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Dec. 1, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show
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THE FAUSTIAN BARGAIN OF THE NWO ELITE
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In a little introduction for the audio only podcast as well, yeah?
Yeah sure, I mean the important thing is that we then have, you give me a video so I can then have the video with the interview to upload on my platforms.
Okay, of course, no problem, no problem.
Okay, I'll just jump straight into the interview if that's okay, Leo, yeah?
Whatever you want, whatever you want.
Okay, welcome back to The Truth Disciples, and we have a special treat for you.
We have an esteemed guest who everyone knows within the field of esoteric and conspiracy research, and if you don't, I've got to ask, where have you been hiding?
In this episode, we'll be in conversation with Mr. Leo Leonzagami, an acclaimed author, international speaker, who has published a multitude of books, including the bestseller Pope Francis, The Last Pope,
And also the invisible master the puppeteers had in power, but he is probably best known for his series of books titled Confessions of an Illuminati, Volumes 1 to 9, which break down the complex world of the secret society known as the Illuminati and all its guises throughout history up until present day.
To say Leo has an interesting history would be the understatement of the century.
Leo provides us with a unique insider's view into these topics, having previously been a member of the Illuminati himself, through Freemasonry and other secret societies.
He has experience with Gnostic teachings and he has links to the infamous P2 Lodge that gained notoriety after its criminal underbelly was exposed involving members of the Mafia, Italian politics and individuals of high influence within Italy's society.
In his previous life, he was known as Leo Young.
Don't want to embarrass you here, Leo.
No, absolutely not.
In the media and music industry as a record producer and became, for very different reasons, very popular in 2006 when he took the brave step to come out as a whistleblower.
He has been on a mission ever since to lift the veil from the eyes of us, the profane general public, to reveal the mysteries of the secret groups that form the body that lies underneath a Hydra-like Illuminati umbrella.
Over this time, he has been interviewed by the biggest names in the field, As well as working on groundbreaking projects alongside them.
These include the highly successful 2016 documentary that he produced along with Alex Jones of Infowars titled Demonic Possession of the Vatican Exposed.
Over the years, he has also written a number of articles and provided the Infowars team with groundbreaking scoops regarding the global Illuminati controller's web of conspiracy and deceit.
The biggest names in the conspiracy field have praised and helped distribute his elite shattering information, including none other than David Icke.
Unfortunately, Leo had to leave his beautiful native Italy behind due to political persecution related to his work and now resides in sunny California along with his beautiful wife Christy.
It's a great honor for me personally to welcome to the Truth Disciples Mr. Leo Zagami or should I say Neo Zagami, the man on a mission to shatter the real life matrix.
Welcome Leo.
Thank you very much for having me on.
It's a pleasure today, at least on St Andrew's Day, a very special day in Scotland, a day which means a lot for various reasons.
So it's definitely a pleasure to be with you and to be able to answer your questions.
That's great, Leo.
Thank you.
You have forgot something here in the bio.
I am basically a quarter Scottish.
The Glamis Castle is of my family, the Lyon family.
So, of course, there is also a part of my family which is Scottish.
Oh, wow.
I didn't realise.
That's amazing.
Have you been to Scotland yet?
No, I lived for many years in England but I never really went up to Scotland.
It's my fault because, like I said, I have family and of course the castle of Glamis is a very important castle.
Today I'm actually wearing a few of the colours of the Clan Lion.
And it's important, of course, to have this ancestral link for me, which, of course, is very, very strong also with my family, not only on the Lyons side, but also on other sides of my family that always came from Scotland.
So I have an uncle who is Scottish, who is a proud Scottish man.
Who is still alive and kicking and who drinks like hell.
He's still alive.
Yeah, that sounds about accurate.
I don't understand how he does it, but he's still alive and kicking.
And so that's it.
I mean, he's actually from the Carnegie family, but he's very much a Scotsman.
You'll need to come and visit because your research obviously there's quite a deep history with Freemasonry, the Knights Templar and stuff like that in Scotland so I'm sure you'll come one day.
Absolutely.
I'm at the moment, like you said in the introduction, I have to leave Italy, so I'm a man without a passport until I obtain my American passport, which I hope will be within the next year or two.
So I'm still in the waiting list, but hopefully I will be called soon to be able to join the great American family, which by its tradition is also made of people who, like me, have been persecuted.
Yeah, that's great to hear that you might be getting your residency soon and hopefully a passport again.
Well, no, I already have the residency.
I'm already a green card holder.
I'm waiting to have the citizenship, which will then allow me to renounce fully to Italian citizenship, a passport and any link with the European Union, which I think is a criminal organization of the worst kind.
Yeah, I agree.
Totally agree.
People say that a lot of people in Scotland are more on the European side.
I don't know why that is.
I think they have a lot of confused ideas.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are waking up now, though.
I think it's become apparent that the SNP have made a mess of a lot of things, so a lot of people are starting to lose faith in everything they're involved in.
We had recently your Prime Minister in charge of Scotland talking I mean, it was pretty embarrassing, I think, to see, I mean, especially when, I mean, in places like Scotland or Ireland, to talk about the fact that you're not giving enough space to the minorities, the minorities are minorities, they can't become the majority.
If they only held 3-4% of the general population, I think it's completely ridiculous what is happening and the destruction, basically, of your own culture.
It's something that is unforgivable.
So I hope that this will be stopped sooner or later.
Yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent.
As I said, I think there's more and more people waking up now, so we'll look to be moving in the right direction.
It looks like that.
There is a degree, the 29th degree, which is dedicated to Saint Andrew within the Ancient Unaccepted Scottish Rite.
In fact, they give this sign because basically the cross of Saint Andrew, which is an X.
So, thank you so much for having my book already in your hands and ready with your questions.
Yeah, I was going to say that, for people listening, we will be covering mostly the material that's in Volume 9 of Confessions of Illuminati, and I would urge anybody listening to this to get the book because it's an amazing, complex body of work this, Leo.
It really is.
Even for myself, who's done a lot of research in these fields over the years, the amount of information in this has blown my mind.
Well, I mean, a lot of work in my books.
I tend to write at least 10 hours a day and to research the rest of the day.
I spent really a lot of time putting together these books which are not only Basically, it's essays, if we want to define them as essays, but they're also partly biographical.
They include also my own relation to the subjects which I touch, and this, I tried to do this since Volume 1.
Now, of course, I arrived to Volume 9, and people would say, but I'm left behind, I need to read all the others.
Well, I would like to remind them that this book, like Volume 8, both of these books, we can say, can be read really Without having read the previous books, they kind of live in a dimension of their own.
Volume 8, because it's dedicated to the show business, the entertainment world, which I was, as you know, also in my past life, as you mentioned in the bio, involved with as a record producer and DJ for many years.
And at the same time, in Volume 9 instead, I put together what I think are the seven steps for a complete understanding of this New World Disorder.
Yeah, it's a fascinating read.
I've read the book twice already and I'll need to go back multiple times.
The amount of information is amazing, the amount of work you've put in.
In terms of Can I ask a question before we get into the individual seven steps about what actually made you Leo come out in 2006?
Because obviously it was a very brave step to take.
What was it that gave you the odds to do that, if you don't mind me asking?
Well it was something very personal that motivated me was the birth of my son and at the same time the fact that in June 2006 while I was in a meeting in Italy in a monastery with the members of the P2 Lodge that you cited which were Later members of the Monte Carlo Lodge, which picked up from the P2 Lodge.
Well, I received death threats because I was questioning one of the leaders of this group, this lodge, which is well known, of course, but has also their tentacles not only in Italy, but also on this side of the world.
In fact, the person that I was kind of criticizing and I was questioning was Giorgio Balistrieri, who had the double Italian-American citizenship, who had been a listed member of the P2 Lodge when the lists were found, even if Of the 2,500 members, only 1,000 were made public.
He was actually in those 1,000, so he was an official member of this P2Lodge and he basically was not Wanting to comply with my request.
And why you say comply?
Because at the time I was a member of the committee that directed this Monte Carlo Lodge and my questions were regarding his involvement with secret societies here in America, secret societies I wanted to know more about, secret societies like Like, for example, the Bohemian Club, the Skull and Bones and others.
And so this clash kind of started within this meeting and then it evolved.
And within a matter of a week, I found myself back in Norway questioning the whole reality I was involved with.
I realized that there was no way I could really change their mindset.
I kind of lived in an almost idealistic bubble between 2003 and 2006, in which I thought that maybe things could be changed from within.
When this war started, in reality then it went on for the first couple of years of my exposure work on the internet, which brought me
Very hard consequences, which I talk about in Volume 2 of my confessions with the arrest in Norway for espionage, and this in turn brought me to leave that country, and then I eventually ended up back in Italy, ended up back in Italy, but I haven't been in Italy since 1994, because I had left Italy in 1994, moving to London,
where I carried on there my music career, opened a record label and had quite a big success as a record producer, working also on various radio stations and things around the world and traveling and touring, but also at the same time I was still involved with these secret societies because I was initiated back in 1993
And from that moment onwards, I started to, of course, operate for what are known commonly as the Illuminati.
In fact, my initiator, Prince Aliata di Montereale, you can find it on Wikipedia.
He was also an Italian politician.
It actually is one of the very rare Wikipedias where they clearly say, though it's in Italian language, that he was involved with the Illuminati of the New World Order.
And he initiated me because of my family links.
So all of my family links, both from my mother's side, which I mentioned with the Lyon family, the Campbell family, the Young family, which are also very important families.
I mean, my ancestor in the Young family was the tutor of King James, who wrote the King James Bible.
I had many different power players within the Great Britain, but Great Britain is also a place that I like very much.
I grew up partly because, of course, my mother was English, but I never really felt fully British, because when you are not really fully British, like me, and you can hear me, I don't really... I kind of stayed with my accent.
I never really, you know, embraced my mother's accent, which I thought it was way too posh.
And so I was never really welcomed fully within that set of people.
However, I became very much involved in British Freemasonry with the United Grand Lodge of England, with the Canobie Masonic Research Centre.
I had also the opportunity there to meet and chat more than once with the curator of the Grand Lodge of Scotland.
I met Lord Elgin, the cousin of the Queen, who I don't think is still alive, but at the time was the Grand Master of the Royal Order of Scotland, and so I had the opportunity to
experience let's say the elite of British Freemasonry from a very close bird's eye view and at the same time though my continental upbringing also led me towards continental Freemasonry and that was the kind of clash that at one point brought me to irregularity, masonically speaking, in 2005.
Aside from my masonic experiences that evolved also into, at one point, a decision I had to make.
Like I said, I started my exposure work, but the clash went on with the Monte Carlo Lodge.
It was ongoing.
I even went back to Tunis for an important meeting with the Monte Carlo Lodge members in 2008.
But at that point, later on, I was arrested for espionage and a lot of bad things happened because of my stand against the system.
So in 2009, thanks to this incredible woman I encountered, which is now my second wife, is basically the moment I started my literary career by going to Japan And I started to publish initially books in Japan and later on in Italian.
And eventually in 2015, between 2014 and 2015, we started this process of translating all my books, which took several years in the English language.
And I came out finally with a publisher here in California.
Which was a great opportunity that was given to me by the son of Oliver Stone, Sean Stone.
And then later on, though, by being in Italy, by being also very active politically with Italians for Trump, which I was the president, an organization which supported Trump actively from his nomination onwards.
The only organization outside of the United States with the Italian-American community And all our connections with Trump, eventually, of course, Italy being a country which is in the hands of the enemy.
I call them the communists, but you can call them the maso-mafia, because it's a mix of masonry and mafia.
People in places like Scotland or England don't understand that is really the nature, the mafiosi nature of Italian Freemasonry, which is really very different from the social, open, legitimate and regular form of Freemasonry that you can find over there.
I got, of course, to be in Italy a bestseller author, but then once these books became also the subject of political discussions, they were taken off the shelves.
And so, in the end, I was forced to leave Italy to avoid being arrested or locked up, which is something they did at the beginning of 2014.
It was a very bad experience.
In Italy, basically, you don't really have the freedom of speech that you have here in America, because you don't have the First Amendment, you don't have the guarantee that you can simply as a journalist write what you want.
You're very controlled.
Not really a civil lawsuit that goes on if you say something wrong.
It's a criminal lawsuit, which means you get arrested.
So this is a way for silencing the freedom of expression in a country that, of course, has a fascist history.
But the problem with it is that during the fascist history, they made some laws and those laws were then kept after the fall of the fascists by the The judiciary system, which became predominantly communist and left-wing.
So it's a nightmare.
It's a complete nightmare to deal with those people.
And at the end, I left in May 2019 and I never looked back.
So I'm very glad to be here, especially during the pandemic.
I don't think I would have survived in Europe, especially in Italy, where you were not allowed to even go out of the house without writing, you know, where you were going.
The way that even in Great Britain things were, just before I left, I thought maybe I could go to England, you know, as England is now out of the EU.
Though it was a problem when I started seeing that even there, there is a lot of censorship and there is no real freedom of speech like here.
So forget about it.
Here, at least, we can really, you know, write.
I can write the books I want.
I can continue my work.
And since I moved here, I published many books.
I published Volume 7, which is also another great book, an important book, which I suggest you read.
8, and then of course Volume 9.
And then I also did Volume 4, Volume 5 while I was here.
So I mean, there is many, many things that have changed since I moved here and I feel much more at ease with being able to bring out this information over here.
Yeah, fantastic work.
One of the things I was going to talk to you about was the fact that for most
If you call people normies, your average person on the street, I feel like the Illuminati is one of the most misused and misunderstood terms for normal people, and I blame Hollywood a lot for that, because I think people think when you say that name, they either think of the Bavarian Illuminati, Adam Weishaupt, and that whole storyline, or because it's been Hollywoodized a little bit, they don't realize the scope of the
of the network of secret societies that make up that body.
How far back do they actually go?
I know they've went under different names.
This is something I specified since volume one.
The interpretation of the word Illuminati, which is predominantly Not correct.
I mean, it's kind of misused most of the time.
Now, when I started putting out these confessions of an Illuminati, I made it very clear that we were not only talking about Adam Reischaupt's Illuminati, founded in 1776, Which is just one of the emanations of something that goes back to ancient Egypt and probably even ancient Atlantis.
So, we're talking about mystery schools of old.
Some of them, of course, have transmitted, let's say, that knowledge of the fallen angels that brings us back really to to what is really the beginning of this adventure, this Temptation of Eve, these serpents that often have been used to represent these reptiles, that then unfortunately
Like I explained, Invisible Master with David Huyck tend to become in the 90s more of a physical thing.
Then later on, I think that even David Huyck kind of corrected himself and went on a more multidimensional, interdimensional approach regarding these beings, as well as his interpretation of Zionism, which was also erroneous, and that now is gradually changing towards criticizing rather the sub-Latin-Francoist heresy.
So, as researchers, we owe a lot to David Huyck.
Myself, in 2006, thanks to David, I had the possibility to bring out my first articles on his blog.
So, I definitely owe a lot to David Hayek, but at the same time I was also critical of him because I understand that when you are just like him or Alex Jones in a role, in a center role, in the conspiracy world, in what used to be known as the truth movement, I don't know if anybody uses this term anymore, but in any case, you are also surrounded by a bunch of disinformants.
And so I remember when Alex Jones himself came to Rome in 2015, apologized to me the first thing he did in St.
Peter's Square after I met him in the middle of the night in St.
Peter's Square, which was like, let's meet up here.
It's kind of a weird place to meet up, but under the obelisk in St.
Peter's Square.
But he was apologizing because, of course, for years he had not accepted what I was putting through as the ultimate controllers of this new world order, being the Jesuits, and of course then
The monetary, economic world is dominated by the Sabbatean Frankists, but ultimately everything, all roads lead to Rome, and all roads, of course, lead to the Illuminati that are not, like I said, only Adam Bishop's Illuminati, but a series of secret societies.
And secret societies have manifested, of course, revolutions, ideologies of different kinds.
But ultimately, when we talk about Sabbatean Francists, people sometimes get confused because they don't understand the implications within the Jewish world of such an heresy.
which unfortunately has created most of the problems that we still have in the Middle East.
And it's just like today we have most of the Middle East really in the hands of people who are adamant conspiracy theorists, but their own conspiracy theories.
They kind of follow, you know, the protocols of the Sages of Zion, which is a complete fake document as I have exposed also in my books and in my shows which in the end serve the purpose to demonize the Jews.
However, like I said just recently in a show I did, you can simply substitute the title Protocols of the Sages with Protocols of the Sabbatean Frankists of Zion and you will have
Basically the entire plan and a correct understanding of it without becoming an anti-Semite because that's the big problem today of this increasing anti-Semitism which is very profoundly disturbing for me.
Yeah, that's one of the tactics.
Well, a few of the tactics.
Disinformation and also segregating people away from each other.
You know, creating division.
One of the things I was really interested in with the book, Leo, was Volume 9.
Obviously, we know how important numbers are to the occult, secret societies and so on.
And I loved the fact you used seven chapters or seven invisible steps in it.
Now obviously we know from what I know from the research I've done that you know you've got the seven liberal arts and sciences of masonry, the seven planets and the angels associated to them, the seven layers of the auric body, the seven colors of the rainbow, seven years for yourselves to regenerate in the body etc etc and the number nine
We see figures like Madame Blavatsky viewing that as a number of being, a number of completion of a cycle and a new way of thinking after the completion of that cycle, like a new age.
How did, did you use the numbers seven specifically in the book for that kind of symbology?
Yeah, absolutely.
In fact, I explained these connections also between number 9 and number 7 that you just outlined, and I explained how it was linked to the allegory of Jacob's Ladder, which is commonly depicted with seven steps.
Now, these seven steps are also the seven spheres or planets, but they can be the seven archons that the Gnostics used to use.
Now, I'm a traditional
I was born Catholic, I define myself as a traditional Catholic, however, that rejects every form of Gnosticism, because I feel that even if Gnosticism might be interpreted at times with the positive, you know, there is people who take Gnosticism as a positive way of reaching knowledge and possibly understanding some kind of illumination, the Gnostics were born
To maintain this knowledge amongst an elite.
That's what really defines Gnosticism.
It's not for everybody.
Gnosis is not for everybody.
Okay.
But at this point, if Gnosis is not for everybody, then you are breaking one of the main tenets of Christianity, because the truth should set you free, and it's the truth regardless of who you are, and what kind of knowledge you have.
The interpretation of the Gnostics that everything is evil and we are immersed by this physical evil and then somehow we have to bypass all this so we can reach a communication with, you know, And then you have the evil god that controls us, that basically they see Yahweh as something evil, and all that.
Well, I tend to think that that is really what creates the roots of our problem, and that's why in this book I discuss very much Gnosticism as the roots of the Illuminati, and why they have embraced Gnosticism.
Regarding, of course, the question you have made of the number seven.
It's very important for me also at times to connect my books to this esoteric reality and to make people understand why I'm doing it.
So in the book is actually specified very much why there is seven chapters, Why, for example, the menorah, the seven-branched candelabrum, is the official symbol of the State of Israel, but it's also symbolizing the seven planetary angels.
So not necessarily the Gnostic archons, but also in the more traditional Christian approach, Michael was seen as Saturn, Gabriel as Jupiter, Uriel as Mars, Erechel as Sun, Camel as Venus, Raphael
The fact that we are controlled on this planet, for some people, and controlled to the extent of slavery, well, it's because obviously they haven't been able to Take the red pill and free themselves completely from these tentacles.
The understanding that the Gnostic heretics had, of course, was that they could bypass all this, even by practices that are completely against our morality, our values.
And that's where we have also the roots of For example, so-called sexual magic, even if it was also practiced, of course, in the East, in the Hindu-Tantric tradition, Hindu and also Buddhist.
And so the fact that you have then people like Alistair Crowley that arrived right at the birth of the Theosophical Society and kind of mixed up all these things, but in the end, if you think about it,
What they did was basically repeating what the Gnostics were trying to do, which in a way was also to utilize, to utilize, to use Jesus in an improper way, putting in his mouth words that were not him.
So the Gnostic heretics, Hacca, Today's Illuminati, are definitely exposed in this book.
And the number seven that they call the Hebdomad, because that is the seven world creating archons which also define them, can be simply bypassed by our belief in God and by the fact that we are not living in a reality that necessarily is made of evil.
It's actually made out of the greatness of God and of everything that he created for us.
So I think that The fact that the Gnostics have also been obsessed with immortality, an immortality that has been promised, though, if you think about it, by Jesus.
And so we shouldn't be, you know, fascinated also with the research of immortality, which instead is another topic, as you know, that I touch very much in Volume 9, because it's almost an obsession for the Illuminati to reach this immortality, whatever it takes.
And at the moment, they think that they might obtain all this, of course, using technology, the AI, robotics.
And this, of course, will bring them probably closer to the idea they have in their heads of being gods.
Because ultimately, the problem here is that from Gnosticism, unfortunately, You move all the way, very fast, towards atheism.
And you basically are destroying everything.
You are trying to destroy your traditional beliefs, but then, in the end, what you find?
What you find, at times, is relativism.
Relativism is also something that I discuss and I critique very much in this book.
Yeah.
A deeper question here, just because you mentioned the Archons.
I was going to leave this for later, but I think it's a good time to maybe ask this.
It's regarding more the spiritual and supernatural here.
I've got my own views on this, but regarding the Secret Chiefs, the Ascended Masters, the White Lodge, and the opposing Black Lodge, or Black Brothers that you hear, Blavatsky, Marshal MacGregor Mathers, or the Golden Dawn mentioned.
Do you believe the leaders of the Illuminati movement, Leo,
I don't necessarily think that there is this, you know, I mean there is an attempt from certain people to oppose all this evil that was, in a way, you know, magic was transmitted by these fallen angels, black magic in particular, and
I think that the problem here is that we want to free ourselves from all this, but Jesus gave us the possibility for Baptists to free us.
So I think that is mainly what we need to, without all the diabolies of complex initiations and quest for knowledge, simplicity at times.
is what really becomes the culminating point of a genuine work that comes from the heart.
It comes from the heart here.
So the way that we have seen developing humanity is always giving more importance to material things and for that reason falling into the trap of venerating these evil entities that give you in the immediate something.
So, So, in my books, in particular, of course, you see the book, Volume 9, I discuss this subject, but there is also Invisible Master, a book I dedicated completely to the subject of this Invisible Master, secret chiefs that sit at the center of this great initiatic system, which can be, of course, of the West, but we can find also in the East.
So, we have the Lamas in Tibet, the Sufis in the Middle East, the Russo-Crucians, in the West, all in search of this connection.
Already from the Rosicrucian Manifestos, we see that there is elemental citation of these entities, basically, which are the elementals of Paracelsus.
The fact that these entities exist, of course they exist, but then what kind of entities?
And are you allowed to connect with them, and what happens if you do connect with them?
So the initiator, who of course is at the higher level, would be somebody like Moses, to make an example, who actually gets in contact with God, or at least an intermediary of God, the Metatron, and he gets in contact with God.
The same can be said for Jesus, but how many false prophets have been in contact with entities who have completely broke their whole current,
religious current sect, even politics religious current sect, even politics at times has dwelled in the occult, as you know, and they have been led astray by those fallen angels who basically
have made their job to confuse us, to let humanity astray so they can eventually make us sick, which is what is happening to a lot of people sadly today, which have been pushed, you know, away from God and now are left in a society which has the completely wrong values.
And they are immersed in materialism, incapable of a connection, real connection with God.
So, in my seven steps in this book, which we are discussing now, I try to make people understand what is being planned here.
But I also try to give them the keys to understand that there is the possibility of
Of exiting the matrix, of going off the grid, of building something new maybe in the next few years that will not be controlled by what I have defined as cyber satan since volume 6.66, which was the last book I wrote when I was in Italy, which is a book I published actually at the beginning of 2019.
We saw a great presentation also within the presentation of The Invisible Master, which was basically the book which I was presenting.
But then I also introduced this new book in London with a friend, David William Perry, who invited me to do this conference in London, and it was a great success.
I think that it's important for people to understand, though, that The cyber-satan reality, which I started to present back then, now has fully developed and is actually discussed almost as a normal thing by the mainstream media, saying, oh, the dangers of the AI, this and that.
I have discussed this and I continue to discuss this in Volume 9, as you know, bringing it to the next level, the quantum computer reality.
The ultimate cyber satan prince of darkness that will manifest now that we are letting this whole thing develop, which is of course still in the hands of humans, but for how long?
Before it's not going to be any longer in the hands of humans and it's going to be completely independent at that point.
And will develop into a monstrosity that will bring us, at least that's how I see it, to the mark of the beast and force us into the mark of the beast.
In chapter one you describe transhumanism as biological alchemy, which I think is really an excellent way of putting it Leo now.
It's obvious that the race for immortality is in full pace at the moment for the elites, but these transhumanistic technologies that I see being developed, I don't believe it's possible for our consciousness to be uploaded.
I think this is for something else far more sinister.
I kind of look at it as like, We as humans are digging our own graves, making these technologies.
What are the main dangers you see?
I think that you're saying the right thing, but I think the answer can be actually found in the past question that you gave me, when you said, do these entities really exist and what they are?
Now, when the Gnostics started to invoke these entities, evoke them into our dimension more and more consciously, And, of course, when I talk about Gnosticism, I'm not talking about only Christian Gnostics, because Gnostics preceded Christianity and actually infiltrated also Judaism, leading for some rabbis even to the destruction of the Second Temple.
So, the fact that, of course, we're talking about entities who have continuously collaborated We need some collaborators, which we call the Illuminati.
Now, these Illuminati have collaborated, they have gained in return technology.
Technology that has brought us to where we are here, communicating, you in Scotland, me here in Palm Springs, with no problem, but what is the price that we pay for this?
I mean, we know that everything that is given to us is always a price.
You know, when people 15 years ago started to go on Facebook more and more, 15, 17 years ago, more and more,
And of course, it was free, so people go on something which is free, but free, it was not really free, because then later on we understood that we were actually giving our data in exchange for all this, and that data is actually the blood of the Cyber vampires of the cyber Satan that we see today operating in the world.
That data is regarded more and more as the currency, the blood that forms this nucleus of an ever so powerful AI that ultimately will manifest as
Super AI in 2030 and at that point control all aspects of our society, leaving a lot of people today wondering what should we do when we see that chat GPT had an internal problem recently in which basically apparently there was a letter, nobody was allowed to see it of course, in which
One of the main reasons of all that backwards and forwards from the CEO leads this chat GPT was actually the threat for humanity that comes from this chat GPT.
And we are still in the early stages, so imagine what's going to happen in 10 years.
So, I mean, the threat for humanity, the genie that comes out of the lamp, and eventually it's very difficult to put back this genie in the lamp, almost impossible.
And so in Volume 9, I try to explain how This is a process that started centuries ago.
This is a process that has, like you said, linked to alchemy, biological alchemy, linked to what is the transformation of man into something different.
Now, for the Illuminati, and the modern Illuminati existed, not just a fantasy, and in this book I've proven that.
I mean, beyond doubt, I mean, I showed Photos, documents, I just say, okay, you don't believe me?
Here it is.
At that point, though, when you see these modern Illuminati, you wonder, what do they do in their lives?
I mean, what is their job?
What are they trying to achieve?
In the case of, of course, I cite the document published by a certain Dr. Nicholas Laus, who himself started also his own You Are Illuminati, actually in Great Britain, in London, with the support of the British aristocracy, and at the same time
He's now writing about an ethical and moral approach to transhumanism, which is literally impossible, but he believes that that is the way of the future, that we need to embrace it, and that basically people like me and you, who are criticizing him, are bigots.
But then when you realize what job this guy does, he actually works for a private intelligence firm in Moscow.
He is involved with Freemasonry at the highest levels, with fringe Freemasonry, because also with Freemasonry you have to understand that there is various kinds of Freemasonry.
And so when the common man attacks Freemasonry, he doesn't know what he's attacking.
And Freemasonry is a very big and vast subject So you need to know where you are directing your criticism.
And my experience that started in 1993 and goes on in 2003, it's an experience of many decades in which I have been able to experience the negative side as well as some positive sides.
Though, in the end, I have to admit, for intellectual honesty, that the negative sides exceeded the positive sides.
So that's why I currently have suspended my Masonic activities, which started again in Italy when I moved there, when I started to to invite the people and gather them together and eventually in 2012 I reawakened that order which I have founded in Monte Carlo, the Order Illuminator Universalis.
with an official reawakening charter.
And then from that moment onwards, after recording us, because in Italy, with the laws after the P2, you have to be recorded officially.
If you practice these kind of things, you have to have an official, let's say, legal entity as an association.
And so, after all these bureaucratic things, we started again reawakening what I consider to be a Christian form of Freemasonry, which wasn't practiced for a long time.
And I tried to see if it might actually bring some people, some Freemasons, on the right path.
It worked out to a certain extent, and I must say there are still people, also at the European level, which I'm still in contact with, like General Bartolomeo Savoio, for example, who appreciates very much the work that we did to put together Christians within a Christian Masonic rite.
But then, of course, when I saw all the negative, you know, they were trying to sabotage me, left, right and center, infiltrating my lodges and all the rest, I understood that I was still
Still, just like in the period between 2003 and 2006, where I was maybe in my naivety thinking I could ideologically move things around within this reality, no.
I understood that in the end, for the moment, at least in Europe, it was impossible for me to fight this war, especially within Freemasonry, because these people are completely now being drawn towards the dark side.
They are embracing the dark side because they're embracing the idea that they can put together a one-world religion, that they can put together a one-world government, and if you ask them Why you are disintegrating, destroying the sovereignty of not only of the individuals, but of entire countries.
They just simply say, well, the technology that we have today, it will not permit us to And so, is the technology the primal problem?
And that is what I am addressing, and in Volume 9 I make it very clear what are the implications.
And in Volume 9, as you know, I dedicated a whole chapter also on the subject of Jesus, And the way that Freemasonry and the Illuminati have distorted this teaching, embraced Gnosticism, created Neo-Gnosticism through Spiritism, which is in itself an abomination, because Let's see what these people did.
the Doniel Church that sprang out in 1888 out of what was the headquarters of the Theosophical Society that then involved the people like Gerard Denkous, the Martinists and all that.
But let's see what these people did.
I mean, these people were also behind another of those monstrosities of disinformation, which we cite at the beginning of the show, which is the protocol of the Sages of Zion.
So, I mean, it's like we are living in times of great confusion, of great chaos, probably what I call the Coron Zone, because he himself, like I explained in Volume 8, went to the desert The Algerian Desert, to evoke this demon, and literally open the gates of hell from that moment onwards.
And from the moment in which then he not only opened the gates of hell in 1908, but he then also had opened the gates of hell in a way in 1904.
Because it was in 1904 that he went to Egypt to try to communicate with these invisible masters, these secret chiefs.
So, when you told me, do they exist?
Well, in Scotland we had Aleister Crowley going to Boleskine and doing the magic of Abraham Lincoln.
I don't think that he was just wasting his time.
He was doing something very sinister and I think the traces of that sinister behavior are still left there on the shores of what is the Loch Ness Lake and what is basically Also, incredibly, a curse place, because it kept on going on fire in the last few years.
I think now there's almost nothing left there.
They kept rebuilding it, and then it went... Because it's a curse place, the entities that he was trying to evoke were so sinister, so terrible.
It was not 1908, it was 1909, sorry, the evocation he did in Algeria in a place called Boussada.
That was the place and it was actually December 1909.
But what happened later was that he started, because up until that moment he really didn't give much importance to this Book of the Law which he had received in 1904.
For the people who don't know it, I need to do a little brief summary of what happened in 1904.
Crowley basically went to Bolesky and started this magic of Abamey in the mage, interrupted it to go on a honeymoon with his newly wedded wife, ended up in the Great Pyramid, started to evoke this invocation of the Boneless One, which he had translated the year before he had printed with McGregor Mathes, the head of the Golden Dawn, his mentor.
And at that point, something that you should never do, you know, especially in the Great Pyramid of Giza, like you should have never interrupted the magic of Abramel and the mage, because it is a ritual that you need to conduct until the end.
So very bad things happened around him, but then this communication, this This communication, this Book of the Law, after his adventure with this guy called Victor Benjamin Elberg, who later, of course, goes crazy, and he evokes this demon, then he publishes, later on, the Book of the Law.
And every time he publishes, you have a world war.
I mean, six months later, you have then the beginning of World War I, then you had the With another edition, you have the beginning of World War II, and every edition of this cursed text has, in some way, created problems.
So just I gave you an explanation here of also what is connected to Volume 8, because Volume 8 is about the world of entertainment.
And in 1909, 1910, that's when, of course, you have the beginning, the ground foundations of that incredible propaganda machine that is Hollywood.
And so it's the beginning of an era.
Something else you just reminded me of there that just sprung to mind was Albert Pike that you obviously talk about.
Is there any truth in the story about the letter where he almost had a premonition about the three world wars?
Yeah, well I clear that also in my books, in my confessions that It's a false, it's a forgery, but it's interesting noticing that while it's possible that the first two wars definitely already happened by the time this forgery came out, and it came out though in the context of the Catholic Church, so it was actually Jesuits who pushed this forgery,
The prediction for the Third World War, which seems to be manifesting what is happening now, is of course the product of the Jesuits.
Let's not forget that the Jesuits were the ones that in the 1920s kind of like found this Maronite Lebanese priest and got him to translate the Prodigals of the Sages of Zion, which
It then became like one of the most sought-after books and it's even taught in school in Palestine and Saudi Arabia and people don't know that, so I mean that's why we need to... and it's actually part of the Charter of Hamas from 1988, the protocols, you know, I cited in the Charter.
This hate that is directed, of course, towards the Jewish people, when in reality it's only part of the Jewish people who are the problem, is a little bit, I find it totally insane that it's like the conspiracy of the Khazars, you know, saying that the Ashkenazi Jews in reality are the Khazars and all.
That is completely erroneous because The Ashkenazi, and I'm part Ashkenazi, I also have Ashkenazi blood, are in reality an ethno-religious group, but it's an ethnic group.
I mean, when you do a DNA test, it comes out.
You will never see in a DNA test the Khazars, because the Khazars were simply a group of people that for a limited period of time embraced Judaism out of convenience.
That's it.
That's it.
And it's also ridiculous to say, oh, but the Jewish people are not entitled to the land of Israel because they never had the land.
Okay, guys, let's make it clear.
To have an ethnic group of people that is clearly different and is recognized by your DNA, those people need to live in a different place.
So they must have lived somewhere.
Now, of course, we know they have been displaced through the course of history, but originally they came from there.
So it's like, of course, this problem, the occurring problems that we have today in the world is the ignorance Is the fact that, of course, we have now just the recent death of Henry Kissinger.
People maybe don't know that, but there was Rabbi Antelman who did a ritual of excommunication against this Henry Kissinger, accusing him of being a Sabbatean Frankist.
And the way he lived his life was typical of the Sabbatean Frankist.
What are the Sabbatean Frankists?
Just to sum it up in a nutshell, it's an heresy that was conducted by a guy called Sabbatei Zevi.
A century later, a guy called Jacob Frank picked up on this heresy, saying he was the reincarnation of Sabbatei Zevi.
And we start with this infiltration of all the various secret societies.
Madame Blavatsky's mentor was a Sabbatean Frankist, Max Theon.
There was also traces of the Sabbatean Frankist heresy within Freemasonry because of the Asian Brotherhood that was known.
This Asian Brotherhood was basically the first lot to accept Jews within Germany and within a tradition that at the time didn't let the Jews access to the lodges, but this Asian bread and were basically founded by the cousin of Jacob Frank.
So here we're talking about direct connections, a lot of the teachings that Crowley embraced The sexual magic came from a guy called Pascal Beverly Randolph.
In turn, he was influenced by the Sabbatean Frankists, the first sexual magical heresies, where of course, we can find them in the Gnostics.
But in fact, the Sabbateans Frankists are, let's say, a Gnostic Jewish sect.
in the way they portray themselves.
With the fact that though they claim that by doing all this evil, by doing all these heurises, by doing all this black magic, ritual, sexual magic, all kinds of things, we are actually going closer, we are attracted, we are going closer to we are actually going closer, we are attracted, we are going closer to
They have this sick idea that they can actually find a sparkle of God even in the most disgusting... a bit like Crowley, you know?
Because Crowley himself was basically Embracing one of the many outlets of the Sabbatean Frankist heresy and this has been recognized also in recent years by some authors like Alan Greenfield who talk about magic and Chloe.
So I think that it's very clear here that We have a guy who was literally working for the End Times, which is Crowley666.
He wasn't joking when he was saying that.
He was kind of like the The forefront, the guy who was opening an era, an era that is not necessarily positive.
Though some elements of that freedom, of course, have been embraced as positive, then we have also many other elements that are negative.
And in Volume 8 of My Confessions, I explained how, you know, the culture of today, the music culture, first of all, but also the cinematic culture, were profoundly affected this do what thou wilt concept.
Yeah.
Which Chloe made his motto, but in reality, as you know, comes originally from a much older Pantagruelian thing.
So I think that we are in front of a era of great changes.
And in volume nine, I explained how these great changes can be all ascribed to a specific group that then, of course, has spread with various changes.
with tentacles.
I think one of the most valuable things about Volume 9 is that it shows the reader the long game here.
If we talk about the magical footprints all over everything that's going on just now, even like in Ukraine, we've got chaos magicians and satanic groups supporting the Ukraine agenda and conducting mass-organised rituals.
What's the real purpose behind events like the war in Ukraine or even like the creation of Israel that we've seen after World War Two?
It can be hard for people to see what the long term strategy is rather than just focus on what's happening at the time.
Well, we talked about the Gnostics, and we can clearly say that Hitler was born within that Gnostic, racist society, which was the Thulegesellschaft, part of the Germanen Orden.
We can clearly say that Iter was very much acquainted with Gnosticism, with Occultism.
He himself became immersed in them.
And of course, then you have the Rudolf S., which developed them even further with the SS and Beversburg Castle, in which there was definitely an attempt to have a direct contact with these entities that, in some way, They were recognized as presiding over the secret chiefs of Nazism.
Nazism was definitely something that would have never developed without Theosophy.
Without the German-Austrian branch of Theosophy, with people like Franz Hartmann, and later on, of course, you had Liebenfels, you have all the people who developed Arianism, and who led, unfortunately, to all those crazy ideas that, unfortunately, then brought us to the Holocaust.
But Like Rabbi Antelman said, Hitler himself was a product of a Sabbatean Frankist sex act done in a specific context, because he was not only Jewish by blood, had elements of Jewish ancestry, but he actually was produced
As Rabbi Anteman said, within a ritual that apparently took place in 1888.
Wow.
In terms of what went on during World War II, one of the things that triggered in my mind was you talked about the Italian UFO crash of 1933 and you talked also about the AI Trojan horse that we're encountering now.
Now the timing of both of these things is really curious.
You see the Italian UFO crash in 1933, we see the advanced technology of the Nazis during World War II, and now we're seeing this explosion in AI and everything that's came since the Roswell incident as well, the way technologies exploded.
What's your thoughts on what's actually going on here with this explosion in technology since these events?
I already, in this, this is Volume 9 of course, but before Volume 9, I touched on this subject on Volume 7.
Volume 7, which is a book that basically is from the Awkward Roots of the Great Reset to the Popular Suites of the Great Reject, but it's actually bringing us deep into also The connection between the Nazis, the Theosophists, and what happened, because in the end we have somebody like Klaus Schwab, who is the ultimate product of all that, with his Fourth Industrial Revolution, which is rather to be interpreted as the Fourth Reich.
And so, the fact that, like I said in Volume 7, in the 1950s, immediately after Roswell, They called all these brilliant minds, of course the military industrial complex called them, to then started to elaborate the artificial intelligence was already something that, like I said, I pointed out in Volume 7.
Where I also discuss about the Arimanic nature of the AI and all that.
Having said that, in Volume 9 I go one step further, also because of the latest revelation of David Grush, of what has happened in this 2023 that has been definitely a pivotal year, an incredible year when it comes down to UFO, the UWAP as they call them now, revelation.
And I explain, once again, how This Trojan horse, this artificial intelligence is part of the Trojan horse of reverse engineering that was given to us and that I started, like I said, talking about in Volume 7, but this time I fully developed in Volume 9, where I explain all the implications also.
of this Trojan horse.
That means that this technology, I show, as you know, also some documents regarding the Magenta accident in Italy.
I explain how the Vatican helped then bringing this UFO to America.
And then later on, also the Roswell crash, which also brought us further technological developments.
That is the big problem here that we are having also with the American Congress and with the discussions that they're having at the moment.
The fact that they seem to be able to reach a certain level and then after, no, that's it.
They are not authorized.
This happened like three days ago.
I was watching one of these politicians involved in the disclosure who said that he is not capable of reaching a further conclusion because he's blocked from this system, which is basically the military-industrial complex, but also There is something sinister at work that we have commonly referred to as the Deep State in recent years.
But it is a reality, a reality that was depicted in the form of pictures by the expiles that over and over again kind of gave us clues to, and at times You know, fiction is actually either predictive programming or things that, in some way, Hollywood wants to release in the open because they are allowed to do so at that moment.
So, like I explained also in Volume 8.
So, in Volume 9, I also talk about the Fermi Paradox, because Fermi, he was part The people who basically created the first atomic bomb.
At one point he was at lunch with all these people, Federico Fermi, in a typical Italian way, but where are all these aliens?
However, like I explained in Volume 9, Fermi was actually, before he came to America at the end of the 1930s, because he didn't agree with the racial laws and left, of course, Benito Mussolini and his regime, He was actually part of his elite academic researchers that inevitably worked on that 1933 UFO that crashed in Magenta.
So it was like a question that was almost a joke and the Fermi Paradox should be interpreted as a joke more than a paradox.
How do you see David Grush?
What did you make of him during the I think that it's important to understand that this guy is very, very worse in the art of psychological operation, manipulation of information.
He's not just talking, you know, He's definitely, as he still maintains, I mean, he's not, you know, like somebody who has been overly criticized by his past employers.
He hasn't really lost all the credibility.
It seems that he still retains a lot of credibility.
So they have tried in the last few months To kind of, you know, hint on things, you know, saying maybe at some crisis this meant...
That's a classic.
They always do that.
It's a classic to be locked up or to be called a crazy person.
It's always something that they do so they can discredit you.
I think that there is definitely some truth that he's bringing out, but it is, like I explained in this book, within the time frame and the timeline of a very specific disclosure, which is taking place with the people on top knowing exactly what they're doing.
Yeah.
Sorry, Leo, on your go.
Sorry, I thought you were... No, no, no.
I mean, it's not just opening the mouth and talking.
It's a much more complex thing.
Yeah, there was something about it.
And people before him this year had talked about certain things, and I explained this in I explained this in my book, there was actually a guy
who came up with some very important revelations, a guy, a member of the Royal Astronomical Society, which has come up with certain important things that should be looked into, but nobody really looks into it.
And so the people say, but who are you talking about?
It's a guy called Martin Rees.
And I think that what we need to understand is that what was said by him within a more It's very important for us, because he said that actually we should look into Martin Rees.
I mean, he's a member also of the House of Lords in the United Kingdom, so he's not just like a guy who talks out of his... Sorry to say that out of his hat!
But I mean, it is a guy who I have already talked about in Volume 1 of my Confessions.
It was connected with my mentor in Freemasonry, Julian Rees, who used to be a spy back in the days of the Cold War, but apparently what he discussed with Mario Libio in this paper, Most Aliens May Be Artificial Intelligence, Not Life As We Know It, it was published by Scientific American, went completely unnoticed
And it came out on the 1st of June, 2023, just a few days before David Grouch started with his bombastic thing.
So maybe we should have a closer look at that, rather than immersing ourselves into David Grouch, which, I mean, might have said a lot of truths, but definitely it is controlled truth.
So look at that.
It's controlled.
Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.
As we see all these technologies and things that we're dealing with at the moment, one of the things that you broke down really well was the Faustian Bargain and how that's changed.
You know, how the Illuminati, how the Gnostic kind of mindset behind the Illuminati have changed the story of the Faustian Bargain.
Why do you think they've reimagined that story?
What's going on there with them in terms of that?
Okay, the Faustinian Bargain is something that, as you know, came out five centuries ago, let's say, in Germany, then was picked up by Marlowe, made into a very powerful play.
But it was the classical Faustinian Bargain, in which, if you sell your soul to the devil, you inevitably end up in hell, because that's where you should end up.
Later on, an Illuminati, a member of the Illuminati, of the Order of the Illuminati of Adam Weishaupt, Goethe, who brought out his own version of the Faustinian Bargain, in what probably became the most known Faust of all times, changed the whole thing.
It became a bet with the devil.
It became something that you could actually work with, work around.
In a way or another, you could save yourself.
Even if you made that deal, well, you could actually somehow backtrack.
It's a novelty, if you think about it.
But it is the way the Illuminati think about their own Faustinian bargains, which are these days, of course, leading us towards that nightmare of the AI controlling everything, and technology is at the basis of the modern Faustinian bargain, like I explained before.
Yeah, I think it's really interesting how Hollywood have kind of taken that reinvented story and ran with it.
I recently watched again the classic 1957 The Seventh Seal where the Templar Knight plays death at chess to try and get out of being To give any soul up at that point or also the movie Crossroads where we see the guitarist playing against Satan at the end to try and, you know, get his bargain ripped up.
So it's really interesting how that's been followed by Hollywood of taking that story.
Yeah, like I said, there is, you know, a modification of the story, a transformation of the story, that comes though from, like I explained in my book, it comes from a real subject, from a character that existed in Germany, who practiced magic, who made a deal with the devil.
I mean, grimoires were very popular five centuries ago, six centuries ago, they started to emerge, let's say, in that period of time, especially thanks to the invention then of the printing, you know, of being able to print books, there was a complete evolution, you know, you know, it wasn't anymore
Only the transcribing of certain things by a monk and that would be left in some archive.
It was the possibility of printing out these things and making them known that really changed things around.
So the printing of the first book, it's something that happened.
As you know, I was living in Italy before I came here to America and I was actually living in Subiaco.
Subiaco is the place where basically has this incredible monastic community.
It was the first place where really St.
Benedict created his Benedictine thing, and the first book, as we know, was printed by monks in Germany, but then later on the second book was printed in Subiaco.
So, it was a work of the 4th century writer Helios Donatus.
It has not been preserved, unfortunately, and it was followed then by Cicero's 1st century BC work, the Oratore, printed in Subiaco in 1465.
But like I said, the fact that you were starting to print books that could go, at that point, you know, you can print 50 of them.
40 can be taken under your control and scrutiny because you can maybe number them.
I have books here that are numbered by the monks that maybe made a limited edition of something.
I remember I have one copy here I can show you.
You can't control all the books.
Once they are printed, you have let... like we go back to the subject of letting the genie out of the bottle.
The book, once it's out, is out.
That's why I always invite people to actually purchase the paper rather than the digital format, because I don't believe the digital format We'll leave any trace at one point we could leave behind the digital desert when instead the books in the paper form can be still physical and they can retain their importance also in the future when everything that is in the digital world will be controlled increasingly by the AI.
I mean, it's already increasingly controlled by the AI.
When I have to go and print this book, I have to deal with an AI monstrosity at Amazon that breaks my balls all the time.
I think that it's important that we have the possibility at the moment to print these books through Amazon because It seems crazy that we have to rely on somebody like Amazon and Jeff Bezos, but for me it has actually been a great thing because I've been able to bypass the censorship which traditional distributions were giving me in Italy, for example.
Nowadays I can print a book here from Palm Springs and distribute it in Italy through Amazon Italy and never have to deal with the Italian authorities, the censorship and anything else.
Yeah, I think that's, again, another really important point.
I see the digitization of books as being a real, it's like a modern day book burning that could take place.
You know, digitized stuff, you can either edit it, change it later on, or you can just get rid of it altogether.
I personally can't read a lot of electronic information.
I have to read solid books all the time.
I have to have the paper form and just get much more from it.
I get much more of a connection from it, you know.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And you know, it was actually Sir Francis Bacon who created this Technocratic utopia, let's say.
This priesthood of technocracy that makes decisions for the good of the state when he kind of like launched this idea that then manifested in the Royal Society in London and all that.
There is some positive elements to it, but there is also the fact that we are increasingly going towards a technological priesthood, an elitarian priesthood, a Gnostic priesthood, that just like the Gnostics wants to preserve their knowledge for the limited circuit and leave everybody else outside.
So these books bring this truth out, but I don't know for how long they will allow all this, because of course it is a book that is fighting the system.
In fact, you can notice from going on Amazon When you go on Amazon, you go and check the comments for this book, you will see that all the comments are like five stars, okay?
But then the book has four stars or something like that, because at one point, right at the beginning, when I just came out after two days without any comments, there were some negative stars inserted in a way, comments that you can't view, that is actually the AI that is generating without the comments.
Okay, there has been in the past the sabotage of this or this other secret society, which of course I criticize, which is possible, they just go on Amazon.
But in the case of Volume 9, it was something weird that happened, because it was almost like the AI knew I was, you know, and so they didn't want to leave this book with their five stars, you know, great people, and you can see many comments of appreciation.
They wanted to Push the negative side of things.
Yeah, that's really interesting.
I think because there's so many damaging subjects in the book for the Illuminati and the controllers who are trying to roll all these things out?
As soon as I posted, as soon as it came out, and I posted the book on my Facebook, suddenly on the comments on my Facebook, people I never saw before, who were not my friends, started to criticize a book that they didn't even read, with all kinds of forms of criticism.
And I was like, even, and they were like, not Just normal people, like professors from the academic world, the things that came, you know, and started to sentence this and that.
And I was like, whoa, it's like I kind of, I must have hit the needle in the, how you say, in the coffee, you know, the nail in the coffee.
Something happened then, because this never happened before.
So I want to thank you because, of course, We have probably maybe more interviews to do in the future because I see that you have a lot of interest in these subjects and I'm sure that we can maybe follow up in the future.
In the meantime, though, I want to thank your audience for giving me this possibility today.
And happy St Andrew's Day in Scotland.
Probably by the time this is broadcast, it will be another day.
But in any case, I'm looking forward also to put out this interview celebrating Scotland, Scottish ancestry, and by putting them on all my platforms, including Band.Video.
Brilliant.
One last question, Leo, just to finish up if you don't mind.
How do we avoid what's happening?
The attacks on our food, the attacks on our way of life, our freedoms, or can we not avoid what's happening?
Is it inevitable?
Inevitable that we are reaching that moment that I talk about right at the beginning of the book, that omega stage that was discussed by Pierre Terard de Cardin, that point, infinity point, something that Kurzweil has also been talking about.
It's inevitable that this technology will bring us into that monstrosity which is transhumanism.
However, like I state right at the end of the book, instead there is always the possibility of going off the grid in the next seven years before the tentacles start reaching you and finding your own place in this planet.
Now, It is increasingly a prison planet because, you know, when you have Starlink with Elon Musk, with thousands of satellites, which basically make this planet officially a prison, because we have to be honest about that.
And we don't really know the intentions of Elon Musk, no matter what he says, because the guy is very much part of the system.
Just think about the fact that NASA has to rely on SpaceX.
So, you know, they might, you know, criticize him every day for X, which is like his little toy, but they do business with him every other day because they rely on him for most of the launches they do these days.
You know, that means that the guy, of course, has very much a lot of power.
And the fact that he wants to also address us towards the colonization of Mars is a very interesting point in all this.
The god of war, Mars, that was also viewed by the ancient Egyptians as Horus, Mars that can become also that That element of the Illuminati who want to, in some way, control us even further.
I hope that people today can understand that there is always a way to go off the grid until we have not microchipped ourselves, put a computer brain interface or anything inside a body that, of course, links us with the AI.
But this is going to be increasingly difficult when the advances in medicine will, you know, basically the Trojan horse under disguise will be medicine.
There will be this miracle, this sudden miracle, the fact that it can extend your life, but you have to put this inside your body.
When they tell you that, just make a deal with yourself that you're not going to give in, that you prefer to live maybe 50 years less, 100 years less, whatever.
But you're free.
Better one day as a lion than a hundred as a sheep in this case, going back to the famous saying of Mussolini.
So I think that when the time comes, you understand the limits of living where you are.
If you are on an island like Great Britain, there's a lot of limits in being on an island.
And that you need to have the possibility of going off the grid and not having any kind of connection with the AI, with anything that is linked to the AI.
And this is not a joke, this is a reality.
Prepare for that, and in the meantime, live your life without being affected by this constant strategy of tension that just wants to make us sick, because otherwise you're not going to even reach that point.
You're going to get sick first.
So, live like you're a free man, but remember that freedom might be taken from you if you don't take the necessary steps to bypass this increasing prison world.
Yeah, brilliantly summed up.
It's a spiritual war.
Where can our listeners find out more about you, get in touch or purchase your book?
What's your preferences?
Okay, you can of course always find my work on LeoZagami.com with my latest articles, the links to my latest books that you can also find on Amazon, the whole series from one to nine and that's it.
I mean, I hope that people I hope that people appreciate that we only scratched the surface.
of a book that is you know as many pages is 500 and almost 500 pages so I hope that people appreciate that we only scratch the surface there is much more to learn from reading the actual book which is what I suggest and I hope to speak to you soon with other interesting chats on other books Leo it's been an absolute pleasure I'll Thank you very much.
Really appreciate your time.
Thank you.
And buy the book!
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