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Jan. 20, 2026 - Lionel Nation
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Erika Kirk's Lies and Distortions Exposed by Candace Owens

Erika Kirk's Lies and Distortions Exposed by Candace Owens

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Why Lies Seem Easy 00:09:31
I'm going to tell you right now, I love this.
I love this because I want to reach out my hand and bring you in to the conspiratorium.
For many people, this is the first time you've ever even been in anything near weird with the, you know, Candace Owens, Erica Kirk, and November Renaissance.
You're thinking yourself, what is, this is crazy.
It's not crazy.
It's not crazy.
They're going to tell you you're crazy because nobody has ever been involved in anything like this.
On September the 11th in 2001, we're looking at the 25th anniversary of this.
When I jumped into this thing, and I'm here in New York, and I said, hey, wait a minute.
Don't you understand?
I was saying things that today it doesn't seem like much, but I would say, what about building seven?
Don't you understand at 5.20 p.m.
And they go, this guy's out of his mind.
What do you know about explosives and control demolitions and Operation, you know, and P-NAC?
And what happens is, and please remember this.
In America, I can't speak about the rest of the world, but in America, instead of these people saying, well, maybe I should learn something about this, no.
Because they haven't heard it, you're crazy.
Because they haven't studied it, because they've never come across it, you're crazy.
If it doesn't cross their threshold, it means nothing.
No matter what it is, whether it's JFK, MLK, name it.
Name it.
Okay?
Name it.
Now, work with me on this.
All right.
Especially if you're brand new.
And we got a lot of newbies here, a lot of Tyros, a lot of brand new.
I don't want to say ex-normies.
I don't want to use all this Argo that explains this.
But let me explain to you.
Let me start off with something.
Marshall McLuhan once said, and this is the most important thing in the world.
And this is what you must understand, you must grasp.
You know, the medium is the message.
Marshall McLuhan said that little lies need protecting.
Little lies need protecting to be kept secret, to be kept as lies.
But big lies are easy because of our incredulity.
You see, that means the bigger the story, the bigger the claim, the bigger what you're claiming is, the easier it is for it to just occur right in front of everybody because it's so crazy.
To people who've never heard this before.
Pick any subject you'd like.
UFOs, vaccines, anything.
Anything that deviates from the official bumper sticker narrative handed most Americans.
Okay?
People, Americans, I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I would venture to say Americans love things really just wrapped up.
They don't like their world unsettled by you coming across with these crazy theories.
And that's one of the reasons why Candace poses a problem.
Because they want just to go to bed.
They don't care anything about Charlie.
You would think there would be this voracious appetite for the truth.
Oh, no, no, no, no, not in this country.
No, no.
It's the opposite.
So here's this woman.
First you see a video of this, gotta watch the YouTube of Charlie.
Was this an entrance wound, an exit wound?
We don't know.
And the first thing that we did, remember this?
We, but I mean, our group, being not conspiracists, but just regular, rational people, we said, let's see if this story makes any sense.
And out of nowhere came people who, one was a Marine sniper retired, or one was a ballistics expert, or one was a hunter.
And they said, no, based upon our ideas, our frame of reference, our expertise, this could not or did happen or whatever it was.
Now, I'm a trial lawyer, former prosecutor, and we have used as expert witnesses people who were just very good at something.
One time there was a case where, I remember there was a teenage kid who was an expert in scuba diving for a civil case because he really knew scuba.
He knew everything about this.
And there was something involved with the regulator.
So anybody can be an expert witness.
Let me also remind you that jurors are regular people who get to hear this.
They're not experts in this.
They're not experts in ballistics and control demolitions.
No, you tell them that, and then they weigh the evidence.
Big lies are easy to keep secret because of your incredulity.
This far-fetched, it sounds crazy.
That's the stuff.
Erica Kirk comes along.
And all Erica Kirk had to do, so help me God, after this, after this horrible dispatch.
I'm not suggesting she or we don't know who was really responsible.
Obviously, Tyler Robinson, but well, that remains to be seen.
But do you think somebody at TPUSA or somebody would have said, listen, Erica, somebody who knows this, listen, hon. They're going to find out about us, you, your parents, your mother, Fort Wachuca.
It's just, you know what?
Just you don't need this.
You don't need this.
Candace Owens is kind of, she's hovering in.
And I'm surprised we went this long.
I'm surprised we went this long under the radar.
Nobody cared about you because everything they're finding out right now about November Renaissance and all this, they could have found out before.
But nobody cared about her.
They were interested in Charlie.
That's the way that works.
Nobody thinks about going after, you know, whoever.
But because you're now in charge and because you insisted upon doing, you know, the Carol Merrill, Betty Furness, ask your parents, you know, the Vanna White kind of, it's like the woman at the car show, you know, just, what do you do?
It's like this is her, this is her default.
And I'm going to say something right now.
And you're going to be very upset by this.
And I understand this, but I don't care.
It's true.
One of the things which, I believe, attracted Erica Kirk to the limelight.
Like many other women in our society that puts an inordinate amount of attention on looks and glamour and sexy and everything.
But one of the reasons was because of being the star.
Look at her MO.
Look at her background.
Look at her.
Just look at who she is.
Look at, she wanted to be the star.
Used to call her the beauty queen.
She wanted it.
America sweetheart.
Sexy, American, with a series of shape-shifting.
Okay, I'm sex.
Now I'm a Christian.
Now I'm a mom.
Now I'm this.
Fine.
Listen, everybody does that to an extent in show business.
But she couldn't let it go because she says, oh, no, Now's my chance.
Now, you don't understand.
No, I'm, I'm, I'm, no, I'm up there.
I'm up there.
And I'm going to run TPUSA and I'm going to do it.
And they, hey, Erica, yeah, what is it?
You just got about five or six Fox News what to do in all-day coverage of a Barry White CBS.
Oh, I'm in.
You've got a book.
Erica, not now.
What do you mean, not now?
I'm doing it now.
Okay, Erica, listen.
You can do it, but tone it down.
Do you know how to act?
A grieving wife is more shocked.
They're going to first say to you right off the bat, Erica, why are you doing this now?
Let it go.
She said, Are you nuts?
Now?
They want me now.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
You strike while the iron's hot.
I'm going to go now.
I know that may sound cruel, but prove me wrong.
Well, you can't prove me wrong, but tell me a theory that tell me why that doesn't make sense.
Charlie's Impact 00:03:02
She has been waiting for her, it's like Sunset Boulevard.
She's been waiting for her close-up since day one.
We live in a society where poker tune is sexy and this and that.
This was it.
And Charlie was, oh my God, Charlie had something which, let me tell you something.
You want to be sexy?
Great.
You want to be athletic?
Great.
What Charlie had was noble and godlike.
And, I mean, chosen and Christian and good and moral and righteous and smart and brilliant.
I mean, people loved him.
They loved him.
I will never forget.
We were at a birthday party, and I talked to some friends of mine in my own circle, this one particular, and it just so happened two, yeah, two, two of our friends who have kids in college said, I can't believe my son and my daughter was absolutely just thunderstruck, waylaid,
just just leveled by his, they couldn't believe it.
They were such huge fans.
And the parents never knew it.
I know cases of people who tell me, you know, I was a big Charlie fan too.
I mean, almost on the level of like, you know, Joe Rogan.
Let me, I think we understand this.
This guy was huge.
He was, this was, he was their Billy Graham or their, I don't know what the comparison is.
And he was, oh my God, he was, he was the Republican, the conservative, the poll star, the bellwether.
He was the leading, the guiding light.
He was it.
He was it.
He was the focus.
He was everything about it.
He was so, it was so critical that people understand exactly what it was, how great he was.
And he's gone.
And immediately, immediately, people say, wait a minute.
Don't you care about this?
They've never been through this before.
This was there.
John Lennon, Princess Dime, you know, This moment, JFK, where somebody important to them was gunned down, and they couldn't believe the lack of attention, the lack of interest.
Odd Reasons Digging In 00:15:48
Not even incredulity, not even surprise, nothing.
It was just like, oh, well, move along.
And the first thing Erica did is stand up and she's all right, let's, I forgive, let's go wrap this up.
They go, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, wait, whoa.
Can you wait?
You know, the barrel is still warm.
And then there was the story itself.
The story, which I've told you many times, doesn't make any sense.
And by the way, recently, Erica apparently applied under Utah law as a request for a speedy trial.
It's not mandatory.
But Utah is apparently a victim's rights states.
And it kind of says, hey, listen, if it's all the same to you, can you speed this along?
You know, it's still odd.
Speed it up.
Most people say you take all the time in the world you want.
You get the son of a not her.
Hurry up.
Let's go.
Go, go.
Odd.
It's one odd thing after another.
Okay.
And then it happens.
I don't know the moment.
I mean, she was there the whole time, but the moment that Candace Owens entered, that's it.
They say, oh no.
Candace, she's the Mike Wallace of our time.
Remember the old joke?
The worst thing in the world you can hear is Mike Wallace is in the waiting room.
He wants to talk to you.
So you know this is bad.
Because she gets on something.
She doesn't let go.
And the more you go after her, the harder she fights.
You know that Chinese, that little thing you put your finger, that straw device where you, the more you pull, the more it, okay, that's Candace.
She gets stuck in the mind, but she tries to pull your foot out of the quicksand, and it gets deeper.
You don't want her, you don't want her after you.
Plus, she has legions of people who say, who love to see her in action.
Who love to see her in action.
So from the get-go, from the get-go, she is like this.
I mean, she's like a dog in a bone.
She is not letting this thing go.
And all Erica had to do was just go away.
It would have seemed cruel if they would have brought Fort Wachuca up and all this stuff.
They would have said, oh, Candace, for the love of God, the poor woman's at home with her kids.
Is she?
What about Charlie's parents?
Where is he buried?
I mean, we don't know.
It's the weirdest thing.
The more you pull, the more it pulls back.
You know what Mandelbrot's Mandelbrot's fractals are, right?
Benoit Mandelbrot, you look closer, closer, closer, closer, and it just keeps going on.
You think there's no end to it.
It keeps replicating.
There's no end to this.
You're digging and digging and digging.
So here she goes.
All of a sudden, Fort Wachuca, you would think somebody would say, all right, that's it.
She knows about Wachuca.
You know, DEF CON 4 or 3, whatever it was.
That's it.
Battle Stations.
That's it.
All right, Erica, you're out.
She's on to Wachuca.
She's on to it.
And they get this guy, Mitchnell.
I was there.
I saw.
And they ripped this man apart.
This man had no, what a waste of flesh.
They assailed his DNA, everything about him, his past, his family, his morals or lack thereof.
I mean, it was unbelievable.
Incredible.
There was no end to it.
But he was right.
And we're not going to rehash this, but they tried to assail him.
They tried to impugn him through his son and his son.
Verify.
Okay, so that's what you're thinking.
Okay, fine.
We're done with the Fort Watchuka.
The name sounds stupid.
Enough.
Oh, no.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Then we find out that there's this Kickstarter, you know, pilot, you know, November Renaissance with her conspicuously positioned sexily on the cover.
There was some Kickstarter program.
And everybody and their mother involved in this.
I'm surprised.
You know, NQTEL or some CIA, you know, funding scheme or platform didn't take care of this.
But anyway, but everybody who was in this, in this supposed movie, was involved in Twitter Watchuka and her mother and her father with this and drone technology.
I mean, it turns out, it turns out, because Erica didn't know to stay home, she is the most, we used to say, you know, mobbed up.
She's the most spooked up.
I don't know what the term is.
She is so incredibly enlaced and entangled in all things Intel, you can't believe it.
And then we find out about this gate, this gifted and talented programs, and how maybe they'd have been called.
And it just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
And then we're wondering about, did they recruit kids?
Did they pull them, did they pluck them out to be groomed for CIA and Intel positions?
And it's just all of this because Erica had to be the star.
She had, remember, if there was no Erica, who would be talking about Fort Watchuka?
It would be like.
But because she's there somewhere, somewhere, with those glarings, enough, stop, stop.
Oh, my God.
And Candace says, stop.
Stop.
Oh, honey.
We just begun.
And the stories, when you take somebody who, for the rest, who for most of their life have never, has never been privy to any of the CIA operations, A Jackson, Paperclip, and MK Ultra and Stargate.
I mean, they just, you know, they think you're out of your mind.
Even though it's been declassified.
MK Ultra has been declassified.
Been declassified.
The church committee, and they know nothing.
Nothing.
Nothing.
I've done this with, I mean, I was red-pilled on 9-11.
I kept telling people, do you know about this?
No.
Do you know how many military drills there were?
No.
You know what Building 7 is?
Building 7.
are you talking about you know who the no You know who Honey Honduras is?
No.
They know the names of the pot.
Nothing.
They have this bumper sticker playbook cookie cutter, kind of a surface level, kind of a veneer idea of the story.
And everything, instead of you saying, well, let me look into this.
They go, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
I do this all the time.
Because we also live in a research.
Well, let me explain to you.
This is something.
And I think Candace must know this as well.
There was a time in my generation when we had three networks and we had a library.
Or some say a library.
This thing called the Dewey Decimal System.
And if you wanted to find something out, you had to get in your car and go to the library.
And talk to the woman with the Chignon answering the phone.
Maybe the research person, and good luck with that.
Today, you can pick up your phone, and especially now with ChatGPT and AI and all this stuff.
And you can, I mean, you can learn so much.
Just the name, somebody to verify it.
Granted, not the last word, but you have the library at Alexandria in your pocket, like nothing we've ever known.
We are awash information, awashing data.
We are swimming in data.
There is no reason for us not to know anything.
And these people won't pick up their phone to even look up anything.
I don't know what parallel universe they live in.
But do you know what they love?
Do you know what they love more than anything else?
Do you know what gets them going?
But what invigorates them is to hate.
And they hate Candace.
We love her.
They hate her.
And Candace loves the fact that she's able to engender this particular type of reaction.
They hate her.
Everything about her.
How dare you think you're going to do this to us?
Who do you think you are?
Who do you think you are?
Not only that, her positions on Israel in some circles made her real popular.
Other people found her intrigue as far as the actual gender classification of Brigie Macron.
Also, they thought that was fantastic.
Believe it or not, a lot of people liked her until.
See, Candace is like Trump.
Trump in the 80s was the biggest thing in New York.
Everybody loved Trump.
Trump was on every show there was.
They loved Trump like you cannot believe Trump was the greatest thing in the world.
Anybody, they loved Trump.
Now they hate his guts.
Same thing with Candace.
They loved her.
They loved.
She was great.
I mean, she, but then they came after her.
They came after her.
They sounded the dog whistle, sounded the clocks, and hit the alarm, and they sent out who?
That image killer, Ben Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro couldn't lure me out of a burning building.
Ben Shapiro doesn't understand.
I'm sorry to say this, how weird and nerdy and strange and odd he is.
He doesn't understand it.
He doesn't get it.
You think somebody would say, you know, Ben, not for nothing here, but, you know, pal, you're kind of weird.
You're weird.
You just, you're weird.
We're doing research and we got somebody else.
Somebody who looks.
Have you seen those people that they try to push?
Remember that one kid?
I don't know if it was a kid, but he was like Stepfordy.
He was smiling at a strange name.
I'm thinking, who the hell is this guy?
They were just auditioning people to somehow take to steward the helm of TPUSA.
You got to be kidding me.
It's the weirdest thing we've ever seen.
And then here comes Candace.
And then there's Tucker.
And they start attacking, well, they're attacking Tucker for whatever reason.
And then comes Nick Fuentes.
By the way, Nick Fuentes, just read what's up about him.
Great career move, Nick.
You've got it.
You've got to figure it out.
I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but hey, good luck to you, buddy.
So Nick is joining with Alex Jones, whom I love, whom I love.
And they both have, or one of them has come up with the idea that Candace is an Adderall.
She's suffering from Adderall-induced psychosis.
That's good.
That's good.
Not just crazy, but psychosis.
I know a little bit about psychosis, you know, lab working, clinical work, and prosecutor, the insanity defense.
Candace on her, on her, she may be a lot of things.
A lot of things.
But psychotic, no.
It's like the word psychopath.
They use these words all the time.
It's like, anyway.
So they're coming after her.
Oh, they're nuts.
And they are going nuts.
She's crazy.
And they never say the reason why, Candace.
See, you're wrong about it.
See, Fort Huachuca was really an installation opened in 1958, which was devoted to weather research.
And there is no drone.
You know, something, I'm just making this up.
That would be good.
Well, and you almost act like you feel sorry.
Like, well, Candace, you got your, it wasn't Fort Huachuca.
It was Fort Chupacabra, you know, which is around the corner.
That's the one.
It wasn't the 82nd airborne.
It was a 42nd airborne.
You know, somebody to come along and make her sound like she doesn't know what she's doing about it.
She's out of her league.
I know this can be confusing.
No, she didn't do that.
They said she's an add-er-all-addicted psychotic.
Imagine the Oxford debating club.
And to my esteemed colleague, you're a dim-witted psychotic.
You're a misanthropic.
You're insane.
You're a gob-smacked catamite.
Oh, my God.
What are you talking about?
Who attacks people?
I grew up in a generation where we had on the weekends William F. Buckley, you know, interviewing Mortimer Adler on how to read.
I mean, this was, I've never seen anything like this.
Even Bill Buckley and Gore Vidal, well, a little bit, but still, this is nuts.
This is crazy.
And then you bring in the old guy, poor Piers Morgan.
Bring out Piers.
What?
Yes, because Pierce says, hello, yes, I'm British.
I don't know what's going on.
I put people together who basically hate each other and I act like I'm the voice of reason.
And it's like a cockfight.
I bring animals who are baited, who yell and scream.
I don't know what I'm doing.
But I speak with the British patois brogue.
And Americans think we're smarter.
No.
Come on.
Stop it.
It's just...
I mean, there's this new...
But anyway, but these new folks are moving up.
By the way, Dave Smith and Dinesh D'Souza, Judge Napolitano, please see that.
One of the best debates, truly a debate.
It was not really rebarbative, but it was exciting and it was polite, very, very intelligent.
That was great.
There's all these new stars, these new people coming out.
And that's fine.
But at the very top, Candace.
Rogan's over here, but Rogan's, the numbers, Rogan can talk about everything from, you know, who built the pyramids to the latest, you know, frog hallucinogenic or whatever.
That's okay.
You know, eating raw meat or whatever.
And that's fun.
But in terms of the person who gets the most, who was in the focus, was Candace.
And they keep handing it to her.
They keep handing it in the criminal law business called a grounder.
Sometimes when there was this murder one time on the Upper East Side, it was a dry cleaner's.
And the murderer had something where for some reason they were bleeding and they left a handprint, I mean, on the glass, on the window.
And some NYPD lab tech or crime scene tech says, well, I'll run the prints and go, hey, you know who it is.
Conspiracy Theory Worries 00:07:08
It's Larry Lipschitz.
And sure enough, they go, incredible police work.
Shoe leather, the dogged gum shoe.
No, it's a handmail.
It's a grounder.
Sometimes you just, you just, and every day, these people still fight.
They fight and fight and fight, and they are imbued by and in this, I guess you'd call it almost like a parallel universe or some kind of weird inertial bubble that they think they believe they live in.
They think they live in this world where they are somehow by virtue of their, by virtue of their virtue, by virtue of their countenance and their Christianity and their genius and their brilliance.
They don't have to worry about things like consistency and logic.
They don't have to worry about that because we're TPUSA.
America Kirk, I don't have to worry about this.
You don't understand.
But they're basking still in the protection, if you will, the virtual intellectual Kevlar that was brought about by virtue of Charlie.
Charlie's gone.
Charlie's gone.
So I don't know where this is going.
But the first thing they have to do is remove her from, this is Candice.
I mean, excuse me.
Did I say that?
Remove Erica from the on-deck circle because the problem is she's the focus of this.
And look, America understands bullshit.
We know it.
Number two, we're not stupid.
Number three, there's a group of us who are part of the conspiratorium, more maybe intellectually geared toward, maybe because we like it.
Maybe we used to be called a sleuth.
We supposedly live in this world where we're into, you know, this true crime business.
We love this stuff.
We can follow it.
And if you have our group versus the regular, the conspiratorium is what I call my group here, and the rest of the world, and our group will say, all right, any of you heard of DARPA?
Our group hands will go, who?
DARPA?
Wasn't that the girl in the little rascals?
No, that's Darla.
Oh.
Anybody heard of MK Ultra?
Paperclip?
Ajax?
You know, geoengineering.
Just go down the list.
Just go to.
We don't believe everything, but we know what's there.
We understand about things being declassified.
We read.
Don't you remember the church committee?
Don't you remember when Helms basically took all of the information regarding MKUltra and burned it?
I mean, this was the most incredible.
Annie Jacobson, I believe, talks about the idea of how the Pentagon and DARPA used mysticism and paranormalness and parapsychology because they were so afraid that the Russians would be using psychics and the like.
The police have used psychics to try to find bodies.
What do you think that is?
That's remote viewing.
You've heard about this.
Police have used psychics.
That's remote viewing.
It's like a human, like a spiritual drone that goes out and looks.
You don't have to believe it.
You just have to know it's being done.
So, in conclusion, if you're new to this, especially, and I say this, we want to welcome our new members, our new generation of conspiratorium members.
Welcome to the cleric.
You could be a conspirator.
Don't forget what a conspiracy is.
A conspiracy doesn't mean crazy.
It means an agreement between two or more people intended to bring about something nefarious, something illegal, something criminal, something wrong.
But it's two or more people.
It's the name of an agreement.
That's all it is.
A conspiracy is the arrangement.
That's all it is.
It doesn't mean crazy.
A conspiracy means two or more people.
All it means is, I say, well, I don't want to be a conspiracy.
You mean more than one person?
All it means is if you act alone, it's not a conspiracy.
If you act with two or more people who are joined together in this confederation, acting in concert, it's a conspiracy.
That's all.
And when you ask the question, is, was the JFK assassination a conspiracy?
That means, was there anybody involved other than Lee Harvey Oswald?
And the answer is, was there ever?
But that's the way that works.
So forgive me if I remind you of these particular terms because sometimes, as you know, we kind of lose track of what they mean.
So first, let me thank you for this.
Your thoughts, your, like I told you for years, I didn't read any comments anybody put anybody.
I said, oh, dear God, no.
It was just horrible.
I said, let them talk.
I'm just not going to.
It's not helping me, you know, to hear how I'm loathed.
But now, it's a different story.
Because I believe we are meeting together.
We have coalesced in unity.
We have coalesced behind.
It's a very simple idea of truth, of doing it for Charlie, but also helping our gal, Candace.
Because she's up there in the front.
She's like that guy in the Chienam Square, you know, with the takeout.
Remember him, moving with the tank.
That's who she is.
And I'm behind her 100%.
And if you don't like her, don't listen to her.
She's not crazy.
And she's not an at-do-all addict in the midst of some kind of psychotic fugue.
But thank you for that.
Thank you for this.
Let me also thank you, by the way.
I appreciate it immensely.
You have been following my wife's YouTube channel at Lynn's Warriors.
We have another, probably more powerful than anything I feel regarding this, is our desire, hers in particular, spearheading this for years, to protect children, to stop human trafficking, and to stop digital predation.
What's happening to the minds of our kids and what AI are going to do to kids?
You have, it's, it's, oh my God.
We used to worry about in my generation the guy with the van, the guy, you know, somebody snatching you.
Maybe some guy at a bench, you know, with a with a raincoat, exposing himself.
No.
What kids today have to endeavor and negotiate?
It's horrible.
So thank you for that.
Follow her at Lynn's Warriors.
And thank you for following this.
So anyway, I've got some questions afterwards for you to follow up.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for your brilliant for your verb.
Support Candy.
Bless her heart.
I call her Candy.
I just did.
I just started.
She may hate that.
I have no idea.
But support her.
And support anybody who's out for the truth.
Support anybody out there who says, I'm not going to ask permission, any goddamn permission about what I'm.
I'm just going to say what I want.
And nobody's going to stop me.
I like that.
All right, my friends, thanks for watching.
And remember this.
Our final words, our valedictory, our adios, our cyanara.
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