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Feb. 7, 2026 - Lionel Nation
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Candace Owens DESTROYS the Lies and Betrayal of Charlie Kirk

Candace Owens DESTROYS the Lies and Betrayal of Charlie Kirk

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Genuineness Matters 00:11:34
My friends, I've told you I've never met Candace Owens.
I've never spoken with her, but I feel maybe you're the same way.
Maybe, oddly enough, I feel like I kind of know her.
I feel like I know her.
I feel like I trust her.
This is weird, isn't it?
One of the reasons why I feel this is because I think she's so effective at speaking genuinely.
Very few people can do this.
Where you feel like I kind of know somebody.
Think about this.
Next time you watch anybody on any platform, ask yourself, I've watched them for a while.
Do you feel like you can tell when they're being honest or not or that they're leveling with you?
Or do you feel like they're performing?
Do you?
Do you feel, for example, that when you listen, can you trust, who is it?
Alex Jones, Megan Kelly, Joe Rogan?
Do you feel, I mean, think about this.
And I'm not giving you an answer.
I'm not telling you who's right or wrong.
But ask yourself this question.
Do you feel like you can trust them?
Because I feel like I can trust Candace Owens.
And I'm pretty good about this.
There's an ease when she speaks pretty clearly.
You know, a lot of times we don't have names for our bullshit detector, which is really what it is.
And lying detector.
You know, there's BS and then there's lying.
I don't see that with her.
And my advice to her is, you know what?
I'm sure you know this.
You're very smart.
But you've got to understand.
Always presume that the person you're dealing with, other than your spouse, your immediate family, and sometimes, depending upon the family, that's an exception.
But always assume that the person that you're speaking to is going to hose you.
Not deliberately, not to hurt you, but that their word means nothing.
There's no idea of my word is my bond.
I look out for people.
People are cold, detached.
They're unfeeling.
They're not psychopaths in the classic sense.
They just don't care.
They just don't care about you.
And if you've been involved in business and corporations, as long as many of us have, myself included, and especially when you deal with people in the world of media who are into performance and BS and lies and distortions and image and gloss and shtick and schmaltz.
And you, I mean, you wonder, is anybody here, does anybody here know, can I trust anyone?
So my advice to you, Candace, is you can't.
Believe me, you cannot do this.
This is something that you cannot do.
You cannot do this.
Now, this is the part which is the most important.
This is the part which is the most important.
I want you to understand.
Let me turn this damn phone call up.
I love when people all of a sudden call me in the middle of this.
I'm busy.
Can't they tell?
All right.
Out of this entire group of people, the only group, and which let's talk TPUSA.
And I don't know anything.
I've never met any of these people.
You haven't either, right?
We haven't conversed with him.
I always thought that Charlie was the most promising, the most powerful, the most important.
Erica, forget it.
I think we all can say, and we're not being mean.
I think we all can say that there is not an ounce, a drop, a gram, an iota, an art of sincerity or anything that we believe with her.
Nothing.
I don't even think if she knows what's real and what's not.
I really don't.
Based upon, again, full disclosure, I never met her, but every time I see her speak, I think to myself, oh my God, she doesn't know this is coming across like this.
This is a person who can go from grief to fundraising in a heartbeat.
Okay.
But Charlie, I thought, was different to an extent.
But do I trust Charlie?
Uh-uh.
No.
When you're at the very top of something, you almost see a ruthlessness.
Potential, not Charlie, more than you will ever know.
I will also tell you that when you have something that provides a moral cover for you, namely deep-seated Christian morality, adherence to the good book, adherence to the word of God, references to God and Jesus in the Bible on a regular basis, it gives some people even more of a cover.
Think about this.
When you're dealing with somebody who's talking raw politics or raw policy, there's not a lot they can hide behind.
Everybody wants to find something.
Maybe it's the flag, maybe it's the tradition or the liberty or America, whatever it is.
But people will normally try to find something to hide behind.
It's very, very important.
Very, very critical.
I'm not saying that was the case with Charlie, but in this particular case, there may be some deception that I think Candace speaks of.
But my advice again to her is don't believe anybody.
You can trust him more.
But when it comes to millions and millions and millions of dollars, as Cindy Lauper said, money changes everything.
And also, when you're in a world of constant performance, you've always got to be on.
Charlie Kirk's got to be Charlie Kirk.
He can't come out and say, you know what?
Do you ever think that maybe sometimes God just forgets you?
You can't say that.
I mean, you might, but you, no, no, no, you're inspirational.
You are inspirational.
And the same thing with Erica, you cannot ever let off.
You can't take your foot off the pedal.
This is what you have to say.
This is what you're there for.
Consequently, in order for you sometimes to say what you don't believe, you've got to be pretty good at being protean and chameleon-like.
Okay, that being said, that being said, that was a long introduction for the heart of what's happening.
What's very interesting, we're hearing from Candace in this, and I'm not going to play her very well-produced spot so that I can comment on it.
I'm going to comment like this.
You go watch her, you figure it out.
You don't, put it this way, you don't have to watch her to listen to what I'm saying.
Is that making any sense?
Because I got to tell you something, a lot of these people, you know, Candace is doing all the work, and this is great.
Just take a big chunk of what Candace says, and I'm going to comment on it.
What about you?
Why don't you just comment without that?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
I got to comment on that.
And I know sometimes it's very interesting and they're very successful, but you can get a little lazy.
Anyway, enough for the pontificating.
And the statements made from Candace Owens, particularly she talked about a public and open letter to Erica Kirk.
And it's interesting, it brought new kind of clarity to events surrounding Charlie and Kirk and TPUSA and the like.
Now, again, remember, Charlie, this is, you know, when somebody is the victim of apparent violence, well, him, obviously, violence crime, but just like this poor Nancy Guthrie, who has been ostensibly kidnapped, we don't even know what she was, abducted, kidnapped, missing, who knows.
You've got to be careful in that somebody who has been the victim of crime, you give them a certain degree of reverence.
However, remember, just because you were the victim of crime doesn't mean that gives you a clean slate when you were alive.
That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying.
I love the fact that I've had relatives and people that we couldn't stand when they were alive.
They die all of a sudden, and we're supposed to say, oh, but they were fantastic.
No, they weren't.
They weren't good people.
Sorry, they're dead.
But money changes everything and death changes everything.
We tend to be a bit, dare I say, funereal to the point of overlooking reality.
In any event, for sometimes, many people have maintained that Charlie was not entirely detached, as one would think, from the internal dynamics and goings-on of the organization that he led.
He was not some fool.
He was not some hayseed.
And nobody is labeling him negatively because we have no particular idea or idea of what's going on in terms of the stake that he had in the matter.
But what we're talking about right now is simply put, to examine this case in this situation that speaks directly to what we know.
Again, again, very, very critical news, very, very critical importance that we say we don't know any of these people.
Let me remind you, we don't know any of these people.
We've never met them for a moment.
Even Erica, all we know is that we can review and evaluate what they're doing by virtue of what we know.
The performance, the message, the feelings that we have as far as sincerity and veracity and the like.
Now, what I think we're trying to do here is just examine the evidence, you know, without idealizing anyone involved, also giving people a fair shake.
Now, the open letter that Candace, by the way, writes, which is really, oh, this is, she's got it.
She's a natural prosecutor.
The open letter confirms a critical detail.
Candace apparently resigned as TPUSA's communications director.
Oh, one more thing.
Let me also say this.
I'm never going to comment on inner goings on of who was let go.
Did they fire somebody?
Was it fair?
Was it terminate employment at will?
Did they violate?
I don't know anything.
I don't know anything about these people.
One thing I've learned, and you know this too, the story that people tell you, no matter who it is, even Candace, even you, even somebody you love, is from their point of view.
It's not that it's not true, but it doesn't take into account how other people may see it from a different perspective.
So I don't get into the inner goings on and who filed this.
First of all, I'm not an accountant.
I've never been privy to the board.
I'm talking about what I'm seeing as an audience member.
Keep in mind what I'm saying.
I'm an audience member, okay?
Now, so Candice apparently resigned as TPUSA's communications director in November in 2019 due to what she believes was a breach of trust by Charlie Kirk, not the anti-Semitism of Kanye West-related explanations widely circulated at the time.
Side note: sometimes Kanye says some things, everybody says some things.
Nick Fuentes, Laura Loomer, Alex Jones, anybody.
Sometimes they say things where you say, you know, that's pretty good.
Or, what the hell was that?
That's everybody, my friend.
So remember, if you like what somebody said once, you're not endorsing everything.
Tell the Truth, No Big Deal 00:14:02
Okay?
I think my favorite rock album was Asia by Steely That.
I don't like every song.
Okay?
You know, Deacon Blues is one thing, Asia is another.
So just because you like certain parts or just because you reject certain aspects of somebody's message doesn't mean you rejected all of it.
Okay, back to Candace.
According to Candace, in an early 2019 period, she confronted Charlie about a secret fundraising meeting that was held in Mar-a-Lago with an individual.
Again, the names I'm not even familiar with, but somebody, a big shot, a muckety buck.
When asked directly in an elevator at the Trump Hotel in Washington, this is according to Candice.
Charlie denied recent contact with this person.
Okay?
Said, no, I don't, you know, you know.
And she immediately corrected him, stating she knew he had met him the previous day.
And his reaction, jaw-dropping, visible shock, a hurried attempt to explain, marking a serious fracture, a chasm, a schism in relationships.
You know, in our life, we will sometimes be, well, there's a sense of betrayal.
And there's a lot of variables of that.
If it's not somebody that we care about, we normally, we don't, we're not going to lose any sleep.
It's like, yeah, it's no big deal.
It's not that the betrayal wasn't there.
It's that your feeling wasn't important.
Sometimes, if you really trust somebody and love somebody, the slightest betrayal, the slightest, is felt more because of how much you love them.
So the amount of betrayal, the amount of treachery, has nothing to do with the feeling that you have.
Sometimes people can really turn their back on you, but you never had any investment in them.
There was never any equity in their relationship.
Other times it's different.
That's all.
So, Candace, and by the way, don't, don't fall for, she said, Charlie.
I mean, this is like classics.
So, did you talk to so-and-so?
No.
You did yesterday.
Oh, yeah.
Gotcha.
Charlie.
Charlie, what are you doing?
Remember something.
I'm going to say something to you, which really makes the most sense.
Just tell the truth.
I know it sounds silly.
I know it sounds like, wow, that was profound.
No, no, I'm serious.
I've learned.
Tell the truth and act like it's no big deal.
You don't have to worry about changing your mind or being caught.
Sometimes people feel like they can obfuscate.
Sometimes, again, when you're in the public eye and you're really good at saying a lot of things and raising money and going on cable news and speaking before thousands of people, you sometimes feel very facile with the ability to speak smoothly, if you will.
That can sometimes, unfortunately, be perceived as you lying.
So be very careful.
Remember, trust me when I tell you this.
Just tell the truth and act like it's no big deal, but tell the truth.
I'd rather be accused of underestimating the truth than not telling the truth, okay?
So back to Candace.
They discussed the matter downstairs, and Candace expressed deep disappointment.
She warned Charlie.
She said, listen, the new influences within TPUSA, particularly following, I guess, that Kanye West controversy then, were shifting his priorities, this is according to Candace, towards financial gain above all else.
She specifically flagged concerns about certain individuals that she references.
And I'll let you go through their names.
I don't know who these people are.
I don't want to misquote the name.
I don't know.
But let me tell you something.
First, when people love you, and I think Candace loved him, not romantically, but I mean, at least she really cared.
Or brotherly, sisterly, fraternal love, or whatever you want to call it.
Listen to people who trust you, okay?
Number one.
Number two, please don't take this the wrong way.
Please.
I know what I'm going to say is right, but somebody's going to take it the wrong way.
Some women, not all women, but some women are better able to detect perfidy and lying and treachery than others.
My wife is the last person you ever want to try this with.
First of all, she remembers everything you ever said.
Everything.
Not out of paranoia.
She just has a great memory.
Number two, she can sit there and read.
She has like glasses.
She can see if Mendacity had a kind of color glow or something, like an aura.
She can tell.
And I think, well, let me stop right there.
Women are smarter with this.
They understand treachery better.
I know, I know, I know what you're thinking.
But put it this way: for interrogation, oh, oh, women, women, absolutely.
Listen, men are, bless their hearts, we're kind of, you know, that's, you know what I mean?
We're simple.
We're more like Fred Flintstone.
I've always said women are crazy, but men are stupid.
Women are crazy sometimes because their brilliance allows them to see things differently and appreciate slights and treachery more so.
So consequently, it comes across like maybe they're a little bit more paranoid than others when in fact they're not.
They're just smarter.
All right, I'll leave it at that.
I know people are going to, you know, comment below because no matter what I say, people take it.
What are you going to do?
Anyway, so Candace gave warnings that she says are documented in text messages still in Erica's possession.
Okay, good luck with that one.
And by the way, whatever happened, a little time out here.
Whatever happened with that big sit-down, the big powwow, the walk talk?
What was that?
The big meeting with Erica, what did they, whatever.
Anyway.
Now, in retrospect, Candace identifies Erica as the most significant new influence in Charlie's life during that period.
Makes sense to me.
She states and believes that Erica also misrepresented facts during her, during, rather to her, during an extended conversation at the same hotel.
Candace now states that she possesses verifiable, verifiable documentation, which come in the form of text messages and call records.
By the way, let me tell you something.
Let me just text messages.
Why people text, remember, whenever you text something, imagine this being read in court.
That's all.
John Gotti at the Ravenite had apparently a sign that said, you're B, they're listening.
They're listening.
Imagine everything you're saying being read in a transcript.
Anyway, she says she believes Candace has messages and evidence and data showing that TPUSA, some officials, and Erica both denied knowledge of an individual.
And again, I don't want to get into the weeds about the names, but an individual despite evidence of prior meetings, okay?
So it's the little things.
I had a great friend years ago, Gordon Soley, best Wrestling announcer in the history of wrestling announcing.
And he told me one time he says, you know, some people would rather climb up a tree and lie than stand there and tell the truth.
Some people just even, they don't know what they're doing.
Now, this individual she talks about allegedly had phone contact with a number of other people of TPUSA.
And they were very concerned about one individual who learned of Charlie's death before it became public knowledge.
Now, that's very interesting, despite not yet being a confirmed donor.
So Candace asserts that a proposed arrangement of sorts, a proposed or anticipated arrangement with this individual, this individual valued in the billions, proceeded shortly after Charlie's assassination on September the 10th of 2025.
Now, she is publicly challenged repeatedly, TPUSA, to refute her claims regarding the timing, noting the legal implications of defamation, of course, if statements made were false and if they caused damages and if they went to, they were, in that sense, material.
She further questions whether these individual people, one in particular, whether the financial interest could relate to perhaps earlier inquiries she had directed to the White House regarding how it was regarding possible foreign involvement in Charlie's death.
An inquiry, however, an inquiry that received no response.
No duh.
Okay?
Now, these developments align with other reported details.
Charlie's perhaps reported rejection of an offer from someone, internal shifts in leadership, his increasing willingness to challenge certain political narratives in the months leading up to his death.
She speaks about a lot of things.
And we know what these are.
We know what she's speaking of.
There's a lot of concern that she's seeing as an outsider and somebody who loves and concerned for him.
By the way, a recently terminated TPUSA employee has also come forward describing a noticeable change in organizational culture, as you can imagine, beginning around 2022 to 2023.
This individual noted that Charlie assumed a kind of a more traditional CEO role and delegated significant authority to other individuals that she considered, well, underqualified.
She've ever heard that before.
How about that?
This is also, I'm sorry to say this, within any organizational corporate structure, there are people who, believe me, I've heard this my whole life.
So anyway, I'm not dismissing it.
I'm just saying it's not in and of itself different or earth-shattering in terms of the subject matter.
Now, while Candice initially respected his judgment, or excuse me, while this individual, I should say, speaking, the one who lost her job, she grew troubled by the resulting environment.
And after the, a lot of these people you've heard about this, after working extended hours during Amfest and the memorial following Charlie's death or the big fun raising grief ghoul tour, she was dismissed.
Ostensibly over third-party gossip.
And she now believes, by the way, that the termination may relate to her private questioning of, dare I say, the official account of Charlie's assassination, which could very well be, which she finds inconsistent.
Gee, do you think now public employee reviews reinforce long, I'm trying to paraphrase this, reinforce long-standing concerns, reports of toxic management and excessive workloads without overtime,
inflated metrics presented to donors, allegations of gossip, unprofessional conduct, and a disconnect between what amounts to the organization's stated Christian values and internal behavior.
Surprise, surprise.
Now, Candace Owens recognized these warning signs, according to her, in 2019, and chose to step away.
She and Charlie maintained a cordial public relationship, deep friendship thereafter, as evidenced by the way, by their joint appearance on stage in August of 2024.
Yet, yet the trajectory she describes of Vanessa's ambition increasingly tied to financial incentives and questionable associations all appears to be, well, to have continued.
And the central question remains this.
What ultimately changed in Charlie's final month is what people want to know.
What was it?
Was it a genuine spiritual reawakening?
By the way, what we're doing is we're kind of doing an emotional post-mortem.
It's like an autopsy about how he felt.
This is anybody's guess.
Some have suggested that a growing awareness, by the way, of threats or compromised loyalties that existed around him were the subject of a lot of concerns, or maybe something else entirely.
Now, these aren't conclusions.
They are questions, questions raised by credible voices and individuals, many of them documented claims and the like with receipts, as they say.
Central Question Remains 00:04:11
And the pursuit of clarity must continue, obviously.
And I want to hear, obviously, from you, but I want to tell you something, and I want you to listen to me very, very carefully.
And this is why sometimes we need kind of a mentor ship or something in this area.
I have, I have, and many of us have done this.
I've been doing this for the longest time.
And 30, 37, 30, this is my 38th year, 38th, 39th, whatever it was, since getting into professional media, you know, talk radio media, and gone through everything you can imagine.
Not only that, the world of courts and judges and prosecutor's office and politics.
And I will tell you, especially that, especially to our younger folks who are ideological, who believe in truth and believe that things are different, I say unto you, don't fall for this crap at all.
There isn't a day that goes by when the following will occur.
You and me were friends.
We've known each other our whole life.
We've shared ups and downs.
We know each other's spouses and the birth of our children and blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then we go into business and it all changes.
Then you realize what a bum your friend is.
You never saw this before.
You never saw this.
Or they're financially irresponsible.
Or they've got a drinking problem.
Or a drug abuse problem.
Or they're a thief.
Or their word is sort of whatever.
And you never knew this.
You never knew this.
You know, years ago, people would always say, do you think that people dating should live together before they marry?
Absolutely.
You don't know what somebody's like until they drop their guard.
Until you realize this person's a slob or a pig.
People just lower their, they lower their guard.
It's like trying to maintain your posture.
It's good for like 30 seconds, and then you forget.
You're back to the way you were.
Surprise, surprise, surprise.
The more money at stake, the more the fraud.
The bigger the message.
What is the message of TPUSA?
It's about Christianity and love.
And we're excited.
We're here to sponsor the word of the Lord.
Now, I'm not mocking Christianity.
Please.
Christianity has nothing to do with this.
This is the business of Christianity.
Aha!
That's a different story.
I have studied evangelicals my whole life.
I've got friends of mine who are actually in the evangelical business.
I love them.
I love the cadence.
I love the performance.
From David Paul, one of my favorites, I was slain in the spirit by Ernest Angeli, to you name it, Jimmy Swaggard.
And I have, you have, oh my God, remember, remember the prophet, the Elijah Muhammad and women out of wedlock.
And I was raised Catholic.
Okay, I'm a retired Catholic.
Got no beef against the religion, the religion, but the Catholic Church, parishes, priests, parochial school, the interstitial goings-on of that.
I've been in media, radio, TV, internet, broadcast, politics.
Do you know who were the most honest people to me?
Defendants, criminal defendants, most honorable people.
Why?
They don't lie to you.
I mean, some do, but most are very upfront, especially the professional criminal.
Take their word to the bank.
Isn't that odd?
So what's happening right now is multifold.
Candace Owens: Honesty in Unexpected Places 00:06:21
First, this is about Candace Owens.
And let's say right now, she is phenomenal.
Just in terms of raw personality power, there's nobody like her.
Nobody.
Nobody.
She is just without peer.
I'm telling you, I've never seen anything like this.
She's so good.
Then you have these other, you've got these phony baloney, these Erica Kirk, who doesn't realize.
She was on with a certain cable news company, and basically they were throwing the questions at her.
They were giving her softballs because she's too bestaroora to understand what's really going on.
She's not the brightest person in the world.
She's too much into the idea that people are just so in love with her.
Candace is different.
Candace is absolutely positively, if you want to go into the world, this is bare knuckle fighting.
These people don't have it.
They just do not have it.
And when you're right and you've got the receipts, as they say, it's another story.
Seriously, it's another story.
And there's one thing about Candace.
You may be right.
I mean, you may tell her, listen, I think you're going the wrong direction.
She might say, okay, maybe you're right.
But guess what?
You're not going to stop me with this.
You're not going to stop me.
And whether it's Bergit Macron or whether it's whoever, it doesn't matter.
She doesn't let up.
And she doesn't give a diddly damn about whether you think, whether you don't like what she has to say about Israel or forward remote viewing or whatever.
She'll talk to anybody she wants.
The Egyptian comedian Hasem, I'm terrible with the name, but you know I was.
It was very good.
She doesn't care.
In fact, in fact, in fact, if you ever want to book a show, I've never done this before, but if you ever want to book a show with Candace, tell her this much.
You know, I know there's no way you would ever want to talk to me because, well, I don't think you can take the heat.
What?
What?
You don't think I can what?
Yeah, I don't think you're ready.
Me?
You don't think I can.
What?
See what I mean?
You challenge her, and she just doesn't give a damn what you think.
And that's why we love that.
We love it.
This is somebody you want to get to know.
And you want to say, just do me a favor.
Just don't lie to me.
I can take it.
Tell me to take a walk, pound sand, whatever it is.
And she'll tell you that.
She'll say, okay.
I'll tell you exactly what it is.
And if you believe me, we'll be cordial, but and they are coming after her.
Oh, by the way, I love these two-bit comedian wannabes who all of a sudden think they're going to make a name for themselves by standing in line and throwing shade.
Is that what the kids call it?
Against Candace?
I mean, they really think this.
They think they're clever.
This new brand, this new ilk, this new iteration of comic today is basically vile, sexually juvenescent, and weird, kind of perverted.
And he's a bunch of weird folks whose medication apparently hasn't kicked in because they're not funny and they're mean.
And they think that they are, again, kind of like Erica thinks she is possessed with manifest beauty and charm.
These people think they are at the cutting edge of brilliance and sharp rapier wit with their ripostes and their rhubarbative ribotes.
And in any event, we'll leave it at that.
My friends, thank you for listening.
Thank you for your kindness.
Thank you.
And thank you, by the way, for the love of the support that you've shown my woman that I love and respect and support my wife, who returns a favor, for Lynn's Warriors.
She is the ultimate fighter.
24-7.
You know what she was doing today?
She's got a piece coming out.
Arranged marriages.
I'm not talking foreign.
I'm not talking.
I'm talking here.
People selling their children.
Selling their children.
You're going to say, that doesn't happen here.
Want to bet?
Listen, I know the Nancy Guthrie thing, I know it's tragic, but come on.
You've got to be able to handle more than one topic at the same time.
Kids, when I was a, you might want to ask your parents, it was a fellow named Eric Brennan who would stand with these plates on Ed Sullivan.
He'd have a stick and he got this plate.
He would spin this one and then this one.
He'd spin these plates and he had to keep them all going at the same time.
That's what I'm doing.
That's what we do.
We have plates and bowls spinning simultaneously.
And as F. Scott Fitzgerald said, we're also able to handle two seemingly inconsistent thoughts simultaneously without losing our mind.
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