Lionel Nation - Why Is Douglas Murray DEMANDING Joe Rogan Push Pro-Israeli Points? Aired: 2025-04-12 Duration: 14:36 === People First (14:35) === [00:00:00] When uncertainty strikes, peace of mind is priceless. [00:00:05] Dirty Man Underground Safes protects what matters most. [00:00:09] Discreetly designed, these safes are where innovation meets reliability, keeping your valuables close yet secure. [00:00:16] Be ready for anything. [00:00:19] Use code DIRTY10 for 10% off today and take the first step towards safeguarding your future. [00:00:25] Dirty Man's Safe. [00:00:26] Because protecting your family starts with protecting what you treasure. [00:00:31] The storm is coming. [00:00:32] Markets are crashing. [00:00:34] Banks are closing. [00:00:35] When the economy collapses, how will you survive? [00:00:39] You need a plan. [00:00:42] Cash, gold, bitcoin. [00:00:44] Dirty man safes keep your assets hidden underground at a secret location ready for any crisis. 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[00:01:49] The history, the Balfour Declaration, the Nakba, it's fascinating. [00:01:55] The discussions are either this or this. [00:02:01] That's it. [00:02:03] No angiogenesis of ideas. [00:02:06] No, well, no. [00:02:09] This or this. [00:02:11] And you figure out what this or this means. [00:02:14] This is where we are right now. [00:02:15] This is where we are. [00:02:19] And it's, it's, there is no room for, well, let's talk about this. [00:02:23] I understand. [00:02:24] No, no. [00:02:24] It's either you, you have to be either 100% this or this. [00:02:32] And I'll let you decide again what this or this means. [00:02:36] So recently there was this Douglas Murray and that, oh, that Smith feller or whatever was on with Joe Rogan. [00:02:44] And Douglas, and it was boring. [00:02:48] Per usual. [00:02:51] But, this is a very interesting thing. [00:02:57] Douglas Murray was asking, had a skeptical eye on how Joe was handling this thing. [00:03:04] And Douglas Murray is, and I hate to use this, pro-Israel. [00:03:11] See, that doesn't even say it. [00:03:14] Pro-Israel. [00:03:16] Pro-Israel. [00:03:17] Pro-Netanyahu, pro... [00:03:19] I don't even know what it is. [00:03:20] Pro-Israel, the state, the country of Israel, the people of Israel, that's one thing. [00:03:26] To be pro-Semitic, that's one thing. [00:03:29] Even the words don't apply. [00:03:30] But anyway, you know what I'm saying. [00:03:32] So, Joe Rogan doesn't owe Douglas Murray or, what people are going to be saying, AIPAC. [00:03:40] Anything. [00:03:41] And what they're going to be saying, so that you know this, they're saying that Joe Rogan may have Either a beef with or may not be necessarily as interested in providing a kind of a pro-Israel take. [00:03:56] But others will say, yeah, but Murray and these others are basically AIPAC propagandists. [00:04:02] That's unfair too because that's like saying you can't have an independent view that is pro, let's say, Netanyahu without AIPAC subsidizing it. [00:04:15] I've always believed, for example, in the Second Amendment. [00:04:17] And when I talked about this, people said, oh, you're a pro-NRA. [00:04:22] You're a gun lobby person. [00:04:23] They say, no, I'm not a gun lobby person. [00:04:26] You see where we get into this? [00:04:27] This is why this subject is just... [00:04:31] But anyway. [00:04:34] So let's set the record straight. [00:04:35] Joe Rogan is not a news network. [00:04:39] And this may come as a shock. [00:04:42] It may come as a shock to you. [00:04:44] But he doesn't owe anybody anything. [00:04:48] Nothing. [00:04:49] Alright? [00:04:50] Fox News doesn't have to put anybody on either. [00:04:54] What is this? [00:04:55] North Korea? [00:04:56] He's not a government agency. [00:04:58] He's not a mouthpiece for foreign policy narratives. [00:05:00] He's an independent podcaster with a free-thinking platform that's built on a long-form, honest discussion, not curated propaganda. [00:05:09] And whatever he wants to believe in, UFO. [00:05:15] Do you have the anti-UFO position? [00:05:18] Do you have the... [00:05:19] Well, he's wondering how did they build the pyramids? [00:05:24] Could it have been from alien forces? [00:05:26] Do you have the anti-alien forces? [00:05:28] This is ridiculous. [00:05:29] This is the fairness doctrine. [00:05:31] If Douglas Murray or anybody wants to have 100% Israel or pro-Hamas or pro-Gaza or pro-whatever, fine! [00:05:41] So when Douglas Murray, the ever... [00:05:44] Polish British intellectual turned I don't want to say Israel apologist because a lot of people he's called that. [00:05:52] Again, I'm very sensitive to that because that's like saying you can't independently be on the side of Israel without you being an AIPAC person. [00:06:04] And by the way, if the NRA went along and said, could we pay you? [00:06:12] To say that which you say anyway? [00:06:16] Absolutely! [00:06:18] I'll take it. [00:06:19] It doesn't change my opinion. [00:06:21] It may fortify it. [00:06:23] Who knows? [00:06:24] But in any event. [00:06:24] So he was scolding Rogan for not having enough Israeli voices. [00:06:29] And we have to ask the question, who appointed Douglas Murray to content police? [00:06:35] Now, he did it in a very, very nice way, and I understand this. [00:06:38] Rogan doesn't owe any airtime to any government. [00:06:41] United States, Israeli, British, Palestinian, anything. [00:06:44] Foreign, domestic. [00:06:45] He doesn't serve the Knesset. [00:06:47] He doesn't serve DNC or the RNC. [00:06:50] He doesn't do any of that stuff. [00:06:52] The Likud Party or anybody. [00:06:59] Any alphabet, intel agency, nobody. [00:07:02] What he does create is a rare space where real conversations happen, sometimes unfiltered, without marching orders from legacy media, or lobbying firms, or think tanks in Washington. [00:07:16] And that's why I think he's successful, one of the many reasons. [00:07:19] That's why people trust him more than CNN, MSDNC, and yes, even Douglas Murray. [00:07:24] Okay? [00:07:25] Fine. [00:07:26] Which is what you're entitled to. [00:07:31] Now, many people are suggesting, see, they'll tell you, see, Douglas Murray is not just some concerned spectator. [00:07:37] His obsession with defending Israel. [00:07:40] I love this. [00:07:41] Why does he have an obsession? [00:07:43] Do I have an obsession with anything? [00:07:47] But they say, he's just another one of these, and this is anti-Semitism, but it's unfair. [00:07:53] He's absolutely obsessed with defending Israel. [00:07:57] But what if somebody's obsessed with defending Palestine? [00:08:00] That's different. [00:08:01] That's okay. [00:08:03] And he's quick to accuse others of bias, of course, of silence, of imbalance. [00:08:07] Yet, never anybody stops to question the stench, if you will, of one-sided advocacy trailing behind appearances. [00:08:19] And what I'm saying is, I know what he's going to say. [00:08:25] Again, I think we need to get back to this. [00:08:30] I think we need, when you have Norman Finkelstein, when you have anybody, I know what they're going to say. [00:08:40] And the question people say is, is Douglas Murray being paid by AIPAC? [00:08:45] Is he some show? [00:08:48] I don't know if anybody knows. [00:08:50] I don't even know if it's relevant. [00:08:52] Because nobody will ever ask you the contrary. [00:08:55] You see, this is the part that I think is critical. [00:08:58] And this is what I want people to understand. [00:09:01] I want to live in a country where you can come out and be... [00:09:06] You can believe in anything you want. [00:09:13] There are people that I know who are able sometimes to compartmentalize a belief. [00:09:23] And they will say, for example, How can you countenance or agree or tolerate the innocent slaughter of Gazans or Palestinians? [00:09:36] How can you allow this? [00:09:39] The other side will say, how can you sit back and countenance and agree and go along with what happened on October the 7th? [00:09:47] Why are you an apologist for Hamas? [00:09:50] Don't you understand? [00:09:51] And then back and forth. [00:09:54] That's not, I'm not an apologist for Hamas. [00:09:57] Well, I'm not an apologist for Israel. [00:09:59] Yes, you are. [00:10:00] No, I'm not. [00:10:01] You're being paid by AIPAC. [00:10:03] That's the new thing. [00:10:06] There are two words that obfuscate and confuse the discussion. [00:10:11] AIPAC and Zionism. [00:10:13] When you use those terms, I'm not saying that they're not relevant, but as you know, our penchant And predisposition and proclivity for short-cutting terms, it gets very, very dangerous. [00:10:28] Once you get into this, we say, my side says woke too much. [00:10:35] Oop, there's that thumb thing. [00:10:37] I don't know where that's from. [00:10:38] We say woke. [00:10:41] They'll say far right. [00:10:45] They even use the word disgraced. [00:10:47] You can't use the word Anthony Weiner without saying disgraced, former congressman. [00:10:50] Disgraced. [00:10:51] We get into these words. [00:10:53] And when we do this, whether it's Zionism, whether it's AIPAC, whether it's... [00:11:01] How do we say this? [00:11:07] There's... [00:11:08] Oh, oh, oh! [00:11:10] Anti-Semitic. [00:11:11] How can I forget that? [00:11:13] That one's been thrown around half of the time because, well, you're a, you know, Douglas, you're an Apex show. [00:11:20] Well, you're an anti-Semite. [00:11:21] Wait a minute. [00:11:22] Meanwhile, nobody's talking about what's actually going on. [00:11:25] So, going back to what I originally said about this thing, Joe Rogan does not owe anybody anything. [00:11:32] Period. [00:11:33] And if Joe Rogan, if you wouldn't ask Katie Halper or Or Norman Finkelstein, or Max Blumenthal, or Aaron Monte. [00:11:43] How come you don't have any pro, if you will, members of the Likud party? [00:11:52] Well, they might say, well, we tried, but nobody would come on. [00:11:56] But the question is unfair, because you don't have to. [00:12:01] You don't have to have anybody on. [00:12:04] I don't understand this. [00:12:05] It's like when people would say, you know, I'm watching Fox News. [00:12:08] I don't see enough people of color on. [00:12:11] We're getting into that again. [00:12:14] I guess what I'm trying to say, in a very, very matter-of-fact way, and I myself have always been, I've been accused of, I'm either a conspiracy theorist, or I'm a Trumper, or some right-winger, far-right. [00:12:31] I could sit down. [00:12:34] And talk with either side of virtually any topic and be able to argue their point. [00:12:41] Maybe it's the lawyer in me. [00:12:42] I could go into a Douglas Murray group, talk with his people, and I'm not saying not mock them, not necessarily agree with either one, but I could say, I understand exactly what you're saying. [00:12:59] And they will listen to me and they'll say, he knows exactly what we're saying. [00:13:02] And no, I don't think they're crazy or evil or murderous. [00:13:05] I go across the hall and speak to a Finkelstein group, and they will understand 100%. [00:13:11] And I will say exactly what they're saying. [00:13:14] And they'll say, that's precisely it. [00:13:16] You understand. [00:13:17] Well, I have a hybrid understanding. [00:13:20] I have a hybrid, if you will, kind of a composite understanding. [00:13:26] The thing about it, though, is that you have to ask yourself, what is it that I'm doing? [00:13:32] Do I owe anybody some duality of opinion? [00:13:38] No. [00:13:39] They did this years ago for those of us in the business of talk radio when they wouldn't have the fairness doctrine. [00:13:44] They said that we had to stop what we were doing to have somebody from the other side. [00:13:47] What was the other side? [00:13:50] So the question is, I want to say this. [00:13:52] Good for Douglas Murray. [00:13:53] Good for everybody else. [00:13:53] Good for Finkelstein and Max Blumenthal and whoever it is. [00:13:57] But Joe Rogan owes nothing to anyone. [00:14:00] Nothing. [00:14:01] If he wants to have 100% pro or anti-Israel, whatever that means, that's up to him. [00:14:07] It's up to him. [00:14:09] He's not a news organization, and even if he was, he doesn't have to give both sides, if anything. [00:14:14] Is that biased? [00:14:16] Maybe. [00:14:16] But I guarantee you, nobody who ever agrees with what you're saying ever calls you biased. [00:14:22] Bias is always the term that the other side uses to dispel the legitimacy or the veracity or the accuracy of somebody they don't like. [00:14:31] Okay? [00:14:32] Okay. [00:14:32] Now, what do you think? [00:14:34] This is a great topic. [00:14:35] What do you think?