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March 25, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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60 Years Later … And STILL No Answer : WHO REALLY SHOT JFK?
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I'm going to do this one more time.
And I'm going to save you a lot of trouble.
And I'm going to make some people mad.
I'm going to make people mad.
Because I do that.
I make people mad.
Let me clear something up.
There is absolutely no proof, no ending, no conclusion, no satisfaction to the story of who killed President John F. Kennedy.
I don't give a damn who you talk to.
You can believe in the loan.
The lone gun people, which you can absolutely exclude.
You can absolutely exclude the lone gunman.
I would bet, and this is not based on proof, because I'm a lawyer.
I care about proof, not what I think.
But if I had to guess anything, I'll bet you Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't even there.
Well, he might have been in the...
Texas School Book Suppository, as my friend would call it.
But maybe not even in the actual vicinity.
He probably shot nothing, had no idea of any of this.
Now, that is not proof.
That's just my supposition.
So, if I go before a jury, and I had to prove, not beyond a reasonable doubt, Which is the criminal standard, but if I had to prove based upon the preponderance of the evidence, which is, is it more likely than not?
Even at that lower civil standard, I can't tell you who did anything.
All I can tell you is a lot of people who plotted.
Now we can make a case for a conspiracy.
That might be good.
And the conspiracy being two or more guilty people who are working together in unison to effectuate his assassination.
But even that!
I heard something about now the latest one.
It's Ben-Gurion and Angleton and Israel and the, you know, not the Jews, but the Israelis and they did it because of the nuclear bomb.
Nothing!
All it shows is interest, connection, talk to, Angleton, CIA, talk.
It doesn't prove they killed anybody.
Anybody.
I'm going to say this again.
That's not proof of anything.
It just means that there were some people.
I can show you three, four, five groups of people who at some particular point planned something or met or served to benefit from his murder.
I can do this.
All day long.
All day long.
It doesn't prove anything!
I want there to be enough.
I have thoughts.
You know, if I had to guess, you don't know who pulled the trigger.
Not even close.
All we have is, okay, we have this sphere over here.
All right, Israel, they could have done, they could have had something.
They might have worked in concert with Angleton and Meyer Lansky.
Okay.
But they've got to coordinate with other people.
Okay, fine.
So they're over there.
Then you've got the plain old CIA angle.
You've got that group.
Then you've got the plain old, probably, and Blakey, if you believe him, the father of Rico, he says it's organized crime.
So I could do three, four.
How many circles of plotting and planning and context would you like?
Tell me how...
This group, how the organized crime mob planning is more powerful than the Angleton CIA Israel planning.
Let's assume you say, okay, this planning is better than this.
Terrific.
I'm going to go to a jury.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I want you to find it more probable, more likely.
Then not.
Based upon the preponderance of the evidence, a lower civil standard, I want you to find that Israel, Israel, the government of...
Oh, look at this.
I've got balloons.
This...
I'm sorry.
I in no way am suggesting anything celebratory.
I think it's this phone I've got.
Forgive me.
I in no way...
Mean to mock the severity of this.
But I'm as shocked as you and the balloons.
Let me go back.
It doesn't prove anything.
Who is Israel?
Israel and I was going to...
We didn't do that.
Well, Ben-Gurion did...
Well, Angleton met with so-and-so.
Uh-huh.
Well, who was the gunman?
I don't know who the gunman was, but he was involved in...
Okay.
Good.
They built a...
Or dedicated a...
Park or a forest or something to him.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what?
What?
Hey Israel, did you do this?
No, we didn't do this.
Yes, you did.
I've got these documents here.
We didn't do that.
He might have talked to us.
So ladies and gentlemen, find Israel guilty Because of this.
Now, who shot?
Forget that.
The actual shooters?
We're not even near that.
We're talking about the conspiracies.
Which conspiracy makes the most sense?
Let's move to another one.
Let's talk about organized crime.
Oh my God, organized crime.
Carlos Marcello?
Oh my God.
Motivation?
He hated Bobby Kennedy with a passion.
Hated Bobby Kennedy.
Would have done anything to see Bobby Kennedy.
Never get near the White House.
Not only that, the connections, oh my God, but Carlos Marcello and the Marseille, the French Connection people, Lucien Sartre, probably one of the best...
Choices for the shooter, we don't know, badge man, all kinds of planning, all kinds of plotting.
Does it prove the mob did it?
No!
It means there's evidence of plotting, conspiracy, wanting, but when did it go into...
Alright, you get the shooter there, as opposed to, okay, I'm gonna...
We're going to get together.
Hello?
Yes.
I want to have De Gaulle.
Remember that Day of the Jackal?
I want De Gaulle assassinated.
Okay, and we're talking.
And we're conspiring.
A conspiracy, by the way, doesn't mean that it has any chance whatsoever of being successful.
Under the law, two people agreeing, two people forming a confederation is good enough.
It doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't mean anything in terms of the likelihood at all.
None of it.
So if you want to read a book or whatever about conspiracies, that's a good story.
Yeah, I'm sure they happen.
I'm sure.
Did it prove anything?
Nothing!
It doesn't prove anything!
I wish it would.
I would give anything.
To once and for all put to bed.
Put to end!
The end of this horror in our life to get the bastards who did it, but there's nothing there because you're confusing the existence of a conspiracy, the existence of an agreement, the existence of a cabal, of a cadre.
You're confusing that with the existence of the actual assassination team who went and did it.
No matter who it is.
Jack...
Oh, and remember something.
Whenever you mention anything, you do know that whenever you mention anything about Israel, people just go nuts.
Oliver Stone's JFK.
Remember this?
Oliver Stone's...
movie, JFK, probably did more, more than anything else to fix it.
His name, by the way, Oliver Stone, when you say, uh-huh, Oliver Stone, uh-huh.
Okay, well, he wasn't, that's not his real name.
His real name was something else.
He was born to Louis Stone.
He was born Abraham Louis Silverstein.
So the whole Oliver Stone thing was to throw people off of the Jewish-Israeli connection.
That's what people are thinking.
No, you don't understand something.
We have TDS.
We have EDS.
And we have...
We have Israeli-Israel derangement syndrome.
Now listen to me very, very carefully.
I've seen this.
You mentioned Trump, mentioned Elon to the left, and you mentioned Israel, and people just, they can't focus anymore.
They can't focus.
And when I say, wait a minute, they tell me, aha, you!
Something, it's weird.
And I don't think it's anti-Semitism.
I really don't.
I just think it's this, It's like people who...
You mentioned Bill Gates.
Mention Hillary Clinton.
Because that's kind of where we are today.
But let me go back to what I'm saying.
Number one, there was a conspiracy.
Absolutely.
There was a confederation between two or more guilty people.
This was not a...
Because it's conspiracy versus lone gunman.
If it's a lone gunman, it's not a conspiracy.
There was no lone gunman.
And there sure as hell wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald.
Now, who it was?
We'll never know.
We will never know.
I will tell you, this is plausible, this is plausible, and this is plausible.
How do you like that?
That doesn't convict anybody or even find somebody civilly liable of anything.
Now understand something.
I want there to be a conclusion to this.
I want there more than anything.
I live in a world of proof.
I live in a world of proof.
And not only that, let me go one step further.
In life in general, I believe in the difference, in knowing the difference between correlation and cause.
There are things sometimes that are connected to and other things that cause.
Remember during the initial parts of COVID, people were confusing correlation with cause.
Now, do we know that Vaccines caused myocarditis?
Maybe we are.
I think we're finding more and more about that now.
But at first, people were saying it, lay people, because of this COVID mania.
Well, some are anti-vaxxers.
Many people aren't.
But it was because of that, because they lost their minds in the argument.
And the moment you lose your mind, and I saw this in Vietnam, I saw this with other people, people cannot speak to the truth, cannot identify reality.
They can't do it because of this lunacy.
It goes into their souls.
I've never seen anything...
Middle East?
Middle East is a code word for Israel and Palestine.
People are nuts.
I don't even talk to friends about this.
And Putin and NATO and Zelensky and Ukraine?
I think there's been maybe perhaps a kind of a getting off that nonsense.
But this is an OCD crazed Lunacy.
And I see people who are so smart and they write these books and they don't tell me anything.
I'm like, well, who did it?
Oh, and by the way, the worst, the worst are the historians.
The, I forget that, you know, the professional historians, but I mean the kind of amateur types who meet.
They meet, maybe sometimes, and they'll get together, and they know the most incredible recondite examples of Arcana and Minutia, and they know everything about this, and they can tell you everything about J.D. Tippett.
He's got this, and his brother's father.
Payne, and the landlady, and he went to Mexico, and it wasn't really, they forged the sharpshooting record, and it wasn't, I mean, and it's like, this is great!
And Tippett had a 45 versus a 38, and it was a man like a Carcano, no one was a Mauser, and there's a...
The best evidence there is, is the fact that they removed, and they had a bullet hole in the windshield.
That destroys a conspiracy, that establishes a conspiracy right there, because if you got front and back shooting like this, there are, by definition, at least two people.
Hello!
And the fact that they removed the windshield, immediately replaced it, and cleaned the insides of it, again, that doesn't prove anything.
The bullet hole establishes a conspiracy.
Don't know who did it.
Don't know who did it.
Don't know.
Don't know.
Don't know who the shooters were?
Were they American?
Probably.
And there are some things that make sense.
Go for foreign.
It makes a lot more sense.
Put some foreign assassins, some military trained guys who come here, and they can just slip away.
And if they're caught, they go, who are you?
I don't know.
I can't speak.
I'm ever...
Who are you?
My name is Jean Guilifer.
I'm an assassin.
Where are you from?
I'm from France.
And who were you shooting?
I don't know.
That guy there.
He could slip around.
They probably came through Mexico, hung around the safe house for about ten days, two weeks, whatever.
And then, look, look, look, look.
All I'm saying, all I'm saying, is that I can guess, guess, guess.
I can't tell you who did it.
I want to know the name.
I want to know the name of the shooters.
I want to know where they were.
I want to know about Badge Man.
Probably Sartee from the grassy knoll.
I want to know that.
Not that guy Files.
Not these other people.
But at least he even said, I did it.
But this other stuff.
It's interesting, but it doesn't establish anything.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
It doesn't establish anything.
It explains motivation.
It explains a lot of great stuff.
But it does not prove anything.
Correlation, cause.
Two completely different concepts.
But I'm with you.
I share with you your desire to figure out the truth.
So let's keep looking.
And by the way, one more spoiler alert.
Nothing in any of the documents released, about to be released, is going to point to anything.
Epstein, different story.
That's not a whodunit.
That's a who all did it.
And who, you know, that's all there.
That's...
That's what you'd be paying attention to.
And where was Bobby Kennedy in the whole thing?
Is this your uncle?
He's busy playing tennis with Volchik, whatever his name is.
Bobby's talking about food dyes.
I don't give a shit about that.
You think Bobby Kennedy, especially, would tell the rest of those rat bastard cousins and nephews and siblings of his, hey, why don't you people care about this?
Why?
If I didn't know better, and I don't know, I'm just saying, sure looks like they were bought off, don't they?
Maybe that USAID money said, don't you say anything.
The last thing in the world we need is some Kennedy relative saying, who killed my daddy?
Who killed my uncle?
They're the coolest characters.
I don't care.
I don't care.
And by the way, follow this lead.
Not proof, but a lead.
You know that MKUltra was real.
It was declassified.
If ever there were two textbook cases of at least seeming ostensible MKUltra that needs to be reviewed, it's Mark David Chapman with Lennon and Sirhan Sirhan.
Okay?
And look at Dane, Eugene, Caesar, and all those people.
Look, look, we, we, this is RFK.
I don't want to, I don't want to, that case is so bad, powder depositions behind the ear.
Sir Hans over here, come on, stop it!
You can just count the bullets.
You've got to understand something.
Please don't take this the wrong way.
Americans love to pretend they love CSI.
They love, they really do.
True crime.
True crime is the number one format.
I love true crime.
They are the worst.
You could pull off anything to Americans.
Idiots!
Idiots!
It's the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.
Epstein.
Clearly homicide.
Don't forget the four, actually five, types of death.
NASH, the acronym.
Natural Accident, Suicide, Homicide, and Unexplained.
It was homicide.
Hyoid bone, thyroid cartilage, fracture, petechial hemorrhaging.
It's ecstatic!
And people are supposed to say, I don't know, maybe.
Even Pam Bondi, bless her heart, well, we need to release the...
They killed him.
Who killed him?
And who did Epstein work for?
Well, we're not going to...
We're going to instead look at the Black Book.
Who cares about the Black Book?
I don't care about the Black Book.
That's not the interesting...
You see?
This is how I work myself into this stuff.
I work myself up into a lather.
And then I realize, listen.
You're working at a school with special students.
And I say this in the nicest way.
The American people are just good people, but they don't know anything.
They go from one thing to the next, and they don't know.
Diddly squad.
But you and I do.
What do you think?
Put your thoughts and comments.
Remember, don't confuse motivation with proof.
Proof.
You may see That guy, that woman, wanted to have her husband offed because he had a life insurance policy and she met a boyfriend and she...
Okay.
That guy might have wanted to burn his place down because he just got that place insured and the arson, that might be good, you know, probable cause to kind of maybe pursue it.
But that's not proof.
That might be a motive.
That's not proof of anything.
You can't go to a...
Jury and say, find her guilty.
What?
Because she benefited.
Because she also told people how she hated him.
She went so far as to say, and if I could kill this son of a bitch, I'd do it because I'd get all the money.
You think that's going to be enough?
No!
She probably did it.
Great for a novel.
Great for a TV.
It's not proof.
It's not proof.
You've got to get the guy who says, yeah, I'm the assassin, and she paid me, and I did it.
Or, Maybe how about a video of her shooting?
Or something.
Or maybe money that went to the shooter.
Maybe.
What do we have with Kennedy?
Books.
A lot of documents.
And at this point, they're saying, look at all the documents all you want.
Anything here.
Look at this.
Omar Saad here.
MI6.
CIA, FBI, Jago Hoover.
Don't forget too.
Our good friend, the great Oliver Stone says, Mac.
Mac Wallace.
LBJ.
He did it!
He did it!
Good luck.
Good luck going through this, okay?
Good luck.
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