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Aug. 31, 2023 - The Leo Zagami Show

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THE DARKEST SECRETS OF THE ILLUMINATI AI

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	Well, hello ladies and gentlemen, wherever you may be around the world.
	I am Jay Campbell, and of course you are watching the Jay Campbell Podcast, and I'm very excited today to be joined, I think for a fourth time, by Leo Zagami to talk about his newest book, which is Confessions of Illuminati, Volume 9.
	Leo, what is going on, my brother?
	How are you?
	Very well and I always glad to be back.
	Of course I bring back every time a new book because I've been quite prolific in publishing these books and I think this book in particular though it's a little bit different from the others and I think that You have read it, so you know what I'm talking about.
	You don't really need to read the other books to read Volume 9.
	It has these seven chapters with these seven steps to make you more and more aware of this New World Disorder.
	But in reality, you can read it as a book of its own without the whole series behind.
	Though, of course, it's better to know my past work maybe for reference.
	But I think that my aim was to do something that could be read by a lot of people that don't know my work.
	It's an urgent message, a message that needs to reach a lot of people as soon as possible, as you have seen yourself.
	And so I think that people are appreciating it.
	Of course, we are, like we were saying just before going on the air, always submit to a lot of censorship and sabotage.
	Even on Amazon, you know, I have all five-star reviews, but suddenly out of nowhere you have a one-star review that is not even a review, just so they can get lower your rating, you know?
	Or I remember the first couple of days, imagine this.
	I just came out with the book and I was on a few of the Amazon charts.
	You know, I was number one in occultism and this and that and all the other.
	And suddenly I posted it on my wall and from out of nowhere, a bunch of trolls started attacking me, commenting me on the book without even having read the book.
	But this was never happened to me before.
	And it was like professors from leftist universities, people with Antifa symbols on the Facebook.
	And I was like, wow.
	It's probably fake.
	It's probably, what do they call it?
	They call it AI bots that are simulating those actual personalities.
	Exactly.
	and say similarly but definitely dissing me left right and center trying to sabotage my message and what i'm standing for so i i guess that when you start getting on the nerves of the system you know that you are on the right you're in the coffee exactly you're as i say you're you're directly over the target yep absolutely absolutely so So what was your take after reading your book?
	I mean, I think it's, I mean, I've read most of your books.
	Like you said, I mean, it can be read standalone.
	But I mean, I said it was a riveting, you know, it's a masterpiece, for sure.
	100%.
	I've gotten a number of people to purchase it and read it.
	Thank you.
	You know, you're obviously a prolific author, as you said, and to be able to write a book You know, this big and this prodigious and following, you know, seven and eight, which were also amazing books, you know, and to be able to do it as fast as you do it, it takes great creativity as an author myself, obviously, I'm in the middle of a book launch myself right now.
	But I mean, honestly, like I told you, you know, and telling the audience, as always, you always have a positive message at the end.
	But this is very distressing stuff to read.
	And you know, the truth is, Leo, and you and I know this, and thankfully most of my audience knows this, but not enough people understand what is going on.
	And it's mind-blowing, you know, to read your book and to see how you factually document everything that's happening.
	Yeah, because I try to always stay on my investigative journey, that you need to be Able to bring this information without being debunked in any way, shape or form.
	So, you need to bring this information with the correct sources, with the correct references and the correct testimonies.
	So, I think that this has been done and I haven't seen people debunking it or even criticizing it.
	Like I said, when they left the one-star review, they haven't left a review though.
	And so, this is like, all the people who were attacking me and criticizing me, you know, They couldn't find anything in the book to criticize.
	Then it starts to become just personal attacks on my persona and things like that.
	So I think we arrived on target.
	We are also preparing the people like me and you are preparing.
	Most people to become aware and get ready to eventually get off the grid and do maybe some changes in their life, starting immediately.
	Yeah, I mean, exactly.
	I mean, exactly.
	And you and you have, you know, all this laid out in the book.
	And as you always do, you organize your thoughts, you know, in a very clear, what I would say, cogent way.
	You know, I've highlighted a number of sections, but I'm just going to let you do as you normally do on these podcasts and just go through.
	So our first point, talking point is really Kind of like a big picture aspect of things.
	And that's really what is their secret plan.
	So the secret plan of the elite.
	And call them the Illuminati.
	Call them the cabal.
	Call them the new world disorder.
	I mean there's so many names for these people.
	Klaus Schwab.
	It's hilarious.
	You and I are talking about Elon Musk.
	Or talking about PayPal.
	And all these people think that Elon Musk is like some good guy.
	It's insane.
	It's literally insane.
	I know.
	I know.
	And seeing what PayPal does these days.
	And the way they operate.
	It's just like the worst Orwellian nightmare.
	And if this gets then adopted as a standard by most platforms and even the banking system, like it's over, as outlined recently, then we find ourselves without any means to make any money and sustain ourselves.
	So definitely I urge people to purchase our products, our books, and give us the support, even if it's going to be increasingly difficult for us to bring you this material.
	When it comes to the books, for example, I always suggest people to purchase the actual paperback or the hardcover, whatever is available in the shape of a real book, because when it comes to digital copies,
	You never know what's the future of the digital copy, especially in this book, where I describe the rise of cybersatan through quantum computing, the way that transhumanism is evolving, since we are embracing what Pierre Teler de Cardendie, a very influential Jesuit, used to call the Omega Point, and what Ray Kurzweil calls the Singularity Event.
	I mean, the biggest fans of this kind of thing, the biggest fan is actually Elon Musk, because he was actually, even like I write in my book, portrayed in a cameo briefly in the film Transcendence with Johnny Depp.
	So people They tend to really believe that somebody, a savior, can suddenly come through and finally be just, you know?
	So they see Elon Musk giving Tiger Carlson the possibility of talking and doing his own show or doing other things with the former Twitter.
	Now X has something positive.
	But in reality, it's just a way of Well, it's just a way of trying to appease and make happy part of the population, and at the same time playing this very ambiguous role in which he's, of course, the leader of the electric cars, which are part of the problem in our future grid of control.
	Of course.
	That's really also another paradox.
	The Republicans, for example, are some of the biggest sustainers of the nuclear power.
	Of course.
	Which will sustain this whole electric grid.
	And I think that is demented when we see what's happening with Fukushima.
	It's really incredible that the Republicans can have this kind So there is no, really no solution, neither from the Republican or the Democrats.
	Yesterday, for example, and of course, people will see it in the coming days, the GOP had their presidential debate and amongst all these candidates, you know, everybody was looking at this little Indian guy saying, wow, this guy's alternative.
	He's actually defending Trump.
	But then in reality, then the guy is supported by the Davos elite and by Klaus Schwab.
	Of course.
	Yep.
	Like you say in the book, Operation Trojan Horse.
	It's always a Trojan Horse.
	It's always a Trojan Horse.
	Absolutely.
	And you know, people still are going after these traps.
	I mean, in my book, Volume 9, as you know, I explain how the AI is becoming protagonists also of all this fake news.
	Exactly.
	So, you know, the fact that we, the AI, they can suddenly substitute journalists that were mercenaries anyway, and they were just doing things because they were following an ideology, which is very robotic, if we want, in its approach.
	You either believe Exactly.
	in their ideology or other you're out.
	So there is also a tendency to really ridicule any conservative thought.
	And this means that in the end, they want to install a one party ideology. - Exactly. - Just like they want to install eventually one world government in the world.
	And all this will eventually lead us to the control made by the AI.
	The AI that is working behind the scenes and is rising.
	The AI that is developing.
	But going back to step one.
	of my confessions.
	As you know, I brought also for the first time out the actual evidence that the Illuminati are working for transhumanism.
	And so I did it with a document from a guy who is a member of the Academy of the Illuminati, Dr. Nicholas Laus, showing pics, photos, documents.
	What did you think about that?
	I mean, it's amazing.
	I mean, I wanted, as I was listening to you, I wanted to mention to you, too, that let's not forget in Chapter 8 in Confessions, you talked about how the AI was simulating QAnon.
	And, you know, that whole, like, alternative truth side of the movement that people thought was actually taking place was also a triumph.
	That is something already, as you know, yeah, it was from 7, actually, where I... I'm sorry, 7, I thought it was 8.
	You're so prolific, I can't keep it together.
	Even my thoughts are blank, you know.
	So they're... and you talk about this in all of your books, you know, what is now known as COINTELPRO.
	And so they're running both sides of the game, Leo.
	Yeah, but like I also, because that thing you just said about Q Anon, which I denounced in Volume 7, then it was something that I actually picked up again in Volume 9, because it was confirmed by Yuval Noah Harari, who said himself that the Q Anon could be seen as the first way of, you know, How the AI religions of political parties of the future will be formed.
	Because, you know, who tells us that this whole QAnon thing wasn't simply AI generated and that's it?
	Because in the end, we never really had any evidence that it was a human behind it.
	No.
	And the results of it was that a bunch of people believed in all this and ended up going to the Capitol Hill protest to fall into a trap.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, you also proved, though, again, and I apologize, it was in Chapter 7.
	It's crazy.
	I've read all your books, but you did prove that the military Invest, you know, just call it the black budget.
	All the stuff they were doing in the early 2000s was creating the technology that led to AI being able to create that basically psyop of simulated thoughts.
	And it gets really scarier, though, Leo, if we go deeper, because you think about what it's doing now as it listens to us.
	On our cell phones, you know, with the behavioral ad targeting, you know, on all the social media networks.
	I mean, it literally is listening to our thoughts, it's observing our habits, and then it's creating predictability algorithms on what we are predicted or what we intend to do.
	It's almost like it's reading our minds!
	In fact, that's why I entitled the second chapter, step two of my new book, Volume 9, The Advent, the first actually sub-chapter of Chapter 2, The Advent of the Hades Information Era, because it is really this algorithmic Mentality and morality that is imposed on us by the system.
	And it's not even a human anymore that is dealing with the censorship.
	Most of the time, like we know, it's an algorithm.
	It's the AI.
	But this AI is also evolving.
	You know, it's increasing its power.
	And what's going to happen once they start with the quantum computing?
	And with these quantum computers, immensely more powerful that could actually, like you said, read your mind.
	But it might actually happen with quantum computing.
	Literally.
	So then at that point, you know, they simply observe our face, our expressions, and they know already where we are heading, what we are doing.
	And this is basically the moment in which robotics will take over the show.
	Because then you have AI, of course, but then you have the robotic side of things, which is what they're going to use to implement all this.
	And recently, I mean, as you know, in my book, I talk about Sophia, the robot.
	It's unreal.
	And just five years ago, Al Jazeera did an interview with Sophia and she confirmed that the robots will take over, no problem, humanity.
	Five years ago and nobody even knows!
	But they're telling us in Hollywood too with Terminator and Skynet.
	Yeah, of course.
	In the realm of fantasy, of science fiction, things have always been presented to us.
	Exactly.
	So we could gradually accept them and maybe not be threatened so much by them.
	And this is something that I, of course, I also expose in the past Volume 8 when I talk about all the Hollywood involvement and how it now actually Paradoxically, the actors and the film directors are now striking because of the AI invasion of Hollywood.
	These people are a joke because they are basically working for Silicon Valley.
	Nowadays, Silicon Valley is some of the biggest producers of the movie business.
	We're talking about Amazon, Apple.
	And these companies are making TV formats, are making films.
	And they are, of course, produce of the modern technology that is coming out, that is AI generated.
	So I think that with this book, first of all, I needed to show to the public, to the audience that follows us, that there is a reality here which is connected directly with what we call the Illuminati, their Jesuit overlords and Sabbatean Frankist overlords, and how
	We are heading towards not only the AI disinformation era, which is already ongoing and we are living it already, but we're heading towards a world in which our thoughts will become, of course, monitored through the fact that we are embracing this transhumanist aspect.
	We are starting to insert microchips.
	Just a few weeks ago, you saw here in America and also in Italy, there was this Yeah, it's insane, dude.
	microchips inside her so she could go to the supermarket and not, you know, and they think it's cool, you know, that you don't have to, you don't have to give your credit card of your bank card anymore because you simply pass it like this and you scan your screen.
	Yeah, it's insane, dude.
	You saw that video, right, that was making the way on social media of that girl was so excited because she was scanning her hand and I'm just sitting here thinking these people are retarded.
	It's like they're giving up their rights as sovereign individual humans.
	They have no idea what it entails, no idea.
	But I mean, again, this is the culture.
	They've created this, Leo, you know, all these people, it's just, you know, and I don't want to pick on people under the age of 25, but if you're under the age of 25, you grew up with this in your hand.
	And so that's all they know.
	They know the screen.
	They don't read.
	They don't read books like you're of this magnitude.
	They ask the computer, Siri, Alexa, Google, the question, and we know it lies to them.
	When it gives them the answer, it lies to them.
	Or they ask the AI to read the books for that question.
	They tell me, you know, you haven't done an audio book, but I can still use this program.
	So to read the content from my... It's insane.
	And who knows, you know?
	how this content will be read.
	And so people need to really understand that they have to stay traditional when it comes down to reading.
	We need to have copies of our books, read them and understand them and also prepare ourselves because at the moment, with this farce regarding the war in Ukraine, we have really embraced a bunch we have really embraced a bunch of continuous lies and propaganda that are never ending.
	And that at the same time are pushing our economy to new levels of inflation.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Because we have to support some country in Eastern Europe that in any case was never ours and was always under the control of Russia historically for centuries.
	So, I mean, it's... And in my book, I also explain Like, I mean, I don't think any other author has done that, but since the 1820s, how various secret societies have artificially created the Ukrainian identity.
	That's exactly right.
	Didn't even exist, the word Ukrainian.
	Actually, they were known as Ruthenians.
	Do you think, Leo, you know, you kind of get into this, but you know, this would be like a rabbit hole, but do you think that this is really just some sort of giant secret society?
	Uh, war amongst themselves that, you know, that's what the Ukraine war really is that, you know, these elites are just warring among themselves in some way, shape or form.
	Well, I think that in the end here, and I described this already from Volume 7, I explained how the Sino-Russian New World Order is, of course, trying to take control of this New World Order.
	But whoever you have, either it's the Sino-Russian New World Order or it's the American New World Order, it's a little bit like the same car driven by different pilots, different people who are driving this car, different drivers.
	But in reality, the car is always the same.
	So they are trying to show that their model, maybe, their car has a better model.
	You know, I mean, we want it like this, rather this color than that color.
	You know, we prefer it red rather than blue or blue rather than red.
	But I think that in the end, When it comes, for example, to the BRICS, and we have seen the last few days since the BRICS meeting has started in South Africa, we see that there is various degrees of ambivalence here.
	It's kind of friendly with America.
	The guy comes here, you know, all friendly.
	And then in the end is also friendly with Russia.
	But then also is worried of China, but stands in the BRICS, which is an alliance which sees mainly Russia and China as their main driving force.
	I mean, it's all very, it's like there is not really any honesty here.
	There is just a group of people that once they arrive in power, they are counting less and less and they are becoming then, you know, controlled by institutions from the United Nations, which are held by people who are never elected.
	They are bureaucrats and who have institutions like the WHO, or the FAO for the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations and other institutions and all the various NGOs created alongside the United Nations that are all part of the...
	And when you say secret society, well, I mean, of course, people these days know Freemasonry, but Freemasonry is not really a secret society.
	There are societies that are much more secret than that, than Freemasonry.
	But in any case, we can say that, and I of course say that in the book very clearly, there is, on top of this pyramid, two factions.
	And one is the Jesuits.
	And the other one is the Sabbatean Frankies.
	And these factions are then manipulating all the various secret societies of what we generally refer to as the Illuminati.
	And then you have the influence of the Theosophical Society in all this, which is a very big influence.
	And Madame Blavatsky herself was born in Ukraine, for those who don't know it, because sometimes people don't know that.
	And Ukraine, actually, has a lot of things that are wrong, aside from the war.
	I mean, they have brought something like theosophy to the world, which actually became after the playground for all the modern Satanists.
	I was going to say, it's Satanism.
	It's in disguise.
	It was always that way, though.
	I mean, even when, you know, not Alex, obviously, but Aleister Crowley, you know, all the things that he was doing was all an offshoot of that.
	All of these people.
	And look, you know, whether they were misguided and initially started off as benevolent, at least attempting, and then they were misguided and thrown off.
	And who knows?
	I mean, obviously, Aleister Crowley.
	I think that, you know, when, for example, in my book, I talk about this gnosticism that they have kind of promoted.
	And then picking up from spiritism, which became really influential in the book.
	Before Ufology, you had Spiritism.
	It was really popular, and people were really into it.
	But Spiritism communicates a lot of lies, because when you communicate with the spirits that are often demons, you are basically I want to read this to you because this is your quote in the book and I highlighted this.
	these people as bring you anything that is reliable, if that's the source.
	I want to read this to you because this is your quote in the book.
	And I highlighted this.
	You said, as a former occultist and Illuminati, with direct experience in these matters, I tend to disagree with, obviously, Timothy Albarino's take on this specific subject, as I think there are material objects, aka UFOs, which fly or materialize in our reality.
	And it does not contradict in any way, shape or form the interdimensional hypothesis of like Jacques Vallée.
	Or the possibility that the alien abductees are actually dealing in many cases with interdimensional demons who are also extraterrestrials or former ones after becoming fallen angels.
	When I read that quote, I was like, ah, you just knocked it out of the park with that right there.
	But can you kind of just like elaborate on that?
	Like, how crazy is it right now from like a, you know, a paranormal, you know, I mean, Timothy is an old friend.
	He came to Italy.
	We did this documentary together and he has made a book, which I find very interesting because it also elaborates a lot around the new Atlantean world order and everything in it.
	So, but his view is like, you know, it's like compartmentalized.
	The ufologists tend to be very compartmentalized, as most people who are involved in so-called conspiracy theories or the so-called truth movement.
	They accept only one version of the truth.
	And by accepting only one version of the truth, saying that UFOs, they can either be extraterrestrial or interdimensional.
	What are you talking about?
	If you are extraterrestrial, and if you have managed to make it all the way here, you are also technological.
	You're also able to go through the various dimensions because you have mastered the multidimensionality.
	Of course.
	So, I mean, it doesn't really make any sense.
	And the same can be said for many other things, you know, like the people who say, oh, no, this world is ruled only by Jewish people.
	Wow.
	Or only by the Vatican.
	And I tend to agree with maybe the person for a second, but then I tell him, There is also the full truth, the full picture.
	It's not so black and white.
	There is some gray areas and there is also different groups that are operating.
	Like you just said earlier, when it comes to Ukraine, it becomes then a war that has various interests and various bands, gangs of the New World Order.
	And they really act like mobsters.
	Watch the way Joe Biden acted like a mobster.
	And the same can be said, of course, for Vladimir Putin or for Zelensky.
	These people are all mobsters in the end.
	So to actually bring them on a pedestal and say, oh, well, I follow him because he is in the ethical and moral, you know, he has the ethical and moral authority while the others don't have.
	Well, I mean, no, it doesn't work that way.
	Well, to that point, but let's go deeper and unpack this.
	Obama, the Clintons, the Bushes, all of these puppet leaders, as you said, are mobsters.
	I would just call them murderers, right?
	Because more and more just comes out by the day and, you know, everybody that ever is associated with them mysteriously drowns or kills themselves.
	I mean, the thing with Obama's chef the other day, right?
	Like, that's all over the news right now and nobody talks about it, but the guy was like this expert swimmer.
	And he supposedly drowned in a paddleboard.
	In fact, that story is very bizarre, but, you know, I mean, it's bizarre as Michelle Obama's sexuality is bizarre, as Obama's sexuality, which was confirmed to be prone to homosexuality by his biographer.
	That's absolutely true.
	That's absolutely true.
	And I have actually inside stories, which I won't share on this because I don't want this podcast to get deleted.
	I'll share with you Alphaera.
	It's insane.
	It's an insane story.
	And, you know, this was told to me in 2006.
	Before anybody even knew who he was.
	But yeah, but but that's the thing, Leo, like, you know, I want to ask you this question.
	You're the person, you know, as a former occultist and really, truly a deep Illuminati member to know, like, who are the Klaus Schwab's?
	Who are they meeting with?
	Like, are they meeting with beings that are interdimensional?
	One, Klaus Schwab, and I guess he aims to be the head of this fourth Reich, a little bit like I depict in Volume 7.
	And again, in Volume 9, I explain his importance in redefining also a use of all our modern technology, because you have to understand that they don't really want to have many Klaus Schwabs.
	Right.
	They don't want to have many Davosists.
	They have one Davos.
	They have one, you know, the World Economic Forum.
	They have one Club of Rome.
	They have one Bilderberg.
	They are all compartmentalized, but they are all part of this new world disorder.
	And they all work together and collaborate along with the plan.
	And the plan is to eliminate part of humanity now that they have, you know, the robots available.
	They don't need us anymore.
	And they can also continue their life in a very exclusive way while we are forced to eat bugs, eat the bugs.
	But what is your question?
	When someone like him meets, who are they?
	I mean, again, it's a supposition question.
	It's your opinion, but are they?
	Do these people meet with interdimensional fallen angel-type beings?
	Very good question.
	Very good question that needs to have a very precise and concise answer.
	When I divide the New World Order, as you see, I always divide it with two factions, the Jesuits and the Sabbatean Francists.
	I always divide this and I explain their role, the Sabbatean Frankies, within the economic setup and also, of course, I explain in Volume 8 the fact that they're involved in the show business.
	And then you have, of course, the Jesuits who are involved in the creation of the One World Religion and they are the experts of the occult.
	Of course.
	It's not the person like Klaus Schwab who actually tends to deal with sociopolitical issues at a geopolitical level, who actually connect with these entities, but it's rather the Jesuits.
	He doesn't go that... I mean, and then he invited the Red Bishop Kamara, so-called Red Bishop, who had made a pact of the catacombs in December 1965.
	To Davos.
	So, it's like the business side of things deals with their own materialistic realm.
	They leave the connection with the other realm to other people.
	However, like I explained in Volume 9 of My Confessions, then we have the whole subject of reverse engineering.
	Right.
	Which is, though, something that is done in a top secret kind of environment.
	It's something that is of course dangerous for human beings because eventually everything that we are using through this reverse engineering means that it's a Trojan horse that's been put in our hands with a specific aim, which is to cage us in this digital gulag.
	So, the Klaus Schwabs of the world rarely go to the extent of doing evocations of some entity, because in their own compartmentalized world, they take control of certain things rather than others.
	But now things are, of course, Coming all together, because the moment in which you have a reality like quantum computing, that is basically literally connecting with the invisible world, that they have reverse engineered all this, and that basically this multi-dimensional... The invisible masters, as you called them.
	Yes, as I called also in that book, Invisible Master.
	Well, at that point, then the situation is a little bit different, but remember, The actual contact that is done with these entities, just like I said in The Invisible Master, is between the religious leaders and the leaders, the spiritual, between brackets, the leaders of Freemasonry, for example, or many other secret societies.
	But those people do it at times very much in secret, and then when it comes down to The Theosophical Society.
	Then they filter down through organizations in the United Nations their ideas, and they tell them, you have to do this, you have to do that.
	Then they gather, like I explained in Volume 9 of My Confessions, their egregore, thanks to this giant magnet, in the meditation room of the United Nations, and that's where the egregore resides.
	But the actual United Nations, like I explained in Volume 9, came together with a big involvement by the Theosophical Society, later on also by the Lucius Trust.
	Yeah, so do you think the egregore is like a demonic-looking being, like if you would actually see it materialize in third-dimensional reality?
	No, the egregore in itself is not necessarily good or bad.
	It's the events who put together the fourth form and feeds this entity.
	You know, because we could call The egregore of a church, then something positive if the members of the church are gathering together to pray towards God and they're feeding an angelic egregore in that case, something divine egregore.
	But the people who are in a satanic context, who are, for example, in the meditation room of the United Nations or in a Masonic lodge, which is which maybe has the presence of some evil individuals, then that egregore becomes, of course, polluted, becomes vampiric.
	Then the egregore can live even a life of its own.
	Right, exactly.
	And if you say it can materialize in a being, Well, the thing is that at times there are entities that intercept and work with these aggregates to absorb the energy.
	And they feed these entities deliberately, like they feel the moloch through human sacrifice, child sacrifices.
	And then, of course, that is also their power.
	That's why it's very important also to realize that even if we are in a modern world, where you have the Klaus Schwab looking all cool and all the people, but those people then on the side know about the multidimensionality, about the but those people then on the side know about the multidimensionality, And so what do they do?
	They tend to have their own shaman, their own witch doctor, their own occultist of reference who will do the dirty deeds of contact for them or whatever.
	That's right.
	You know, when, when they require some very powerful favor, they will then even indulge in animal, even human sacrifice.
	And that's, it's funny you say that cause we were talking about Oprah off air, but you know, Oprah has John of God.
	Yes, yes.
	And I think that, like I said in Volume 8 of My Confessions when it comes out to Oprah Winfrey, Probably that connection ruined for her even the possibility of ever getting anywhere near politics because she's, her stench of compromise is way too big and I think that it's also what we see recently now with the fact that she has a thousand acres in Maui and everything.
	Incredible.
	These people are people that are corrupted but also that see And what does the elite want to do?
	I explained in Volume 9, as you know, it's very important, their golden age, because their idea of a golden age is that basically it's the old Atlantean idea, the golden age, you know, we will reach a new golden age.
	And they want to reach it through the AI that in their eyes will make them immortal.
	Right.
	Either through... Singularity.
	Yep.
	Either through nanotechnology inserted in your body that will bring us to immortality by destroying our cancerous cells and all kinds of things.
	Or otherwise, even through mind upload, mind transfer.
	Right.
	Mind transfer.
	Conscious transfer.
	You talk about conscious transfer.
	It's already happened.
	Yes.
	Literally already happened.
	Yes.
	And there is some rich people that are already indulging in all these possibilities, especially when they reach a certain age, you know, like cryonics and having their body frozen.
	But then what did they do with their mind?
	They uploaded onto an AI Do they become part of the quantum computing reality, which will also start the digital divide?
	Because when we will, and this is, as you know, one of the topics in my new book, when you have a computer that costs millions of dollars, that can only be cooled by helium, and it's only in the hands of billionaires.
	Right.
	Well, those people have an immense power, especially when When this computing power can break into your blockchain in a second and can destroy your whole cryptonauts.
	No, there's no cryptography that it can withstand.
	It'll knock through anything in seconds.
	Yes, but that is a warning that we need to make now to all the people who in the last few years have indulged in any way in cryptocurrency thinking that, you know, it would be safe.
	You know, these days they say, well, it's actually safer than CBDC, you know, the central digital banking system that is coming together.
	No, there is nothing safe.
	It's crazy.
	It's literally crazy.
	When they tell me that I laugh, whenever I hear them tell me that, you know, and I'm not going to be, I, you know, I've been open about this, you know, I've invested in cryptocurrency as a hedge, right?
	For fiat going down.
	I mean, I've, I've played the game, but I mean, give me a break.
	If you don't think that the same, You know, if you if you have invested, I would say that the next few years is the moment to disinvest.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, I personally myself, I stopped investing in crypto three years ago.
	Yeah.
	When the various governments, including the US government, starting the idea that they should all be taxed in any way, it wasn't anymore the free form of currency that you have the once upon a time.
	So there was no point in continuing.
	No.
	now.
	I look at it as a honeypot.
	They're marking the people that have massive volumes or pools of it and they're going to just go after them at some point and say, you owe us all this money in taxes because you never paid taxes.
	Because a lot of these people, as you know, Leo, they're not even paying taxes.
	They just live off the grid.
	Yeah.
	They have the crazy idea that the crypto business...
	I never really...
	I could have had the possibility of investing 10 years ago in crypto and And I refused it 10 years ago.
	Me too.
	And maybe I could have made Really a lot of money, because, you know, when they give you crypto for five dollars each, I mean, then, of course, you see what it's worth now.
	Right.
	I'm going to become a millionaire.
	But I refused it because there was something that just didn't... I don't know, it didn't... At the time, I was connected to these people in the pirate party that started in Sweden.
	They were all kind of, you know, People are involved with the Internet and technology and stuff, and they made me this offer, but I refused it.
	And then later on, maybe around 2018-19, we just had the idea of investing a few thousand just to see how it goes.
	And then, you know, because of a relative who gave us some, you know, we said, OK, let's have a laugh and invest a little bit.
	But immediately after, We saw that the whole thing was... It's a manipulation.
	It's a giant manipulation.
	It's a giant manipulation and it wasn't worth the effort.
	I mean, look, I'll tell you this.
	This is my opinion, but I mean, I think it'll eventually be proven true.
	I think it was started by the alphabet agencies.
	Literally.
	It's possible because the whole starting of it, as you know, is surrounded in myth with this Japanese guy and the whole story starts with him.
	There is something wrong about it and I remember when they asked my opinion, I was at InfoWars, I remember doing a show there and they asked my opinion.
	I said maybe a few years ago it could have been A good investment, but now I don't see it anymore.
	No, no, no.
	I don't see it anymore like that.
	And I think that it is another way of simply caging people.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Which in the end will put them in total control of you.
	So the moment in which you think in the wrong way, well, don't think that way because, you know, immediately you will have to It's like your pocket, you know, you have money in your pocket.
	Exactly.
	That's what I've always said that Leo is like, why would they be taking away paper currency unless it wasn't ultimately because they can't control the influx and outflux of paper currency like they can control digital currency.
	And as you know, they can just cut you off.
	And then you are basically in the hands of this system.
	They already started to do that in a way, with the banking cartel and with all the various cards that they could switch on and off.
	Tell you, okay, you're not any longer on the Visa, on the MasterCard or whatever.
	But it's going to be increasingly like this.
	So in the end, I think that only gold can be a long time kind of commodity that you can keep.
	But everything else is a little bit...
	The only problem with precious assets or currency assets like gold or silver is carrying them around.
	They're so heavy.
	What are you going to do?
	Like if you're going into the mountains, you know, it's like, what are you going to do?
	Put it in a wheelbarrow and just push it.
	I mean, I'm with you, but I don't know.
	It's we're in very interesting times.
	I do want to ask you, because we were talking off air.
	You know, today's August 24th and there's already now all sorts of threats of, you know, Alex Jones, who's friends of both of us, you know, is already saying that he's been told by Homeland Security and DHS members that they've already been given marching orders that they're going to shut everything down.
	Do you, you know, and again, estimate is end of September into October.
	I have friends who have also been told by various government agencies.
	I mean, Leo, there's stuff going around on the internet right now where Target and Walmart are already building giant drop-off centers in their parking lots all across the country.
	So you know they always know.
	The corporations are behind all of this AI cyber Satan.
	But do you think, and it's an opinion question, Is this our time when they do this bullshit again to stand up and say no and to not comply?
	I mean, do you recommend people do that at this point?
	Because that's where it's going to, right?
	Masks on planes?
	Absolutely!
	We never complied from the start with all these mandates and stuff.
	I mean, especially here in the US, we were capable of avoiding a lot of the Oppression, which instead was impossible to avoid in countries like Italy, where you had to actually write where you were going during the, you know, that was insane.
	That is literally insane.
	Or you had to show this vaccine passport everywhere.
	I mean, even here in the U.S.
	you had to, but here in the U.S.
	a lot of them were fake, were forged, where people were just, you know, saying, okay, yeah, don't worry.
	And let me do your restaurant, but instead in Europe it was all already digital.
	It was all connected.
	Yeah, there was no way it was all QR codes, right?
	QR codes, phone stuff, and you couldn't get out of that matrix.
	It was already So, I hope that sincerely there will be resistance.
	There has to be.
	Resistance has to be at the global level.
	Yes, yes.
	And unfortunately there is Other countries that don't have weapons, don't have the possibility of defending themselves against the tyranny of their governments.
	And so that's something we need to address.
	But having said that, I think that if they do something like this, they do it mainly because of the next elections.
	They want people to go back into that whole mode in which, you know, and then at that point, boom, out of, you know, just like a rabbit out of the magicians, you have again, Joe Biden.
	That's an old habit.
	There's no way, Leo, the American public is going to fall for that bullshit again.
	I mean, look, I'll just say it right now.
	I mean, and my listeners and my audience knows, like, I feel that if that attempt, if they attempt to do that again, we're going into a revolution in the United States.
	But that is one of the possibilities which I've been talking about for years now.
	I hope that at least I can become American before all this happens, because I'm getting my American citizenship by the end of the year.
	That's awesome, man.
	Good for you.
	Very lucky because I was the last person to receive a green card without having to do this terrible vaccine.
	So I was pretty lucky on that one.
	But having said that, if it happens again, of course, we don't have to comply.
	But then at that point, we really have to demand ourselves, what is the next thing that we have to do?
	The next thing that we have to do is to construct, just like I suggested from Volume 7 of Dragon Passions, with the great reject, an alternative community.
	And in this alternative community, then we...
	I'm pretty sure, like I said other times, that the cities are no longer safe.
	So it is important to move as far away as you can from the big cities because either they are Democrat-controlled or Republican-controlled or major cities at the moment seem to be going in the wrong direction.
	Apart from the fact that there is no Republican-controlled city, because all major cities are controlled by, sorry, any Republican-controlled city, because all Democrats are ruling the cities.
	And they're ruling the cities because the cities are the hubs for the smart world of the future that they are constructing, whereby They will leave the useless cast like us, the deplorables, like Hillary called us, living in the outskirts.
	Well, they will go perfectioning this controlling model within the environment of the cities.
	So, they will continue and increase their Orwellian nightmare within the cities.
	But then it depends from us.
	Are we going to be depending still from the cities?
	At one point we will have to go, and when I say I'll go off the grid, there will be a moment in which we will not be able to interact, even be present in there.
	That's exactly right.
	They will require you to vaccinate as soon as you go to a major city, you have a series of requirements, then you have facial control, everything.
	So how are you going to escape that?
	I mean, no, no one's going to.
	I mean, and that's why I keep saying like, you know, all the people that are still living in the major blue check cities like Los Angeles and New York City and San Francisco and all these places, like they're fucked.
	I mean, to be honest, what are you going to do?
	And like I showed in my book, it's like a Faustinian bargain that has been made by these people for implementing this scientific or technological society.
	And there is the crazy figures that they have chose as the digital country of the future, Ukraine.
	Ukraine is going to be the country of the future.
	That's a good coincidence, right?
	Yeah, no.
	But it's going to become the country of the future in the digital world or in the metaverse, but it's not going to exist anymore in the real world.
	That's the truth.
	Because once it's bombed, a nuclear bomb, that country is finished.
	Because that country relies only on agriculture, that is their main thing.
	And of course, they want to get back to the Donbass areas because there is also precious minerals and stuff like that.
	But their main scope of the economy of Ukraine is all on grain, fertilizers.
	This is what they produce.
	They produce stuff that once you drop a nuclear bomb or you get Zaporizia nuclear plant to explode, well, that's it.
	It's finito.
	So they are, of course, they have, like I explained in my book, they have created this digital country.
	And it's quite crazy how they have done it now with this app that they started before even the beginning of the military operation from Vladimir Putin in 2022.
	They started this in 2020 with the D app, which means that everything you have, money, documents, everything is in one app.
	And the Ukrainian citizens, Basically go around without any documents apart from the smartphones.
	And they have a minister that is in charge of this digital evolution, this guy who is basically in charge of developing this whole thing, which is the Minister of Digital Transformation, a guy called Michael Federoff.
	And they are basically developing the idea Literally insane.
	I mean, look, I think it's obvious.
	Let's just be, I mean, let's just be honest.
	And they can bring maybe Silicon Valley and everybody else to move over there in Ukraine once the war is successfully won by then.
	Which is insane and never going to happen.
	Literally insane.
	I mean, look, I think it's obvious.
	Let's just be honest.
	This whole Ukraine bullshit that, as you know, and you talked about in Chapter 8, started immediately to end the COVID nonsense.
	Like it went from the COVID nonsense to the Ukraine nonsense.
	And now, knowing what we know about the digital country or the first digital country, that's the whole impetus of this.
	They created that as a sleight of hand, again, the Trojan horse, to create the digital country as the footprint for the rest.
	That's what they did.
	Yeah.
	It's like they – They created this monstrosity, this digital country monstrosity, but they are proud of it because they think, you know, Davos has called them the digital tiger and they are proud of it.
	They are proud of being the digital tiger.
	Well, instead, the reality is that these people are actually enslaved, imprisoned by a digital grid.
	They will never behave.
	I mean, people at the moment who are in Ukraine, first of all, we have seen also the limits of this country now with the corruption in the enrolling the In the enrollment, there's been a lot of arrests recently with people who were the proscripts who went to these offices and instead of going to work, they will end up paying and managing to get out of the country.
	Because if you're a man from, you know, from 18 to 60, you can't exit Ukraine at the moment.
	You are trapped literally in that country and you have to fight for your country.
	It's unbelievable.
	It's like a prison.
	These people are forced to fight by a system which is corrupt.
	I don't understand how the Ukrainians can take this nonsense.
	But they have been brainwashed so much.
	And from 2014, in my book I show that basically in 2014 the revolution of dignity was the product of a Masonic revolution that started in the 1990s when the first Freemasons were made in Ukraine by an Italian Grandmaster who then became the Grandmaster of the Illuminati, Giuliano Di Bernardo.
	I even show, you know, with the documentation that this has been going on and how the actual Ukrainian elite was built.
	Yeah.
	There is the city of Odessa, for example, which is the city where the Grandmaster of the Ukrainian Freemasons resides.
	Has this city been invaded by Russia yet?
	No.
	Of course not.
	It's a coincidence.
	It's a coincidence.
	Just like Oprah's houses weren't bombed in Maui.
	Okay, sometimes they send them some, you know, they send them some missiles or something, but nobody really understands how it's possible that a place like Odessa, which technically it's on the sea, which is at the moment patrolled by the Russian Navy.
	Odessa, which, by the way, could be actually taken very easily because behind Odessa, if you go on the on the west, well, you have also Moldova and you have Transnistria, which is already occupied by Russian forces.
	So it will not take that much to really arrive and take all this.
	But like we said, nothing happens because that's how it is.
	It's the miracles of war and of Freemasonry being so powerful in that city.
	So I wanted to explain to people also who were the architects of this whole war with Russia and what went behind the scenes, what goes on behind the scenes also in Russia, where you have Freemasonry That works with the Russian state.
	Recently, when it was in June, the Russian Grandmaster was, I think in June or July, he was in Brazil, which is one of the countries of BRICS.
	Right.
	The Russian Grandmaster was recently at that meeting they did in St.
	Petersburg with all the African countries.
	And he was present there, Bogdanov, the Russian Grandmaster.
	So, I mean, they work hand-in-hand, Russian Freemasonry, with Vladimir Putin, and there is no problem.
	At the same time, of course, the Ukrainian Grandmaster has said that they don't recognize it, that they have, you know, some squabbles between each other and all that.
	But aside from all these squabbles in the outside world, then behind the scenes, in the end, these billionaires, they all agree
	on wanting to create a elite that survives the next decades while the majority of people are led into ruins and have to survive into the ruins of this society, or either they have to survive with all the compromises of the new generations, because the new generations, the millennials, are the ones that are brainwashed already, and they have, like you said earlier, the mobile phones always in their hands, and they are always basically
	They don't watch the outside world with the same eyes anymore.
	And soon they will be probably caged into virtual reality or augmented glasses.
	And so they will be completely viewing the reality through the AI.
	The AI in the meantime is being fed by social networks like TikTok, which apart from the fact that they bring down your mental level, because if you start watching TikTok, you become demented.
	No, but TikTok is the produce.
	Like yesterday, yesterday evening, the most incredible thing happened.
	There was, as you know, the presidential candidates for the GOP, no?
	And at one point there was a pause for the breaks, a publicity break on with the usual ads.
	And there was the ad of TikTok.
	Yeah, of course.
	Fox News.
	These people, up until a minute before, they were talking against China and all the various presidential candidates.
	No China this, China that.
	And then after you have the ad with TikTok.
	Yeah, it's all lies.
	It's complete BS.
	Like you said, it's one giant Trojan horse.
	They control both sides.
	Are you watching this?
	They're showing an ad of TikTok on the Fox News.
	TikTok was supposed to be banned a few months ago.
	You know, first it was Trump who wanted to ban it.
	Right.
	And nothing happened.
	Then a few months ago, everybody started banning TikTok.
	What happened?
	It's still there.
	Nobody has done anything.
	No, no.
	And the same thing can be said also when it comes to China.
	You know, China is He's of course interested in invading Taiwan, in supporting Russia, but there will be, and he's of course invading our country with fentanyl, which is given to the Mexican cartels, but nothing happens.
	There is a lot of talk, a lot of talk.
	And so the common person thinks there is almost no possibility of fighting this system.
	There is almost no... But instead, you know, unity means strength.
	And people who are like-minded like us, if we were really aware of things, and we are now, then we need to act, and we need to act fast to protect our interests and our future generations that, of course, Need to be also protected by all this.
	So, first of all, we can't send our children to schools or universities that are not connected with the system.
	No, no.
	They're all indoctrination centers.
	Yeah, indoctrination centers!
	And nothing good comes out of it.
	In my latest book, as you know, I also, for the first time, expose also how these people have used Jesus And his teachings are at their advantage, and they have also polluted them with their so-called Gnosticism.
	It's insane.
	Insane.
	And people don't understand how dangerous that is.
	But in reality, even their, you know, all their occult practices are all connected to these Gnostics.
	Yeah.
	But even Leo, as you said in the book, in the biggest chapter, you even argued that The true Gnostic teachings were also polluted.
	They've polluted everything.
	We don't even know what is what.
	Everything is so polluted and inverted.
	It's insane.
	It's impossible to find out what is even real.
	Yeah, yeah.
	In fact, in Chapter 5 of my confession, I really took three characters.
	One is Adam Beischap, who is the Grandmaster of the Illuminati.
	Albert Pike, who is the great reformer of the Scottish right, and then John Yarker, who was also the guy who kind of hold together the ancient and primitive right of Memphis and Minsterheim.
	These three figures that might not be so well known by the outside world, they have played a very important role in the Illuminati and in secret societies that we commonly refer to as the Illuminati and in Freemasonry.
	And what they did was, since the time of Adam Bezshar, Bezshar was the guy who everybody remembers because, of course, of the conspiracy rule, because he instigated conspiracy against governments, sabotaging, where possible, monarchies, absolute monarchies, or religions, wanting to destroy religions.
	And okay, we know all that.
	But we don't know that he was actually, in secret, claiming that he was promoting real Christianity and that, you know, that's insane.
	And that, you know, he had the real teachings of Jesus and that you had to listen to what the Illuminati were teaching in their lodges to have the real teachings of Jesus.
	It's unreal.
	Then adopted by the rest of Freemasonry.
	In fact, Albert Pike makes a similar assertion.
	These people have claimed, and Freemasonry, as you know, is one of the most influential still institutions, even if they might not be as influential as they used to, because now there is a lot of think tanks, places like Davos, that might be more fashionable and more exclusive, or secret societies like the Skull and Bones and others.
	But the thing is that in Freemasonry, they basically teach in certain, like the instructions of Albert Pike and in many rights, they teach that basically they are the ones who hold the keys to the real secrets of Jesus.
	And that is really a lie of immense proportions that they are pushing.
	So then, you know, by pushing all this stuff in the end, with all these Gnostices, what do we learn?
	What is the ultimate aim of the Gnostics?
	And we learn that ultimately that aim is to become God.
	Right, right.
	Which is not a very Christian thing.
	No, no.
	Okay, we might want to embrace Jesus and be living in his light, drawn by his inspiration constantly, and of course we would like to have God in our life constantly, but it doesn't mean that we are gods.
	It doesn't mean that I wake up tomorrow morning And I have the power of life and death on all creatures, and I can decide the future for everybody else.
	But that's what they believe.
	So their idea for the elite is to become these gods on Earth.
	Yeah.
	Almost like the philosopher kings.
	Right.
	Basically immortal beings, you know, merged with AI.
	Yeah.
	Transhumanist cyborgs.
	That's what they want.
	that can enslave the rest of humanity and gradually eliminate it, because it's not only about enslaving, this is important, people need to understand, it's not really only about enslaving, but it's about also eliminating them.
	That's exactly right.
	Yes, it's about, like you know, Ari, we give you, for the moment, to the useless class, computer video games and drugs.
	It's a useless class, right?
	You'll have bugs and you'll be happy.
	You'll be happy and at the same time you play video games and do drugs and you're happy too.
	This is unfortunate because a lot of people these days tend to fall for this kind of thing and they end up living their life like bums.
	Wake up in the morning and go That's the part of the show, right?
	They want them hooked into the metaverse, getting $1,500 a month in basic income and not having to work.
	Well, because, you know, they think that the universal basic income will be the way to at least avoid the revolution.
	So you see, the universal basic income is something that at the moment is being proposed and is being pushed in many countries.
	In the world, simply because they say, oh, well, you know, with the advent of robotics and AI, we will have to rediscuss the whole involvement of human beings in the working places.
	It's insanity, Leo.
	It's complete insanity.
	more and more until at one point the robots would say, we have taken over the show.
	It's insanity, Leo.
	It's complete insanity.
	And the fact that more people don't see this, although I do think, we talked about this on our last podcast, There are more people waking up and obviously your book helps people wake up.
	I mean, they have to read it.
	I mean, you know, but it's, but, but it's honest.
	Well, let me just, let me, let me throw up your website real quick here.
	And then I really, my really final question for you is what's next for you.
	Are you writing part 10?
	I mean, can you just keep writing these or at some point do you think that there's nothing left to write?
	You've, you've unriddled it, unhacked the codes.
	No, I think that it is important that to write you have to have the inspiration of God.
	Now, Volume 9 in particular is the first book that I actually dedicate to God.
	And so I felt almost like a sense of responsibility putting together this book in a certain way.
	So it could be understood by everybody.
	It can be also a way of building maybe a better future for many people.
	I did also write the other books of course by inspiration, so it all depends from the inspiration that you get.
	Now my focus is to write a book for 2024 and for the presidential game that we are about to To all witness, I think that would be a good idea.
	But having said that, you know, God at times just, you know, comes to me.
	That's inspiration.
	And in this person says, you know, you need to follow that track and you need to.
	And then I start.
	And I hope that God blesses me with much more inspiration because I feel like my mission is to somehow enlighten people and bring them this knowledge that I was lucky enough to have received.
	Now, as you know, my past experience in these secret societies that we commonly call the Illuminati, Infirmation, and everything has put me in a position that I can't be told any BS anymore.
	I mean, you know, when I put on, at times, you know, my wife says, but why do you watch, for example, the news on NBC or the news, you know, Lester Holt or whatever?
	I watch this kind of news by the enemy because I watch it with a critical view.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	You got to observe.
	And I immediately understand what they're pushing here.
	And I think it's hilarious.
	Unfortunately, then, you know, or CNN, the same can be watched.
	But I mean, it's just like, It's like Trump yesterday, when he was interviewed by Tiger Carlson, he said, you know, MSNBC is almost unwatchable.
	And it is almost unwatchable.
	But I'm sure that he does like me, watch it at times, simply because it gives him an idea of what these people are really pushing.
	At least for my experience at the moment, the first time that I see really America being led astray in a way that might push us toward a civil war.
	I think it's inevitable.
	I don't think, I think that the sheep will comply and the people like us will not comply.
	And, you know, let's face it, they have driven us to this undivided This is what they want.
	They want internal strife because the internal strife will allow them to implement whatever it is they're going to do with their digital, like you call it, gulag.
	Their digital currency, their digital reset, whatever it is where, you know, everybody is now on a social credit system, a score system.
	They don't have, you know, people like me and you making money in different ways.
	That's what they want.
	So to me, it's ultimately coming down to that, which is what we think we're making a stand, but it's like they're laughing behind closed doors saying, yeah, go ahead and make your stand and we're going to finally shut the door on your asses.
	Yeah, they can eventually shut the door, but there is also, and this I keep on repeating during all my books, the fact that we were promised, in any case, a different outcome 2,000 years ago.
	That's right.
	We see that the Mark of the Beast is coming.
	We see that all the evil that was predicted was coming, especially us Christians from the Book of Revelation, everything is materializing in front of us.
	But we also know that around the corner there is the possibility of the return of the Messiah, of Jesus, the arrival of the Messiah for the Jews because they never accepted him the first time.
	This whole thing will eventually have a positive outcome for those people who are, though, So, triple vaxxed, quadruple vaxxed, ten times vaxxed, you're done?
	everything for their beliefs because there is not going to be any jumping on the bandwagon no once you are basically microchipped or you are in any way triple vax quadruple vaxed 10 times vax you're done you're done you're done and at that point what are you going to do i mean at that point nothing nothing So eat bugs and like it.
	Yeah.
	And that's it.
	So we, instead, you know, I might die doing what I like.
	I'm the same way.
	You have to be willing to die.
	You have to be willing to die.
	You have to be willing to really Give the ultimate sacrifice for your ideal.
	And this is a concept that for modern man, it was a concept that was actually quite familiar to the founding fathers.
	That's right.
	Who fought the revolution, who fought the wars to give us what we have today.
	But it's not familiar to the modern man who lives, you know, on TikTok.
	Compromises, TikTok.
	Okay, we have the Super Bowl.
	Uber Eats and what's the other one?
	DoorDash.
	It's all okay as long as we can just carry on this way of life that is becoming more and more, of course, compromised.
	Yes.
	And I just hope that more people wake up.
	But having said that, there is also the demonstration from the pandemic that most people don't wake up and that most people are led to do mistakes over and over again.
	Yeah, they're led to, it's like leading, they're led to the slaughter.
	Yeah, I mean, you're right.
	I mean, I mean, you know, if they shut us down again here in the next couple of months, you're either going to comply or you're not going to comply.
	It's not a novelty.
	It's not a novelty.
	People have to understand now that they have to detach from the immediate events that are, because events like this, suppose new lockdowns, might occur more and more in the future, more and more.
	So what are you going to do?
	You're going to focus every time on a single event and say, Oh, okay.
	No, you have to think about it.
	Like, okay, the system is doing what they said they will be doing.
	We will be doing what we are going to be doing, which is an alternative.
	That's right, which is not connected to the system.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So you're right.
	It's going to be communities that will form either in the mountains or in the wilderness or in the swamps or somewhere off the smart city grids.
	And we'll all be together.
	And, you know, it's true, you know, like minds will find each other.
	And, you know, hopefully, as you said, Yeshua, Jesus... Because, you see, the concept of egregore that you mentioned earlier can be adopted also for the people who have positive intentions and create a positive egregore.
	You know, just like the prayers of a church create a positive egregore.
	And we need to do that by praying for our future and the future of our families, but also connecting with other people who maybe have different know-hows from us.
	You know, they will be the doctor, they will be the engineer, in a community there will be people doing all kinds of jobs.
	But that was really the idea that we had with the late Jordan Maxwell before he died and before he passed away.
	He wanted to put together a community of that kind.
	And it's sad that he went away too soon, but the idea is the right idea.
	Yeah.
	And honestly, Leo, you know, we can talk off air.
	There are already people putting these communities together.
	You know, the guys in, I forget right now in California, Their name escapes me, it doesn't matter, but there are groups right now putting these communities together because they see what you see and what I see and what we know is coming.
	So, yeah, we just have to line them up.
	Well, listen, man, I really, truly appreciate you coming on the podcast today.
	As always, it's been another profound show.
	So for all you ladies and gentlemen who support, obviously, the Jay Campbell Podcast, support the amazing individuals.
	Leo is now, I think, the first guy who's been on the Jay Campbell Podcast four times.
	It's my honor and I hope that I will be able to bring you more to the discussion the next time.
	Exactly.
	I go back to what the alchemist used to call your athanor, your alchemical kind of, you are shaping yourself inside what is basically almost like an oven.
	You are cooking something, no?
	And I think at the moment, first of all, we have to think about our connection with God, we have to think about our family's connection with God, and how We are going to say no to all this imposition and to keep also always a watchful eye on the younger people, who seem to be the weaker ones, who seem to be complying way too much these days.
	It's crazy.
	Our generation, Jay, seems to be a little bit maybe more aware.
	We are.
	I say that every day.
	I say I feel like Generation X is like the was was the first when we arrived on the scene we were the ones that were resistant and also aware and it seems like the boomers they're so brainwashed by television and then the young people are so brainwashed by the internet that they're they're they're compliant they're compliant Yeah, we were in that in-between kind of thing, you know, where the TV was almost fading, their enormous influence from the 50s.
	And then at the same time, the internet was only starting.
	So, you know, we kind of got the start of it, but we didn't, you know, think it might become the only, you know, nowadays for them is a way of life to just get up and go online.
	That's literally, exactly.
	And the old people, as you know, they just sit there with the TV on all day and go to bed with the TV on at night.
	So maybe our generation, our Generation X, as they call it, or whatever you want to call it.
	But I mean, in any case, we might have a role, because a lot of people are being critical about our generation.
	We were not, you know, born in the war.
	We didn't witness all the hardships of the post-war period.
	So a lot of times people said, well, you were lucky.
	You know, you grew up.
	I mean, I was actually lucky.
	I mean, growing in the 70s and 80s and becoming successful when I was a record producer in the 90s and stuff, and I was doing, it was great.
	But at the same time, when I was in the 90s, because I was initiated in 1993, as you know, in the Illuminati of the New World Order and in Freemason, I started to see things differently.
	And I started to go around the people of my country of my generation to tell them the dangers.
	They didn't want to listen.
	Yeah.
	So now I think they're realizing.
	They are.
	We don't have all that time for the younger people to realize this in 20 or 30 years.
	It will be too late because you will be at that point with the cyber knocking on your door or robot and you will be simply forced into compliance by this system.
	So that is embracing technology as the supreme God.
	Thank you so much for having me on, Jay, as usual.
	I, of course, invite all our viewers to go to my website leozegami.com for all my latest articles, for the links to all my latest books, or just go on Amazon and you can get Confessions of an Illuminati Volume 9, which is, I think, at the moment, my most important book.
	Yeah, I've read all of your books.
	I think of maybe a couple of the early ones I didn't, but I've read at least eight of your books.
	Actually, I think I've read pretty much all of them.
	I have them all over my closet.
	I mean, in my, I can't call this a bookcase.
	Jesus, my mind is melted.
	But again, Leo, I love and appreciate you.
	Thank you for coming on.
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