Lionel Nation - MAGA's Disintegrating!

Nov. 16, 2025 - Lionel Nation

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MAGA's Disintegrating!

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	Good day, my friend.
	I am sorry to have started after the fact.
	I was going to finish today's piece, but I was running a little late as I had a little engagement this evening.
	This is Elle and I are tooling, but I wanted to speak with you most importantly and very quickly about something which is really scaring me.
	And the question is, what is happening to our MAGA?
	What is happening to our president?
	What is happening to the people who supposedly pretend and suggest that they are 100% behind our president?
	Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	Now you've got Roger Stone against Steve Bannon.
	You've got Massey, you've got Tucker against, I mean, it is a veritable melange, a potpourri, an unending confusion here.
	What is happening?
	What is happening to us?
	I don't understand this.
	Maybe you can figure this thing out.
	I don't know.
	But I'm reading this and I'm thinking, Marjorie's this way.
	What is Trump doing?
	Why is he going out of his way to create, again, more problems?
	Why say anything in public?
	Why not, let's say if Trump is upset, let's face it, Marjorie Taylor Greene's got a lot of people that people like and whatever.
	Why doesn't he do his best to say, listen, let's work this thing out.
	Let's not let this out in the open.
	Let's not go out of our way to air our dirty laundry.
	I don't understand this.
	The left must be absolutely apoplectic over the fact that we look like, I guess we are, we look like we're just fools, unable to get along, unable to comport, to comply, to deal with each other.
	I don't understand it.
	Maybe this makes sense to you, but it doesn't make sense to me.
	And I'm telling you right off the bat, there's something very, very sad about this.
	I don't like it.
	I don't understand also, my friends, and maybe you can help me with this.
	Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Tucker, Nick Fuentes, who cares?
	My government, my government does not have anything to do with whether these folks get along or not.
	Does this make any sense?
	Who gives a damn whether there's any kind of confusion?
	Who is Mark Levin?
	With all due respect, Mark Levin and Soaza.
	Okay, they're very upset.
	All right.
	Maybe Bill O'Reilly, you're going to bring up, maybe Bill O'Reilly is upset.
	Maybe Glenn Beck is upset.
	Maybe Dinesh D'Souza is upset.
	When did our government, when did our concern over, when did our concern over this, I guess, for lack of a better word, when did our concern over individual folks and their arguments with each other?
	I don't particularly care about this.
	It means nothing to me.
	And I'm going to tell you something right now.
	We're in, we are looking so foolish.
	Now, Marjorie Taylor Green probably has some type of, let's face it, she probably has some type of deal where she is trying, I think, to, well, I think she's trying to, I think she's trying to figure a way to maybe work her way into something.
	Can you blame it?
	Maybe she wants to be the new whoever.
	She's hanging around Sonny Hostin.
	I mean, so what?
	Please repeat after me.
	We elected President Trump.
	What he does matters.
	If Ben Shapiro gets a hair up his ass or Mark Levin or Geraldo Rivera or whoever is, or Joy Behart, it doesn't mean anything.
	It doesn't mean Candace Owens doesn't mean good for Candace Owens.
	Whatever.
	Good, good, Candace.
	It's okay.
	Good.
	Good for you, I guess.
	Good for you too.
	I mean, I don't, somewhere, maybe you can help.
	No, I'm serious.
	I'm asking you.
	I'm not being rhetorical here.
	I'm really asking you a question.
	Why does it matter?
	How does this matter?
	How does this matter?
	Please tell me.
	Where did I, did I not go to school that day?
	Did I miss the importance of individual people?
	I mean, if William F. Buckley, I mean, let's face it, he was really the pot of familiarists of American conservatism when he disagreed with something that made sense.
	I think that was important.
	Because when he basically was the arm, the ideological, philosophical, syphilological arm of the conservative, right, it meant something.
	Later on, you know, the National Review, it was released something.
	I think George Will to an extent.
	They were released something.
	But Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro, let me also say something to you.
	We are under such an attack by group, listen to me carefully, by groups of people who may not necessarily be prototypically classically conservative.
	I mean, excuse me, socialist or communist or Marxist.
	They might be social conservative, social Marxist.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the name of them they are.
	I really don't know.
	I don't know what they're called.
	I don't know.
	I can go through the history of this.
	Today I spent a lot of time.
	I had a lot of free time.
	And I was listening to a number of lectures, some fascinating pieces about how Mussolini, the father of fascism, was an ardent socialist.
	He was a Marxist.
	He was so we can spend all of our days going through this mix of who said what.
	Was it social?
	Is it classic, classical proto-socialism, meta-socialism?
	Is it a socialism which deals specifically and totally with the notion of the planned economy?
	Maybe, I don't know.
	It doesn't matter.
	All I know is two things.
	We are under attack.
	What are you going to do about it?
	What are you going to do about it, my friends?
	And I want you to ask everybody, what are you going to do?
	You're going to watch a TV show?
	You're going to maybe watch what?
	Maybe you could just watch a TV show.
	You can just, I don't know what the word is.
	You can just say, okay, well, let me watch Alex Jones.
	Okay.
	Alex Jones is not, by the way, the spokesperson for this.
	Alex Jones, there is nobody who is a bigger fan than I of Alex Jones.
	I think he is.
	I think it will be decades before we recognize what he did, but he is not my political party.
	We may not agree with something.
	It doesn't mean he's wrong.
	It just means we don't agree.
	You know, you may like pineapple on your pizza.
	I don't.
	We just disagree.
	It has something to do with the notion of pizza.
	We've got to get our act together.
	Okay.
	We are under attack.
	And meanwhile, they're waiting to get us during four midterms.
	What are we going to do about it?
	And what are you going to be doing about it?
	What are you going to be doing about it?
	What is, tell me, what are you going to be doing about this?
	I ask you, I ask you, I ask you sincerely.
	I ask you, dear, dear friend, what are you going to do about this?
	Okay?
	What are we going to do?
	How do we get to the president?
	How do we say, Mr. President, please, enough with these internecine battles.
	I don't care if it's Bannon or anybody.
	It makes us look fractionalized.
	It makes us look confused.
	And it makes you look petty and mean and strange and how you take to social media or truth social.
	By the way, is anybody on Truth Social?
	I know he is.
	I know a lot of people are, but most people are.
	You know that blue sky or blue ski?
	Remember that one?
	Well, nothing.
	So we have to ask ourselves, what are we going to do about this?
	What are we going to do about this?
	Oh, Trump's handling, Trump's handling of the, that's a very good point.
	Someone brings up was Chris Nalina.
	The Epstein case is an absolute disgusting, I don't know how incompetent it was.
	It started with Pam Bondi, who, by the way, can't blame Pam.
	I don't think she acted on her own.
	She, with the, the, the recommendation, excuse me, with the, the, not, not the connivance, but with the the work, so to speak, of Kash Patel and Bongino, released this thing and started the whole Epstein thing going.
	Listen, let me explain to you, okay?
	Epstein was one of many, many, many sex scandals.
	His was now the most prominent.
	We are never going to find out.
	Larry Summers, good for Larry Summers, because he's one of these left-wing twits.
	Okay.
	And let me explain something to you more than anything else.
	I do not, oh, Fishman says the 10th amendment will protect us against whatever future tyrant elected government comes in.
	State level is almost all we should worry about.
	Oh my God.
	Fishman, thank you.
	That's like saying, we don't have anything to worry about.
	We have a First Amendment.
	Nobody can take our First Amendment away because we have a First Amendment.
	No, Fishman, they, Yeah, they can find some pretty nasty ways to hurt us.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Hate to break it to you, my friend, but ideally you're correct.
	But number one, Epstein has no interest.
	Let me explain something to you.
	The very fact that and how they're falling for this, that Hunter Biden is going after Miranda Devine and others goes to show you the level of disconnect.
	I can't believe that he's doing this on his own without basically checking with somebody saying, hey, listen, I'm Hunter Biden.
	I hope you don't mind if I go out on the record, so to speak.
	I think if during the course of the president's life, I think he would tell you, and other people would say, in the end.
	in the 80s and 90s or whatever, who knows?
	There was a time when very rich people, very, very people from Hugh Hefner to whatever, enjoyed every connivance, every permutation of sexual excess that you can imagine.
	Orgies, multiple wife swapping, infidelity, drugs.
	It was a way of thinking.
	It was like in the 60s, sort of.
	It's like Caligula meets, whatever.
	I think they will tell you.
	In order for you to be in that time, I'm not suggesting this is correct, because I believe that fidelity still means something.
	But everybody said everybody did this.
	Everybody.
	And if you really want to sit back and go through what is the matter with these people, the president will tell you, I'm sure he will say, you know what?
	There are some things in the past.
	I don't think you ever did drugs or alcohol.
	But when it came to men trying to show, you know, their cocksmanship and all of that, I think we would be surprised how many people would look back and say, you know what?
	As far as underage trafficking, that I don't see.
	But I want you to understand something.
	President Trump is not a wallflower.
	President Trump is not Richard Nixon.
	President Trump is not anybody.
	He was a guy who was in New York.
	He was a swinging, you know, whatever it is.
	And I don't want to say, I have no reason to believe or disbelieve anything.
	Does that really bother you at this point?
	Let me ask you something.
	Look me in the eye.
	Does it really bother you who met on Epstein Island?
	Let's assume it's not girls, children.
	But are you really, are you saying that you care about Larry Summers?
	I don't.
	I think it's kind of fun to say, okay, it's good to see some lefty brought down, but that's about it.
	Does it matter to you?
	Does it really matter to you?
	Right now, the world is going, the world is about to collapse, and we're going to stop and do what?
	It is a distraction.
	Nothing will be done regarding it.
	There is no active prosecution or levels of prosecution directed towards it.
	We're wasting our time.
	It's just trash, tawdry, scintillating, titillating.
	That's all it is.
	Does it bother you?
	Does it bother you?
	How about the trillions of dollars that we're wasting?
	How about a government shutdown that hurt more people?
	That bothers me.
	How about the midterms?
	That bothers me.
	How about the fact that we have sold out to big tech with AI?
	That bothers me.
	You have no idea.
	Again, how hard.
	Jeffrey Epstein, seriously?
	And I'm going to ask Marjorie Taylor Green.
	Marjorie, come here for a minute.
	Sit down, Marjorie.
	Close the door.
	Marjorie, what do you want?
	Marjorie, do you want me to show you a current list of your colleagues?
	Marjorie, I'm sure, I'm sure you are as clean as a hound's tooth.
	But can you tell me that your own particular sex life and adult life has nothing that you should be ashamed of or that we can find out about?
	Boebert and Massey and Luna and Laura Loomer and everybody.
	I mean, do you really, do you want your personal life?
	I'm also going to say something to you and I want you to listen to me carefully and I hope you don't take it the wrong way.
	And I need your likes, by the way.
	I need 70,000 likes.
	I know that may sound much, but I need them.
	Please like this video because that is our metric.
	If you think, if you think that you had women in Palm Beach or in New York, scarfed up, kidnapped off of the street, thrown into a van, pulled, cajoled, wheedled, their lives destroyed, those who were innocent children, young, young,
	young girls.
	I mean, teenager.
	I'm sure there may have been a couple, but the numbers are de minimis.
	If you think innocent babes of the world, remember, under the law, if you were under the age of 18 or 21, depending upon the state, that is it.
	If you go 56 miles per hour, you're breaking the law.
	56, 50.1 miles per hour, you're breaking the law.
	Those are absolutes.
	Do you understand that?
	Yes.
	Do you know the number of women who went out?
	Forget Virginia Juffrey and all that.
	God bless her.
	But if you think Virginia Juffrey was somebody pulled off that she at any particular point, could somebody say, could you have just left this?
	Do you, at your age of 17, if something is so horrible, so terrible, could you have just said, I'm getting out of here?
	Do you think they would have tracked you down, pulled you back against your will?
	Come on.
	Now, people are going to think that I'm minimizing you.
	People are going to say you're trivializing it.
	No.
	But what I want you to understand is simply this.
	There is so much actual predation out there that is so awful and so terrible.
	This is de minimis.
	I'm Epstein out.
	It's over.
	Nobody is going to be prosecuted because they can't be.
	If I represent Larry Summers, I'm going to say, fine, prosecute him.
	For what?
	What?
	Because he wrote something stupid because he texted?
	I've got to prove somebody.
	I've got to put somebody on the stand who says, yes, when I was underage or I was a victim of trafficking, sex, fraud, or coercion, I've got to say this.
	Do you hear what I'm saying?
	I've got to say this.
	But I'm not going to be able to say this because it didn't happen.
	Does it make any sense to you?
	I want you to grow up and I want you to listen to me.
	Our country, our republic, our system is under attack and we are being sidelined by stuff that doesn't matter.
	Candace Owens and this, I don't know what her thing is, Candace Owens and Laura Loomer and enough.
	This is side bets.
	This has nothing to do with the real issue.
	I don't care about them.
	God bless them.
	Let them talk.
	I don't care what they have to say.
	I don't care.
	Tucker Carlson brings up some good points.
	Tucker Carlson, I am tired of this Israel thing.
	Listen, I am not going to argue that there has not been horrors in Gaza or Palestine.
	All right.
	I'm not going to do it.
	I don't have time.
	Do you see what we're doing?
	We are being so caught up in this that we're losing all attention to what really matters.
	Now, do me a favor: whether Nick or Charlie Kirk was upset and left the Israel cause because of whatever, whether he was on the phone with President Trump saying, you've got to stop this, whether, as some people are intimating, somehow he was dispatched because of that.
	Whether that was true, that was Charlie Kirk's right.
	He may have a point, but it is not the subject of my focus.
	Whether he disavowed or disconnected or abnegated any connection with the Israeli cause or whatever, because, or in his capacity in his employ as head of Turning Point USA, I just, it's a different issue.
	He can do whatever he wants.
	He could be a part, not be a part, whether APAC is involved, whether he lost donors.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	What does that have to do with me?
	It's interesting.
	What does it have to do with me?
	Whether there was a Hamptons meeting, whether Ackman yelled at him, whether that British barrister was screaming.
	What does this have to do with me?
	Seriously, it's interesting, sort of.
	Why are we even talking about this?
	Why does it even matter?
	What difference does it make?
	We'll get to that later.
	My country is facing serious problems.
	Why does it matter whether Charlie Kirk disavowed or disconnected himself from Israel?
	Tell me.
	Anybody?
	You can't because it doesn't.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's interesting.
	Find it out later on.
	Good for you.
	The sad part is that Charlie Kirk represented so many young people, so many young people, and now we may have lost those people.
	Do you understand?
	Do you understand?
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	I don't think you do.
	People say it does matter.
	He woke up.
	What difference does it make?
	Why does this affect my country with what's happening?
	Ukraine, Billy's expenditures, America first.
	You're missing the point.
	What difference?
	We have, number one, midterms.
	What is going to happen?
	What is going to happen if we lose it?
	Not only in the midterms, but also ultimately, sad to say, in 2028.
	Do you think JD Vance is this guy that you love so much?
	Why precisely do you love him?
	I need more likes, by the way.
	Why?
	I think you like him because of the way he looks.
	Or you like his beard or you, I don't know.
	I've never heard anybody say, well, I like this, this, this, and this.
	What?
	What in particular?
	I don't understand.
	What is wrong with Bobby Kennedy?
	Who is this group of people?
	What is with Bobby Kennedy and this crazy newtsy woman?
	Why is he texting or sexting?
	This guy is very, very, very unpredictable, but also irresponsible.
	He's got to grow up like a man and stop this nonsense.
	Everybody knows girly, girly, cheap.
	They flash at old Bobby Kennedy and he goes crazy.
	This is a guy who's running the show.
	They're going to set him up for things you can't believe.
	What is going on here?
	So you got Bobby Kennedy and you got this screaming, all this, this interneese.
	Now Bannon is mad at it.
	Meanwhile, the Democrats, listen to me.
	Listen to me.
	You don't have to answer.
	You don't have to say something cute.
	Democrats never turn.
	They close ranks.
	They never, ever turn in their own.
	We do.
	So go ahead.
	Talk about this stuff.
	Talk about this stuff.
	We just go to the me, well, trying to do this, and Antifa, this, but what are we talking about?
	I don't know.
	We were just talking.
	We just talk.
	It's like we're sitting in a waiting room just yammering about, well, I'm this one.
	Well, you know, Tiana Kennedy is always going to bring up very points.
	What are we doing?
	You don't have to respond to everything because everything is not important.
	It's not important.
	And it's not whether you like somebody, whether somebody creeps you out.
	What are they saying?
	What are we going to do?
	What's the bench?
	What is happening?
	I don't know what to tell you.
	New York has the greatest example of basically teaching people about what the notion of this, this proto-meta-socialism is.
	And we're talking about, again, Epstein.
	And we are doomed.
	We are doomed.
	We are the most immature group of people I've ever seen in my life.
	We have no idea about history, no idea about facts.
	We love infighting.
	Johnny McGuire couldn't get higher says someone could tell Trump to follow your advice, not respond to every little thing.
	Exactly.
	I would call everybody in and say, what are you doing?
	Marjorie, what are you doing?
	I'm not going to go on Truth Social.
	Remember when he went on Truth Social and basically bammed, slammed Pam Bondi, which may have made sense, but on Truth Social?
	Look, let me explain something to you.
	This isn't a joke to me.
	I'm not here trying to comment on everybody.
	There are people in the world of news platforms who will be commenting about everything just because it fits in the news.
	Like it's People Magazine.
	Some of it's interesting, some of it's not.
	But we are really hurting here.
	And the president's got to work on this.
	And Susie Wiles, are you seeing what's going on?
	Are you seeing what's going on?
	Alex Jones and Mike, whatever his name is, is doing fantastic work about this.
	So let me just leave you with that, okay?
	This is it.
	I want you to pay attention, pay very, very close attention and ask yourself, what am I here for?
	What am I truly here for?
	What am I here for?
	What is the purpose of what I'm doing?
	What is going on here?
	What is the thing that I stand for?
	And what is the, what is the, the, what, what is the important critical belief system that I espouse?
	Who is running the show?
	When somebody can do something about Lindsey Graham, I don't understand what's happening.
	Lindsey Graham is the most incredible thing I've ever seen in my life.
	Lindsey Graham, how can this happen?
	How can this happen?
	This is so, so monumentally critical, my friends.
	Now, I don't know about you, but Marjorie Taylor Green tried at least to bring up something about, what was it?
	She probably thought, was it geoengineering or something?
	And they laughed at her.
	I have no time for these people.
	I have no time for these people.
	That's the thing which is the most important, which is the most critical.
	Okay?
	That's all I'm going to say.
	I just, I really don't have any, I don't know what the word is.
	I just, I'll talk to you for a while, but then I get tired and I think to myself, this is just, this is just stupid.
	Okay.
	This is just stupid.
	And what's really interesting about why it's really stupid, seriously, is the fact that we live in this world right now where we have forgotten, and I'm sorry, we have forgotten what's important.
	And we've sort of maybe kind of combined our own particular kind of our let's face it.
	Sometimes it's fun to gossip.
	You know what I mean?
	It's fun to gossip.
	It's fun to yell at these people.
	I get it.
	And it's fun to talk.
	There's some great stuff going on now about Alec Baldwin and that nutcase wife of his.
	That's fun.
	I don't confuse the two.
	I don't confuse that with Trump, but it's kind of funny to be catty and petty.
	And it's fun because it's just fun.
	I'm not going to run away from it.
	It's really true.
	But the problem that we have is something which is a little different.
	And I really don't know if I'm explaining this well.
	We have to find out somebody to run our party, our movement, somebody who is not necessarily silly.
	And by the way, somebody who is not going to sit there and repeat the same hack stuff.
	And I've seen it.
	And, well, you heard my point.
	I don't know really who was the best person to listen to.
	I think, I still think, I will still say that Alex Jones is still the best.
	Not really in terms of, when I say the best, you might not like a style.
	You might not like a show.
	But in terms of being completely, completely being consistent with stuff, I think he's been great.
	We have to get back to what's going on.
	In any event, my friend, that's all.
	That's all I want to tell you.
	That's all.
	I hope you're doing great.
	Hope you're having a great time.
	Mrs. L and I are wrapping it up here in our undisclosed location.
	Be back tomorrow doing our thing.
	I'll be seeing if I can weather the trains or the planes or whatever the hell it is.
	I want to thank you for everything.
	Thank you for being a part of this stuff.
	But just leave you with this.
	I want you to turn to your loved one and say, what do we believe in?
	What are we about?
	What is this about?
	What am I talking about?
	What am I actually, what am I talking about?
	What is the purpose of this?
	Am I a conservative, a Republican?
	I don't know what it's called anymore.
	I want to go back one thing.
	I lied before I wrap it up.
	I want to explain something to you.
	And this is critical.
	You know, I don't have a lot of time, and you don't have a lot of times, figuring out all the nonsense that's coming.
	But I will tell you this.
	We are spending so much time talking about nothing that really critically, actually, believe it or not, matters.
	I'm sorry to say this, but it's true.
	I want you to go back and think you're, I want you to write down four or five things.
	Issues that really matter.
	Things that really, really matter.
	And unfortunately, Epstein is not one.
	Then there's this other lady.
	Who is this woman?
	Everybody's yammering about her because she looks hideous and her face is so Jennifer Welch.
	I don't know who this woman is.
	Okay, she looks funny.
	It's like, okay, so what?
	We talk about looks.
	And if there's a woman, we talk about that or we'll make fun of Lindsey Graham's sexuality, but nobody instead goes down to what really, really matters.
	And what really, really matters is that which is being propounded.
	And it goes back, I go back to asking the question, what is it that you honestly, truly believe that you stand for, that I stand for?
	What?
	What do you stand for?
	What is the thing that you really, honestly, truly believe?
	What are the beliefs?
	And please don't say smaller government or whatever.
	God, please don't say that.
	That's one of those things that we've just been saying since the day of Reagan.
	But what is it that we believe in?
	And what are we talking about?
	And why do we constantly show, and again, why do we show these ridiculous internecine battles that we have to stop in any event?
	That's it.
	I'm not giving up on this country.
	I'm not giving up on my thoughts, but I'm telling you, and I know you're smart, don't fall for this stuff.
	Trump is good, but he could be much better.
	Trump is falling for a lot of petty stuff that just doesn't really matter.
	And I think that can be fixed, but it has to be done quickly because they're ready to pounce.
	All right, dear friends, have a great and glorious night.
	It's about what, about 1137 or so Eastern time.
	Better late than never.
	Have a great time.
	I love you.
	Thank you for following us.
	Mrs. Alan and I send our love to you, sending it right back.
	We'll be back.
	It was nice getting away.
	Had a very, very important and noble part of our private lives, which we like to share privacy, privately, out of the glare of the public.
	I will never understand why people ever disclose anything about friends, family, anything.
	I will never understand that.
	It's nobody's business.
	All right, my friends.
	I love you.
	Have a great and glorious day.
	Until then, remember, Monkey's Dead shows over Sue.

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