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Sept. 17, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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Ballistics Evidence Raises NEW Questions in Kirk Assassination
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have been 24-7 on this.
I've been doing nothing but discussing this at levels and at speeds that I never thought possible.
The world is insatiable when it comes to matters of this.
I just got done with my dear friend Sean Atwood in the UK, and they are absolutely beyond belief.
They are losing their minds over this.
Talk to a friend of mine in Moscow, Moscow, an American expat, and he said he could not believe that in Moscow.
The number of teenagers who showed this sense of love for Charlie in Moscow, he said it could not believe what he was seeing.
It blew his and their mind.
And this is what we're seeing right now.
This is something that is incredible.
But today, ladies and gentlemen, what just got even more fascinating is new information, new testimony, new theories, supposition, conjecture, new thinking that dealt specifically with the idea of could there have been another shooter, another version of this rendition.
Could there have been something other than what you were told existed?
Okay.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Let me try this again.
I cannot tell you anymore how important this is for you to grasp.
But let me see if I can tell you this.
There is evidence now based upon experts, as is usually the case, usually the case.
Experts who come forward and say, you know what?
There's something about this which we want to bring to your attention.
There was one video I saw today of a marine sniper, somebody trained as a marine sniper.
And he said that based upon the evidence, and he went through it, that this exit, excuse me, that this wound which was purportedly listed and described as an entrance wound was in fact an exit wound.
Think about what I just told you.
What would you do if that were true?
That it could be indeed an exit wound.
If that's true, if that's true, that changes everything.
Everything.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
If your evidence, if you as a juror are told that the that this Tyler Robinson shot from this way, but you have this is this is Lee Harvey Oswald.
If you have a round coming behind him, this is exploding.
Now, what happens is when you say this, people have a difficult time because they're asking, what am I supposed to do with this information?
What am I supposed to do with information that you're telling me is inconsistent with that which was provided to me?
What do I do?
What do I say?
How do I, how do I comply?
How do I comport?
How do I deal with this?
What is it that I'm supposed to do regarding this, regarding this?
Are you saying that there was somebody else?
That's exactly what we're trying to say.
How could that be?
Well, did he did he have anything to do with this?
I don't know.
Did he have anything to do with this?
We don't know.
Was there somebody else covering for him?
We don't know.
And the question that you have to ask yourself is would you just listen first?
Don't worry about how this fits in, but listen very carefully.
Again, I just spoke with Sean Atwood.
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Now, today, my friends, I love when someone comes up and says, Let me give you an alternative theory.
I listened to the DA, read the charges.
I love when they say aggravated murder.
Oh, an obstruction of justice and witness tampering because he spoke with somebody after the fact.
They took three to four different camera angles.
Three to four.
How many of you, my friends, saw this go up?
This this shirt.
How many of you saw a shirt move up and jerk up?
How many of you saw that?
How many of you saw a shirt kind of fly up?
It looked as though something happened.
People were saying immediately, well, what that was.
That was a uh how do I say that?
That that was a ricochet or a deflection off of the under the the uh armor that he was wearing.
Where people got this from, I have no idea, but they that's what they said.
That it was it was from this armor.
Okay, fair enough.
And they believed that.
Yes, they did.
That the bullet hit and went up, and that's this here.
That that many, many people learned more than I say that is an exit wound, an exit wound here.
Right here.
Right here.
This part right here.
That it went through and through deflections or bouncing or whatever came out this way.
Where is that round?
I don't know.
But then I say, wait a minute, the crack of the rifle over there, I think, I think comported and timed perfectly with this reaction.
That makes me wonder about it.
I just saw perhaps something that is I can't believe what I just wrote.
Does it matter that much?
You can't be serious.
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna leave this, let this go as some attempt at humor.
Does the fact of an additional shooter, a conspiracy, not the loan shooter, does it matter much?
We're gonna let that go and say, leave humor and comedy to the professionals.
I'm hoping that's comedy.
I hope that is.
I hope that was somebody saying, hey, look at me.
I'm gonna say something stupid.
And mission accomplished.
So what happens is that's the part that makes me wonder.
Now, as various folks, one in particular, there is a marine uh sniper who was trained.
Notices that a couple of things, let me try to explain this.
Charlie apparently was wearing an earpiece here.
This is an earpiece here.
And he was he had this device here of some sort.
And then later on, he had this underneath his shirt.
And there was a maybe a microphone here.
But the idea was that he had a lot of this wire underneath his shirt, and you could even see it.
At some point, you could see this fly out.
You could see the ear piece fly out and move.
Because this was connected underneath his shirt.
You could see the shirt move as this became taught and expanded and connected to the earpiece that for whatever reason flew off this one.
So that might explain it.
It's not that critical, but it gives you an idea.
But one of the most important things, as they looked at every conceivable angle, there's like four or five four or five different angles.
The one which is the most important was Charlie's looking this way.
It was an angle this way.
Because it showed what was behind him here.
Now imagine I'm looking here, but to my right in the back, I'm I'm Charlie facing the audience.
To my right and back are buildings, windows, buildings, and there's one little flash, one flash, one flash, or a reflection.
It could be muzzle fire.
It was just one frame.
And it was at or about the time when this happened.
When this reaction at that time it was suggested, or it is suggested, or it's being posited, POSIT.
It was being suggested, advanced, that maybe, maybe the reason for that is something a little different.
Maybe what we're seeing, maybe what's happening here is something different.
Maybe this is something indicating another shooter.
Now, if that is true, what questions would you ask?
This is when I get to tell who's really involved in this, who's good, who knows what they're doing.
What questions would you want to ask?
Not to debunk that, oh, maybe you want to debunk it, but what questions do you think are interesting regarding this?
That's the most important story.
What do you think is the most important?
What are the issues?
What are the stories?
What are those?
How do I say this?
What are those pieces of information which are critical for you to consider with all that is going on right now?
That's the issue.
The question is, as somebody laughingly suggested, what difference does it make?
So somebody actually asked that.
Ask that.
What difference does that make?
So we're going to pretend that that was legitimate.
Let me ask you, what difference do you think it makes, dear friend?
What?
What difference do you think it makes?
Tell me, dear friends.
Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me.
What difference does it make?
You heard today.
Imagine we are In trial.
And imagine, and by the way, this isn't in quote support of this fellow.
I have no feelings one way or another.
I mean, I hate the idea of the killer, is what's problem.
But, but, but, but.
And I know people get very upset because of that.
They always think that somehow you're you're your think that you're enjoying this, that you're supporting these people, that you're whatever it is.
I don't, I don't know why.
I'm not sure why, but in any event.
But what difference do you think it would make?
Imagine you're in court and you're representing him, and they say their whole case was that he was the loan shooter, he was the shooter, he was it, he was the shooter,
and that he acted alone, that he acted alone, and he was a part of this world, if you will, but he was, he was and you say, let me give you a counter-theory to this.
Let me show you a different theory.
Let me show you a different theory, which nobody's thought about before.
There was somebody else.
Now the question is, how would that work?
Would he know this?
If I told him, because I mean you you have to think, could he have been theoretically?
Could he have been involved in this thinking he was the lone person involved?
Thinking he was it, could could he could he have been the lone shooter, thinking he was the lone shooter, when in fact he wasn't?
Could he have been what you people use the term a patsy?
Could he have thought we're going to put you there?
You're going to catch the heat.
You're gonna get you're gonna catch the heat, and you're gonna be responsible for taking all of the responsibility of this.
You understand it?
Yes, I do.
You are got it.
You were the one, yes, I am, but in fact, the professional team is elsewhere, the professional.
Now, what most people do is they have to ask themselves, and this is where it gets into trouble.
Why would they do that?
And we get into this there, this uh question all the time.
Qui bono or qui prodest, who benefits, and they love to ask that question who in their right mind would benefit.
Why would anybody want to do this?
Why would anybody suggest this?
Why?
How does this work?
Now, let me explain a couple of things to you, which is important, very, very critical for you to understand and to grasp.
There is something that is not being talked about.
Alex Jones talked about it, Judge Napolitano talked about it, Tim Dillon talked about it.
Everybody and their mother talked about it, and that is the role and the aspect of Israel.
Have you heard this?
If you have not, you're not paying attention, and it goes something like this.
It is suspected.
I'll try to give you as many versions of this.
Some people suggest that Israel APAC and others, not really APAC, but Israel was responsible for the bulk of the monstrous amount of money that Charlie Kirk was handling.
150, 180 million a year.
I mean, this is 80 million.
Who knows?
This is bigger than anything.
So people are suggesting, and I'm giving you an a kind of an overview.
I'm giving you an overview of what's happening, but other people are suggesting that at one particular time, Charlie was more dutiful in portraying in advancing the Israeli line, so to speak.
Part of his prototypical conservative uh worldview, And that something happened.
Something happened.
Charlie was out and about.
Charlie was in Tampa for one of his talk turning points USA meetings.
He had was with Tucker Carlson.
There was Dave Smith.
There was a debate.
Dave Smith against the Zionist.
Tucker was exceedingly, exceedingly critical of not only Israel, but also Bill Ackman, the monster hedge fund the person responsible for basically removing gay, whatever her name was, the the uh the president of Harvard and others.
He was he was an absolute zealous Zionist, some would say, and that they were furious with this, furious, furious with Charlie, furious.
And according to Max Blumenthal, the argument is that even BB Netanyahu said, Charlie, I either I want to speak with you, and Charlie's feeling this compunction.
Maybe some would say too big for his britches.
Maybe, either, maybe he figured I'm going to finally, I'm gonna finally deal with this.
I'm finally going to address this.
Or maybe I just had enough, or maybe I don't need them.
Maybe I'm so big that I just don't need these people anymore.
Maybe I don't need BB or Israel or whatever.
Maybe I'm just gonna act on my own.
I'm just gonna act on my own.
I'm just going to be, I don't know what happened.
I know it was suggested that a lot of folks, a lot of folks were coming to the aid, if you will, or not the aid, but to the side, I should say, of Bibian.
And they were saying things, or excuse me, of uh of Charlie, and they're saying, why are you doing this?
Young people were saying, why why are you involved in this?
Why in the name of God are you involved in this?
Don't you understand that we and a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people were feeling this absolutely powerful feeling.
I hear things on a regular basis, I cannot believe what I'm hearing.
I heard a talk radio host say, seriously, say that it's good that it's good that um how do I say this?
It's good that um uh uh Israel finally finally handles Gaza and get sorry about that.
That they were saying it's good that that he gets the job done, get go in there and finish off, finish off Gaza, Palestinians.
I mean, after all, this is war.
Now, if I didn't know better, when I hear somebody say that today, I'm thinking, are you on the payroll?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Again, there's nothing illegal with this.
There's the climate payroll, there's the second amendment payroll, there's the big pharma payroll, loads of people on that one.
There are many, many payrolls.
Don't don't don't be unfair in pointing too much at Israel as though they're the only ones who've who've learned the mastery and the benefit of this thing called not propaganda, but the like, but in any event.
So the story is that Charlie was feeling not trepidatious, but also wondering, am I doing the right thing?
People are asking him, Charlie, are you are you really a Christian?
Are you so finally he said, I can't do this anymore.
According to Max Blumenthal and others, Bibi said, I want you to come to Israel.
We want to show you.
And he said, No, no.
And with that move, the largest, largest Conservative young movement in the United States without a question that they may or may not have funded before, may or may not have been funded indirectly, has now turned their back on him.
So people say this made folks furious.
There were suggestions that B.B. Netanyahu, when he was, I think it was Boris Johnson said that when he went to use the toilet, he left the listening device, supposedly.
They're suggesting that Israel left sting rays or surveillance equipment around the wine house.
But one of the things that our own Bill Casey, head of the CIA, was quite fond of saying was he reminds you when he used to go to different police places, he would put listening devices into couches and sofas and chairs with little needles.
So it's one of the things that spooks do, that people do.
You don't know how much we do.
So I'm remembering I don't get angry about this, I just accept it.
They're very, very vigorous, very, very aggressive in the pursuit of their particular claim.
Okay.
The argument then became that Charlie was worried, worried about his personal safety, worried about maybe he's gone.
He the point of no return.
Word has it also that President Trump was worried about his own safety, his own uh uh well-being.
And then Candace Owens.
Candace Owens, who has got the biggest mouth of anybody.
And people say, I love her bravery.
I think sometimes it's foolhardy.
Basically, after Charlie was dispatched, murdered, and after his wife is trying to salvage this organization that Charlie had worked so hard to put together over a period of time.
Candace is telling everybody, you don't understand Charlie told me this, Charlie was worried about this, Charlie did this, Charlie didn't like this one, Charlie.
And I'm thinking Erica might say, shut up.
You don't speak for Charlie.
I don't want you to speak for Charlie.
You're going to destroy us.
We're trying to maintain to resurrect, if you will, or not, or not, but recover.
And we don't need you making us a bigger target by virtue of what you're saying.
Stop doing this.
Stop saying this.
Stop.
But that's that Candace can't do that because Candace is brave.
She's got a big mouth.
She says whatever she wants, and she's angry.
And I think right now the focus should be, I think you all agree, the focus should be on people specifically who could help draw in these thousands of new young voters, new registrants, new participants, new registered voters, and change the complexion, change the face of the American electoral system.
Absolutely, I mean, absolutely.
Critical, critical.
So the issue then becomes, and this is even more important.
The issue then becomes, well, what happens now?
What happens for Charlie?
Well, a couple of things are.
There's some side issues, and I think my worst fear came about because I told you this is going to be the most important thing that we need to do is to focus, specific focus on what needs to be done to promote Charlie's message and to promote the uh the TP USA.
That's the most important.
Not this other stuff, but we're too late for that.
Stephen Miller and others are saying we're going to crush the left wing.
We're going to crush them.
I don't know what that means.
Pam Bondi, who embarrassed herself by saying that hate crimes are not protected, was it is so sad, so sad for the attorney general to say that.
I don't even, I don't know what to say.
I don't know what to say.
People are screaming, screaming, and I have, let's go after Antifa.
Now let me tell you what they're going to tell you about that.
People are going to say, Antifa's small potatoes.
Antifa's a bunch of nuts and brags, you know, people who wear uh rags and and helmets and fine.
If they're so small, this should be easy.
Don't turn your back on them.
I mean, I'm not saying they're they're the can be no crime family, but what I'm suggesting is don't turn your back on them.
Don't turn your back on them and don't just walk away from them.
It's very, very serious that you that you do something about them in the meantime.
You also have right now people who are, and it's delicious to see them screaming and yelling, how come I lost my job?
Because you're an idiot.
And now you know what it feels like.
Like we had to go through when we lost our jobs and our positions.
And we couldn't go to work and go on public transportation because you screamed and yelled about that stupid COVID thing.
Well, payback's a bitch, and now you're gonna feel it.
And I'm sorry, I'm petty, I'm vindictive.
Okay, fine.
You're also gonna see these Discord folks who are gonna say, what exactly did Charlie?
Was this rifle even fired?
We don't know anything.
Also, up sorry, Charlie.
Um, Tyler, when Tyler was a rain today, did you see his affect?
He looks, you'll love this one, MK Ultra-esque, very flat, flat affect, even like he's like he's I don't know what the word is kind of sedated, maybe through some type of anziolytic or whatever.
I don't know.
But it's very, very interesting.
Very, very interesting.
And all of these things I found to be so fascinating to me because there's so many moving pieces.
But going back to what I thought.
How do we know?
What about this scenario?
What if Tyler never shot anybody?
What if he says, I never got a round off?
Or I did get a round off, but you're telling me somebody else is there, yeah.
You're gonna be the fall guy.
And when you bring this up, you're gonna be told you're a conspiracy theorist, you're weird, you're sick, you're strange.
There's something wrong with you.
You always complicate things.
You just can't leave well enough alone.
You've always got to go in there and mix it up with your lunacy, because that's what you do.
Okay, let him say that.
But there's so much stuff that is out there, my friends.
So much stuff.
And also, there is a fight to see who wins the heart and minds of TP USA.
Is it Ben Shapiro?
Oh, dear God, no.
For obvious reasons.
And also, I hate to say this, turning point is a Christian organization.
I wouldn't be the right person to run that because my I'm not religious.
And one of the things I think one of the core values, one of the core aspects of this is that you have to have enjoy a certain degree of religiosity, but also to be Christian.
And Ben Shapiro wouldn't.
Uh, the notion of Nick Fuentes is no, he would cause too much distraction.
A groper in there, whatever it is.
But focus on what's happening right now.
Because two things happen.
Number one, the explosion of this this love, the explosion of love for Charlie is something that I didn't think, I don't think anybody even imagine, ever even imagine or could have anticipated.
That's one thing.
And next, if it is shown, if it is showed, that somehow there is indeed a an Israeli connection.
And let me say this right now.
I don't have any indication of Italy, Israel, India, um, Spain, or Portugal, or anybody, or the Klan or the mob being involved in this.
Not that it couldn't be.
I just haven't heard anything.
I just it just happened.
But the question is simply this what will happen next.
Sparky says, what if TPUSA is forced to have Ben Shapiro take Charlie Kirk's place instead of Erica Kirk?
Imagine that.
Well, Sparky, that would add uh that would kill recruitment, it would destroy the organization.
But then again, if indeed Israel, as some people are suggested, actually funds that, I think they would have jurisdiction to call the shots.
Our grandchildren might learn the truth later.
Maybe.
Do you know the truth about JFK?
Nope.
What about Bobby Kennedy?
Nope.
You don't have any nope.
Isn't that something how that works?
It's fascinating, is it not?
So what I want you to do is I want you to think about this, and I want you to keep, but research, research everything.
Spend all the time that you have, all the time that's available, doing everything that you need to research this.
These are the questions you have to ask.
These are critical questions.
You have to ask.
So let me just tell you something.
I am going to be on tonight.
Mrs. L tonight, think of her as my, what would you call yourself?
My executive liaison.
She's going to be representing, of course, that August organization, Lynn's Warriors.
She'll be on WABC tonight from at 1 a.m.
E.T., tune in.
She is a barn burner.
She is spunky.
Anyway, that's tonight at 1 a.m.
In addition, that's that.
Also, I'm gonna be on from one to five talking about this as well.
We've got some surprise guests coming up on the WABC channel, which people want to be.
I want you to scour everything.
I want you to want you to do me a favor and turn cable news off.
You are never going to learn anywhere remotely.
Truthful what cable news.
By the way, the word also is a rumor is that ABC is going to be hiring influencers versus journalists and the like.
The day of going to to be the Mary Richards to work at a TV network to be a reporter, it's over with.
It's dead.
It's finished.
It's through.
Done.
Done, I say.
Done.
Done like you cannot believe.
Oh, yes.
Oh yes.
Don't forget to follow Mrs. L at Lynn's Warriors.
Don't forget to follow here right now, Lionel Nation.
And also, our sister, our joint, if you will, our other channel, Lionel Legal, I've got brand new, brand new drops on that.
In the most important and most critical story I think anybody's ever seen.
This is this has so many moving parts.
It is the most fascinating story there is.
Bar not.
I've never seen anything like this.
Anything.
And uh Sparky says, by the way, says Israel was a huge funder of TPUSA.
That's what I said.
That's why they got bent out of shape when Kirk stopped talking, taking their money.
That's what I said.
Now, do you think they went so far as to have him dispatched?
There's no evidence of that.
None.
But that doesn't mean it's impossible.
That doesn't mean that Charlie wasn't scared.
But right now there's no evidence.
The only evidence that we have, we'll see, because if the only evidence that is out there regarding potential alternative ballistic uh theories as well, if they're never adduced or recognized in court, they'll just go the way of you know, seed oil hysteria, whatever.
I I don't know.
But we'll know the truth.
We'll know the truth.
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Until then, remember the monkey's dead.
Oh, oh, and then later on tonight, at about 9.15, 9.30, the Sean Atwood performance that I just had with him.
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