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Oct. 25, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show

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The Real Roots of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

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	Good evening everybody, I'm Jason Linsatis, this is my show Project Newham Humanity and outside the box tonight's returning guest is Leo Zagami.
	Thanks Leo for coming on the show again.
	Hello everybody, always great to be with Jason Leozardo!
	He's Italian, I'm Greek, so we're very passionate.
	Leo, look, I just want to open up by saying this.
	content and of course since the last time we spoke you know I mean a lot of things have happened in the world oh questions for me Leo look I just want to open up by saying this I've got Leo's books downstairs I met Leo in person at his conference in London the hidden masters conference when you launched a book I'm I was just lucky to be a speaker there.
	Reverend David Parry was there.
	He's on the show tomorrow, in fact.
	So, hello David, you'll be watching this.
	So, look, Leo's books, Leo's been like a smelling salts for people for many years with your writings and your books, telling people what's going on, what's happened, what's coming.
	Prophetic, really, and it's amazing the information you've got.
	So I'll open up by saying this before we start.
	We'll talk about a few things tonight, but obviously with what's going on in the world.
	I want to tell everybody this.
	Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, African, wherever you are, I just want peace in the world, okay?
	Most people are being forced by their governments to do the dirty work and fight for their cowardly governments, OK?
	It's a terrible thing that's going on in Israel now.
	I've been called anti-Semitic by the BBC and by the Times newspaper.
	I'm not anti-Semitic.
	We need to straighten that up.
	Right, we're going to straighten that up.
	But Leo, listen, I'm going to throw a few things at you, OK?
	I want you to talk about lots of things, but there's no borders from space, people, OK?
	No borders from space.
	But, you know, what's happening?
	I just want to throw this in.
	Biden, some people are saying he was funding Hamas.
	They say the US and Israel created Hamas, right?
	They said he's funding Hamas.
	Obviously, this is boring to say this, everyone knows this, but they reckon the Israeli people allowed that to happen.
	They said it could never happen, you know?
	So they allowed it to happen to actually clear Gaza once and for all.
	Let's clear it.
	Let's let them come in and attack us.
	I want you to give me an answer on that.
	And also I want you to talk about the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third temple, whatever all that's about.
	Are they doing this to bring in that the second coming and goodness knows what else.
	And just about the significance of the prophecies and All that kind of thing.
	You know, both religions teach tolerance.
	It's a massacre what's going on there now, really.
	So I just want you to really enlighten people about what the situation is, you know, and a bit of history about how it came about, actually, how it all started.
	What is all this about, you know?
	Oh, that's not a question, it's actually, you know, a book!
	It's a book!
	Well, a lot of it's in your books, you know?
	Yes, absolutely.
	I started, as you know, touching on this topic in Volume 2 regarding the possible reconstruction of a fair temple, but also the threat that that will incur because, of course, you have the Dome of the Rock, the Al-Aqsa Mosque,
	These two things also at times are confused by people but they're two separate mosques that are on this holy sanctuary ground which is holy to all faiths, Abrahamic faiths of course, and that's why we are in this situation in the first place because what happened is that the Biden administration a few months ago started to push the possibility of a new deal
	That maybe Saudi Arabia and Israel could do together.
	What did that mean?
	Well, the deal is not really discussed anymore now, because in the light of the present events, of course, the Arab world is not rehashing this point.
	But let's say this.
	First of all, like I Pointed out also at the beginning of Volume 3 in a citation by Licia Gelli, the Knights Templars were always very clever in moving one against the other, the different factions of Islam.
	And here we have really a battle which is, as you can see, between Shia Islam and Sunni Islam.
	And Shia Islam is of course being backed by By Iran, which is the predominant country, but Iran is part of the new Sino-Russian world order, which of course ends up with BRICS.
	So, the Sunni world is mostly dominated by Turkey, but also by Saudi Arabia, even if Saudi Arabia has their own Wahhabi culture.
	The problem here is that in this new deal that was supposed to happen, for the first time the patronage will not only be of the Kingdom of Jordan, but will be extended to Morocco, will be extended to Saudi Arabia.
	It will be extended basically also to other Sunni countries, but there wasn't really any mention of any Shiite country.
	So that is already a problem, because here we have, you know, already a conflict within Islam, which is a very strong conflict and goes back to the time of the Prophet, in which, you know, then certain Muslims sided with the first Caliph, and the other ones with the cousin Ali, the cousin of the Prophet, and all that.
	This has been known for centuries as the War of the Camels.
	But the problem here is, first of all, the responsibilities.
	And I must say that there is a lot of important things that need to be outlined here.
	First of all, the right of Israel to exist.
	The right of Gaza maybe to exist, but that is also something that we need to study, understand.
	a place that since the ancient times, of course, has been very close to Egypt, has been also inhabited by people who some say were descendants of the fallen angels, so that was one of the reasons why maybe Israel didn't want to completely conquer those territories so that was one of the reasons why maybe Israel didn't want to completely conquer
	Now, the right of existence of Israel is, of course, built on a biblical belief, which is referred to in over 30 passages of the Old Testament.
	Now, we have plenty also of archaeological discoveries to prove that point, and And that is a big problem here because, first of all, the Palestinians have this way of saying that even And what is basically what used to be the second temple, the ruins of the second temple, they dismissed that.
	They dismissed completely the relevance.
	And that is already something that is wrong.
	But also we have to understand a lot of people side automatically with one side or the other.
	And it's completely wrong to side with one side or the other in The End Times because it's completely ridiculous.
	It's like This is not a stadium.
	This is not a football match.
	This is not soccer.
	This is not something you can go out of the stadium and then beat yourselves up in a pub.
	This is not the case.
	And that is unfortunate because people are treating it in that way and without really realizing the problems.
	Now, this is a very contested land.
	But whose responsibility is it?
	First of all, The Ottoman Empire for 500 years almost hold the control over this land.
	They came after there was something else before that.
	And then there was something else before that.
	So we need to go back in time to really reconstruct all the pieces that created this mess.
	Because, sorry to jump in Leo, but consequences, feedback loops and, you know, that are created in the now, you know, yeah, always.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	The claim that the Muslims have for the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock.
	When we go and study them, they're inconsistent historically because, I'm sorry to say, and of course Muslims will be able to go and check and verify themselves what I'm stating here, but if Muhammad died in 1632 and the Muslims arrived in Jerusalem in 1637, Was Muhammad flying abducted from the dome of the rock in the sky when there was no dome, no rock, no lakhsamos, no nothing?
	These are very holy places for Islam but they are based on the presumption that was built by very clever Islamic scholars That said, basically, that Mohammed was connected to this place, and so they had to build then the Alaska Mosque, the Dome of the Rock, and then around this mosque they also created, of course, a story.
	Now this story is that, you know, Muhammad arrives and meets with Moses, meets with Jesus, meets with all the rabbis.
	Everybody greets him.
	And at one point, you know, because he's too good for this world, he ascends and goes to heaven.
	Go on.
	Great.
	Some people say, oh this guy is a Zionist!
	No, first of all, you people in England who are fixated with all this Zionist and all this stuff, you are responsible for it because the United Kingdom gave the Balfour Declaration to Rothschild.
	Right.
	So shut up, stop marching like idiots and bow down to the truth.
	And the truth is that you fucked this up yourself.
	The Kingdom of Great Britain, the Kingdom, the United Kingdom is basically the main responsible for all this mess.
	It's nothing to do with the Bush, Biden, America.
	America didn't even exist when the mess started.
	Politically speaking, a hundred years ago, America, when basically there was the Sykes-Picot agreement in 1916, France, England met together to divide the spheres of influence of what was falling apart, which was the Ottoman Empire.
	Syria didn't exist.
	Jordan didn't exist.
	These countries didn't exist.
	Egypt didn't exist.
	They were all part of the Ottoman Empire.
	So, first of all, come on down with this bullshit.
	Palestine.
	Palestine existed.
	Palestine didn't exist.
	The only time it existed was on paper.
	In 1947, the UN built this ideal separation of two states, and they constructed the possibility of a Palestinian state that, in theory, never became practice.
	Now, who were the ones in charge there at that time?
	The British?
	No, no, no, we need to be very careful because, you know, it's very easy to go and say, no, no, this is about colonialism and it's about the responsibility that goes right back to the British crown and the French, eventually, for the part that is Lebanon and all that.
	Yeah, but what I want to ask you, sorry, one thing, sorry, please hold that thought, I don't want to interrupt you, right, but what I want people to understand is, people will be, I can almost hear them shouting, ask him, well, when they made that Balfour Treaty and they knew what they were doing, what was their end goal?
	Was it?
	Or was it a random bullshit thing?
	Or did they think, well, there's always an end goal with these people, isn't there?
	Go on, but please come back to what you're saying, don't forget that, but I just wanted to chuck that.
	No, I mean, it's important.
	The Balfour Treaty is basically Balfour, who used to be Prime Minister, who then was Foreign Minister, who basically writes this letter to Lord Rothschild, and by the way,
	The British side of the Rothschild family finally kind of married into the Zionist cause because, first of all, you have to understand, behind Theodor Herzl, who was the founder of the World Zionist Foundation, which basically, the very ground basis for, the ground zero for the creation of the State of Israel, was, first of all, this man called Theodor Herzl.
	And Theodor Herzl was a journalist, was a Jewish-Hungarian journalist who had, during his youth, gone to work for, I think, an Austrian, maybe, I'm sorry if I get it wrong, but he was a journalist, he was a correspondent, who found himself in the middle of a very sad situation, the Dreyfus affair.
	Now it's very important to make people understand the level of persecution that the Jews were subject to in every single country they were, including England.
	Because otherwise people would be like, if you kick them out of here, you kick them out of there, you kick them out of here, and then finally you give them a land But there is a story behind also that declaration, and there's also a story behind the gradual colonization made by the Israelis, because the ones who really inspired this were not the people you might think, ah, no, this side, no, no.
	There was an Anglican priest who was inspiring Theodor Herzl.
	He's actually in the encyclopedia.
	I mean, I'm sorry, but...
	I can't show your viewers the level of preparation.
	Just while Leo is looking at that, I just want to say how fascinating this is because you see, Leo, most people don't understand and I'm sorry I jumped in then and said, well what about the Balfour?
	What happened?
	Yeah, there we go.
	This is an encyclopedia and it's actually an encyclopedia that not many people have.
	I was very lucky, God put it my way, and I'm really incredibly lucky to have two volumes This and this.
	And you can see that the first guy who opens the two volumes is Theodore Elset, this guy.
	So, and when you actually go and see the foundation of Israel, the declaration of the birth of Israel in 1948, you will see that behind there was actually the image of Theodor Helser.
	So, he is definitely a very important figure.
	So, let's go back to him to understand what pushed these people to make certain decisions, because otherwise it would be A little bit, I would say, difficult for people to realize the whole chrono story, no?
	So, the first person who really invited the tribes of Israel to gather back and go back to Israel was actually a Jewish heretic.
	And that was Sabbatai Zevi and his prophet, Nathan of Gaza.
	Okay, so.
	For those who don't know the history, of course, of the Sabadian Frankists, I will say that maybe they can go and read Volume 4 of My Confessions.
	They can also check out Volume 7, which I also discussed this subject extensively, and I touch again on it also in Volume 9, because it's such an important and relevant subject that people tend to mix up Zionism, also Like, Zionism is one thing, you know?
	Zionism is political Zionism, religious Zionism.
	There is a band, Labour Zionism, which is the worst faction, which is unfortunately the faction that took over the show.
	Because when you have Theodor Herzl, you have a guy who was basically, I personally think, very genuine about the foundation of Israel.
	Theodor Herzl was, like I said, an Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist, political activist.
	Consider the father of modern political Zionism, who saw the persecution of this officer called Dreyfus in France, who basically was accused of espionage simply because he was Jewish, and he went into the defense.
	You know, he was writing as a journalist.
	He said, this is unjust.
	But then he thought, this is not enough.
	I need to do something more for my people.
	And at that point, that's where he started to promote the idea of a Jewish state.
	Having said that, initially, it wasn't even, you know, it wasn't even Palestine, the chosen place.
	There was various, there was proposed even the Sinai Peninsula, there was various proposals that were made his way.
	But what was so important about Theodor Herzl is that he brought The Jews who had, like I said, the first one who incentivated people to go back to Israel was actually an heretic.
	Somebody who the Jews disliked.
	Somebody who in 1666 ended up selling out to the Ottoman Empire, declaring himself Muslim, and gave birth to what is known as the Dome, still in existence to this day in Turkey, which is Crypto-Judaism.
	Externally, you declare yourself Muslim or Catholic, and then you continue to practice this very deviant version of Judaism that includes sexual magic, deviant practices, perverse practices, that were all inspirational to people later on, like Alistair Crowley, Madame Blavatsky, and so on.
	Madame Blavatsky's mentor was a guy called Max Theon, who was a Polish Sabbatean, Frankist, Sabbatai Zevi died, but a hundred years later, somebody who proclaimed to be his reincarnation, Jacob Frank, who was born in Ukraine, in modern Ukraine, because it all goes back between Ukraine and Israel, because the first settlers of the first Halia were Ukrainians.
	There was, from the 1880s, a new trend of people who were going back.
	Because when Sabbatai Zevi and Nathan of Gaza invited the people to go to Israel, everything worked out initially.
	But then this happened, of course, a long time before the State of Israel was ever born.
	There was, of course, from Five centuries ago, a predominant Arab world who had taken over those areas.
	But there was still a Jewish presence because of the tolerance of the Ottoman Empire.
	The Ottoman Empire tolerated, but not only tolerated, they gave also the possibility to Jews to open the first, to reopen the Jerusalem Rabbinic Council.
	That initially saw Sabbatai Zevis as a possible messiah, because this guy was declaring... but then when they realized this guy wasn't the messiah, he was actually somebody completely negative, then at that point they fought him, and then Nathan of Gaza You know, initially he said Jerusalem is the holy city for us, so then he said Gaza is the holy city.
	So suddenly Gaza becomes the holy city of the Sabbateans.
	That's already something that... Because Gaza has a history.
	Gaza is the place where the Knights Templars had their headquarters.
	They had a headquarters on the Temple Mount and the other headquarters was in a castle in Gaza.
	On these two locations they controlled the Holy Land.
	So, it's very strategic.
	Of course.
	But also, it's to understand why the Knights Templars immediately went and took over the Holy Mount.
	Because it's from the Holy Mount, even if it's distant from Gaza, that all these problems start.
	Because, first of all, like I said, the Arabs have built, carefully, artificially, claims which are fictitious.
	Muhammad was never ascended to heaven because he was already dead.
	You can play around a little bit with words and things and find maybe they had it, that they said was the moment in which he was traveling on a winged creature all the way to Jerusalem from wherever he was.
	But this is fiction, it's not reality.
	The reality is there was a first temple there, that Solomon, of course, built is Solomon's Temple between the 10th to the 6th century.
	Then there was, of course, a persecution.
	There was the Babylonian captivity.
	And at that point, the Jews lost the first temple that was destroyed.
	And and that is, let's say, the temple which is referred on the Bible.
	More, you know, the Old Testament.
	Then you have the second temple.
	Second Temple becomes a protagonist, of course, also of Jesus' life.
	It's the moment, and it was reconstructed between 516 to 70, from 500 years before Christ, let's say, till 70 after Christ, you had the second temple.
	And the second temple wasn't maybe as built, as rich as the first temple, but it was still a very holy place.
	So the concept around this temple, so that people understand,
	is that a holy priesthood, which is called Coen, and in fact the Illuminati after imitated that, creating the Coen Brotherhood with the Martin de Pasqually within Freemasonry, because Freemasonry tends to then imitate and also uses the Solomon Temple as a main allegory, so it's very important there.
	But this temple was eventually destroyed by the Romans.
	It was destroyed by the Romans.
	It was destroyed by the Romans partially and then completely eradicated together with the Jewish presence.
	In 170 of the Common Era, you have the destruction of the Temple.
	But then later on, 60 years later, the Jews started to revolt again against the Romans.
	At that point, the Romans said, OK, we're going to change the name of the city.
	The city is no longer Jewish.
	You are kicked out of the city.
	That's it.
	We had enough with you.
	And it was the Romans' fault to do that.
	But in the meantime, the spiritual side of Judaism has always understood, from that moment onwards, that things were different, that they shouldn't rely on material things like the temple, to continue their faith and to rebuild it, because there was two attempts to rebuild the temple.
	One by the Emperor Adrian, which could have worked out, but then didn't.
	And then there was another emperor called Julian, who tried to build the temple with his own money, because he wanted to use it for propaganda reasons, but suddenly Balls of fire happened to appear from the ground and he actually had to stop.
	Now there is two interpretations of it.
	Either it was a sabotage by the Jews or either, and this is the Christian interpretation, it was a divine punishment because nobody could touch that temple.
	He simply wanted to build a temple without following the directions of the Jews and that will have been the Jews.
	The rabbis said basically, we can't let the Romans pay for our temple.
	It will not be spiritually correct, okay?
	So, the temple wasn't rebuilt.
	And by the time, around in the 7th century, 6th century after Christ, then you have, of course, the moment in which you have the Arab invasion of Jerusalem, and then
	They built what they built, but they built what they built simply because there was also a persecution already on the Jews, even back then, by the Byzantine Empire.
	Now, yeah, just it's complex, I know.
	It's beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	I got to tell you, I'm really enjoying this.
	You know, it's a great it's a great history lesson.
	Thanks, Leo.
	He said that after the fall of the Roman Empire, nobody rebuilt the temple.
	But the Roman Empire was at point, even Julian, this guy who tried to rebuild it, he was very tolerant of the Jews.
	He actually wanted, they call him Julian the Apostate, because he wanted to go back and repriest in the original faiths that were practiced where Christianity had taken over maybe in an abrupt way and forced the local population to agree, which is something not very Christian.
	So he understood that that was maybe the best thing to do.
	But it didn't work out, like I said.
	However, after the fall of the Roman Empire, with Rome as the capital of the empire, the next capital that the end of the Roman Empire had was Constantinople, modern-day Baghdad.
	And that became the capital in turn, later on, of the Byzantine Empire.
	Now, the Byzantine Empire was particularly against the Jews in the way they were working things out.
	And paradoxically, when the Arabs arrived initially, the Jews thought they could give them, you know, it could actually be a good thing.
	And later on, like I said, with the Ottoman Empire that was much more flexible, much more civilized than a bunch of Bedouins, it worked out.
	Okay, but in the period of the first invasion and capture of Jerusalem, because then the Byzantines reclaimed ground, and what they did when they reclaimed ground, they immediately punished the Jews that had collaborated with the Arabs.
	Like I said, paradoxically, that place where they built the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa was basically a place in which, already back then, there should have been also a synagogue.
	Because if the Arabs maintained their promises, then they should have built a synagogue there.
	because that's what they promised to the Jews in exchange of their support against the Byzantine.
	So the moment in which you have the arrival of the Muslim culture within the
	old city of Jerusalem, they of course put this very important location And this initial construction was undertaken by the Umayyad Caliphate.
	Now, this caliphate in particular was trying to conquest all the various areas and of course they They were an hereditary caliphate, just as it happened before in the Muslims' kingdoms.
	We have today, for example, the Ashmite Kingdom of Jordan, which is in charge of the whole holy area there.
	Even after Israel conquered those areas, because at one point there was the Six Days War, and they conquered a lot of land, that they gave up partially after the Oslo Accords.
	But going back into the historical part of all this, because people say, ah, the Jews just arrived, invaded.
	First of all, it was the Balfour Declaration came by because the Zionist movement became very influential, and in exchange for the Balfour Declaration, They gave their support to the Brits instead than the Germans in the Second World War, and that meant a lot.
	Here we're talking about the Rothschilds, the money that flows for the wars.
	As you know, we go back to the Napoleonic Wars, they were supporting both sides.
	But at one point, when it came down to the First World War, there was a lot of talk in England
	And because there was also an interest from the Evangelicals to bring back the people of Israel into the Holy Land to accomplish also the prophetic value of bringing them back to the Holy Land, there was a push also by the Evangelical movement in chorus, of course, with Freemasonry.
	So we have the pieces of the Temple of Solomon which have been stolen and used for the mosaic which is in Great Queen Street in London, England.
	Not in Gaza, not in Baghdad, not in modern-day Istanbul.
	It's in England, and it's a Masonic mosaic, the biggest mosaic in England.
	It's in the main temple, the Grand Temple of Great Queen Street, and it's stuff that is stolen from the Temple of Solomon.
	Do we need to add anything here?
	Because, I mean, I start to get a little bit angry when I see all these channels for things against Israel or against this.
	We side with what?
	You are responsible for this mess!
	So you should just shut up!
	The English people, instead of marching in millions around London and then falling into the trap, because then, you know, they started with this jihad, jihad here, jihad there, and then the police said we have different interpretation of jihad.
	Listen, there is no different interpretation for those morons who go on the streets with hate.
	There is maybe an interpretation if you talk with a scholarly Islamic guy who knows that the jihad is an internal process that you need to fight within yourself.
	But if you're talking with a bunch of morons who say, ah, free Palestine in the underground in London, well, that's not the case.
	So, first of all, I was outraged when in 1998, I remember, I was in London, living in London, as you know, and my former girlfriend back then, who was a barrister, was Jewish, brought me to the home of a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization of Arafat.
	Because they were both doing a course, Italian course kind of thing.
	So this guy invited us to the home.
	And you know, I go to this home thinking, okay, this guy, you know, I didn't have any presumption.
	I didn't, you know, I maybe was, and I suddenly, it was in, It was a very nice area in Chelsea, first of all, which already, I said, is this guy rich?
	I opened the door and suddenly the opulence of this guy, financed by the English intelligence, who obviously is doing the work for these poor people who still are struggling and who don't have any food, but he's living in opulence.
	This is the mentality of the Arabs.
	Don't get me wrong, I'm not being racist here.
	I'm simply stating a fact, evidence, which I saw with my own eyes.
	Okay?
	Because if we go back to Zagami, Zagami comes from Zaham.
	We are ourselves Shia Islam from a thousand years ago in Sicily, when Sicily was Fatimid.
	So, you know, we're not talking about being racist because I would be racist against myself here, you know.
	As well as having Jewish blood, Ashkenazi blood, I also have that kind of mix, so I can understand and bring a variety of cultures together.
	But the way that the secret service in English intelligence has fomented, together with Freemasonry, the births of the Brotherhood, the Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt, that then gave birth to Hamas, well, who is responsible then for this mess?
	It's always going back to the British crown, every single time.
	And so if you are responsible, well, you should start thinking about how to sort your karma out before you can open your mouth even, because the karmic You know, if we go back to the concept of morphic resonance or thought form, you are generating hate, but your hate is generated for a just cause?
	Is it generated or we are simply playing in some kind of game that is being played here and it's obvious that we are in front of a big game because in the end we said from the beginning from 2020 and I had of course talked about that also in volume 2 in fact if you go in volume 2 you will find
	Me denouncing that the problem will emanate from Israel, of course, and what is happening at the Temple Mount, but I also denounce the fact that in 2020 you will all be locked up for a pandemic.
	And that was the start for then moving on for what is manifesting now, which is a series of never-ending wars, which will make Orwell very happy in his 1984 concept, you know.
	And so Here we are with me publishing this book, Volume 9, this year, as you know, but also another book which I published in early 2022, which I denounced the Sino-Russian war, but in this book, particularly, I also denounced the mountain of lies that is built around already the war in Ukraine.
	And then it's leading us more and more into the abyss that will, of course, bring everybody to bankruptcy.
	Because the modern folk is not Rothschild.
	It's not Lord Rothschild who, you know, goes around this mansion, you know, in a golden whatever.
	The normal folk will lose everything that he has in the bank.
	What you need to understand, if you are watching me now, get gold, get gold, get gold.
	That's it.
	Then there is no other thing.
	Then the rest is get weapons, get weapons, get weapons.
	But because, unfortunately in England, the system knows very well how to control you, they don't allow you to have weapons, because the weapons are only for the mafiosi, the crooks, the terrorists, and of course His Majesty now, I was saying Her Majesty, but His Majesty's government and his mercenaries.
	So, if we need to explain this whole problem, that I used to be a used car salesman.
	person who is watching us, I would say that this book at least gives you seven steps in which you can understand what they want from us and what should we do to counteract.
	Okay, and I'm not being a used car salesman because this book is essential.
	If you read it, I actually promote it as a book that can be read on its own without reading all the others.
	Hey, I used to be a used car salesman.
	You be careful now.
	I did, in Cape Town, yeah.
	I really did.
	So, you know, when you read, for example, Volume 7, you suddenly discover that the guy who managed to give the nuclear, you know, who gave the nuclear, the possibility for Israel to build a nuclear bomb?
	It's written here.
	Who is it?
	Question.
	Let's see if somebody answers.
	I don't know.
	I should know because I've read most of your books.
	I can't remember.
	Klaus Schwab in the 60s.
	Klaus Schwab and his family were in charge of building these turbines that worked out with the heavy water from Norway and he was capable of bringing this whole thing into Israel.
	Now, and not only Israel, also I think even South Africa.
	Klaus Schwab is in such good, let's say, in such a good position in the world because he has given Israel, now but Israel He said, but you talk bad about the Palestinians, not talking bad about Israel.
	No, the thing is that they're all manipulated.
	Israel itself, Theodor Herzl, we go back to that first Congress, which we mentioned earlier.
	The first Congress was great.
	It was basically a group of Israeli nationalists, I mean, of future Israeli nationalists, who wanted the nation of Israel that didn't exist yet.
	And at that point, Okay, fine.
	But the problem was that immediately after, and this happened in Basel in Switzerland, there were other congresses, and in the other congresses that followed, immediately the Sabbatean-Francoist element came in.
	And they brought Labour Zionism, Socialism, all the keyboots, and why did they marry into that concept?
	The colonization of the Jews happened in five Haliya.
	Haliya is basically this migration, which means climbing, because migrating is not an easy thing.
	I myself, as you know, I had to migrate forcefully from Italy to avoid being arrested in 2019.
	And it is a process of climbing, no?
	So the Aliyah, the first Aliyah, the second Aliyah, were so bad for the Jews who actually in the 1880s and then later on went on to twist it because they came from the poverty in Europe thinking they will find a promised land and suddenly they are there in the middle of a desert where it's not easy if you don't work really, really, really hard to establish something.
	Watch the rest of the Arab land.
	A mess.
	Nobody has established anything.
	And they say, oh, but you have it against... No, I have it against the corruption that is endemic in the Arab culture.
	And I'm saying that from a guy who has Persian blood, maybe even Arab blood, but it is endemic so much that they made the South of Italy just as bad as the Middle East.
	If we have the Mafia in Sicily, it's because of the Islamic culture that colonized it for three centuries.
	This has to be very clear from somebody who is from there, who knows the history.
	To say, ah, I go to Sicily, which is my, I'm half Sicilian, as you know.
	I can't stand it.
	You know, if I go there on holiday, it's okay, but I have to have a lot of patience because the train, when is the train arriving?
	I don't know.
	Haven't asked him.
	Sounds like Greece.
	Maybe.
	Maybe it's going to arrive.
	Maybe not.
	Maybe tomorrow.
	I think maybe the ship will pass tomorrow.
	Okay.
	And you think that that is the kind of... So if the Israelis have worked their butt off, To create modern Israel, which is not a shadow like most of the countries surrounding it.
	I'm sorry, but they deserve at least a little bit of respect.
	Now, I understand that, of course, the two-state solution should have been there from the start.
	The problem was that the English, the British government, wasn't capable from the 1930s to start, you know, when there was all the attacks from the first attacks from the Arabs.
	The first, let's say, terrorist attacks started in the 1930s.
	Okay, there was no Israel State.
	There was still the Palestinian Protectorate of, under the Her Majesty the Queen.
	So, we are in front of a state that didn't exist yet, but already the attacks on the Israel population started to surface at the end of the 1930s.
	And then there was the war.
	And the best friend of Adolf Hitler was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who said, well, Maybe you should send all these people to a nice gas chamber.
	Now, people say, but was Iter Jewish?
	Yes, Iter was a Sabbatean Frankist.
	Rabbi Marvin Antelman stated that, and stated that basically it was the product of a ritual that was made.
	They make this ritual every year, the Sabbatean Frankist, which is completely disrespectful of all the tenets of their Jewish religion.
	And they, of course, impregnate also women who are not their wives and stuff, whatever.
	So, not only from his great-grandparents' side there was Jewish blood, but apparently, from what Rabbi Amtelman said, and he was a Zionist, He said basically that Adolf Hitler was himself a product of the Sabbatean Frankish heresy.
	So, people need to understand that Zionism would probably not have existed in the way without the Sabbatean Frankish heresy, because also the Chassidism, the Orthodox Jewish, was a reaction to that heresy.
	When you start, you know, disrespecting... I mean, Sabbatean Frankies was about disrespecting all the tenets of the religion deliberately.
	Let's eat pork!
	Let's have a great orgy!
	Let's have the... all things that were deliberately... Why the Sikh philosophy?
	Because if you go and study the Sikh philosophy of the Sabbatean Frankies, you realize that basically they want to sin so they can bring closer the messianic era.
	They want to sin so God gets so angry that he sends back his messiah, his son or whatever.
	The Jews, of course, have never accepted Jesus, but they will accept the messiah.
	And so they figured out that in their twisted Lurianic Kabbalistic concept, which is not prevalent in Lurianic Kabbalah, I must say that, and I want to, but Sabatian Frank is And plus the Sabbatean Frankists were the ones who then connected with the Rothschild family.
	The Rothschild family, as you can see, they didn't care about keeping even their own name.
	They didn't care about Judaism when they became peers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and then Queen Victoria made them peers, I think, of the English Empire.
	They didn't care.
	We were going to give you a knighthood with a nice cross.
	Great!
	If it was a traditional Jewish person, he would say no.
	So, here we have the Rothschild family, who at one point was even divided in supporting or not Zionism.
	The moment they started to support Zionism, They actually invested money because those settlers that arrived with the first settlement,
	They actually got help from the Rothschilds because they read that there was malaria, there was this, there was that, so they gave them money to purify the whole area, to grow plants where there was only the desert, build very complex irrigation systems and help also the development of the kibbutz.
	However, having said that, When Israel eventually will manifest as a state in 1948, by that point the original, let's say, Jewish prerogatives were abandoned in favor of a much more socialistic view.
	Ben-Gurion was the first Prime Minister, the guy was a socialist, he was a progressive guy.
	And then there was people within the English nobility that were also very much responsible, like Montefiore, another important figure within the British Empire, you know?
	And he, this, in England, the Sabbatean Franks started to create, reform Judaism.
	The same Judaism that today permits a man and a man to marry together and all that woke business too.
	That is reform liberalism.
	It's a form of Judaism that is not orthodox, of course, but it was possible because of people like Montefiore.
	So I'm trying to explain to you that, of course, when it comes to the 7th of October and what has happened on the 7th of October, Those people who are there, who have been attacked, it's very unjust what has happened because already the Jewish settlers were pushed out of Gaza territories after the Oslo Accords, forcefully.
	There were people who had built their home there, Jewish people, within Gaza.
	Instead of integrating that, helping the integration of the Palestinians.
	They simply created this prison, this ghetto, and the problem there was, of course, the Oslo Accords: Isaac Rabin, Bill Clinton, and one big criminal crook called Yasser Arafat.
	That guy was simply like the guy I told you before, which I viewed in Chelsea back in the 1990s, when I entered the home and suddenly I found myself in a palace, in the middle of Kensington.
	I I was like, what is this?
	So, you know, gold here thing.
	And I said, wow, is this guy Palestinian?
	Are they not supposed to be suffering?
	Yeah, sure.
	Suffering with the money of Her Majesty at that point.
	The other Arab countries, they're all a bunch of hypocrites.
	Nobody wants to take them in.
	Nobody.
	They always have kept the Palestinian cause alive.
	They are the ones who send in the stuff from Rafa.
	Simply because by having that Palestinian cause, having those people who unfortunately are suffering for decades, both in Gaza but also in the West Bank, they can keep the hate alive against Jews.
	This is the whole thing.
	Nobody really wants peace.
	And so, you see, no matter, okay, today I explained to you how the whole thing of the Al-Aqsa or the Dome of the Rock is built on false prerogatives.
	But let's say that we respect even that, okay?
	The creation, unfortunately, of this whole inter... between different countries.
	It was in a way not accepted even by Jordan.
	The kingdom of Jordan is very ambiguous because in reality, the kingdom of Jordan should have been Palestine.
	The name for the kingdom of Jordan should have been Palestine from the very start.
	Remember that here you have a bunch of Freemasons sitting down on a table with the square and compass dividing on a map.
	This is yours.
	This is yours.
	This we're going to call Syria.
	This we're going to call Jordan.
	This we're going to call Lebanon.
	This we're going to call this.
	So, of course, today those countries Detached from colonialism, even if still involved to some extent like Great Britain or France, like to play the civilized ones.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	So problematic.
	These poor Palestinians.
	Yes, the Israelis.
	Maybe we can go and talk, we can go and do a conference, a peace conference here and there, but they don't come up with anything.
	It's all BS.
	It's obvious.
	So in the end, what is their mission?
	Because this is the very first question you told me.
	I guess that in your question we haven't answered anything.
	In other words, what's the big thing?
	Why are all the countries, it seems to me like Israel is running Washington, why are they all absolutely behind Israel?
	Whatever they did.
	Yeah, no.
	First of all, it's not Israel running Washington, it would be incorrect.
	Because it's the Sabbatean Frankists that, together with the Jesuits, are running Washington.
	It's a very different thing.
	Right, right, right.
	Yeah.
	My friend, Ben, you know, I had a very good friend.
	I would like, actually, to... Beric, you ever heard of Beric Amish?
	No, no, no.
	Beric Amish was a real truth seeker.
	I would like to take his book, show you.
	And just while Leo's gone, it's so complicated, because you see the Jewish people with the black hats, shouting against Zionism.
	Shabti... all right, let me just write his name down, Leo.
	Shabti... I've heard of him, yeah.
	Shabti Berikamish.
	Berikamish actually was a guy who was living in Israel.
	He fought in the early 80s, the war with Lebanon.
	Let's remember also what happened with Lebanon.
	At one point, you know, the Palestinians were parked by Arafat in Jordan.
	There was a clash with Jordan because at one point these idiots, with Arafat being such a communist, were becoming a threat to the Kingdom of Jordan.
	Jordan is a kingdom.
	They said, these are communists.
	Send them somewhere else.
	So they send them to Lebanon.
	Guys, it took four years to the date, four or five years to the date, and they transformed what used to be called the Switzerland of the Middle East in a shithole that still is a shithole to this day.
	And that is the Palestinians of Arafat.
	Only for that, I hate them.
	You ruined a beautiful place.
	That was completely balanced between Christians, Jews, Muslims.
	There was a very good balance.
	You see the images of early 70s?
	Wow.
	Yachts.
	Nice.
	People dressed up European style.
	All good, all great.
	You send in these Palestinians from their whatever camps they were into the country, because they didn't want to send them anywhere else, so they send them there, and they transform the country into a shithole.
	And now you have Yitzholah throwing missiles.
	So the whole thing here is very complex, because first of all, nobody wants to take their own responsibility.
	Most of all, because everybody wants things to go this way.
	Because on top of it all, if we really go back, there is the belief that if you create this big conflict, in the end, the Messiah will be forced to reveal himself.
	But the problem is, once he reveals himself, then it's a kingdom.
	And then at that point, you're all under God, and you will have to bow down to him and not, no, no, no, bow down and bow down and bow down.
	Because that's not any more dealing with man, it's dealing with God.
	That's why the Third Temple concept.
	First of all, the Third Temple concept is only for Jewish right-wing extremists.
	Who have the idea, like the Temple Mount Institute and other organizations that were kind of started to gather, you know, support from the 1980s and also financing from the state, they believe that the moment in which They destroy those mosques, they rebuild a fair temple, they can finally have that connection with God.
	You think they are going to destroy those mosques properly earlier?
	But the problem here is... no, because... problem here.
	First of all, let's go back to when the actual Arabs invaded and built those mosques.
	There was a deal initially with the Jews to build a synagogue in that place.
	That deal wasn't respected.
	So we go back to the problem, and it's not Israeli responsibility here.
	We are talking about something that happened almost 1400 years ago.
	The responsibility was of the Arabs.
	If the Caliphate back then was a little bit more longimirant and said, okay, We have the Dome of the Rock, we have the Alaska, we have the space there, big space to build also a synagogue.
	We make everybody happy and that's it.
	Finish.
	You want a church?
	We build a church too.
	Fine.
	Everybody happy.
	The problem though now is that nobody trusts each other.
	The actual deal that was supposed to make Saudi Arabia the patronage of the two mosques and the holy ground there,
	didn't happen because Jordan will lose the exclusivity over this patronage and in a way they will also lose their own power within their own country because the Kingdom of Jordan is so new that it needs that patronage to legitimize itself in front of their own people, okay?
	So, nowadays we have the other day in In Egypt, you had Jordan, you had Italy, France, all these countries that come together and discuss things.
	Oh, yes, we need to help this and all kinds of rhetoric, a lot of rhetoric.
	Now, the thing is this, if you go in a country and you kill children, you chop off the heads of women and men, and you do it in a way like a must, those people have no more the right to exist within a civilized world.
	And I think that that is No?
	Just a quick thing though, because I've been looking at quite a few things about that, and they're saying that that didn't happen.
	A lot of people are saying that didn't happen.
	It was a setup, you know?
	Okay.
	Which it could easily be.
	It could easily be.
	Okay.
	Let's talk.
	Okay.
	First of all, I... Because people would have said, ask him that!
	Sure, sure, sure.
	I worked with Israeli intelligence people.
	I know Israeli people.
	I know Jewish people around the world, and so I know exactly if things are true or not true, or if they are pushed.
	One thing I can say, they let it happen.
	That is true, but the fact that... Why?
	Why did they let it happen, ultimately?
	Because... Okay.
	To get what?
	Okay, what happened was, let's start from Isaac Rabin, because otherwise you will not understand Netanyahu.
	And also, I've got to chuck this in before you say that.
	I've got to chuck this in before you say that, because then a lot of people will be saying to me, hey, Jason, they did that, okay, they chopped kids' heads off, but they're making a prison break.
	They've been in the prison, the concentration camp, for so many years.
	You know, Jesus Christ, they've got to get out somehow, and all that kind of thing, but they let it happen.
	So, go on, what was the ultimate goal from letting it happen earlier?
	Go on.
	Very Ganish!
	He lived in Israel and wrote this book and I'm going to quote him because he died in 2016 but he was actually there and he understood things, okay?
	He understood things.
	He understood the alliance that the Sabbateans, Frankists have with the Jesuits.
	He understood a lot of things.
	He understood the evil of labor Zionists.
	So I will just cite one thing.
	While you're looking for that, I've got to say to people, so you see this is why I'm asking these questions, because clearly I've got no idea about the history like Leo has, you know.
	I just see this and I say, oh look at that, they did because of that, they should have done that because of that, look at that.
	So it's a very complex issue, it's horrible.
	Very complex, you need years to study this issue and of course you have people who might have knowledge of these things but they don't want to talk about them because it's against their own interest.
	So we have to go, you know, Isaac Rabin, he was killed and he was killed by a right-wing fanatic but there is a reason why he was killed and there is a lot of things that people don't know.
	So here it says The message, and I'm quoting him, the message is that early Labour Zionists were monsters.
	Labour Zionism is a monstrosity because Labour Zionists infiltrated Zionism that wanted to be a religious thing, that maybe would have been even tolerant of other religions in a different way.
	When it becomes a political thing, And you start pushing in Israel all those values which we hate, I hate, woke values, socialist values, leftist values.
	That happened also because in the Aliyah, in the various Migrations that followed.
	There was also the migration of all those people that were kicked asses in 1905 in the first Russian revolution before the second Russian revolution.
	Those people were the future Soviet Union.
	Those people were Jewish people who unfortunately participated in one way or another to the establishment of the Soviet Union that later on will actually put them once, you know, they help the establishment and then after they end up in Not in concentration camps, but in what the Soviet Union used to call them gulags of some kind.
	In any case, he says, the message is that the early labor Zionists were monsters and their descendants, the Oslo peacemakers, are no less monstrous.
	According to Rabbi Antelman, Zionism began as an honest national liberation movement that was too quickly infiltrated and corrupted by the secret followers of the false messiah Shabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank.
	Because at one point, when they started to push this idea of Israel, of going back to Israel, a lot of Jewish people around the world said, we don't need to go back.
	We have Israel in our hearts.
	We have the Temple in our hearts.
	We don't need to re-establish the Temple.
	We don't need to re-establish Israel.
	We are people that are all over the world, that connect And of course, this is not what they have promoted.
	At one point, when the Second World War started, and the Jews were persecuted and wanted, because then the paradox started to happen.
	Great Britain stopped the Jews from going to Israel.
	You know that part of the history?
	You know that part of the history, because that's an important part of the history.
	I was on mute.
	Just remind us, Neil.
	So, at one point, during the Second World War, the Jews were being persecuted.
	The ideal solution, of course, everybody was going towards Israel, you know, as a place where they could not be persecuted, okay?
	But at that point, seeing the situation, and because they were kind of losing control of the area and they didn't really have any more interest in pushing Zionists, the Brits said, stop!
	At that point, the Israelis were forced in bringing illegal people into Israel and that became the base for the future Israel army, the Haganah, which then fought against the Arabs.
	So, not only the Jewish people were sent to the concentration camps, at one point they found themselves not even able to go to Israel when they were pushing them to it.
	Because at one point, in the early part of the 30s, they were pushing them to go to Israel.
	And why they were pushing them?
	I will explain from the citation of this gentleman.
	He said, anyone who looks at events from that starting point realizes that, and that's of course we're talking about the Oslo The early 90s, he's talking from the Oslo Peace Agreement view of it.
	Anyone who looks at events from that starting point realizes that had there never existed Labour Zionism, there would not have been an Holocaust.
	Because one of the most eminent representatives, I remember, I have it here written of the of the Jewish people at that time, said for the first time the word Holocaust in 1936.
	And he said it in a very particular way, so I would like to see if I can find it here.
	And in the meantime, I will continue saying, reading, quoting from this one.
	Now, this same demonic force is wrapping its pincers around the Jews of Yeshua.
	These Jews refuse to realize that their enemy is terrified by the revival of Torah Judaism.
	Taking place in these territories and will do whatever needs to be done to wipe the revival out and return the country to the Sabbatean values envisioned by the founders of Israel.
	Opposing the Sabbatean Zionists during the period of the Holocaust were what were known as the Revision Zionists.
	Today the wounded and weakened descendants of these good Zionists are known broadly as the right.
	They tried and failed to save the Jews of Europe.
	The labor Zionists had far too many powerful allies among the bloodthirsty occultists who ran this planet from behind the scenes.
	So I've heard some people say that they let the Holocaust happen.
	Sure, absolutely.
	That is the problem here.
	Sabbatean Zionists made a terrible pact with the Nazis.
	Remember that, first of all, like we said earlier, Adolf Hitler himself was a product of their own upbringing.
	Simplified after the best-known component called the transfer agreement.
	They let the Germans have their way with Europe's Jews and later continued the torture and medical experiments on the Sephardic children who immigrated to the Sabbatean state.
	There was experiments after the war conducted in Israel.
	The purpose of my exposing these sadistic experiments is to strengthen Judaism by removing these anti-Jews from our midst.
	Over the past 120 years, the Sabbateans have infiltrated the Jewish leadership, says Barry Kamish, worldwide and oversaw the destruction of over 80% of the people by promoting wars, pogroms, assimilation and the Holocaust.
	They have to go.
	If Judaism is to survive, quoting Barry Kamish, we must expunge the devils.
	It means exposing the worst crimes.
	So be it.
	Every moment they sit in power over the Jews is a mortal threat to the survival of the remaining 20%.
	Because, like I said, the majority, unfortunately, is corrupt.
	I suppose it says he may have the power to shake the demon cut about the Judaism and Israel will survive the shocking truth but they will not live the continuing existence of labor Zionism.
	Another important thing that he talks about is Gaza because in his view the moment in which that followed the Oslo peace agreement there was a lot of corruption that basically led to, like I said, the dismantlement of those Jewish people who were in their settlements but at the same time it didn't really create the basis for an integration of any the dismantlement of those Jewish people who were in their settlements
	Now, Now, they say that Itzhak Rabin, that was killed by a fanatic bear, was the guy who wanted peace.
	He actually was very much a leftist, okay, who didn't have any knowledge of religion whatsoever.
	The moment in which he started to study the religion, though, that started to become a problem for some people in Israel, that he could have opened up to certain beliefs and then maybe even become more tolerant, no?
	So that's why they killed him.
	That's why in the end they killed him.
	So, regarding the Holocaust, here in his book Shabbat Ezevi, this one here, Barry Kamish says, the Rothschild goal was to control the wealth of the planet, and the Frankish vision was the destruction of Jewish ethics, to be replaced by a religion based on the exact opposite of God's intentions.
	When these factions blended, a bloody war against humanity with the Jews on the front lines erupted, and it is reaching its very pinnacle at this moment.
	This is what Barry Gammish wrote, and he died in 2016.
	The very first mention of the word Holocaust, and this is very important because it was another rabbi, which is this guy here.
	I'll show you the book.
	It's very fascinating, very fascinating, and I know we're gonna, I know you've only got limited time, so, I mean, this history... It's a book by the Zionist Book Club of Jerusalem, okay, and it says the term Holocaust, I mean, regarding the term Holocaust, it's very first mentioned, because I have written here my notes for you on this subject,
	Regards to the World Holocaust, it was in 1936 and it was made by Chaim Batesman.
	Now, if you go and study the history of Chaim Batesman, if I have a moment I can even show you this guy.
	You're like an encyclopedia.
	In fact, I go on the encyclopedia here.
	It's amazing.
	Chaim Batesman was basically a guy who was a leftist, who was close to the Rothschild in England, was close to Balfour, he was one of the main people behind the Balfour Declaration, okay?
	And in 1936, Chaim Weizmann, while addressing the World Zionist Congress, Weizmann, who would later become Israel, by the way, first president, he made the following statement, and how could he know?
	We're talking about 1936, the Holocaust hadn't yet started yet.
	He said, quote, perhaps only two million Jews will survive the upcoming Holocaust.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I mean, he used this word.
	He didn't use it.
	He said, quote, he said, but they will be strong and good for the land of Israel.
	The rest would be blown into the dust pile of history.
	So they'll be good and strong for the Land of Israel.
	In other words, we're going to let it happen so we can... That's it.
	Is that right?
	Can I ask you this?
	Now the turmoil comes.
	Go on.
	I looked it up in the dictionary.
	No, because people don't really know what it means.
	Rabbi Marvin Elterman, in these books, he said, He stated that well before World War II, the religious term meant burnt offering.
	That was the official, okay?
	In the dictionary it actually says a similar thing, burnt by fire.
	As in sacrifice.
	And he quotes Bruno Bentermein who said, calling the most cruel, most brutal, most horrid, most heinous mass murder a burnt offering is a sacrilege, a profanation of God and man.
	For Orthodox Jews, for Jews who are real Zionists and not labor Zionists, even the word Holocaust is completely wrong.
	Because it's actually telling you what they're doing.
	They let millions of Jews being slaughtered and killed for their own interest.
	What was the main interest?
	Eliminating, first of all, all the real Jewish believers.
	In favour of the Sabbatean, Frankish, Labour, Zionist, Socialist, Communist, Leftist that became the founders of Israel.
	One thing, Leo, one of the offshoots of that was it was also a shield where you could never criticise Those people like, for instance, a Zionist Israel, right?
	In other words, they're using that Holocaust as a shield that no one can, you're anti-Semitic if you say anything against Israel.
	Do you know what I'm trying to say?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, it can be very much a possibility for the Labour Zionists to shield themselves from also what they're doing.
	So what you're saying is they let, we're saying they let two million people die just for their future goals, right?
	There's a citation that Barry Camish does in this book, Routan, which basically makes us understand why they sent all these people.
	In 1932, He said, quote, how many organizations in Germany represented German Jewry?
	Over 250.
	In 1933, so only one year later after the persecution started, how many?
	One and one only.
	Labour Zionism, backed by Rothschild money and Jesuit power.
	That's it.
	You have to understand that in Judaism there was also Moses Mendelsohn, there was the Jewish Enlightenment, which were basically the same values that the Enlightenment started to push, the atheism, all those values that then inevitably led to the rise of communism and leftists.
	This is, you know, of course... Leo, go on, go on, go on, go on.
	I just wanted also, get that and read it, and I know, I realize, you know, your time's running out, you're going, you know, you only have the 19 minutes, but you carry on if you want.
	But what I wanted to say is this, so how does that tie into, you see the Jews now, with the black hats, the Torah people, the black hats, with the curls... Which we were talking about before, the gentlemen talk about the Holocaust.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Of course, you know, when you go on it, he's presented like a scientist, president of the World Zionist Organization and first president of the state of Israel.
	But if we go and research who he is, then we understand that he's very much a guy who wasn't really religious at all.
	The people who eventually led to the creation of Israel and then started to, you know, they were simply tools of the Rothschilds, of the Sabbatean Frankists, and pushed this labor Zionism, this leftist.
	Then it's the one that brings you the gay pride parades in Tel Aviv, or the people dancing next to the Gaza Strip for a peace march.
	for a peace initiative with music.
	Now, I, as you know, was a DJ for many years and I know very much the scene.
	Also, you know, I heard a lot about the scene in Israel and so on.
	And what has happened there was deliberate.
	Apparently, the organizers apparently moved to that location in the last two weeks.
	The location was supposed to be a different location.
	So it's a sacrifice, really?
	It's a sacrifice.
	They are led to slaughter by... and here there is two possibilities here.
	Either Benjamin Netanyahu is somebody who has agreed with this whole thing.
	Why then Benjamin Netanyahu has been pushed into this?
	And when I see him lately, I have the impression that he's a little bit pushed because we have seen him also in the last 24 hours with the guy next to him, the two guys, the Minister of Defense and the military.
	He was in between with the other guy Who is in charge of defense, who is pushing, let's invade, let's invade, let's invade, let's start, let's start, let's go, let's go.
	And Netanyahu is very weak politically.
	And it was made politically weak in the last few years by those same people who have weakened Donald J. Trump, by the same people who have weakened the conservative movement for what it was worth in England, the same people that are basically bringing us a washed up version of conservatives, which in the end is no better than what you have on the other side.
	Today we can say that in England, if you have the Labour Party or you have the Conservatives, it's all the same shit.
	Different cheeks on the same arse.
	Matt Letizia said that.
	I was supposed to get him on the show.
	Different cheeks on the same arse.
	But when it comes to Israel, one, you know, you used to think back in the days that Likud and the party of Benjamin Netanyahu was the party that really wanted to bring back certain values.
	In fact, they opposed the Oslo Agreement.
	Because of the compromises that were made that couldn't.
	But instead now, it seems like, just like the Fratelli d'Italia in Italy with Giorgio Meloni, it's all BS.
	These people are just power pawns in the great reset of Klaus Schwab and King Charles.
	And they're just going along with the show.
	So to actually go and say, Free Palestine!
	Left to Israel!
	All this BS is just playing into a game that they know exactly what.
	But the thing is here that unfortunately they're pushing more and more Israel to use that nuclear option.
	And the moment they push that nuclear option, and Israel uses that nuclear option, that by the way, like we said, was made possible, like you can read in Volume 7 from Klaus Schwab.
	They're already saying if Iran, you know, Hezbollah will incinerate Iran, right?
	Then at that point, of course, all the nations will go against Israel.
	But then it will be simply manifesting the end times the way we have envisioned, with Armageddon and the end times and the whole thing.
	Are we about to envision the end times?
	Yes.
	But the problem here is how much damage can this whole show produce?
	Well, remember one thing.
	They started with the pandemic.
	They continued later on with the vaccines.
	The main intention is the population.
	So the more wars, the better.
	Ukraine, the start.
	This is a continuum.
	But then, of course, you have Taiwan, which is another important part of what is yet to come.
	And the world will be at war and people will kill each other and the population will be reduced.
	And in seven years from now, you will have AI and robots taking the work of a lot of people who were alive.
	Cashless digital slavery.
	Yeah.
	And I say something, those hundreds of thousands of people marching through London should know that in 10 years from now, they will be on universal basic income, ready to die with their next vaccine.
	And that's it.
	And if they don't stop and start finally waking up to this reality, the real enemy is materializing in cyber satan.
	In my latest book, Volume 9, I explain how that is happening with the quantum computers that will bring us to the next stage, the digital divide, because nowadays me and you have computers.
	Everybody has computers.
	Everybody is basically leveled.
	But the moment in which you bring the quantum computer into the equation, the quantum computer can get into your blockchain, into your password, in everything, and the quantum computer costs a million dollars to run and to maintain with Helium expensive thing, and it's basically a million and a half dollars to have a quantum computer for what I know, who is going to afford it?
	The billionaires!
	And suddenly you have the billionaires in their quantum castles, virtual castles, which dominate the rest of us peasants with their little computers.
	That's it.
	That is feudalism.
	And they'll shut Zagami and me down just with a press of a button, finished.
	Shut your bank account, finished.
	That's it.
	And you're finished.
	You're finished.
	So their push is towards microchipping the population.
	And we're back to what we have been discussing for years.
	So nothing has changed.
	I don't know how people can still believe in the lies that are pushed from the TV of taking sides with Palestine or Israel.
	This is all a big theatre, but there is people who are dying.
	So don't get me wrong.
	I'm never for those people who say, oh, no, this is fiction.
	Those houses in Gaza have not been destroyed or those people in Israel are not being killed.
	That is really bad to say those kind of things.
	You don't need to go there.
	The conspiracy is manifesting in front of our eyes and it's an incredible one.
	You don't need to silently start talking about the possibility that, oh well, that is an actor.
	No, that is not a real building.
	No, we don't need to go there.
	We need to be realistic and live in the here and now and understand what is their plan, what they're aiming for, And that's why in my books, like, you know, I try to do that.
	Yeah.
	And I know you've got to go.
	I know we've added a lot of time here, but my God, I can ask you so many questions that I'll never get around to asking you here.
	But at the end of the day, one thing I did want to ask you before you go, because it's an important question.
	You see the Jews, the Jews for Torah and all the rest of it, with their curly hair and their black hats, they're getting dragged away.
	I've got to ask you this.
	It's very important because people are asking me this.
	What's going on with that?
	They're against Zionism, they're getting dragged away by the IDF and blah blah blah and they're saying we are against Zionism and there's this clash inside Israel as well.
	It's crazy isn't it?
	Well the clash inside Israel has been the same clash that we had inside America.
	There is the Sabbatean Frankist movement financed by people like George Soros and Who are pushing all that bullshit values on us and the never-ending controversy that can be with conservative forces like Benjamin Netanyahu, Donald J. Trump.
	That is the whole thing.
	Now, on the contrary of Benjamin Netanyahu, Trump is really risking everything.
	Risking everything.
	Maybe Netanyahu is risking everything politically, but Trump is risking to be arrested and to never see the light of day anymore if he loses the next election.
	I painted a picture of Trump on a crucifix like that.
	Yeah, so that is basically what is happening.
	I'll get it now, wait.
	But I wanted to go back to the concept of the First Temple, because like a friend of mine... I've got to show everybody, Leo, because... Great, great!
	When they started beating Trump up, this is what I did, yeah?
	Right?
	And it's really important, this.
	Like a friend of mine from the Chabad said to me the other day... That's my painting, yeah?
	Real Jewish people who are spiritual, they don't care about the Temple being reconstructed.
	That needs to be clear for everybody.
	I'm not a Trump worshipper by the way, but go on.
	Trump has done a great thing with the Abrahamic Accords.
	He was really trying to And finally, clear up the mess around the patronage of these holy sites, about the Palestinians and their own reality that they need to build up.
	So, I mean, when in a few weeks or months are we going to see that those Arab countries that are now saying, oh, Palestine is being wooed, the people in Gaza, but then after when they are against the real foundation of Palestine, because the thing is, why?
	Those can't.
	Why?
	When there was the site by Picot Accord, but also why after?
	They didn't simply take a little piece of Lebanon, a little piece of Egypt, a little piece of Jordan, put them together, give them their land and move them all there.
	I mean, it happened with Pakistan at the time.
	You remember, there was a great division of people from Muslim faith and Hindus.
	One went to Pakistan, the other one stayed in India and there was a big... I mean, of course, it is Things that you don't like but, I mean, to see because it's a mass forced immigration.
	But having said that, these days it's impossible to even imagine that people, you know, can have a state which is basically based on two little pieces of land that in the middle have another land which is basically Israel.
	I mean... It's crazy, man!
	It's crazy, man!
	People have gone mad!
	If I want to go to the West Bank, I have to take a bus control with security guards with guns, and then I can travel for one spare part to go to visit my relative in the West Bank from Gaza.
	I mean, it's insane.
	It's insane, man.
	It's insane.
	There's no borders from space.
	Yeah, it's insane.
	It's insane.
	But the thing is, I think that if we want to go there, then The world needs to take their own responsibilities, give them a state, and then in that state also prohibit any organizations like Hamas.
	Because when you permit organizations that go as far as hurting people in that way, well, then, I'm sorry, but it's not something I can agree with.
	And I know that there is a lot of people out there saying, but those people, maybe, you know, Israel is making it up and, you know, we are falling for this and falling for that.
	I know that Israel are no saints.
	They have also already killed a lot of people in Gaza and probably a lot of innocent people.
	But the problem here is you find yourself with a network of tunnels that are all over the place.
	They don't even want to go in because they know it's a trap waiting to happen.
	They will use Of course, all the time those civilians as their shields.
	It'll be a bloodbath.
	Bloodbath.
	Bloodbath.
	Which is going to be terrible to see and it's going to bring immediately to a regional war and a war conflict.
	That's why Israel at the moment is standing back.
	It's not standing back because, you know, oh Joe Biden has said to stand back.
	We have to.
	Joe Biden.
	Joe Biden doesn't even have a brain anymore.
	Christ.
	he was talking and I have a urgent thing to do in the other room.
	Yeah.
	What are you guys?
	You, you, you, yeah.
	You have to go to target it.
	You have to go to target it.
	The guy is, that's it.
	It's a terrible situation.
	So, listen, Leo, before we go, because I've got just one last thing, because I know we're going to go now, but this is my overall... I'm an artist, so I use big brush strokes, right?
	Look, I've got a big brush stroke, because I'm a painter.
	I say one of the reasons I think that this is all happening is to bring people to their bloody knees, and for fuck's sake, Remember and realize that there's no borders on space, that we're all the same, and I think this whole terrible situation that's happening, and there'll be even when the bombs are going off and nuclear... hang on a minute, Leo, and when the nuclear bombs are going off, is it going to be... it's forcing us almost to release our labels and live as one in peace!
	But is that going to happen, Leo?
	The answer?
	No.
	No, but there is also a covenant that was made between God and man regarding Israel, and now you can believe it or not, but in the end I mean, that is a covenant that the Jewish people respect and that brought them back to Israel.
	There is the responsibility of Great Britain, which is a big responsibility, which they should finally take this responsibility and not address the response, instead, you know, blaming people who have only worked all their life, because the people who are in Israel, in those kibbutz, who make a living in that harsh environment and have managed to make the ground profitable, where there was nothing.
	Believe me, there was nothing.
	There's some parts of Israel, when the Arabs were there, there was a bunch of camels, there was nothing.
	Now there is.
	Nice parks, cities, and so on.
	So are we going to blame the innocent people who were in one way or another forced to go and immigrate and end up in Israel?
	No.
	Are we going to blame the Arabs that were pushed out of their feet?
	No!
	But if those Arabs then resort every time to corruption and violence, well, I'm sorry man, but you know, there is no justification when The representative of the Palestinian government, the ambassador says to the English guy there, what's his name?
	Piers Morgan, yeah.
	He goes on and he starts saying, oh, well, you know, Piers says, listen, the hospital has been bombed by the Islamic Jihad.
	No.
	Even if they have the issue.
	No.
	And so it is, obviously, nobody's trusting each other.
	The Palestinians don't trust the Israelis, the Israelis don't trust the Palestinians.
	But people died.
	Now, the New York Times comes out and says, oh, well, only the car park was bombed.
	But in the meantime, that brought anger, hate, more bombings, attacks.
	Why?
	Because suddenly, you know, the Western media, immediately after Hamas sends out the thing, they believe in it.
	They fact-check everything we say.
	At times we can't even talk on their, you know, me and you can't go on YouTube anymore saying certain things because we will be banned.
	But, you know, Hamas sends them a message saying, these people, and we have to believe it.
	I think that there needs to be a little bit of balance here, and I think that like Alexander Dugin has said, and here I end my interview today with you, in the end, only the Messiah will be able to sort things out.
	I think I agree there's some kind of massive intervention.
	Because there has to be an intervention that is at the same time internal and external.
	And the Messiah will be internal to all the Abrahamic faiths because he can say, well, you predicted I was coming, you predicted I was coming, you predicted I was coming, I'm here.
	Now you act accordingly to what God wants and God is not a football stadium and we are not going to start here one team against the other.
	Team God is one.
	The religions are many, so screw them all up because they're made of organizations and institutions which are corrupt.
	And only the Vatican can believe that they can bring together a one-world religion with organized religions.
	They're all a bunch of crooks!
	Well, I was going to ask you about the Vatican, how that plays out and all this, but we haven't got time, I know, because you've got to go, you know.
	The Vatican has been blamed by Israel, of course, for being too close.
	But at the same time, the thing is that within Israel, the Jesuits are the ones who are siding with the Labour Zionists all the time and all their things.
	So I think that we need to pray that, of course, The next few weeks I'm not going to see a bloodbath, which seems inevitable now.
	But after that bloodbath, they will unfortunately come for you because when the world war starts, then both me and you will be starting to feel it.
	So now we can be in the comfort zone of our homes watching what's happening in the Middle East.
	But remember, at the moment that this conflict starts and you have 12,000 American soldiers are ready.
	Ten ships.
	China sending six ships.
	Everybody getting ready.
	Like, wow!
	What are we having?
	The Olympics of war in the Middle East?
	It'll be a firework show.
	Firework show, Leo.
	Why don't you just go and kill yourself without using the nukes?
	Whatever.
	If you want, we let the civilians out and you can... In the old times, there was an army against another army.
	People were not cowards hiding in tunnels with hostages.
	They came out and they fought the army of the enemy.
	And the leaders were in the front line?
	Yeah.
	Not hiding and using the other guys as cannon fodder, you know?
	Because remember that whatever happens here, the leaders are always in their bunkers, in their comfort environment.
	And then you have half a million people died in Ukraine.
	What's that all about?
	Unbelievable.
	So people are getting sacrificed but you need to wake up, not to go and march.
	March?
	What are you going to march for?
	Marching has not ever changed anything because all the revolutions have been coordinated by the usual suspects.
	So either you wake up and you start realizing that, then at that point you will be storming, raiding Buckingham Palace, taking all their riches, taking all their money and say the House of the Windsors is no longer in charge of this kingdom.
	We want a new king with a new bloodline because this bloodline is cursed.
	That's how it used to work in the old days.
	It is cursed, yeah.
	It is cursed.
	It's a curse.
	It's a curse of evil on the planet.
	That's what it is.
	And the great thing is it's eating itself like a big cancer, it'll go.
	But listen, Leo, before you go, thank you ever so much for being on the show.
	It's a tremendous history lesson, Leo, man.
	You've blown my mind.
	It's like, oh, I think people will really enjoy this.
	But it's like, wow, it's so overwhelmingly amazing.
	Your knowledge is amazing, Leo.
	LeoZagami.com and I really appreciate everything you're doing.
	It's been great to be with you again.
	You're a very special man with a lot of knowledge.
	Thank you so much for your great time and I'll see you again soon.
	Thank you very much.
	Send me the link for this great video.
	I would like to share it.
	And thank you for all those people who have viewed us today on the various platforms.
	I hope we will be soon back together so we can, because these are subjects that, like you said, they really require a lot of time.
	So we can only scratch the surface even in the almost two hours that we've been here.
	Thank you, Leo.
	Lots of love to you, and I very much thank you.
	All the best.
	Leo Zagami, there he goes, guys!
	My gosh, what a mind-blower, yeah?
	What a mind-blower, yeah?
	I thought I'd be on the show with Leo for 45 minutes, but as you know, it's not very often I don't say anything, but it's the most amazing thing, and it makes you realise when you speak to Leo how little you know, yeah?
	And like Leo said, I just won't go on for too much, but very briefly, like Leo was saying, and I talk a lot about consequences and feedback loops from decisions made previously with or without vision and wisdom, right?
	So most of the things, the realities that we see today, whether it's war or peace or mayhem or chaos or symbiosis and harmony, It is generally a product of decisions made previously, consequences and feedback loops of decisions made previously, with a vision and wisdom.
	And mostly it's about profit, power, control.
	And that's got to go, you know.
	And as I mentioned on the show with Leo, this is what I think, I'm very basic with my language, is that I think we're being forced to release our labels.
	It's all going to fall away when the bombs are going off in like a firework show and we're all being incinerated.
	What will happen then?
	Well, we'll come back home to ourselves, right?
	And say, hey, guess what?
	We're all the bloody same.
	There's no borders to space.
	There's no such thing as Palestine, Gaza, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Iraq.
	Don't get me wrong.
	All these beautiful histories, and they've got their wonderful history and everything like that, which is very precious, right?
	But let's let ourselves go, okay?
	Let me tell you something.
	When it comes to the crunch, and people are slaughtering each other, like it would be a bloodbath in Gaza, but make no mistake, right?
	You come face to face with someone, you've both got your arms blown off and stuff like that, and you look into each other's eyes, Like that, you realise you're all the same.
	And I've been with people who have died.
	My father, one.
	And there's a thing that runs through the death, when you're dying, quite often.
	And people say this.
	My own father said it.
	It was like, just before you die, everything's so beautiful.
	Everything's so beautiful.
	Because everything's gone.
	Your past, your future, your name, your religion, you're lying in a baby's nappy, shitting yourself like a skeleton.
	And all you've got is this moment.
	Everything's been taken away, your future and your past.
	And you suddenly come into contact with that thing which was there all along, which is that amazing peace and beauty.
	Of being in this beautiful present moment without any labels or attachments.
	Is that where we've got to go?
	Have we got to reach that place of virtual oblivion?
	Before we say, what have we done?
	We're all brothers and sisters.
	I hope not.
	But generally, it's the psychopaths in control of the government, like Leo said.
	They're never at the front of the fighting line.
	Hey, Netanyahu!
	Hey, you know.
	Come into the front line, you know?
	George Bush, Tony Blair, come on, use your gun, come on, lead us!
	Inspire us!
	Forward!
	No.
	No, they're hiding away the people who are doing all these things.
	So, look, it's been a great history lesson with Leo, and I've got to just plug a couple of things before I go.
	Obviously, my own book.
	Have a look at my own book.
	There's a lot of stuff in my own book there.
	Also get Leo's Books.
	There's a link under the show to Leo's Books.
	I'm also always promoting the Roots products.
	They've got fantastic effects.
	They take toxins out of the body, heavy metals out of the body.
	When you see what we're being sprayed from the sky with, it's not a conspiracy guys.
	They're spraying aluminium and all sorts of terrible things in the sky.
	The dimming is a great Documentaries Watch by Dane Wigington.
	It's going on every day and people don't realise, you know, that they're controlling global warming, spraying stuff in the sky, which is giving us all cancer, making us all tired and exhausted.
	So you've got to do everything you can to get those toxins out of your body.
	And the Roots products are fantastic.
	I highly recommend them and promote them.
	And there's a link under this show.
	Go there and by ordering them through me, You'll help my show, because they give me a small commission.
	And they will look after you.
	They are good people.
	So get those products.
	I'll be talking more about that again.
	Also go to my website, jasonleosadasart.com.
	I'm an artist in Devon, here in Totnes, South Devon, and you'll see my paintings on there.
	and prints and everything like that.
	Also go to my wife's website naturalearthecoclothing.com.
	She's an amazing designer.
	She designs her own clothes, all organic, and go there.
	And if you want to see what we're doing with our naturalearthecoliving.com, the project to try and build communities without the madness With your own food and your own water and your own very reasonably priced eco-housing.
	Sounds impossible, but that's what we're trying to do.
	If you want to support us there, go and see us there.
	So I think that's it really.
	But again and again, I keep saying, and I'll flash up my painting right there now.
	One of the paintings I painted saying we should refuse to fight.
	I did that years and years ago.
	I think that was around the time I was marching in London with Tony Benn.
	That amazing man, Tony Benn, the politician, I was in the student union with him and we were the conspiracy theorists of that day, right?
	Saying that Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction and they wanted to take over the Middle East.
	That's what we were doing in London in those days.
	So yeah, I've been talking about finding peace on earth for many, many years.
	And there's another painting I'll just flash up there, a couple of them actually, that I've done, my more gruesome paintings.
	About the carnage and misery that's being perpetrated on the world with bombs and guns.
	And it's a big business, guys.
	It's a big profitable business.
	And it's got to stop.
	And how will it stop?
	I don't know.
	I'm not a prophet, you know.
	But all I do know is that it's got to stop before it kills us.
	So, you know, if someone was to say, what's the greatest problem on earth at the moment?
	The greatest threat to humanity?
	Well, I can tell you in one simple sentence.
	It's humans' minds.
	The greatest threat to humanity is our own minds.
	Because most of the things you see, the problems, the peace, the madness, the mayhem, the harmony, it comes out of a human mind, you know?
	Our thoughts manifest the future.
	So what we think and what we do creates the future.
	And the mayhem, as Leo very succinctly and beautifully told us about the history of that region, That history is a manifestation of previous decisions made with or without vision and wisdom, mostly without vision and wisdom.
	Clearly, there could be a tremendous harmony on this planet, a tremendous harmony, a utopia virtually.
	People say that's impossible, Jason.
	Yes, it's impossible while humans are in their current state of madness and imbalances.
	There was an amazing film called What was it called?
	With Walter Pigeon in it.
	It was about a race of people, the monsters of Id, all black and white film, about a race of people on a planet that reached such a high state of technology and almost advancement.
	But they didn't deal with those monsters of Id, their minds, the madness of their own minds.
	They didn't deal with that to find that tremendous peace inside oneself.
	that then emanates globally.
	Each person needs to tap back into that peace within them and realise that everyone is your brothers and sisters, not your enemies.
	And it's mostly the global governments that divide and conquer us and turn us against each other.
	There's no borders from space.
	I'll say it again.
	No borders from space.
	Nothing.
	Go up and see.
	Go up in a plane, you know, go to the edge of space and look down and see no borders from space.
	We're fighting like children, like lunatics!
	Imagine a symbiotic being from another planet coming here and saying what is going on here, yeah?
	It's madness!
	Profit, power, misery, slavery, debt!
	Anyway, that'll do for now.
	LeoZogami.com.
	Thank you, Leo, again.
	He was one of my favourite men talking about this stuff.
	He's an amazing man.
	And tomorrow, like I said, I spoke in the conference in London with Leo.
	That was his Hidden Masters conference with his new book.
	That was years ago now.
	And Reverend David Paddy was there.
	Reverend David Paddy's on the show tomorrow.
	And we're going to have a good chat about peace and about finding that peace within and transcending madness and transcending our war-like
	feelings and uh really like a homecoming I suppose and like I said remember what I said often at death we come home to ourselves to that place within us that is pure and right in this moment and that's there all the time for often you've got to go through a death to get it back you know let's not go through the death of a nuclear holocaust and an armageddon to realize oh my god
	We're all one.
	We're all one big giant family.
	Beautiful, different skin colours, languages.
	It's a miracle!
	Chinese, Japanese, Iranian.
	Beautiful.
	I had an Iranian lady in my house the other day.
	What a beautiful, amazing person.
	Exuding love and what a generous, lovely lady.
	And I know lots of different races and religions.
	I was in South Africa being shot at.
	In the 80s, when Mandela was still on Robben Island, I married a black lady from Cape Town.
	So I know about apartheid, yeah?
	And I know about how we can be brainwashed to hate each other and take advantage of another country.
	I was very angry.
	Just a quick thing before I go.
	I was very angry in those days because it was a terrible... I witnessed some horrors in Cape Town, yeah?
	And when I married my wife at that time, I'm not with her now, then it magnified everything for me.
	I could see what was going on.
	We came back here, we went to Florida, there was train tracks, black, white, same kind of thing, right?
	And it just highlighted that for me, you know?
	So we've got to transcend those labels, you know?
	We've really got to transcend those labels.
	But my father said something very important, I want to just quote him here.
	He said, Jason, don't be so angry about it.
	He said, it's a human failing, not a colour thing.
	And I said, it's not, it's a colour thing.
	The black people are being persecuted there by the white people who are taking over their country.
	Yeah.
	And they've turned them into slaves, they had them as maids, working for them as slaves in their own country, paying them rubbish to work, treating them terribly, hitting them, bashing them, hurting their children, killing them.
	I was there, I saw it.
	My father said no, he said it's a human failing, not a colour thing.
	He said if it was those black people coming to the white shores and they had more power and control and weaponry and manipulation than the other people on the shores, the white people or whatever, they would have done the same thing.
	Now I know you can't agree with everything like that, but I think he was right.
	It's a human failing.
	The bigger the army, the bigger the ego, the bigger the madness, the bigger the control.
	We'll take over you.
	We'll persecute you.
	We'll turn you into our slaves.
	We'll manipulate you.
	We'll take over your land.
	We'll this, we'll that.
	Human madness.
	Perhaps it's intrinsic in us all.
	Perhaps we're destined to fail.
	Perhaps we're destined to be mad and control everybody else.
	Well, I don't think so.
	I think there's a great part inside us, a godly part, you know?
	We've got a thing inside us, an ethical alarm bell it's called, right?
	It's placed in every single human being.
	It's there!
	You can say nature put it there, God put it there, whatever you want to believe, but it's there.
	It tells you what's right and wrong.
	You don't need a book to tell you that.
	That it's wrong to take over a country or it's wrong to manipulate soldiers to kill for you.
	Or to go in to do terrible things or make profit from people.
	You know, you've got to pay for water now.
	It's ridiculous.
	Pay for water.
	It's crazy.
	Big bills, big rents, big mortgages.
	We're slaves!
	So that ethical alarm bell is in us for a reason.
	It tells you what's right and wrong.
	And my own father said the same thing.
	He said, it's like the batteries have been taken out.
	When it comes to money and profit and power, the ethical alarm bell is compromised.
	People shut it off.
	They shut their minds off to it.
	Because the whole system is based on short-term greed, power, profit and control.
	And debt and slavery.
	And we've got to get back.
	We've got to come back to that.
	So that's God in us, if you like.
	That alarm bell.
	It tells you when you're doing something that's not good to some other human being.
	Think all those Israeli soldiers want to go in there and kill all the Gazans?
	They do if they've been brainwashed in school that those brown people are inferior animals.
	The Palestinian people, someone said to me the other day, those kids have been brainwashed that the Israelis are the enemy and blah blah blah.
	So it goes on.
	So like Neil said, it's one big mess.
	It's one big, terrible, terrible mess.
	And when there's rivers of blood, then, oh, what have we done?
	Come back to the God in ourselves.
	Whether you believe in God or not, there's a God inside each person.
	And it's there.
	It's pure and it's beautiful.
	We'll be forced back to that.
	One way or the other.
	We will.
	And I hope there's not too much bloodshed before it happens.
	OK, thanks again, Leo.
	See you tomorrow with Reverend David Parry.
	Bless you all.
	I love you all.
	Be kind to each other.
	Be nice to each other.
	Treat each other like you like to be treated.
	Treat others like you like to be treated.
	We'd have a harmony on the planet we can barely imagine in our current dislocated, dismembered selves.
	It's very sad.
	Very sad.
	So, see you next time.
	Be happy.
	Be healthy.
	Love each other.
	And love yourself.
	Take care.

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