybe it's also from the Jewish side because on the 7th of October probably part of those Labour Zionists who for years have tried to mine, especially Netanyahu, they basically
Lower their guard and they let it happen.
Because it would never have happened without the Shimbe or Mossad lowering their guard.
Because not even a mouse can pass the net from Gaza into Israel if they don't permit it.
So it was permitted and it was permitted to arrive to this point of confusion and chaos which is increasing the possibility that of course we all know where we are heading here.
I mean, the war is already in progress but it might become... Well, I want to ask you because, well, the funny thing is, Leo, when I speak to you, when I ask you something to stop you, I sound like this grunting dummy.
It's like, well, hang on a minute, Leo, let me just ask you about this.
Your mind is like full of this stuff and I'm just like, what?
Is there anything in my mind?
But I've done a lot of drugs, okay?
Okay.
And I'm just a guy from Bari.
We all had fun in the night as I was in London.
We all had fun.
Oh my God.
So what I want to ask you is this.
We know where it's leading.
It's a stupid thing to bounce to so quickly in this conversation after all that tremendous information you just gave, thank God.
And it's all down there for people to listen to and play back and play back and listen to it again.
It's wonderful.
And of course I invite people to listen.
When we are talking here for an hour, we are only scratching the surface.
But Leo, listen, I want to ask you this.
So we know where it's going.
When they allowed them to come in, and like I think they've wanted to flatten Gaza to create something that they've always wanted to create for a long time.
What is the goal now, in a nutshell?
It's a little bit complicated.
It's a bit complicated.
Because when you said we're allowed to come in, it reminds me also when we as Great Britain and I'm half English and we allowed Millions of Muslims to come in after the Second World War because we needed cheap labor to re-establish a country which was in ruins.
And then knowing what we had done to them as the British Empire in their own countries.
So there is always somebody who is allowing the future mess to build up and the future chaos.
So, when it comes to Gaza and what has happened, of course we are in front of an organization, Hamas, who just like ISIS or al-Qaeda are part of Salafi jihadism.
Now, in my book I explain that the birth of Salafi jihadism is ascribed to a gentleman known as Jamal al-Din al-Afghani.
This guy was a Freemason, a friend of Madame Blavatsky.
And you start to say, well, the father of modern Islamic modernism was a friend of Madame Blavatsky.
What?
Was a Freemason?
Yes.
And he has the biggest and most powerful lodge in Egypt.
And Jamaleddin al-Afghani is the guy whose disciples gave birth to the Muslim Brotherhood, who in turn will give birth, as you know, to Hamas.
So, it's all interconnected, and when the Muslims in their countries for years have been saying, oh, the Freemasons, the Crusaders!
Now, I would like to remind them, and here, dear Muslims, open your ears when I'm talking.
The concept of the Crusades might have not even ever been born without you, because the Crusaders were inspired by the concept you created, which was the Rebat.
The Rebat was basically a concept of creating this fortified places in defense of their faith, and the jihadis, of course, operating in defense of their territories, and that eventually, paradoxically, will inspire the Crusaders.
The Knights Templars were inspired by the Order of Assassins, even in their traditional internal The Catholic Church didn't have an order like that.
They went to the Middle East and they said, wow, we like that.
We want to do it too.
The nice tempers were born.
So when you say the Crusaders, well, dear Muslims, you inspired the Crusaders, just so you know.
This is something that unfortunately might be like a slap in the face to a lot of them who are always there saying the Crusaders, the Jews, the this, the that.
Well, guys, the guy who started Shia Islam was actually Jew, so the guy who started the Fatimid dynasty was also Jew.
But what kind of Jews were these?
Well, of course, not regular Jews, because Judaism talks about these people as sinners.
We know that the biggest enemy of the Jews are the Jews, because Adolf Hitler himself was a Sabbatean Frankist, and he was partly Jew.
He was born out of a Sabbatean Frankish ritual, like Rabbi Marvin Antelman said.
So, that's why we go back to the concept we said before, you know.
We're all sinners here.
Nobody's in the right.
Neither the Martins, neither the Jews, neither the Greeks, nobody.
Okay?
And like you said earlier, very good thing.
Once we realize all these truths, we might...
Rich piece.
But first of all, we have to watch ourselves in the mirror.
And we have to do this simple ritual.
It's very simple, Jason.
We watch ourselves in the mirror.
And then we spit on it.
And we spit on it.
And we spit on it again.
And we say we are a bunch of idiots, all of us.
And that maybe, maybe the sheep have that kind of thing of flagellation, they like that kind of thing, a little bit like the Opus Dei.
I'm not into that kind of thing really.
But if you have... I am!
I got you!
That's it, you know, we are all sinners.
There's nobody who has the moral high ground here that can place himself on top of the mountain and say, you... They're often the worst ones!
Yeah, unfortunately even in the Christian world we have all these righteous Christians who...
So, Leo, one thing we forgot.
When you're talking, I get these beautiful visions, you know, they're just silly visions from a little boy from Bally, South Wales.
But when you're saying that and all these things and complications and madness, it's like a snake pit of madness and beliefs and this and that.
Just imagine, I don't want to see an Armageddon, but let's just suppose that there was an Armageddon and all the books were burned, all the old traditions were burned, everything was gone.
And then let's say you could place another couple of million humans here, who had no knowledge of anything.
Yeah, okay, they'd be hitting themselves with axes to eat the ants and bugs, I know that, and saying, this is our, yeah, this is mine, that's yours, we're better than you, sure.
But what I'm saying, if that was all wiped clean, all that information, no one didn't know who they are, and let me be my, just a quick thing, Leo, I won't keep going on.
Tamula Rasa, you're talking about Tamula Rasa?
Yeah, just a quick thing.
Let's remember that every tradition, and the beautiful traditions, don't get me wrong, they're beautiful traditions in history, but it's all just grunts from a voice box, literally.
I said to someone the other day, they were saying that the sun's likely three million miles away.
It is, but it's a grunt from a voice box.
So all these traditions, the different ethnicities, this and that, if it was all white clean and everyone forgot about the past, We'd probably create, unless we, here's the greatest thing, the greatest threat to us all is our minds.
It's not the Armageddon, it's our minds, because we've gone mad as a species and we're killing each other and we're mad as, mad as hatters.
And yes, spit in the mirror and wipe yourself clean.
But you know what?
Imagine starting off fresh now, Leo, and starting off, no one would know anything about anybody.
It's like, who are you, Leo Zoghami?
Where are you from?
Well, I don't know, you know?
Where are you from?
I don't know.
We're both brothers, aren't we?
So what a tragedy this bullshit goes on and on and on.
You know?
And in my book I reveal also the importance of how at one point there was actually an Islamic Golden Age that helped Europe, helped the West regaining
The great knowledge of the ancient Greek philosophers and all that, but that how did, you know, that is often a card used by the Muslims, who kind of like to say, Oh, well, but we are the ones who invented algebra we gave you.
That's true.
But is it really true?
So in my book, I explain how there was definitely two rival knowledge center of powers, one in Cairo, and one in Baghdad.
One is known as the House of Knowledge, and the House of Knowledge basically is a place also known in Arabic as Dar al-A'im.
And it was established during the Fatimid Caliphate in today's Egypt, and it was an emanation of that Cairo Lodge which I mentioned earlier.
The other place was the House of Wisdom.
Now, the House of Wisdom no longer exists, and it was in Baghdad.
But this Islamic Golden Age is the one that has preserved the knowledge that then came back into Europe and then created the Renaissance.
There would have not been a Renaissance without this preservation of this knowledge.
Because knowledge, there was a moment, there was the Dark Ages in Europe.
Sorry, but there was the Dark Ages in Europe.
And people need to realize there was the Dark Ages in Europe, but they also need to realize Who was behind this wisdom that arrived from the Middle East?
Because it wasn't necessarily the Muslims.
Like they always say, well, this was the Muslim golden age, the Islamic golden age.
And of course, the Islamic golden age is a reality.
But the Islamic golden age couldn't have become the golden age without the help of the previous.
Here we are talking about places, ancient Mesopotamia, we're talking about Sumerian, we're talking about Egypt, we're talking about the knowledge that has given us everything that we have.
And the ones who actually preserved this knowledge were the Sabians of Haran.
Haran is the city that now is completely destroyed in the Middle East.
I think it's actually in today's Turkey, I'm not sure.
But it's a city that is now completely destroyed.
And this knowledge was preserved, though, with a trick.
At that time, the Muslims were converted by the sword and would destroy any previous knowledge, burn books, destroy everything, okay?
So they arrived to Haran, is in today's Turkey, and they said, what religion are you?
To these guys, okay?
And this guy said, you know, they arrived there, the Muslims conquering everything, cutting heads, and so what religion are you?
Now, if you said you were Christian or Jew, they will let you continue being Christian and Jew, but you probably will have to pay something, and you will have probably less rights within their own empire that was expanded.
The people of Iran were very clever.
They called a lawyer to reply to the caliph who was trying to convert them.
And the lawyer said, okay, I'm going to come back with you with the answer.
He went and read the Quran and he found that Basically, Mohammed has written that there was a mysterious group called the Sabians.
Nobody knew who they were.
The Sabians are people of the book, you know, just like the Christians.
So when the lawyer learned that, and the Muslims came back and said, so what religion are you?
Have you decided what religion you are?
Well, yeah, we are Sabians.
And they went into the Quran and said, you see, we are here.
Your prophet has said that we are Sabians.
And who is your prophet?
Hermetus Trismegistus.
So the Hermetica was preserved by the people of Haran with a trickery saying that they were Sabians to survive and also preserve all that knowledge.
And then from the sect that was guiding Haran, They went to Baghdad, to the place which we just discussed, that became the focus of the Islamic Golden Age, the House of Wisdom in Baghdad.
But also you have to understand, Islam, when it started to expand, there were these two factions that after were born, the Shia Islam and Sunni Islam.
What most people don't know is that there were the Zoroastrians, the Manichaeans, the Gnostics, there were a bunch of people practicing all kinds of religion and those religions were not just annihilated or destroyed.
They became part of those secret Illuminati, Sufi, also later on they came up with the word Sufi.
And it became really the land of the secret societies all over the Middle East because they had to preserve in secret to not get destroyed.
It's a little bit like later on it happens also in the Christian world because when Hermetica is brought into the Christian world, the Catholics, the Christians were already fighting, Christian factions were already fighting from the beginning.
We know the Oriental churches also.
They didn't want to, of course, operate with the Roman modalities and didn't want to respect the power of Rome, so they went their own way.
The thing is this, in the expansion of this religion, which is called Islam, there is a little bit of a different connotation from Christianity.
Christianity was very firm.
in their punishment of the heretics and the Gnostics, who were the Illuminati back then, like I explained in Volume 9.
So, basically, Islam was much more subject to schism, to interpretations, that then led to the creation of new religions, but The interesting thing is that during the Fatimids, the Fatimids don't exist anymore.
Today, in Islam, you don't have the Fatimids anymore.
But the Fatimids are a very important part of our story, because during the reign of these Fatimids, there was a guy called Al-Aqim bin Amr Allah.
was behind the Cairo Lodge at the time, and he was the guy, basically he is now revered by millions of Shia Muslims of different factions.
And also the Druze is revealed by the 15 million Nizaris, the almost 2 million Mustalis, and the Druze.
When I say all these names, the Western people are confused.
I understand that.
This is why I beg people to go and buy the book to have a more complete, because this is a book that you will have to study, read, read again, understand.
There is almost 800 footnotes.
It's an enormous academic, because I didn't want to pick up from any kind of sources that could be, you know, criticized, even in the Muslim world.
I wanted this book to be taken seriously.
So that's why, you know, it's the comments on certain in the Hadiths, everything that, because it's not only the Quran, then you have the Hadiths, the teachings of the Prophet accounted by other scholars.
All this is very complex for a Western mind.
But it's important that we understand it now, because now Islam is in the West.
London is like Pakistan, I mean, it's Londistan, how you want to call it.
So if we don't understand these things, which I'm explaining in this book, you will not understand also the compromise.
But also, you see, nobody has the moral high ground.
So I will be able to talk to a Muslim and in 10 minutes say, okay, you are telling me that this and this and the Freemasons and okay.
So what about your own Freemasons?
What about your own Illuminati?
What about what you've done?
And they would be saying, okay, It's a little bit like, once I remember, I was talking with a nun who worked with the Jesuits in Borgo Santo Spirito, near the Vatican, and she was like, you have a Masonic ring, you the Mason!
And then I was like, very simple.
I said, what about that Masonic, those Masonic lodges inside the Vatican over there?
At that point, she changed like this.
Oh, we're all brothers, we're all nice, we're all this and that.
So what?
The hypocrisy of these people, of always pointing their finger to other people when they themselves have the sin in their own home.
Clean up your own house before you can criticize other people.
You remind me when I first went to see my family in Cephalonia down in Corfu, near Corfu, it's a little island called Cephalonia where my Greek name's from, right, and I'd never been down there before.
I came down on a Honda 70.
I drove right through Italy and I came down through Italy and I stopped at cafes and I saw people like you going And I thought, my God, they're like my family, I've never seen anything!
So I'm thinking, Leo's American now, Leo's American now, and suddenly he goes... Let's not forget that the South of Italy was part of Greece.
People maybe don't understand that the South of Italy was Greece and that, you know, I mean, we're talking here about the... When I first met my wife many, many years ago, I remember I was speaking to her once and she went like this.
This is the truth.
She went, oh, oh.
I said, what's wrong?
She went, what's wrong?
I said, what are you talking about?
She said, calm down.
I said, what do you mean calm down?
And she's like, hey, one more thing.
Listen, it's nice to have a bit of comedy.
One more thing before I kill you.
Listen, my father met a woman in Cape Town when I was over there and she was lovely.
She came to my father's house and me and my father were talking, talking.
And she got up, she went, if you two don't stop fighting, I'm going.
I said, we're not fighting, we're talking.
So it's beautiful.
Listen, before we end up this interview, I want to just point out... Go on, go on, go on.
Leo, I've got to tell you, firstly, it's fantastic.
Thank you so much for the beautiful, beautiful, beautiful knowledge.
It's just a speck, I know, a tip of the iceberg.
But, you know, and one quick thing.
In fact, we were discussing, like, I would say, like, when I showed before, you know, Edith Starr Miller, or I discussed Nesta Webster, which actually she was the one saying, talking about the terrible Lodge of Cairo, but she also, Edith Starr Miller, was talking about the Lodge of Cairo.
For a hundred years, nobody has talked about this Lodge of Cairo anymore.
But every time they have to discuss peace in Gaza, they always go to Cairo, the head of Shin Bet, the head of the CIA, the head of this, where do they go?
To Cairo.
Now...
In this book, I unveil my own personal adventure and experience in Cairo, because I was guested there by the Butrusghali family in 2003 during Ramadan.
I conducted the research, I saw certain things with my own eyes.
I saw the missing eye of Nefertiti, amongst other things.
I photographed and I show in the book the first Masonic sword in Egypt dated 1777.
I also show other things in this book that the Muslims will be like, I didn't know that.
I mean, they will see representatives from the Muslim world who officially like Arunaia were criticizing Freemason for years, anti-Masonic books, writing, publishing.
Now he's in jail for 8,000 years because he's the guy that's a pedophile.
And he, like I will show you in my book, is photographed wearing a 33-degree apron, sash, and being in his shade.
So, I mean, It's about also showing evidence, and I have ample evidence in my book of what I'm asserting.
So I hope that once you all make peace in your own houses, dear Muslims, dear Christians, dear Jews, we can get And then at that point, the creation of the one word religion is not of interest for those people who know that religion becomes simply an instrumental tool.
Here is about believing or not.
That the Messiah is arriving to save everybody, but also, like you said, to create a tabula rasa, destroy all the past knowledge because, of course, at that point, there will be something new.
You know that I have done a trilogy based on Cyber Satan, Volume 6.66, Volume 7, and Volume 9.
But there would have not been any Cyber Satan without the invention of Algorithm.
And Algorithm comes from the Middle Eastern Illuminati.
The word Algorithm is from an Islamic guy.
He let literally the genie out of the bottle.
And now in 2024, we find ourselves with With the AI founding new investments from Saudi Arabia and, you know, and they are focusing on robots, robocops going around the Emirates and all that.
But guys, they let the genie out of the bottle.
So I hope that this book will bring the realization That we all need to co-exist on this planet after we admit that we are all, all sinners.
Right, Leo.
Before you go, Leo, I just want to say one thing to round it off, if you don't mind.
I won't go on too long because I'll have my little say after we say goodbye now, okay?
But I want to say this.
Firstly, thank you so much and I'll flash your book before you go.
The saddest thing for me and the most exciting thing, let's make it straight, the saddest thing for me You know, it's people like you are saying, this is how we got here.
Look, we can show how we got here to this state of madness.
Yeah.
And so, all in one sense, if we can, if we can, if we can use and transmute this Terrible history, like it can be seen like a tsunami, like we're drowning in our own shit, and we're swallowing it up.
But if we can use this information and learn about it, we can use that horrible stuff that we're drowning in, that's created this made this reality now all those previous past mistakes and and and actions which has made them manifested the the the reality now then we can surf on that wave even if it's full of sewerage and madness and maybe we can surf out of that river of shit Before it kills us, hopefully.
And there's an old Zoroastrian proverb, because you mentioned the Zoroastrians, it says evil finally becomes stupid.
So I truly believe with people like yourself explaining the madness, then if we realise how we're all divided and conquered and confused, most people don't know this stuff.
They're just reaction, you know, reacting, reacting.
Kill them!
They're not like us!
Kill them!
I'll show you a book one more time before we go, Leo.
Hang on a sec.
I've got to say thanks, Leo.
What a wonderful, and it just makes me realize I don't know anything.
It's lovely to speak to you, you know, and there's an old saying, the more I know, the more I know.
There's much more that we could talk about.
We could talk for hours.
I'm glad that You are showing the cover of this book is available now in both paperback and Kindle format.
It's a book that I invite you especially to get in the paperback format because, you know, I don't trust the digital world and I don't trust the digital world for a number of reasons.
So I always like to have my books like paper.
But aside from which format you want to decide to get, this is a book that needs to be read to finally arrive to a new level of awareness, also about the topic which we have been debating for years.
I mean, we've been discussing for years Freemasonry, the Illuminati, even the Knights Templars, without really knowing that they are all profoundly influenced and they have their origins in this very chaotic land today that though is also the place that gave birth to our civilization.
And you just need to go to the British Museum to know that, because the British raided all these places and brought everything back to the British Museum, and it's wonderful to see everything there, at least preserved.
But it makes us understand, I mean, these countries were very evolved when we were very primitive in some parts of Europe and the rest of the world.
So, what has gone wrong?
What has transformed the Islamic Golden Age in a barbarian place with women covered and all kinds of nonsense?
Well, you will be astonished to discover that a lot of the responsibility for that is actually from the Western Freemasons and the Western Illuminati.
Fascinating, Leo, fascinating.
So I think that that will also be like, oh, wow.
Well, listen, I need to lie down, man.
I can't because I'm working now.
But, like, after speaking to you, it's like, wow, it's like, you know, but it's amazing.
Be ready to open your mind when you read this book, like with all books.
I think that it will be important for your own development.
It is, I think, my best book.
My wife has said this over and over again.
She's the one, as you know, Christy, the one who has edited, graciously, this great book.
I mean, I understand that there is the risk of another Salman Rushdie kind of situation with this book.
Because here we are exposing a lot of things, also in regards to Iran, for example.
Not only in regards to Iran, all the Middle East, Turkey and all places.
But this is not the time for being only academic.
It's a time of action.
Thank you.
The university transformed in training grounds for terrorists, which is insane.
And also, Leo, I want to put on there, when you're talking about the Salman Rushdie thing, Also, I think a lot of people that I speak to, and I won't go on here, but just to say, I think that we've almost gone past that point now, Leo, where there's no time for bullshit anymore.
It's almost like we've just got to let it go.
And I think so many people that I speak to of various religions, Israeli, everyone I speak to, who I speak to, almost saying, I've had enough of it all, all the labels, All the old stuff that's holding us back from progressing as a spiritually magnificent human species.
It's holding us back and it's choking off our metamorphic glands.
We need to turn into butterflies now and not crawl around in these shitty cocoons anymore with all this old stuff that's holding us back.
We must let go now and look to a brighter future, right Leo?
Absolutely.
God bless you and your audience for this great interview that I think will help a lot of people understand better the situation we are living today.
Hopefully in the future we will be able to talk again and expand once you have also read the book yourself.
So I'm sure you will have a lot of other questions once you read it.
Thank you for having me on Jason and Here from America, from your new American friend.
I want to see one more explosion before I go.
Come on!
Come on!
Thank you very much, Leo.
I love you dearly and love to your lovely Christian.
Christian, thanks.
Thanks for being you.
Thank you, Leo.
All the best, mate.
I think that it's important to approach the next few years knowing that All this knowledge that needs to be revealed, like it's also said in the New Testament, know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
But we need to really be set free from these chains.
And like you said, you said very well, you know, in this mud, in this shit, why we have to keep on crawling and all this when we can finally We're all related and you turn the light off in the room and you put every single religion in there and every type of person, no one's going to know who anyone is.
There is God and God sees and God prepares and I'm sure that in the future we will have a much better world.
Take care.
Lots of love, Leo.
All the best.
Take care, right?
There he goes, Leo Zagami.
Absolutely amazing.
And I always enjoy our talks so much with Leo.
And what a wealth of knowledge he is.
I won't go on too much here because we've been on for quite a while.
What a wealth of knowledge Leo is.
And I think it's nice to look at ourselves.
And, you know, I think we've got to study our belief systems.
We've got to study who we are.
I won't go on about it here, but I've had tremendous experiences.
I don't even like to use the word God.
I've been touched by tremendous intelligence and a presence that has come to me sometimes and literally paralyzed me with love and joy and has touched me so much.
I could do a whole show on it.
I'm very blessed with that, and that's not an imagination.
And that's not a religion.
Let me just say this.
The word religion comes from the word religare, which means to re-ligament, which means to re-tie back to what we've lost.
And if you don't believe we've lost that connection to ourselves and to something else tremendous which is there, Just turn the television on, look at any newspaper.
We've gone mad as a species because we've lost that tremendous connection.
So, when I'm talking about religions, the reason I don't adhere to any one of them is because often they're fighting each other, right?
And they're saying they're right, they're saying you're wrong, they'll kill each other, right?
And let me remind you that a lot of the religions of the theology They're words, they're books, which is very important, because those words and books are roadmaps to guide you back towards yourself via the knowledge they hold, and they've got great truths and knowledge in them.
The Quran, the Bible, all these.
There's tremendous wisdom and knowledge in there.
What we must be very careful about is they can be great maps, as I said, but let's not get stuck in a map too much.
We can use the map, but don't get stuck in it.
Use it and move through.
Words are words.
Although wise words are great words, they can help us awaken.
But don't forget there's still the theology, there's still the intellectual overlay.
Real religion is experiential.
Real religion is experiential.
When I have the Jehovah's Witnesses come in to preach to me, I love them.
I love them and they're my brothers and sisters.
And I never ask them, but I think to myself, have you had a real religious experience where you've been touched and moved and blessed and spoken to as well?
This is the thing.
We must let go of our differences.
We must.
And let's use all the beautiful texts and the beautiful wisdom in the different books and the Bibles and the Korans and come together as a real human family.
Yeah?
There's no borders from space.
And although, as I said with Leo, our traditions and our history and our wisdom, our artifacts, It's beautiful.
It's beautiful.
We must honour that.
Let's not wipe all that out.
We don't have to wipe everything out and start fresh.
No.
Let's look at what we've got and let's use the wisdom and let's use the experience.
But let's remember most things we see now are the results, are a consequence, a manifestation, an outcome, a feedback loop from previous decisions made with or without vision and wisdom.
Mostly without, I'm afraid to say.
And there are random events, there are.
But like Leo's explained very well, look at the greed and the corruption and they come over to take over there, they do that.
They say Saddam's got weapons of mass destruction.
Whoa, that creates a outcome, an uprising.
You know, what did General Wesley Clarke say on Democracy Now many years ago, just after 9-11?
And I'd just done a show with Richard Gage last night about 9-11.
Check it out on my website jasoninsallis.com.
And he did a lovely presentation, a shocking one as well, about 9-11.
The complexities of that!
It was horrible, but people said that was their red pill moment.
They realised that things aren't what they seem.
You know, we can easily do, you do that there, that scares someone to run over there, and when they run over there, you've got something ready from over there.
It's a terrible, terrible mess.
We're all killing each other, you know?
And most of it comes from leaders, whether they're spiritual leaders sometimes, who have lost their direction, or whether it's political leaders.
Based on short-term greed, power, profits.
Above all else.
Above human freedom and a beautiful outcome for human beings.
So what we're seeing now is consequences.
And most of them bloody awful.
And people are fighting each other.
There's people now, as we're speaking, in army uniforms.
Ukraine.
I don't know what colour the uniforms are.
Usually green.
They've got a badge on their shoulders.
They're killing Russians.
The Russians are killing them.
You know, we know the corruption in Ukraine.
That's another whole story with the West's involvement.
But there's men and women now like that, killing each other, cutting each other's throats, shooting each other.
Someone's mother, father, brother, sister.
They're all one family.
There's no borders from space.
They've been created by lunatics.
For profit and gain and power.
Those people fighting each other.
They're the same.
They're human beings.
Just with different soldiers suits on.
And what are they doing now?
They're using more drones.
Why?
Because they're cheaper.
They've got no conscience.
They don't need a salary and they don't need a pension and they don't need food to eat!
And they're not going to tell any stories on you later on about what you told them to do.
Drones!
Lovely!
Kill them just in case!
I did a talk about that once.
Kill them just in case.
Kill them just in case.
Oh, there's a party.
A wedding party.
There might just be some terrorists in there.
Kill them just in case.
Drop a bomb on them.
It's getting ridiculous.
And the beauty about it is I didn't want to see 35,000.
How many Gagazans have been killed?
It's the most terrible tragedy in the world.
Killed for what?
Well, it's a consequence.
It's a feedback loop.
It's an outcome from previous decisions made with or without wisdom and vision.
That's what's happening.
And there's an end goal.
Don't worry.
It's not a random event.
They've planned this.
Whoever's planned it.
They say they pay Hamas and Hamas is... I don't know the nuances of it.
Speak to Lee Isogami.
He knows more about this than me.
For all I do know, there's some agenda at play here.
Already.
In place.
Further down the timeline.
Once all this is done, all these people are killed.
There's people on the stock exchange now betting on outcomes.
Making money off it.
Arms sales as well.
Gold, up, down, silver, Bitcoin.
It's gone insane.
We've gone insane as a species.
So what's the greatest threat?
Our minds.
And that's why Leo says, look in the mirror, spit at yourself.
No, don't, don't.
But it's about finding that conscience, that ethical alarm bell inside oneself, because these people haven't got that in these positions of power.
That's why they get to those positions of power in the first place.
Because an ethical alarm bell has been turned off.
And they do terrible things to create outcomes.
The mind is the greatest threat to humanity.
Because most things come from the mind.
Anyway, I know I've had a little rant there.
Because I just needed to get that off my chest.
All your religions are really important.
Yeah?
But don't kill people for them.
Yeah?
Let's just realize we're all the same.
We are.
I don't care what you say.
We're all the same in a darkened room.
With the light switched off, you're all the same.
Yeah, you're all the same.
You're all beautiful people, beautiful people of God or nature or whatever you want to call it.
It's a beautiful place we're living in.
It's been turned into a mental asylum, world of war and madness and want and struggle.
It could be a virtual utopia from here.
If you look at it from afar, it's a beautiful planet floating in space.
I looked at the moon the other night.
Floating in space?
Did you see it?
What's keeping that then?
Oh, it's just a Big Bang, Jason!
Ha!
A Big Bang, this?
It's a mathematically unique and precise and mind-boggling universe.
We hardly know what it all means.
The Great Mystery.
Don't try.
It's beautiful.
It's a mystery.
How do all these planets float around?
They were on you.
Killing each other.
Struggling.
You've got to pay for water, for food, for housing, all your life.
And if you can't, you could steal it off your friends or your neighbours or another country and take their gold, take their silver and tick, tick, tick.
Always take, take, take.
Steal, steal, steal.
Just wanted to say it's a tragedy.
But maybe, maybe, just maybe, what I was going to say when I started this and then I'll close.
It's had to get this bad.
Now, I'm not going to fall into the trap of some people that say to me where I live, we need suffering and pain, Jason.
It helps us grow.
Oh, really?
OK, so let's hit each other with sticks.
Thank you.
Thank you for hitting me with a stick.
It's making me grow.
Have we not learnt enough about pain and suffering to last us 25 lifetimes?
We don't need to learn any more about pain and suffering.
But what I'm saying is that perhaps it's had to get to this point of horror and misery and suffering for people to say enough!
But what are we going to do now?
Out of the chaos?
Out of the Gaza chaos?
The Ukraine chaos?
All the chaos around the world?
They're already planning something else to put in place!
To control people, digital slavery, 15-minute cities, this, that and everything.
Eat the fake meat, yeah?
You want to be a vegetarian and a vegan?
Go for it!
You can't tell everybody else to do that.
You know?
So maybe it's got to get really bad, and it is.
How much worse can it get?
Armageddon?
For us to go, Oh my God!
We've let off 20 nuclear bombs.
All the different countries.
It'd be like a fireworks show.
The greatest one on earth ever.
Taiwan, China, Russia, UK, America.
Boom!
Mushroom clouds.
All our skin peeling off.
What have we done?
We were all the same.
We're all brothers and children of God.
We were all the same.
what did we do?
Yeah?
So, an enemy recognises an enemy half-defeated.
We know the enemy.
It's psychotic, murderous, madman in charge of this world, generally men, perpetuates enslavery and misery and struggle for human beings.
It's very lucrative.
Anyway, it's coming to a point.
It's an inflection point.
And I write about it in my own book, which I'll post up there now.
The Emergency Transformation of Human Beings as the Solution to the World's Problem.
And that was, like, 13 years ago.
That was about 13 years too early, actually, and it's more poignant now.
So, and I talk about it in there, you know.
That's what we need to do, yeah?
Transform, look inward, and remember our magnificence again.
It's amazing.
We're coming to that point.
We're at the fork in the road.
We passed it ages ago.
We're here.
This is it.
What do we do?
Think.
Transcend all that madness and division within us all.
But, unfortunately, there's people at the helm of humanity's ship, like a ship on the bridge, who just aren't going to stop.
They won't don't kick out.
They're mad.
Whatever you want to call them.
Satanic, mad, psychotic, hell-bent on power and profit and taking over everything.
They can't help it.
They're like a cancer eating their own tail.
Like a cancer eats the body, you know, in the end and kills itself, you know.
And that's what they're like.
I've said men for many years, we've got to take back manual override.
It's like humanity's on an aeroplane.
There's psychotic people in the bridge.
They're taking us through all sorts of hell and misery and wars and everything.
But they seemingly can't be stopped because they've got all the police and guns and armies.
It's on automatic pilot almost.
We've got to take back manual override.
How that's going to happen, I don't know.
But I think it's all going to play out.
I think that's where we are now.
We're in the Great Unraveling.
We're in the Great Awakening.
We're in the Great Revealing.
Years ago there was always a molasses slowness, time lag between when terrible things were done and when they were exposed and seen.
Now that time lag's fallen away.
And I call it the quickening.
We're in the Great Quickening now.
And it's very exciting.
And it's very daunting.
It's both.
It's always like that, isn't it?
You know, suffering, joy, you know.
Friendship, loneliness, this and that.
But we can change that.
And I truly believe that there's a peace and a new beginning for humanity descending and coming down onto this planet now.
And I truly believe that we're ready for it.
And I truly believe anything could happen now.
All bets are off.
And great miracles can happen.
And don't forget, I'll say this last thing, that the power of mind is more than we can even think.
Why?
Because we create with thoughts.
Most things you see, whether it's a war, a peace, a building, a road, a whole country, you know, is often created by mind.
And thoughts made manifest, so we can all create something new if we all put our minds and turn our sails, the sails of thought and mind in the direction that we want.
And we can manifest that, you know.
It's about creating new outcomes, you know.
It's about coming together and being manifestors.
We are the midwives.
I've said it millions of times.
We are the midwives, each one of us.
And we are here to create a new world for humanity.
And there's people who haven't been born yet who are waiting for us to do that because they can't do it.
They're not born yet.
What we do now is where they land.
in their bodies, in their spacesuits when they come here, okay?
So we've got to create new ways of living and being.
Also, get the Roots products.
I promote them.
I'm an affiliate for them.
And get some gold and silver, and you can get some advice off of Adam there.
And most of all, love each other.
Be kind to yourself.
Be strong and just be really kind to each other and that will spread out because that's what happens.
You chuck a pebble in a pond, the ripples go out.
You're nice to someone, they're nice to someone else.
You let someone else in your car, You'll see them go and let someone else out, okay?
Let's stop fighting each other.
It's ridiculous.
And let's stop fighting ourselves, okay?
And that's it.
Read about it in my book.
It's all in there, okay?
So, lots of love to everybody.
And again, Leo Zagami.
Get his book.
I'm going to show it one more time here.
And I've got Leo's books downstairs.
Many of them, and a big stack of them actually, and they're amazing.
So there's Confessions with Lomelarty, Volume 10.
It's fascinating, that book, my goodness.
Leo's very thorough, and he's trying to do great work in this world, and Leo's a wealth of knowledge, so I appreciate him coming on the show.
I've stayed too long.
I'm sorry, I did have a little rant there, didn't I?
And okay, so I'll see you next time, and with our next guest.
And just remember, I love you all.
Love yourselves.
And step in that power.
And be kind to yourselves.
Be kind to others.
OK?
Take care.
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