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July 30, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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SUBPOENAED: Maxwell Demands Immunity or She’ll Plead the Fifth!
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All right.
Let me see if I can do this one more time from the top.
And let's see if we can make some sense out of this.
Okay?
From the top.
It's funny how we need to teach, you know, Fifth Amendment 101.
Number one.
Ghillain Maxwell 20 years convicted.
All appeals are exhausted.
That's it.
All appeals are exhausted.
Make sense?
No more appeals.
20 years.
She had a trial, she had lawyers, the appellate court, that's it.
She's doing 20 years for the four or five cases involved with the people.
That's it.
Okay.
This was a 2022 or 2020, whatever it was.
She's been sitting there and nobody apparently has asked her anything.
I don't understand this.
I don't know what the Department of Justice does.
I don't know what anybody does.
I don't know.
I don't know if these people got their head up their ass.
I don't understand what any of this stuff is.
Why hasn't Les Wexner been interviewed about anything?
So again, let's go back.
Okay.
For some reason or another now, why now?
I don't know.
Maybe because of Elon Musk, maybe Pam Bondi.
Somebody brought up and said, we've got lists and files and this and that.
And we're going to release, we're going to release or bring to the public eye, the public inspection, the horrors of these cases.
Okay, so for the first time, people are saying, oh, you mean the Epstein case?
It's like, oh, Jesus.
So now she says, hey, this is good.
Maybe, maybe they're going to be interested.
And I would ask her, Ghelane, did you ever speak to the FBI ever?
Ever?
I don't know.
Did anybody want to know what you were saying?
Did you threaten anything?
Why are you still alive?
Because you made a deal?
I don't know.
Again, all these things.
But for whatever reason, now they're saying, we want you to come testify to us before Congress.
I don't know if it's physically there or whatever.
She said, I'm going to take the fifth unless and until my appeal before the Supreme Court goes through.
Kind of sort of makes sense, right?
The Supreme Court deal was the agreement that she thought was made between the Southern District of Florida and Epstein to forever waive, immunize, not charge him and all of his people.
Got it?
The question is, how does she bring a case?
How does she bring a claim to enforce an agreement he made?
She never signed an agreement with anybody.
She never agreed with Acosta, Alexander Acosta from the Southern District of Florida that they wouldn't charge her with anything.
He made the deal.
It was one of these deals that were, it wasn't a sweetheart deal.
They wanted this guy shot up.
Why they didn't quash the Palm Beach County case, I have no idea.
They would have said, oh, no, no, no, no.
You're not going to bring charges, state charges against him.
You got it?
He's an intel.
He's a higher up.
He's a muckety muck.
He's an intel above your pay grade.
Okay.
But for whatever reason, he said, okay, I'll do it.
And he went into.
I mean, it was so bad.
They should have not charged him.
And one of the reasons I think was big then was the fact that they got away with murder.
I mean, they just got away with murder.
They did whatever they wanted to do.
They didn't give a damn about you or this one or that.
They did whatever they wanted to do.
That's precisely what happened.
So now she says, listen, I got a case before the Supreme Court.
I don't think it's going to work.
I thought they already argued it or ruled on it.
But the idea is that theoretically, again, she has this weird kind of standing.
How does she bring a case against?
But she's basically saying, look, we'll go to the Supreme Court.
If they say that I don't have any immunity, by the way, it's a little late right now.
You've already been convicted.
Did you bring this up before?
See, I'm asking questions that make no sense to me.
But here's the bottom line.
Gillane, or who was it called?
Ghislaine, as some call him, ghizlaine in the membrane.
Listen, giz.
The person, the person who stands between you and freedom are as follows.
Number one, the Supreme Court, if they rule that somehow you were bound by this, by this immunity deal, okay, you dig this, if you were bound by this immunity deal.
And if that's true, they will just unravel everything that happened to you regarding your convictions.
That's a possibility.
Your other avenue is with Trump.
And if you're even thinking about mentioning Trump, you can forget it because the Congress can't do anything.
What can they do?
What can they do?
They can't overturn your conviction.
They can't do anything.
Why are you even talking to Congress?
I don't even know what this is about.
What is this?
Congress.
Now, I'll talk to the Supreme Court, maybe to perhaps have the conviction overturned, because she can argue that she fell under the protective mantle of this.
Why are you even talking to these people?
Plead the Fifth.
It's like, I don't want to talk to you about this.
None of this makes any sense.
None of this makes any sense.
Nothing from top to bottom.
I don't even know what to tell you.
I don't know.
They're still talking about these files and lists and I don't know.
I swear on my eyes, I don't understand how any of this happened.
What was this case?
What do people think they're going to get with these client lists?
There's no clients.
Epstein was not a pimp.
You might disagree, maybe figuratively.
He didn't have women in his stable.
What are you talking about?
I don't understand it.
I don't understand any of this.
I don't.
I don't understand how.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't understand how what you're supposed to do with this.
Let me give you an example.
Somebody comes forward and says, okay, here's a list.
All right.
Boom.
Here are the client lists.
Here's one list.
Hypothetically, I'm not saying this is true, but hypothetically.
Bill Gates.
Bill Gates, column one, column two, a bunch of names.
Column three, the particular acts, you know, zoophilia or God knows what, frotage, undenism, God knows what.
And when these people use their imaginations as to sexual objectification, they're great.
They're the ones that came up with the Pisgate deal, which nobody understands to this day.
I don't get it.
Do you?
Two Russian hookers relieve themselves on the percales of a bet.
I don't even know what the hell that's about.
Because theoretically, that's where Obama, whatever.
I don't know what that's supposed to be.
Anyway.
So, okay, Bill Gates, three women, let's say minors, activities, the dates.
Okay.
Here.
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do with that?
Take it.
Here's your list.
Take it.
What do you want?
What are you going to do with it?
Well, go ahead.
Here's your list.
I got a bunch of it.
I got 10 names, 15 names, 20 names.
Here, take it.
What are you going to do with it?
Tell me.
Well, you want to recharge this?
Somebody's 20 years old?
How are you going to prove this?
What are you going to do with this list?
Bill Gates, Les Wexner, Ehud Barak, Bill Richardson, whatever.
Whoever was in this list, in this client list, list of men who were involved in ruining the sanctity and the innocence.
Okay.
The witnesses, let's say the victims, the girls say, oh, I don't want to come forward.
You're going to go to trial now on this?
And you're bringing this up now for the first time?
You mean to tell me, you mean to tell me during the whole bevy of this, they never said, oh, we've got lists.
And by the by, I still want to think this.
You know, everybody still thinks this is Mossad.
They love this idea of Mossad.
Mossad.
Do you think Mossad would actually leave external hard drives lying around for 20 years collecting dust when the FBI finally came in and seized them and you've got X amount of terabytes?
None of this makes any sense.
I don't know what to tell you.
This was a per orgy fest where there may have been something documented.
There was no blackmailable material.
There's no compromising positions.
There's no honeypot.
There's no, I don't even know what this thing is.
What do you think you're going to do?
Forget Ghislaine.
You've got the girls there.
You had Virginia Juffre.
What do you need Ghillan for?
Hey, I was 15, 16.
This guy did this to me.
Hello?
What do you want?
I don't need her for anything.
Look what they did to Ghelane.
Remember, I'm sorry, Juffre or Virginia Roberts.
Remember, her only claim, one of her claims was about Alan Dershowitz.
And then she said, I made a mistake.
It's a miss.
You know what?
I misunderstanding, miscommunications.
Okay, whatever.
Fine.
She's the victim.
Bring these other victims.
You know, you sit there, put them in front of the, put it, forget Ghelane.
Put the victims in front of the Congress and say, go ahead.
Tell the world.
Who was it?
When you were 14, 15, whatever years old, tell the world what happened.
I don't need her for anything.
What good is it?
What is she?
Yep.
I was there and I saw it.
This is the victim.
Does any of this make any sense?
If you think any of it does, you're not paying attention.
It doesn't make any sense.
People are still talking about the witness lists, the client lists.
This is such a dog.
Elon is laughing his ass up.
He says, I can't believe it.
I said it.
And Trump says these things like, yeah, I wish you're well.
Remember that?
I wish her well.
He's so awkward.
He says these things.
I don't understand any of these.
Nobody still understands what Epstein did.
Epstein was, listen to me.
I live in New York City, the bullshit capital of the world.
I know people who all they want to do is they want to be in the fast lane.
They want to be invited to the best.
They want to be invited to the best parties.
The Hamptons.
We're going to Ryan, this and that.
We're going to Westchester.
We're going to.
They just love it.
Look at me.
I'm standing next to, oh, Seamus Tewilliger, CEO of, oh, for the love of God.
Look at me.
I'm somebody.
I'm somebody.
Hey, did you get the invitation to Epstein?
Who?
Jeffrey Epstein.
The Perv?
He may be a Perv, but everybody's going to that party.
Stephen Hawking.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
Stephanopoulos, Katie Couric, this and that, and Walter Cronkin.
Who knows?
I mean, it was Ethel Kennedy.
Well, I got to be involved in that.
Why?
Because I am an empty soul.
I must have my picture next.
This is before it can imagine before cell phones.
I must have my picture.
Look, I'm standing next to somebody.
We're going like this together.
Oh, look.
I'm standing next to Judge Janine.
Oh, there's, oh my God.
What the hell?
Excuse me.
Pardon me for that.
I forgot all about that.
Isn't that weird?
You know, let me turn off my reactions.
I haven't had one of those reactions in a long time.
Reaction.
Reactions.
Let me see.
It's interesting.
They're not turned off.
Very interesting.
Very interesting.
Huh.
There we go.
I turned it off.
Okay.
See, you don't understand what I'm saying.
This doesn't mean anything to you because you don't live in New York.
You don't know what I'm talking about.
These people just.
And when you have, when you're going on to the Hamptons or you're going on to Diddy's party, you're sh up in everything that moves and whatever.
And I hate to tell you this, but especially when it comes to Met Galas, when it comes to awards ceremonies and the like, having underage children, not children, but let's say maybe somebody looks, remember Brooke Shields?
Brooke Shields.
Come on, man.
You had taxi driver with, what was her name?
The one that.
Jody.
Jody Foster.
Remember Jody Foster?
You have Brooks.
you had people left their mind.
I could go down the list of names of it.
Look at DiCaprio's friends.
Look at the yachters.
Are you kidding me?
Forget Epstein.
They're all over the place.
They're all over the place.
They're still doing it.
They're still doing it now.
And if you really want, remember, if you're a pedo freak, as you would say, it's the wrong term, but that's okay.
You know who, you know where you would go?
Little leagues, Boy Scouts, choirs, anywhere where the boys are is a great Connie Francis saying.
You know what I mean?
That's exactly where you go.
So if you want to hang around these people, where would you go as well?
Well, you would go to models, models.
Oh my God.
They go and they scour Ukraine for some poor girl whose family doesn't make anything.
And you bring her over here and they keep her on cocaine and cigarettes.
This is in the 80s.
And then now they're doing a lot of surrogacy trafficking.
Oh, yeah.
Those Ukraine babies, blonde hair, blue eyes, that's top dollar, my friends.
You knew that, didn't you?
Of course you knew that because you're smart.
You know all about that.
All right?
Just like everybody knows all about this weird, these blood rituals.
You know how that thing goes.
Because there's this group of us out there, a part of us who are into this stuff.
They're living this medieval Harry Potter world or whatever, but I digress.
This is going on right now.
You go to some of these parties right now on somebody and you say, how old is she?
I don't know.
I ain't asking.
We're not talking toddlers, but when you see somebody who's ask yourself, here's a 19-year-old girl.
Does she look 19?
Yeah, you know, young and good shape.
Okay.
What about 18?
Well, you might as well.
Might as well.
It's the same thing.
What about 17?
Pretty much.
16.
Who's checking?
Who is checking?
Do you think anybody in the Hamptons or wherever is doing ID checks?
Answer me your question.
You'd be laughed out of town.
If you want to hang around with Leonardo DiCaprio, I just pick his name because he's notorious for having a bevy, a pastzle of nubile young sylphs, which is redundant.
If you said, hey, don't you think we should find at these age?
Well, you're a little paranoid, aren't you?
Don't you know who we are?
We do whatever we want.
I don't have to worry about that.
I'm Jeffrey Epstein.
I have a private jet.
Once we go out there in that island, and once we go into that little George Island or whatever it is, hell, I don't know what jurisdiction that is.
What?
Virgin Islands?
Who has jurisdiction over that?
I don't know.
I don't want to bring this up to you, but this is exactly what's happening.
And you're going to bring Delaney Maxwell in now to what?
Spill the beans?
After the fact, he's long gone.
He's dead.
Some of these women are in their 40s.
What are you kidding me?
It's an illusion.
It's a mirage.
It's a promise of some kind of, I don't know what it is, some kind of promise for justice.
There's no justice.
And you love that word, the P-E-D-O.
You love it.
It's like this.
And it means somebody who's attracted to...
You know what being attracted to adults is going?
I think it's teleo.
T-E-I-L-O-Filia.
No, T-E-T-E-I-L-I-O filia.
Like teleophilia means you're attracted.
You know what gerontophilia is?
Being attracted to older people.
It means you have an attraction, a pension, a pension.
You like tube socks and thick mustaches.
You like earrings and whatever.
It doesn't mean you're a predator.
It means that's what you find interesting.
And the people who are involved in the predation, most of them, a lot of them, are just selling.
They don't care who's who.
They'll sell endangered species, stolen gems, hot stuff, anything, stolen cars.
They will market and traffic in anything.
Anything.
This is going on all the time.
And you think all of a sudden you're going to bring Ghillain.
And she's, excuse me, what can you offer me, Senate?
Nothing or a house, nothing.
Can you get this thing reversed?
No.
Why am I talking to you?
I don't know.
I don't understand it.
I would have all my deals.
We're not going in front of, I'm not.
How am I supposed to be?
I don't want to let people know I'm even testifying.
She's got family, for God's sake.
She's got family.
What I would do is I would do this.
I would spill the beans, give the people you want, and then I would claim she has some kind of a disease, some kind of problem, some uterine, something or other.
And out of some kind of sense of compassion, we let her go.
And all done quietly.
And nobody would know anything because it's too busy because people are just right under their nose.
What happened?
I don't know.
But no, you're going to bring her to the house.
It doesn't make any sense.
Nothing.
This whole goddamn Trump administration doesn't make any sense.
They haven't arrested anybody.
Marjorie Taylor Greene.
See what she called.
Does she called Gaza a genocide?
Ooh.
Oh, man.
You see the A, check out the APAC trending in X today.
See, I can't explain this.
Most people I know have no freaking idea of what I'm even talking about.
They don't even know it.
They don't know.
It's like, wow, that's important.
Yes, that's very important.
This is cataclysmic.
This is shape-shifting.
This hasn't happened in the history of our country.
Is it about pedoes?
No, okay.
Woo-woo-woo-woo.
I know there are some people who get off talking about what they do to kids.
I know it.
Remember the case?
What was the case of those kids who were locked up in some house?
I know some people who are talking about, tell us again what happened.
No, I'm not going to tell you again what happened.
What's the matter with you?
Tell her, did they lock, did they chain them?
Huh?
Are you okay?
Yeah.
Tell me about it.
No, I'm not going to tell you.
This isn't fun.
This isn't, this is horrible.
There are people who get off on this.
And then there were these, these new, you know, your medieval types who love to, remember the time they gave you that bullshit story about how they were sending children through schifer robes and armoires.
What was that company again?
Yeah, Wafer.
It was nonsense.
It was the most ridiculous story they were telling us here that they were bringing people from the comfort across West Idaho.
Yoop, yoop.
And I'm, and I'm, and I'm going to mention something, and I've got some friend of mine who were so into this.
No, you don't understand you're into blood oaths and Satanism.
It's like, oh, for God's sakes.
Look, that may or may not happen, but don't, don't, remember, if you hear, if you hear hoof prints, don't think zebra.
Look, you know all this.
You know all this.
Okay?
You know, Epstein is over because of the length of time that has elapsed, the age of the victims, the death of the main guy.
What do you think you're going to find?
The list.
I'm going to find way to list.
What's this list you're talking about?
I don't know.
I'll keep talking about that goddamn list.
I got to find that list.
I got to find that list.
You got that list of them files, too.
They got files in the list where they got the flat manifest and they got the logs.
I got to see that list.
You got to give me that list.
What's in the list?
Hell, I don't know.
I just keep talking about it all the goddamn time.
Like, it means something.
I want the list.
Give me the list.
Come on.
You can do it.
Give me the list.
There ain't no list.
Got to be a list.
Come on.
Perp near drive me crazy.
Got to be a list.
Come on now.
Give me the list.
Give it to me.
Just let me read it.
Can I read it?
You want to read the list?
I do.
Okay, here it is.
Oh, my God.
I'm actually holding it.
It's the list.
Number one.
Whose name are we going to find on that?
Well, how many people are dead, half of them?
It don't matter.
Look at you.
Bill Clinton.
Let's just say.
Ooh, he's on the list.
You want to see?
Have you seen Bill Clinton lately?
He can't close his mouth.
He's walking around with his mouth hanging out all the time.
Have you seen him?
You know, Trump looks, God looks terrific.
You know, he's playing golf or whatever it is.
He's got that weird swing.
Jerome Powell's like 72.
He looks 80.
There's no list.
I mean, there's a list, but nobody's checking it twice.
It's over.
It's done.
And Trump opened this can of worm, this can of shit, with, have you seen Pam Bondi lately?
Anybody see her?
Anybody see Pam Bondi?
Anybody see that baby, Don?
I'm shaking to my coa.
Oh, Lordy, Jesus, I was shaking to my coa.
What's the matter, Don?
Oh, Jesus, no, I can't do that no more.
But you were a tough guy.
You were a New York City cop.
I know, I know, but I didn't know.
I'm just shaking me.
Look at Cash Potato.
He's the damn.
His eyes are bugging out.
His eyes are crossed and bugged out, goofy, and buggy.
Looks like Barney Google with the goo goo googly eyes.
Poor Bam, Bam, Bonnie walking around with a scratched cornea, hanging out bunch of binders and stuff.
Hell, she don't know what the hell's going on here.
We brought this shit up, too.
We don't know what's going on.
You know, I told you this, and I happened to catch a piece from Whitney Webb.
She's very interesting.
And she said something that I endorsed a while back, but I never really fleshed out the thought too much.
But there are people out there in the world.
There are people who probably are running the show, running the show in Hollywood, like Hollywood, D.C., like Pete Hexett.
Oh, come on.
See, Trump likes the people, you know, straight up.
He likes them people look like movie stars.
Hey, that's Pete Hex.
Oh, him dropping that fox nude.
Hey, Pete, look at Pete.
Oh, he's working out.
Oh, he's strong and isn't he?
He sure is.
Look at him working out with them people.
Dog on it, Pete.
One time he did it.
Took him a week to recover if he goes, geez, I can't do this.
But he did that.
You got Christy Noam.
Puts on that Barbie out there.
She's got that SWAT team Barbie look.
Yeah, she's out there.
DHS or some shit.
Hell, I don't know what it is.
That's old Christy Noam.
Then you got Tulsi Gabbard.
Oh, we love Tulsi Gabbard.
Love Tulsi Gabbard.
What does she say?
I don't know.
But she talks like this.
Hello.
Many people have wondered what exactly is the director of National Intelligence and why I talk like this and why I have a skunk stripe down my head like Yvonne de Carlo, like Lily Munster.
Why?
Like Cruella DeVille.
I don't know.
Didn't Maude have one of those two?
One of those streaks?
I don't know.
But I'm here and I'm going to, and now that I've told everybody that we're a big series of plans of insurrection on the part of Barack Obama and others, another investigation that will go nowhere.
Tulsi, why are you doing this?
Because I miss being in charge.
When they told me I could be the depart, the director of national intelligence, I thought I could go and do my thing, but I can't.
Drat.
So I've come out of the woodwork and I'm doing my own because I love it.
Yeah.
And people are going to go, I love Tulsa Gabbert.
I love Tulsa Gabbert.
I love her.
Why?
I just do.
I just do.
I just love her.
Just like y'all love that Candace Owens, don't you?
Oh, she's a firebrand, isn't she?
The way she's giving to that Bridgie Macron.
Huh?
She's tearing that up, isn't she?
You better believe it, buddy.
She is tearing that thing up.
The kingdom come.
Letting her rip.
Because you love that.
You just love people stirring the shit, don't you?
That's exactly right.
And that's where we are.
Just stirring the shit.
Will anything come of this?
Nope.
Nope.
That dog has hunted.
That ship has sailed.
That is it, my friend.
Edie Crowley says, we love you, Mr. Rail.
Well, Edie, we love you, darling.
And I mean that too.
So anyway, Edie was on Mrs. L's live today on Lynn's Warriors.
You better sign up right now for that.
Ooh, she's got all kinds of good stuff.
Lynn's Warriors.
Also, I did one on Lionel Legal.
I did one on Diddy and what Diddy has to do to get an appeal, an appeal pending, or rather a bond, I should say, pending his appeal.
That ain't going to happen, but I'll tell you what he's trying to do because Diddy wants to get out too, and Diddy's going crazy.
And Diddy better watch it because he's saying some stuff that might make him sound like he's a little bit kind of in the know regarding this.
So anyway, make sure that you're also subscribed here to Lionel Nation.
And let me thank you for you being with us right now.
I'm only going to tell you the truth.
I know you want to hear all these stuff about lists and client lists, but there's nothing, there's no here, here's a list.
What are you going to do with that?
I don't know.
You need victims, you need cases, you need prosecutors.
Nobody's going to bring this up again.
Nobody.
Nobody.
And why she's in the Congress?
I have no idea.
They can't do anything.
The one who's going to help her on is Donald Trump.
Now, Donald Trump Ghillain will say, I never saw Trump.
Will other people say that too?
I don't know.
You don't need Ghillain.
You need the victims.
We don't want her as a victim, kind of a slave master.
We want the victims to point to not Ghillain, but to other people they were forced to be with.
You got it?
Big names in the industry, big names in the world government, big names in big tech.
That's what you want.
But you're not going to hear that.
So why do we bother?
Okay?
Okay.
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Thank you so much for being a part of this.
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