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| One of the most fascinating subjects, but one of the most boring discussions, is anything involving the Middle East or Israel. | |
| Let me say this again. | |
| This subject is fascinating. | |
| Israel, Palestine, Gaza. | |
| It's fascinating. | |
| The history, the Balfour Declaration, the Nakba, it's fascinating. | |
| The discussions are either this or this. | |
| That's it. | |
| No angiogenesis of ideas. | |
| No, well, no. | |
| This or this. | |
| And you figure out what this or this means. | |
| This is where we are right now. | |
| This is where we are. | |
| And it's, it's, there is no room for, well, let's talk about this. | |
| I understand. | |
| No, no. | |
| It's either you, you have to be either 100% this or this. | |
| And I'll let you decide again what this or this means. | |
| So recently there was this Douglas Murray and that, oh, that Smith feller or whatever was on with Joe Rogan. | |
| And Douglas, and it was boring. | |
| Per usual. | |
| But, this is a very interesting thing. | |
| Douglas Murray was asking, had a skeptical eye on how Joe was handling this thing. | |
| And Douglas Murray is, and I hate to use this, pro-Israel. | |
| See, that doesn't even say it. | |
| Pro-Israel. | |
| Pro-Israel. | |
| Pro-Netanyahu, pro... | |
| I don't even know what it is. | |
| Pro-Israel, the state, the country of Israel, the people of Israel, that's one thing. | |
| To be pro-Semitic, that's one thing. | |
| Even the words don't apply. | |
| But anyway, you know what I'm saying. | |
| So, Joe Rogan doesn't owe Douglas Murray or, what people are going to be saying, AIPAC. | |
| Anything. | |
| And what they're going to be saying, so that you know this, they're saying that Joe Rogan may have Either a beef with or may not be necessarily as interested in providing a kind of a pro-Israel take. | |
| But others will say, yeah, but Murray and these others are basically AIPAC propagandists. | |
| That's unfair too because that's like saying you can't have an independent view that is pro, let's say, Netanyahu without AIPAC subsidizing it. | |
| I've always believed, for example, in the Second Amendment. | |
| And when I talked about this, people said, oh, you're a pro-NRA. | |
| You're a gun lobby person. | |
| They say, no, I'm not a gun lobby person. | |
| You see where we get into this? | |
| This is why this subject is just... | |
| But anyway. | |
| So let's set the record straight. | |
| Joe Rogan is not a news network. | |
| And this may come as a shock. | |
| It may come as a shock to you. | |
| But he doesn't owe anybody anything. | |
| Nothing. | |
| Alright? | |
| Fox News doesn't have to put anybody on either. | |
| What is this? | |
| North Korea? | |
| He's not a government agency. | |
| He's not a mouthpiece for foreign policy narratives. | |
| He's an independent podcaster with a free-thinking platform that's built on a long-form, honest discussion, not curated propaganda. | |
| And whatever he wants to believe in, UFO. | |
| Do you have the anti-UFO position? | |
| Do you have the... | |
| Well, he's wondering how did they build the pyramids? | |
| Could it have been from alien forces? | |
| Do you have the anti-alien forces? | |
| This is ridiculous. | |
| This is the fairness doctrine. | |
| If Douglas Murray or anybody wants to have 100% Israel or pro-Hamas or pro-Gaza or pro-whatever, fine! | |
| So when Douglas Murray, the ever... | |
| Polish British intellectual turned I don't want to say Israel apologist because a lot of people he's called that. | |
| Again, I'm very sensitive to that because that's like saying you can't independently be on the side of Israel without you being an AIPAC person. | |
| And by the way, if the NRA went along and said, could we pay you? | |
| To say that which you say anyway? | |
| Absolutely! | |
| I'll take it. | |
| It doesn't change my opinion. | |
| It may fortify it. | |
| Who knows? | |
| But in any event. | |
| So he was scolding Rogan for not having enough Israeli voices. | |
| And we have to ask the question, who appointed Douglas Murray to content police? | |
| Now, he did it in a very, very nice way, and I understand this. | |
| Rogan doesn't owe any airtime to any government. | |
| United States, Israeli, British, Palestinian, anything. | |
| Foreign, domestic. | |
| He doesn't serve the Knesset. | |
| He doesn't serve DNC or the RNC. | |
| He doesn't do any of that stuff. | |
| The Likud Party or anybody. | |
| Any alphabet, intel agency, nobody. | |
| What he does create is a rare space where real conversations happen, sometimes unfiltered, without marching orders from legacy media, or lobbying firms, or think tanks in Washington. | |
| And that's why I think he's successful, one of the many reasons. | |
| That's why people trust him more than CNN, MSDNC, and yes, even Douglas Murray. | |
| Okay? | |
| Fine. | |
| Which is what you're entitled to. | |
| Now, many people are suggesting, see, they'll tell you, see, Douglas Murray is not just some concerned spectator. | |
| His obsession with defending Israel. | |
| I love this. | |
| Why does he have an obsession? | |
| Do I have an obsession with anything? | |
| But they say, he's just another one of these, and this is anti-Semitism, but it's unfair. | |
| He's absolutely obsessed with defending Israel. | |
| But what if somebody's obsessed with defending Palestine? | |
| That's different. | |
| That's okay. | |
| And he's quick to accuse others of bias, of course, of silence, of imbalance. | |
| Yet, never anybody stops to question the stench, if you will, of one-sided advocacy trailing behind appearances. | |
| And what I'm saying is, I know what he's going to say. | |
| Again, I think we need to get back to this. | |
| I think we need, when you have Norman Finkelstein, when you have anybody, I know what they're going to say. | |
| And the question people say is, is Douglas Murray being paid by AIPAC? | |
| Is he some show? | |
| I don't know if anybody knows. | |
| I don't even know if it's relevant. | |
| Because nobody will ever ask you the contrary. | |
| You see, this is the part that I think is critical. | |
| And this is what I want people to understand. | |
| I want to live in a country where you can come out and be... | |
| You can believe in anything you want. | |
| There are people that I know who are able sometimes to compartmentalize a belief. | |
| And they will say, for example, How can you countenance or agree or tolerate the innocent slaughter of Gazans or Palestinians? | |
| How can you allow this? | |
| The other side will say, how can you sit back and countenance and agree and go along with what happened on October the 7th? | |
| Why are you an apologist for Hamas? | |
| Don't you understand? | |
| And then back and forth. | |
| That's not, I'm not an apologist for Hamas. | |
| Well, I'm not an apologist for Israel. | |
| Yes, you are. | |
| No, I'm not. | |
| You're being paid by AIPAC. | |
| That's the new thing. | |
| There are two words that obfuscate and confuse the discussion. | |
| AIPAC and Zionism. | |
| When you use those terms, I'm not saying that they're not relevant, but as you know, our penchant And predisposition and proclivity for short-cutting terms, it gets very, very dangerous. | |
| Once you get into this, we say, my side says woke too much. | |
| Oop, there's that thumb thing. | |
| I don't know where that's from. | |
| We say woke. | |
| They'll say far right. | |
| They even use the word disgraced. | |
| You can't use the word Anthony Weiner without saying disgraced, former congressman. | |
| Disgraced. | |
| We get into these words. | |
| And when we do this, whether it's Zionism, whether it's AIPAC, whether it's... | |
| How do we say this? | |
| There's... | |
| Oh, oh, oh! | |
| Anti-Semitic. | |
| How can I forget that? | |
| That one's been thrown around half of the time because, well, you're a, you know, Douglas, you're an Apex show. | |
| Well, you're an anti-Semite. | |
| Wait a minute. | |
| Meanwhile, nobody's talking about what's actually going on. | |
| So, going back to what I originally said about this thing, Joe Rogan does not owe anybody anything. | |
| Period. | |
| And if Joe Rogan, if you wouldn't ask Katie Halper or Or Norman Finkelstein, or Max Blumenthal, or Aaron Monte. | |
| How come you don't have any pro, if you will, members of the Likud party? | |
| Well, they might say, well, we tried, but nobody would come on. | |
| But the question is unfair, because you don't have to. | |
| You don't have to have anybody on. | |
| I don't understand this. | |
| It's like when people would say, you know, I'm watching Fox News. | |
| I don't see enough people of color on. | |
| We're getting into that again. | |
| I guess what I'm trying to say, in a very, very matter-of-fact way, and I myself have always been, I've been accused of, I'm either a conspiracy theorist, or I'm a Trumper, or some right-winger, far-right. | |
| I could sit down. | |
| And talk with either side of virtually any topic and be able to argue their point. | |
| Maybe it's the lawyer in me. | |
| I could go into a Douglas Murray group, talk with his people, and I'm not saying not mock them, not necessarily agree with either one, but I could say, I understand exactly what you're saying. | |
| And they will listen to me and they'll say, he knows exactly what we're saying. | |
| And no, I don't think they're crazy or evil or murderous. | |
| I go across the hall and speak to a Finkelstein group, and they will understand 100%. | |
| And I will say exactly what they're saying. | |
| And they'll say, that's precisely it. | |
| You understand. | |
| Well, I have a hybrid understanding. | |
| I have a hybrid, if you will, kind of a composite understanding. | |
| The thing about it, though, is that you have to ask yourself, what is it that I'm doing? | |
| Do I owe anybody some duality of opinion? | |
| No. | |
| They did this years ago for those of us in the business of talk radio when they wouldn't have the fairness doctrine. | |
| They said that we had to stop what we were doing to have somebody from the other side. | |
| What was the other side? | |
| So the question is, I want to say this. | |
| Good for Douglas Murray. | |
| Good for everybody else. | |
| Good for Finkelstein and Max Blumenthal and whoever it is. | |
| But Joe Rogan owes nothing to anyone. | |
| Nothing. | |
| If he wants to have 100% pro or anti-Israel, whatever that means, that's up to him. | |
| It's up to him. | |
| He's not a news organization, and even if he was, he doesn't have to give both sides, if anything. | |
| Is that biased? | |
| Maybe. | |
| But I guarantee you, nobody who ever agrees with what you're saying ever calls you biased. | |
| Bias is always the term that the other side uses to dispel the legitimacy or the veracity or the accuracy of somebody they don't like. | |
| Okay? | |
| Okay. | |
| Now, what do you think? | |
| This is a great topic. | |
| What do you think? | |