Candace Owens Understands Criminal Procedure Better Than Most Lawyers
Lionel Nation praises Candace Owens as a superior trial lawyer while dismissing Laura Loomer and international news to focus on the Tyler Robinson case. He critiques prosecution tactics regarding withheld forensic data, debates televising the trial under the Sixth Amendment, and rejects MKUltra conspiracy defenses. The episode delivers a rigorous legal lesson distinguishing hearsay from non-hearsay evidence, analyzing exceptions like excited utterances and business records, while detailing spousal privileges and attorney-client protections to illustrate how procedural rules shape criminal justice outcomes. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome to Our Evening00:04:41
Good evening, dear friends.
Good evening, and welcome to this hour, our evening.
Our evening.
Our evening.
That's all I'm going to say.
It's our evening, and I'm so glad you could be with us.
What a day today.
If you happen to catch, if you missed, if you missed Candace, you missed maybe one of the best ones ever.
Sometimes they're very, very good.
Sometimes they're exceptional.
Today was exceptional.
And in no particular order.
How about that Laura Loomer?
See, I was wondering, Laura, do you know what you're doing?
There's an expression, don't F with the falcon unless you can fly.
Have you ever heard that expression?
Okay.
So when she decides, I'm going to make up a lot of stuff about Candace's husband, and I thought to myself, do you really know what you're doing?
Candace made it very, very obvious, very, very simple.
And, uh, Certainly, I think it's very, very obvious that there is something exceedingly wrong with Laura Lumer.
Let me just explain a couple of things here.
First and foremost, we use the word everybody's crazy.
This one's crazy.
This one's nuts.
You're nuts.
He's nuts.
Everybody's nuts.
I don't think as many people are nuts and as crazy as you might think.
I don't believe so.
I don't think people are crazy.
I think there are personalities.
Disorders and the like.
I think that is something.
We will certainly get to the bottom of all of that, but we have a show tonight.
We're going to go through the court case.
We're going to go through everything.
The email I get, just my level of excitement.
And I cannot think of anybody that I would want to share this evening more than you.
Period.
End of discussion.
Because, my friends, we have become, in a very real and strange way, family.
And I think it was one, I think it was even Bersheed Macron one time who said, So did I, Johnny.
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Like I told you, I don't like to use the word crazy.
I don't think many people are crazy.
There's crazy at one end that's hospitalizable, you know, seriously, seriously crazy, where you're hearing voices, you're really not well, things are very, very bad.
That's one extreme.
But you can be very near that and still be problematic and be dangerous.
Laura Loomer, under whatever particular, whatever is your, Definitional system is severely, severely troubled.
In West Tampa, there was an expression tocado, which is like touched, which means either you're very, very talented or you're crazy.
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One of the, you're touched, touched by God, touched by the devil, touched by somebody.
She is tocado.
Another one too is arrebadao, which is like deep fried, crispy.
This is a woman who has shown she is showing some very desperate, some examples of wild desperation, and then she'll do a lot of things when she feels like she has to.
She's not even Jewish.
She's not even Jewish.
Whether she is clinically bipolar is a different story.
Steve, by the way, Stephen Salty says, I appreciate your honesty, Lionel.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you as well.
I hope you all signed up for the newsletter.
Did you sign up for the newsletter?
One went out today.
Oh, my God.
By the way, please.
In case you just tuned in, I'm going to jump back and forth to every kind of topic I want.
I may stop, go back, go back again, change it, bring something, whatever, whatever, whatever runs through this stream of consciousness, my friend.
It's who I am.
It's who I am, is what I am, is what I'm going to be.
And there's not a damn thing I can do to.
So if you will just indulge me, it's not personal.
I just get into a riff.
I get into a riff.
I get into a weird kind of, not really weird, but I just, my mind is just wild.
And I want to tell you something that happened.
There was a, I did send something out today, kind of like a, it was a little bit of a, kind of a generic email regarding what's going on involving the case, which we're talking about, regarding Tyler Robinson.
And I got this email back from somebody, and I have to read this to you, because this just, this kills me, and for a couple of reasons.
I'll explain it to you why, and then I'll explain more.
And it reads as follows.
And it was a nice letter, but not really nice, but people, have you ever met people today who don't know they're being rude?
They just, they're rude, and they don't realize it.
They don't.
I don't understand it.
But there's a portion of it.
By the way, I will never read the name of someone who sends me an email, but I will read you parts of the letter.
This is from the first one.
You ready for this?
It is.
Oh, come on.
Where is this?
Is that it?
No, that's not it.
Hang on a minute.
Doggone it.
Well, I can pretty much.
Yeah, I can go back and I can explain this to you.
Let me see if I can get this.
Well, let me just paraphrase.
It doesn't really matter.
He said, Why are you talking about Erica Kirk or Candace?
There's so much more that I really want to hear you discuss.
I really want to hear you discuss this.
I really want to hear you talk about things like the Persian Gulf, what is going on in terms of the Strait of Hormuz.
The Viktor Orban presidency in Hungary.
You're dying to talk about that.
And oh, there were so many others.
I've got to read this to you.
This just, this, I want to, oh, here we go.
Here we go.
Oh, here we go.
This is it.
I'm going to share this to you.
I'm going to read this in its entirety.
Because this says it all.
Again, I think it goes sometimes, you know, when somebody has a show.
Like, if you go to somebody's show and you say, Why did you sing those songs?
Or why is it, well, it's my show.
Anyway, let me read this to you.
Any chance that you will devote more time on other issues?
I have been an avid follower of your activities and even attended one of your cutting room debriefings, which is very nice.
Thank you.
Although Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Eric Kirk are important, I personally would like to hear your analysis on the many other events unfolding internationally.
From the obvious issues, Occurring in the Persian Gulf, where we need Uncle Lionel to get the audience to question the propaganda from so many sources, to the shenanigans occurring in Europe on multiple fronts Ukraine war, the downward spiral of the EU and the UK, Hungary's election interference and its implications, and so much more.
And he writes, and there are the domestic issues here immigration, failure of Congress acting on the Save America Act, the hostile takeover of Virginia by Governor Spanberger.
And the anti Nick Shirley law against investigative reporting, a ruse to protect the country, crippling fraud occurring all across America.
And again, sorry to repeat myself, but so much more.
I don't mean to have this message be as long as it was, but America needs your commentary on so many other topics.
There were other unquestionably exciting times.
I believe that there are others than just myself who would welcome your thoughts.
Best regards.
Best regards.
Who wants to talk about Viktor Orban?
Raise your hand.
Anybody?
Anybody?
Anybody want to hear my take on, you ready for this?
The Persian Gulf, Iran, the Strait of Hormuz, the Bab el Mandeb, the Gate of Tears.
How about the United States committing piracy?
It's not that it's not important.
Do you want to talk about this now?
You want to talk about that now?
Seriously, you think after what we're talking about, after what you would honestly say, I mean, if you could be the producer of a show, yeah, talk about that.
Kill the show.
Kill it.
Right now, there is such a demand to discuss at all levels available what's going on involving Candace and Aragon, Charlie, and the trial.
It's a fascinating true crime story.
It's a lot of other things as well.
Can you believe that?
I'm going to stop and say, no, we're not going to talk about it.
No.
Is it interesting?
No.
For talk radio?
No.
Absolutely not.
If you want to hear that, I know where you should go.
I'll tell you exactly where to go.
I'll give you their names.
I'm sure they'll be glad to hear you and they're glad to have you.
I mean it.
And there was one story I heard the other day where there's one in particular, I'm not going to mention his name, but if you heard him a year, well, February the 28th is really Iran, but if you look a year ago, six months ago, and today, you can't tell the difference.
It's the same subjects talking about the same thing Trump's crazy, Trump doesn't know what he's doing, America's losing his force, we're going to lose.
Okay, fine.
And it's not that it's unimportant.
Do you want to talk about this, the Mets?
I know a friend of mine who is almost sitting Shiva.
He may need antidepressants.
The Mets are first 10 games behind, they're a disaster.
You want to talk about that?
He's crying as we speak.
You want to talk about that?
That's important.
How about the fact that Tim Cook stepped down from Apple so he can run the AI?
You want to talk about that?
That's good for what, 30 seconds?
See, a lot of these stories are interesting for 30 seconds.
And you say, but there's no there, there.
There's no, say, what do you do next?
How about that, Victor Orban?
How about that, Hungary?
Keep going.
There is no keeping going.
There's no, I mean, it's interesting, but there's not for a show.
So I'm not going to do that.
And I don't think you want to do that.
And I don't call anybody up and say, why are you talking about this?
Why in the name of God are you discussing this?
This is a sports show.
Why are you doing a sports show?
Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point, but this is what's happening right now.
I can tell you that I listen to, and my wife will tell you, no talk radio, no anything, no really no.
I'll listen to a guest here and there.
There's some people I really like to hear, but I catch Candace.
You know what that is for me?
I catch Candace.
I listen to her show and I'm thinking it's incredible.
I like it.
There's so much I like about it.
And I like it.
There's so much about the pacing, the delivery.
I like the feel, the feel that I get from it.
It's a great, it's not pondering.
It's not, you know, oh my God, it's not strident.
It's not any of this stuff.
It's fun.
It's exciting.
And it deals with a subject which is really, really interesting.
In this case, which we'll talk about.
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And I think she knows probably more criminal procedure than most lawyers.
Because most lawyers are not trial lawyers.
Most lawyers are not trial lawyers.
And they don't know anything about this.
They don't try cases, they've never tried cases.
Or very few of them are involved in criminal law.
So, of most lawyers, very few do that.
And by virtue of, I hate to say it, her own litigation, she knows more than most people.
Hey guys, what did you think of Erica's intro music?
Oh, that was fantastic.
Who was it?
There was a great caller at the end who cracked our Ms. Candace up.
It sounded like something from Star Wars.
It was the worst.
I'm glad you brought that up.
How many of you listened and said, You're kidding me?
This sounds like doom, like she's.
The voice of doom, despair, horror.
Did you hear this?
Who said, that's good?
Play that.
This woman is so out to lunch, so gone.
She doesn't get it.
And after she plays this awful, funereal, almost warlike, hmm.
What does she say?
Hi, everybody.
It's me.
You can never win either paid of or a shill.
Let me try this again.
You can never win either paid of or a shill.
LOL.
I don't know what that means.
I think I do.
I think I do.
I'm not sure, but thank you.
I think I know what that means.
I'm not sure.
Now, The movie goes up, but I'll say back to Laura Loomer.
She's done it now.
Why is President Trump even, and I don't know if it's, I don't know if I heard somebody told me that maybe Susie, maybe Susie Lake, Susie Lake, Susie Wiles had maybe done something to get rid of her.
I don't really, not get rid of her, but remove her from the areas.
The president is going to be appearing with his staff at the White House correspondence.
Did you see that?
Why is he doing that?
Why is he doing that?
Can somebody tell me?
Can you fill me in?
Can anybody fill me in on this one?
Do you think the president should be going to the White House correspondence?
I say no, absolutely not.
None.
I want them to be dead.
He just gave them legitimacy by thinking that this stupid HR Christmas time.
Have you ever had the chance to go to somebody's Christmas party and they're the worst?
They have a skit or somebody imitates the owner or something.
It's just bad.
It's.
You know, corny crap.
That's what this is.
So, the president, I would say, F you, all of yous, all of you.
I want you gone.
I want you done.
I don't even, I don't go to, this is beneath me.
You are the shell.
You're not Mike Wallace.
You're not Cronkite.
You're not during the days of Peter Jennings where it mattered.
You're nothing.
Barry Weiss came in and gutted your CBS.
You couldn't even do anything.
Because Ellison's son bought it, and you're terrible.
CNN is a joke.
MS Now, have you seen how bad that is?
Are they in 30 Rock anymore?
I don't even think they're there.
They're like in a, yeah.
Where did they broadcast from?
Like, Secaucus or something?
I don't know where.
But they're like in a closet.
And if you want to see something really bad, you've got to see Joe and Meager in the morning.
This one.
First of all, this woman is cuckoo, nuts, gone, gone.
She always was.
Her whole thing is she's the turd in the punch bowl.
Her whole thing is, oh, stop that.
Now there's nobody there.
Now there was not, there's nobody there.
It is, it is this.
She is so full of shit.
And he's gone.
He, I don't even know what he wants to be.
He, have you seen that bird's nest on his head?
Whatever that thing is.
What is that?
What the hills in Scarborough's hair partially say.
What?
Oh, they're on 43rd Street.
You're kidding me.
That's it.
The old gray lady, that old one where they have the, they used to back the trucks in.
Did we go there one day?
Remember the woman with the theater?
Huh?
So they're in the old New York Times building on 43rd Street.
Oh.
This is it.
Why?
Quick, quick vote, everybody.
Should Trump go to the correspondence dinner?
Yes or no?
One for yes, two for no.
Let's hear it.
Let's hear it.
What do you think?
What do you think?
Come on, baby.
What is it?
Oh, wait a second.
There's a little bit of a lag.
No.
Look at this.
I got two no's.
Hillbilly got no.
Oh.
I earned my no.
Look at this.
No, no.
One?
Okay.
Who said?
Tell me one.
Give me one.
Okay, here's, let me give you one.
Here's one.
Okay, here's Rick Jackson.
Rick, why do you say one?
Why?
Are you just being a dick?
Von Anken says, no joke, the Imperial March would be way better intro song.
You're right about that.
If I want to hear somebody to do me, thank you, by the way, Von Anken.
Von Anken, what do you think?
You think he should go?
When he goes there, he's telling them that they're legitimate.
That the president of the United States, who has been, they have said everything you can imagine about him, and we'll continue, that he is dutifully engaging, we'll put it this way, he is acknowledging their worth.
Why?
You know, the jokes are going to be terrible.
You know, I don't know who's going to write for him, it's going to be horrible.
Maybe Stephen Miller will write for him.
Stephen Miller, Stephen Miller is great if he's on your side, but if you didn't know Stephen Miller, And your daughter came home with Stephen Miller, you would get an injunction.
I mean, the guy creeps me out, but he's very good when it comes to certain things about him.
But you ever see the way he talks like this?
He talks like this, and he does this thing.
He turns his head, and he's very good, but he's sort of there.
By the way, Tom Holman, where's he?
Tom Holman, mouthful of marbles, where's he been?
Where'd these people go?
They just disappear one day.
They just gone.
JD Vance?
JD Vance, who, after he was humiliated in Islamabad, what's going on?
Think about this.
Where is this?
The president has no, nobody is telling them.
Nobody's told the president to stay away from Laura Loomer, who, by the way, according to Candace, isn't even Jewish.
Isn't Jewish, wasn't Jewish.
Maybe, I don't know if she even converted.
What?
You know how people say, well, I don't know if they're paid off.
If she's not paid off, why would Israel want her anywhere near the issue?
I'd say, get out of here.
We don't need you.
Who are the Israeli?
What's her name?
Gad Godot, or whatever.
She's a model or something.
Get somebody who's rational, who's young.
Oh, yeah, an actress.
You know what I mean?
But Laura Loomer?
Does the president know what's going on?
I like the guy.
But I'm saying, does he know what's going on?
I really, honest to God, I don't think he knows what the hell is going on.
Somebody asked a very good question.
Liggy says, Liggy says, damn good.
She says, Who is Laura Loomer, though?
I never heard of her until months ago.
I Googled her and still not sure where she came from or what she does.
Excellent point.
I don't know.
She was somebody who was, I don't know.
She just came out of nowhere.
Who's anybody for that matter?
Who's anybody?
You notice how things are just, for example, some people who are Ben Shapiro, and I'm not saying these people because Ben Shapiro is so irrelevant.
He must have pictures of Netanyahu with a duck or something because I don't understand why he is there.
He's obnoxious.
He comes across as this annoying pain in the ass.
Why is he there?
What is the purpose?
Seriously.
I don't know.
Have you seen people like, remember when Ben, I mean, Glenn Beck?
What is this?
Do you see where this is going?
Have you seen Hannity's thing now where he's trying to be Sean Ryan?
I saw him.
Is he like smoking a cigar and drinking scotch?
Like, I'm cool.
I'm cool.
I'm smoking a cigar.
I got a cigar.
I'm smoking scotch.
I'm drinking scotch.
I'm cool.
I'm going to have Stephen A. Smith, who I think is mentally retarded.
I don't know where this guy comes from.
I mean, are you kidding me?
Are you who?
Remember one time, you probably don't know this.
Maybe you do.
Remember when.
Murrow had you, was it you were there?
Yeah, you were there.
He went into people's homes.
He goes, Hello, Ed.
Hello, we're here at the home of Lucille Ba and Desi Arnaz.
How are you?
Hello, Ed.
Hello, Ed.
You know, Desi, you and me.
It was like the worst show.
It was black and white.
It was like Kinescope was horrible.
And they said, and they told Murrow, Why are you doing this?
And it was a tish or somebody said, Look, you got to do it.
This is what he knew it was over with.
But who gets handed in and says, he's not a likable, lovable guy.
You know, there's no, you know what I mean?
And he's doing the Sean Ryan kind of a, you know, where you sit around and you got like a rumpus room and you got a guy and you, you know, you sit around where you think to yourself, okay, like Theo Vaughn talking to Bobby Lee.
By the way, Bobby Lee, I don't get it.
Give or watch him.
He's Korean, I think.
His whole thing is don't insult me because I'm Asian or whatever.
I don't get it.
But anyway, Theo Vaughn is very interesting.
But some places, others, at least they're, they kind of laugh.
You know what I mean?
They, they laugh.
But Hannity's going to sit back and talk to these people.
Tucker did it a while back.
Remember Tucker's old set?
That weird set.
It was like a, it was plywood and cedar.
It was his first one.
It's like, what is this?
It was this weird.
Now he's got a really kind of a funky, his main house.
I like it.
It's, it's interesting.
I think, I guess it's, you know, he, he probably went to every, um, like, um, Where do they buy those things like, you know, antlers and beer and beer, deer trophies?
And, you know, you buy bric a brac.
And yeah, isn't there a place to go?
Like, I want to have like a knight and shining, you know, like a knight and spears.
Like, he has this kind of a funky place.
I think it's like a kind of a, maybe it's a kitchen or something.
That's his new thing.
And Tucker's got a, it's a good feel.
It feels, you know, Good.
But Hannity, see, do you see where it's all going?
It's the people who they're really looking to, people like Megan Kelly.
Megan Kelly, who's trying, she's not there yet.
She still has that, how do I say this?
She still has that kind of network look or feel to her.
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But others are just doing just great.
And Candace, this is it.
You see what I'm saying?
This is where it's happening.
Nobody's able to replicate this.
So, going back to what I said, I don't know what's going on.
Now, next, what Candace said is she really understands what's going on regarding the case.
Did you hear the grandpa?
Did you hear today?
Huh?
Did you hear old Tyler's granddad?
Didn't he sound like a nice guy?
He said, I'm here.
I support him.
My father was a cop because his great grandfather was a cop, and that was his, that was his, um, You know, his rifle and his gun.
And I didn't know that.
It made him sound like his family all turned him in, but they didn't trust him.
No, they didn't turn him in because I think they're told to kind of watch what they're saying, but they didn't turn him in because they thought he was guilty.
They turned him in because they thought that they didn't turn him in.
They went together because they told him basically the cops are going to come and they're going to take you out.
Did you hear that?
What did you think of that?
I thought it was fantastic.
Oh my God.
I love that.
I'd love that.
I don't know what he would testify to.
Maybe as the owner of the gun.
But you hear where this is going.
The case is going on.
And I did a video today.
I hope you saw it.
That one.
Let me ask you, do you understand how batshit crazy Eric is going to be if he walks?
This is a guy.
This is a person, by the way.
It's so funny.
I think Kenneth said she forgives the man who basically allegedly shot and killed her husband, but doesn't forgive Drewski.
Does that make sense to you?
This woman's out of it.
out of it.
And where are her kids?
And where's his parents?
Forget about Tyler.
I know more about Tyler's parents than Charlie's parents.
Where are they?
Where is he buried?
Where is he buried?
Well, we don't want to let people know where he's buried.
Why?
Well, because every president is, everybody is, what are you talking about?
You know, they, well, we don't want to, you know, they do this sometime in the case of, Saddam Hussein, who was not, well, they didn't, I think he was born, his hometown was Tikrit.
They didn't want his site to be, you know, I guess, again, I think it's their call, but anyway, he didn't want their site to be the location of reverence or crowds.
But I think it's up to the people of Iraq.
Sorry, who are we to say, sorry, you can't revert?
This was your history.
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Anyway, so all of this is phenomenally different.
And the part is that most people think, including that, was it Liz Wheeler?
I think she even said, well, they did match it to a 30, it's a 30 caliber round, and that matched.
That's a 0.3 inch diameter, as are 10.
12 different rounds from nine millimeters to.
It's not a match.
And Candace is saying, it doesn't match.
There's no match.
And what they're doing to, and I cannot believe, in terms of the discovery violations, you cannot withhold information.
You cannot withhold labs.
You cannot say, Your Honor, see, normally judges get really pissed off if you say, He's not giving me the information.
I ask him specifically, Give me the actual forensic information, not a summary, not your rendition of the facts.
Give me an actual.
And normally the judges get furious.
Because you're basically, remember, it's a court order and you are not following a court order.
The judge, the case normally, or the judge normally orders.
You have a discovery, a demand for discovery, a demand.
You have all kinds of attendant bills of particulars and requests for exculpatory evidence and Brady evidence.
And the court will, in essence, grants it.
So it's an order.
It might have been a motion or demand at first, but it's a court order and you haven't complied with it.
So, you're showing contempt for the judge, and judges go berserk, berserk with that kind of stuff.
They go crazy.
I'm not seeing that.
Now, I don't think if anybody tells you the fix is in, okay?
Nobody goes into a judge.
Nobody says, now listen, you've got a good future here.
You're going to be retiring in a, you know, most of the places, judges have a nice pension, you know, for the rest of their life.
You know, they.
They, it's not bad.
Okay.
And most of them don't want to do anything to avoid that or to impair that in any way whatsoever.
So nobody's going to come in and say, listen, you better play the cards right.
You better do everything in your power to make sure you rule on the side of and in favor of the state as much as possible.
Don't be seen as being too friendly.
And sure as hell, don't dismiss anything.
And don't, nobody talks like that.
Nobody tells him that.
Nobody says, You know what to do, right, Jerry?
Oh, I know what to do.
You know what to do.
You know it.
You feel it.
You know it probably more than anybody else.
Now, question, next question.
Should the trial be televised?
Yes or no?
Barron and I talked about this.
Should the trial be televised?
Yes or no?
I know what you're going to say.
Yes or no?
Or no.
Remember, I didn't say the fix wasn't in.
I'm saying the fix, the case was not, it's not made that obvious.
Okay.
Should the case be televised?
Okay.
Here we go.
Here's somebody who says no.
Of course, he has a, you know what this is.
All right.
Okay.
So why, Mr. Stormborn?
Why?
Why do you think this is?
Why do you think this is, Mr. Stormer?
Why should they?
Tell me why the case should not be.
I know people say it just to be consummate.
I understand this.
I understand this.
But tell me why.
Tell me.
Why should it?
I think it should, especially in this case.
Maybe not normally, but in this case, I do.
Why?
Gracie loves George says something very smart right here.
Very good.
Tracy says, Trials are a public affair.
You are absolutely correct, young lady.
According to the Sixth Amendment, the defendants are entitled to a speedy and a public trial.
Correct, young lady.
Correct.
But why would somebody say no?
Why would somebody do this?
Why?
Why would somebody do this?
Duchess of Camelot says Lionel, just like the Depp Herd trial, it's important to show the public.
What did the Depp Herd trial show you?
What did it show you?
What did the OJ trial show you?
How are we benefited from this?
Why must you see the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case where she dropped the deuce in the bed?
Remember that one?
Remember that story?
Remember that?
Why was that?
Is it just because it's famous?
You think all cases should be televised?
Why just a few?
Why do you think this is?
Facial expressions and body language, very, very good.
A lot of it is going to be, remember, a lot of it is going to be very, very, very.
Kind of pro forma.
I used to be on court TV and I had the best time with during the OJ case.
I'll tell you who does a phenomenal case, a phenomenal job regarding the court stuff still is Nancy Grace.
Say what you want.
Absolutely, positively, nobody, nobody, nobody gets like, like Nancy Grace.
Somebody says he is innocent.
Do you believe he is innocent?
Do you believe he went there?
What was he doing there?
What was he doing?
Don't show his face.
What's the point of no?
If you're going to show the trial, show his face.
What is he, Frank Costello?
You're going to show his hands.
Why was he there?
Why was he there?
Don't you ever say anything about Nancy Grace.
Nancy Grace is, I think, one of the most entertaining.
I'm serious about this.
She gives you her version of this, and it's up to you to dispel it or dilute it or whatever it is.
Oh, I think she's remember when she was going after when she went.
She went berserk.
Well, not with me directly.
We've never worked together.
She's always very nice to me.
But remember the Casey Anthony case?
Remember that one?
Remember that?
She said, Tot mom.
It's a tot mom.
And I think that this woman, and she kind of flares her nuts.
She's phenomenal.
She's phenomenal.
Oh, you could.
She is box office.
Even when she's on with Hannity, you want a cigar?
I don't want a cigar.
I don't want your liquor.
I want to talk the truth.
Why are you yelling at me?
I'm not yelling at you, Sean Hannity.
If that's your real name, she's great.
She comes across like almost like a school mom, like Paula Dean, or with an attitude.
You know what I mean?
She's very, very good.
But she said, and the top mom.
This was Casey Anthony, and the top mom.
And I said one time I was on a TV show and I said, she's not guilty.
They went crazy.
I said, I'm not saying she probably didn't do it because people can't differentiate between the trial and reality.
So you're saying the fix is in with old Tyler.
Prove it.
Well, how do you know that?
I know.
What?
You're not going to bring in any of this stuff.
You're not going to.
But here's the question as Nancy Grace was saying, can you tell me why all of these cameras are all grainy?
Huh?
Hang on a second.
This is good.
I like this one.
TR says, I like this one.
2000 Shades of Gray says, Tyler Robinson is an MKUltra patsy.
He is probably innocent, but he thinks he did it.
Now, you don't know, and I don't know, and we don't know whether there is evidence of any type of drug or reality manipulation.
Don't use, I'm not saying you're doing this, but don't use MKUltra as your automatic, you know, whenever there is.
MKUltra is still the application of something specific drugs, hypnosis, something actively added to a person to make that person be involved in something.
Two cases I would look at definitely.
Number one is Sirhan, Sirhan, or Siran, Siran, as they say.
And the second one is Mark David Chapman.
Why?
Because both of them said, I don't know anything about it.
I do what?
So, hands are hand.
Absolutely.
Now, meds, meds or something is very interesting.
Remember something.
You don't want to use a site.
You don't want to use any kind of a diminished capacity defense.
You don't want to do MK Ultra.
You don't want to do anything because that means he did it.
That means he did it.
See what I'm saying?
That means he did it.
We don't want the insanity defense.
We don't want any of this stuff.
We're saying he didn't do anything, nothing.
Why was he there?
Why was he there?
Tell me why he was there.
Tell me.
Why was he there?
Why?
They have MKUltra Trump.
See, now we're just talking.
This is bullshit.
You just throw this MKUltra thing out.
I'm with all due respect.
Yeah, it's this one op that fits all.
Everybody said, oh, it's MKUltra.
What?
No, no, no, no.
You know who was involved in MKUltra?
Whitey Bulger, David Kaczynski, given LSD.
Very, very, very serious.
What do you think this is?
I like this one.
This is very good.
Patty, Patty Cakes.
Patty Cakes is probably a devil woman who don't let that cutesy name fool you.
That's how they hide.
That's how they hide behind the evil.
I'm kidding.
Patty Cakes, I think the helping audio guy used to work events, sent off the first round like a firecracker.
Now, when you say you think or you could.
You sometimes say, I think he did.
No, you think, you know, wouldn't it be interesting if that's one thing?
Or, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if that would be different.
But remember, if it seems crazy, go with it.
I want to have everybody there.
See, if I had Tyler, if I had old, you know, Kash Patel, old Bug Eyes, if he was there, I would say, Cash, do you have everybody interviewing him?
No.
He's so, he's too busy now.
Now he wants to sue the Atlantic Magazine.
Come on, man.
Can you believe this?
I love this.
Tyler was the distraction where Wally said, See, I love that.
Another one, too, is a distraction.
Tyler was a distraction.
What was he there for?
What was he there for?
Oh, I don't think he put it this way he's not guilty.
2000 says they had to pull Charlie out because he was in jeopardy.
I think Charlie and Jeffrey are both in Wittsec.
No.
Let me tell you something, 2000.
I want to party with you, okay?
You're the kind of person that's always been like, hey, where's the waitress?
I think I know where she is.
She's with the other side.
She's probably poisoning our food.
I'll take it easy.
I like that.
Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean no one's after you.
E. Stormbom says, if yes, why then should this case be televised?
If yes, if yes, why then should this case be televised?
Love this group.
I love you as well.
In this case, I want to see it televised because I want this case more than ever.
See, you can't pick this case versus that case.
This case has to be, I want everybody to be able to see it.
And I want to be one of those.
That's a typo.
It's funny.
It's funny.
This is amazing.
How do I say this?
The interesting story is they let you write typos, but they don't let you do others.
Isn't that wild?
Let me see something right here.
I saw somebody today.
Let me see this.
Somebody wrote something.
Somebody wrote, I think it was, was it Zeb?
Zeb Boykin?
Very good.
I saw him, I think.
What is that?
I think, I think, was it Zeb Boykin?
Somebody wrote about him.
Very, very good.
In fact, there's so many folks that I've written down.
There's so many people.
Let me tell you what the list is.
So far, Of course, Candace, Zach Costello, Real Jesse and Fire, Daily Freddo, Baron Coleman, Greg.
By the way, Greg Reese is another guy.
Greg Reese is phenomenal.
Oh, Paul Joseph Watson, my old buddy.
He's from the Alex crew.
He doesn't talk about this, but he's also very good.
But Greg Reese, I am Coach Colin, Nis C, Patriotic Housewife.
I like her stuff.
Stu Peter, Stugatz.
Hugh G. Rection, don't forget that one.
Project Constitution, Celeb Talk, Coach Collins, Uncle Duke Reacts, Ad Fleet, phenomenal.
Statecraft, Valhalla VHT is phenomenal.
Wolves in Finance, great.
Harsh Reality, Danks, Christine Feckety, huge.
Not the Good Girl, AD Fleet, I think I said that.
Oh, Brandy and Billy, these young.
Younger, but they're young.
It's wonderful to see great people.
And now, Zeb Boykin.
It's great to see young people do this.
Look at this lentils or Lengaitis is there.
Reaching the Defendant00:15:00
Thank you for that.
One thing, too, by the way, I want to say this very, very, very critical, very important.
I want people to understand this and to grasp this.
This is very important.
Oh, yeah.
Why aren't you familiar with Zeb Boykin?
He did a live stream today using audio deflection.
Constraint analysis debunked that the shot came from the roof.
Love that stuff.
Love that stuff.
Love this.
One bit of advice.
One bit of advice.
If you're going to have a, how do I say this?
If you're going to do a channel, I told you Freddo, I thought was terrific.
I think she lives in Cyprus.
He's Polish or something.
Phenomenal.
Secchi's tremendous.
They're all, make sure you put, your email address in your description to find you.
I mean, I want to talk Friday.
I'm going to have my old friend Sean Atwood on.
Oh, he's great.
I can make him laugh where he loses his mind.
Not that it's important, but he will lose his mind.
But he's going to be live Friday.
So I want to get a hold.
I want to reach out to people because I want to extend this.
I just love showcasing, but I can't reach half of these people.
Fekity can't reach her.
Freddo, I got to go through Twitter and say, what's going on here?
If you're going to get in this business, make sure you have an address right off the top for people to.
To get a hold of you, not your merch, but just you.
And the way I do it is, I don't want to hog it.
I want to ask people questions.
I want to be the, the, uh, anybody you want, let me know.
Let me know because I'll talk to them and I, and I love it.
And, and it's, it's not, sometimes people will have you on their show and they do it not, not to find out about you, but they use, you're almost like a pawn, you know, for them to talk about it.
I hate to bring it up.
It's like Hannity doing an interview.
His intro, his introduction is longer than the.
I don't mean the harm.
I'm saying we all have a different style, but I want to find out what it is.
Because one of the things that I think we should do is I would love to be able to talk to Tyler's lawyers and say, listen, if you don't mind, there's a lot of us who would be, I think Barron said he wouldn't do it, but I would say I would be more than happy with a lot of other people to sit there and just, let's just spitball with you.
Because I want you to understand the way I would try this case versus other people.
Very, very simple.
Mine's real, real simple.
I don't want to confuse that jury.
Believe me, if I did the closing argument, you want me to come up and say, This is very simple.
Two questions.
That's it.
Out of this, like six weeks, six months, however long this case is going to be, I got two questions.
The same two questions I had from the beginning.
How are you going to prove this?
They want you to believe in confessions and the rifle.
Both of them don't work.
You've got nothing.
That's it.
If you go back into that jury room right now, ladies and gentlemen, if you do, and you find that the state of Utah has proved beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt, beyond moral certainty, then you must be using evidence that I don't know about, that's from someplace else.
You must be doing something.
You must be, hang on, you must be talking about something.
There we go.
That is.
Or you must be looking at evidence that I don't know about.
Think about this.
Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, you, right here, you, including you, 2000 and YouTube, Patty Cakes, if that's your name.
By the way, I put out a call to Candace.
She's probably very busy.
I'd love to talk to her, too.
See, but I want to talk not about the case, I want to find out them.
How did you get it?
What was the story about this?
Tell me, because everybody's got something that.
Let me tell you what you have to understand about me very simply.
Uh oh, Mr. Mike says, Where's he been?
He says, What if grandpa says, This ain't my gun?
Well, my friends, let me ask you, what would that be?
You can say, well, you know what?
I'm sorry, Mr. Mike.
I'd say, I don't care what his granddaddy's shoe is on.
That's the gun that was there that day.
So I don't know whose it is, but that's the gun that was there.
We don't have in the indictment, young man, I kid a porn, that says on this particular day, on the 10th of September, 2025, on this date, Tyler Robinson, with malice of forethought and premeditation, did unlawfully take the light of the.
But with using his grandfather's rifle, no.
They might not even specify.
They might have said a rifle or a firearm.
You want the charging document to be very, very vague.
And that's why you always file a motion in particulars to zero in.
Well, what time?
Where?
How?
Zero it in.
Because then when the jury goes back into the jury room, it takes that indictment or that charging instrument.
And the Bill of Particulars, which narrows it.
And you've got to check all those things off.
It becomes very, very different.
But it's a great point.
So I'm asking you, you're the jury.
Fight back.
Fight back on me.
Don't, don't, don't, don't, how do I say this?
Don't, what am I trying to say?
Don't, don't dismiss this or don't, but really give me your best shot.
If you really want to be a great lawyer, you've got to be able to jump.
Across theoretically, the scene.
Oh, part two of Baron, please.
Oh, would love to.
Absolutely love to.
I'm also going to get a hold.
I talked to Jimmy Doerr.
He's going to come on too.
Jimmy Doerr is fantastic.
Jimmy Doerr, I didn't think under.
I didn't.
See, some people are really good at getting and really seeing through the bullshit.
Pardon my French.
Really sees through it.
But let me go through this.
I want you to tell me, ladies and gentlemen.
How would you find him guilty?
That's the way you do it.
Forget everything else.
Imagine you're the jury and you're going to say, here's how I'm going to do it.
Number one, I'm going to have to believe that this is the rifle and that it was there and that it was connected.
That this rifle was there and it was the one that did it and it was connected to Tyler.
Because if there's no rifle, if there's no gun at all, he's just somebody there.
And number two, I've got to look at, well, his propinquity, his presence.
But I also have to look at the fact that he, not only was he there, but that he admitted to this.
He admitted.
And who do we get for that?
Lance.
We get old Junebug or whatever his name is.
It's Luna.
Him.
And let me tell you something.
He's going to have to.
By the way, I mentioned, I tried to get a hold of Christine.
Can't reach these people.
Maybe I'm looking and saying, why am I?
Have your address.
Anyway, anyway.
Listen, if you talk to them, tell them I'm looking for them because I'm the best interviewer.
I put you over.
You always look good, not me.
It's not about me.
It's about you so that we can understand your particular take on this.
But going back to this, Lance takes a stand.
If he takes a stand, they're going to kill him.
You think this guy can handle it?
Well, well, well, look who it is.
It's Lance.
How are you, buddy?
He would shit.
And they will be objecting.
Objecting to what?
What?
They want to object.
To what?
Knock him off.
Knock him off.
Because you want to say, basically, you want to listen, you don't ever want to treat some witness like garbage.
But if you think somebody's a liar, you rip them apart.
You do things like, my favorite is, let me get this straight.
And oh, no, you don't.
Things like that.
You make it sound like they're sitting there and they're lying.
What was that?
What?
Say, did I hear you?
Wait a minute, what?
Now remember, cross-examination, you never let them talk.
You never let them go on because as much as you hate them, it's the other side's witness.
Go online and look up the great Irving Younger.
Irving Younger was one of the most phenomenal evidence professors ever.
His hearsay stuff is terrific.
Hearsay is the most complicated.
Of them all.
And if you can master it, oh, there are some things in law that are very strange.
Rule against perpetuities, life and being plus 21, the fertile octogenarian rule.
It's weird.
Weird stuff.
You know, you have to, like, whenever you convey real property, it's got to vest within 21 years, lives and being plus 21 years.
They don't want them hanging around.
Yeah.
That's a little weird.
But hearsay?
Hearsay?
What did he tell you?
What did he tell you?
What did you say?
What did you say?
Is that hearsay?
Yeah.
An out-of-court statement.
Here's hearsay.
Listen to me.
Number one, an out-of-court statement.
Stop.
Why is an out-of-court statement important?
Before I tell you what hearsay is, let me give you the elements.
Number one, it's an out-of-court statement.
There's more to it.
What's with being an out-of-court statement?
What?
Why is that important?
Why?
Why?
That's right, Mel Clamp.
Yes or no questions.
Yes.
Yes or no.
Leading questions.
Leading questions.
Questions that suggest or imply the answer.
Why?
Why?
Facts are the elements.
Hearsay is not first person.
No.
Charlie GPT, I like that.
Thank you very much.
Who said this?
Mr. Mike said this is correct.
Not under oath.
You are correct.
Mr. Mike's got it right.
An out of court statement is not under oath.
It's an out of court statement made to prove the truth of the matter asserted.
It's being offered for its truth.
What the hell does that mean?
Let me give you an example.
If you're trying to charge defamation, classic defamation, libel, slander, whatever, defamation, one of the things you have to prove is publication.
Somebody heard it.
Now, usually it's easy.
You're on TV, you wrote a book, you were in a big place.
But in the old days, sometimes it might have been said to a few people, it might have been slander, but it might have been some very, very important people where your life has been devastated.
You were fired from a job.
And you're going to sue someone because they said something false about you.
It's got to be a false statement.
It's got to be publication.
You got to prove that it was said.
So let's assume I say, I said the statement was, okay, it says 2,000 shades of gray is a spelunker.
What?
I'm trying to say, a lapidarian, a numismatist, something.
And let's assume that.
How dare you!
How two said that he said that in front of people in front of people.
Why I'm gonna sue him.
It turns out that 2000, she's losing her business.
Why?
Because I, why?
We heard you're a lapidarian.
What?
Who said that?
He said that.
Son of a bitch.
So you're sued by the person that you're going to lapidarian.
Okay, now you've got to prove publication that other people heard it.
I can't go up to you like this.
Well, yeah, maybe it's one person that might be, but you normally want publication.
You don't just want one.
So I bring somebody to the courtroom.
State your name for the record.
My name for the record, it's Patty Cakes.
Okay, Patty Cakes.
Now, Patty Cakes, were you there at this party of the night?
Yes.
And were you there?
Was the plaintiff there?
Yes.
And the defendant?
Yes.
Were you there?
Yes.
And what did you hear the defendant say?
I heard the defendant say that Patty Cakes was a lapidary.
Objection, hearsay.
Why?
Because he said, she said, I heard him say.
Is that hearsay?
No.
Why?
Because I'm using her statement, not because it's true, but that it was merely said.
I've got to prove that it was said.
That's it.
I don't want it to be true.
In fact, not only am I not offering it to prove the truth of the matter asserted, I don't want it to be true.
Patty Cakes, did you hear the officer read Miranda warnings to the defendant?
Did you hear him say you have the right to remain silent?
Yes.
Did you hear it?
Did you hear it?
Yes.
Objection hearsay.
It's not hearsay.
I don't care whether it's true that you have the right to remain silent or anything you say can and will be used.
I don't care if that's true or not.
I just want to know did he say that?
Because the issue here in court is did you say that?
That's it.
If something is just, that's not hearsay.
Okay.
What about this one?
Let's say we're at a party.
No, strike that.
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We're on the corner, and 2000 is driving like a bat out of hell, which she normally does.
And she runs in and she hits Patty Cakes, boom, like that.
And she ran a red light.
And the issue was liability.
And we're suing 2000, I represent Patty Cakes.
We're suing 2000 because she ran the red light.
And I got to prove it.
I got to prove it.
I got to prove that somebody.
Can't prove it.
Let's say there was somebody at the light standing right there and says, Oh my God, did you see that?
What happened?
It's incredible.
Pattycakes just ran the red light and hit, I mean, 2000 hit the red light and hit Pattycakes.
It was incredible.
I saw it.
Well, this person who said this is not there anymore.
We don't know where he is, but somebody was there.
And somebody, Gracie Loves George, was there.
And Gracie says, Listen, Miss might help you.
I wasn't there.
I didn't see it, but I heard a man say, That 2000 ran the red light and hit Patty King.
Great.
Can I use her?
Is that hearsay?
Absolutely.
Why?
Because I'm using her to establish that you ran the red light.
In fact, not only am I offering it to prove the truth of the matter, I want it to be true.
If it's true, I win.
So I can use it.
I can use that.
That's hearsay.
But if she said it as follows, If I said, you're not going to believe it, I was there.
And it was the most incredible thing.
Gracie screamed, oh my God, 2000 just ran the red light.
And she was out of her mind screaming.
This excited utterance that comes in as an exception.
The excited utterance exception.
It's an exception.
Why?
Because it has.
Indeed, see, of reliability, it's trustworthy.
People who say things spontaneously, plus the court doesn't want to keep stuff out.
So, if I can find an exception, excited utterance, statements made to a treating physician.
What about, oh, privileges, husband and wife?
Oh.
Your husband comes home tonight.
Let's say pattycakes, your husband comes home and says, anybody here?
No.
You sure?
No.
Nobody.
No, and you're currently married.
You know our neighbor, Mr. So and so?
I killed him.
Have a nice night.
Good night.
Can you call the police?
You call this, hello?
Yeah, this is Patty Cake.
Listen, my husband, yeah, we're married.
My husband came in and he said that he killed our neighbor.
Yeah, yeah.
Can they arrest your husband?
Yeah.
Can they offer that in court?
Not if he objects to it.
That's a husband and wife privilege.
That's a husband and wife privilege.
I can keep you from testifying to it.
How about that?
How about that?
unless there's a waiver.
Well, let's say, for example, let's say your husband's crazy and he tells people, yeah, I killed him.
Well, that's kind of, that's a waiver, but for some reason, I don't know, he's in a coma and he can't testify.
Now I go to you and I'm saying, listen, Patty, tell us what happened.
Tell us what your husband told you.
Why?
Well, he waived it.
He spoke.
He didn't waive.
He waived his privilege.
Husband and wife is the only one where both people have it.
I didn't waive mine.
Oh, you see what I'm saying?
You can get you can just plot this stuff out and you can say he's going to say this.
I'm going to object to this.
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to find an exception.
And you sit there and you got to know when to hear things.
What about this?
Officer, what are you doing?
What officer, what are you referring to?
My police report object to hearsay.
He's reading his notes.
You're right.
You can't use that.
Why?
This is hearsay.
What do we need you for?
You're reading the thing.
Yeah, but it's my note.
So keep going.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Go ahead.
What a business records exception or this?
Mr. Officer, do you remember everything at night?
I don't remember everything.
Is there anything that might help you?
Oh, I don't know.
Refresh your recollection?
Yes, as a matter of fact, my police report.
Would that help you?
Yes.
Your Honor, okay, he can use it.
Great.
Now he's doing the same thing, but he's not reading it.
He's refreshing his recollection, which amounts to him reading it.
So it depends on how you use things, how you phrase things, taking judicial notice.
Your Honor, would you please take judicial notice that on September the 11th, 2001, it was a Tuesday?
Okay.
And that in New York City, it was a beautiful Tuesday, which it was.
It was beautiful weather, beautiful skies.
It was wonderful.
It was beautiful.
Would you take judicial notice of that?
Yes.
Why?
Those are facts readily ascertainable.
I don't have to.
We don't have to get a calendar.
Okay.
Yeah.
So go back to this one.
Ladies and gentlemen, they want you to find Tyler Robinson guilty, and I still don't know how.
Why?
Did he confess?
I don't think so.
Is it the rifle?
I don't know whose rifle it was, but we don't even know if he shot.
That's it.
That's the case.
Everything else is.
You want to use this fellow's acoustic stuff?
Great.
I don't care.
He didn't shoot anybody.
Play the acoustic.
What do I care?
What?
Play it.
It's not Tyler.
Maybe the acoustic, remember, the acoustic is going to show who?
It's going to show the real person, the real killer.
It's going to show the real killer.
Play it.
Go ahead.
What do I care?
Ladies and gentlemen, do you remember when they played that acoustic?
Whatever.
Did you hear me object?
No.
Why?
We don't care.
It's not us.
Find out who did it.
We want to find out too.
They never listened to us.
Just like when he came in, he didn't confess.
Tyler didn't confess.
They mirandized him and he kept quiet.
What?
He didn't confess on anything.
Why?
Because he didn't do anything.
And, ladies and gentlemen, do you know why?
Do you know why?
Do you know why?
Those dogs never found that rifle?
Because it never shot anything.
Never shot anything.
Now, don't expect me to say, well, why would they get a gun?
I don't know.
Ask them.
I don't know who they are.
So, not only is it not his, or if he says it is, I don't know, I guess that's mine.
Did you find it missing?
How did it get there?
Did you know about it?
Remember, he's going to have to testify.
He's going to have to testify, okay?
Look at this.
Lionel, have you listened to Tucker?
His brother is part of the Trump administration organization.
That means that Charlie told Tucker he would tell Buck and he would tell the order.
Now, his son, did you see where his son is?
I think his son is Buckley, too, right?
Don't you love these names?
Buckley, Cavendish, Hetherington, Covington, Carlson IV.
How about that Laura Loomer?
How about that Laura Loomer?
Linguitas says, Did you hear Tyler's grandpa today on the recording on Candace's Stone?
Yeah, I said that before.
In fact, she played it.
Thank you, by the way.
She played it, and he said, He seemed like a nice guy.
He said his father was a police officer.
He said that he was there on behalf of his or in support of his grandson.
It was wonderful.
It was wonderful.
So, grandpa, yeah.
Did Tyler ever confess anything to you?
No.
Grandpa, were you tight with him?
Absolutely.
Now, I don't know about you, but I want to know just tell me why was he there?
Why was Tyler even there?
Why was he there?
Why was he there?
It'd be great if he wasn't there, but it seems like he was there.
Was he somebody who says.
Now, that's not enough.
I personally want to know.
Now, let me ask you a question.
What happens if.
You represent Tyler.
And Tyler says, by the way, anybody here in your office?
No.
By the way, the reason why I do this has to be a reasonable expectation of privacy.
If ever you want to make a statement that is protected under a privilege, it's got to be made with a reasonable expectation of privacy.
You can't say it at a party with other people listening.
But he shows us, nobody here?
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Close the door.
Hey, listen, just want to let you know I killed him.
Me, I did it.
I did it.
Yeah, me, I shot, I did it.
Yes, my gun.
I pulled the trigger.
That was me.
I got there.
I'm a pretty good shot and I did it.
Now, what happens with that?
What happens with that?
What do you do?
What do you do?
Look at this one here.
His text messages are so incriminating.
Not so, it's so incriminating.
Don't know about that.
He never said anything.
What would you do as a lawyer if your client said, I did it.
Would you have to withdraw?
Would you have to?
What?
What would you do?
Let's assume it happened.
It's just to let you know I did it.
What would you do?
Could you still continue?
Come on now.
It's an important question.
Could you still continue?
Could you still do it?
Come on.
What do you think?
What do you think?
Here we go.
Here's pattycakes.
Here comes trouble.
Miss Trouble says the clips of the previous events showed hand signals and sunglasses have a small green light that's recording judicial notice.
Well, what's that going to do?
How would you do this?
How would you say, they will give you hand signals?
Who says they're hand signals?
I don't think that you got to prove they're hand signals.
Let me ask you this, Patty Gates, what would you do?
What would you do?
What would you do?
Your client says that.
You say, fine.
But guess what you can't do?
Can't put them on the stand.
Can't ask them questions.
I can't ask them questions.
Why?
Because I know.
Now I'm suborning perjury.
I've got to sit back, sit down.
If he wants to testify, he's got to talk on his own.
I can't ask him any questions.
And the jury's going to look at him and say, what the hell is this all about?
Did he tell his lawyer?
Because, hey, Mr. Lawyer, how come you're not asking questions anymore?
I'd rather not say.
You'd rather not say.
What the hell's going on here?
Did he tell you?
Not saying anything.
Why is he talking by himself?
He's not, nobody's asking.
It looks weird.
I mean, it looks, that's why you always tell a lawyer, your client, the reverse Miranda.
I don't want to hear anything out of you.
I'm not going to ask you a question.
Don't tell me anything.
Don't tell me.
Normally, you don't have to tell anybody.
You know exactly what's.
You don't get any whodunits.
The guy's arrested.
He's got the dope on him, you know, whatever.
Let me ask you this question.
Officer of the court, Gracie loves George.
Absolutely, Gracie.
Gracie, you know, her name may be Gracie, but she knows what's going on.
Okay, what about this?
All right, Gracie, Miss Big Shot, you too, cakes.
Patty cakes, all right.
Let me ask you a question.
Guy comes to you, comes to your office, says, Anybody here?
No, we're by ourselves, right?
That's a good one.
Remember, expectation of privacy.
You know that guy on uh, death row, the one they're gonna they're gonna uh, um, kill tomorrow.
You know that guy, the one they're going to execute, yeah, yeah.
I did it.
What I did it, I did it, not him.
They're going to execute the wrong guy.
And I'm just telling you that.
But you can't tell anybody because I just, and don't give me that.
They always say, well, give me a dollar and a little, you know.
What was that?
Consideration for a contract?
Okay, you, my lawyer, can I get your advice?
Here's a dollar.
Never makes any sense because the consideration for an agreement for purposes of this is, did you, were you asking him questions in the capacity of maybe either retaining him or getting legal advice?
Yeah.
Okay.
What are you going to do?
You can't pick up the phone and say, listen, you got to understand something.
That guy didn't do it.
Who, why?
Because he told me.
By the way, there was a lawyer years ago, years ago, who said, who had a, it's a true story, whose client came to him and said, listen, I had a, uh, I had a client who said that he was involved in some kind of a murder dismemberment.
And he even told me, he said, by the way, they haven't even found this.
It's over there, wherever this thing was, either the field or something where the results of his handiwork were.
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So the lawyer went over and took pictures.
Took pictures of it.
And he couldn't get one.
There was an arm over here, and no matter how far back he went, so he went and he moved the arm.
This is true.
To get the picture, and the only thing the appellate court said he absolutely acted 100% correctly by not turning anybody in.
However, he tampered with evidence.
You don't mess with a crime scene.
He messed with a crime scene, and that was a big deal.
That was a problem.
But other than that, that drives people crazy.
What about this?
What about a priest?
Priest gets the same thing.
A priest.
By the way, my friends, also be very, very careful.
This is under privilege now.
Different concept altogether.
Make sure you're very careful when you go to the doctor, too, when you tell them, how'd you get that wound?
Well, I got shot during a robbery.
There is no doctor patient privilege in a lot of jurisdictions.
There might be one with the state medical, but you can't prevent the whole purpose of a privilege is you can prevent somebody from testifying against you if you don't want them to.
And physician patient.
Not in a lot of states.
There's a psychotherapist, patient, clergyman, penitent, you know, priest, sexual abuse therapist, or something.
There's one.
Oh, accountant client.
But that's tough too.
Only for the.
I haven't had that many cases of that.
It's either the documents or whatever.
But there are privileges, husband and wife.
And the reason why is because society, we want to maintain certain relationships.
And we think that if they had a protection, it would help in the long run, ultimately.
It would help them.
By the way, parent child.
No privilege.
Sorry.
But mama, sorry.
Your mama's probably going to lie anyway.
So, what I'm saying is, all the stuff that we're talking about, I want you to get just a kind of a feel for the evidence code.
The evidence code, in most states, is based on that of the federal.
They work almost hand in hand privileges, best evidence rule, loads of stuff.
And if you understand evidence, you understand everything.
See what I'm saying?
Everything.
Anyway, everybody doing all right?
Everybody doing all right?
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You seem like you're in a good mood.
No HIPAA?
HIPAA is not going to keep it out of court.
HIPAA might be, I don't know if HIPAA is going to prevent you from testifying in court.
You might not be able to testify, reveal insurance or whatever, but if there's a court case, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's a damn good question, though.
Isn't that a movie with Sean Penn, Dead Man Walking?
Sort of.
In any event, my friend, what a delightful time it's been.
What a delightful time.
It's only been an hour and 20 minutes.
I think it's pretty good.
I thoroughly enjoy this.
Haven't you?
Haven't you had fun?
Come on.
Come on.
You love this.
You know why?
Because we have fun together.
We love being together.
We love being together.
And that's what these people don't understand.
This is fabulous.
It's fun.
It's true crime.
It's weird.
You got a new Laura Loomer in there and you got Erica Kirk.
Imagine them together on a TV show.
Oh, how about Laura Loomer on The View?
Oh, wouldn't you?
I'd watch because you know something bad's going to happen.
But that's what I like about life.
I think the most interesting people in the world are not people, crazy people.
And with that, my friends, I thank you.
Thank you so much for your courtesy tonight.
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I love you.
I honestly love you.
You love my singing too.
And I know you do.
I know you're not going to admit it, but you do.
All right, friends, have a great and a glorious night.