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July 28, 2025 - Lionel Nation
26:11
COMMUTING MAXWELL = S*ICIDE: Trumpers WARN This Will Destroy MAGA
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Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, I want you to take it easy and I want you to listen to what I'm saying.
You are entering an area like the black hole of political disasters.
If you don't correct this immediately, it may be too late.
Now understand, let me just say this right off the bat.
I love you.
I love you.
I'm not one of these fair weather friends.
Believe me, I have too many scars and too much pain and I have suffered so, so, so directly from you.
It's not even remotely funny how I have been your indefatigable, your consistent defender from the get-go.
And now you're doing this?
What the hell's the matter?
This is an unforced error.
If you even think, think about commuting Delane's sentence, even think about it.
Because the public's not going to know pardon, commutation.
They don't even know what immunity or use immunity is.
Remember, Americans don't research anything.
They just hear immunity, pardoning, she's walking, they're not listening.
And you're going to love this.
You have to go to his mindless supporters, these people who are, I think they're paid or something.
They're like part of this, I don't know what you want to call it, this world of theirs where everything Trump does is brilliant and he's got a good reason for it.
And how I heard this one, that Trump's contemplating, contemplating commutation of sentence because 20 years was too much.
Too much for what?
And remember, people don't know what she's charged with.
They think she's charged with trafficking.
She wasn't, but it doesn't matter.
You are making a mistake that is inordinate.
This is a massive, colossal, unforced, self-destructive, owned goal, idiotic mistake.
Mr. President, I'm saying this again.
You know, I and everybody watching, we've supported you since day one.
We were MAGA before there was even MAGA, before it was cool, before it was a movement.
We've been dethroned, de-platformed.
We've been shelved, stovepiped, kicked off.
I mean, believe me, I'm saying this again.
I'm not a fair weather friend.
We defended you in the trenches, on the air, in court, online, and in rooms full of people who wanted your head on a pike.
And we, we lost friends.
We suffered through TDS, which was worse than COVID because there was no mask for this.
We lost friends and Thanksgivings and Christmases and you name it.
I don't even think he, I don't think, I really don't think he gets this.
And I know he has his instincts.
And I know he thinks that he can outthink and outmaneuver and outlast the entire corrupt swamp and machinery of the DC fetid sewer.
You know, 5D chest.
He thinks he's a genius.
He thinks he's smarter.
That what he does is touch his touch.
Can turn to magic.
That he can take and rub it and turn a turd into a brick of gold.
But this, this, what's happening now with Delaney Max?
Well, this is a disaster.
And it started with Pam Bondi, who opened her big mouth about files or lists on her desk and all that crap and Bongino.
And even Dan Bongino, who's like, oh, he's got the vapors.
Oh, I declare.
I've never seen anything as awful.
Who are these people?
This is a disaster, a slow-motion train wreck that started with this, I don't know, what would you call it, a soft glove treatment?
And then it ended with the Bondi fiasco?
Oh my God.
And now it's veering into something that is politically and totally and absolutely radioactive.
You're not walking into a buzz saw.
This is beyond it.
This is worse.
And what's even weirder is that the Democrats are kind of sitting back and saying, let it go, let it go.
They're watching it.
They're letting you do all the work, all the heavy lifting.
Now, even, Mr. President, if you're even flirting with the idea of commuting Ghelane Maxwell's sentence, you will not just blow up your base.
You will invite the one scandal.
The one scandal you won't be able to walk away from because it's low-hanging fruit, because it involves sex and sex trafficking and Ghelane and Epstein and whether you're on it because I don't care.
First of all, there is no list.
There is no list.
There was no black book.
This is a limited hangout.
You're saying there's no list.
That's not it.
Are you telling me, sir, that from the time when Epstein was in his glory, when he was just rocking and rolling?
And before there was, look, I never thought there was anything involving Trump and kids.
Did you ever, ever, seriously?
Come on, kids?
No.
Now, could there have been an underage one here and there?
I don't know.
I know technically there's no excuse, but seriously.
Have you ever in your life, maybe, maybe not, maybe, maybe you didn't have to, asked for a driver's license before you had a massage or whatever?
I'm not excusing this.
You know, but being hanging around in a white van or an elementary school playground is one thing.
This is different.
And if you don't understand the difference, I can't help you.
But there was a time when everybody was freaky, way before Trump was, before he was even thinking about being president, when he was just being Donald Trump, when it was, you know, when things were groovy, when this guy was, when everybody, when you could do whatever you want with impunity.
But wait, wait, wait.
Let's still get ahead of the game here.
Let's go back.
Let's go to day one.
The mistake was Pam Bondi.
Now, if Pam Bondi was told to do this, you should fire the person who told her to do it.
If she did this on her own, she should be fired as well.
This was the first, again, unforced error.
She was supposed to lead the charge.
Instead, she's acting like some kind of firewall or something.
She showed up with pomp and flash and made all the right noises about the transparency because you love people who are camera ready.
You know it.
I know it.
Might be one of the reasons for your downfall.
You love people who are like, hey, look at me.
I'm on Fox News.
You have this Fox News thing, which drives me crazy.
And then there was, remember, then there was silence.
She comes in.
She's quiet.
No subpoenas, no pressure in the FBI, no serious digging into the sealed or unsealed Epstein files.
You opened up a can of worms.
Again, if somebody told her, they should be fired.
If she did it on her own, the binders, what was that?
And then Cash Patel, who always looks like he's shocked, Buggy Patel, he just looks like he's seen the worst thing in the world.
Like he's watched an autopsy for the first time of a close relative.
He's always shocked.
And Dan Bean, Dan Beano, Bongino, who's trying to bounce Mr. Tough a bit, he just can't stand being out of the limelight.
And who benefits from most of the action?
Who?
Who?
Ghana Maxwell.
Her lawyers probably came to her and said, you're not going to believe this.
Are you seeing what's happening?
These people are imploding.
My God, you're going to get out.
Why?
I don't know.
Well, what happened to?
I don't know.
They knew all this.
Somebody knows everything.
And they're going to commute her.
And I told you this.
They're going to commute her sentence.
They're going to send her maybe to the UK, where she's from.
Her first concern, believe it or not, was just her family.
That was the main consideration.
She'll get to keep the billions and some cayman island account for keeping her mouth shut.
She's walking.
And nothing that you do to explain this.
No, nothing to see.
Hear speeches.
No.
Well, let me explain to you.
Use immunity.
No.
Why are you going and speaking to her now?
She has nothing to say.
Nothing.
Why are you meeting with her?
We had a good meeting with her.
President's lawyer meeting.
She was granted use immunity.
There's two kinds, use immunity and transactional immunity.
Use immunity says, you can talk to us, but we can't use anything that you say against us in a court of law.
Makes sense, right?
Makes sense.
Who would want to give a...
Now, transactional immunity, that was the old days.
That's where I can't prosecute you at all for anything involving Epstein.
They didn't do this.
But this thing with Pam Bonnie, it made no sense at the time, and now it looks even weirder.
Pam Bondi had no real appetite for investigation.
And her proximity to Mar-a-Lago and all this made even more questions.
And you're going to find her association with Susie Wiles and the battle.
Listen, she's a good person, Pam Bonnie.
She's a good.
She's out of her league.
You knew this and I knew this.
Half of the team is out of their league.
So Ghelane's names game, why now?
Why now?
Now we're supposed to expect, or expect brother to believe, that after years of silence, Ghelane Maxwell is suddenly, suddenly going to start naming names or is suddenly asked to give names, that after surviving trial and prison and total global infamy, she just happens to be ready to cooperate or she just happens to be questioned now?
Why now?
Where was this cooperation when it could have helped?
Prosecutors build cases where names were needed.
Where?
Where were the names when the victims begged for justice?
There's like a thousand victims.
Why didn't her defense team include names of the brokers?
Why?
Why were these immunity deals not made then?
And we can go through the names.
The names that you're going to find out over and over again, these names that came up.
Why?
And what happens?
And watch what they say now.
Watch the guy to watch who's always fun is Dershowitz because he never knows what to say.
Dershowitz thinks he's more bulletproof than Trump is.
Dershowitz thinks I'm just a genius.
Anytime I open my mouth, people are afraid of me and I can say whatever I want.
His involvement is not being suggested, at least because Virginia Duffrey, who now, by the way, went, and nobody even followed that.
Does that look weird to you?
She's done.
She's finished.
He's done.
So he's not any part of the accused group.
But his involvement is the lawyer.
And I've seen this.
I've seen, because they use words like, I've seen the documents and they're redacted or they're hidden.
They're frozen or they're sealed.
And we've got words like list, documents, files.
We have a desk.
Maybe it wasn't a desk.
Maybe it was a card table.
Maybe it was a...
I don't know.
Well, it wasn't a list.
It was stupid.
We're beyond this.
And then every time, every time, every time Dershowitz said something, because he's got to be in the news.
I'm the expert.
I'm the genius.
I know everything.
I know everybody.
I represent everybody.
Jesus Christ, I represented him, everybody, Muhammad Gandhi.
I'm the greatest lawyer.
It just stirs the pot.
Do you think somebody would say, shut up?
And Pam Bonnie, where is she?
How does she survive this?
And the Democrats are quiet.
You see, this tragedy, the tragedy here, the public thinks the government was chasing Epstein's network.
They weren't.
They locked up Maxwell and closed the book.
That was it.
They left her in prison, like some loose end, some oops, hoping nobody would think about it, people would forget.
If she's suddenly giving up names, it doesn't mean she had a change of heart.
It means that somebody finally asked the damn questions in the first place.
Or worse, or worse, it's strategic theater to set the stage for some kind of commutation.
And I'm telling you, this is not going to end with this.
And they are going to go after Trump.
All he had to do was just keep his mouth shut and just say, look, that was before me.
I don't know what to tell you.
Pam Bundy, we're going to get to the bottom of this and just move on.
Because the public is a bunch of little children who are crying.
And all I got to do is shake the keys and just move on.
Now, this business is about limited immunity.
Most people still don't understand this setup.
Look, most Americans, and it's not their fault, they don't really understand the idea of use immunity, limited immunity, and how it means and what it means in the context of Maxwell.
Helene Maxwell has likely been offered use immunity, narrow protection if she provides testimony in tightly defined circumstances, or if she answers questions.
Now, who records those questions?
Who has those questions?
Who has the information?
Where will this be?
Where will the files or the documents or the lists or whatever be from the questions asked?
Who was inquired upon?
Was she flat out asked?
Did, imagine this question.
Was President Trump involved in this at all?
Did you see him involved in this at all?
Do you ever, if she says no, no, no, no, no, no, no, great.
Because remember, it's their show.
The public has no right, unless there's some kind of a continued civil suit against the president this time, which is, again, with these people, you can't rule anything out.
You see, here's the thing.
It doesn't mean she's fully cooperating.
It does not mean that she's coming clean.
It doesn't mean that, I don't know what people think it means.
And it certainly doesn't mean that she's facing real consequences if her cooperation turns out to be self-serving fluff, as long as it's not a lie.
But either way, it doesn't matter.
Because who's asking the questions?
Trump's lawyer is asking the question.
Who is paying attention?
Her lawyer.
The man who's going to commute the sentence.
Listen to what I'm saying to you.
Listen to what I'm saying.
The man who is going to commute the sentence is asking her questions.
What do you think the likelihood of her nailing him, saying, you did it.
It was you.
I saw you with doot, doot doot, are you kidding me?
Well, thank you.
Forget the commutation.
What are you going to do?
Go on TV and say, well, the real reason why the commutation wasn't allowed was because I implicated her.
You sure you want to do that?
So what do you think?
She's going to say everything and anything to get out of prison.
That's the way it goes.
And the thing she doesn't say, the thing you don't say ever is to implicate the president, especially if he was involved.
Now, I'm not saying yes, but I don't know what involved is.
Look, you and I don't know anything about this.
All right?
Let's be honest.
We don't know anything about this.
I will never, ever, ever intuitively believe that the president, no matter how weird he is, no matter what he said regarding Ivanka or whatever.
He said stuff on Howard Stern.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know there's pictures of him with Epstein in there dancing.
He's got these weird kind of like David Fairey paste on brows.
Isn't that weird?
You look weird.
He's dancing.
Okay, fine.
It was a different time then.
Don't tell me that when somebody's immersed in this sick world, when everybody, and I mean everybody in Hollywood and New York wanted to be a part and party, they were about, they were orgies, not the president, but it was a different time then.
He wasn't a president.
He's a private citizen.
Okay?
And if you want to go after, you know, real freak offs, not only would Hollywood, Washington, Congress, don't play this naive business.
You know this, I know this, we all know this, for the love of God.
But that's not what the president is going to say.
Let me tell you what happens.
Number one, Ghelaine Maxwell, no matter what happens, this thing, if he commutes the sentence, that's it.
That's it?
Now what he's got to do is he's got to say, he didn't commute the sentence for Chauvin, the federal sentence, remember that?
I don't believe so, right?
No, with George Floyd and all that stuff.
He did the right thing in a lot of respects.
But he said, look, the whole idea is a commutation business is the most critical part.
And what he, all of a sudden, he's got to explain why is it, why is it that he has.
See, I want to make sure of this.
Hang on.
Always do this.
See, ChatGPT.
Did the officer who was responsible, did, hang on a minute, did, let me see here.
Did the officer who was involved in the alleged choking death of George Floyd, was his federal sentence commuted or was he pardoned?
Now, this is what I do all the time.
This is my chat GPT.
Whenever I ask, whenever I even doubt for a second anything, I always look it up.
It says, as of now, the former Derek Chauvin, who has not had his federal sentence, commuted or pardoned.
Didn't even do that.
See, I would have done this.
I would have done this.
Realize that in Derek Chauvin's case, see, always just always check.
There's no reason for you not to know this.
You should do your own news summaries.
In any event, it would have been moot for all practical purposes because he's still the federal judge.
But not even that, but Ghillain Maxwell, who basically was found guilty by a jury.
Don't look at him.
Look at the jury.
The jury said, we were there.
We heard her.
We think she.
And never talk about, well, what's fair, what's not fair.
Your job, one of these days, pardons are going to be just absolutely just eliminated.
Eliminated because that's not the role of the pardon.
The pardon is not to go back and say, you know, I don't think.
The pardon was at the time of the beginning of the country when the whiskey rebellion, when George Washington, it was necessary when there was this transitional, but that's another story.
That's another issue completely.
Mr. President, look at me, sir.
Back away from this.
Don't talk about this.
Tell everybody in your office, anybody who mentions Galaine Maxwell, you're fired.
Do not go on Fox.
Nobody goes on Fox.
No more Fox News.
I don't know what this Fox pipeline is.
What are you doing, sir?
They don't need you.
They're doing fire.
Let them report.
Let them report.
Fox looks like your own personal, what are they, agents?
No, no, no, no, sir.
No.
You're making the biggest mistake of your life.
Listen to what I'm saying.
You've gone this far.
We are underworld.
This is going to be the most incredibly important presidency term in the history.
Don't be sidelined by these stupid little things.
I'm not going to say this is your Watergate, but Richard Nixon's one of the greatest presidents ever, his entire legacy, his entire legacy is ruined by that, by the way, that Intel trap.
Anyway, Mr. President, we love you.
Back off this.
Back off.
Don't even think about it because the country is not going to know commutation versus pardon.
Don't.
Get away from it.
It's radioactive.
Drop it.
They'll forget it.
They'll forget it.
Talk about golf.
Talk about this.
Talk about the New York race.
Talk about anything, anything.
Talk about football.
Any, anything.
America has a three-day attention span.
They'll forget all about Gummy.
They'll say, you know what?
We looked at it, did the right thing.
And, you know, we figured out the jury was there.
They were there.
We weren't.
They knew what to do.
The justice has spoken.
She's had her appeals.
That's it.
And here's the best part.
If she does say, wait a minute, I want to talk.
He was there.
He was there.
Then Trump turns around and says, of course she's going to say that.
Why?
Because she's looking at 20 years.
Wouldn't you?
Look, I gave her a chance.
We want to make sure we're doing the right thing, especially in the case of this particular notoriety.
I took my, I sent my lawyer there.
We listened to him, or the DOJ lawyer, and there was nothing there.
So whatever she said, you could say, look, of course she's going to say that.
What are you going to do?
This is 27 years.
Half these people are dead or don't want to be that way or have already settled.
Who's coming forward?
Go ahead, Ghelane.
Go ahead.
You're the DOJ.
You're in charge.
You can't do anything.
You think somebody would say, that's enough?
Do your time.
85%.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Because you see, Ghelane, it's not necessarily the president I'm worried about.
It's not necessarily about something happening to you via the president.
It's some Trump supporter who doesn't like what you're doing in the first place.
That's a big deal.
That's a huge, huge, huge storyline.
Big.
You got to remember this.
There's a lot of white hats and black hats.
All kinds of things can happen.
Believe me, when you're in any kind of federal...
Remember that one?
See, the dark arts, the black arts, the poisoning?
Oh yeah.
Without anybody, without anybody giving the official order, they can just, you can give somebody a look like, that's it?
Got it, boss.
You could serve somebody food all day long.
Test it, nothing's wrong with it.
But there's something in there when mixed with the adjuvant or the cofactor or whatever it is, it works together synergistically in a kind of a binary thing.
And guess what?
It has happened.
You know it.
I know it.
We all know it.
For the love of God, Ghelane, don't push this.
Don't push this.
What they can do is maybe some type of, maybe you can get sick.
What I mean by that is there might be some kind of, you can go and appeal under the, some kind of a heart, hardship, something other than that.
Something that does not involve the direct commutation of the sentence.
Whatever.
That's fine.
But Mr. President, you have stepped in right now and it all started with Pam Bondi just absolutely.
The binders?
I will never understand it.
There he is in White House.
You got cat turd and this one's there and lips of TikToks.
They go, by the way, here's a copy of the home.
Here's the swag back.
Oh, one more thing.
Here's some binders.
We went to Kinko's, in FatX, we had to make.
What is this?
I don't know.
It's a binder that has everything we've already known.
This is so incomprehensibly stupid, it shocks me to my core.
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I don't even remember.
I'm an Independent.
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It's the way I be.
It's the way I roll.
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