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Exploring the Illuminati Occult Part 42: Spycraft and the Secrets of Espionage

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	Thank you.
	Okay, what a start to this epic number 42 in our Exploring the Illuminati Occult Series.
	Christy, we have the sponsors to mention first.
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	We're going to give you a good one.
	You have to really thank them.
	Thank them a lot.
	Well, then we should dance.
	Yes, definitely.
	It deserves a dance.
	Hi everyone!
	Hello everybody!
	start with our dance macabre.
	Hi everyone.
	Hello everybody.
	We have our James Bond look.
	Yes.
	I'm even having a tuxedo thing.
	Today we're going to have a lot of things happening in this show of ours.
	We're going to also connect with Great Britain.
	Yes, as we are talking about a James Bond kind of scenario, spycraft and the secrets of espionage.
	We will be interviewing, and this is an unusual thing because we haven't done interviews here at the Rio Zagami Show for a long time, the author of this book, A New Vision of Spycraft, Daniele Adi Irandoste.
	So we're going to have this interview which is also going to fit into all the The work that we will disclose today, there's a lot to be said about this subject.
	We're entering in the festive mode.
	Yes, we don't have our tree up because we have to go to Thanksgiving first.
	We have some kind of turkey here.
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	From January we will have two shows a week!
	Two shows a week.
	We're doing the news.
	Yes, so you're going to be going back to the news, the good old news.
	I'm not gonna cry.
	I'm not gonna cry.
	I'm a seasoned co-host now.
	Okay, perfect, perfect.
	I heard all this occult stuff, so... So you're ready?
	I'm ready.
	Ready for the news.
	It's all the same.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Saturday, November 18th, the year of the Lord 2023.
	We talk about one of the most, you know, they say the most ancient job is, of course, prostitution.
	But immediately after, you have also espionage, intelligence activities that go back in time and we find in the Bible.
	But who is the first, the very first guy who talks about espionage?
	Well, guys, it was a Chinese.
	And with the Chinese, we will talk about Sun Tzu, Sun Tzu, Sun Tzu.
	But I'm seeing more and more people tuning in, so I, of course, leave it to you to tune in.
	But, you know, the game of espionage is also called in a specific way.
	It's called in a specific way, and I have a video I would like to share with you that really inspired me when I was a little kid.
	And I watched this movie, a movie that came out in the early 50s, and they used to give regularly on TV, a movie called The Kim, based on a great book by Kipling.
	And it's the great game, the great game really that we, because, you know, you have espionage and you have counter espionage or counter intelligence because these days they prefer to call it intelligence rather than espionage. you have espionage and you have counter espionage or counter But a little kid like me, you know, in the 70s, aside from the James Bond movies, of course, very inspirational for all of us.
	There was these old movies that went on TV and this movie, based on a great book, has a particular scene, which I would like to share with you.
	It's Kim's game.
	Check it out with me and welcome to the Leo Zagami Show with Leo and Christy.
	I am here.
	- Here. - 79, 80, 81.
	You will stay with me until it is time to go back to the school.
	It is an order.
	It is an order.
	Where shall I put this?
	You will sleep here.
	Have a good night.
	Are you afraid?
	Afraid of what?
	I've seen things like this many times.
	One day I fell asleep in the museum at Lahore.
	I found myself locked in for the night.
	Nothing happened.
	Shake hands, O'Hara.
	This is Wanner, my other pupil.
	Juana learns quickly.
	Now come, O'Hara, let me see you match wits with him.
	Bring me the tray.
	I look at them well.
	Finger them, if you like.
	Get their number and their color in your mind's eye.
	One glance is enough for me.
	Ready?
	How many stones did you see upon the tray?
	Oh, that's easy.
	26, perhaps 27.
	Tell him the correct number, Wanner.
	34, sob.
	Look well this time, O'Hara.
	The brown-red stones, the garnets.
	Note their number.
	No, no, no, no.
	Take your time.
	And those milk-colored pearls.
	Fix with your memory the number of blue turquoise.
	And see...
	There are only five cat's eyes.
	Now, that should be easy to remember.
	I've got it this time.
	But make sure.
	Check and recheck.
	Shall I cover them?
	Yes.
	Right.
	There are eight garnets, seven pearls, thirteen blue stones, and the five cat's eyes.
	There are eight garnets.
	That's what I said.
	Seven pearls.
	Thirteen turquoise.
	And six cat's eyes.
	Correct, Walter.
	But you said five.
	I also said check and recheck.
	You should believe only your eyes and not the voices of others.
	This is a child's game, Mr. Lurgan.
	It is part of a great game.
	Mr. O'Hara.
	The Great Game of Espionage.
	Today, talking about the spycraft and the secret of espionage.
	Of course, we have to dig deep.
	We have to dig deep in the history of espionage.
	We're also going to have a guest later on.
	So it's with infinite pleasure that I will introduce you first of all into the art of espionage because, guys, you know, you always think about James Bond, this womanizer, this great guy.
	So how did Ian Fleming start and why did he start James Bond?
	Well, guys, you will be surprised.
	The reason why So we know, of course, at least those who have been following me, have read my books, especially Volume One, the role of Ian Fleming within the intelligence world.
	And this role officially ceased.
	I mean, he stopped being officially a spy after the Second World War.
	But some people say it actually continued because, you see,
	Intelligence activities include also cultural wars and we needed a strong agent they fought in England, somebody that really represented masculinity, especially after the scandal that hit the British intelligence in the early 50s with a couple of the top spies running off with each other, two homosexuals, which went to the Soviet Union betraying the state secrets.
	Well, that was something that really hit hard the Brits.
	They started to cry there in their headquarters.
	What should we do?
	We should make a man of this agent, of this British agent.
	So they came up with James Bond.
	And the scandal hit really hard.
	It was the scandal, the infamous scandal of the Cambridge Five.
	It was a ring of spies in the United Kingdom.
	And there was a number of spies.
	I mean, some of them, of course, were caught, but most of them managed to go to the Soviet Union.
	And the first ones to go to the Soviet Union, where basically this couple of homosexuals, It was Donald McLean, codename Homer, and Guy Bergs, codename Hicks, and they ended up in the Soviet Union.
	Then the suspicions immediately fall on another gentleman called Kim Philby, codename Sonny Stanley, who eventually fled to the Soviet Union also in 1963.
	And then there was also another couple of spies to add to the infamous Cambridge Five.
	But of course, we want to discuss the roots of espionage, but also the roots of James Bond to start with.
	Ian Fleming based his figure, his character on, where there was a real guy.
	A real handsome guy, but also killer and an agent who met everybody.
	Imagine this guy went to lunch with Himmler and then with the Che Guevara and Kennedy.
	This guy was definitely somebody who he could inspire himself.
	You know, Ian Fleming could find this inspiration.
	It was the figure of his muse Porfirio Rubirosa.
	I'm going to show him because for all the ladies, he's obviously a very handsome man.
	That represents the typical James Bond look, and he existed.
	He was a real guy within, of course, the world of diplomacy, because we're going to also find out that diplomacy is very interconnected with intelligence.
	So Porfirio Rubirosa, this gentleman... Is he Italian?
	Well, probably he had Italian origins, but he was actually a Dominican diplomat and race driver.
	No, no, no.
	He was, I mean, for all the ladies, here we are with somebody, of course, very fancy.
	And he, of course, hang around with the He was very known for being, you know, very good with the ladies.
	He was a Dominican diplomat, race car driver, soldier and polo player.
	They don't even put the fact that he was also a intelligence operative and somebody with a license to kill.
	No, he was a real man.
	They didn't make it up in like fictionalized... Well, no, Ian Fleming then, of course, picked up this guy because they couldn't find a guy like him in England.
	In England, they're all a little bit...
	You're half English.
	Well, I'm half English and for that reason I know... Listen a sec.
	I know my... you know my mother.
	She goes on holiday every now and then with a couple, very nice couple, of homosexuals who work for the British intelligence and it's very well known that in England they are a little bit... not all of them, of course, because there is also some men that are heterosexual in England, but Ian Fleming couldn't find anybody who could inspire him as much as this guy.
	Did he go to Italy or Spain?
	No, this is from the Dominican Republic.
	We have shown you the real James Bond, but before James Bond, there is also a couple of other films that came out that started to to present the role of the spy in the cinematic world.
	And so here we are with one of these films from 1936, Secret Agents.
	Secret Agent was a film by Alfred Ischcock.
	And it was one of the first films that talks about the spionage.
	Of course, there is also another one that I'm going to show you, a trailer, Spione, from Fritz Lang.
	But that, of course, is muted cinema, a cinema with no audio.
	Silent movies.
	Silent movies, as you call them in English.
	Then they became talkies.
	This is one of the first talkies.
	Silent movies.
	I'd better keep this handy.
	You see, I don't trust you.
	Now, what are you doing on this train?
	I told you.
	You're here on business.
	Old man R's business.
	You're in the spy racket too, aren't you?
	How does Mrs. Ashenden look now?
	This has all been done to your special benefit.
	Very kind of you, I'm sure.
	Bit fond of yourself, aren't you?
	So, we are not.
	He's slapping going around.
	For God's sake!
	The button!
	for God's sake!
	The button.
	The wrong man.
	It's very...
	I love that guy.
	I love it!
	And before that, there was also another movie, I think, just a little bit, just a year or two earlier, Hitchcock always touched on the subject of the intelligence world in another movie that was called 39 Steps.
	The 39 Steps became a very popular movie, the first very popular movie about the age.
	Darling, fancy seeing you.
	How do you see the man passing in the last few minutes?
	This is the man you want, I think.
	There, miss, now you're a special constable.
	What's the idea?
	What are you doing to me?
	As long as you stay, he stays.
	If I demand that you allow me to telephone to the High Commissioner for Canada in London.
	You'd better do that from London.
	You'll be there soon enough.
	I have the honor in presenting to you one of the most remarkable men in the world, Mr. Memory.
	What are the 39 steps?
	Why I showed you all this cinematography at the start?
	There is a reason.
	There is a reason, guys.
	In Gorgias, which is the first of Plato's political dialogues in which the authentic art of politics starts to emanate according to Socrates' definition, we start to see how they start dealing with the question of enforcement of these policies.
	Under the capitalist system, for the most part, politics is a counterfeit of the authentic art of politics.
	It's basically a theatrical event.
	President Joe Biden is no more than an actor.
	To explain what I mean by this assertion here, I will use a citation from William Shakespeare, which I think is very soothing, and it comes from a pastoral comedy, as you like it, Act II, Scene 7.
	All the world is a stage.
	And all the men and women, merely players, they have their exist and their entrances.
	So inspired by Shakespeare metaphor, I want to give you, I want to synthesize what the Illuminati really think of the worldwide events, because this is what we try to do here at the Lille Zagami Show.
	We try to dig deeper.
	We try to dig really deeper.
	And inspired by this metaphor, we can say that, for example, A theatre is a building or an outdoor area in which dramas are performed.
	Additionally, every theatre has a backstage, which is the resource for the actors, movers and shakers in the performing arts before they go on stage.
	In my metaphor, the theatre allegorizes the mainstream social and political sphere and the overt historical becoming.
	First of all, the spectators of a theatrical performance have to buy a ticket in order to enter the theater.
	After entering the theater, they sit in a seat.
	In front of them is the theater stage, where the play will be played.
	The spectators who sit in the theater are the popular masses that are a culture to establish system.
	So they know what's going on.
	They enjoy the show.
	They sit down.
	And they have bought a ticket.
	They are probably sold or so.
	And they have definitely a link to the mainstream, whereas the others are just pariahs.
	There are four main forms of drama, namely states of historical becoming under this society, this capitalistic society.
	Comedy, tragedy, tragicomedy and melodrama.
	For instance, crises and wars and the world stage for the Illuminati are tragic plays.
	The consumer society and the welfare state falls under the category of comedy.
	It's ridiculous.
	But some people take it very seriously.
	Petit bourgeois behaviors fall under the category, of course, of tragic comedy.
	And the phenomenon of social climbing Political contestation, patriotism, and pity fall under the category of melodrama.
	Now, I might seem very detached and maybe a bit cruel by saying this, Christine.
	No, it just sounds clinical.
	It is clinical because remember, The intelligence officer does never have an opinion on what he's getting through.
	He can never have an opinion.
	He has to be like a blank sheet.
	The opinion is for the politicians, for the military generals, for those who take decisions, the officers that take decisions, but for the plain and simple military intelligence operative, well, it has to all be A script of this great game.
	In order for a theatrical performance to be played, first of all, there must be a scriptwriter, of course.
	Somebody must write the script.
	We saw the recent crisis in Hollywood, what happened.
	The scriptwriters of the theatrical plays that the popular masses see and perceive as historical reality, which is complete bullshit and what you go and learn in your university, which teach bullshit, are the members of the ruling transnational capitalist elite.
	People like Rockefeller, Rothschild, the people that basically are the scriptwriters of your reality.
	Oh, let's make a war in Ukraine.
	Oh, let's make a war in Israel.
	Oh, let's make a war in China.
	Whatever.
	They are the scriptwriters of the Illuminati.
	The assistant stage directors of this play are the diplomats.
	The diplomats, as we will learn soon, have been from the very beginning also intelligent operatives.
	And though it's not always ethically and morally fit to mix the two things, it happens.
	Because of the status of a diplomatic man who is basically untouchable by ordinary law, That is basically the status of an intelligence operative that at times has even license to kill.
	The members of the diplomatic corps of the various nation states and international organizations are the assistant stage directors of this play, of this worldwide play that we see played every day in front of our eyes.
	So this is very important.
	Furthermore, for a theatrical performance to be played, we need actors who will take on different roles.
	Now, the actors who are leading roles are the politicians.
	They are the actors of this play, of this intelligence game in which Spycraft operates.
	The actors who have supporting roles are, of course, the journalists.
	You know, they have supporting roles.
	They don't have the key roles, but they have supporting roles.
	You see them, you know, And often they operate within what is known as psychological operations, PSYOPs.
	The background actors are the members of the judiciary, the police, the armed forces, as well as the establishment technocrats.
	Theatrical productions usually have sponsors.
	We have sponsors.
	We thanked them today.
	The sponsors are the business people, specifically those capitalists who are hierarchically inferior to the ruling transnational capitalist elite, you know, the scriptwriters.
	They're all child of the situation.
	Finally, theaters have, you know, have stage managers who provide technical and organizational support to the director, the actors, the designers, the stage crew, and the technicians throughout the production process.
	The stage managers are, basically, also the various priests, the religious leaders, the establishment spiritual gurus, and the leaders of the conformities, freemasonries, and other fraternities or private exclusive membership clubs like the Bohemian Club.
	Consequently, the way in which culture, history, politics, and economics are taught to us is always distorted.
	And it's presented to the masses in this capitalist system in a way that is inextricably linked to the capitalist establishment, aimed to manipulate the minds of the masses and even to stupefy the bourgeoisie, and no matter how cultivated and conscious the petty bourgeoisie may possess.
	There is various conceptions of how intelligence should be based, and there is also a scientifically rigorous understanding of The craft of espionage.
	So today, we're not joking.
	We're not talking.
	We're just opening our mouth, like most people do, unfortunately, in the media, especially when they discuss these subjects, because these subjects are very much discussed in the dramatic, melodramatic, even comedy way, where you put on the TV and you see the latest spy film, but never in the scientific way that really makes you understand what we need What is espionage?
	What is made of?
	So today, I want to go through a few figures in history that are definitely important and will make us understand more about the craft of espionage.
	And at the same time, I would like to make you understand really what an intelligence operation is.
	It starts from an intelligence assessment.
	That is basically gathering of information.
	But how are you going to gather your information?
	Now, your information is gathered, usually, from all-source intelligence.
	And all-source intelligence has various capabilities to get this intelligence.
	Some of it is open, it's in front of us, a newspaper, a book, anything.
	Now, the first form of intelligence is, of course, human intelligence.
	It's the most natural one.
	It's human to human.
	NATO defines human as a category of intelligence, and I'm quoting NATO, derived from information collected and provided by human sources.
	So this is where you go into the espionage, reconnaissance, interrogation, suitable or not agent to then In some way convinced and maybe bring on your side if they are so good or maybe you need to eliminate them or maybe you need to feed them with false information but at that point we are basically already going into the realm of counterintelligence.
	Now this is one of the forms of intelligence.
	Then you have massive.
	What is MassInt is measurement and signature intelligence, and is a technical branch of intelligence gathering, which serves to detect.
	It's like, basically, to make it simple, a little bit like CSI, Crime Scene Investigation.
	You are basically gathering through means of scientific and technical intelligence, You are now analyzing the data obtained and at that point you are gathering this intelligence.
	So there is also discipline that goes along with it.
	The MASSINT has a discipline of intelligence analysis and management and has been recognized as a discipline from the United States Department of Defense since 1986.
	This is basically a technical means of gathering information, and it's part of the sources of intelligence.
	But, of course, MASSINT, and then you have the more known SIGINT, which is basically signal intelligence.
	Now, signal intelligence, of course, often encrypted, encrypted.
	Signal intelligence is intelligence gathered by interception of signals.
	And there is actually places where all this stuff, it's, you know, where, like, for example, here in America, where we know, you know, that a lot of it goes into the Pentagon.
	But when it comes to To the Brits, they have their own headquarters that is very well known.
	It's very impressive, by the way.
	And it's one of the most impressive I've ever seen in the world.
	Also because it's in a typical British surrounding.
	It looks like it has landed from another planet, like a spaceship.
	I'm talking about the GCHQ headquarters.
	And when Snowden started to give his information, that was the first place that really went, like they say, went on fire.
	Watch this place.
	Wow.
	And a lot of the information goes there when it comes down to Great Britain, of course.
	Great Britain, like we all discovered in the interview that we will have exclusively today during the show with the author of this book, Daniel Adi Irandost.
	Well, let's discuss it later with him.
	I recorded the interview, of course, because of the time difference.
	So I have it already ready for you.
	But let's move further because there is another film that I loved when I was a kid and it's The Three Days of the Condor.
	Oh, that's a good movie.
	The Three Days of the Condor is really a classical tale of espionage, counter-espionage, corruption within the intelligence, the central intelligence in this case.
	Yes.
	Here's the trailer.
	Welcome to the Liesga Mischel.
	This is a major.
	This is Joe Turner.
	Identification?
	My name is Turner.
	I work for you.
	Now, listen.
	Identify yourself.
	What is your designation?
	Uh, Condor.
	Something has happened.
	Section 9, Department 17.
	The section's been hit.
	What level?
	What level?
	Level of damage.
	Everybody.
	Dr. Lapp, Janus, Ray, Harold.
	Everybody is dead.
	What is it?
	What is it?
	Are you damaged?
	Damaged?
	No.
	Are you armed?
	Identify the armament.
	It's a .45 automatic.
	Will you guys bring me in, please?
	I'm not a field agent.
	I just read books!
	This is the panic officer.
	Section 917 may have been hit.
	Hit confirmed.
	It was a quality work.
	Clean, fast, first-rate.
	Except they overlooked one item.
	You say one of my people is still okay?
	Condor, you know it?
	- No. - This is Condor.
	Who's this? - Deputy Director Higgins, New York Center.
	I'm controlling now, Condor.
	Where are you?
	How come I need a code name and you don't?
	The head of your department just came here from D.C.
	He's gonna bring you home.
	I've never met him.
	Don't worry.
	Two years military service.
	Separated 9-61.
	Worked at Bell Labs Communication Research College on the G.I.
	field.
	This Condor isn't the man his file says he is.
	Wait a minute, I don't... Get in the car.
	Don't make a sound.
	Don't be dumb.
	Come on, hurry up.
	Get in.
	I work for the CIA.
	I am not a spy.
	Your assignment for today was to go out and kidnap a girl.
	I'll need your help.
	Have I ever denied you anything?
	I don't think you're gonna live much longer.
	Well, I may surprise you.
	We have games.
	What if?
	How many men?
	What would it take?
	Seven people killed!
	And you play games!
	And the other side does, too.
	Condor is an amateur.
	He's lost.
	Unpredictable.
	He could fool a professional.
	Yes?
	Do you believe the Condor is really an endangered species?
	Include the Condor episode without any more noise.
	We're already visible.
	Let's not become conspicuous.
	If company agents aren't enough, use freelance.
	is whatever it requires, but end it.
	Robert Redford and Faye Dunaway in danger and in love in Three Days of the Condor.
	Sidney Pollack, great movie.
	One of my favorites came out in 1975 and of course I started watching it when I was a kid.
	Well, this is today a show dedicated to Spycraft and the Secrets of Espionage.
	And I want to give you a brief history of the history of espionage, because it's important that we understand where all this is coming from, because it comes from antiquity.
	I mean, you have, of course, now all kinds of methodologies and all the rest.
	But when it comes to the history of espionage, the first guy is Sun Tzu.
	Sun Tzu really created all this.
	He was the creator of the first Chinese espionage gathering organization.
	It's incredible what this early pioneer managed to do.
	And in fact, I'm actually quite impressed with him even today.
	When you go into his book, you know, The Art of War, chapter 13, you can find really defined a lot of what characterizes espionage even to this day.
	So it's like Kind of interesting, and I think for this reason, I would like Christy to at least read a couple of these paragraphs.
	Make it bigger?
	I don't know, because then it will go out of the screen.
	It's very small.
	All right.
	A major military operation is a severe drain on the nation and may be kept up for years in the struggle for one day's victory.
	So to fail to know the condition of opponents because of Reluctance to give rewards for intelligence is extremely inhumane, uncharacteristic of a true military leader, uncharacteristic of an assistant of the government, uncharacteristic of a victorious chief.
	So what enables an intelligent government and a wise military leadership to overcome others and achieve extraordinary accomplishment is For knowledge.
	And then he says, there are five kinds of spy.
	The local spy, the inside spy, the reverse spy, the dead spy, and the living spy.
	When the five kinds of spies are all active, no one knows their roots.
	This is called organizational genius and is valuable to the leadership.
	I think Biden's the dead spy.
	He's a zombie.
	He's a Manchurian candidate, a brainwashed Manchurian candidate.
	So this is basically Sun Tzu.
	Sun Tzu, like I said, the guy who really started it all.
	And it's right from him that we start, of course.
	We can also go further with the Bible.
	But the Chinese general, military strategist, and philosopher, Sun Tzu, lived six centuries before Christ.
	He's widely acknowledged as the instigator of the first fully operational espionage network.
	His book entitled Ping-Fa, The Principles of War, is the earliest known textbook on the art of general warfare.
	It remains required reading in many military academies to this day.
	Sun Tzu was a Chinese, and according to Sun Tzu, in order to defend the state against others and to wage war economically, it is necessary to employ a permanent espionage service, spying on neighbors and enemies alike.
	Thus Sun Tzu argued that espionage should be regarded as honorable and agents should be granted access to their political and military leaders at all times.
	And this is basically what happens.
	But Sun Tzu wasn't the first who invented the art of espionage.
	Closer to us here in the West, we had Alexander the Great.
	Who was under the tutelage of the famous Athenian philosopher and scientist Aristotle.
	I'm talking about a guy who conquered half of the planet, Alexander the Great.
	And he fused the espionage and cultural diplomacy into a shred and effective instrument of government.
	But he's not the only one.
	There is a character who has probably defined espionage more than anybody else that I know, at least in my studies, because he has richly created the British, the English intelligence services, which really the English intelligence services, which really have been the first ones for a reason, because after the foundation of the Jesuits, the Jesuits started to immediately plot against the English monarch.
	And so the English monarch, to defend herself, which was Queen Elizabeth I, had to create a secret service, which was in the hands of a guy called Sir Francis Walsingham.
	So, this guy became really the guy who really directed the Elizabethan state, overseeing foreign, domestic and religious policy.
	And he was nominated at one point the chief of the espionage and then later on immediately took on the diplomatic role and went in France as a diplomat.
	So, from that moment onwards you start seeing this parallel between spies and diplomats.
	But this guy, of course, he created also a secret society.
	He employed Christopher Marlowe.
	Christopher Marlowe was somebody that we mentioned in the past, because he was a playwright who wrote about Faust.
	And he was also a spy.
	He was a member of the Privy Council of Elizabeth, just like Francis Walsingham, who, I repeat, is a very important figure among the pioneers of espionage, which we are discussing.
	He's acknowledged, like I said, as the creator of the first viable secret service in England.
	His father, William Walsingham, was a successful and well-connected London lawyer, and his mother, Joyce Denny, was a daughter of the courtier Sir Edmund Denny.
	Sir Francis Walsingham was basically a Protestant.
	So, he was very close, so that way he could be fully trusted by the Queen, who was Protestant, because there was this sabotage that was constantly brought against the Protestants by, of course, Rome and by the Jesuits.
	So, he continued these activities even after the death of Queen Mary I, as he started to He basically started to work for the Roman Catholic Queen, but then he switched sides because he was Protestant.
	He was a pioneer in espionage, but at that time there was another pioneer of espionage, who was John Dee, who is the one who Signed himself 007, as I wrote in volume one of my confessions.
	And at the same time, there was a lot of spies because, like I said, it was mostly counterintelligence.
	So we have to go back to explain really the various branches of intelligence before we can go further, I think, in the assessment of what we are discussing.
	We said that We stopped at CG, so the signal intelligence, but this is all modern stuff.
	Of course, at the time, it was only human intelligence when there was the first intelligence rings.
	We have imagery intelligence nowadays, which is intelligence gathering discipline, which is based on imagery.
	This imagery can be gathered through satellites, through photos that are done on the ground.
	And it's regarded as a very important side of intelligence.
	You have OSINT, which basically is open source intelligence.
	Open source is the collection and analysis of open sources that we have.
	We have basically all around us.
	Like I said earlier, it can be a newspaper, it can be... it's usually stuff that is not classified, because then when you go into the classified, it's not open anymore, and you need a security clearance.
	Yeah.
	Now, before going into the security clearance discussion, we have also technical intelligence, which is basically about weapons, and it's a very important branch that the military intelligence in particular regards, because it goes into the studies of the enemy's weapons, what they have available.
	And it's very technological these days, because we know, with all the advances in technology nowadays, for example, we know that America is not really, has not really done very well with hypersonic missiles.
	But we know that Russia has developed already in China hypersonic missiles.
	That is, for example, Part of this possible intelligence gathering that maybe goes on.
	We have also another thing that's very important to understand.
	In the last decades, the rise of private intelligence firms and the rise of industrial espionage, even at the military level.
	For example, the Chinese intelligence is works night and day to retroengineer and steal every possible secret from any company in the world.
	And it's part actually of the activities that they do within the Chinese intelligence of the Queen Boo, which is part of their intelligence network.
	And it's a very important part.
	People think, of course, about intelligence services.
	The other thing about CIA on this side of the world, the Soviet Union, the KGB, that later became the FSB.
	But the KGB was born only in the 50s.
	There is a whole story that goes back to Vladimir Lenin, who created the Cheka.
	That was the first form of intelligence services.
	And before that, there was the infamous Oshrana of the Tsar, who unfortunately forged the protocols of the Sages of Zion, which are still now so popular.
	And with so much evil that is still unfortunately felt to this day.
	But there was a reason for that evil.
	The last Tsar of Russia was trying to counteract these communist Bolsheviks in some way and he created, when he saw that a lot of Jews were also involved with all that, he attacked them frontally and he started to push this forgery which is the Protocols of the Sages of Zion that later on
	was picked up by Theodor Fritsch, who was the Grand Master of the Order of the Germans that had the most powerful lodge in Bavaria, the Tuilegesche Schalf, which also saw Adolf Hitler.
	And he republished and gave, of course, his first copy to Adolf Hitler, writing there, I think in 1923 he published this book in German and it became, of course, a bestseller.
	They were all anti-Semites and the Protocols of the Sages of Zion is completely anti-Semite crap.
	Now, remember, guys, don't fall for everything that you see around you, because it's all an illusion.
	It's all P.S.
	And either you get it with this show today or either you will never get it.
	In the history of the world, when it comes down to intelligence, we have also the early Bible, the early Bible, the history of the early Bible, because Moses, before arriving in the promised land, sent a bunch of spies in to see and check out the whole situation over and over again, and then eventually, when the Jews will arrive in front of Jericho, there were spies inside Jericho.
	Espionage is really old, and I would say that the oldest form of espionage is probably military espionage.
	Now, another important center of espionage is maritime espionage.
	The foundation of the Office of Naval Intelligence has played a very important role.
	It's the military intelligence agency of the United States Navy, established in 1882, and it's a very powerful member of the intelligence community, the founder, Theodore B. M. Mason.
	He was the first head of this office of Naval Intelligence.
	Naval Intelligence is a very, very powerful form of intelligence.
	It's regarded as one of the first and most powerful ones.
	Why?
	Because the first thing you do, you go to a port with your ship, you go off the ship with your sailors and you have a day in the town around you and all that.
	Now it can be, of course, a military ship or it can be a civil ship.
	But you will discover a lot of things if you are, I don't know, in the port of Shanghai, in the port of I don't know what around the world.
	You will see things.
	See, we go back to that little clip I showed you from the film based on Kipling's book, Kim.
	And then, of course, you have maritime law, as Jordan Maxwell always used to mention, which is very important for the system.
	And then you have You know, the evil figure.
	Even Ian Fleming, he designed an evil figure for James Bond.
	And this evil figure in James Bond is something that Ian Fleming in some way needed to base the James Bond villains.
	We have a bunch of them, no?
	But who was the original James Bond villain?
	Now, I talk about this in Volume 7 of My Confessions, which has a lot of interesting elements also on how Israel obtained, for example, the first nuclear shipment to start their own nuclear program.
	Thanks to who?
	Klaus Schwab.
	So that gives him a very important role in this equilibrium of forces.
	He actually managed to get the nuclear weapons, the base for constructing it, also for South Africa.
	But I'm talking about Klaus Schwab.
	Klaus Schwab is a big player in the intelligence game.
	You know, you have all these villains in the James Bond movies, and I think that one of the people who inspired more Ian Fleming was an existing guy called Sir Basil Zaharoff.
	Can you pick me up Volume 7 of My Confessions?
	Welcome to the Leo Zegami Show!
	We are going through Spycraft and the Secrets of Espionage.
	I talk about this subject in all my books, so it's very good that I can today dedicate a whole show.
	Probably, you know, one show is not really enough.
	It's only enough to scratch the surface of this whole thing.
	Here I talk about all the connections of Klaus Schwab and what led to that.
	The turbines of the Klaus Schwab company, I mean, that could have produced actually the first atomic bomb for the Nazis if the Nazis were not stopped by the Norwegian partisans that in some way managed to stop them.
	But the other guy I wanted to talk about was the guy I mentioned to you earlier, Sir Basil Zaroff.
	This guy is This guy was a real man of mystery.
	Not for a joke.
	I mean, if you go on his Wikipedia, they actually say he was considered a real man of mystery.
	And he was the biggest arm dealer because a lot of the business that goes on in places like the Monte Carlo Lodge, which I was involved with, is all about weapons.
	That is the main business.
	But of course, this guy was a member of several important orders.
	Including the Order of the Buff, which is considered in Great Britain a very important order.
	And this guy was a guy who inspired Jan Fleming in creating some evil figures that can get away with anything and that plot behind the scene.
	But this guy was really plotting around the scene.
	I mean he was He was considered one of the richest men in the world during his lifetime.
	Zaroff was described as both a merchant of death and a mystery man of Europe.
	So he was like, you know, like the really rich figure.
	The real Dr. Evil of the Situation.
	That's really what he was.
	The Dr. Evil of the Situation.
	And he inspired, of course, Ian Fleming when he was creating his characters.
	And in fact, I talk about it here in this book, where I, of course, talk also about Frau Schwab and also here, you see.
	And then I show, in fact, this is actually a character from Donald Pleasant's, the actor that was the first actor to play Spectre Chief Ernest Stavro, the actor that was the first actor to play Spectre Chief Ernest Stavro, who is basically the first real evil figure within the James Bond Mm-hmm.
	Creepy, with his facial scar and stuff.
	Okay, guys, at this point, I want to welcome on our show our guest, Daniele Adi Irandost, author of A New Vision of Spycraft, this book.
	I want to, of course, invite all of you to purchase my books to support the show and, of course, donate to continue working with you in this exploration that is digging deeper and deeper.
	Today we went quite deep here.
	I mean, we've been discussing... Why are you laughing?
	Nothing, I was going to cough and then I laughed at the same time, so then it came out like a cough laugh.
	Okay.
	There could be actually a whole section also that we could dedicate to people like Hassan Albana, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, or Jamal al-Din Afghani, and how they were controlled by the British intelligence.
	So we are still living You know, the Muslim Brotherhood is the creator of Hamas.
	So we're still living on the... And everything is a big scion.
	Everything is a big game.
	But we're going to be discussing it now with Daniele.
	Like I said, I recorded the interview earlier because, you know, now in Great Britain is like the middle of the night.
	And it's more or less a half an hour interview with an academic Who is very well researched on this topic.
	Well, I'm just going to leave you to the interview.
	Hope you enjoy it.
	There is a couple of moments where my image freezes, but the audio goes on.
	I think it's because of the connection that we had earlier.
	But in any case, I think you will definitely enjoy this new vision of Spycraft with my guests.
	The field of intelligence studies as an academic discipline has served as a conduit, let's say, through which the calibration of foreign policy, the history of war, the history of diplomacy, the development and declines of empires and the creation of new countries has been established.
	And of course, The recent restructuring of the international system in general has been subject to new methods of inquiry and analysis in this field that include the rise of the AI, of course, but also the involvement of the occult in past centuries.
	Furthermore, the field of intelligence studies is intimately related to business and economic policy, business intelligence being an integral part of The intelligence field, even if it's usually practiced by private intelligence firms.
	And intelligence has more in general the responsibility of the organization and management of any human community.
	And this happens from very ancient times.
	In this new fascinating book, which I have here in my hands, a new vision of spycraft or necessary notations on espionage by Daniel Am I spelling it right?
	Yes, Irandost, yeah.
	He is a rising scholar of spycraft and espionage who originally wrote these essays during his academic studies at the Aberswitz University.
	How do you spell it?
	Aberswitz, yeah.
	That's a good one.
	Okay.
	For a bachelor's degree that you have obtained in International Politics and Intelligence Studies, as well as a Master's in Intelligence and Strategic Studies.
	Daniel writes about his own involvement with the espionage of the art of spycraft.
	Personally, and I'm quoting him, my involvement in these acts, or the lack thereof, I will not affirm.
	So I will leave it there regarding that.
	We will pass on to the questions to my illustrious guest who is here with us, the author of this fantastic book.
	Now, first of all, give me a brief introduction, Daniel, to the history of intelligence.
	And it's connections to religion and the occult, like you have outlined in your own book from Sun Tzu, who is widely acknowledged as the instigator of the First Fully Operational Espionage Network, to Sir Francis Wasingham, Principal Secretary to Queen Elizabeth I of England, Very Lucius figure.
	And of course, we will also mention the fact that he was involved in secret societies, allegedly the founder of the Secret Brotherhood of the Holy Trinity, a counsellor of the Order of the Gator, a member of the Privy Council.
	He was definitely a very interesting character.
	I will also have added maybe Christopher Marlowe, who used to work for him, or Daniel Defoe, other person involved in espionage activities, but you also have mentioned in more recent times Maxwell Knight, Ian Fleming, of course the creator of 007, Dennis Whetley, and of course the infamous Alistair Crowley.
	All these figures seem to have been connected, Daniel, in one way or the other to the occult.
	So what is the connection that you unveil in the first pages of your book between religion, the occult, and the craft of espionage?
	Well, Leo, thank you very much for that introduction and thank you for inviting me to do this interview.
	It's a great honour.
	So, I mean, let's begin with... The pleasure is mine, as they say in England!
	Well, I mean, let's begin with the fall, the fall of Adam and Eve.
	So, in Judeo-Christian culture rests on the foundation of, you know, the foundational myth of the fall.
	The fatal moment when a transgressive desire to know led to a damning enlightenment.
	And it was that sort of desire to know, that insatiable curiosity.
	So we've got to remember that as perhaps the source of how it all starts, this sort of desire to know.
	But there's always been a connection between espionage and the occult.
	In both fiction and reality, like you said, Dennis Wheatley is an example.
	In his book, they use dark forces in one of his novels.
	He describes a battle between British and Nazi magicians to end World War II.
	Then we've got the founding father of the British Intelligence Services, Sir Francis Walsingham, who you mentioned as well.
	He was Queen Elizabeth I's spy master.
	Elizabeth I's official astrologer was John Dee, a linguist, mathematician and practising magician.
	He travelled widely in Europe as a scholar, semi-diplomat and almost certainly as a spy for Walsingham.
	There are lots of authors who have also suggested that Alasdair Crowley himself worked for British Intelligence during World War One.
	Dennis Wheatley, who published in 1934, The Devil Rides Out featured Mokatta, an occultist clearly based on Crowley.
	Dennis Wheatley himself worked during World War II for the London Controlling Section, a secret government department charged with coordinating strategic military intelligence.
	We also know that he had a hand in Operation Mincemeat, as well as the advanced planning for D-Day, which was one of the most famous military deceptions in history.
	Ian Fleming fictionalised his own experiences in naval intelligence through the persona of James Bond.
	We know that You know, he's the most famous spy in the world.
	And if we return, if we go back in time, even the way in which John Deeb signed his confidential correspondence to Queen Elizabeth, you know, the two circles to signify that he was the Queen's secret eyes.
	With a square root sign or, you know, an elongated seven.
	That's the thing I showed in volume one of my confessions.
	It's definitely something that in one way or another has inspired, I guess, Ian Fleming.
	Yeah, yeah, I mean, oh, I mean, Leo, I've read your books.
	They're absolutely amazing.
	I haven't gone through all of them, but I've read 666 and your volume 666 and 5, I think so.
	Well, I didn't want to interrupt you, so please continue.
	No, no.
	So, yeah, I mean, intelligence and the occult are closely linked.
	And I mean, the first story, you know, it comes up in the Bible as well.
	Moses sends spies to the land of Canaan as a reconnaissance team.
	He sent them to the land of giants.
	I mean, that's a very complicated story.
	In reality, in your book, you seem to imply that the first form of intelligence is military intelligence, for that reason.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, and Sun Tzu, I mean, the art of war, it's about sort of the battle between generals.
	You know, if you want to win a battle, you've got to know what your enemy knows and you've got to know what you are good at, your advantages, your disadvantages.
	I think that the second question will fit maybe a more in-depth analysis of what you're saying.
	So what is counterintelligence for the profane individual and the need for strategic deception in the use, for example, of cryptology?
	That has a long history as I've outlined myself always in Volume 1 of my confessions.
	And it's often used also in connection with diplomacy that also seems to be a mean for espionage activity often.
	So what is the role of counterintelligence and cryptology and diplomacy in the spycraft?
	Intelligence work is made of various things.
	So counterintelligence is one of them.
	Gathering intelligence is another.
	So counterintelligence is more like the shield instead of the sword.
	You know, counterintelligence would be things like strengthening your defenses, your cyber security, I connected with cryptology because cryptology is really mean now for protecting your own information and it goes back a long long time cryptology and intelligence go back a long long time.
	Exactly and there's actually a text I can't remember the I think it's called, it's an alchemical text that was published in the 15th century and it talks about, it's the first sort of cryptography, hiding, you know, hiding what you know from other people.
	So that's sort of the idea of cryptography.
	And, you know, I mean, as we know, Bletchley Park in the UK is perhaps the most famous organization in history.
	that specialised in cryptography.
	They broke through the Enigma machine, you know, the German, the Nazi sort of coding machine.
	I know it because my grandmother used to work for it, so I know it very well, yes, indeed.
	And it's definitely, like you say in the book, but this is a classic line, intelligence is seen as the first line of defence, so also defending information is of course categoric and important.
	In your Act Award, you describe the intelligence wardrobe as part of the Arcana Imperii or State Freemasonry, but as you outline You have a quote, enter the deepest, dirtiest pits of corruption which have reduced so many millions to a merciless subversion.
	It's like you are also very critical of the intelligence field.
	So can intelligence ever be ethically sound like you ask yourself in the book?
	And also for the civilizing of intelligence, which is a quote also picked up from your book.
	Wow.
	So I think I approach the ethics of intelligence through the knowledge of torture.
	So there are arguments that torture could be a good way to get information.
	So there's a scenario, the ticking bomb scenario.
	You've detained a terrorist who knows where a bomb is, And the idea is that torture can give you the location of the bomb before it explodes and kills thousands.
	So there are lots of problems with that idea.
	I mean, the first problem is it's a theoretical idea.
	It doesn't really apply to the practice of of how things work in the real world.
	Then there's also the human rights.
	It goes against international law.
	It's against the integrate, it goes against what we believe is human rights.
	So, the reliability of intelligence is also questionable.
	But is it possible to civilize intelligence when you need really this information no matter what, and of course you have the license to kill if that's the case?
	So, I mean, ethics and the morals involved in intelligence at times have to be bypassed in the interest of your own country.
	Yeah, yeah, I mean, so Yeah, I mean, I discussed this idea of the civilizing of intelligence.
	So what happens is, throughout history, we've got this sort of positive change that people don't like violence.
	They don't like to see violence.
	You know, if we go back to two centuries ago, we had public executions.
	Nowadays, people wouldn't want to sort of face that.
	So what happens is, in turn, is that these big things become more sort of isolated.
	They become hidden.
	So is it possible to civilize intelligence?
	It depends really, because intelligence is such a broad field.
	If you are talking about cyber security, strengthening your defenses, having stronger defenses, I think that's legitimate.
	I think That's a perfectly ethical thing to do, you know, it's sort of having a shield so it's not going out and attacking people and spying on others, getting information, intruding on people's privacy.
	I mean, in Volume 8 of my compilations, which is actually a book I dedicate to the entertainment world, I actually talk about the torture that is done and was done in past years using music.
	Music, for example, like terrible death metal, blasted To maybe a poor Muslim guy who is there, of course contrary to his own beliefs, but also extremely frustrating, stressing.
	This is of course a practice that has been done even in Guantanamo, playing certain tracks over and over again.
	It seems to be a practice, though there is nothing really violent about music, but it can become really annoying, blasted at incredible levels.
	So your point of view here is that we need to reform in some way the intelligence world to reach a more ethically fit world.
	Yes, I mean one of the things that happens in democracies is you have an oversight of intelligence.
	I will interrupt you there because my next question is actually based on that.
	9-11 or the recent 7 October attacks by Hamas in Israel have clearly showed either intelligence failures or something more sinister or manipulatory on top.
	What is the need here by, and I want to ask you this because you just mentioned, but it's very important, I think, that we discuss it, of oversight, both in the UK where you reside and here in the US, because I see that you have outlined this, especially in Chapter 6.
	Yeah, so I mean, I discussed the Oversight Committee, the Intelligence and Security Committee in Parliament, and their responsibilities to Make sure that the intelligence services operate and carry out their duties within the constraints of national and international law.
	You know, I mean, when Snowden leaked his information, the Intelligence and Security Committee was one of the first mechanisms that went into GCHQ And the NSA, because they've got these sorts of liaison with international spy agencies, to see how the agencies undertook mass surveillance.
	And, you know, I mean, they released a report on that.
	It's on the Internet.
	It's on their website.
	And it details how the intelligence agencies of GCHQ and NSA, how they gathered mass surveillance.
	You know, it's sort of, some people say they're cheerleading the agencies, so they're sort of saying, oh, you know, I mean, they're sort of telling people what's happening, but, you know, they're not really critical of this idea of mass surveillance.
	You know, they're not really...
	Kind of have a difficult understanding is how it's possible for the Five Eyes, which is the intelligence alliance compromising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, the United States, to have a common oversight, because they don't.
	Each one has their own committees, their own systems of oversight.
	So it becomes really difficult in this kind of alliance to operate what you have detailed in your book.
	Yeah, that's exactly one of the problems that oversight of intelligence is facing.
	Where does the border between the national and the international start or stop?
	And we've got a case where If the court wants information from the British intelligence agencies, and if they release that information, which affects their counterparts in the United States, then, you know, that might damage relations.
	So we've got this sort of very complex oversight mechanism, which doesn't Work all the time.
	It's sort of it's trying to strike a balance.
	But if you look at the five eyes, you know, the Anglo-Saxon intelligence communities, it's some people, some some scholars argue that it's behind new democracies.
	So, you know, the former Soviet Union countries that became sort of part of the European Union, some people say that they're behind those countries.
	And obviously we've got the Scandinavian model, which is a lot more democratic.
	And I think perhaps the Anglo-American intelligence communities or the oversight mechanisms in these countries need to perhaps draw on those countries.
	But obviously there's a lot of discussions between these countries overall.
	Well, Scandinavian intelligence has a lot of dirt hidden under the table or wherever.
	Capital, wherever you want to hide it, that's for sure.
	So it's not, you know, everything that shows externally to be positive.
	At times you need to dig deeper and you will find some dirty compromises, sadly.
	But let me give you another important question, at least a question I regard as important, because in your book You have been rightly writing against the use of chat GPT that you have described as the last act of my life that I share with you after talking of the present slaughter of the human mind, which is also a very strong statement, which I actually agree with.
	However, in a recent article that I published on newsagami.com, the CIA creation of an AI chatbot will expedite the rise of cyber satan, I have explained how even the CIA and other US intelligence agencies will soon have their own AI chatbot like ChatGPT to guide them during their secret intelligence operations.
	So what do you think of this latest development?
	Well, I mean, artificial intelligence has had a substantial influence on civilization, whether in the form of algorithms and machine learning models or robots or autonomous systems.
	At least 75 of the world's 176 countries, according to the Global Surveillance Index, They're actively investing in and deploying artificial intelligence and the two main players in this is China and the United States.
	They provide AI for smart cities, facial recognition and smart policing.
	So we've got to be very careful about abuses of these We've got to know who owns these technologies, who's designing them, and who's ultimately accountable for their use.
	I find writing a very sort of a creative process and I don't want to when I when I said that you know when I mentioned I'll I'll never use chat gbt I mean that's sort of hinting at the the creative side of human beings I think that slaughters that basically and it's very sinister that There's a lot of sort of push for that.
	But, you know, I mean, I can see the benefits of that as well.
	You know, AI.
	Operational surrounding where you are also drawn by time limits and constraints.
	Maybe that has some kind of positive function.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, sort of using AI for health, you know, for, you know, predicting the climate or Medical problems, I think these are very sort of path-opening developments.
	But you know, I mean, we've got to worry about surveillance.
	Absolutely.
	The big brother watching you and I think that the cover of your book has that kind of Orwellian touch to it.
	Or am I getting it wrong here?
	Oh no, you've got it right.
	You've got it right.
	Last question.
	Going back to the recent 7 October attacks, Shin Bet should have been really the agency in charge of Gaza Strip, knowing what was really going on.
	Do you really think there was a failure or there is a willing somebody who has basically turned their eye to the other side here?
	I think it's probably both.
	Intelligence failures, they happen all the time throughout history.
	We've got the Yom Kippur War, for instance, in Israel's history.
	Some consider that an intelligence failure.
	I think it's probably both.
	Reliability is probably the key aspect of making sure that intelligence doesn't fail.
	There are lots of mechanisms how intelligence agencies make sure that they don't fail in their duties.
	So, you know, having a devil's advocate, that's a big thing in the Israeli intelligence agencies.
	Well, if after the war there will be a legitimate oversight of what happened, because that seems to be left for the post-war period, at least that's what Netanyahu has said.
	So we hope that the oversight will bring us some clarity.
	I want to thank you so much Daniel for participating today with our show and where can people find your book and find your work?
	Do you have a website also?
	I don't have a website.
	I'm starting to think about sort of You know, building one, making one.
	But my books are available on Amazon, the American Amazon and, you know, the British Amazon.
	My audience is an excellent book.
	I want to thank you because You set this book with a great dedication and thank you so much for participating today, Danny.
	God bless you.
	And I hope that you will also bring out many more books like this so we can be encouraged to have further looks in the intelligence world.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	The world watches and listens in horror, the peaceful pro-democracy demonstration in China comes to a violent and bloody end.
	Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
	Wolves hiding nearby.
	Wolves hiding nearby.
	So thank you to our guest Daniel Ady Irandost is of course of Iranian origin.
	He was actually born in Romania.
	He's a brilliant academic.
	We were glad to have him on and I must say it was a very good episode that today we brought to you with all the details and like I said before There is the element of psyops, you know, everybody talks about the psyops and nobody knows what they're talking about.
	So I wanted to show you after this goes in the machine, which is descriptive video of the US Army for Psychological Operation Group.
	Which came out a year ago.
	I wanted to show you how they explain the significance of PSYOP in their operations.
	And then, of course, we will gather Rambo for our counter, not intelligence, but our salutations.
	but a few minutes from now.
	Psychological operations has consistently been important throughout the history of warfare.
	You Using messaging and physical observables in order to change behavior in foreign target audiences in order to achieve a military objective.
	And while we're trying to use the same objective of changing behavior, there's other aspects to it that are kind of evolving.
	These are just means that we can achieve our strategic objectives without loss of life.
	And that goes to the basis of why I joined psychological operations.
	I think it was more of a challenge.
	I wanted To go further, I really want to take the service to another level.
	The SIOP preparation of the battlefield is that it has to begin before the war starts, before you begin to prepare the battlefield psychologically.
	It takes time, it takes some effort, and it needs to begin as early as possible.
	It's really too late to wait until the first round is fired.
	Psychological operations managed to convince the entire conventional army of Iraq to defect.
	So, when our forces went in, they were fighting the extremists, the Republican Guard, the hardened troops.
	But the regular army said, you know what?
	I agree with you guys.
	There's no sense in fighting the United States.
	How many lives were saved?
	How many people get to go back to their families?
	It's incalculable, but it's there, and it's super important.
	If you're interested in language, culture, working with the State Department, whole government approach to warfare, and the New Age way of fighting, I think PSYOP is definitely something you should look into.
	Well, Well, that's of course a publicity, a propaganda video from the army regarding this job, which has assumed also a great importance in recent years in the art of espionage and spycraft, or in this case also a sort of counterintelligence and in some way
	We have been able to avoid maybe greater disasters, but at the same time, like our guest said, we have to be very careful because these things are always double edged, you know, and you can get hurt very easily and they can be misused also very easy.

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