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April 20, 2025 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 61: CONSERVATIVE OASIS

This week we explore the story of one young woman, picked to host a show...broadcast live to the Rumble audience...as well as what happend when her parents stopped being police, and started pushing their daughter into commentary she's ill equipt to handle. Like what we're doing? Want MORE for FREE? Join the Shrug Club at http://patreon.com/shrugclub Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an AudioWool original.
	AudioWool original.
	People made fun of me.
	Welcome, welcome.
	Welcome, welcome to the lineup, Lampoonery, a show within the show, Louder Than Crowder.
	I'm your host, from Occupied Texas, Jared!
	Alongside my brothers and bonking bozos, from under that big, big sky, we've got Byron.
	Hi. We've got Dennis.
	Hey man.
	How you boys doing?
	Really good.
	Hi, I like the energy.
	Yeah, I was wondering how long you can keep that energy up.
	Oh, it's going to go for the next three hours.
	We have that announcer guy from The Fights.
	The Fights?
	The Fights.
	He's the guy from The Fights.
	Oh, right.
	We can.
	Light up, Lampoonery!
	Yeah, we're talking.
	Very cool.
	Jared, thanks for stepping in.
	Howdy, howdy.
	I'm really excited.
	Yeah, I'm over here writing some notes, getting some things taken down so that we can help take down those notes.
	I don't know.
	The notes being the lineup, yes.
	Taking down the notes.
	Taking down the notes so that we can take down those notes.
	Okay. I'm done with it.
	Yeah, how's Oklahoma?
	It was good, actually.
	Yeah, I took a real big boy vacation.
	They gave me a huge truck.
	How big?
	A Dodge 2,500.
	How many horsepower?
	I have no idea.
	You didn't measure it?
	The horsepower?
	The HP?
	You didn't measure it?
	No, I did drive alongside some livestock, though, on the highway.
	You didn't get a bunch of weights and a bunch of horses.
	Yeah, and race them.
	You should have.
	It was wonderful.
	I landed, and then a tornado warning happened while I was driving in a little bit deeper into the state.
	I think I saw something.
	That I thought might be a little funnel coming down.
	But yeah, it was great.
	I went to the Twister, the movie museum.
	Delightful stuff.
	I stole this piece of rock from the former site of Aunt Meg's house.
	A little brick from her pathway there.
	Cool. I kiss it every day.
	That's awesome.
	I also blessed it.
	There's a spring of water owned by a water company that is supposed to be blessed by...
	Jesus Christ.
	Oh, really?
	All the way in Oklahoma?
	Yeah, uh-huh.
	They have that there.
	Did he walk across it and that's where they're...
	I'm not exactly sure.
	Well, if he blessed the water, then all water is blessed.
	So it shoots out of this pipe.
	There's like young youth groups coming there in buses, filling up water and drinking it.
	There's construction workers filling up big jugs of it.
	My friends and I, they apparently started this tradition where they...
	I washed their head with it, and I thought it was kind of fun.
	Yeah. I'm religious now.
	Okay. So you've been blessed in Oklahoma.
	Yeah. You're driving a 2,500 so lifted you were closer to God.
	I was about two to three feet closer to God.
	Yeah, no, it was great.
	I'm really excited to be back and to be spreading the word of Jesus Christ.
	Praise be to you.
	Of course, the listeners.
	We're a week away from Easter.
	Oh, that's right.
	And for me, happy WrestleMania to all who celebrate.
	Exactly. Ding, ding, ding.
	That's the call to, yeah.
	Not prayer.
	Dennis, you're back on the truck.
	Yeah, the food truck is back and we are kicking.
	I do want to share my story of Oklahoma.
	The last time I was in Oklahoma, I was walking from my sister's house to my other sister's house and I saw somebody throw open the bathroom window of a sketchy motel.
	Jump out the window legs first and run down the alley.
	How do you jump out legs first?
	Get a running start?
	No, but it was high.
	You could see these two legs stick out and they had to shimmy through because they couldn't even sit in the window.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay. Yeah, so they were running from something.
	You guys see the guy who tried to jump through the stool legs first on the internet this week?
	Oh, no.
	I don't know.
	Pretty rough.
	Pretty rough.
	It goes about as good as you thought it would go.
	Anyway. Go ahead.
	No, I'm good, dude.
	I just was...
	I'm bad.
	I want to get back in my heavy-duty 2500 Dodge.
	Yeah, you're thinking about trading in the Honda.
	You should buy one, dude.
	You should trade my Honda Fit Sport.
	Can we get a weight comparison?
	Let's see.
	The weight of the Dodge Ram...
	Towing capacity?
	No, I want weight.
	The total weight of the Dodge Ram...
	$3,000.
	Let's see.
	Versus a Honda Fit.
	Here we go.
	It weighs $2,249 and the Ram weighs $6,001.
	$3,000.
	Two to three could fit in a Dodge Ram.
	This is the content they're tuning in for.
	Absolutely. This is the content we will snip, snip away.
	Theater of the mind, folks.
	Glad to be back with you guys.
	I'm happy to, man.
	Before Byron left, we were discussing a little bit about the launch of our friends over at the Rumble.
	Really good friends.
	And they're doing something called The Lineup.
	You guys remember this?
	Oh, yeah.
	Gaggle of ghouls.
	I do.
	Was The Lineup a Steven Crowder thing?
	No, he's absorbed into The Lineup.
	And we'll talk about more of that next week.
	I was definitely curious if it was like he was the leader of it.
	Oh, he certainly is not.
	He has introduced his episode, Welcome Bongino Army, for the past two weeks.
	Oh, no.
	You're just like, what a pathetic loser.
	No, that's really embarrassing.
	You know, that's what we've discussed this in the past.
	He goes really hard.
	Yeah. Alright, Steven, we see you.
	Here's your 3pm slot on the lineup.
	You're going to have to dismantle your mug club to be here, I suppose, though.
	Fine, in a heartbeat.
	Fuck those guys.
	I hate them.
	They can't even figure out how to find...
	Times Square?
	Only two of them found Times Square.
	Come on.
	Liberal hell, if you ask me.
	And we left that last episode asking the question...
	Who are these new ghouls on the free speech platform rumble?
	Uh huh.
	Crowder, of course.
	Maybe tangentially Russian money receiver Tim Pool.
	Now White House correspondent Tim Pool.
	Well, he's got a slot.
	He doesn't go there himself.
	He has a representative.
	Really? He doesn't leave his home.
	I would go there myself if I was him.
	If he leaves his house, the compound, Antifa will get him.
	They will get him.
	Imagine him.
	Okay, anyways.
	Tim Pool.
	Yeah, good old Tim Pool.
	For sure we know Russell Brandt and Charles Rapist.
	Sexual assault rapist himself Russell Brand and of course Jeremy floor piss Hambly aka the quartering my god.
	I just peed in my basement one quarter cup of piss
	I'm the landlord.
	Me, I own the house.
	Wow. That's cool for him and something fun that he can smell later on in his life.
	But we've got all these new ghouls.
	And they're very new to us.
	We have not really checked these folks out here.
	David Freyheit.
	Is that Free Height?
	No idea.
	He's a Canadian lawyer, and he's a former People's Party of Canada candidate in 2022.
	He had a show called Viva Frey.
	He has described himself as a balance of left and right.
	Which means center to right.
	No one has ever said I'm a centrist and meant they're a centrist ever.
	Well, of course.
	They mean I'm a conservative and I'm afraid to say it.
	I'm not a conservative and I still like HBO Max.
	I have better tastes than most of my friends.
	We'll determine that at some point.
	Yeah, we'll find out.
	We've got Vince Coglianese.
	Coglianese? Coglianese.
	That's how Stephen says it.
	Vince Coglianese.
	And because it's complicated, it's just The Vince Show and The Vince Podcast.
	No way!
	He's The Vince Show, The Vince Podcast.
	This is, yeah, it's too complicated for my...
	I feel like that would be Vince Vaughn.
	Well, he's the most popular Vince.
	Yeah, for sure.
	He's the most popular Vince by far.
	And then there's Vince McMahon, I guess.
	The ShamWow guy.
	Oh, and we haven't thought of him in a while.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He kissed a sex worker on the mouth and she bit his...
	Bottom lip, and we never saw him again.
	No kissing.
	No thank you.
	You're not paying for that, sir.
	Vince Podcast, The Vince Show, he's a daily caller editor.
	They've got these classic Vince guys on their staff over there.
	And just to say also, looking into this, he is as well the IVF conceived child of Adam Carolla and Count Dracula.
	See, that's funny.
	I didn't know that.
	Did you find that out?
	Yeah. I thought it was Count Chocula.
	Maybe we gotta get him like a...
	23andMe. Hit him with some of those genetic tests.
	We need to buy 23andMe just to figure out what this guy's all about.
	It's like 20 bucks.
	Yeah, it's not bad.
	We can become shareholders like overnight.
	Dude, they're filing bankruptcy.
	We could buy it, dude.
	Which, by the way, if you want us to take on 23andMe, you can contribute to us over at patreon.com backslash...
	The Shrug Club.
	Just Shrug Club.
	Shrug Club.
	Or you can just Shrug.club.
	If you want to be...
	I don't know, maybe we can figure out a co-op for 23andMe through our podcast.
	That might be interesting.
	Well, I gotta get that information off the black market because once they figure out what I've done, my fucking twin sister did it and now I'm on the registry?
	Yeah, now everyone's asking you about your connections to Count Dracula.
	Great. Fucking wild.
	Vince is clearly a...
	A vampire.
	Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind.
	He's particularly ghoulish.
	Lastly, though, who the heck is Evita Duffy Alfonso?
	Evita? Evita.
	Evita. Evita.
	Evita Duffy Alfonso.
	No, I don't know.
	I do remember seeing her picture.
	Yes. She's like the opener.
	Yeah. Right?
	She's like the...
	The morning person.
	Top build.
	Well, I don't know if that's how it works.
	Hey, I mean, look at the call sheet.
	If you look at the lineup, Evita's number one, baby.
	9am. She's the local band opening before the opener of the tour?
	Hey, you gotta come out with a bang, and if you're not, then somebody else has to do your job.
	It's like, the opener and the closer are the most important things of this whole thing.
	Set the tone.
	Yeah, that's what's really important.
	And of course, it's Evita.
	That's true.
	And I think Florpis himself, I think.
	Yeah, four to six or something like that.
	He's the drive time guy.
	That makes sense.
	You're going to get to listen to him talk.
	You're in with the four piss.
	You're in the piss.
	But no, Evita, I don't know a damn thing about this person.
	Shocked me to see her face and name.
	Yeah, like, who is this person?
	And apparently, she's been around.
	She's been doing the work.
	So I was kind of interested, and as I started looking into it, I thought to myself, like, well, I think this is going to be the Evita episode.
	I think we just got to find out.
	We're going to lean in.
	So, Evita Duffy.
	Evita Duffy.
	Evita Duffy.
	Evita Duffy Alfonso.
	She's a rising star in the conservative media world.
	Since her college days attending the University of Chicago, Evita's been contributing to The Federalist as a writer and as an on-screen personality.
	She seemed to have gotten The Federalist's attention with a privately funded student-led newspaper called The Chicago Thinker, of which she co-founded.
	A privately funded student paper?
	That's right.
	Because if...
	I mean, someone's dad paid for this 100%.
	That's a thing you can do?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because if you go through the school, then the school has some say.
	And if you privately fund it and just distribute it yourself, you have more availability to say whatever you want.
	So it's like punk rock zines?
	Well, I guess if they're led by students.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Of a specific college.
	Okay. And that would be like a...
	That's an interesting way to put it.
	Yeah, and I guess it's kind of like...
	What side of the politics you're on?
	Could you ever imagine a conservative person like, this is my zine?
	No. Maybe Gutfeld.
	Gutfeld's owning a couple of zines, but I don't know if he's contributing necessarily.
	I feel like if you don't have a wagon for your groceries, you don't get to make zines.
	Great point.
	So Evita's the Chicago thinker.
	I always called it the free thinker.
	No, the Chicago thinker.
	Well, it might have been free to pick up, too.
	Who knows on that one?
	She's with quick hits such as, You Chicago freshman wants the next Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley exiled from elite universities.
	To things like...
	What the office can teach Gen Z about the dignity of work amid a labor crisis.
	Really cool.
	There's a picture of Pam and Jim on there.
	We like those folks.
	My neighbors, Pam and Jim.
	You remember that?
	And they moved to Austin.
	That was really fun.
	Spoilers. Oh, yeah.
	Kyle Rittenhouse and every able-bodied man had a moral obligation to protect Kenosha.
	Shit, I wasn't there.
	Uh-oh.
	We had a moral obligation.
	And also, didn't they republish Waiting Till the Wedding Night, Getting Married the Right Way?
	Is that right?
	They put that out?
	Of course not.
	They should have.
	That was a rule.
	An 18-year-old Crowder contributing to it from the past to the future.
	We'd love to see him pretend to be a teen.
	We like that.
	Yeah, well, he's never been kissed.
	Like, conservative edition?
	He's got his, like, kiss me.
	He goes way too far, though, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	You know he's going.
	He loves a 16-year-old when it's a Disney character.
	There we go.
	And finally, just to say, Avita throwing out such hits, headlines.
	How to romanticize your life, TikTok.
	Trend is a Gen Z rejection of, you guessed it, Postmodernism.
	Just classic, kind of, we don't really have too much to say, so we'll use the talking points of yore, right?
	Exactly. Old hits.
	In a new form.
	In the newspaper, the thinkers aim to counter the perceived ideological homogeneity of the campus and to defend conservative and libertarian values.
	Kind of like the campus boys.
	Just like the campus boys.
	I can't wait to talk about the campus boys.
	I can't wait.
	I can't wait.
	I should give them Dr. Pepper on the way home.
	Drop them out.
	Yeah, I mean.
	You should find out if it works.
	In her own words.
	So when I was a sophomore, it was the spring of my sophomore year, I was a part of the UChicago Institute of Politics, which is a bipartisan organization on campus, and it's run by David Axelrod, which is Obama's former chief advisor.
	And I was part of this project called I Vote Because, where students would stand in front of a camera, take a picture of themselves with a whiteboard, and it says, I vote because, and then you would write your reason for voting.
	And the other students wrote, I vote because I believe children should be put in cages.
	I vote because healthcare is a right.
	And I wrote, I vote because the coronavirus
	won't destroy America, but socialism will.
	Oh, no.
	And because I wrote that, the photo went viral on campus, and I was...
	Was made a meme of.
	People made fun of me.
	They also, you know, were deeply upset about that I was critiquing socialism, but, you know, instead made it about xenophobia and racism.
	Excuse me of really horrible things.
	They even went after my intellect and my character.
	They even said, you know, I wasn't pretty and it compared me to animals.
	And then at one point, I actually received a death threat from one of my students.
	This is the whole thing just filed out of control.
	And then I decided to write an op-ed in my school newspaper about how the university is not living up to a culture of free speech because the University of Chicago is very well known for being a pro-free speech campus.
	But if the student body isn't buying into that, then you can't have free speech because they bully and silence people.
	And so then there's no open dialogue and there's really just one prevailing narrative.
	So after that happened to me and similar things happened to a friend of mine.
	We both decided that enough was enough, and we started the Chicago Thinker, which is a conservative and libertarian newspaper, which is there for conservative students to showcase their ideas, where in the past we had actually been afraid to do so.
	Is upset that the things that she said backfired on her?
	Well, yeah.
	It's because you should have no consequences to your free speech, right?
	Yeah, I mean, no one should give her death threats, obviously.
	No, she got one, though.
	Did she get one?
	Just one.
	That was it.
	Who hasn't, honestly?
	I mean, I have.
	I have.
	Not from anyone who knew that there was a death threat.
	Not saying anyone should, I'm just saying.
	I thought it was kind of interesting she said, I even got one death threat.
	Yeah, I think she's just...
	Oh shit, the consequences of my actions.
	And free speech does not mean you need to have dialogue about things.
	No, you're not guaranteed.
	If you say something and people make fun of you, that's your free speech being met with their free speech.
	Does she want the...
	Sounds like she wants a safe space.
	Yeah, she does want a safe space.
	The Chicago Thinker is like a safe space?
	Yeah, it's a controversial island in a sea of blue.
	Nice. Some might call it...
	A conservative oasis.
	Uh-oh, you really got him.
	Sorry, yeah, thank you.
	Yeah, what really seemed to set her off from the pack was her extensive writings on COVID and how that relates to Libs being more conservative and conservative being more lib.
	Have you guys heard of this?
	Does this seem like this happened eons ago?
	I feel like everyone is old.
	Is this, like...
	Recent? I mean, obviously it's about COVID, so it's...
	I feel like that just happened.
	Well, she's kind of young.
	This interview is only three years old.
	Three? Yeah, I want to say it came out in the beginning of maybe 2022 is what I could kind of see.
	So they're really holding on to this victim mentality, the conservative oasis want, you know?
	In my head, it's sort of like that there's nothing new.
	This conversation seems to still be happening.
	Like, have you guys seen, like, why are you wearing masks coming back in on the internet again?
	Yeah, I think, I mean, we saw that most recently with Vitaly in the Philippines, but...
	Yeah, I think...
	Ooh, it sounds like he's gonna get maybe, like...
	Really? He should.
	Fuck that guy.
	I mean, collectively, I think he's done enough stuff to deserve to be locked up.
	Yes. But not just exactly what happened in the Philippines.
	Maybe don't go to the Philippines, though, right?
	And do pranks where you threaten people.
	You threaten to rob someone.
	Either way, take that fucking mask off, you pussy.
	That's disgusting.
	Aren't you?
	You should be healthy.
	And speaking of being healthy...
	So, one of the worst things for me, I think, is...
	Obviously, being healthy and fit is what helps combat against COVID.
	You have a better chance of not having as many symptoms, of not being hospitalized or not dying.
	Students our age were not likely to die or be hospitalized, but still, you won't get as many symptoms if you're a healthy person.
	And what the university have done is, because they're trying to slow the spread, they've shut down gyms across the country.
	At our school, they haven't shut them down completely, but you can only go there for 50 minutes, and you have to But more scary than that is,
	I think, the snitch culture at UChicago.
	Anonymous reporting systems.
	So actually a lot of students that are part of our newspaper have found themselves targets of the anonymous reporting system.
	So leftist students will go outside on the quad without masks and they'll hang out.
	They'll even participate in destructive BLM riots that happened earlier in the school year in the fall.
	They were very, they were, they burned.
	They burned, you know, had little fires on the quad.
	You know, I'm not sure if they were part of looting, but that did happen in Hyde Park.
	Bingo! And at the same time, students at the Chicago Thinker, who took a picture together wearing masks but not six feet apart, were anonymously reported.
	And so that, because, I mean, we are very, we're pretty sure that the reason is because they want to target students that they don't like.
	And so that's been happening, the snitch culture.
	Interesting. What a wild ride that clip was.
	Yeah, they kind of, like you said, hit them all.
	Is she saying that, like, Hey, listen, people who are fit are less likely to die of COVID, so everyone should go to the gym.
	I mean, I agree with the first half of that.
	Totally. If you are physically healthy, that is a good way to avoid getting very sick with COVID-19.
	But if you're in the middle of a pandemic, you're not going to be able to get fit enough for that to matter without running a significant risk of dying on the way there.
	Sure. And especially at the point where we didn't know what we didn't know, which is where a lot of those earlier...
	Tighter regulations and restrictions came into place.
	Of course, yeah.
	You know, the people who are saying this idea, right, are the same people who are saying that we should deal with the short-term pain of the stock market because it will eventually be good?
	Yeah. You understand the concept, then, that...
	You can make short-term sacrifices like inconveniences of going to the gym.
	Well, and there was so many alternatives to that.
	I ran outside the entire pandemic.
	Sure. Every day.
	We had a bike at our house.
	Sure. And you can go to the park.
	You can lift weights.
	You can also go to your scheduled gym time.
	You just have to be more structured about it.
	Don't be late.
	I would roll the fattest joint and walk.
	Five miles to the furthest head store in my neighborhood to grab more papers so that I could do it again the next day.
	Jared, did you ever lay on your back while wearing a mask and just light the weed and smoke it through the mask?
	Like a gas mask?
	No, I mean like open your mouth and make a little cup and put the weed in the cup of your mouth.
	Like that picture of the guy smoking a hundred cigarettes or something like that?
	Kind of like sort of that situation?
	Classic American photo.
	Yeah, I have.
	I've done Like, every way.
	And then she brings up the whole conservatives that are six feet apart getting snitched on versus the BLM.
	Yeah, they burned some trash in the quad or something like that.
	That was a tough call.
	Like, all those protests, when you're going out to protest, like, you are making the choice to say that this...
	I'm risking something for something greater.
	And that's a personal decision.
	They would have had the same commentary on it with or without a pandemic.
	They would have had the same thing to say these black people should shut up or whatever the fuck that these dumbasses were saying that whole time.
	That's what they were saying.
	That's what they were going to say regardless of that.
	And these are the same people also who wanted the Applebee's to open up and the waiters and waitresses to serve them so that they could cough on them and get their little Microwave steak on.
	And get haircuts, dude.
	Yeah. I'm out here and I'm having to cut my mom's hair.
	I can't even believe how bad I'm doing.
	But just sort of that like...
	With or without it, these people don't want to hear the dissenting opinion, and that's essentially what our friend Avita is saying here, is that this is what the conversation should be versus what the conversation actually is.
	She doesn't want to participate in the B side of her conversation, the other side of the coin, you know?
	Totally, yeah.
	I do not like the idea of, for one, when she says snitch culture, she would say that about literally anything.
	Anything that she agreed with, if someone called her out on it, she'd call them a snitch.
	That's just the vibe that I get from this single clip.
	I mean, I hate the concept of calling somebody a snitch.
	Yeah. We'll get more context, probably, on why she would use the word snitch, but just as we get to know her more.
	Maybe it rhymes with something.
	In this next clip, we're about to hear the voice of Erica Anderson from Liberty Chats, of which this clip is pulled from.
	And just to say, this is also G-Chat pre-Zoom, or I guess post-Zoom, but maybe they weren't using it.
	I don't know.
	I will say pre-ring light for both of them.
	And Erica's face just kind of blends into the wall behind her.
	Kind of fantastic if you go and look for this, but it's like a, it's a beige wall with eyes and a mouth asking this person questions, essentially.
	Going off of that article, I believe that you were just touching on, at the Federalist, you have the recent article entitled, Universities, Insane COVID Rules and Snitch Culture Are Training the Next Generation to Embrace Totalitarianism.
	So you make a comparison in the article to the rebellious women of the feminist movement in the 60s.
	Could you expand on how you see this comparison within the rebellious COVID culture and the rebellious feminist culture of those times and how you see the COVID defiances impacting American culture in the future?
	Yeah, so in the 60s, you know, the left was the party of free speech and of freedom.
	So when women on college campuses in the 1960s and 50s, they had to sign into their dorm rooms, they couldn't, they had curfews.
	If they wanted to leave campus during the school year, they had to get like a parental note.
	I mean, these are very sexist policies that didn't apply to men, they only applied to women.
	And so the feminist movement in the 1960s, left-wing students, left-wing feminist women.
	We fought to get the university administration out of their lives.
	They said, we want the freedom to go out as late as we want.
	We want the freedom to leave campus.
	We want the freedom to be the adults that we are.
	And now what we're seeing is the left-wing students on campus have made a switch.
	And now they want the administration to put on more rules and to have more regulations because...
	It's just been this great switch, and suddenly the conservative students who might have said, you know, back in the day, you know, we're fine with the curfew times and all that.
	Well, now the conservative students are saying, we want the bureaucratic overblown administration out of our lives.
	And part of the problem, part of why this is happening these days is because at regular schools, especially like in Oxford and then back in the day, there were far more faculty than there were administrators.
	At every single school across the country.
	The administration is way overblown and outnumbers the faculty by triple or quadruple.
	I mean, it's ridiculous.
	And so that's why you have these people and their only job is to put rules on students and create diversity, equity, and inclusion programs that we don't need.
	I would prefer that my tuition go to my professors and not to these administrators whose only job is to make rules.
	This drives me crazy because I don't think she recognizes back what the left was fighting against was fighting against the society that didn't respect women.
	Yeah. And now what the left is fighting against is the society that doesn't respect the well-being of others.
	No one's saying, we want rules!
	We want rules!
	Honestly, I love rules.
	I love rules.
	They're great.
	They help me.
	But they're saying, hey, listen, you guys won't be fucking kind, so we need to make rules now.
	You did that.
	Yeah, you're the problem.
	They're not just fighting for rules.
	They're fighting against you because you won't do common courtesy.
	That's wrong.
	Yeah, that's wrong, actually.
	I'm sorry.
	Conservatives is the new punk rockers.
	That's what she's saying.
	Conservatives is the new punks, Dennis!
	Sorry. Jared's right.
	Rebellious COVID.
	Versus rebellious feminism.
	I think that's really interesting.
	I just want people to die and I want to be able to kill them with my illness.
	That's the same as me saying I want rights for women.
	What will I do with my germs if I don't breathe them out on people?
	I should be able to share these with everyone.
	I don't know.
	That was a dumb point, and honestly, she didn't really say much, and then strongly wraps it up by just shouting DEI, as if that is a good, solid statement.
	Does she really believe universities have triple the administrative staff compared to faculty?
	I don't know what she's talking about.
	If I'm being honest, I don't know.
	I don't know about that either, but I know maybe...
	I'm willing to bet.
	For instance, in Missoula, I know that administration has...
	Basically gotten rid of a bunch of teachers, which would be that type of faculty, teacher faculty, to put money in other places.
	So it's possible.
	I guess like that, but I don't really know.
	Which I don't necessarily agree with doing that either, just because some of these schools, like that one with the Grizz, are putting money towards the football team because that's what brings the college money.
	Rapists. Oh, yeah, also.
	Russell Brands in the house.
	You guys, but this is only the start of this iceberg here.
	I was very pleased to find out some more stuff about our new friend Evita here.
	And just to get you guys on the same page, today, Evita is the co-anchor at the Bongino Report.
	Yes, my uncle's best friend forever.
	Wait, she doesn't have her own show?
	No, and this is the weirdest thing, because, you know, Bongino is now part of the FBI.
	Of course he is.
	If I had a show called The Byron Report, and then I left, I would definitely have other people just kind of come on and represent my name while I'm gone.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Totally makes sense.
	Because your name is your brand.
	I guess.
	The Vince Show.
	Great. Hi, I'm David, the host of The Vince Show.
	That'd be fun, right?
	Bongino's out.
	He was kind of the catalyst for the lineup coming together.
	So, Evita Duffy is at 11, but she's not on her show.
	No. Evita Duffy, the host of The Bongino Report.
	She's one of the co-anchors, yes.
	Oh, who's the other one?
	Some other lady.
	Isn't Vince contributing to The Bongino Report?
	He might be, but he's not the co-host of The Bongino Report.
	Okay, my bad.
	The show is described internally as The podcast focuses on fearless journalism, covering hard-hitting news, uncensored opinions, and stories often overlooked by corporate media.
	Topics include confronting left-wing ideologues, exposing urban crime, uh-oh, and reporting on significant events like the BLM riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
	That show sounds like if the left didn't exist, that show wouldn't exist?
	Well, I mean, that's kind of true.
	We are the problem, and we're funding them, I guess, in content.
	It sounds like a show that I don't know.
	I'd love to watch.
	Finally, someone who can fix the problems.
	Say the same thing everyone else is saying on the right.
	Great. Yeah, so it's just kind of the same old song and dance and there's not really anything to see here, right?
	I mean, I agree.
	Yeah, I agree mostly too.
	But also, Dennis, I kind of don't agree.
	How do y'all feel about Nepo babies?
	Is it like a nano baby?
	No. Nepotism.
	Oh, I love nepotism.
	Well, I'm indifferent, I guess.
	That's how I got this show.
	Yeah, it's true.
	I got this show.
	This is mine.
	Well, yeah, I signed you.
	I love nepotism.
	That's how Jared Kushner's involved in our government or was.
	Yeah, he's cool.
	For me in wrestling, my fandom there, right?
	Randy Orton, that's Big Bob Orton's son right there.
	And like, I gotta see Randy Orton win the Royal Rumble.
	So that was really cool, you know?
	And it's like, kind of fun.
	Without nepotism, where would we be?
	Merit-based hiring?
	Nepotism's the original DEI.
	I mean, you're not wrong.
	But to certain degrees, I guess I'm not fully against nepotism.
	I mean, life is about connections.
	I'm not really against it, and I kind of don't really care.
	When it happens.
	And really, it's only interesting to me as someone who is like eight years old once.
	Someone who thought MTV was the nexus of cool.
	And it still is.
	Because I love ridiculousness.
	It shows ridiculousness only.
	Like, I'm not joking.
	It's exclusively ridiculousness.
	I like watching Nutshots.
	It seems like a very...
	As a channel, it's like a...
	A hotel channel now.
	Like how you'd be showing up for like...
	Bar Rescue, or...
	Practical Jokers.
	Only two of them, though.
	But I watched so much MTV when I was a kid.
	It was constantly on.
	I had, like, an older cousin, and she babysat my sister and I. So, like, during the summer times, like, she would turn it on because it would be, you know, mostly music videos at the time.
	But then summer would come along, and we'd get the spring break action.
	Spring break.
	The cartoons, the Eon Flux.
	Oh, man, spring break.
	The Head.
	Wait, what?
	Syphil and Ollie.
	See, I didn't watch any of the cartoons.
	I was mostly...
	To Cisco Shakedown and Say What?
	Karaoke? You were into jerking off.
	Oh, right.
	You know, I wasn't really allowed to watch Beavis and Butthead, but that was on Channel 31 on MTV, and then Nickelodeon was Channel 30, so I could, like, click it back down.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Damn, dude, I did the same thing, except I told my mom I was only watching the music videos on Beavis and Butthead.
	Yeah, I turned it off when the cartoon part happens.
	She was totally fine with that.
	When they're jerking off in the camper.
	Another classic, though.
	The real world.
	You guys into that?
	I recently turned on the first episode, and one of the girls, when they're introducing her, she's like...
	My dad wants me to be a computer operator.
	And I was like, holy fuck, is this show from 1940?
	My season?
	From 2000.
	New Orleans.
	New Orleans.
	I remember New Orleans a lot.
	I had such a crush on Julie.
	I thought Matt was the coolest.
	And then looking back at them now, Matt's like a Mormon.
	I know, Julie's a Mormon too.
	Dang. Were they the squares?
	Okay, that's funny.
	Come on, be my baby tonight.
	That guy, remember?
	No. Come on, be my baby tonight.
	I need to watch Real World again just to see the ones that like...
	There'll be one that I'll watch and it'll trigger a core memory in my life.
	I know it'll happen.
	What is that fucker's name?
	Honestly, Dennis, seeing this season of the Real World did that to me in like the weirdest ways.
	It's very viscerally...
	Which season?
	This was season four.
	This is the true story.
	The true story.
	I have seven speakers.
	Pick to live in a house.
	Have their lives changed.
	Oh Lucy, I'm home.
	To find out what happens.
	When people stop being polite.
	And start getting real.
	MTV's The Real World, San Francisco.
	This is the season with Puck.
	It's a big one.
	Puck? Puck.
	You know Puck.
	Yeah. I know Puck.
	I think I know Puck.
	Didn't Puck get kicked off for fighting?
	Puck got kicked off because he was an intolerable human being.
	Looking at him through this lens that I am 20 years older and looking at this, this would be an intolerable person to live
	Sorry about that.
	Who is it?
	That's David, but now he goes by Tokyo Parker.
	Of course he does.
	Hell yeah, Tokyo Parker.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	No, that's fine.
	And I was just going to say that there's a clip of Puck writing His bike down the hills of San Francisco with his hands off of the handlebar.
	Yeah, oh my god, I'm like the steering wheel.
	With his hand off the handlebar, and he pulls a sword out from a sheath, and then he raises the sword to the air.
	And in my head, I was always like, that was like...
	A really cool, triumphant video of somebody, you know what I mean?
	It just looked cool.
	And then seeing it on here again, I was like, this is the twerpiest guy I've ever seen in my life.
	He's just, he's wild.
	So for the uninitiated, real-world theme song explains it all.
	We've got seven strangers, they're living together, and they're mostly eating pasta every night.
	And, you know, what else is new for 20-year-olds?
	Man, I wish I could eat pasta every night.
	My metabolism is fucked.
	It's crazy.
	They start complaining about it towards, like, the end of the season.
	We're talking, like, 20 episodes in.
	They're like...
	And, you know, this is, like, six or seven months of these people's lives that they're living in this house.
	Like, in these seasons.
	I don't know how long they went in later ones, but...
	Seems like a lot of episodes.
	Yeah, a lot of episodes.
	And they're just eating spaghetti in every episode.
	And, like, garlic bread.
	It's very funny to see.
	I could eat garlic bread every day of my life.
	Every day, yeah, it's so good.
	Well, you would die.
	I don't care.
	Your life would be shorter.
	I don't care.
	Actually, one thing I will say about going back to this, how much has changed, except I guess like...
	The conversations around the political engagements between the roommates, kind of nothing has changed.
	This all feels very, like, of public time.
	Were there lots of political conversations?
	Oh, yeah.
	I think we'll listen to a couple of those.
	And actually, we're about to hear some clips from Rachel.
	She's the Arizona State University graduate.
	Rachel has a degree in international relations and a Woodrow Wilson graduate fellowship.
	She's also the mother of our...
	You guessed it.
	Star of this episode, Evita Duffy Alfonso.
	Hold up, so her mom was on Real World?
	Yes. San Francisco season, season three.
	Has she stayed famous?
	Nah, we'll get to that.
	We'll check in.
	So anyway, when we first meet Rachel, she's on a train meeting her new roommate, Judd.
	Judd is a Long Island native.
	He's a cartoonist and a self-described bed-wetting liberal.
	Rachel is breaking the ice and asks Judd what his plans are for- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Does that just mean he wets the bed and is also a liberal?
	I'm sorry, it was a bed-wetting comma liberal.
	No. He's crying, he's a baby, he's like stamping his feet and saying, no, no, no, no, Republican.
	You can't do that.
	They were described as bedwetters because they wouldn't let these conservatives have their fun.
	Rachel is breaking the ice and she asks Judd what his plans are for work in San Francisco and Judd says he's going to try to get a job doing some cartoons.
	Judd asks Rachel, what are you going to try to do?
	Rachel replies through her connections from the Young Republicans, she will try to parlay that into a job working for Jack Kemp, the former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for the H.W. Bush administration, as well as a former Buffalo Bill.
	Oh, nice.
	Sports. Sports!
	Judd, learning this on the train that they're taking together, recoils a bit in the confessional, says that this may cause a rift later.
	Later in the episode, Pedro, one of the other seven, opens up to his roommates about his concerns.
	I was very concerned about how they were going to find out that I was HIV positive and how they were going to react to it.
	Wait, what were you saying, though, about you have AIDS, not HIV?
	What do you mean?
	AIDS is a clinical diagnosis, so I have AIDS.
	So you're not HIV symptomatic, you're...
	I have AIDS.
	You have AIDS right now.
	Oh! If I beat you, I'll show you my scrapbook.
	And if I beat you, you'll show me your scrapbook.
	The reason I brought the scrapbook was because it was going to make it easier for me to let them know that I was a JV positive.
	What a ribbons!
	Yeah, he's a super hoster.
	When they opened the scrapbook, there's this picture of me that says, I am living with AIDS.
	He's my roommate, and I have no fear of getting AIDS.
	I was pretty familiar with the disease.
	Living in San Francisco, you have to be.
	They reacted very, you know, good about it.
	These are posters.
	Those are great posters.
	Yeah. This was in the front page of the Iowa News.
	Gosh. This is in Iowa.
	I'm so proud of your work.
	Rachel kind of just, I don't know, she kind of like kept away.
	She sat down with the group and then just got up and left.
	I wanted to ask some hardcore questions about how it affects him, how it affects us.
	This is for me.
	None of those things were discussed.
	Everybody else was just so much in adoration of his, you know, accomplishments that me asking a question at that point would have made me, like, you know, the bitch.
	Sounds like none of your fucking business, Rachel.
	Yeah. It sounds like, yeah, it sounds like that.
	But honestly, I was very distracted.
	Because of that fucking incredible music the whole time.
	And I could have cut some of that stuff back.
	No, I'm glad you didn't.
	I'm glad you didn't.
	I think we should have a bonus episode just dedicated to that.
	The soundtrack of Real World Season 3. A lot of it's hitters, for sure.
	Of course people would think you're the bitch, because that doesn't affect you.
	I mean, if she had some genuine questions from a good place, then maybe she could ask those questions.
	Yeah, how's it going to affect you?
	Are you going to have sex with Pedro?
	That's a good question.
	Then it won't affect you.
	Is he going to cut himself around you?
	Yeah. What if he cuts his wrist and puts it in our mouth while we're sleeping?
	That's not going to happen, Rachel.
	Back in the 90s when being blood brothers was really sick.
	Kind of cool, yeah.
	Me and my friends, we were spit handshake kind of guys first.
	But I think we gotta open it up to blood brother status.
	What if Pedro proposes being a blood sibling with me?
	How about, I mean, maybe ask that question if it's coming from a genuine place.
	I don't know, Rachel.
	You know, though, like, kind of something, if you think about it, like, you know, hard, if you think about it hard, if you think about, like, where Evita's at now, and she's, like, working with Draculas, it's kind of, you know, like, the acceptance is maybe there.
	Yeah, I mean, what if I try and suck his blood while he's sleeping?
	Will that make me a vampire HIV positive?
	Interesting. I think that probably her real concern came from something else.
	Probably not the safety and maybe more of the homophobia.
	Yeah, that might be it.
	Yeah. Well...
	Good thing we're just getting started.
	That's episode one.
	That's episode one?
	Yeah, that's about the last three minutes of like...
	What season is this?
	Four? Dude, three.
	I want to watch this.
	I want to watch this tonight.
	I'll give you my Paramount login.
	Okay, cool.
	Thanks. Episode two comes and we see Rachel warming up to the bad boy, Puck.
	Puck accompanies Rachel to the Catholic Church and he's...
	Tugging on his crotch all weird the whole time.
	And just kind of like, I don't know, maybe Puck has like ADD or something like that.
	Which is fine, right?
	Maybe he's got a boner.
	Well, so she asked him, you know, when we get to the church, Puck, you cannot be grabbing on your crotch.
	It was that bad?
	Yeah, she had to say something about it.
	You know, they're off at church.
	Puck has a spiritual awakening.
	He's like, I love love.
	That's positive stuff.
	And so then...
	We see, back to Rachel, talking about Pedro.
	I think, like, the first night, I told everybody that I was actually a part of, and I showed everybody my scrapbook.
	Oh, that's amazing!
	You are just posted everywhere.
	Instead of trying to get information, all it was was this total PC...
	La-di-da-di, kumbaya, how wonderful you are that you speak, and, like, nothing relevant was discussed.
	She just got up and left, and I took that as a sign of rejection.
	Some people may say, oh, that's ignorant.
	We all know, you know, HIV can't be trans.
	But you know what?
	I don't know.
	I've never lived with anybody with HIV.
	I guess we're going to agree to disagree.
	Nobody even called him an F-slur.
	She was really upset by that.
	Yeah. No one's sticking up for me.
	Early example of if I don't personally know that I can't trust it.
	I mean, I think that it sounds like HIV was Evita's mother's COVID.
	Huh. That does seem like it might be.
	Rachel and Puck's new friendship gets explored.
	We kind of see the beginning of Puck's falling out with the roommates.
	They don't like Puck doing...
	Polyamory on Valentine's Day.
	For instance, he gets two dates and they're just like, wait, you're going to get two dates?
	He's pulling the sitcom one restaurant to the other.
	Two tables at the same restaurant.
	I think it's Judd or Michael or something like that in the house.
	And he says something about like, wait, are you going to do them separately?
	And he's like, no, no, no.
	Same time.
	We're just going to go on the date together.
	They'll be cool.
	And they're all just very like, What?
	What? Because you see Puck and it's like, yeah, but he's got a large wingspan.
	He could probably get two or three more in there probably.
	That's kind of fun.
	Rachel rallies the ladies and tries to get them on her side about having a boys bathroom and a girls bathroom.
	Not in this house.
	No unisex bathrooms.
	Not here.
	No thank you.
	You see what I mean about the same old topics?
	Yeah, wow.
	They're basically trying to avoid having to deal with Puck in the bathroom sense.
	But later on in the episode, they get more flirty, Rachel and Puck.
	And that takes us to episode three.
	My roommates that I live with now are very talented and do have specific things that they're aiming towards.
	I'm going to try to find a job with something kind of political, so anyone can get involved with the Republican Party or the conservative Aussie-making here in San Francisco.
	And believe it or not, there are things going on.
	There's a conference on Thursday.
	I need something to wear.
	I don't have a conference on Thursday.
	What? For what?
	Spender's anonymous.
	No, I'm going to see Jack Kemp on Thursday.
	Jack Kemp was a former head secretary under George Bush, and it's rumored he's going to be running for president.
	I'm really interested in the things that he's done with the Hispanic community in particular.
	I don't see it as an accomplishment.
	His name is Bill.
	George Clinton!
	How can you know what he's doing when you don't even know his name?
	No, I know his name.
	You can vote.
	I didn't.
	If you don't vote, you have no right to complain.
	That's how I feel about it.
	I really like that one.
	Sounds like a corn bridge.
	Kind of, yeah.
	George Clinton, huh?
	George Clinton, dude.
	Parliament president.
	That'd be sick.
	I like that guy.
	I gotta see him one time.
	He sat down the whole time.
	It's great.
	Well, he was old, right?
	Yeah, he's still out there.
	He's still kicking it.
	Oh, it's still alive.
	Okay, never mind.
	Yeah, yeah, he's still doing it.
	Well, it's cool that Rachel gets to participate in the conservative party of San Francisco.
	Yeah, she's going to go be a better libertarian conservative.
	You know, she just wants to do her part in the party.
	And as, like, a young Republican, like, that's super cool.
	You know, she ended up bringing back what she learned from the convention to the House.
	Our America was conceptualized, if you will, before the last election, actually, by Jack Kemp.
	While I'm there at the conference, it's not just to meet Jack Kemp, it's to meet other people, other conservatives, other Republicans in this area.
	And maybe I can find a job out of that.
	I don't know who Jack Kemp is, and I think her politics are...
	You know that guy that I went to go see, Jack Hemp?
	One of his big issues, because he used to be Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, when he would go into L.A. and he would see what was going on, he wants to sell the housing that economically disadvantaged people have, and he wants to be able to, for really, really super cheap, give those people the opportunity to buy.
	I think that's because they don't have any money in the first place.
	Well, he's saying to make it...
	I'm going to take land from someone who's renting, first of all, right?
	And then say, now, here's your opportunity to buy this land that I just...
	You've been renting, barely being able to rent.
	Here, I know you saved up about $30,000 on the side.
	That sounds like the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
	It may sound really stupid, but it's very plausible.
	So it's going to be like, I don't make a lot of rich people.
	I know it's plausible.
	I'm sure that they're probably quite stupid.
	But I'm just saying...
	I think that's going to make a lot of rich people.
	I honestly can't argue on this house.
	I could tell immediately from the look on her face that she was beyond mad.
	She was really hurt.
	He knows that I wanted to go to that conference.
	But by him belittling me like that, I think that he...
	He really drew a line.
	He really cut something between, even the personal side.
	I think it's very personal with both of you.
	Andrew was pretty diplomatic about it.
	Very diplomatic about it.
	I mean, I know that my being in the Republican Party is completely the opposite of what he thinks.
	He never belittled me.
	He never put it down.
	He respected it.
	I was laughing too.
	I don't care.
	No, of course you care.
	I can care less if this whole house thinks everything I believe in is funny.
	That doesn't matter to me.
	What matters to me is that he would do it in a way Purposely meant to, you know, hurt me.
	Rachel is a believer.
	You know, she really believes in the system.
	She really believes in the way things should be.
	And I hope that she doesn't get hurt that bad because society doesn't flow in that way.
	I guess you just, there's some people you can, you know, discuss politics and social issues with civilly and there's some people who can't handle it.
	And now I know Mohammed can't handle it.
	She can't handle it.
	Was that right?
	Seems that way.
	I can't handle the smooth sounds of Moby playing in the middle of that.
	I think that was Moby, but man, that was a little distracting.
	It's kind of maybe too early for Moby, I'll be honest.
	It sounds like she shared her ideas and someone overpoweringly told her her ideas were stupid.
	Yeah, and that's very strange.
	Yeah, that's sorry your ideas are bad.
	Turns out that some people can't handle it.
	That could be plausible rather than explaining why it is.
	I like society doesn't flow that way, though.
	That was nice.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That guy's like, you're on a river, dude.
	Do you want to swim upstream or do you want to float?
	Maybe the more interesting arc in this, he's like a poet and his dad owns an alcohol-free club where they do music and poetry and it seems like a really cool thing that they were doing there, especially at the time.
	Maybe seeing less and less spaces like that.
	Everywhere, you know.
	But it's kind of interesting, and he gives her a really good...
	So they want to sell people the land of which they are renting.
	Do you not understand how dumb that fucking sounds?
	Being very kind about it towards her, but of course, she can't give even a performative answer.
	She just kind of removes herself from the conversation.
	I don't know.
	The tone hasn't changed.
	It's sort of just the same, right?
	And so, like, as the season continues here, we see less of Rachel's glaring political takes.
	The cast is bigger fish to fry with the roommate Puck.
	We do see a bit of a redemption arc with Rachel, a little bit.
	Rachel and Pedro become closer as the season ends, and Pedro becomes a spokesman for the AIDS crisis.
	Rachel supports his work.
	He goes to, like, NBC and talks about it on, like, maybe Dateline or something.
	He goes college to college and he's giving students in closer circles.
	He's doing...
	The group brought me in.
	In larger circles, he's talking about the guy in the dais in front of a large audience addressing the AIDS crisis.
	Rachel even goes back with him to Arizona where Pedro speaks at.
	Rachel's alma mater even meets Rachel's family.
	It's nice that Rachel's in proximity with this person.
	She grows to appreciate him.
	I think that says a lot about her character.
	She has a lot of preconceived notions at the beginning towards the end.
	I think that she kind of sees maybe the error of her ways and sort of...
	You heard her say that Pedro responded to her opinion a lot more respectfully than Muhammad did, right?
	Sure, yeah.
	I mean, maybe that's...
	That's the right approach.
	Maybe we should actually change our approach to the show entirely.
	Cancel it.
	We're going to stop talking about this woman's daughter here in just a minute.
	Play the outro.
	Her mom turns out she's a redeemable character.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Of course we're not going to do that.
	No. The conflict, the friction, we crave it, we need it.
	That's why we're still on X while it was sad.
	We're here to dunk and bunk.
	Near the end of the season, in episode 18, Rachel invites the roommates to go to the Empower America conference.
	A conference that, you guessed it, promotes conservative and libertarian values.
	There's a conference on Tuesday, and if you guys are going to go, I have to tell the lady tomorrow.
	It's Empower America.
	It's a conference.
	Jack Kemp's going to be there, Bill Bennett, and Gene Kirkpatrick.
	They're just going to talk about them, or what is it?
	I thought it was a great opportunity for them to gain a little bit of insight into who I was.
	It would be kind of nice if you guys went.
	I can only imagine the scene there.
	All these button-down, conservative types, and Rachel coming through.
	My hunch is there are a lot of right-wing gentlemen who are more than happy to have her there.
	Just call it a hunch.
	That's the voice of Judd, the cartoonist.
	Judd actually gets a job at maybe the Examiner, the San Francisco Examiner, doing cartoons during the season.
	He turns up a bit.
	You know what I find interesting about this is that they call them button-down conservatives, which highlights how different the conservative party is now.
	You sure about that?
	buttoned up.
	Thank you all for coming to what looks to be very exciting and Yep.
	Yep. I mean, it looks sketchier than it is.
	I was digging for some controversy.
	It's pretty milquetoast.
	Empower America is a conservative think tank, co-founded, like she said, by Jack Kemp, William Bennett, and Janine Kirkpatrick.
	They had a huge role in shaping Bob Dole's platform in the 1996 presidential election, but I mean, not anything too intense for the time.
	They targeted rap lyrics and rock and roll music, as well as daytime talk shows.
	Yeah. And fun.
	Shindigs, not allowed.
	We need at least three feet between partners, please!
	Yeah, it saves my room for Jesus.
	That's the original six feet apart.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The segment ends with Rachel saying, I didn't invite you with so you could rip me to shreds.
	What do you think of those welfare-reformed cats?
	I think that there are reasons for people to be on welfare.
	I think that there's a lot of abuse, and I think when you talk about welfare reforms, I think it should be making the system such that people will learn to get off of it, that it doesn't become a vicious cycle.
	Well, that's what I'm saying.
	A little more involvement...
	You're saying more...
	No, no, I'm saying...
	I'm not saying more bureaucrats.
	I'm saying that no one is willing to do the work.
	No one's willing to get in there and actually do it.
	When you have that many people on welfare, you have to question whether or not those people are really down and out.
	That many people need that much help.
	So once again, black people brought it upon themselves.
	They didn't say it.
	They didn't put it on a t-shirt.
	They didn't wave a banner, but that's what they're saying.
	They're saying black people brought it upon themselves.
	Shut up.
	This is not what he's saying.
	He's not saying that black people brought it upon themselves.
	I think that...
	One, that I'm not on trial.
	And two, sorry if you don't agree, but that's the way I stand on it.
	I'm not knocking you so much as I am those four really racist...
	I think that that's a very, very, very unfair statement.
	You throw that word around way too loosely.
	And it's something that, as a minority, I don't take very lightly.
	And if I'm going to call somebody a racist, I'm going to be damn sure that that's right.
	And I'm not going to throw that term around.
	And I've seen you throw that term around several times, and I think it's very, very, very unwise.
	And it's not fair.
	I've got to get going.
	I'd love to continue this discussion, but I have to go.
	I was completely flabbergasted and offended that Judd said the racist thing.
	He didn't say it about you.
	I mean, he said it about the person that she seems to care a lot about Jack Kemp, you know?
	Sure. He seems like a huge Jack Kemp fan.
	Big time.
	Kemp head.
	Never even heard that name before today, but I mean, I don't know.
	He was president.
	He was president?
	Yeah. I didn't know that.
	Buffalo Bills.
	Fan club.
	Army. Yeah, gosh.
	This is interesting to watch this because it sounds exactly like conversations now.
	Yeah, what do you think about those welfare reform cats?
	What year is this?
	This is, what, 95?
	94? Yeah.
	Probably shot in 93, released in 94, yeah.
	Yeah. Yeah, I feel like we've just been, like, running around in circles here.
	It's the same...
	It's just the same shit.
	It's always been.
	But the roommates have a hard time figuring out Rachel.
	Really, how can she be so free-spirited yet so rigid at the same time?
	She seems like a tourist in some sense.
	She wants the bad boys, but she can't fundamentally get on their level, and her roommates seem to recognize this.
	Pam Singh.
	I find it very difficult to understand how Rachel can resolve her very strict religious beliefs, her very strict political stance, along with the rest of her life, which is open and free.
	Semen Crowder.
	You know what's interesting hearing these quotes and hearing these people speak?
	Is these were like 19, 20, 21 year olds, right?
	Yeah. Well, I think Rachel's 23 in this.
	The articulate conversation of people talking about politics feels different.
	Like, it might be different because these are like intelligent people, but I feel like there's kids who I would speak with now who wouldn't be this articulate about.
	Well, I mean, even then, with their limited knowledge, they're talking about policy.
	They're not talking about cult of personality.
	Sure. That's what matters now in politics.
	Yeah, it feels...
	Culture war topics.
	Yeah. I mean, everyone just sounds so well put together, but also I'm comparing the people of today with the people who were good on TV and articulate people.
	That's why they were on the show in the first place.
	Sure. Not enough Eastern Atlantic accents, if you ask me.
	The real, like the baseball announcer voices.
	She? Yeah.
	Like the real, yeah, they're coming around the bend and they're, I don't know, they got that long?
	Yeah, we know.
	I'm familiar.
	I like that.
	So this was 30 years ago.
	That was 30 years ago, Dennis.
	And so Rachel is only one half of the equation, of course.
	What about Evita's dear papa?
	Have you guys heard of this guy?
	You know him?
	You heard of him?
	I actually don't know.
	Or didn't until I read your script.
	The only Duffy I know is Ryan Duff.
	None other than your favorite competitive log roller, aspiring lawyer, and self-described conservative.
	Sean Duffy of Real World Season 6. Boston!
	Her dad was on Real World 2?
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Turns out, yeah.
	Double darlings of the 1990s, my friends.
	We gotta look, right?
	My finding out about this was just like, well, alright, we gotta see if we can see what we can see.
	No, we don't know.
	We don't know the unknown unknowns.
	So that's why you watch two full seasons of 1990s.
	Yeah, instead of doing some actual notes, I just watch TV.
	I appreciate you guys bearing with me here.
	I was having fun.
	When we first meet Sean, he tells us who he is.
	But when we see Sean a little bit into this season, when he first starts to break out, we see him canoodling with Montana, the self-identifying Atheist.
	Uh-oh.
	Like a bad girl.
	Rachel likes a bad boy.
	You know, it's kind of interesting.
	The parallel there.
	We see the ups and downs there, but ultimately Montana telling Sean, all the roommates think you're the most immature person in the house.
	Sean is 25 and he's maybe the most senior member of the house.
	I'm thinking, I don't think that there was anyone older than him.
	They don't usually cast over 25. Yeah, that's usually the high end of it.
	And so we don't really see Sean too much until about episode 8. And he's got the roommate Cyrus, and then sort of showing their relationship growing a little bit, their goofing, their new boot goofing with each other.
	Sean's freestyle rapping for Cyrus, and Cyrus is saying to him, like, come on, man.
	Come on, man.
	There's a couple of Sean music things that you can find on YouTube, if any of our listeners are.
	I may have pulled one that you had crossed out.
	Okay, okay, good.
	Right on.
	We'll give an example of that one.
	Yeah, he's just beep-bopping and loop-bopping with Cyrus.
	For Sean, just think of your oldest family member trying to say anything with rhythm.
	It's just terrible.
	Let me go ahead and just cut to the heart of the matter here.
	Back to what we were talking about, Shani.
	Your views on this whole black and white thing.
	We got a situation like little subtle things as a kid.
	Even looking at pictures of Jesus Christ as a white man.
	Uh-oh.
	Right. Even like shows about the Bible or Moses.
	Right. But on those shows, all those people are white.
	Right. Except for the servants.
	They're black.
	Right. And if you look at one of those shows, you see that.
	What is that telling us as a people?
	Uh-oh.
	I'm not denying that, I mean, a lot of things that you don't have, as a whole, you have less things than the white man has had.
	I agree with that.
	But all I'm saying is that you can't sit there and blame because of all these things, and you can blame who you are and what you do because you grew up like that.
	And to be able to blame like that...
	It's wrong.
	You should be able to take responsibility for what you do yourself.
	I don't think black people's issues were that intense at this point in our society.
	If we switch and I walk through the black neighborhood, you know, I'm going to be taunted or whatever, be discriminated against.
	Probably like you may be walking through an all-white neighborhood.
	So it's like the same.
	It's all relevant.
	What reason would you have for going to the hood?
	Get drunk.
	What do you think?
	What reason would I have for going to work?
	I gotta go through your spot, brother.
	Whether I like it or not.
	You know what I mean?
	Because we run this day.
	That's what I'm trying to tell you.
	But you keep trying to say you don't.
	All right, we're going to...
	Wow. I'm getting so fucking hype over here right now.
	The smack your bitch up as I was playing?
	No, that was Sandstorm.
	That was not Sandstorm.
	It was not?
	It was not.
	No, but it's a Sandstorm stock.
	Audio. Of course.
	That's amazing.
	I mean, a hot conversation these folks are having.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And it's clear that obviously Sean is classically conservative in saying...
	Well, you can't blame us.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And we're not going to do anything about it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Maybe you should work harder.
	And honestly, the system is set up in a way that I don't want to change.
	Yeah. I'm kind of benefiting and enjoying this.
	I liked when he said, what about when I gotta go to a black neighborhood?
	And Cyrus says to him, why would you be going to a black neighborhood?
	And then every reason why I would have to go to a white neighborhood is a reason you don't have to be anywhere else but a white neighborhood.
	That's a good point.
	Yeah, it's the ultimate point.
	You have no business being in over here.
	And this is an arbitrary argument.
	You don't go there.
	You know?
	The black experience on this show is something that I think that they spend a little bit of time with.
	These people having to handhold their roommates, the understanding of them being black people in America is an interesting dichotomy.
	Like, we didn't explore it too much with Rachel.
	On the real-world side with Muhammad, but we, I think, see it a little bit more in this season with Sean.
	The put-upon responsibility of explaining the black experience to these naive roommates.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, exactly.
	His arbitrary argument, why do I, like, what about if I go to your neighborhood?
	Like, you're not going to that neighborhood.
	You've never been to that neighborhood.
	You don't know any black people.
	Yeah. Which is something that they touch on in this season here.
	I haven't been exposed to a lot of the issues that Cyrus has brought to the table with me, but I'm open to him.
	I'm trying to learn.
	Sean was jumped by some black guys one time.
	For him to actually come to live with me shows that he has to have an open mind.
	What color you want?
	Background. What white background?
	Why can't we go with a black background, huh?
	Oh my god.
	Cyrus just roasting and toasting his ass.
	Yeah. You know, he's keeping them on his feet.
	And, you know, in this season of The Real World, the roommates volunteer with kids.
	You know, they're like mentors in sort of like an after-school sort of program for them most of the season.
	Eventually, around episode 17, the roommates take the students on a ski trip to Vermont.
	Sean and Jason, who's another one of the roommates in the house, skip a bunch of the activities they were meant to help the kids with.
	They had specific instructions from Anthony, who we'll probably hear from in one of these clips, I imagine, at some point.
	Yeah, he's in that.
	Who's sort of the...
	Liaison? I guess, like, the principal or something.
	Like, yeah, he's the leader of this after-school program that they're a part of, volunteering for.
	Anthony tells them specifically, you will not be away from the kids at any point during this.
	You need to be available.
	You need to be made available.
	Yeah, Sean and Jason skip a bunch of all that.
	All while Genesis, the self-identifying lesbian...
	And Sean, they finally have it out.
	I don't know that we pulled any of it because it wasn't really too much to go off of here.
	Sean just basically accuses Genesis of ignoring him.
	Genesis says she ignores him as a choice.
	We learn this is primarily because of his pushy nature.
	Also, he really prods her about being gay earlier on in the episode.
	It's kind of interesting.
	Have you guys been following the JoJo Siwa, Mickey Rourke, celebrity big brother situation that's going on?
	I saw that Mickey Rourke got booted.
	Oh, did he get booted for that?
	I didn't follow up that much.
	That's all I've seen.
	He calls her the lesbian and said that after four days being there with him, he would have her changing her sexuality.
	Oh, gross.
	And Mickey Rourke is so gross.
	And then he said he'd tie her up or something like that.
	Mickey Rourke's botched surgery makes him look like a fucking street shark.
	You can't top that.
	Yeah, I mean, that kind of reminds me of that.
	It's like, yeah, I mean, if you're talked about or pursued in a weird way by someone that's making you uncomfortable, yeah.
	You can make a choice to ignore that person.
	You can always make a choice to ignore anybody you want.
	Nope. You have to have a reason.
	Hey, we're on the show.
	Why are you ignoring me?
	You might get accused of...
	Yeah, I mean, that's really what it was.
	Well, I'll show a better example of this later on that has...
	It's much more juicy of an example, but to follow up on that Mickey Rourke thing, I saw something about the judge.
	I didn't know about the incident, but then Mickey Rourke's doing a movie with...
	I saw it on the FOMOI page.
	Ooh, maybe the Thorn?
	Bella Thorn?
	Maybe. Has done a movie with him recently, and he was all kinds of inappropriate and trying to embarrass her on the set.
	So Mickey Rourke probably going back underground, I would guess.
	Seems like after these last two incidents.
	Kind of rough.
	But it sounds like on the ski trip they did a pretty good job, though.
	Excellent job.
	Had by all.
	Well, we already mentioned that Sean and Jason already skipped a bunch of the activities.
	We didn't hang out with the kids.
	We didn't actually do what we did.
	We're supposed to do on the ski trip.
	We did our own thing.
	That wasn't a big issue, I don't think, that I laughed.
	Because you said you've got to spend time with the kids.
	You've got to ski with the kids.
	No, no, no, no.
	How much time did I say you had to spend?
	The whole time with the kids.
	Right. Right.
	But I got there, and the kids were all taken care of.
	It's like, do you want me to sit in the snow and go, okay?
	Come on.
	It's over.
	The ski trip's over.
	No, no, but I mean, obviously, there's...
	Yeah, obviously.
	But I was disappointed last night.
	That's how I feel.
	Okay. Jason and I left and had a great time skiing by ourselves.
	It's actually a little bit selfish, I know, but...
	Badoomch. Joke's on him.
	Is that supposed to be a joke?
	Joke's on someone.
	Someone's got egg on their face after that.
	Yeah. No real consequences here.
	We jump to episode 19. The after-school program was invited to take 10 children, ages 9 and older, out to Philadelphia to the President's Summit on America's Future.
	Scheduled to attend would be President Ford, Carter, Bush, Clinton and Nicole Powell.
	I wanted to go to Philadelphia.
	I wanted to go see Colin Powell speak.
	I wanted to see Bill Clinton.
	Chaperone? She's going to be assigned a child for 25 hours a day.
	Oh no, they're having them work with more children?
	Of course.
	Same kids, they're just still volunteering.
	Oh, okay, good.
	Yeah, same students they're already familiar with.
	Yeah, that's very cool.
	I think it's like part of my childhood, or not really, you know, more of my teenage years.
	I got to see Bush speak in...
	2003 or 2004, something like that.
	Senior or junior?
	Junior. The current president at the time.
	I look back at it fondly.
	It's interesting to see.
	I was glad I got to go.
	Don't appreciate him as a president, but it was still...
	As a painter?
	Yeah. That's a different...
	That's another story.
	As a guy who can get a foot pick in there?
	Have you all ever seen...
	You guys are going to go see Bernie Sanders on Wednesday?
	Yeah, future President Bernie Sanders.
	Hell yeah.
	Oh, that sucks that we all laughed about it.
	I know.
	Oh, man.
	That actually hurts really bad.
	I think AOC will be president.
	AOC, well, maybe.
	Who knows?
	I think she will.
	She's going to be there, so that'd be interesting.
	That's going to be a fun time, yeah.
	Any energy around a large political figure, you know, it's kind of exciting and it's a cool experience to participate in.
	I get it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But if I was taking kids with them, I'd ditch them immediately.
	Cool. All right.
	Right on.
	President Clinton said a few things that were really important, and I turned around and Sean was asleep.
	Uh-oh.
	Boring. Politics fucking suck.
	Hit me with that Beck jackass right there.
	I love that song.
	Oh, I don't have my board set up, but I definitely have.
	Driving along with the sea.
	I don't even know if the lyrics are right, but that's like that song, Jackass Beck.
	Oh, that's what that was.
	You guys, the second week in a row, you and Dennis have talked about Beck.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Weirdly, it's been coming up on my...
	Spotify this last couple of weeks, so I've been hitting a little Odele in there.
	You know, it's been a lot of fun.
	Sure. Cool.
	Good record.
	Great record, actually.
	I give it a perfect 10, honestly.
	I give Scientology 10 out of 10 as well.
	Cool. Yeah, and this is before I knew that.
	And I got that CD for Easter, actually, speaking of.
	Kind of fun.
	Yeah. We see Sean falls asleep during the address that Bill Clinton's giving the children, and then later on in the evening, Sean and Cyrus ditch the kids and the rest of the house and go party.
	Cool. The cast wakes up and basically just leaves them in Philly as they're getting towards the train station.
	Yeah, get fucked.
	Okay. So I'm sure you know what's going down.
	I'll give you the topic.
	Alcohol. I want to know if you drank anything in front of the kids.
	Oh, no.
	Didn't taste the thing?
	Nope. Didn't taste it.
	Yeah, cool.
	Then you're all set.
	Cyrus was pretty much in the clear.
	He wasn't really involved in this whole incident at all.
	Did you at any time over the course of the weekend, while in the presence or caring for children, drink alcohol?
	Yeah. Taste one.
	You drank in front of the kids.
	I personally had one of the sample glasses.
	Did at any time the kids taste any alcohol?
	That was the other thing.
	I was saying something to Cyrus, and I heard,"Ew, gross!" And I see that Jeffrey, at that time, had a glass of wine in his hand, and they had both sipped it.
	And at that point, I took it away from him.
	I was like,"What are you doing?" And they're like,"Well, you know, you picked one up." It blows my mind that they tasted alcohol.
	It blows my mind.
	Ah, would they not care?
	I could lose my license for that.
	I feel really bad.
	I feel...
	Like, I've let people down.
	Am I going to be done here?
	If you do come back, I have to make things a little...
	change things around with it.
	I need 110%.
	You have five weeks to turn this around, and you can do it.
	No, I know I can.
	I'll give you 110%.
	But I honestly think that, in your case, that's the most serious of the three.
	Sean and Cyrus actually didn't have children with them that actually consumed...
	Alcohol. So what I need to do is keep you on suspension, and I'll call it tomorrow.
	Right. Okay?
	I guess I didn't know one.
	I love that song.
	So she's in more trouble than Cyrus?
	Cyrus, yeah.
	Because the kids that she was with accidentally took a small glass of wine.
	Yeah, one of them drank alcohol under her watch.
	But Sean and Cyrus weren't even there.
	Yeah, they just dipped on him, so there was less coverage.
	I don't know.
	And because there was less coverage, maybe Montana here didn't see the child drinking alcohol or have alcohol in their hands.
	So as we just heard, Sean and Cyrus get away sort of scot-free from being doinks on the trip here with the kids, ditching their responsibilities, while Montana is, I guess, letting kids drink
	alcohol when her back's turned not letting them but you know i'm talking about the rest of the roommates are like taking their responsibilities very seriously and you kind of see the dichotomy of like the who is taking the responsibility and like who's showing up for the kids and it's definitely not uh
	shot or cyrus or montana while the rest of them are like letting the kids meet like political figures and one of the cool ones for them is they uh she got ll cool j to come stop in and like shake hands and take pictures with all the kids.
	Man.
	I just sort of had a revelation that if I don't make something happen right now in the next couple days...
	You know, I'm going to give these kids nothing and my time in East Boston was wasted.
	I need to log by Monday.
	I'm starting this program on Monday with my kids.
	We have a pool.
	I've got to make this happen for the kids or else I'm a total turd ball.
	Okay. All right.
	I see where we were at.
	Oh, did I fuck a clip?
	No, no, no.
	That might have been one of the ones, but it doesn't matter.
	Like, if we don't have the LL Cool J clip, it doesn't matter.
	LL Cool J is very cool to the kids.
	They, like, high-five.
	He's happy to do it.
	These guys sort of just, again, talk, I think, more briefly about they don't care or whatever.
	No, I think it's all good.
	It doesn't matter.
	All right.
	Okay. So then, anyway, we just heard Sean.
	He's talking about, you know, I've been here for six months.
	I haven't done a damn thing for these kids.
	So I better get this log.
	As we mentioned in the first episode, he's a competitive log roller and he does sort of these Highland games, sort of like axe-throwing things.
	That's what Sean does outside of the real world.
	He needs to talk to Hegseth and give him some tips.
	And that's interesting because...
	Well, we'll find out.
	Time is funny, Byron.
	Anyway, we see Sean with the kids.
	They're in the pool.
	He's got the log for him.
	They're kind of messing with the log a little bit.
	It seems difficult.
	He's trying to explain it to them.
	This is not something that you're going to get overnight.
	And this seems to be the only time that they really did this.
	The whole season.
	So he got them a log and then maybe like left the log at the community pool that they were using.
	Like we're talking wooden log.
	Yeah. He's put in a pool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're standing on it and they're trying to all like synchronize their run to keep above the water.
	Basically. Sounds like turd ball behavior.
	It's very too little too late.
	Whatever. He probably can pat himself on the back.
	I got him this log that they're never going to see again.
	And then finally with episode 22. The crash out.
	Previously on The Real World.
	I personally don't appreciate it.
	When black men stayed outside of their race.
	Called her a bitch.
	You admit, you walk around here with a lot of attitude.
	That's because I can do that!
	Don't call me a bitch again.
	Don't give me attitude again.
	Okay, well then we're gonna have a problem.
	I found a note written by Camila.
	And on the note was a few things or a few thoughts that Camila had in relationship to some members of the house.
	Exhibit A, the note.
	She left it face up in the bathroom for, like, three and a half hours.
	Or she wanted to leave it there on purpose.
	Right, so we'd see it.
	And to see what we would do with it.
	But that's a pretty sad way to convey your thoughts.
	Pretty passive-aggressive.
	I wanted to give you your note here before anybody else found it and read it.
	Oh, thanks.
	You're welcome.
	Did you read it?
	Uh, yeah, I said it.
	Didn't want anybody else to see it, though.
	Did you show it to anyone?
	Uh, yeah, actually, Montana and I took a look at it.
	Guys, I don't understand you people.
	What's that?
	I don't understand you people.
	Yeah, I don't understand you're leaving notes like that around, Camila.
	I didn't mean to leave it around, obviously.
	Well, you should be more careful when you write stuff like that.
	I hate this house.
	What makes seven of us?
	I'm serious.
	I wrote a note that, uh, I guess I left it in the bathroom.
	I remember John took it by himself to read it and show it to Montana.
	Why? Because he's an app.
	And then, this is what he does.
	We're all sitting in there, and Sean's like,"Camila, found this note.
	might want to watch where you put things and I'm like, ew, don't come at me like I'm crazy when you're reading my stuff.
	music
	Hell yeah.
	My actual roommate is starting to really bug me.
	Like, I live with Sean, and he's like the whitest white boy I've ever met.
	The first black person he's been a friend with is, one, my roommate Cyrus, and then me.
	Like, we're the only two black people he knows.
	And I don't think it's fair for me to have to live here and be his roommate and spend all of my time teaching him about black people and blackness, you know, whatever.
	I'm tired of being everybody's teacher, you know what I mean?
	Sorry to shoot out the doctor.
	Camila still had that whole point of view of the black and white issue.
	The blacks are the king and the queen of society.
	She said that?
	The virus!
	That is the mentality of the white man of the 1850s, that we are the king race, and we're going to put the black man in slavery.
	She wants to have that racism right now, and that same mentality for the black people against the white people now in 1997.
	Are you sure she said that?
	Did you hear her say that?
	No, no, no, I didn't.
	Cyrus told me this.
	If I said the white man and the white woman were the king and queen of humanity and the king and queen of society, oh my god, I'd catch major hell.
	That's the master race kind of thought.
	That's what Hitler thought.
	That would be absolutely, completely asinine and, like, against everything that she actually truly believes.
	Well, then you need to ask her about that.
	It really freaks me off.
	You and Sean get along well, huh?
	No, we don't.
	How can we live together?
	Very easily, because it gets on my last nerve.
	To Sean, I'm like black woman.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm not Camila.
	It's, oh, you don't like me because I'm white.
	The issue is Camila not liking Sean, not Camila not liking all white people, you know?
	He never wants to look at himself.
	And say, maybe I'm the problem.
	Because it's like, he's too perfect, you know?
	Thank you guys.
	All your personalities.
	We're so different.
	We're so different.
	Clash. And there's times when I say the whole bunch of you, that whole house needs an enema.
	Because you really do.
	We do.
	You really do.
	Let me touch your hair again.
	Sean! Come on, man.
	Isn't it just like the geekiest shit?
	It's just like the most pencil neck ass, like, I don't know.
	But the growth around society, this layer that just, we can't kick it.
	Well, I don't think we'll ever be able to kick it because I think there's a lot of people who just have a really hard time understanding that the life that they live is not the life that everybody lives.
	They're also not the main character.
	Yeah, of course not.
	But I'm Sean and I'm seeing myself on TV, on MTV.
	Sure. What do you mean I'm not the main character?
	I'm the lead.
	I'm clearly the lead.
	I'm about to have another crash out.
	I'm really paranoid about walking into the house and, like, having all that anger and all those mad, mean emotions coming back.
	I said that last season we're the master race.
	The master race of humanity.
	I don't think I've ever said anything like that.
	I feel like in a way you're prejudiced towards.
	White people.
	As a black person living in the United States, how do I have room to be prejudiced?
	I'm trying to wonder why you had this total negative vibe towards interracial relationships.
	What is wrong with me, as a black woman, wanting to be with a black man because he can appreciate my lips and my skin and my body and my hair?
	What's wrong with that?
	That's so racial right there, what you said.
	Why is it so wrong for me to deal in terms of race?
	Don't think that when I don't walk around, people don't see black Camila.
	Like, if I really was prejudiced and didn't like white people, why didn't I say that in January and, like, prefer to share a room with Cyrus?
	Why would I be rooming with a white man?
	Why is Genesis my girl?
	Why do I hang out with Jason?
	I've tried to experience Camila.
	Like, been open to Camila and what she does.
	If you don't step outside yourself and try to do that with me, and try to share yourself with me...
	We don't have a relationship.
	Every time I walk into a room, every time I'm in some type of discussion, Camila turns in to the spokesperson for the entire black consciousness of the United States of America, and I don't have time to be anyone's teacher,
	to be anyone's representative of the entire black nation.
	I can't do that.
	You're the one who's placing the bricks on the wall, like building the wall right here, putting bricks on there.
	Why would I sit there?
	Because it's like built up and you're the one who's doing it.
	I'm not letting you in my life, not because I don't like you, not because I don't think that your opinion is valuable, but because that's one less person I don't want there.
	Never do you initiate a conversation.
	Never do you initiate a hello.
	We don't talk, and it's like we have no bond, we have no communication.
	He never said thank you once.
	Screw it!
	I'm saying that in terms of certain issues, I don't want you in my life.
	There's no relationship here for the last month and a half.
	There's going to be no relationship.
	What's wrong with that?
	We have nothing together.
	That's fine.
	The relationship is over.
	No. They broke up.
	What's most wild is I believe that they were sharing a room together because they were the last two people there, so they kind of just got bunked together.
	I forgot they'd pick the room when they'd show up.
	Pick what?
	They'd pick the room when they showed up.
	The diligent people would get the best room.
	I'm sure it was scheduled.
	Yeah, he's going to say that's interesting.
	They all have producer rides and everything.
	Sorry you were late.
	You fucking drove me, bro.
	Yeah, you literally booked the car.
	This is interesting because it really highlights...
	She's basically saying, like, I can't bear the burden of responsibility in explaining the black experience to you, man.
	And if that's the majority of our relationship, I'd rather just not participate.
	Yeah, I don't want to do that work because it's not going to pay off.
	That sounds fair.
	She told him exactly what it was, and he was like, you're just putting up bricks!
	Yeah. It's just like...
	The inability to articulate his own point, his counter to this, right?
	This just becomes more of the same...
	You don't know how to have this conversation.
	What's being said to you?
	It's not something you've considered.
	It's so racial.
	That's the commentary.
	It's fine to talk about race.
	Talking about race is not racist.
	It needs to happen if you want to understand what other races experience.
	It's just like, no, instead...
	I'm the victim.
	Relationship's over.
	I mean, to a certain degree, I'm going to give some leeway to these real-world cast members because they are in their 20s, and I know if I was in their 20s on a reality show, I'd be looking like a full-blown dipshit as well.
	Now, let me ask you this.
	What if you were in your 40s and you had birthed Avita Duffy?
	Well, we're not quite there yet.
	Okay, well, I'm saying, like, I'm judging him...
	Based on now, yeah.
	No, and that's what I was going to continue to say, that, yeah.
	I mean, it's pretty...
	Yeah, I mean, we all had dumb ideas when we were younger, and we all made dumb mistakes.
	But usually they weren't surrounding race.
	Yeah, well, they weren't so, like, core foundations.
	Like, I've never once...
	I told a black person that they didn't understand their experience as well as I did.
	Because you have extended DirecTV where you have BET channel too.
	No, I don't.
	The digital prime package.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I have black entertainment television in my house.
	I understand blackness.
	The black experience, yeah.
	Yeah, no, I don't.
	That's ridiculous.
	But I do know that if a black person tried to tell me about their experience, I'd know I'd know more than them.
	And I think that's Sean's position here.
	It is.
	I mean, so maybe he's right.
	So you guys stopped being friends?
	Why? What happened?
	She told me I didn't understand what it was like to be black.
	We've met Rachel and we've met Sean.
	Do you guys want to know how they met?
	I assume.
	I guess it's the real world road rules challenge.
	In fact, it was Road Rules All-Stars here, actually.
	Yeah, the 10th spot coming back, correct, if you can believe it.
	The Road Rules All-Stars, this is putting all of our friends back from the previous seasons together.
	We've got Rachel from Season 3, we've got Sean from Season 6. They brought Puck back as well.
	Puck describes himself as Mr. Big.
	And he puts them on the voice notes and telling them where they have to go next, basically.
	There are people from real world Here we go,
	Hey, Sean, rock and roll, baby.
	Pack up all our gear, we're on our way now.
	Ha ha ha!
	I love your attitude, baby.
	We gotta get the right key, though.
	Pack the ball, I'll give her on our way now.
	On our way now.
	On our way now.
	It's getting worse every day.
	Yes, it is.
	So I think that they were instructed to...
	To get a song on the radio or something like that.
	They do things like go work at Hot Dog on a Stick in Los Angeles.
	They're in New Zealand, like, shearing sheep for a little bit.
	They do, like, a wall climb down, like, one of the biggest buildings in New Zealand.
	But they only get the money if everyone does it, and everyone does it.
	Anyway, so the very end of the season, I think that this is a confessional pulled from...
	What, it was like episode 8 or 10 or something like that?
	It was deep in the season, but I think it was on Sean's way out.
	Spoiler alert, right?
	Actually, I didn't know.
	The best of clip that I found for this season, I couldn't find it on Paramount, so I found this and it seemed to just be like the biggest hits per episode or something.
	If that's all it ever is, that's fine, because I've enjoyed my time with Rachel and the little bit of kissing that may have went on.
	It's been a good time.
	And so that's it.
	It's a nice time.
	Thanks, Rachel.
	It's kind of sweet.
	Yeah, so they met and that was in 1998 that season was shot and the flash forward to October 1999, Arvida is born.
	First of the nine Duffy Campos family.
	That's a quick marriage.
	You got the sound effect?
	For the shotgun?
	Oh no.
	I don't have that.
	Shotgun wedding!
	That's quick.
	So they met in 98. Like a middle end of 98, yeah.
	Middle end of 98. Yeah, it was pretty quick.
	That means a veto was conceived.
	Beginning of 99. October 99. But she was conceived in January 99. Right at the top of the year.
	New Year's baby.
	That's quick!
	It is quick.
	That's three months.
	Three to six months.
	And then a baby.
	And now she's a legend.
	A conservative legend.
	A conservative legend.
	With bad cable management.
	Okay. What I thought was most interesting is actually where we catch up with Evita here is that she's...
	Basically the same age as her parents when we were first introduced to them.
	We might see more.
	More Duffies in our future.
	Yeah, very well could be more Duffos, Campos.
	Campos, Duffies, I guess, in our future.
	Sean, after the real world, lived his lawyer dreams.
	He wanted to be a lawyer.
	And eventually became the DA of Ashland County, Wisconsin, if you can believe it.
	Even after he took that position, he appeared in like...
	Two or three more seasons of the Road Rules Challenge.
	As a DA.
	As a DA for the Ashland County, Wisconsin, yeah.
	This is not legal, what's going on here.
	It stops everything.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Calling it out.
	We're taking this to trial.
	You're out of your jurisdiction, sir.
	And then, what's the guy's name?
	TJ Levitt.
	TJ Levitt jumps in with his arms that he can't really raise up past the...
	Yeah, because he's injured.
	Yeah. So Sean's doing some more seasons of The Road Rules while Rachel tried out for The View in 1999.
	Oh, nice.
	Conservatives love The View now.
	Yeah, well, they love talking about it at least.
	There's only a couple slots for conservatives on The View, though.
	Maybe that was Debbie Matanopoulos.
	I don't really know what her part was on that show, but Rachel did an on-air tryout against now CBS's own Lisa Ling.
	Who won the competition.
	And the media darling herself, Lauren Sanchez, who is Jeff Bezos' current fiancée.
	Wow. Weird in there.
	Rachel didn't make it.
	No, Rachel didn't make it.
	Lisa Ling won 2002.
	Ling left.
	Rachel tried again to take her spot, and she went up against Will and Grace walk-on Aaron Presley and survivors Elizabeth Hasselbeck.
	Who won?
	A Survivor contestant won Spot on the View?
	Yeah. Okay.
	Did she win it by doing Survivor?
	Yeah, she stood on a platform for seven hours holding a coconut above her head.
	That's crazy.
	What's the prize?
	You're going to be on the View.
	What? 2003.
	I'm just going to hit you guys with a timeline here.
	Sean got some work for ESPN doing some color commentary for the great outdoors games.
	More logs stuff.
	Dogs. I love logs.
	Axes. I don't know.
	Maybe they're doing some...
	Tents. Does it have the guys with the knives who chop the wood?
	They chop aggressively and then go to the station and chop aggressively again?
	Those might just be knife competitions, but where they chop the rope in three spots.
	Yeah, I guess that is just knife, not outdoor.
	Same spirit of the wild there.
	Sure. Partner logging competitions.
	And so they're doing work on media stuff.
	In 2009, Sean Anastas campaigned for Congress in Wisconsin's 7th Congressional District.
	I want to thank all of you for coming out today.
	I know it's a hot Wednesday afternoon, 1.30.
	There's a lot of places that you could be, but that you're here for this announcement means so much.
	Thank you all for coming out.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Before we get started, I want to take a moment and quickly introduce you to my family, for those who don't know.
	I have five children.
	My oldest is right here, Evita.
	She's nine.
	And then my oldest...
	A little applause for Evita.
	A little applause for Evita.
	He pronounces Evita.
	Yeah. Interesting focus.
	Okay. Evita.
	Evita? How do you do it?
	Evita. Evita.
	It's good.
	We should get our name right.
	Evita. We just matter.
	On November 2nd, 2010, Sean won his election.
	Congratulations, Sean.
	Congress. Real world to Congress pipeline.
	Very narrow.
	You think Puck's going to be like a sec def someday?
	I'm going to do a side episode on Puck and find out where Puck's at now.
	And then I'm going to follow up and find out where Jesse Camp is.
	Alright, so Jared's gone.
	He just now does a podcast.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We're just talking about old MTV personalities.
	I bet we can get Dave Holmes to do that show.
	Oh man, that'd be fun.
	He's really great.
	So Sean wins and then in March 2011 Sean attended a Polk County Republican Public Town Hall style meeting in his district.
	In the video following the passage of the state bill which would have effectively frozen the salaries of state employees Duffy was asked about whether he would
	be willing to cut his own $174,000 salary.
	Well, me?
	Duffy responds that he would not only be willing to do so, but as a part of a general round of salary cuts for government employees and insisted that he was struggling to get by, despite his salary being nearly three times the average for Wisconsin's residents.
	Gotta spend the money you earn, I guess.
	We've got five kids at the time, man.
	About too many four-wheelers.
	Maybe six.
	How will I pay for my side-by-sides?
	And I got a wife, my wife, who's going into 2013 going back to try out for The Fucking View again.
	Take a hint.
	Take a hint.
	Stop. We gotta keep flying to New York.
	How do I pay for her when she keeps losing to Jenny Fucking McCarthy?
	Oh, no, which it does appear that she did in July 2013.
	The anti-vax.
	Godmother herself, yeah.
	Damn. Wow.
	What a loss.
	So in 2015, Sean was on a select investigative panel for Planned Parenthood.
	This is, you guys probably remember, the Center for Medical Progress secretly filming the Planned Parenthood folks and said that they were selling fetal skin tissue.
	Yeah, where they would send in people who would ask repeated dumb questions.
	Can I buy arms?
	It's so many times that eventually employees would just go, yeah, sure.
	And then they'd say, got him.
	Got him.
	And so we're still kind of dealing with that on this show sometimes too, right?
	Like we're seeing that being sort of the way.
	This is how we do journalism for our friends on the internet, I guess.
	In 2017, Sean is supporting the Muslim ban and voted to end protection for the Grey Wolves.
	It's a good thing we got dire wolves now.
	We need great wolves.
	We got a bigger and badder...
	Bigger, cooler one.
	Yeah, so suck on that, Sean.
	In July 2018, Sean said, Europe, China, Canada, Mexico, they had all committed economic terrorism, dot, dot, dot, in a way, kinda, by placing retaliatory tariffs on the U.S. in response to tariffs enacted by the Trump administration.
	2018. 2018.
	Back at it again with the white veins.
	And now they're $60 more expensive.
	Damn, Daniel!
	All while that was going on, Rachel, she made an appearance on the Laura Ingraham show, The Ingraham Angle.
	Rachel made waves in saying that she had talked to the blacks and they said detention centers were better than the projects that they had grown up in.
	Oh no.
	In regards to the immigrant families crossing into Trump's concentration camp situations.
	On the southern border.
	In 2019, Sean resigns because he and Rachel's ninth child was born with a heart defect.
	Nine! They need to take two vehicles anytime they travel.
	They actually talked about that in this other thing that I saw where they went to go get COVID tested and Sean had to take all of the kids and then Rachel took one child in a Suburban and then he took the other Suburban with eight kids.
	Interesting. Briefly, then after going into 2019, Sean is serving on CNN's color commentary team, and he is delivering debunked conspiracies about the Trump-Ukraine scandal and the missing DNC servers.
	The first one?
	Yeah. The impeachment one?
	Okay. And he claims the DNC servers were at the heart of the investigation.
	And then, of course, COVID happens.
	We're both taking pills.
	Supplements. Supplements, right.
	And I'm diligent.
	So I take them in the morning.
	I take them at night.
	I take out Rachel's pills and go morning and night.
	She will skip the morning.
	She'll skip a whole day.
	She's like, I don't like taking pills.
	So my sickness, I think, was longer because I wasn't taking supplements.
	But also, get to the point.
	I took hydroxychloroquine, right?
	Rachel did.
	And there was a little fight about that because I made a big production.
	I have a bottle of, I'm going to take hydroxychloroquine.
	Here we go.
	And she was...
	But I thought he was talking about this.
	So I was on this.
	And she ever said, I want to take it too.
	I took it.
	She didn't.
	I thought she knew I was doing it.
	She didn't.
	She says she didn't know I was doing it.
	And oh, after the symptoms, she was not happy.
	I was mad.
	I was mad because I didn't realize he was taking the real deal.
	Even though I knew it was in the house, I thought he was just taking the same thing as me because he was divvying out the supplements and everything.
	Anyway, long story short.
	Well, she didn't take anyway.
	Long story short.
	Hydroxychloroquine. Now you know what we find about.
	Supplements. Hydroxychloroquine.
	It was amazing for me.
	I think, again, I took it...
	You were sick like only three hours.
	I mean, truly sick three hours.
	That's it.
	Three hours?
	Yeah, everyone else suffering for ten days at least.
	Even though he had it clearly in the house and said he was taking it, he was the only one that took it?
	She didn't know?
	Out of the...
	11 people in this house?
	You know, I mean, I can relate to that because in my house, my wife, she just takes a...
	I give her a cocktail of mystery pills every morning and I go, time for your pills!
	This is morning pills and she sometimes takes them, sometimes doesn't.
	Sometimes I gotta put them in food.
	Well, cool.
	I'm glad that he had access to hydroxychloroquine though because it does...
	Everyone knows one single test is all you need for a scientific result.
	Yes. Exactly.
	That's why.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	Most important thing.
	The most important evidence.
	Yeah. This is how you do tests.
	This is science.
	This is the method.
	And this is how you win.
	I've also, I mean, I've had personal experience with people I know who have taken ivermectin after experiencing COVID-19.
	And then going into living failure.
	And I think that they're...
	No. I think that there's a conservative placebo effect that amplifies the effects of these things because they wish to be the people who publicly brag about how well these things work.
	Yeah, well, I think that drives a lot of people to be able to want this.
	I was only sick for three hours.
	Well, I was only sick for two and a half hours, and I took twice as much horse paste.
	And they get really excited about it.
	And, you know, also, sometimes, like, the last round of COVID, when it hit my folks, my dad was very sick, and my mom wasn't even sick at all.
	That's because your mom took hydroxychloroquine, right?
	She did, and that's the whole point of this.
	Nice. Okay, cool.
	She was on clear.
	It actually doesn't work.
	She was on Exlear, and now she didn't even have any symptoms.
	But, yeah, this is bullshit.
	It's stupid.
	And it's on their Facebook page.
	So, very cool stuff.
	And this is, like, right at the very sort of beginning.
	I want to say, what was this?
	Maybe August of 2020 when the clip came from?
	Oh, damn.
	Yeah, so...
	Kind of at the beginning of...
	Actually, December 2020 is when it was.
	Even before that?
	Wow. And so the Campos Duffy's family, they primed themselves to being available for America's prying eyes on the conservative channels.
	And I think this gave us a glimpse and a clue about who Vita is.
	Can I say it normal now?
	Did I say it?
	I don't want to sound like a fucking idiot every time I say it.
	It's my problem.
	Because it just doesn't sound right coming out of my mouth.
	Evita! It makes me sound like I'm doing a patois, but I'm not really trying to.
	I'm just trying to think.
	But then I accidentally start talking like I'm freaking Speedy Gonzalez or something.
	Slip into a Hank's patois.
	Avita is getting eyes on her from her parents at this point, doing drop-ins on the Duffy House podcast.
	I think maybe The Federalist was helping push that out.
	I want to say when I was looking for it on YouTube, it showed up as a Fox News embed.
	You know, I didn't take that deep, but I would imagine they would paywall.
	Yeah, yeah, and it was paywalled by, I want to say it was Fox or The Federalist, one of the two.
	This picks us back up where we sort of started with The Federalist anyhow.
	Evita having a podcast with her dear papa.
	The title?
	From X to Z. Some riveting commentary from the Generation X talking to the Generation Z conservative family household members.
	They seem to have been enjoying, during the lockdown, Netflix's own revitalization of the Karate Kid, Cobra Kai.
	They're now bringing karate to a new generation of young people.
	And what I think as a father, I'm going to kick it to you in a second, what I think as a father is...
	They're teaching the lessons that they learned as a young person and how that lesson has then developed into what they're teaching these new generations of kids.
	And some of the lessons are really great and some of them you're like, hmm, is that what they learned from this experience?
	But that's what we do as parents.
	We take our life experience, the good and the bad, and try to share those lessons with our kids and with young people.
	So I love the first two seasons of Cobra Kai.
	What's the first three of the third season?
	So why did you like Cobra Kai and what's your problem with the third season that came out on Netflix?
	So I think similar to you, you know, I loved it for all those reasons, but I think something really important is that we see a lot of remakes these days.
	A lot of times people are trying to rehash old stuff that people loved and just kind of play off the nostalgia.
	Nostalgia? For the next like 30 minutes she just keeps saying nostalgia.
	Oh no.
	Nostalgia, nostalgia, nostalgia.
	So I only wanted to point that out.
	I like him talking about how parenting is sharing your old experiences.
	Yeah. He's like, yeah, like when I was...
	When I was young and racist on Real World, and I'm passing that on now to my children.
	Well, it just seemed like that might be the trajectory, right?
	One of the problems that I noticed in it was that, one, things had gotten very silly.
	The karate kicks and punches to the face were kind of ridiculous.
	It had already kind of been walking the line in the second season and kind of just got way overdone.
	And the third, and things just got too unbelievable.
	Something that was really great about the first two seasons was that they...
	They really kind of, you know, played off this kind of, like, funny, like...
	Poking fun at woke politics is kind of what Johnny did.
	He was kind of like, I'm going to teach you how to be a man to Miguel Diaz, who was kind of like the main character of the first two seasons.
	And he kind of just told him to stop playing on your phone.
	Get out there, start doing karate, stand up for yourself.
	And still kind of made some maybe not so PC comments, but it was kind of endearing.
	Phones are woke.
	Phones are so woke, dude.
	Phones are, and they're not even, no, they're more than just woke there.
	Cobra Kai was trying to do.
	They're feminine.
	Excuse me?
	Yeah. If you're a guy who plays on his phone, you're trans.
	You're well on your way.
	You have an Instagram account, probably for your first Sona.
	Yeah, all these woke messages that Cobra Kai's trying to get across.
	Definitely. I've never seen the new Cobra Kai.
	I haven't either.
	But I do imagine that it probably wasn't...
	Men aren't on their phones.
	It's a show about karate.
	They're not playing Bellatro?
	I wish they were playing Bellatro.
	So, of course, the plot is someone's like, hey, you should be working on the art of karate.
	Yeah, get off your phone because that's irresponsible.
	We're here to learn.
	You little soy boy.
	Yeah, someone got called a cock.
	Someone got called a soy boy.
	I thought they would like that, though.
	Yikes. All right.
	In the third season, it kind of seems like when you talk about getting out of hand, girls are now able to, you know, beat the crap out of a guy who definitely outweighs her by 30 pounds.
	And that's kind of like unbelievable.
	And I think kind of playing into this maybe wokeness in the third season that we didn't see in the first two, which is just, it's just kind of, it's just kind of disappointing.
	It makes it not as enjoyable to watch because that was so, so funny and interesting about the first two that they weren't kind of playing into this kind of wokeness.
	Well, I think you're right.
	So if you look at the woke culture and what studios have to now promote to be accepted is that boys aren't stronger than girls.
	Girls are as strong or stronger than boys, and so the superhero, the strongest one, is the girl who's kicking the snot out of all the boys.
	And girls can fight.
	Like, I'm not saying that they shouldn't.
	It's just that, like, it's not really believable.
	If I'm going to fight with a guy who outweighs me by 35 pounds, I'm not going to win.
	But can I fight another girl, and can I fight maybe a guy who's at a similar level as I am, and maybe I'd win?
	Sure, but it's just, you know, I don't know.
	But that's not politically correct.
	You can't say that.
	These guys have really riveting opinions about this show.
	So the third season is both woke and anti-woke.
	Let's pay you all this.
	This is the good stuff.
	This is the stuff that people should be paying for.
	Fuck. So when the girl became strong and powerful, I knew that was unrealistic.
	Yeah, and I guess that maybe if they were outskilled...
	The man, I guess, but it's just, I don't know, she says it all right there.
	It's just like, you eat your point at the end of this.
	Eat your own face on this one.
	Someone who's skilled, more skilled than another person, especially in combat sports, like, you can go on YouTube right now and see women beat the shit out of dudes all day long in the MMA situation or otherwise, like,
	whatever. Nothing needs to be said about this.
	I wish she could recognize the fact that she feels that way because society's told her she's weak forever.
	Yeah. There's just no way that you could outpower a man in any situation.
	You're a woman.
	It's unbelievable.
	It's an act of God if you were able to do that.
	Never mind that there's things like fucking Krav Maga where it's just like, here, you jump through the stool.
	Foot first, and crush this guy's larynx while you're in the process of it, you know, and then beat him with the stool.
	There are equalizers, and sometimes skill are the equalizers, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
	So yes, Dennis Riveting, a commentary from the Duffy.
	Family. And the show's like number 10 on the iTunes charts, right?
	Yeah, it's probably like...
	Very good.
	I don't know if they're still doing it anymore, but, you know.
	Oh, no, I don't think so.
	If it were, you could only imagine those numbers.
	And then we move from...
	That was, what, the early 2021, I want to say.
	Then later in the year 2021, our mama here, Rachel, she's selected to the Fox and Friends permanent weekend co-anchor alongside with our new secretary of defense, old Ginny Two Sips himself, Pete Hegseth.
	Wow, great.
	That's a man who will teach you how to throw an axe.
	Well, that's what we were saying.
	He's a guy who can show you how to party in a really specific type of way.
	And I think that Sean could probably, like you said earlier, give him some lessons on how to be an outdoorsy kind of like...
	Superhero. Log roll.
	Throw the axe.
	In 2022, then Sean, he's named the co-host of The Bottom Line with Dagan McDowell for Fox Business.
	They're just making up names.
	I've never heard of this show.
	Fox Business is also part of the premium offerings off of digital cable.
	If you have BET2, you also have Fox Business in there.
	Fox Business is only on in-country club waiting rooms and nothing else.
	Avita, though?
	Avita? Well, she's right on her way, honey.
	Avita began doing corresponding gigs on Fox& Friends around 2022, tackling things like abortion or things like cancel culture.
	But a new Wall Street Journal op-ed is going to fight back for us, saying, quote, don't let ideologues steal Thanksgiving.
	Yeah, here to react is University of Chicago student and managing editor of the Chicago Thinker, Avita Duffy.
	Good morning, Avita.
	I'm sure you see this unfortunate line of thinking on your college campus all day.
	Yeah, I mean, it's such a good question, and it seems so confusing to most of us who love America and who love this holiday.
	You know, the line that Thanksgiving is a symbol of genocide is a flat-out lie.
	Thanksgiving, it's the staple of...
	Over 50 years of peace between the Wampanoags and the pilgrims.
	People die all the time.
	They sacrifice everything to get to the United States of America.
	We have a wonderful country.
	And I think that the left...
	Trying to smear this holiday not only shows a lot of ingratitude, but I think if I'm going to use one of their own words, it shows a lot of privilege.
	Thanksgiving became a national holiday in 1863 by Abraham Lincoln, and that was the bloodiest year in the Civil War.
	And similarly, today we live in another time of great divide in our country, and Thanksgiving could be an opportunity for us to come together and think about what we're grateful for despite everything else.
	That's happening in the world, and unfortunately, they've decided to use it to divide us even more.
	Jesus Christ.
	You know, she has a point.
	Thanksgiving, that's when I like to talk politics with my family.
	Yeah, it's a good time.
	And come together with politics.
	No, it's funny.
	So I mentioned that I was in Oklahoma last week.
	I was at a couple estate sales and some other flea market type situations, and I found a shirt on the ground at this place.
	It said...
	What was it?
	Trump's Giving?
	Oh no.
	I think it said, no, no, pardon me.
	It had a picture of a yellow pie and it said Trumpkin Pie.
	And I let it go and then I found myself wide awake, middle of the night, staring straight up being like, I should have got that fucking Trumpkin Pie shirt.
	Yeah, you should have.
	Because who shows up to Like, who shows up at Thanksgiving at the Trumpkin pie shirt?
	Did it have his face, like, in the pie, kind of, you know?
	Yeah, I'll find an image of it at some point.
	That's wild.
	Wonderful. And also, I feel like we've covered this topic.
	I don't remember the exact episode.
	But these are Stephen Crowder talking points, saying that Thanksgiving is actually not celebrating genocide.
	It's celebrating 50 years of peace between the Wampanoags and the settlers.
	Like, why was there peace?
	Was it because we brutally conquered them and then stuck them on reservations?
	Well, then there's everything afterwards, too, and what it represents after Thanksgiving as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Of course.
	The not following through with the treaties that we signed, the genocide afterwards, all this stuff.
	Yeah, it's just...
	It's peace because the whites weren't dying.
	That's why it's peace.
	Okay. So that's Evita talking about American holiday.
	My controversial...
	Thanksgiving topic.
	Yeah? Get rid of the turkey, bring in the lobster.
	No, fuck lobster, prime rib.
	I've heard a lot of people really enjoy ham these days.
	I, myself, I like to pop a couple Cornish game heads.
	I'm a prime rib guy.
	I did prime rib for Christmas.
	My first one I've cooked.
	I've spent the last three Thanksgivings in Japan.
	It's kind of fun.
	And, yeah, so we were talking abortion, cancel culture, and, of course, hollering.
	At her all-pink-wearing hydroxychloroquine taking Mother on live television.
	We always talk about following the science, but people haven't been taking into account the human and emotional costs that these lockdowns have had on young people.
	We know now that rising rates of suicide, depression, anxiety in young people has been dramatically affected by these COVID lockdowns.
	So it's really, and now kids are more likely to die from suicide than they are from COVID-19.
	So this is really anti-science behavior.
	It's actually, and it's a complete disregard for this human and emotional cost.
	That comes with it.
	I have one small question on the way out.
	Did you text about what color you were going to wear?
	No, not at all.
	I just want to make sure this wasn't coordinated.
	Great minds think alike.
	Yeah, that's right, girl!
	I love you, Vida.
	So they were all wearing pink.
	Hey, I hear what you're saying, but did you and your mom text about wearing pink today?
	Hey, you did make a couple of points about rising suicide rates, but did you know you're looking really pretty today?
	Yeah. I mean, yeah, it makes sense.
	Good work, boys.
	Sometimes you get the push, and sometimes you get the push exactly right where you want to be, I guess, huh?
	Yes. So around anyhow this time, Avita got engaged, and then she got married to Michael Alfonso, and their wedding was attended by basically every Republican you've ever seen, including the Don himself.
	Like, everyone was there.
	This was truly the Republican who's who.
	Of the current party.
	They were all at her wedding.
	Was 4G auto blow there?
	He was outside, dude.
	He's not important enough.
	He was in the overflow area.
	He was shooting a video around all their drivers outside.
	Trump! Let me in!
	Picture Donald that came out from this is very unflattering and it's actually surprising that they haven't scrubbed it off the internet.
	Maybe we can refine that again.
	Oh, I've seen worse pictures of him.
	It's just sort of, it's like they don't hit the angles.
	They just don't hit the angles for him.
	Michael, only real mention of him is that I think he was probably gifted some plastic surgery for a wedding president.
	I'm sorry, wedding president.
	From the wedding president, Don.
	The wedding president from the Don.
	The wedding president.
	Because boy, man, his eyes are looking.
	My gal, she put me on and said, a foxing surgery?
	I think it's called.
	Oh. Because, I don't know, if you scroll back to, I don't know, 2020 and see Michael.
	I see where I got going here.
	It just kind of tightens the eyes a little bit.
	Yeah, it like rolls the brow over into the eyeball area a little bit.
	Sure. It's very strange.
	Well, she married her bestie.
	Yeah, BFFs for Evita, Duffy, Alfonso now.
	Yeah, and so then from here, I thought that maybe...
	That we're kind of caught up.
	We could just maybe hear some quick hits from Evita herself.
	These are the things that I think that she thinks are important.
	So maybe we can let them speak for themselves.
	A big issue this cycle has been widespread election denialism.
	What do you think we should do about people who are promoting that kind of rhetoric, maybe even the January 6th rioters?
	What do you think should be done?
	I think they should be fully prosecuted.
	Everyone who was involved in that insurrection should be brought to justice.
	They need to be prosecuted.
	If there's some sort of conspiratorial thing, right, where people are conspiring to subvert election results, they should face some sort of prosecutorial consequence, right?
	They shouldn't be allowed to go scot-free for undermining free and fair elections.
	Do you feel the same way about people that denied the 2016 election, like Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris and Jen Psaki?
	Did she say Hillary?
	The people who said that Donald Trump was an illegitimate president, do you feel the same way about those people?
	Got her ass.
	I guess people were saying he was illegitimate.
	Well, how do you mean about denial?
	People called Donald Trump an illegitimate president for a very long time.
	I really am not as familiar with that.
	You can run the best campaign.
	You can even become the nominee.
	And you can have the election stolen from you.
	Illegitimate president.
	Cloud of illegitimacy.
	Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016.
	He lost the election.
	Okay, so play a couple quick cliche one mentions.
	Do you guys remember when we stormed the Capitol?
	2016? Well, I used to do it all the time, yeah.
	Yeah, remember when I smeared my own shit on the walls?
	But the cool thing is, back then it was more like a tourist day.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I would just walk in and say, insurrecting!
	You know when you sit against a hard chair and fart and it just echoes hard?
	I've never done that.
	I don't know what that means.
	What was the one I did to Nancy Pelosi's desk on Insurrection Day?
	Oh, that's kind of cool.
	It just echoed throughout the house.
	Seems like she got their asses.
	She did get their asses.
	So she's anti- An election denier.
	And, uh...
	And? Do you say to Matt Walsh if he came to you and said, what is a woman?
	Huh. Well, you can't exactly sum that up in one sentence.
	I would say...
	Because the word woman is a socially constructed idea, there is no one way to define what is a woman.
	I would say a woman is just whatever you want to identify as.
	Most definitions of being a woman are extremely reductive, and I find it harmful to even try to assign a specific label to what that means.
	A woman is whoever chooses to identify as a woman.
	There's a lot to that question.
	I am!
	I am!
	A revolutionary!
	A revolutionary!
	I am!
	I am!
	A revolutionary!
	A revolutionary!
	Cool. Also, anti-trans.
	Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but these clips she shares are people who are quite articulate.
	Well, I mean, someone kind of stumbled in the middle there.
	I mean, they stumbled a bit, but the message is a good message.
	Yeah, they deliver.
	And she, like, lets them deliver also.
	Does she not understand that that's not...
	What she should do if she's who she is?
	Well, she's not very good at being a man on the street.
	But I think it's kind of like, in some way, it's like a merit badge.
	Like, you have to be able to show that you've done the work.
	Yeah, you have to...
	I gotta make my trans-exclusionary patch today.
	Tomorrow I have to go dunk on these old women who aren't really sure what I'm asking them.
	And I think next week there's like a...
	I don't know, who else is getting dunked on?
	It's always...
	Also, in the middle of that, you've got to name five cereals while being punched.
	Yeah, but anyway, you do enough of them, and then sometimes you might get on with the Russian bread saw himself, Tucker Carlson!
	Yeah, Chuck, just for a little bit of context about this community, it's a majority Hispanic.
	These people work very hard.
	They're all evening making tamales, and they're up early in the morning at 3 a.m. in the frigid cold, selling to blue-collar workers.
	And they're very vulnerable.
	A lot of them, they're out on the street.
	They're working on a cash-only basis.
	And so many of them have been beat up, like the man in the video.
	Some have had guns pointed at them and robbed.
	All of the vendors that I talked to were absolutely traumatized.
	And Lori Lightfoot's solution is to say go cashless.
	But all of the vendors that I talked to said that is just not a possibility.
	We work on a cash-only basis.
	Our customers are on a cash-only basis.
	This is very normal for impoverished communities.
	Lori Lightfoot would know this if she cared about them remotely.
	But the vendors that I talked to said she doesn't care.
	Lori Lightfoot and Kim Foxx are all day preaching to us about equity.
	And yet the people that are being hurt the most by the way that this city is...
	Tucker was too busy mouth-breathing that whole time to even respond.
	He did have that big open stare.
	What's going on here?
	But she wants to rip on, you know, Mayor Lightfoot, Lori Lightfoot, but no one can quite do that as well as our boy Carmen Christopher can.
	I wish I had more courage to just post anything I wanted like former Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot.
	The day Roe v.
	Wade was overturned, she tweeted, make no mistake about it, Chicago is the home of house music.
	She's not wrong.
	Yeah. I mean, we've heard a lot of good house music today.
	Yeah, all the way back from Boston.
	I was getting so hyped for those, I kind of want to like...
	Get the playlist popping for that.
	I'm telling you, man.
	We gotta dig in.
	That more or less gets us to where we are in the current day.
	Sean takes over for Pete Buttigieg as the Secretary of Transportation in the Trump administration.
	Wow. Pete Buttigieg was such a good Secretary of Transportation.
	I mean, he's doing a good job of continuing to be active in this kind of middle...
	Do you think people drew the Forrest Gump to Metro bus situation and then he kind of felt that responsibility on his shoulders that he had to really perform for everybody?
	I don't know.
	He performed over the top because he knew that society didn't think he could.
	I'm just saying that he looks like Forrest Gump and Forrest Gump has a connection to the bus system.
	That's it.
	Anyway, airplanes.
	Sean Duffy airplanes.
	And anyway, Rachel continues to host her peakless Saturday day show on Fox and Friends.
	Evita took over the Bongino Report early edition.
	A Monday to Friday report of the conservative happenings of the day.
	You know, looking back, I remember trying to find her show.
	And I remember tuning in and being like, The Bongino Report.
	Did I miss Evita Duffy?
	So this is the funny thing.
	I was trying to find her because I actually pulled a little clip from one of her most recent shows, from last week, to kind of get a taste for what exactly we might be covering in the future of hers.
	But you're right.
	I started by searching Evita.
	And you couldn't find her.
	I found a Rumble page where I had some...
	Some other clips of hers.
	And I was like, this isn't her show, though.
	They should at least have tags.
	For the next four years, Bongino's not going to be on his own show.
	They're going to get her to shave her head and get a goatee.
	Slowly morph into him and they're cool with that, but not when a trans person does it, you know?
	Of course not.
	Here's what the...
	Bongino Early Edition sounds like?
	Is that what this is called?
	Yeah, that's right.
	Good morning and welcome to Bongino Report.
	Early Edition.
	Protesters violently target Tesla.
	Nationwide, Joe Rogan slams Democrats for losing control of, losing control, losing support of normal working class Americans.
	Jasmine Crockett appears to come out against interracial marriages.
	Wade Scott dissects Vivek Ramaswamy's soulless definition of American identity.
	The UK justice system says white men should now get longer prison sentences.
	Satanists get violent at the Kansas state capitol and Nike releases a shockingly pro-life ad.
	All this on Bongino Report, Early Edition.
	Early Edition.
	Over the weekend...
	It's electric.
	It is electric.
	High energy!
	Does Rumble not have a budget for, like, noise filters or compressors?
	Ooh, it's a little hissy.
	There's a lot of hiss there, yeah.
	I mean, it would maybe be less of that.
	If there was proper cable management.
	True. I heard cable management's a nightmare on her desk.
	It sounds like a Matt Walsh agenda.
	She's the one.
	She's the opener.
	Yeah, she's the opener for sure.
	And this is who they're playing their cards with.
	This is who they're giving the opening pitch to every morning.
	What is the topics that we spoke on here today?
	Her father having a huge issue with his former roommate.
	A preference on who she's dating.
	The skin color of who she's dating, I guess, is a black woman.
	And the one that you happen to pull is her talking about the same issue.
	None of this shit changes.
	It's just the same.
	It's a new iteration.
	How do we kick the can down the road?
	This is my daughter.
	She'll do it for us.
	You don't even have to respect her.
	You can just ask her about what she's wearing.
	Yeah, of course.
	Wow. Is there anything else even really?
	Does she look good?
	Because that's all I care about when I watch a woman on TV.
	You know?
	Is she busty?
	That's just about all I can handle for this week.
	Jared, thank you so much for stepping in and...
	Introducing us to Evita.
	Yeah, you know, my pleasure.
	Thank you for doing what you did, pulling the clips for me.
	Oh, of course.
	And what you're about to do for me.
	Make me sound less stupid.
	Oh, I'm not going to do anything.
	We're pushing it out.
	This is the way it is.
	We're live.
	And if the audience disagrees with anything you said, they can feel free to try to convince you otherwise.
	It doesn't roll off the tongue.
	It doesn't roll the same way.
	Yeah, not as good.
	Well, yes.
	Convince me otherwise.
	There you go.
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	Did they?
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	Nice. Love them.
	Gave us five stars.
	Oh, okay.
	I would never expect two, three, or four.
	I would only expect one or five.
	Well, I'm fine with that, is the name of the...
	The review?
	I'm fine with it!
	These guys are funny and doing important work contradicting self-importance personified.
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	I don't know when it's coming out.
	Probably in the next week or so.
	We recorded another episode of Double Salutes over the weekend.
	Oh, man.
	What an episode it was.
	We'll be living over there.
	Play the theme song one more time.
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	You've got to go to shrug.club to hear that.
	I'm going to go hear it.
	But you can also find us on x at Dan Crowder.
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	So we'll check in with them and see just how things are going on the lineup.
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