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Oct. 29, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show
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LEO ZAGAMI VS MARIA ZEEE ON WWIII
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Music The world is in a state of disarray, confusion, division and absolute chaos.
At this point, due to the escalation into World War III by what started in the Middle East.
Thank you.
But who are the real players here?
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The first question I asked at the start of this war was, why Israel and why now?
In an era of many people being afraid to face some of the most difficult questions, I'm doing what I know to do best, which is dig deeper.
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We don't know everything, but what we do know is that there's more to this story than we're being told.
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Leo Zagami, thank you so much for joining us today.
We so appreciate your time and you coming back on.
Thank you for having me on.
It's always a pleasure to have a good discussion with the great housey like Maria Z. Well, I absolutely think that robust discussion is required in this time.
I know you're not afraid to confront controversial topics.
Certainly I'm not.
Right now, my invitation to you really was motivated by the fact that I am of the firm belief that the very, very tragic situation that's happening in the Middle East right now As with COVID, as with the injections, as with the WHO takeover, everything that we are seeing is part of the New World Order's greater plan.
to lead people into the New World Order.
And so I'd like your take on that, Leo.
I want to talk a little bit about the history of Israel, the history of Hamas, you know, the Zionist movement, all of this, and do so from the perspective of someone who understands the New World Order in the way that you do.
So you tell me, where do you think we should start on this?
Well, I made it clear in my books and that's when I wrote in advance what we'll unveil in the coming years.
And in fact, I remember in Volume 2, aside from outlining the fact that everybody will be locked up in 2020 with the virus, I also opened the book with a very important chapter regarding the Temple of Solomon, the allegorical significance, but also the practical significance and the connection with the Zionist movement, the Freemasons.
And of course, that was explaining that that would be a critical part of the unfolding of the Third World War, which of course has started already with Ukraine and that is continuing in Israel.
However, there is a lot of connections between Ukraine and Israel that people might want to know.
Let's discuss those.
Let's definitely discuss those connections.
Let's start there.
I think that's very interesting.
Okay, the connection, the main connection is that some of the very early settlers, you see, the whole thing here is that, of course, people say Palestine to the Palestinians, but first of all, we have to be honest, there was never any Palestine.
There was the Ottoman Empire for almost five centuries.
But it wasn't Palestine.
And actually, there wasn't any Jordan, there wasn't any Syria, there wasn't anything.
There was the Ottoman Empire.
And so all these states that have come after the Ottoman Empire was dismantled were discussed in the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916.
And that was basically the United Kingdom, which has a lot of responsibility to bear on the present situation, and France.
And these two countries kind of went in when the Ottoman Empire was falling, and was falling also because this fall of the Ottoman Empire was incentivated by the Young Turks, by Ataturk, by what behind the scenes was actually the domain, the Sabbatean Frankists.
So, the Sabbatean Frankists were the ones that, as you know, I've talked about in many of my books, once again in Volume 9, but I also mentioned Sabata Ezebi was recognized as a prophet, first of all, by a guy called Nathan of Gaza.
Because he was coming from there.
Nathan of Gaza almost convinced Sabbatai Zevi to take on his position as the Messiah.
And at that point, after convincing half of the Jewish world back then, all over Europe basically, they tried to convince people that Sabbatai Zevi was the Messiah.
And even the Jewish Rabbinical Council in Jerusalem, which by the way was capable of reawakening thanks to the Ottoman Empire, which was quite different from the other, let's say, colonizers who lived in that area, gave the possibility for an integration, let's say.
Everybody was pretty integrated within the Ottoman Empire, though in the last period there was a lot of conflict, and then of course that conflict was pushed especially by the number one enemy, which was Great Britain.
You're talking with somebody whose great-great-grandfather was fighting Gallipoli with the Brits, so I know how, you know, this might seem.
But when it comes to There is here some very important things that people need.
There is, of course, the Balfour Declaration, and that is the most known.
But before the Balfour Declaration comes the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
And that is, unfortunately, what we are still living now, that has created, you know, when you put a bunch of Freemasons, Swear and Compass, on a big geographical map saying, okay, let's create a country there, we give it to the Ashmanite Royal family, we make them royals and that's it, it's their kingdom.
Kingdom of Jordan.
Ah, yes, okay, we make them patronage of the holy sanctuary, of all the holy ground, which also includes the Dome of the Rock, the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
Then you have, oh, Egypt, yes, Egypt, nice place.
Let's make it in a certain way.
Which are the borders?
Remember, these borders are all artificial, created by interest.
And so if we don't go back in history and we understand them, we think, oh, Jordan said this, oh, Lebanon said this, oh, Egypt said that.
Like I said, these countries are nothing.
They were just created in the last hundred years.
So let's go back.
And so here the main people responsible for this mess should sit down and the table should be Turkey, but Turkey is no longer the Ottoman Empire.
But still, with Erdogan, I guess they have quite a say in the Sunni world.
Then you have, of course, France, which is still quite very much a colonization power, still with colonies around the world and stuff.
Same for Great Britain.
But these are the main three responsible.
There is no responsibility to bear apart from that idiot of Bill Clinton with his demented Oslo Accords.
For America.
But America has very little responsibility because this mess was already created by the time, you know, the Jewish state was created in 1948.
And the main players there was, of course, Great Britain.
And Great Britain did a big mess.
So what happened was, of course, we have people in their ignorance today that march without really knowing history.
So it's a bit difficult to talk with people who are ignorant.
When it comes down to the right of Jews to be in their land, of course it's based primarily on the Bible, but then also on historic sources and artifacts which have been found all the time that confirm their presence.
And it's very much, it's very annoying to see that, for example, the Palestinian organization, that the Palestinians have this now denial, they have created this denial of even the Jews having the Temple of Solomon there.
I mean, you can't deny something that is obvious.
Those mosques are built on the second Temple of Solomon.
So these things have to be, okay, and plus, Another thing which I tend to say a lot, but it's very important, when it comes down to the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque, of course, they are in turn considered very important by the Islamic faith.
And we respect their belief, but we can't respect their bullshit, because Muhammad was dead for five years before the Muslims entered Jerusalem.
So, don't give us that crap that suddenly Muhammad went in the sky to heaven after meeting Moses and Jesus on the dome.
When there was no dome, there was nothing.
There was nothing.
There was the Byzantine Empire.
And the Byzantine Empire hated very much the Jews, and so the Jews actually helped the Arabs retaking back Jerusalem.
Now these things, and on the promise, which was not maintained by the Arabs back then, That on that small, very contested land, which is Temple Mount, there should be also a synagogue.
I have a question for you, because you said, you know, the Jews having their land is biblical.
There are a lot of Orthodox Jews who... I don't know, but I would like to go later on the fact that not all Jews consider this a necessity.
In fact, the necessity of having Both going back to Israel and claiming back the land or the necessity of rebuilding the temple is not really considered a necessity by people who understand that real Judaism has gone well beyond that and that in reality those things are material.
And the important thing, you know, for example, in the Chabad, which is considered quite orthodox, they believe that maybe the temple, the fair temple, will land from the sky.
And it's something more that assumes almost an allegorical importance, a symbolical importance, but it doesn't need to be built in matter.
And then, of course, there are those, for example, at the Temple Institute who say that we must rebuild physically the Third Temple.
Let's consider the Temple Institute, no?
My point was more about... But the Temple Institute is an organization that... Wait, before we get to the Temple Institute, Leo, my point was that there are some Orthodox Jews who actually oppose the State of Israel as a whole.
But that was another point that is important.
You need to understand that there is a whole, and here I'm talking, you know, when I'm talking to you, I'm one, I think, of the few people who in their homes has the Encyclopedia of Zionism in two volumes, which is a rarity that nobody I think has, if not in some very rare libraries, which opens up with a very, very much with
The Menorah, which by the way should be the real symbol of Israel and not the Star of David, and the image of Theodor Herzl, which created the first Zionist movement, which led to the Congress.
I agree with another gentleman who wrote these books, Marvin Alterman, That the Sabbatean Frankists infiltrated immediately after the first Congress in Basel, the organization, and at that point started pushing their own socialist leftist agenda, which manifested also very visibly with the kibbutz, which is just communism.
It's a form of communism.
Why all these communists?
Because these communists came from Russia.
In 1905, there was a revolution.
It was a failed revolution.
The real revolution that would lead Lenin to power would come 10 years later, later on, a bit later.
But what happened in 1905 led a lot of Jews to abandon Russia and go to Israel because they were persecuted.
Those Jews had communist values.
I heard a rabbi actually talking about this, Leo, where he was saying that Zionism was basically birthed out of this identity crisis, this was his explanation, because of the fact that they were oppressed in Russia, they were looking for an identity and along came Zionism.
But there are so many rabbis that are opposed to it.
I think that's a bit simplistic.
In 1905, there was this revolution which failed.
Then, in 1917, there will be the revolution that functioned.
Between them, the Tsar, of course, persecuted the Jews because he saw them as siding with the values that, of course, undermined his empire.
And he was right to a certain extent because The certain Jews, which are not all of the Jews, who are basically Sabbatean Franks, sided with those values that are also the values of the Illuminati and the Communists, which were promoted, like I explained in my new book, Volume 9, in the Grand Lodge de France, which experimented the commune experiment in France, which was very much liked by people like Karl Marx.
And, of course, the product of all this are people who ended up through the various Aliyah.
Aliyah is basically the immigration which happened in five consecutive installments, which ended up in the Second World War, in which the Jews eventually recolonized Israel.
Now, we recognize that, of course, there is a problem here.
Because that re-colonization brought also some Arabs to have to move from their land.
But the problem also, they had to move from their land after they started to create a lot of problems in the 1930s, especially when they started to attack Israel, when Israel wasn't even a state.
They simply attacked the Jews.
They went after them, and that gave birth after to the Haganah, which is the very early stage of what is now the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force.
So, are the Jews wrong?
Are the Palestinians right?
There is no Palestinian or no Jew right, because the responsibility goes back to the United Kingdom.
Interesting.
Lord Rothschild was nobilitated first by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, second by Queen Victoria.
We're talking about the same family that is ruling now Great Britain, has all the responsibilities, and King Charles is the main person who should be going himself and sort out the situation with all the Brits instead of marching there.
Idiots!
You are the ones who didn't create Palestine in the first place!
and made this mess happen.
I see your point in the sense that you're saying... There is no point here.
There is only... It's very clear.
Mathematics is not an opinion.
If I'm in front of a geographical thing, and I start dividing countries, and I just couldn't cut a little piece of Lebanon, a little piece of Jordan, a little piece of Egypt to create the state to give to these Palestinians, it's because their interest is simply to have the Palestinian problem.
Because the more the problem continues, the more the hate continues, and the more they can continue with all that BS.
It's very sad, because that is in the end, you know, there's poor people, innocent people that pay for all that.
That's right.
So my point is, your point is simply that, that everyone that's looking, or at least this is what I'm getting from it, everyone that's looking at this situation without understanding, The complexity of the history of this region and why and who and who's pulling the strings will continue to have a simplistic view.
And of course, we have the catchphrases that come along with it.
I stand with Israel or free Palestine, you know, and no one really understands what either of those two things mean when they say it.
You also have the added element here of the Christian, predominantly evangelicals, who are, you know, supportive of Israel no matter what, and think that... Here we have to understand why.
Now, Theodore Elses, this guy which I showed you before, is actually somebody who is, of course, he was Jewish, he was a journalist, he was like us, he was a guy who was reporting on things, he reported on that terrible event which was the Dreyfus affair, which changed forever the way that we perceive antisemitism.
Now, without going into the whole Dreyfus Affair, because it would be too much of a long thing, and it regarded an officer in the French army which was accused of espionage, injustice, and all that.
We can understand, though, that the person behind Theodor Herzl wasn't the Jewish movement that we think is only the Jewish who want to go back to Israel.
No!
It was an Anglican pastor who convinced him to go to Israel, because he actually said, maybe we could go here, maybe we could go to the peninsula of Sinai, maybe we could find other options.
You know, the situation is difficult there with the Palestinians, the Arabs that live there, maybe it will be... So, there was a convincement.
The evangelical movement has a lot to do with Zionism.
Has a lot to do with Zionism from the very start.
I mean, the responsibility, Lord Shaftbury, all these things are things that go back for a very long time, that really explain to us more and more how the responsibility, though, goes always back to one set of people, which I know very well, because it's also my set of people, because I'm half British and half an aristocrat, so I know very well these people, and it's Great Britain.
The United Kingdom and the Windsors, that's it.
I mean, you can call them however you want, but they are the main responsibles for these people, for this problem.
Are you saying, okay, for the problem, but are they still responsible today, or are we now talking about bigger powers that are pulling these strings?
Now, the main thing that happened in the last few months, was that there was an increasing talk, ongoing talk, about finally changing the situation with an agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
What does it mean?
In the 80s, a group of very rich people Very rich people actually went to Israel and put $100 billion on the table as an offer if they could put the flag of Saudi Arabia on top of the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
Now, of course, Israel refused back then.
And rightly so, because it would not be very diplomatic.
And plus, you know, putting the flag of a state.
I understand that Saudi Arabia wants to be the patronage of Medina, Mecca, the whole of Islam.
Having said this, Saudi Arabia is, of course, closer to the Sunni world, the wide-beat world.
It's not Shia Islam.
And so it created a problem.
The fact that the Biden administration didn't understand this, they basically wanted to give the patronage, to extend the patronage, which is presently under the Kingdom of Jordan.
They are the ones who are patron, even after the 1968, after the events of the Six Days War and all the rest, that redrawn a bit, you know?
So what happens here is it will have included Morocco, it will have included possibly even Turkey, it will have included Palestine, they will have all had a joint patronage of the area.
This didn't really go down well with Shia Islam, which became a minority in this situation, because whereas Palestine only has a very small population of Shia, it creates a problem.
You understand?
So the solution Well, the solution was, of course, to side with the interest that the New World Disorder is pushing through.
And so in the end, the Amas attacked and triggered this whole situation, which then in turn shows us both the hypocrisy of the Arab countries that surround the area, because none of these countries in Rafah, nobody will let because none of these countries in Rafah, nobody will let out the people of Gaza, because they deem them as troublemakers.
Well, to be fair, Leo, I've actually seen, specifically Egyptian people, the people of the country, saying, let these people through, they need our help.
It's the governments, the governments.
Have you ever been in Egypt?
I haven't, unfortunately.
I'd love to go.
I have been guested by Mubarak and the family of Raoul Foucault, so I think I know Egypt a little bit better.
And I can tell you, people, they can say whatever they want.
That is not democracy, okay?
Even if you have whoever now Al-Sisi in power, People are not even considered.
I'm making the distinction, Leo, because I spend much of my time criticizing governments.
And that doesn't mean I'm against the people of that nation.
And the will of the people in that nation is often the complete opposite to the governments.
And that is currently the case in many of these Arab countries.
Somebody who, like me, who has had to flee Italy because of political persecution knows very well that when you try to change things, they simply go around.
The usual political activists, they say, one million to you, one million to you, Leo, you want a million?
No, I don't want a million.
So I have to leave the country.
So it means they're all corrupt.
Okay?
The people on top.
And if people don't do anything to change things, they deserve what they get.
They deserve what they get in Italy, they deserve what they get in Australia, they deserve what they get in America.
If people don't rebel and fight, which means 1776, they can't expect change.
Not inciting anything for the fans watching, just disclaimer.
What's that?
I said I'm not inciting anything for the Feds watching a disclaimer.
Please go on, Leo.
No, no, no.
But historically, I'm talking historically here.
It's not a question.
Historically, if you fight and shed blood, you gain your nation, you gain your borders.
If you don't do that, you don't.
So, in a way, you can say that the Palestinians are fighting, but they're fighting for their own cause, because you can't put together a nation, which is divided in two by another nation, in a situation which is completely manipulated, left, right, and center, for interests which are, of course, not of the Palestinian people, because the Palestinian leaders They're in Qatar, in their nice villa.
I saw them with my eyes in London, rich in Kensington, red hair, ooh, nice, golden thing, while the people die.
The problem is, and I repeat it, Persian mentality, Arab mentality, and somebody who is talking here has both blood of Persians, Arabs, and even Jews, They're all corrupt, and it makes me sick, because this is the same problem that made the south of Italy the depository of the mafia, because three centuries of Islam created Sicily the way it is, and this is somebody without Sicilian territory.
Can I just pause you Leo because you raise a really good point there see a lot of the people on the on the side that are sort of willing to criticize the Israeli government I'm not hearing a lot of people saying free Palestine criticizing the actions of the Palestinian government as well that really are all working in cahoots together I made the point the Palestinian government And the Israeli government, and the Australian government, and the US government all rolled out these poison shots to depopulate.
They all did it!
Yeah, yeah.
No, but the mentality that is prevailing today is it's divide et impera.
Divide et impera, it's a motto, which means divide and conquer.
Yes.
You divide, you conquer.
You divide the people in factions, it's more easy to control.
And this is what is happening today.
So that's why in my last book, I explained the mountain of lies that surrounds, for example, the Ukrainian war.
Sabbatei Zevi, of course, called with Natan of Gaza, they even made Gaza the holy city of the Sabbateans.
Cursing that city forever was already cursed, because that city descends from the descendants of the fallen angels, by the way.
So, that place is cursed already.
On top of that, the Templars built their headquarters, they had the Templars, when they controlled the area, they controlled the area from two bases, the Temple Mount and Gaza.
They had a castle there.
And from there they controlled the whole region.
And what they did, the Templars, and this is something that Alicia Jelley said in a book, and Alicia Jelley was the Worshipful Master of the P2 Lodge, which worked directly with Mossad and knew very well the situation.
The tempers were very good because they could rule the area just by putting Shiites against Sunni, Shiite factions against Shiite factions, different factions of Islam against each other.
It was the actual way the tempers were known to do it.
instigate one faction against the other, so they could then try... there's a saying in Italy, and the Templars used to know this very well, between the two, the third one is the one who wins, because you let the two people fight against each other, and the other one is that idiots, and we're gonna play with you!
Fight!
Fight!
So, Licio Gelli said that, And Dicio Gelli, like I said, he was a very powerful individual.
And when it comes to the present situation, of course, it is not the war between the Palestinians and the Jews and Israel.
That's just a cover up of the whole thing.
This is a war simply between America, which is allied with Sunni Islam, and Russia and China and Iran, which are Shia Islam.
And basically, it's two factions.
Now, the problem here is that they are trying to not trigger this whole thing too much.
The main reason why they haven't gone into Gaza is simple.
The moment in which the bloodshed reaches proportions that are unimaginable to this day, Shia Islam might unite with Sunni Islam.
Well, at that point, it's world war and it's chaos.
So it's something and it's chaos also for the people who are trying to control the two opposing factions.
Yes.
So that is what they're trying to avoid at the moment, but I don't know for how long, and I don't know.
When it comes down to the claims that all the various factions have, some people will say, but Israel has been the invader.
Israel has been invaded.
Well, let's see the situation here, because the pogroms And the Holocaust were not created by the Jews, were created by people who persecuted the Jews all over Europe, Russia.
The Protocols of the Sages of Zion were spread through the Russian Empire and through the Tsarist secret police.
They were the main people who started to spread the Protocols of the Sages of Zion.
So it is about the propaganda.
We're talking about a different Russia that freed them from the Nazis, that freed the world from the Nazis though, right?
Like, if we're saying that they were highly persecuted by Russians and Russians... At that time it was...
The Emperor, the Tsar, which in turn had this idea that both certain branches of Freemasons and the Jews were plotting against him.
In the end, we can't even blame him so much, because from my historic studies within Russia, I discovered that he was probably actually justified to have that attitude to a certain extent, because there were Those Jews.
But those Jews, the problem here is that we can't generalize them.
We have to go back to the division.
Sabbatean Francis, or Sabbatei Zevi, was then proclaimed the Messiah from Natan of Gaza.
Once the Jerusalem Rabbinic Council said they were not right, they made Gaza the Holy City.
Then, of course, Sabbatei Zevi in 1666 converted forcefully from the Ottoman Empire, had the I mean, it was the caliph of the Ottoman Empire who forced him to betray his own religion, but they even justified his betrayal of some of his followers, and that's where he gave the ground foundation for the Sabbateans.
A century later, Jacob Frank, born in Ukraine, gave birth to the Frankish faction.
These factions infiltrated the world Zionist organization and the movement right at the start.
So, when Theodor Herzl came at the beginning, like Robin Altman says, and like Barry Kamish says, because also Barry Kamish is another very interesting figure.
I don't know if you are a bit maybe too young to know, But I used to work back in the days with this gentleman called Barry Kamish.
Barry Kamish was a Canadian-Israeli who was living in Israel, fought the war in the early 80s when it was against Lebanon.
And also, when it comes to Lebanon, Lebanon was a great place until the Palestinians were moved there from Jordan.
The guy who now pretends to be the great protector of the Prince, you know, the King of Jordan, the Hashemite, they have a lot of responsibility.
Those people, those people basically kicked out all the Palestinians when the Palestinians showed themselves to be a bunch of communists.
So I don't care if you are Palestinian, if you are Russian, if you are American, if you are from the moon, if you are a communist, you are my enemy, personal.
And I side against them with whoever wants to side against them, because they... Until now, you're saying?
They, in the 70s, all those left-wing brigades, red brigades in Italy, all those communists around Europe, trained in Palestinian camps and disseminated horror to an extent which I saw with my own eyes in Italy.
Strategy of tension paralyzed the whole country in the 70s.
And those people were trained in the Palestinian camps.
So, I mean, it's very hard for, you know, for me, I have a personal vendetta against Islam, so it's very difficult to talk good about them, because they stole my only child in 2008, and I have never seen him again.
He was kidnapped by an organization of Muslims, the organization of Fethullah Gulen, and so I can't be Just objective about something like this.
I'm very passionate about it, okay?
But I also understand that normal Muslims might be good people.
There must be innocent people that will be, unfortunately, sacrificed in what's about to happen.
But I can't be objectively pro-Palestine in any way possible because they did something with me, which for me means vendetta.
And because it was done by descendants of Prophet Muhammad, they are on my black book until the end times.
Well, I'm sorry to hear that, Leo.
I wasn't aware of that.
And I think that whenever you're dealing with a conflict in a country, or when there is war, which is a religious war, there are going to be positions that people take based on historical acts of that race or that religion towards your people.
Usually it's all about theory, no?
I accept this theory against this other theory.
No, guys.
I saw Islam from within, because I was forced to take an Islamic name to marry a descendant of the Prophet.
I saw from within what happens in Medina.
I saw what happens in Turkey.
I saw what happens in their organization and in all the various organizations.
And in fact, I was working within the intelligence world.
So, you know, this is part of my experience.
I lived with my own self-experience in the Middle East.
I know what I'm talking about.
We can, like I said, for me the best solution at this point is to just pray for the return of the Messiah.
for the Christians, but it's the arrival of the Messiah for the Jews.
And it's going to be, of course, also for the Muslims because they accept Jesus in the end times.
And then at that point, we can discuss it from there.
If you don't believe that's true because you don't believe it's possible because you have too much of a pragmatic Western preparation of yourself that you will not accept that kind of view.
Well, then it will be difficult for me because in the Middle East, we all read, you know, I feel myself like a Middle Eastern person because I reason in matters of faith.
For me, it's a question of belief.
Well, it's a question of, and that's what I was getting to, it's a question of belief for all of these nations currently involved in the Middle East.
Everything is motivated, really, by religion for a lot of these people.
Okay, here we don't have a problem.
Okay, because in 1776, the people created a constitution, the great father founders of this nation created a constitution, which gave the possibility for us to each, you know, believe in what they want and coexist in a peaceful way.
We created a nation based on those prerogatives, and that nation strives until now.
Of course, what our forefathers, the people that came before us, didn't realize is that nowadays, in 2023, if you let the Western world, invaded by people from that part of the world, with their own set of beliefs, which is very strong, just as it is for me,
They will not comply with your constitutions, and sooner or later they will transform in a hellhole even your own country.
That is unfortunate, but that's what's happened.
It's manifesting.
Listen, I can give an example out of Sydney, where we have an entire suburb that basically operates under Sharia law.
There are police that, you know, struggle to go and enforce their own law in this suburb.
And so I find that absolutely despicable, because this country is not Does not operate under Sharia law and should never be bowing to something like that.
England as well.
Yes, absolutely.
This goes back, Leo, to a problem that Michael Yon, you know, fantastic analyst, talks about where they're doing this UN-driven replacement migration, where they're putting all these people that they know can't get along, can't possibly, you know, The concept of multiculturalism doesn't actually work, especially when you start to have religious tensions.
And we're seeing that now.
Because at the end of the day, your religion, that identity inside your religion, is going to overcome what your government thinks.
That's the truth.
My government can't tell me to do something that violates my religious belief.
That's why this great nation is being built on the separation of the two things.
But I think that America is the only country in the world that has this kind of constitution that is really so accurate.
Because when we go in other countries it starts to become a little bit...
Even Italy with the relation they have incestuous relation with the Vatican, same thing with France, Germany it's of course Very problematic, but it's still very much strictly in the hands of certain Christian organizations, of certain kinds of Christian organizations.
But in any case, I would say that today, if we have all this confrontation because of religion, it's because people have not really understood the tenets of religion, which actually usually is based on peace.
I mean, if we go into a genuine household of Muslims, who appreciate peace, we will be received in peace.
If we do the same with the Jews, Israeli or non-Israeli outside of Israel, around the world, many times I was guested in Jewish homes, we go in peace.
Shalom means peace.
And then the same can be said also for real Christians.
The problem is when we don't really understand their faiths.
And so we start fighting each other because those faiths are manipulated by what we call the Illuminati, like I explain in my books.
And the Freemasons, of course, know this also very well.
That's why, for example, from 1813 onwards, they let inside their lodges the books of the various faiths, rather than having only one faith there, which is Christianity.
The fact is that we are heading towards, though, a complete disaster because they are treating religions like they're treating, I don't know, and I'm sorry to repeat myself, I said this also in another interview, but it's not a soccer game.
We are not assisting to a soccer game here.
It's not football.
It's not a match.
That anybody can win.
It's something that we need to pause a second and say, okay, we have some common ground.
Let's try to work our differences out before it gets out of hand for the future of mankind.
I don't think it's nice to see the possibility of nuclear arsenals being used in the near future and destroying the future of generations to come.
So, it's better to diplomatically try to make some move, but there is no interest in that.
The interest at the moment is to foment war, destruction, because that is the way.
First of all, to control the population.
And second of all, to eliminate the population, because that's been their prerogative since they have decided to... I want to talk to you about that, the elimination of the population through nuclear war.
How is nuclear war possibly... I've asked myself this question.
A preferred course of action when they will destroy so much of the world that they're trying to preserve for themselves.
They want to push everyone into smart cities and enjoy nature and tell us we're not allowed in it.
How would they reconcile decimating places with nuclear war when they're actually planning to push people into smart cities?
Because they want to build those smart cities like golden cages in a desert of wasteland that doesn't have any other options.
You see, you have other... if you, at the moment, if you don't agree with what goes on in the smart cities, like I said in my book, you simply build yourself an alternative and you go out of it.
You go in the countryside, you go in the desert, you go wherever you want.
But if I create a wasteland, You are forced to go into the dome protected by the radioactivity, purified by the radiations and controlled 24 hours a day.
So that is the main thing, is to control us.
And they can't really control us if we are spread throughout the world.
But if we live in these golden cages that they construct for us, then they can have more control over us.
That is definitely an interesting theory and very possible, Leo.
I think that that's something that, you know, we should consider as a very real possibility.
I've often thought, how on earth are they going to achieve this?
You know, I just recently visited the United States.
There are so many people living Outside of big cities, particularly, you know, in the South, how on earth are they going to bring, you can't do a train derailment, you know, East Palestine trail derailment every single week.
You just can't.
But you can't throw a Satan 2 nuclear missile and you can't destroy the whole of Texas and reduce it to a nuclear wasteland.
And here's the thing, you know, we're saying this a little bit tongue in cheek, but it's true.
This is actually the risk that we're at.
And what they've successfully done, which is, like you said, divide and conquer.
Made the people so afraid to talk about all of this.
We don't agree on every single point, Leo, but we're able to have a conversation here and talk about what the wider agenda is.
I want to talk to you about this Third Temple because you do have people that are both actually, you know, some Jews and some Christians who think that this physical Third Temple is essential to build.
And, I mean, knowing from the perspective of those bringing in the New World Order, do they actually think the third temple must physically be rebuilt?
Okay.
Let's start from the concept of this temple because it's a little bit difficult, I guess, for non-Jews to understand the importance and relevance of this temple.
Now, we have, first of all, Moses that goes on Mount Sinai for 40 days.
Then he comes down with the Ten Commandments and he sees them already worshipping the golden calf.
He breaks the Ten Commandments and says, you're a bunch of idiots.
Goes back up for another 40 days.
At that point, of course, we have the instruction for the construction of the Ark of the Covenant, which is deemed as one of the most important artifacts that was then brought to the Temple of Solomon.
And, of course, we have the destruction of the First Temple of Solomon, the Babylonian captivity, followed later on then by the reconstruction of the Second Temple.
But what is it in this temple that is so important?
Why is it so important?
Now, it is about a very holy place in the sacred geometrical structure of the actual planet that brings certain energies in specific locations.
When they constructed this temple, then they also built a priesthood, the Cohen Priesthood.
And with that priesthood, the possibility to interact with God, but it will only be a purified person or priest that will access to God, just like it was Moses that had the possibility of connecting on Mount Sinai.
No one else was allowed to go up with him.
So, we, apart from who was authorized, but in this situation, about to see the possibility of a fair temple, is for me personally improbable at the moment, but at the same time is being pushed by
Those Jews who think that an object can put them back in connection with God and can bring about the messianic era.
The fact that, of course, that object that temple would be built by destroying the dome of the mosque and the Al-Aqsa mosque.
Now, I don't agree that the dome of the mosque and the Al-Aqsa mosque should be there because Mohammed went in there, because we said that is a fake, historic fake, and it's history, you know, I mean, it was, of course, very clever of the Islamic, of the Islamic people to, you very clever of the Islamic, of the Islamic people to, you know, Islamic scholars, very erudite, went on a surah in which there was this night travel of Mohammed on a winged creature that went on a surah in which there was this night
Okay?
Mohammed.
Muhammad was having some serious problems in that moment.
They didn't even want him in Mecca anymore.
He had a lot of problems with his own tribal affairs.
I would say that the very nature of Islam was built upon the tribal fights that went one for the other, you know, and that manifested immediately after the death of the Prophet in this division that we still have today at the basis of this conflict, which is Sunni and Shia Islam.
Yeah.
So, the fact that there is the Temple Mount Institute and other organizations that want to build this temple, and the New World Order might lead them to build this temple, is not something that traditional Jews these days agree with, because most Jews don't think that it's necessary.
It's a necessary thing.
For Christian, the Second Temple was a place in which Jesus had, you know, certain experiences which are very important, which are, of course, written in the New Testament, and led, of course, in the end to the destruction of the Temple, which in a way Jesus foreseen.
But let's go back to the root of the problem.
Who destroyed this Temple?
The Roman Empire!
Yeah, the Roman Empire.
Okay, who is the descendants of the Roman Empire now?
The Vatican.
They hold the seat of power that used to be of the emperors.
The actual destruction of the temple was followed later by other revolts of Jews against Romans that led in the end to the renaming of the city and also The prohibition at one point for Jews to even enter the city, because the Romans at that point waged war against the Jews.
So there was this confrontation with an occupational force which was made up of the Romans, which were assholes.
I mean, I'm born in Rome.
I'm from Rome.
I know the Romans.
They're assholes.
So, you know, I mean, better than me.
I don't think anybody can know Rome as I know it like my pockets.
So we are in a city of assholes who think they are the kings of the world.
And still to this day, they think nothing can bother them.
Since to this day, if you go to a Roman, he says, It would be like, we saw this happening.
Who cares?
Whatever.
Because, remember, Rome became also the place with the biggest Jewish quarter, the place where St.
Peter arrived and laid the foundation for what became later on the Vatican, and became later on the religion of the Empire.
And this religion of the Empire, you know, there was actually Emperor Adrian who wanted to try to rebuild the temple but he didn't manage.
Then there was later on Julian the Apostate and he didn't manage because it was God himself apparently that opposed it by these enormous balls of fire and stuff either a sabotage or either it came you know some say it's a sabotage some say it was God himself that didn't want Why they didn't want it?
Because it was, of course, one of the rabbis said to the emperor, said, we don't need your money to construct a new temple.
We will use our own money, our own forces.
But also, we have to understand, for the Jews, the moment in which the Second Temple ends is a transformation within Judaism of immense proportions.
This very start of rabbinical Judaism starts from the Second Temple.
Before, you didn't have rabbinical Judaism.
You had the high priest, but you didn't have the same concept.
So, there was, of course, the Roman Empire, which encouraged, like, like to encourage divisions amongst the various followers.
But the two factions, the Philistines, the Pharisees, and the Sadducees, they basically were different from each other, and the one that prevailed was the one that was the more conservative faction.
There is, of course, Rabbi Antelman that talks also about the Gnostic heresies that were also a big threat to Judaism at that time, and that, in his eyes, mined Judaism in a moment and made Judaism weaker against the Roman The Roman controller, invader, whatever you want to call them.
So, the Second Temple was destroyed also because of the weakness of certain Jews, of course.
Just like the First Temple.
And they recognized that.
Judaism recognizes that.
So, to rebuild now a temple is, of course, a requirement for them to usher in the Messianic era, but it is a requirement that is not urgent.
If you go by the canons of Judaism, you should still wait another 150 years, whatever.
Instead, because of the present situation, they want to try to Well, and this is what I wanted to talk to you about, Leo, because you said to me quite some time ago, you know, the New World Order is trying to bring about the Antichrist, you know, soon.
Soon.
They're trying to rush it in.
And we all know that, well at least Christians know, and you know lots of people listening to this are about to get offended with what I'm going to say, but I'm going to say it.
Christians know that the Antichrist will declare himself as the Messiah.
The Messiah has already come, his name is Jesus Christ.
The Antichrist, when he comes, will declare himself... You have to understand one thing though, Maria, that the Messiah needs to come back.
Jesus will come back but before Jesus comes back we have the rise of the Antichrist who's gonna say that he's the Messiah and many people will be fooled.
Well they say that basically If you want to go by the scriptures, the guy who will bring the peace in the Middle East at the time of most need will be the Antichrist.
Yes, he will make a seven-year peace treaty with the Jewish people, then he's going to break it halfway through and absolutely start slaughtering them.
He's not a good guy.
Well, that is basically, of course, the
traditional perspective that and of course there is a lot of evangelicals that seem to have different perspectives on but actually Christians in general have different perspectives in the necessity or not of a fair temple also because as you know in the New Testament I mean it is about really having the Holy Spirit within you and when you have a gathering of people you already have
So, you don't need a physical temple in a way.
They kind of like the way that the Christian New Testament was wrote, was already bringing us to a next level, which is actually accepted also by a lot of Jews that don't believe this temple should be reconstructed.
Having said that, the Temple Mount believes it needs to be reconstructed.
They're going through a series of, you know, building the Golden Meadow with half a ton of gold.
They've got the unblemished carves that arrived, ready for sacrifice as early as next year, they say.
Yes, yes.
So, you know, and then of course we will say that the Messiah will... but the problem here, everybody's focusing very much on this Antichrist figure, but they're not really focusing on the Messiah, because the problem is they're not ready to really bow down to God.
The moment in which this conflict will manifest in all its tremendous proportions, Well, then you will see also automatically, like in the first or the second World War, a lot of people going back to their beliefs, to church, a lot more faith.
A lot of people already are going back to their faiths because they're seeing the world which is becoming more hostile.
And for that reason, of course, the Vatican behind the scenes has been working since 2000, since like I wrote in Volume 6.66 and the following books, in Volume 7, on the creation of a one-world religion.
They made an encyclical, they made the Abu Dhabi Interfaith Center.
Interfaith Worship Center.
They held an interfaith service, declared a new ten climate commandments.
All the religious leaders came together.
It's absolute blasphemy, but here's where we are.
Yeah, because they are working on the exterior rather than the interior.
They think that by bringing the exterior, because when I say exterior, I say that all religions are, of course, at the moment, corrupted institutions, because in one way or another Freemasonry, the Illuminati, are controlling them.
So there is no more a religion that you can trust.
Even, you know, this whole thing, Muslims against Jews or Christians against Muslims, it doesn't make any sense.
The heads of the Catholic Church are all corrupt.
The heads of every imam there is in the world is corrupt.
The same thing can be said with most rabbis who are part of what Montefiore was pushing, which is progressive Judaism.
Basically, the values that they're pushing nowadays in the progressive side of Judaism are the same values that you find in the LGBTQ community.
Oh, absolutely!
It's not, this isn't, you know, anything to do with God's law and God's commands.
No, but they have betrayed, everybody has betrayed their own prophets, they have betrayed their own religion, they have betrayed.
It's not like a solution here that can be, but they are building still the exterior for a one world religion.
For those people, they can keep in this cage of beliefs in which they have to bow down to their religious representatives.
When instead, Jesus coming back, first of all, demonstrating to his fellow Jews that he was right and that he had the possibility to come back.
And that is already an important element.
But that is an element that will have to manifest in the end times.
And the same also for the Islamic people who, of course, have also said that in the end there will be Jesus, because Muhammad, after he ascended there at the Dome of the Rock, wherever he was there on Temple Mount, He kind of never came back and never wants to come back, even in the end times.
That is something that, you know, people need to understand.
In the various Hadiths and also in the Surahs, there is no mention that Muhammad will ever come back to this world.
My understanding of Islamic eschatology, Leo, was that actually many Muslims believe that Muhammad and Jesus will come back together.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
I mean, from the Sunni point of view, at least the way I A study?
No.
They believe that Mohammed has ascended too much.
I'll have to look at that again because I certainly don't want to have the wrong understanding.
I tell you because I was very much involved with Islam, so I can tell you at least from the teachings that I was given, there was always this very particular respect also from the Muslims who are almost forced in accepting Jesus in the end times.
So, from their own holy book.
Well, I guess they believe Jesus will return.
And actually, this also pushed them to marry some of the most, maybe far out, but some say far out, some say might be realistic, ideas that Jesus, in fact, didn't go on the cross because they have too much respect for Jesus.
So they couldn't see him on the cross and they, just like some Gnostic sects used to say, there was this transfiguration, so somebody else ended up on the cross rather than Jesus.
The fact that Gnosticism has been so dangerous within Judaism and within Christianity is something that I have talked about extensively in my new book, Volume 9, because I think that people need to understand.
That the Illuminati, the people who are ruling today our society, they have this obsession with Gnosticism, which is basically knowledge, but for a privileged few, not open to everybody.
So they are basically dismissing the evangelization, what Jesus was trying to do by bringing the Gospel to everyone.
They say not everybody is worthy, only we.
The chosen few will be able to, you know, reach the golden age.
And in that way, they want to reach the golden age, as you know, with the help of the AI.
So they know that the AI will be able to control robotics.
Robotics is now a reality which will manifest in the next 10 years with the automatically, they will create automatically a crisis like we have never seen before in mankind.
Because imagine this.
70% of the jobs, 80% of the jobs today will be replaced within 10 years.
I've even read statistics, Leo, that it was going to be up to 95% of jobs, whatever the case may be.
You know what that means?
It means they need to eliminate 70, 80, 90% of mankind.
Because what are you going to do?
Either you marry into the Harari concept, you'll know Harari has also been seen very much these days because he's of course from Tel Aviv, but he's a typical representative of what people like Antleman and Barry Kamisher wrote about for ages.
It's about a guy who, of course, has values that are completely different from real Jewish values.
What kind of values is Harari promoting?
Oh, absolutely!
What he's saying is that, you know, keep them playing video games, give them drugs, and then, of course, on top of that, give them the vaccines, maybe bring out some other virus from a lab.
Basically, the motto of this new world order is depopulation and so it all fits into this scheme of things.
Looking at some of the plans that they've got for 2050, I don't even know if we'll get there.
You know, especially if now we do have nuclear war.
I mean, how many of us are going to be left on Earth?
This is so serious.
No, but we have to understand, first of all, what do we know about nuclear war?
It's the product of what they let us know about nuclear war.
That's a good point.
Second, one of the main people who was in charge of this strategy of tension for nuclear use has been Harry Kissinger.
You just need to go and read his book, World Order, to understand how effective has been the strategy of tension for the use of nukes.
It was the strategy of tension for the use of nukes that gave them the possibility to keep countries like Taiwan in place when China was not a nuclear power.
It was nukes that kept the whole Cold War era going on both sides with threats that never materialized.
So, the moment in which these bombs explode, do we really know what kind of effect they will have?
Because, I mean, it's like, what kind of technology do we, you know, do we have to purify this radioactivity?
Is this technology already around?
Is there pills that we can take that basically, in the matter of hours, bring us back to the normal levels and actually You don't need to be in a nuclear bunker.
Do we really know the truth about radioactivity and its implication?
This is something that we need to be very careful in discussing because I think that we have a lot of this information that has kept the whole nuclear thing going.
Of course, but I mean, when it comes to, you know, they say, I make an example to make understand how this, you went recently, you were in Nevada recently.
Yes.
How many nuclear bombs exploded in Nevada?
I don't know.
Many.
Do you see anybody worrying?
No.
Do you see anybody?
I went through the top of Nevada with the car and I drove all the way down.
I went to parts of Nevada in which it says on the side of the roads, don't stop.
Because maybe there is, they say, some prison or something, but God knows.
Then I went to parts of Nevada where I could actually see the leftovers of the nuclear bombs detonated, those fake homes that they used to explode, those things.
And I say, how is it possible?
We can pass with the cars so close, I can see them with my naked eye.
And these nuclear bombs were detonated a few decades ago.
What you're doing is displaying thinking that is crucial in these times, Leo, and I think that's why, you know, I thoroughly enjoy talking to you.
You think outside the box and that's something I actually haven't considered, which is hilarious because just recently I even said, You know, what's the oldest hurricane that we have evidence for?
And does it predate the age of weather modification?
I ask that question because, to be honest, are hurricanes actually natural?
I mean, this is the point that I'm at where I'm asking, you know, questioning everything that I know.
And this particular story about the nukes is something that I want to look into more, definitely.
But then you have the Fermi Paradox, which was born within the context of people that were experimenting with the first nukes and suddenly they start discussing the UFO phenomenon, which is also part of this whole thing.
Because now there is a lot of talk about it.
And what is that to do with everything that is manifesting?
What is this coincidentally manifesting at the same time?
Yeah.
When in my book, Volume 9, I explained that retroengineering, and I explained that already in Volume 7, but now it was confirmed by all The events that happened with all, of course, with Grouch, David Grouch, what he said as a whistleblower, and other whistleblowers, what they said.
It's obvious that if this reverse engineering really exists, and if they really have, we are on borrowed time before the enemy closes down on us, and the cage is being closed in 2030.
That is the moment in which CyberSatan would laugh.
And it's like, idiots!
You know, that's it.
And then you are in a digital cage.
Then you will say, OK, you know, the problem is surviving all this.
So I always said to go outside of the smart cities.
There is the problem that at one point or the other, they will blow up everything so they will make only the smart cities livable.
That is very possible.
But then we will ourselves resist and maybe build ourselves some alternatives.
It's about adapting.
It's about adapting.
It's always about adapting, about transforming.
Alchemy is the science of transformation and we are, you know, we are living a transformation of our society that in the next few years is going to embrace a technology which was never before embraced.
I mean, nowadays we see fake news that can be generated by AI.
Yep, we're seeing a lot of it right now.
Yeah, you know, and already, you know, they start to say Greta Thunberg, maybe there was a video with Greta Thunberg talking about all this and they say maybe it's fake news and actually you guys are AI generated.
Is it true that it's AI generated?
Is it true that Greta Thunberg said that we have to make more eco-sustainable weapons?
I mean, it's like, it's becoming like, and these are, it's only the start.
It's only the start of this reality.
And what happens through that, Leo, is the same as always.
The weapons that the globalists created against us are then going to be used as the excuse to bring in further laws against us.
They produce the misinformation, they produce the lies, they produce the wars, and then they bring in laws to further restrict you, who's done nothing wrong.
That's the model every time.
It's very much in what, I mean, George Orwell wrote in 1984 that, you know, these never-ending wars were a requirement, you know.
It was like part of keeping the whole system alive.
And these opposing factions that we have that are starting to manifest are mainly two within the New World Order.
And they are manifesting against each other.
And we are seeing, of course, this war is simply a manifestation of a war between America, the West, and the Sino-Russian New World Order.
But on top, there is controllers who control both factions.
And those controllers, Jesuits and Sabbatean Frankists, who in, you know, I think that when you know that Klaus Schwab is the guy who has brought the nuclear weapons to Israel, then you realize the answer to your question.
You know that Klaus Schwab is the guy who made possible for Israel to have a nuclear weapon?
I didn't know Klaus Schwab was responsible for that.
Klaus Schwab's family was involved with building the turbines that could have bought the Germans to own the first nuclear war, the nuclear weapon.
It was actually thanks to the Norwegian partisans, a guy I personally met, who participated in an act of sabotage that stopped this heavy water to fall into the hands of the Nazis who would have changed the course of the war.
After the war, the same company that used also Jewish people to construct their stuff, because they were for this company of the Schwab family, a very powerful company.
Then, when Klaus Schwab, before he even built the Davos World Economic Forum in the early 60s, when he was working for his father's company, for his family company, he gave the possibility to Israel to achieve the first nuclear weapon.
Right.
And this is in Volume 7 of my Confessions, if you are interested, and I wrote about it.
And I think it's very important, because then, Klaus Schwab is the guy who, with a couple of Sabbatean Frankies, was there at Central Park, watching 9-11 unfolding, with the whole World Trade Center falling in front, that kind of thing.
It's symbolic, though, the fact that we have a guy like Klaus Schwab, Who gave the possibility to Israel, and to South Africa actually also, to have a nuclear arsenal.
It's quite symbolic of the times we are living.
I have to agree with you, Leo, and I think, you know, these are all very important considerations.
Like I said at the outset of this interview, one of the main reasons I invited you on was because people, I think, and me included, I'm guilty of it because we've got this flood of information coming in, very easy to make up your mind and change it within a few minutes.
And so I've really, what I've tried to do is take a step back and look at the bigger view of what's really going on here.
And, you know, my question at the start, my first post, why Israel and why now?
That was the question I asked.
Not, you know, is it real?
Is it not?
Who's responsible?
No, no, no, no, no.
Why did they, the ones who are in control of all the moving chess pieces, pick Israel and why now?
And if the goal, Leo, is to send the world into absolute chaos to the point where we are begging for a leader to come and bring peace, maybe that's the reason why Israel, why now.
My point is...
If we're not there yet, no problem.
But my point is, there's never no reason for what they do.
You brought up September 11.
They did that to shock the world into accepting this reality of the Muslim boogeyman's coming, so we have to be felt up by airport staff every time we go through a scanner and subject ourselves to x-rays.
You know, to save us from Muslim terrorists.
And, you know, who was the guy that apparently was captured, bin Laden, a known three-letter agency asset?
I mean, the narrative was created.
I think the problem with Islam is that because of the nature, and I'm sorry to say that, but in the nature, the corruption, That they seem to have very easy, it's very easy to corrupt these people.
I don't have a, I'm not, I'm not defending Islam here, Leo, at all.
But it seems like today It's not only Islam that is corrupted.
Everything is corrupt.
I agree.
I've seen, I saw Christian leaders attend the, the, the, the new 10 commandments for, for earth worship.
I saw Christian, Christian leaders attend that.
So it's not just Islam and it's not just Judaism.
There's, there's corruption everywhere.
Men will sell their souls, souls for a bag of silver.
Good luck to you.
You're going to burn in hell.
My point was that they used You know, this boogeyman in 9-11 that, you know, and told us that... That you're too hushed in the battle of the laws and... All these other laws.
And so what are they trying to achieve now?
If we're not here at the end and the bringing in of the One World Leader just yet, what are they trying to achieve now?
That is what I think we should be asking.
I personally think they are ready to bring the one world leader.
They have the technology and also they are also bound to the timeline of events because now that they have started the process for artificial intelligence development, knowing that in 2030 we'll reach a point of no return and of sense.
And that at that point, most of the civil servants, the lawmakers of our countries will be substituted by the AI.
Yes.
And so, that is the moment in which you don't need 500 people in a room.
You need one person.
Two is already too many.
Now, that is the concept, though, that goes back with the First Temple, because the reality would be one high priest in contact with God.
Now, if their god is the AI, Cyber-Satan, that is something that, of course, is going to go very wrong.
We have to hope that we are capable of still retaining our faith and beliefs while we are going through all this stuff.
And also, we don't fall for the propaganda, which is creating all this hate on both sides.
I mean, it's really stupid.
I mean, I find it paradox that Kanye West goes there, shows this vastic, whatever, and talks About Adolf Hitler, like, when he doesn't know that Adolf Hitler, like Rabbi Marvin Alterman said, was a product of the Sabbatean Frankists, an actual ritual product made by the Sabbatean Frankists.
Who are Satanists and who know very well how to make certain rituals.
So the moment in which, you know, that the Holocaust is a burnt offering that was made by the Sabbatean Frankists to assume power in the country of Israel, which they control, is not the good side of Judaism that controls Israel these days.
And no matter if you have Likud, no matter if you have the liberal Zionists and the progressive forces, they're all in chorus because they are, unfortunately, the product of a system which, in the end, wants to place the Antichrist in the United Nations, which itself, then, as I explain also in my latest book, is a product of the worst belief system, including Theosophy.
Which, I mean, Theosophy as an organization can be an innocent organization aimed for the search of spirituality, but then it can become something more sinister.
So, I think that everything can be turned into a very sinister reality.
That's ultimate.
But we are in front of the manifestation of the ultimate evil, because, you know, when you are trying To usher in the age of the Antichrist, I mean, you are one to usher in the ultimate evil here.
Yes.
Yes, I think, you know, Antichrist is almost too soft a word for what this age will actually look like.
We're talking about beheading Christians.
We're talking about people cheering that on.
I would not be surprised if at one point they pick up, I don't know, Obama and they send him now into the Middle East.
And if they do that, well, you hear it here first, he is the Antichrist.
Whoever... I will just add this, Leo, whoever comes... Or Prince William, or King Charles, which also have a very important responsibility in this chain of events, as I explained during the show, that is another possibility.
Whoever comes and says, I'm here to bring peace and I'm going to make a seven year peace treaty with Israel, is the candidate.
And needs to be scaled.
I don't know if it's going to be so blatant to do that in that way.
So blatant to announce it.
I agree with you.
That's another thing.
That's another thing.
Because Christians know it's coming, it will probably be done very... It will be done deceitfully in some way.
So we must be very... What I just said to my dear Jewish friend, Shimon Janowitz, in an interview was, I don't trust them in war or in peace.
And he agreed with that.
And that is the point.
We are dealing with murderous, you know, satanic scum on all sides, in all leadership.
And, you know, the sooner we face that reality, I mean, I always say, Leo, exit the United Nations, exit the WHO, exit all of these organizations.
If you want to know more about what's going to happen, You have to also have an esoteric and in-depth interpretation of the Menorah which you find outside of the Knesset in Jerusalem.
If you go and read and study that Menorah in all its details, which are small picture details, you will find everything outlined there.
If you want to know.
The past, the present, the future is outlined in front of the Knesset, which is, as you know, the ruling body that governs Israel, and it's in front of there.
And it's for everybody to see.
People don't have the eyes to see, or maybe interpret every single thing, and they say, what is this?
What is this other thing?
But go and check.
It's all written there.
Well, I think you've given everyone some homework, Leo.
I want to bring up Leo's website, leozegami.com.
You know, the last time that we had him on, he spoke about from his latest book where, you know, the offering that making the human beings eat insects was actually Actually, it's happening just yesterday.
It's happening, yeah.
I've got your website up on the screen right now, Leo, and we can see it.
The major meat producer now invests in insect proteins.
I shared that in Telegram as well.
Also, I want to bring up Leo's book, Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 9, Seven Steps to the Secret of the New World Disorder from Transhumanism and Immortality to Gnostic Jesus, UFOs and Insect Witchcraft.
Thick book, incredibly well researched.
Leo's literally like a walking encyclopedia and I always love hearing his insight.
So we're really, really grateful for your time today, Leo.
Thank you so much.
Thank you and I hope that my talk with you today can bring some peace of mind and peace for the listeners and the viewers that we have because hate is way too abundant these days and we need to maybe step back a little bit and meditate even on our own thoughts at times.
So God bless you.
I agree, and if I can just add to that, Leo, you know, I don't think that there's a death sentence staring at us right in the face.
I still believe humanity can change things.
And so that message that you just gave at the end is the way to start.
You know, they want us tearing at each other's throats.
They did this to us with anti-vaxxer, vaccine, hesitancy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like, have we learned nothing from these divide tactics?
It's ridiculous.
And so I'm grateful for you, Leo.
Thank you again for your time.
Thank you.
God bless you and speak to you soon.
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