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EPISODE 35: STRANGER THAN FACT-ION (JULY 3RD, 2015)

This week, while Steven is on vacation (per our recommendation), we've decided to do an Independence Day Investigation that put us in a pre-Trump place, miles and miles away from Occupied Texas. We step into the LwC Time Machine for the first time, into a world both different and familiar. It's still not good, but was it better? Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an Audio World original.
	I hope everybody's nice to each other.
	Music.
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast, louder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron and I'm joined this morning by Jared.
	Hello.
	And Dennis is here too.
	Yeah.
	It's a nice Sunday morning.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Burt's chirping.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I also, I want to say quickly, happy, happy, happy, happy birthday to our boy, Steven Crowder.
	Today is his birthday.
	That might explain a little bit of something we'll talk about in a second.
	You can undo a lot of the stuff you've done.
	There's still time, Steve.
	New leaf.
	Turn over a new leaf and stop being such a prick, Steve.
	So much has happened since the last time we checked in.
	Really stoked about that new Supreme Court decision.
	Oh, I love it.
	Presidential immunity.
	Yeah, well, it's herd immunity.
	So sick.
	So that means that Joe Biden could just go fucking ape shit.
	That's right.
	Oh, let me tell you, Jack.
	Alright, popcorn on his side.
	I like that.
	It's not a fucked situation at all.
	No, it's fine.
	Yeah, and thanks real quick so much to the folks who joined us during our Twitch debate stream covering Stephen's stream.
	Oh, sorry, sorry, forgot where I was at.
	Let's put her in jail.
	Lock her up.
	I really can't think of a more fun night to be part of the political left.
	I blacked that out, I think.
	I don't remember streaming with you guys.
	I do actually, I'm just joking.
	Yeah, you were there.
	I vividly remember when he first started stumbling on that first question and all of us were like, oh fuck.
	Yeah, it was a bummer.
	Math meme going over his face there for a second.
	All the numbers flying at him and it just like, it blue screens his ass.
	He just goes...
	I do want to say though, I really appreciate all the people who spent some time with us, even though it was really sad to be an American for a little bit.
	Yeah, it was like, you know, do you want a dumb old guy or like a piece-of-shit liar?
	Yeah, just slimy.
	But I mean like, come on, Trump kind of cooked it up a little bit.
	I spent about 12 hours being kind of like, Nuh-uh!
	Yeah, I immediately, I was like, yeah, Trump definitely wrecked him.
	But here's what I'll say about it.
	I don't, I don't care about the condition of the key that opens the box.
	I care about the box.
	I think Biden and Trump are figureheads.
	Of course in the global stage we have to worry about it.
	But at the end of the day, if Trump's going to open a box full of horseshit and Biden's going to open a box full of, I don't know, just something that's fine.
	Green grass.
	Nothing that I really care about.
	Maybe some ibuprofen or something.
	Something that's not going to hurt me but at least keep me going for a little longer.
	Speaking, just to throw this out there, ordered some food last night, opened the door, said thank you to the Uber driver, looked down at my feet, said, what is this gigantic long box just sitting here in the rain as we are having torrential downpours apparently in the south?
	We're actually pretty sunny today right now.
	Turns out that my friend here decided to buy some sort of like maybe haunted doll off the internet on a whim.
	And so there's this eyeless... She showed me a picture of it.
	We didn't open it up yet.
	I said, let's eat before we get cursed.
	Yeah, because you don't want a spirit to go in your mouth.
	Yeah, right.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, I'm consuming like a shrimp or whatever.
	Yeah, anyway, so there's apparently a haunted doll in my house.
	So if that's like your key comparison there, like your analogy for the key, that's the box Trump is trying to open.
	Okay, he's trying to open a box on my house.
	Yeah, he's trying to curse Jared's home specifically.
	So if I stop showing up, that's why.
	I'm just putting it out there.
	If the doll attends this stream in your stead.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I mean, I would love to talk to someone from the past, maybe.
	Interesting.
	Give him a rundown.
	Yeah.
	Freak there being.
	Bring my dad back from the grave and tell him what's going on.
	See how he reacts.
	That'd be interesting.
	Shockingly though, beyond republishing an American masterclass about the First Amendment, that debate stream that Steven had was the last time he was on air.
	Really?
	Yeah, the studio has been dark for almost two weeks now.
	I believe they actually take off the month of July every year.
	For his birthday?
	I mean, maybe partially for his birthday, but... Body boarding.
	Crab wrangling.
	That's pretty cool.
	Oh, yeah, just sitting by a fire making s'mores, dude.
	He's got a bucket of Coronas.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Of course.
	We're trying on cargo shorts together later.
	Sure, him and Gerald.
	And Gerald's like, I have all of the American Eagle ones.
	He's got the American Eagle American cargo short museum.
	Steve, I'm gonna let you choose two.
	I wanted to make sure that that is what they indeed did, so I dove into the past, went into the archives to determine just how patriotic past Stephen was and if he had ever broadcast close to Independence Day in the year 2015.
	He got close.
	Okay.
	July 3rd, and that's the episode we'll be covering.
	It's the 30th episode ever.
	The 30th.
	Of Louder with Crowder.
	A throwback.
	Yeah.
	I'm ready for that.
	So we'll be introducing a new character, possibly the first third chair.
	There was also a different Supreme Court decision that was made around the same time.
	A lot more fun.
	We'll talk about it.
	Oh gosh.
	At this point, it was a talk radio program for WAM, W-A-A-M Talk, 1600 AM, 92.7 FM.
	It was on AM radio?
	Yeah, in a conservative station.
	Imagine getting a rental car and it's like flipping through the radio, and then you hear Steven just all of a sudden screaming.
	You're Steven in between the Dennis Prager Show, or the Charlie Kirk Show, or On the Edge with Thy Rhone.
	Wow.
	Those are the kinds of programs that are currently on WAM, as well as Coast to Coast AM, which is a little bit better.
	Oh man, that mustache on that guy.
	Not by much.
	Yeah, I guess let's dive in.
	The show had a bit of a different feel because of all of this.
	You've found yourself at the junction where worlds meet.
	politics, civility, how about honesty in this country folks, entertainment, I don't like
	entertainment, and a whole bunch of other stuff. It's about having a healthy body image.
	If you have a very unhealthy body, you should have a horrible body image.
	Everybody hates my opinion.
	We are definitely going to get letters.
	You're listening to Talk Radio's Strangest Animal.
	You're a strange animal, that's what I know You're getting louder with crowder
	But you're a strange animal, I don't follow Oh I'm in a speedy descent
	So glad to be with you as we get close to wonderful 4th of July celebration
	Hope you're enjoying it.
	This might actually sound a little bit different because I'm coming to you from beautiful northern Michigan, Leelanau County.
	Of course, as always, I am your host, Steven Crowder.
	The most insubordinate producer on all of radio joins me.
	Yeah, bite me.
	Don't start with that.
	Don't start with it.
	Bite me?
	Bite me.
	Was this in 1997?
	No, 2015.
	Oh my god.
	How about those vibes, folks?
	Those vibes are wild.
	Drive time.
	Wow.
	I will say that that iteration of Strange Animal... Well, that's the original.
	I know.
	It's much better.
	Of course!
	It's much better.
	Like, I just wanted to have no audio and just listen to Strange Animal.
	Kind of a good song.
	It's great.
	Yeah, when you chiptune it and make it kind of incel-y, it's not so much fun.
	It was good.
	I don't know, just got me thinking about that.
	It's a weird choice to have gone chiptune, right?
	Oh, totally.
	I'm a chiptune fan, generally, I'll say.
	Like some Onomataguchi or something like that?
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	I'm down for that.
	But I think that he just was like...
	Let's see, he's like, what's digital sound like?
	It's a digital show now, let me make it all computer music.
	I'll be honest, I think that if all four of us sat down, us three plus Steven, I think we'd have a lot of musical crossover interest.
	No problem.
	Because he's our age.
	I feel like he would have loved taking back Sunday a lot, you know what I mean?
	I bet we saw him on Warped Tour.
	We have a couple.
	He was that, he was definitely on that side of that.
	I'm really into Cold.
	I gotta tell you guys, we're gonna get a glimpse into his interests, or at least maybe the production's interests as we go on.
	I like all this foreshadowing, dude, without even knowing.
	A little bit of stinging as we get in.
	Great guests on today.
	Fantastic.
	Larry Elder, who needs really no introduction.
	He's the wonderful black gentleman with the luscious mustache.
	No, I heard that his mustache is gone.
	Don't ruin the punchlines.
	And Brad Thorpe, of course.
	Incredible, just wonderfully prolific author.
	So if you don't know him... Does he know the Hulk?
	Just stop with this.
	What?
	Who is that guy, by the way?
	That?
	Second guy.
	That's Fun Dip.
	Fun Dip?
	Fun Dip Dan.
	His name is Dan Martin, kind of a radio guy since the late 80s.
	You know, you hear how he sounds.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Wow, the quality of this is so bad.
	It is different, and Fun Dip's mic is way louder than Stephen's.
	Yeah, it's wild.
	Of course, Stephen, he's back in Michigan.
	I think it's probably because of his birthday.
	He must go home for his birthday every year.
	He must, yeah.
	Because he doesn't have any friends.
	And if you want to get presents, gotta go home.
	His name is Dan Martin.
	Yeah, he's in a Star Trek fan film called The Lost Starship.
	He plays the bass and the ukulele.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, he likes the Beatles, Motown, and he loves Detroit.
	That's interesting.
	Apparently he caught the acting bug in high school.
	So that's how they know each other probably.
	They're going out for the same roles.
	The only information I could really find about him, I didn't find the ukulele stuff, so whatever you have is very interesting over there Jared.
	I think I found his Twitter.
	Because I was unable, he had deleted his Twitter, Fun Dip Dan is not around anymore so I imagine changed it because in the trivia portion of his IMDB profile here he says while Dan Martin worked on Louder with Crowder he in no way shares the viewpoints of the show's host Steven Crowder.
	Oh whoops.
	I don't know when he left the show that might be part of the journey we take as we go through these older episodes but Yeah, Fundip Dan.
	Doing his damn best.
	Fundip Dan.
	I sent you the... And now, there's no way it's Bassman Dan now.
	He is Bassman Dan.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	Is that him?
	It appears to be him.
	Wow.
	And you're right because, honestly, we're gonna unlock so much as we go on this journey today.
	I enjoy Star Wars, Star Trek, photography, this guy's a photographer?
	Oh gosh.
	He has a knockoff Hofner bass.
	He's got the rogue Hofner bass.
	But he's also got a Rickenbacker too.
	We're gonna talk about bass in just a minute, boys.
	Fundip has some thoughts about Independence Day and they might rub Steven wrong.
	Like the movie?
	Nope.
	The film universally praised.
	Everyone loves that one.
	ID4?
	Yeah.
	Welcome to Earth, bitch.
	Yeah, punch that alien.
	Fundip might as well have punched Steven in the face.
	Oh god.
	Firstly, you said you're not proud to be American-funded.
	I'm not proud to be anything that I was born into.
	Appropriate.
	That makes sense, but again... I'm proud of Americans who did something worthy before, like Commander Tibbets flying, you know, during World War II and taking care of ending the war.
	I'm proud of the guys who were in the B-17s and the F4U Corsairs.
	I'm proud of the guys that were in the Navy and the Marines.
	But I'm not proud of me.
	I never did anything.
	That's not what I'm talking about though.
	I'm not talking about you being proud like, hey I'm proud that I'm white.
	I'm talking about being proud Of being born into a country that has afforded you the opportunity, for example, to do this show.
	To speak freely.
	I'm glad of it, not proud of it.
	I don't see pride that way.
	Dennis is doing some heavy nodding.
	Yeah.
	You and Dan might get along.
	Me and Dan are best friends.
	I mean, he's saying some pretty, pretty poignant things.
	I love it because Stephen's like, let me, let me clarify.
	No.
	And then he asked the exact same, he says the exact same thing, like what Dan is saying.
	The interesting thing he says though, it's like, I'm not, it's not like saying you're proud of being white.
	It's like saying you're proud of being American, which in Stephen's world is kind of the same thing.
	Yeah, that's hilarious.
	What a dumb take.
	Yeah.
	Are you guys proud to be Americans?
	No, I don't really find it as anything that has to do I mean it's inherently part of my Like where I am in my life, right?
	Yeah, and also like from Military son standpoint.
	I've always been at odds with it my entire life because it's been like You know thrown in my face for forever and That probably did a lot to push me away and be like, I don't really give a fuck about this But also forceful pride is not learning.
	Yeah learning about politics getting into it when I was like, you know 14 or something like that Mm-hmm reading some Michael Moore and shit and just being like hey, we're gonna be talking about Some books coming up soon too, gosh.
	This is an episode for the boys!
	Maybe we don't prep ever, this is just gonna be, this is just like hitting all our spots here.
	You guys are gonna have so much fun.
	But yeah, Fundip isn't alone in his feelings about not being prideful about being American.
	The left is not proud of America, put it that way.
	You may say, I'm not, you're doing wordplay going, I'm not proud of being American, and I understand you're trying to be consistent, but you are proud of the United States of America.
	I know you are.
	Oh yeah, but I still would rather live in Liverpool.
	No you wouldn't.
	Are you kidding me?
	Could you imagine me as a bus tour guide in Liverpool saying, and this is where Paul McCartney was raised, and this is George Harrison's childhood home.
	That is so idiotic.
	Is this abuse?
	I don't know if this is, because I haven't dug that deep into the older episodes, but he is a piece of shit.
	The lovable bus lad from Liverpool I was shocked and not gay Jared is also in there too and he says some pretty shitty things about him The first lawsuit was dropped by the way.
	Oh for Jared, but now They're suing him again.
	Oh great this time for defamation.
	Okay about the two text messages.
	Oh, I saw this I saw this which doesn't really make any sense because They don't seem like defaming text messages at all.
	It was private, and the only reason it became public was because Gerald did that little episode in which he referenced those two text messages publicly.
	Yeah, so he defamed himself.
	That's how I feel about it, but we should probably talk to someone who knows more about that.
	Yeah, I don't know anything about it.
	Yeah.
	When was this recorded?
	It was July 3rd, 2015.
	2015.
	Okay, well, I just want to say that, you know, Liverpool, Beatles, Dan Martin, he went and saw Reign, the Sgt.
	Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
	Oh!
	Isn't that so cool?
	He loves those guys.
	So Steve at this point, he's attempting this rant on freedom.
	And as much as we're kind of siding with Fundip at this point, I can kind of see why he installed that shut the fuck up button.
	Since when do France, England, Germany, Japan get to teach us about freedom?
	Germany's pretty cool now.
	I mean, they've done some horrible things before, but I like them now.
	It's not.
	I want a vacation there, at least.
	It's not.
	Fundip, listen, I hope you're joking here, but I'm actually talking about serious principles.
	You can't just look at things that shallowly and go, oh, they have good bratwurst.
	Do you really think that Germany has their stuff together like the United States?
	Do you really think that they're as free as the United States?
	Honestly.
	They have an awesome bass guitar factory.
	Fundip, seriously, do you honestly think that they are as free as the citizens of the United States?
	Yeah, probably not, but I mean...
	I think that it would be fun to live in any of those places for a year or so at least.
	Exactly, but that's not what we're talking about, Fundip.
	That's not what we're talking about.
	The Fourth of July, it's okay to say the one thing that makes the United States intrinsically valuable.
	The one thing that makes us entirely unique from all those places is not only are they not as free as us, Fundip, but they were never designed... What?
	Day-to-day freedoms.
	No!
	It's not even close!
	And they were never designed from the ground up to afford their citizens those freedoms.
	And you know where that comes from?
	That comes from, despite what people might hate here, from the Founding Fathers who believed that these freedoms didn't come to us from them, or government, or laws.
	Unalienable rights as endowed to us by our Creator.
	They believed in God-given freedoms upon which no man could infringe and fund if, even though you're an agnostic, that I'm not sure about all that.
	I mean, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
	Why would God give rights only to Americans?
	Sure.
	If God's given our rights, why does he only pick us?
	Well, he's doing some digging back on that whole concept of God-given rights.
	It started way before Christianity, so... Of course.
	Also, freedom from the ground up for white people, right?
	Yeah.
	White men.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Laws of freedom, like when you say freedom broadly, it's so hard to describe what freedom is.
	There's like some freedom of speech differences in a lot of other countries.
	Totally.
	But otherwise, very similar freedoms.
	Very similar freedoms.
	I don't know about like all the different amendments, like, you know, search and seizure laws, or if I have to quarter any soldiers in Japan.
	That's the cool thing about, that's why he published that American Masterclass.
	You gotta go back and watch these Steven Crowder... Steven did an American Masterclass... No, he did it with this guy who looks at obscure, mostly biblical references the Founding Fathers made and kind of reapplies them to the amendments, so... Okay, lovely, perfect.
	Yeah, I was gonna cover that initially, but I've got so fucking bored.
	I can only imagine.
	Imagine if Steven did a Masterclass on the actual, like, Masterclass brand, like... Oh, that'd be cool.
	Like, as an empty chair, and he walks in and goes, Hi.
	America!
	Spinning it backwards, sitting down.
	They whip their hair back.
	It's actually, it's A.C.
	Slater.
	I'm here to talk to you guys about doing Zionism in other countries.
	Yeah, Steven's doing his damn best.
	I love his exasperated sighs talking to Fun Dip.
	God, please.
	There's a great mace factory!
	He's like, fuck.
	He would do better not having... Yeah, I love that.
	That blew my mind.
	He shouldn't have this guy on the show if he wants this show to be... Well, that's why he got rid of him, I'm sure.
	Of course!
	He's like, you know, I'd like to go live in one of these countries for like a year.
	But it's like he just wants to go tour that bass factory every day for a year.
	He wants to slap every string in the country.
	Let me be the tester at the end.
	That's my dream job, is to test for Rickenbacker.
	Yeah, well, Steven, he continues to kind of simmer when his thoughts on freedom's importance aren't really connecting with FunDot.
	FunDot?
	FunDip.
	FunDip.
	FunDotDip.
	But what are the things like on a daily basis Okay.
	Things like freedom of speech doesn't exist in Canada, doesn't really exist in many of those European countries that have hate speech laws.
	But I mean if you're just walking around... Yep, things like freedom of the press, things like freedom of religion with certain churches, for example in Denmark right now, If you're a church, gay man can walk into your church, has never been in your church, has never been a member, and says, you're going to marry us.
	You have no choice.
	You have to.
	Gosh, how much further do we have to go on down the list?
	75% tax rates in some of these countries, in socialist countries, the inability to open up businesses, the inability to create products or services that might be deemed offensive due to other speech laws.
	What about the average hapless schmuck?
	I just gave you about 20, Fundip.
	Yeah, but I mean, those would be for people that actually accomplish something.
	The average schmuck, like me, who goes home and sits and watches TV for a few hours, goes to bed, goes to work the next day.
	Let's say I'm not working in the media.
	Okay, let me give it to you really clearly.
	You have said a multitude of things on this program.
	That would get you completely banned from the airwaves in these countries at your price.
	Clearly, but I'm saying like, if I was just working a regular menial job, say cleaning a movie theater.
	I just gave you 20 examples, gave you a personal example.
	I don't... anyone...
	Should be affected by freedom of speech, by freedom of religion, freedom of the press.
	If you go home and watch TV, for example, and you're in Canada, where there is no freedom of the press, it's essentially a government monopoly with Radio Canada and CBC, you're not getting the straight story!
	That affects everybody!
	But what if they're just watching, you know, Trailer Park Boys or something like that and they're not watching the news?
	Jeez, Ricky.
	I like that Fun Dip Dan's being purposefully obtuse and Steven is getting so pissed about it.
	They're just talking about two separate things.
	Of course they are, yeah.
	And Steve is using these extreme examples, but I love that one of his example was, um, what if you're a church and two people want to exercise their freedoms in your church?
	Well, only in Denmark at that point.
	Yeah.
	And also, it's so interesting to me when people talk about tax rates.
	For one, I think that there's all these numbers that are extremely inflated, but it's like a country like Denmark, it's like the happiest country in the world or something like that.
	It's like, I spend most of my money I get, right?
	I spend it.
	Yeah.
	But the question is, do I have the things I'm spending it on?
	You know.
	According to the World Happiness Report score?
	Mm-hmm.
	Finland.
	Finland.
	Hell yeah, Finland.
	And then Denmark.
	Then Denmark.
	Great.
	I'll tell you why.
	Denmark number two.
	Why?
	It's a brat summer in every church.
	Every gay person's getting married.
	I love that.
	Yeah, Charlie's over there just chillin'.
	They're bumpin' that.
	B-b-bumpin' that.
	Okay, Lego, right?
	There's so many Lego.
	Double-edged sword.
	They're always stepping on Lego pieces.
	They're having fun, right?
	But then they're like, I've stepped on one of my red bricks.
	My foot, right?
	Negative two points off the fun meter.
	Now you got these other yahoos stepping in.
	Who did you say is number one?
	Finland.
	Fuck them.
	Fuck them.
	I'm here for Denmark.
	I'm a big fan of Finland, honestly.
	They're probably fine.
	I'm sorry, Finland.
	They don't have freedom that we have, though.
	Yeah, true.
	Just Legos.
	And speaking of personal freedom, personal antidotes, that's what Fun Dip goes into at this point.
	Antidotes?
	Is my saying that right?
	Anecdotal?
	Anecdotal.
	Fuck you guys.
	Fun Dip goes an-an-an-an-an-an-an-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec-anec But having been there and having had relatives in England and relatives you know you lived in Canada so it's different but I've got relatives there and they'd walk around say the things they really felt like saying they'd watch the TV they felt like watching and I didn't see
	You know, just as a visitor in either of those places, anything majorly different.
	This is why you need some kind of principles in your life, Fundip.
	You need some kind of guiding principles, and I'm not talking Qui-Gon Jinn midi-chlorian.
	I mean, you need some kind of guiding... Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
	I'm not drunk.
	You need some kind of principles to get you to see the world some way.
	I'm not talking about an ideology or political spectrum where we have to go to this break here.
	You know that.
	Bring in whatever damn music you want because you haven't properly replaced the bumps because you're so free that you still have a job working on Louder with Prouder and we will be back after this.
	You filthy animal.
	We will be back after this.
	High on a hill was a lonely goat.
	It's a zoo, folks.
	Loud was the voice of the lonely goat.
	You're listening to S Crowd FM.
	Hey, this is Steven Crowder with Louder With Crowder to tell you about one of my favorite sites
	on the web, AR15.com.
	Cool.
	Still on that.
	I can't imagine being Fundip Dan.
	A listener?
	A listener, of course.
	But Fundip Dan, just trying to have a good time with Stephen, and Stephen's like, You godless piece of shit, Dan.
	Yeah, I mean, you gotta.
	How dare you.
	It sucks to work there, right?
	How long will you fund up Dan there?
	I don't care about Dan, I want him to get out.
	You what?
	I want Dan to get out.
	Oh, yeah, I mean it seems... When did he leave, do you know?
	We'll get there, but it seems like he's doing fine.
	Playing bass, dude.
	I mean, on November 13th, 2018, he tweeted, enjoy life, enjoy music, enjoy coffee.
	Yes.
	And he also said, Glenn is being a douche nozzle today.
	Douche nozzle.
	Probably about Glenn Beck.
	Douche nozzle.
	Damn, that's epic.
	Epic bacon.
	I'm really glad that we got to introduce the world to Fundip Dan a little bit more.
	Let's get him on the show.
	There's absolutely no world where I'm not reaching out to Fundip Dan at this point.
	We're not done hearing from him in this episode, but that was their kind of cold open banter, and it was really probably some of the best work I've heard.
	I've never heard anything better.
	This next clip, though, it's super interesting.
	They come back from break.
	This is the first story that they're talking about.
	Steven loves the opportunity to talk about fight sport.
	Fight sport?
	Yeah.
	Like MMA?
	Especially when it merges with politics.
	Great.
	And although some of the opinions of the UFC have changed, Steven has remained pretty consistent here.
	This is what they come back with.
	We only have a couple of minutes here.
	I want to see something real quick.
	Do we have time to run the Well, no, I guess we don't have time to run the clip.
	There was a clip of a fighter who actually got in trouble for thanking Jesus.
	Of course, all the gay activists said that he said something that was being anti-gay, and were calling for his head and his job, and that wasn't the case.
	Now the UFC president has said, keep Jesus at home, don't thank Jesus publicly.
	Now we have an article from the New York Times that says the churches must lose their tax-exempt status unless they're going to marry gay people.
	So this is all the backlash that everyone said you didn't have to worry about with overreach of the courts forcing same-sex marriage upon the states.
	This is a thing that people talked about for years.
	Everyone said wouldn't happen.
	Well, it's happening now.
	So no one's being nice to each other.
	That sucks.
	Was that Dan?
	Yeah, that did suck.
	He's so good.
	What a punchline fun dip, Dan.
	Yeah.
	Can we get a soundbite of that?
	That sucks.
	I love that.
	The story he didn't have time to talk about is from June 2015.
	There's this UFC fighter named Yole Romero who made a controversial post-fight comment.
	What was it?
	Well, he didn't have time to play it.
	I do.
	OK, great.
	I've got the whole thing here.
	I want to say something.
	Maybe?
	I'm trying English.
	So sorry, I know the people don't understand me, but I'm trying.
	Hey!
	Hey, USA!
	Hey, Miami!
	Hey, Florida!
	Listen, people, listen, listen!
	Listen!
	What happened to you, USA?
	What happened to you?
	What's going on you?
	Forget!
	For the best of the best of the world!
	The name is Jesus Christ!
	What happened to you?
	Wake up USA!
	Go!
	Go back where you were going!
	Go for Jesus!
	Don't forget Jesus people!
	Go for Jesus, not for gay Jesus, people.
	Okay.
	This is who Crowder has based all of his characters off of.
	Every single character.
	It's this voice.
	Interesting.
	So he just said, thank you, Jesus, right?
	That's all he said?
	Yeah.
	He didn't say, what happened to you, America?
	Go back to Jesus, not gay Jesus?
	It's kind of a jumbled mess of what he actually meant to say.
	Of course.
	Don't forget Jesus is what he said that he meant to say, not gay Jesus.
	Don't forget Jesus.
	Okay.
	But because it happened so close to the time that the Supreme Court made the decision about gay marriage, which I mean, I don't know, he also started his whole thing saying like, what happened to you, America?
	So I don't know exactly what he was getting at.
	It's quite possible that he was being critical.
	It sounded like Like an old person ranting about how we need Jesus back in school or whatever.
	It's funny because if this is as bad as things were back then, holy shit.
	I know, yeah, this was the controversy.
	It wasn't Trump saying Kamala's a fucking idiot or whatever he said.
	I think what's crazy to me is that we look back on this and that Stephen has been so anti-gay for so long.
	Ten years ago, yeah.
	The comment, he wasn't just saying thank you Jesus, like people act like if you wear a small cross necklace you're gonna go to prison.
	Like, if someone says, hey, you know, thanks to God, my creator, I'm not going to be like that.
	No one cares.
	Actually, at the time, though, Dana White did care, which is really interesting.
	He said, America doesn't want to hear your thoughts on Jesus.
	Keep that stuff at home.
	Religion, politics, all that stuff.
	When you're out here fighting and you're being interviewed, they want to hear about the fight.
	All right, Dana.
	I don't know how long ago it was that we covered the Sean Strickland saying all that really, really gnarly shit.
	Yeah.
	And Dana White at that point said, there's no muzzles here.
	Whoever you are, whatever you believe, whatever you think, we've heard it all, seen it all.
	Well, we think we have.
	It's saying that you should be able to say whatever you want and that he's not going to stifle free speech.
	Yeah, weird.
	It's interesting how things have changed, but yeah, going back to the comments that Joel made, he immediately clarified it in a press conference afterwards, a post-fight press conference, apologized for any misunderstanding, and that he was trying to express gratitude for the American dream and not criticizing anyone.
	He also said he was completely unaware of the Supreme Court ruling and had been focusing on cutting weight for the fight, which I also... I fully believe that.
	I don't think, at that time, especially a lot of UFC fighters, especially people not from the United States, were paying attention to that.
	Of course, yeah.
	Of course not.
	People pay a lot more attention to politics now than they did back in 2015.
	Yeah.
	Like, broadly.
	Yeah, I didn't have a podcast about politics then.
	You know, it's also, like, in waves, too, you know?
	Yep, so that's the thing that Steven was really pissed about not being able to cover.
	I don't know about the New York Times article saying that they should not be tax-exempted.
	I think children should not be tax-exempted.
	Period.
	Period, regardless of who they marry.
	And you know, actually, I cut the clip, but that is exactly how our good friend Fundip feels as well.
	Great.
	Fundip, hell yeah.
	You're my man.
	He's gonna be our producer.
	Yeah, we'll give him a call, give him a shot.
	Let him play bass on our recordings.
	He's a nice guy.
	Dennis, Jared, who are the meanest people on the planet?
	The meanest people on the planet?
	Probably leftist activists.
	Yeah, I was gonna say probably some blue hair, ri-ri-ri types, the girl with the really big glasses screaming in the air.
	Definitely, she's the worst.
	The pussy-hat people.
	Yikes.
	Stop freaking me out.
	Wrong, but close.
	Okay.
	The meanest people on the planet are gay activists, Fondip, and the sooner that you learn that, the way they are treating Christians right now is unreal.
	But all the gay people I know are really nice.
	Oh, there you go.
	All the gay people I know.
	I don't own a gun, so it's not a right, because I don't own a gun!
	He's mad.
	And then it seems like the ones that get really angry and mean around me, or at least on my Facebook, are the Christian folks who are like putting up these big things.
	You're not allowed to marry the person you love!
	When have you ever put something up that says something like, I don't know, like a Westboro Baptist post that says God hates fags?
	When have you ever put that up?
	Because I've seen tons of things you post about how Christians are ignorant and stupid.
	So when have you ever trolled gay people?
	Maybe that's why Fundip.
	I've never put anything that Christians are ignorant or stupid.
	Yes, you have.
	Yes, you have.
	Misinformed.
	There you go.
	When have you ever put, hey, gay people suck at this.
	Just pick one thing that gay people aren't amazing at, according to you.
	Just one thing.
	You would think that every single homosexual, according to Fundip, is as fast as Usain Bolt, is as strong as Andy Bolton, can jump like LeBron James, and can sing like Freddie Mercury.
	You would think every single gay person is that way from Fundip.
	The only ones I really pay attention to publicly are the ones that are killer singers and stuff.
	So, I mean, locally, you know, friends and stuff, I don't know what they do for a living.
	I know my cousin is an awesome cook.
	That dude can cook some serious food, so props to Kevin.
	He's honestly the best guy on the planet at this point.
	Huge props to Kevin.
	I love it.
	Kevin's a great cook.
	I wonder what Kevin's doing now.
	We don't need a follow-up on all of them.
	Doing booty bounce to Big Freedia.
	He's like, they keep killing it.
	They just keep rocking and rolling.
	I keep just dropping ass to all this music.
	Did I clarify the Supreme Court decision that happened at this point in 2015?
	I think it was just clarifying that the states cannot block it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The court ruled in a 5-4 judgment that the 14th Amendment requires all states to grant same-sex marriages and recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states.
	Yeah.
	Awesome.
	Yeah, it was great.
	But I think that the worst people in the world are gay activists.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They do stink.
	What I think is so interesting about Stephen is that the way that he expressed that the gay activists are the worst people in the world is by exercising their freedom of speech against Christianity.
	And the thing is like... And then making a victim class out of the Christians.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	And I don't...
	I don't care about Christians broadly as people.
	I don't think Christians should get married.
	Of course not.
	They shouldn't.
	That means my marriage matters less.
	I'm not going to paint Christians with a broad brush.
	I'm just going to say, if you're bigoted because of your beliefs, then you're still a bigot.
	You're using your Christianity as an excuse to be a bigot.
	And that's a problem.
	No matter what it is.
	If you're using your status as a man to be a bigot, then you're still a bigot.
	I don't care about that.
	And it's so funny that Steven's like, hey listen, I know that you don't like Christianity, Fun Dip Dan, but why don't you also shit on gay people like me?
	Yeah, what the hell, man?
	What?
	Props to Kevin, though.
	Props to Kevin, great cook.
	And then Larry Elder joins the show.
	Are you familiar with Larry Elder?
	No.
	Prominent conservative media personality.
	He had something called the Larry Elder Show.
	Oh wow, original.
	Also author of two books, at least.
	The first was Ten Things You Can't See in America, as well as the book that he's on this show to promote called Dear Father, Dear Son, Two Lives, Eight Hours.
	It's about a conversation that he had with this estranged father who left him when he was young.
	It seems kind of interesting.
	We don't talk much about the book because, you know, Stephen's really good at his job.
	Larry Elder, he's a libertarian type fellow.
	He first came onto my radar after the gubernatorial recall election that happened in California a couple years ago.
	So he ran and failed.
	Can I tell you it's actually gubernatorial?
	Goobinatorial?
	Yeah, it's a B. Fuck you guys.
	Honestly, I quit.
	I'm gonna start a show.
	I'm gonna start a show with Fun Dip Dan.
	He's got more personality than the both of us.
	Dennis and I are gonna start a lesser show.
	Similar to like, you know, it's gonna be called actually not yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, not gay Jared.
	So yeah again, we don't talk much about his book.
	Honestly at the beginning we don't really talk too much about much of anything other than how Stephen got introduced to Larry Elder.
	Eventually though we are gonna talk about how gay people aren't oppressed like blacks.
	Sure.
	Larry's a black man.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And I wonder why they feel that way.
	We'll get there.
	But this is how Steven found Larry.
	And I think you were a guest on Stossel, if I'm not mistaken.
	I was.
	And Stossel and I are both libertarians.
	This is true, yeah.
	And that's how I was introduced to you, because we used to have TGIF, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Boy Meets World, and then 2020 came on.
	And John Stossel would come on with his sort of smug, give me a break, you know, his whole segment.
	And that's where I saw you, and I had no idea why I was so drawn to you guys.
	You know, I've known Stossel for a long time, and people often ask me, Stephen, how I became a libertarian.
	It was kind of a long process, mostly being exposed to economics.
	But Stossel found some book, a magazine called The Reason Magazine, on a metro.
	Somebody had just left, and he picked it up, started reading it, and it was all libertarian, and that's what got him interested in libertarianism.
	So I told him if he had missed that bus, then he would still be a card-carrying Democrat, and apparently he said, apparently so.
	Well, you know, it's funny.
	I actually subscribed to Reason Magazine.
	Larry Elder talks like a libertarian.
	Yeah, of course.
	He definitely does.
	Got that libertarian cadence, yeah.
	Yeah, that quick cadence.
	Boy Meets World and Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
	Damn, Melissa Joan Hart bringing me back.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that Steven most connected with Mr. Feeny?
	I think Mr. Feeney is generally connected to what was Ethan Supley?
	Wasn't he one of the bullies in the original season?
	Interesting.
	Yes.
	His dad was a Vader from WWF.
	Is that right?
	Yeah.
	Ethan Supley's dad?
	On the show.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	Isn't Ethan Supley got some like weird views now though too?
	No, I didn't know that he lost all the weight and gained a bunch of controversial tapes.
	Yeah, it's what he was listening to Releasing his gains into muscles Train by day Joe Rogan podcast all night all day all night all day Maybe Ethan hopped on that train and went down that tunnel could have been I don't want to throw him out of the bus because I don't really know I don't remember all of it.
	But yeah, there's something something May have been a mess Of course, you know, before you talk about race, you have to identify what you should be calling the person.
	Yeah, why wouldn't you?
	Well, I will ask you this as someone who is, I'm trying to think, black, African-American, gentleman of color, what should I say here to make sure you don't call the ACLU?
	Well, I never use the term African-American.
	I think it's a stupid, demeaning term that was essentially rammed down the throats of newspapers by Jesse Jackson.
	I'm an American who happens to be black.
	That's what I call myself.
	So colored, gentlemen.
	We'll go with that.
	That's okay.
	All right.
	I never understood.
	American of color.
	What's funny is colored is racist.
	People of color is now correct.
	I can't keep track of the rules.
	He can never keep track of these things.
	I have.
	Steven.
	So, no, it's funny that you say that, and I'm glad to hear that we're not going to be stepping on any cultural landmines.
	No, we're good.
	Let me go to it before, because I want to give you the floor here, because it's going to be sensitive.
	My point I was going to get to is that it's a black gentleman comparing it to the civil rights struggle, the Voting Rights Act.
	Some libertarians I've seen do that.
	I want to get your point of view, louder with Crowder.
	Larry Elder, if you change that dial, I'll have him beat you up.
	This is Louder With Prouder.
	Be sure to visit louderwithprouder.com.
	Hey, Fun Dip, what's wrong?
	I'm trying to figure out what kind of gift to send to my friend's hot niece.
	Well, firstly, that's creepy.
	Does she like wine?
	Well, yeah, everybody likes wine.
	Oh, so what's the problem?
	I just don't know what kind of wine she likes.
	Oh, well, the good thing is you're in luck, because you can go to SimplifiedWine.com or call 844-297-WINE.
	Just place a call or you send an email and a qualified sommelier will find out what you like, your price range, and curate a perfect wine list for you or your friend's hot niece.
	Hot niece, huh?
	A lot to go through.
	I love all of that.
	Yeah, I mean No Cigar by Mille and Colin.
	What the hell?
	That is wild.
	And honestly, aren't they from one of those, you know, non-free countries?
	I think they are.
	Sweden, yes.
	Great song.
	Classic Burning Heart Records band.
	What?
	I didn't understand what was happening with it at first.
	Oh, it's a transition.
	It's a radio.
	Yeah, I didn't, I didn't.
	Based on what he was saying, I was like, is he transitioning out now?
	What are we doing?
	We're going to commercial!
	We're throwing a commercial!
	We're going to Simplified Wine!
	I really didn't really like the way that our good guy FunDip was talking about hot nieces, but... Yeah, well, friends, hot niece.
	Is that, like, creepy?
	It's kind of creepy.
	Friends, hot niece.
	Friends, hot niece implies, I mean, at least a generation younger.
	I guess.
	The younger generation.
	Sometimes you get that weird, like, you know, this is my niece and we're the same age.
	I think we understand the intention.
	Is this Gerald's Wine Tasting?
	Samplifiedwine.com does?
	Now forward you to Bonvino.
	Bonvino?
	Oh that's hilarious.
	Is it Bonvino?
	I like that Stephen can't pronounce Sommelier.
	He does struggle with that.
	Sommelier!
	So I mean we should say for people who haven't heard all of our old episodes which you should go check them out and then rate and review us on iTunes or Spotify.
	This is Gerald Morgan's wine company.
	Simplified Wines.
	Used to be Simplified Wines, now is Buonvino.
	They do wine pairings, basically.
	Mostly for corporate events, I guess.
	Can we pull up Simplified Wines on the Wayback Machine right now?
	I'd love to see if there's a picture of Gerald Morgan, his old headshot, there.
	Alright, let's do it.
	Just for fun.
	I'll throw this in there too, just to wrap it up with Ethan Supley here.
	Ethan Supley Scientologist.
	All right, so we have we have that going for him, but that he also wrote a letter in defense of Danny Masterson.
	Yeah, that's not great.
	That was the big fallout for him recently, and I don't think that he walked it back.
	I don't know what's better, that pathetic Mila Kunis Ashley Kutcher video.
	That was about as, I'm gonna throw it back, about as cucked as it gets.
	Especially coming from an Ashley Kutcher who did so much for like pedophilia.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't like his mistake, but his walking that back was really still also not a good look.
	He needed to do more than that.
	Yeah.
	It stinks.
	Anyways.
	Yeah, this is an interesting show.
	Very different.
	Over a decade that Gerald Morgan has been supporting Steven financially.
	Yeah.
	And now he's indebted to Steven at this point.
	Oh, fucking Jesus.
	I have to... this... You okay bud?
	I just, I just, uh, uh, thumbed down on this Google search here.
	And, uh, Ethan Supley says, hard conversation with Jim Caviezel inspired his weight loss journey.
	Oh no!
	Jim Caviezel, who played Jesus Christ in The Passion of the Christ, who is also a QAnon guy.
	Yeah, maybe we didn't we didn't really review it or anything like that on here, but the Child Hunt movie.
	Sound of Freedom.
	Sound of Freedom.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, cool guy.
	Uh, sorry, Ethan.
	Damn it, man.
	I thought you were cool.
	That sucks.
	Larry comes back after the commercial break and has, uh... After Melancon?
	Yeah, in the wine commercial.
	And he's discussing how gay marriage should go back to the States and that if you don't like it, of course you can leave.
	And if you don't like living in that particular state, you can move to another state.
	If your state is one of these states that does not support same-sex marriage, you can decide as a business person, you can decide as a tourist not to go to that state.
	You can punish that state in that way, and maybe that state will then rethink its assumptions.
	But to cram it down the throats of the American people by arguing it's the same thing as the civil rights of the 1950s as to blacks, to me it's unfair and not well taken.
	And one of the nieces of MLK is named Avita King.
	She's a pastor, and she very much resents the comparison.
	I think it's a fair comparison.
	It's funny.
	Well, I guess let's jump to the next clip and explain why it's not, Dennis, and you're an idiot.
	You're born black, and you're born, people say, gay.
	I've talked about that, and I don't want to open that box right now.
	I think people don't choose their sexual desires, but everyone has choices over their sexual actions.
	It's just like, I have a choice to cheat on my wife.
	Not saying you're watching The Love Boat and you go, hmm, Skipper looks great.
	I think I'm going to go for him today.
	What I am saying is everyone chooses to act on their sexual actions, so there is no choice in being black, despite what the left might say.
	I've seen them say that you're not black enough, so I guess it is a choice on how you act.
	People claim I made a choice to be white, but I don't see it.
	Every morning I get up in the mirror and I go, ah!
	So, I mean, we got a lot to cover.
	Rewind to saying that you should just move if you disagree with it's not free to move Yeah, and most people can't just pack most people they don't have a savings account.
	I could not move to another state right now Yeah, it's not like the one and also like why should you have to move you should right if you were let's do Let's go up a level.
	Should you just move from country to country?
	Well, if you don't like this country, you should just leave Well, it's kind of what they think.
	But then Steven, he says so much when he says that being gay is not a choice.
	Not a choice, but your actions are a choice.
	Whether or not you have gay sex and be with men or be with women.
	I've heard Gerald say the same thing.
	Does he not?
	I think that Steven is saying, if you are gay, just stay in the closet for your whole life.
	I think he's closer to being a pro-conversion therapy guy than we thought.
	Oh, he definitely is.
	I mean, it's... Yeah, his homie CEO.
	Yeah, that's his, like, part-time job.
	Is it really?
	No, he doesn't get hate, he's a volunteer.
	He's saying a lot behind the scenes.
	He's saying a lot between the lines with that statement, I think.
	But he doesn't want to get into it.
	He is a lot more cautious back then.
	He's gained a disgusting amount of confidence in his hate in recent years, but this is where it all started, I suppose.
	It's like the old cartoon where you jump out of your skin and then hopefully you can just jump into a new one and go, I'm white now, I'm transracial.
	Here's my point, actually, now we're off on the rabbit trail.
	The transracial thing.
	I've talked about this before.
	I want you to tell me if you think I'm absolutely out of line here.
	Can you pause real quick?
	Can I make a prediction?
	Uh, yeah, yeah.
	Is he about to talk about Rachel Dolezal?
	Of course he's gonna talk about Rachel Dolezal, it's 2015!
	Oh my god, this is awesome!
	And that's where I think there is a slippery slope.
	The fundamental interchangeability of genders with the same-sex marriage, I think it applies.
	You have to apply that reasoning to transgenderism, transsexualism, whatever you want to call it.
	But I do think it's actually much more reasonable.
	I'm not saying either is reasonable.
	to change your race than your sex because think about this for a second just one second come with me here where I mean where do you think he's gonna go with this he's definitely going to go if you have if you have a dark enough tan and you work for the NAACP in the whitest you know one of the whitest states imaginable Did you know she was born in Montana?
	Did you know that?
	I think she's from Anaconda and then but she went she was living in Spokane.
	Spokane Washington yeah and was a president of the NAACP chapter in Spokane.
	Now she sells her art and feet pictures on OnlyFans.
	Yep.
	I saw someone say the other day that they said her OnlyFans is very mid.
	No hate to sex work, of course.
	So it's 2015 the transgender issue is just kind of bubbling up and one of the main pop culture touch points in this period of time is of course Bruce Jenner had to go through severe hormone replacement therapy all kinds I mean a surgery where you essentially amputate your penis and testicles to become a woman it still very much looks like a man in a dress anyone would be able to point it out Rachel Dalzell Slapped on a spray tan and a sideshow bob, a fake perm, and fooled the NAACP for what?
	A decade?
	I mean, so wouldn't it seem as you're viewed by the public, that would show you that it's obviously a much more physical issue.
	I think she also fooled her husband who thought she was black as well.
	Is that true?
	You're right.
	It looks as if you can become somebody different on a racial level easier than you can become someone different on a gender level because Rachel Dolezal basically said she felt black.
	Yeah.
	So therefore she is black.
	So you can get up in the morning and feel Amish and become Amish.
	It's fantastic.
	Yeah.
	It's amazing.
	I just unplug the outlet for a few hours a day and I just role play with my wife.
	We go Amish.
	You know what's interesting?
	I love that one.
	He's like, yeah, I don't know what that means.
	Anyways, Amish is a religion, right?
	I don't even know.
	I mean, it's a lifestyle.
	I don't know much about Amish to talk about Amish.
	I only know about that song from Weird Al.
	What did you ask what it was?
	I said, is it a religion or is it an ethnicity?
	Yeah, it's a Christian fellowship.
	I think it's something that you most likely will be born into.
	This is what I was wondering, if it was an ethno-religion and some people describe it as an ethno-religion.
	I could see that, kind of like Judaism or something.
	Yeah.
	Ethno-religion.
	Yeah.
	Also, it was a lie.
	Rachel Dolezal didn't trick her husband into thinking she was black.
	In fact, Rachel Dolezal said her husband wasn't black enough for her, even though he was black, which is kind of interesting.
	Rachel Dolezal, I think, universally criticized.
	Like, there's no one that's going to bat for Rachel Dolezal.
	Not one person is like, respect her!
	Transracial?
	I don't think people respect the transracial thing and, like, I also think his timeline is, like, incorrect.
	I think Started doing the work for the NAACP.
	That's how she got into the position of leadership there because she was doing good work with them.
	I think over that time that she was in there is when she kind of made her quote-unquote transformation by going to Dark Tan, I guess.
	You know, I think what's so interesting about all this is that Stephen doesn't talk about this from the perspective of the person.
	Talking about Bruce Jenner transitioning.
	Does Bruce Jenner want to do that and transition into Caitlyn?
	Sounds like a choice.
	It sounds like a choice.
	It sounds like a freedom that Steven shouldn't be shitting on.
	Period.
	I don't care at all.
	If somebody comes to me and says, hey listen, call me a different name.
	Hey, the penis of mine you've never seen is now a vagina that you've never seen.
	I don't give a shit.
	Do what you want.
	You can't say that there's freedoms and then shit on people for exercising them.
	You can't do that.
	I think that's... I mean, you can, obviously.
	You have the freedom to do that, but you're an idiot.
	Yeah, and you're a piece of shit.
	Great.
	And then things take kind of an odd pivot, which I find interesting nonetheless.
	Anyway, every year they have something called the 100-plus most influential black Americans, and every year they omit Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Williams, three prominent black people, because they feel that they aren't black.
	That is to say, they have positions that are antithetical to the black community.
	But Rachel Dolezal, good to go.
	Explain that one to me, Stephen.
	I don't think I can explain it to you.
	I just wanted to make the joke about our sideshow Bob perm.
	Stumble.
	I do want to clarify a little bit about what they're talking about.
	They're talking about Ebony Magazine's Power 100 list.
	Okay.
	It's a list honoring the achievements of black individuals across various industries.
	Okay.
	Clarence Thomas has not been on this list.
	Okay.
	And neither has Rachel Dolezal.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	So weird that they would bring that up, which kind of makes it pointless for me to continue down this path.
	Yeah, what a weird equivalence.
	I think one of the reasons that Clarence hasn't made the Ebony Power 100 other than all his like, you know, shitty, hateful... Controversial bribes and shit?
	I mean, that's obviously 10 years ago.
	Yeah.
	It's honoring STEM trailblazers, entertainment powerhouses, community crusaders, influential characters, and business disruptors.
	What about judges?
	It's not in there.
	Okay.
	Uh-uh.
	I do want to know who was on the list in 2015, though.
	Yeah, number one, I'm gonna guess Idris Elba.
	Number two...
	John Legend.
	Oh, great, great.
	Amanda Steinberg, even back then.
	Was Barack Obama ever on the list?
	No, but we are going to talk a little bit about Barack Obama later.
	Wendy Williams, I hope she's doing well.
	Oh, boy.
	And even back in 2015, Kamala Harris.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	But, you know, it's funny, the Clarence Thomas thing.
	I was pretty young, and when I went back and read up on that, so I was too young to fully understand it.
	I was going, like, okay, to the best of my knowledge, it was a joke about, like, nether region hair and a coke can or something.
	I'm going, like, this doesn't seem to be a national story!
	Turn it down.
	It just shows you that some things can get so hyped up in the moment, and when someone comes in with a fresh point of view and just goes, this is what everyone was in arms about?
	I think we're going to have that about nearly everything occurring these last few years.
	I think you're right.
	What happened in the case of Clarence Thomas is that one of the women persons he worked with, her name was Anita Hill, said that he hit on her and said, there's a pubic hair on my coke, which was his boring, clumsy way of hitting on her.
	And for that reason, Clarence Thomas was perceived to be not qualified to be on the Supreme Court.
	Scotty, beam me up.
	I don't, I don't know.
	Sorry.
	And honestly, I feel like I'm going to get yelled at by Fundip.
	He's going to be really pissed about that.
	Uh, Clarence Thomas, it's fair.
	Anytime you are vetting a Supreme Court justice to bring up things that are bad in their past, of course, Clarence Thomas was accused by, like they said, Anita Hill, who is a law professor.
	of sexual harassment.
	Well, when she worked for him at the Department of Education and Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in the 80s, she said that he was like flirting pretty heavily with her, trying to get her to date him, making unwanted sexual advances.
	The Coke can thing, he got a Coke from her and said, hey, someone put a pubic hair on my Coke.
	Okay.
	Which eventually became kind of like a nickname for him.
	They're like Chief Justice Pube Coke.
	Pube Coke basically.
	Which is kind of interesting.
	But he also talked about how much he liked big boobs and lurid pornography including bestiality with her.
	Jesus.
	I think what I hate about these kind of things is they do this all the time on Steve and Joe, even now.
	They take a big issue and they minimize it down to the silliest part of the issue.
	Of course.
	And the pubic hair on the Coke can, not knowing the whole story, it sounds like him trying to test her openness to discussing sexuality.
	And that's not all that she was talking about.
	There's an entire movie about her coming forward, right?
	There's a TV movie called Confirmation, at least, from 2016, next year?
	Yeah, just after.
	And so I think...
	It's yeah, it just all that is Anita as well as a profile done But all that this is is just Steven minimizing a big issue down to a small issue All he did was thank Jesus all he did was talk about pubic hair on coke cans for some fucking reason It's deeper than that It's so much deeper than that and this is before all the other controversy surrounding Clarence Thomas like before the bribes and shit Yeah, it's a lot going on It wasn't a bribe, we just bought him a hot dog.
	Cool, sounds good.
	But back to race, of course.
	Let's get back.
	One thing I find funny, we're so afraid of the issue of race.
	I think the left over-politicizes race, they use it all the time.
	And then I think the right tries to act sometimes like they're colorblind.
	And I don't think you need to do either.
	To the point where I'll be watching boxing, where I'll be watching fights, and they'll be like, well, the gentleman in the red and white trunks, I'm going, there's a black guy and a white guy fighting.
	Why do we have to act like, just say like, the Mexican and the Irishman.
	Oh, okay, I get it.
	I don't want to have to calculate, you know, go on my color wheel in MS Paint and find the dot.
	What do you think is easier to identify?
	The color red or someone's ethnicity?
	How dumb is this take?
	Stephen, the reason they do the short color is because everyone always has a short color.
	Yeah.
	If there's two white guys, they're not going to be like, oh shit, if there's white guys... The Italian, the Irish and the Scottish guy.
	Come on, Stephen.
	Also, you can't clearly identify someone's ethnicity.
	Stephen trying a dumb joke that he's going to put in a stand-up set later.
	That's all it is.
	It landed well with this guy.
	What's his name?
	Larry?
	Larry Elliot.
	Landed well with Larry, but what a stupid, stupid take.
	He does something that quickly contradicts his statement here.
	He talks about it.
	A fun game with his friends.
	I actually play a game with Asians where it's, like, call it.
	So I go to my friend and I go, like, I think Korean.
	And they're like, well, Japanese.
	And then the one thing I can get is if they're like, Thai.
	I can get Thai.
	And people, I mean, it's not racist, it's just we don't know.
	I don't know the differences enough between a Chinese person and a Japanese person.
	I don't!
	And that's my blind spot.
	So maybe we should just identify boxers.
	By their clothes or shorts?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, no, I'm saying by race.
	Oh, yeah.
	And then be corrected by your other commentators like, no, I think he's actually... It falls into arguing about what race that person is.
	What the fuck are we talking about?
	But here's the thing is that this is Stephen making it all about race.
	Yeah.
	Like what he's accusing the left of doing.
	Yeah, and if I see if let's say I'm walking on the street, right and I see a Chinese person and a Korean person Japanese person That doesn't matter to me at all.
	They all walk into a bar.
	They don't walk into a bar and they all order drinks I don't give a shit.
	It was a setup for a joke.
	Yeah, of course.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't it doesn't know That's kind of what he's saying too is it doesn't matter which is true But don't why point it out if it doesn't matter like it does It's just, it's so... We don't need to say the Mexican is fighting the white guy.
	Of course, yeah.
	The only time it could matter is if you want to use their race to determine their value in some way.
	Yeah.
	It's a sort of hierarchy of... Totally.
	You know, and like, if you were going to be discussing... Oh, I don't know.
	Here's an example.
	My wife is Japanese.
	If I was talking about the food she makes, and I was like, you like Chinese food, right?
	That could be weird, right?
	That obviously could be strange.
	Otherwise, don't discuss race like that.
	Just don't.
	I mean, he doesn't want to pull out the MS Paint color wheel.
	Yeah, exactly.
	What is he going to do?
	MS Paint?
	What the fuck was that?
	Photoshop was around then, Steven.
	Yeah.
	And then Larry leaves and we come back from break.
	Great.
	Is that Ransom?
	Back in this program, I am your host, Steven Crowder.
	Follow me at scrowder.
	Insubordinate producer at Fun Dip Van.
	I thought earlier today we said that I was an incompetent producer.
	It's not nice.
	Only incompetent people can call each other incompetent.
	Oh, okay.
	So like I can call somebody fat.
	You have an incompetence pass.
	Yeah, that's rancid.
	Damn, if I fall back down... I think that all these bands would be so pissed that Steven had them on his show.
	Yeah, I think that that's... Spoiler alert, Dennis, I was going to cover the Andrew W.K.
	interview episode, which happened eight episodes before this.
	But then I remembered that Andrew WK at this period in time was like a frequent guest on Red Eye, so... I think he just wanted the attention.
	Yeah, and I mean, I did listen to a bit of it and he talks about how he's not really a political guy, he just likes to talk to everyone.
	So, it wasn't as exciting.
	That's my experience with him.
	Byron's experience was he... He didn't want to talk to me.
	At all.
	He did not want to talk to Byron at all.
	Yeah, in 2016... No, it wasn't 2016, it was 2013.
	Damn, before, yeah.
	Yeah, Byron had him sign a skateboard and he said... No, I think it was the record.
	He didn't sign my skateboard.
	Oh yeah, it was a record and it said, like, hey Byron, best wishes 2009 Andrew WK.
	He signed it the wrong year.
	That was crazy!
	But he, I had to like bug him.
	Yeah, you had to bother him.
	He wanted to leave so bad and he like grabbed him.
	Yeah, weird.
	That was Rancid and, uh, Fundip.
	What were we talking about?
	Fundip's incompetent, so he has an incompetence password.
	That's right, and only incompetent people can call people incompetent?
	Did Stephen just call himself incompetent?
	I'm not really sure what he's talking about.
	We have one more guest.
	This guy's name is Brad Thor, and we're coming in with another musical cue.
	Great.
	Uh, patriotic guy, at Brad Thor, author, now this book, Brad, is coming out next Tuesday.
	Correct.
	The 7th of July.
	The 7th of July.
	And you just gave it to me and I just dropped the name of the book in my brain.
	My new thriller is called Code of Conduct.
	Code of Conduct.
	Okay, I was like, Act of Valor?
	That can't be it.
	It was one of those.
	I knew it had something to do with that.
	So coming in with Weezer.
	Good old Weezer.
	Is that pork and beans?
	It is pork and beans.
	I like that we can celebrate the nine-year anniversary of this book coming out.
	Yeah, congratulations Brad Thor, I guess.
	Conservative libertarian, but he is a never Trump guy, which is quite interesting.
	So he's been really critical of Trump even from the beginning saying he's unfit to serve.
	So much so that he got in a bit of hot water on the Glenn Beck Show May of 2016.
	He said a little bit too much saying that the country would be endangered if Trump got elected and then kind of called for his assassination.
	Which people didn't like.
	As he is a Tom Clancy-esque author he often gets accused of Islamophobia and racism because of his like Interesting guy coming on the program to talk to someone who immediately forgot the title of his new book.
	Yeah, right.
	And it was called Code of Contact, and he said Act of Valor.
	Close!
	Close, that's close.
	He had to oven it, right?
	I saw FunDip slip his incompetence passes away.
	Great.
	This is Brad Thor.
	Well, I call what I do, Stephen, faction, where you don't know where the facts end and the fiction begins.
	It's like Jon Stewart.
	It's like Jon Stewart at Comedy Central, exactly.
	He's a faction author.
	A faction author.
	Why didn't Alternative Facts pick faction?
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, he's also kind of a fucking dork, honestly.
	It sounds like it.
	My goal is to give you a white-knuckle thrill ride, but I like to mix in facts, things that are really happening in the real world.
	In fact, one of the best emails I get is when somebody says, you know, I have to read your books with my laptop open because you write about these things and I'm convinced it's got to be the fiction, but it turns out that these things are real.
	Code of conduct, actually, I drew from two things that I'd found out in the world.
	One is, somebody spent a fortune, I don't know if it was Ted Turner or what, to build what's being called the American Stonehenge down in Georgia.
	There are these huge slabs of granite with all this wild, wild globalist stuff written all over, and kind of this predicting of this big event they think is going to come.
	And a couple years ago, some of the dovetails with that is that there was a very big international organization having a very secret meeting high in the Alps in a chalet.
	It sounds like a thriller movie or a thriller novel.
	And some of the information from that meeting got leaked.
	And what these guys were planning is exactly what's on those big slabs of granite, this American Stonehenge down in Georgia.
	And I said, this would make a fascinating platform to launch a great summer beach read out of.
	So that's what I did.
	Sounds to me like to come up for ideas for your book.
	You have to be pretty world.
	I don't think Steven at this point knew anything about this.
	And thinking back to 2015, I don't know if I did either.
	But what Brad is talking about is a combination of the Georgia Guidestones and the Bilderberg Group, which are two kind of prominent conspiracy theory heavy concepts.
	In a separate podcast Jared and I may have went through the in 2002 on July 6th interesting There was an explosion that damaged one of these slabs Yeah, like you said America's Stonehenge because no one well, I mean I feel like that at this point they've identified Who likely made it?
	Yeah, and I don't really think we need to get deep into this This is a great excuse for us to talk about conspiracy theories, but I'm not prepared for it but Someone tried to blow it up because they say that it implies world depopulation.
	It just basically states like what to do in what order if there should be an apocalypse event or... Oh like rebuild?
	Yeah like and it just I think there's like some information things you would need to know that most people don't know.
	It says to maintain a population of under 500 million to be in balance with nature to guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity that's a little bit of yeah that's a little bit of like selective breeding conversation yeah eugenics don't like that they want to unite humanity under living new language sure
	English.
	It sounds kind of like... Sure, yeah.
	Rule, passion, faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason.
	So it's like anti-ish religion, I guess.
	Sure.
	But protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
	Let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court.
	More of that.
	Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
	Balance personal rights and social duties.
	Socialism.
	Yeah, a little bit.
	Prize truth, beauty, love, seeking harmony with the infinite and be not a cancer on the earth, leave room for nature.
	It's interesting, but that's kind of all it is to me.
	I guess when Brad wrote about this, that is kind of a cool thing to toss into your weird... It feels futuristic.
	It feels post-apocalyptic.
	It's just like that record we sent out into space or whatever that has a bunch of information.
	It feels ominous because it exists in real life.
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's strange.
	But I mean, we also have like a bunker of tons of seeds in case the world falls apart.
	Totally.
	Yeah.
	And that's not scary.
	And that's interesting.
	I bet Brad's probably written about that.
	He's knocking out one of these like every two months.
	He will soon.
	It's gonna be called Seeds of Change.
	Despair.
	Seeds of Despair.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Either way, it seems like Steven is unaware of this at this point.
	I'm sure Nick DiPaolo is well aware though.
	Of course.
	So now that they've joined forces, I bet they have fun.
	Spirited conversations about it, as well as the Bilderberg Group, which is the, you know, the collection of world powers meetings to supposedly talk about globalist ideas.
	Yeah, interesting.
	Worldly.
	What?
	Oh, I don't know.
	This is Brad though.
	Okay.
	Brad quickly diverts all this praise that Stephen's pushing in his direction to reference something Stephen's done online.
	But if it's any, uh, if it's any, uh, satisfaction for you, I'll have you know that I can't get that damn Peace Prize song out of my head to this day.
	And my kids will say, look what I just found.
	And I'll go, was it a Peace Prize?
	I do that.
	My kids have seen it.
	It's actually, so we have kind of this insider joke at home about Crowder.
	So it's, uh, it's kind of a, it's no, it's a funny thing.
	And I, it's not really that funny actually.
	What is this Peace Prize thing you're talking about?
	So remember when Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize?
	Sure, yeah.
	Yeah, it was 2009, less than a year into his presidency, and it was controversial because people said that it was a little too soon and, you know, kind of a centralizing moments and uniting moments in the world.
	Yeah, nobody united around Obama, unfortunately.
	Oh, is that right?
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, I wish, but it definitely did not play out like that.
	They basically said that he, yeah, He did eventually become the deporter-in-chief who also drone-struck a bunch of people, but I don't think he's great because he's nice and well-spoken.
	I like Obama broadly.
	Yeah, this Peace Prize song currently only has about 300,000 views.
	And it's nine years old.
	I think it's actually older than that, but I think it's really interesting.
	Is it a shitty cover?
	It's not a cover.
	It's an original piece.
	An original?
	The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama.
	I am both surprised and deeply humbled.
	I heard it today, Barack got a prize.
	Seems that dish in Peace Prize is left and right.
	If you want a prize, you can do it too.
	There's just a few things that you gotta do.
	I mow the lawn, I got a peace prize.
	Doing the laundry, that's a peace prize.
	I'm grooming my dog, peace prize.
	He seems to like it, that's a peace prize.
	You get a peace prize.
	He gets a peace prize.
	We all get peace prizes.
	That was so bad.
	It seems like he did make it with GarageBand.
	Yeah, what is that?
	Stock plugins.
	I should also note that the song's called the GOTSA Peace Prize.
	GOTSA?
	Yeah, G-O-T-S apostrophe A. Why would it be apostrophe A?
	I don't know, man.
	Liberate Iraq?
	You get no peace prize.
	Curb AIDS in Africa?
	No peace prize.
	Your last name is Bush?
	You get no peace prize.
	Haha, no peace prize.
	Obama gets a peace prize.
	Automatic peace prize.
	Huh, peace prize.
	Everybody, peace prize.
	Yeah, sometimes, you know, we're all creators and stuff, you know, and you want to make, like, a thing happen in the background.
	Like, the thing is, is that you have to make the thing happen, you know what I mean?
	So, I always just think about the process of him going in there, turning on his Scarlet in his bedroom.
	Scarlet went out then.
	Oh, good point.
	2015.
	They might have just gotten on the scene.
	Got the Apogee duo, whatever.
	Yes, PreSonus.
	$700 preamp that he's got for his Windows Book or whatever he's using, and the shittiest microphone possible.
	I mean, he's got better microphones at the studio, but is he using it?
	It's an Audio-Technica he got at a Hastings or something.
	The MXL-2 my kitty got from Musician's Friend.
	And he's just going absolutely in in his apartment.
	Peace Prize!
	Yeah.
	All the preparation, all of the thought, and this is the shit you take.
	And Hillary's having like a, she's like watching TV on the living room and he's like in the closet with his vocal booth.
	Can you turn that down out there?
	It's getting, it's bleeding into my Peace Prize!
	Yeah it stinks, it's bad.
	Peace Prize!
	So we go to commercial break and we come back, we still got Brad.
	We were just talking about this decision this week.
	Listen, my whole position on that, I think, has been remarkably consistent in that, I don't want to say I'm remarkable, it's been consistent in that I've tried to separate being a Christian, personally, and my respect for the Constitution as an American, and I think that just like divorce laws, custody laws, fault laws, as it relates to marriage, states have the right to decide those, and if they want to decide gay marriage, absolutely, my problem is with an overreach of It's good to know that he's consistent.
	He is.
	And not because he's a Christian.
	No.
	As a constitutionalist.
	He respects those no-fault divorce laws, of course.
	Of course he does.
	He respects them.
	So here's what I think is so interesting to me.
	We draw the line with states' rights, but I don't understand why we would do that.
	Like, I just don't understand why we do it.
	Because there's some things, keeping like water laws local or land ownership laws local, I can kind of see it there.
	But things like, because there's no restriction of movement within the United States, why would things like weed or guns or marriage be restricted?
	Because I can go to any state I want.
	I can go to New York.
	I can go to Minnesota.
	I can go to Alabama.
	Why would I have different rights in different states if I can move freely between those What if it was like currency isn't, you know?
	Yeah, right?
	Like where do we draw the line?
	And I know that's obviously a slippery slope argument.
	Sure.
	But like at the end of the day, I can't see the reasoning why I should be able to go down to Indiana and buy a gun and then take it up to Chicago.
	I don't understand why that makes sense from a logical standpoint.
	Country to country, I understand it only because we have border between and we have like customs and we have, there's someone enforcing those laws.
	I can't take my gun into Japan.
	They also have customs that controls that.
	And they have no freedom over there because obviously they aren't America.
	Sheriff is the highest.
	Yeah.
	No, I just don't get it.
	I agree.
	And maybe that makes me a globalist.
	Sure.
	At least a socialist.
	At least a socialist.
	You're a communist, though, for sure.
	Okay, definitely.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, which brings us to the end of this journey, boys.
	We got one more clip.
	What a ride.
	We hear a little bit from Brad, who is the man who was pro-assassination of Donald Trump, and he did eventually leave the Republican Party, became an independent.
	Okay.
	And I believe he ran against Donald Trump, but... This guy, Brad Thorpe?
	Yeah, he did.
	Didn't go very far.
	Doesn't sound like it.
	I didn't hear about him until today.
	Yeah, I didn't either.
	He does have some feelings about Donald Trump.
	And remember, this is a pre-Donald Trump presidency.
	And we'll learn a little bit about how Stephen felt, too.
	I will tell you what Trump will do. Trump will make sure that it's not, and I'm not pro-Trump.
	I mean, I've declared for- I know where you're going and I agree.
	But he's so good for the primary process because he's going to attract attention. Heck, I'd like
	Snooki to be in there and JWoww and some of those other chuckleheads from reality television.
	Because if it gets people paying attention, we live in such a bread and circus society, so if Trump draws attention to the ideas that we think are great just on our side for the country, that's awesome.
	That's great.
	Glad to have him.
	Please keep throwing bombs and being populist.
	It's awesome.
	Yeah, well he hasn't even filed a paperwork and I think he was a Democrat until 2009 and gave all his money to the Democrat Party, filed Chapter 11 four times, so I certainly don't want to see him as president, but I do think he's good at poking his finger in the chest and making sure that some kind of a discussion happens.
	I didn't realize we have to let you go.
	My final word on this is never trust a man whose hair defies both good taste and gravity, neither of which yours does, so Brad Thor...
	Wow, Steven's so consistent!
	So he's not into it a year prior.
	No, no, saying kind of all the same things that we said.
	Yeah, I mean he was on the train, you know, the Trump derangement syndrome before Trump derangement syndrome was Syndrome-in.
	Yeah, I don't know how firm my stance was on Donald Trump in 2005 compared to him.
	When he announced his presidency, I said Donald Trump will never be president.
	Once he won the primary, I was like, We're fully fucked.
	Yeah.
	I don't think I've ever had that much of a pivot in a presidential candidate before.
	Right?
	Like, I wanted Bernie a lot in 2016 and 2020, but I still feel the same about Bernie.
	And the only thing I could say about Trump would be looking back at Trump and thinking he wouldn't be as extreme as he was or as he is now.
	Yeah.
	But I definitely wasn't like, that guy's got my thoughts in mind.
	We could bring back Howard Dean.
	I'm sure that we all were like...
	We've all leaned back to do a big hearty yeah.
	And it's like, actually, he was happy.
	That was like a different time, you know?
	And people were like, that guy's a schmuck for being excited.
	He should never be that excited.
	Yeah, that's stupid.
	For politics, what an idiot.
	But now we're looking at this and saying, oh, maybe we should bring back Howard Dean.
	What the fuck is he doing?
	I would rather have Jeb Bush with his please clap.
	Please clap.
	Please clap.
	Guys, the past, huh?
	So weird.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's a weird.
	It's weird to look back on that.
	A visage.
	Almost ten years ago was that moment.
	Nine years ago.
	I'm tempted to say this is not about all I can handle this week, because this is an interesting journey.
	This one was fun, and, man, Fundip Dan!
	Fundip Dan rules.
	I mean, Stephen did say some fucked up, hateful stuff.
	Of course.
	Fundip Dan healed me.
	He was pulling punches, though.
	Maybe he was, like, not as mad back then, I guess, huh?
	We really started this show in the midst of maybe the worst time of his life.
	That is true!
	When I think about where I'm at in my life, he has way more responsibility than I do.
	He's got children.
	He's got an ex-wife.
	He's handing out lawsuits to people and he's having to follow up with all those things.
	That's just a lot of fucking stress, man.
	you know now we're now we're seeing him uh maybe a millionaire but also uh yeah what at what cost it's like it's not even like that much money to be that much of a fucking troll all the time but well it reminds me of that tweet i sent you earlier the one from uh it was a quote treat it was a quote treat it was a quote a treat of a quote tweet It was a quote it was a treat of a quote tweet that Milo Yiannopoulos said in response to someone asking what's the best movie you've seen that depicts a character's descent into madness and he responded louder with Crowder.
	A lot has changed.
	I'm curious to see what happens after he returns from this vacation.
	In the meantime, we're gonna do some digs.
	I'm not sure if it's gonna be all in the past.
	I do know one thing that is in the past is we are gonna be covering his stand-up set that I attended in Spokane, Washington.
	I did review some of that audio.
	Wow.
	Great.
	I'm excited.
	We're gonna have a lot of fun.
	This is a perspective of Steven that I haven't seen, and I'm excited to be investigating this.
	It's been a hell of a journey, and today lifted my spirits a little bit.
	Oh good.
	Well I'm happy to hear it.
	If you disagree with anything that we've said, feel free to convince us otherwise.
	Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
	Even One Star?
	No!
	I mean, you know what?
	I don't mind them.
	Yeah, it's funny.
	It is funny!
	You're right, it is funny.
	You can find us on x than Crowder, louder than Crowder dot com, louder with Crowder dot net.
	I think eventually we'll get that up.
	Eventually.
	Yeah, we'll get there.
	Until next time, I'm Byron.
	I'm Jared.
	And this is Dennis.
	Take care.
	It's Byron from the present, which is also the past now, but I realized, sadly, even though Dennis has explicitly said that he shares a birthday with Steven Crowder several times over the course of this podcast, we neglected to mention that and wish Dennis a happy birthday.
	I'm a terrible friend, but If you want to help me make up for it, we do have that new unofficial subreddit r slash Louder Than Crowder.
	You can say something there, leave a nice review, or reach out to us on Twitter at Than Crowder.
	I'm sorry, Dennis.
	Jared and I love you and appreciate you very much.
	You get a Peace Prize.
	Peace Prize!
	Everybody!
	Peace Prize!
	Desmond Tutu ain't got nothing on me!
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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