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Jan. 8, 2025 - Lionel Nation
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Candace Owens Is Very Popular and Very Wrong
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Let me ask a simple question.
Does Candace Owens ever have to prove anything she accuses people of?
Is that the way it is?
Or is she so beloved and so entrusted and so loved that we just say, hey, that's good?
Or do we just welcome people saying things that we like Information provided is scandalous and horrible.
Is that it?
If somebody were to go on the internet and say that, pick whoever you want, a star, a royal, a monarch, doesn't matter, that they're either, and you've got to be careful because of the algorithm problem, but let's say they're a paraphyl.
Or in a feebophile, or a hebophile, or a chronophile, or somebody who involves themselves in frottage, and undinism, and a variety of other strange things.
If you have reasons to believe that the gender that was provided by others, or provided to the country or the world, is not true.
If you believe, and if a lot of people say, you know what, we've heard that.
Can you just go out and say that?
Now, I'm not suggesting censorship, and I'm not suggesting litigation.
I'm talking about something just from an epistemological point of view, just citizen to citizen.
If I think something, and let me also tell you something parenthetically.
Anybody who's been in the business long enough knows that there are stories about people that we have, I mean, I would bet digits on.
I mean, bet, I know to be true.
But I would never say them because I can't prove it.
It's just a hint.
It's kind of a well-known fact.
And gossip...
Does not mean wrong.
Just like propaganda doesn't mean wrong.
Gossip, the definition of gossip is this.
It's something you may not want to say openly or that is considered by some people to be trivial or unfair or unnice.
But the bottom line is simply this.
You have no idea what I know.
And I would never go out and say it.
For no other reason than I can't prove it.
And again, I'm not talking about litigation or terms of service or conditions or whatever the hell these rules are.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying this about people who aren't children, who other people are the actual parents or...
People who've had a series of loathsome diseases.
This is a classic libel per se stuff.
Or people who have, who are themselves closeted.
Oh my God, the list!
The list of that is through the roof!
But, but, that's not enough to go out and say that.
And yet, When I commented on something she had said recently about a bunch of people, including Obama and Macron and his wife, I said, how do you know this?
How can you prove it?
And the reaction on X or Twitter was, well, IMO, you know, in my opinion, I think it's true.
Well, it is true.
Say it.
And I kept asking, how do you know it?
Prove it!
You don't have to prove it.
If somebody said, the absence of proof is not proof of absence, I'm thinking, this is the most ridiculous thing in the world.
Imagine going on trial, and the prosecutor goes up and says, listen, I don't have any evidence to adduce, to provide, to prove, nothing but innuendo, and by the way, innuendo is not an Italian suppository, but innuendo or conjecture, mythology, urban legend, that's all I have.
Do you think you would Or tolerate that?
Now, of course, that's a criminal case and this is different.
But we believe in the notion that you should be able to say stuff if you have proof of it.
Now, if you want to qualify it, and again, this is all self-enforceable.
This is not...
I'm not talking about people should be thrown off platforms or sued.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying this is something that we should all agree to.
Just like we should all agree not to use the names of people who are involved in mass homicide.
We don't want to do anything to inadvertently embellish their reputations and the like and give them this posthumous fame which will do nothing but encourage somebody else to do the same thing.
But, how do you know?
How do you know these things?
When you say this, and nobody can answer the question.
People say, oh, I know.
You don't know anything.
Let me be even clearer.
You don't know about what you're saying.
You know it to be true in the general scheme of things.
Look at what people have said throughout the years about Michelle Obama.
I'm not going to go into that now.
And the reason why people say it to be true is it starts off as mean, starts off as kind of childish, and you know, kind of tittering, but then the troll mentality, the pitchfork and torch crowds come about.
And it's fun.
And it's mean.
And the meme that is mean.
And the mean memes.
And the pictures.
And it just grows and grows.
And just like murmurations of starlings.
Just like Le Bon's crowd theory.
We turn into this frothing frenzy of people who all of a sudden overnight will swear.
Absolutely that rumors about Michelle Obama are true, and there's been no proof.
Tolstoy said history would be a wonderful thing if only it were true.
Now, if you want to say, you know, I wouldn't be surprised, okay, or, you know, I'm hearing, okay, but that's not what is said.
And especially...
Especially when people all of a sudden say, you know what?
There's a lot of money and metrics and numbers in this child business.
I can say anything I want about predation, anything!
This is really good stuff.
And I'm going to just start saying things.
And I'm going to talk about this one and that one.
And I'm going to be tired.
And...
I'm going to be tired.
So the question remains, how do you know what you know?
And if you can't prove, if there's no evidence, well, how do you know that?
How do I know this?
John Wayne was a Venusian.
Well, how do you know that?
Well, his ex-wife has this picture, and she, oh, okay.
That might be good.
Or he admitted it.
Or he's a doctor's report.
Or this is a testimony in a lawsuit.
Or this is a victim, or something, you know.
We don't even get that.
We get this idea, these things that start, like this little grain of sand, doesn't turn into a pearl, it turns into a bigger grain of sand.
Now let me explain something.
And I'm going to reiterate this, and it doesn't really matter.
This really bothers people, because a lot of people just like Candace Owens.
And that's great.
She's brilliant.
Great broadcaster.
Great communicator.
Absolutely, without a doubt.
100%.
Her fallout with Ben Shapiro, her views on Israel show a pervervid which I've got my advice but nobody's listening so I'll just let it go with them.
Just be careful.
That's all.
Don't ever take it personally.
You're much better communicating when you don't look like it's personal.
That's all.
But that's for later.
The next point is that those of us in the biz and those who watch these shows, who get really committed, whether it's mob shows, mob genres, whether it's comedians, and this one isn't funny, and Burt Kreischer told Bill Burr this, and eat the scrums within that.
And then I told you, you've got the mob groups, you've got this one, Sammy the Bull is a Rat, and Francesa, this, and this, and Mikey Scars, and John, he's just got that scrum.
And then you have, originally it started from professional wrestling, when they went, all the shoot interviews that were terrific.
And you have all these pockets of people, and it's all become personal.
Forget the subject matter.
Forget what we're talking about.
Forget whether there is or isn't a mom.
That's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about something else right now which is even more deranged and depraved.
It's this personal thing.
Because what is at the basis or the foundation of a lot of this is hatred.
Absolute animus.
And...
Forgive me.
A lot of mean-spirited, very lonely children who live vicariously by getting into the fights of others.
It's like Tertius Gaudens, the game theory.
You're involving yourself in fights that really, and it becomes, you know, fractionalized and factionalized.
This faction against that faction.
You've got the Ben Shapiro crowd against this crowd, and then you've got the...
And then Jordan Peterson is mad at this one, and then Bet David is mad, and he's...
We love this stuff.
Now, it's...
I'm sorry to use wrestling parlance.
Sometimes it's a work.
Sometimes it's a shoot.
And sometimes it's neither.
You break kayfabe.
You break this.
It has lost all of its functionality.
Some of the best people in the world who give analyses never lose their cool.
Never.
Never.
That's all I'm going to say.
So again, I realize that nothing that I've said is going to be either remembered, understood, or paid attention to.
I just want to leave you with a very simple question.
How do you know what you know?
How do you know what you know?
Those things you know to be true.
Those things you absolutely know to be true.
Look at Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton.
Laptops.
Remember the Hillary, the Wiener laptop.
Oh my God.
Remember that?
I'm not even going to get into that again.
Those stories were just...
People said, no, you don't understand!
There is a...
There is a story, and I'm not going to go into detail, but maybe you know it, and I'll talk about it obtusely.
There was a story of, allegedly, of a very famous movie star who was brought in To an emergency room to have extricated from a particular part of his anatomy a rodent.
It is a story that has gained international flavor and acceptance.
And there has never been not the slightest evidence of any of it ever.
But people will swear to it.
How do you know what you know?
One last thing.
How many times have you heard this?
You know, they've proved that during a full moon, 9-1-1 calls come in, emergency room visits go through the roof, there's more homicides and mime to cry because of a full moon.
They proved it!
They never proved anything!
Never!
Never!
It's always a full moon to an extent.
It doesn't make any sense.
And a lot of times when there's a full moon, it implies something that's happening at night, which is when more crimes occur in the first place.
I mean, there's never been anything.
Ever.
And they do these things.
Well, you know, don't you understand?
You see, the body is 90% of the water, and the brain is water, and the moon is tides.
That's great for an open system, like an ocean.
But not for a lake, not for a bathtub.
We're a closed system.
The moon does it.
There's no tidal.
But we just make things up.
We make things up about everybody knows, oh my God, I happen to be plant-based in my diet and habits.
I don't use the V word.
And I constantly have to hear from experts who make stuff up that make no sense.
About diets.
Never get into diets.
Paleo versus keto versus...
This is all Atkins and Stoneman and Scarsdale diet.
It's been around forever.
Nothing's new.
But they will fight you on this.
Do you understand?
You must never ever have meat after sweets.
You eat it.
Oh, and now.
Now.
Now.
Fasting.
They just discovered fasting.
And autophagy and hormesis.
They just figured it out.
They're experts.
Just like this.
A lot of lonely people.
People who've never had this collective asseveration scrum that they can join into.
People who can be a part of a team.
Doesn't matter who they are.
Yankees, Red Sox, Candace, this, that, Jordan, whoever's big.
I happen to be a...
Of the Alex Jones fan club, and I've had to defend him forever on that one, so I know the feeling.
But I don't lose my mind on it.
And if I have suspicions about Alex, if I've heard things about Alex, if I probably would be like, I'm not going to go out and say absolutely it's true when I don't know it.
But more importantly, when I can't prove it.
Because if you can't prove it, it doesn't mean anything.
Life's like that.
Life's like that.
Relationships.
If you suspect your partner or your spouse is involved in infidelity, you've got to prove it!
I mean, you can leave if you want, but the idea is that you just can't have hunches.
You've got to prove it.
You've got to have something.
Whether...
You know, based upon the preponderance of the evidence or reasonable doubt or proof evident and presumptions great, primephasia, probable cause, whatever it is.
There's got to be something.
It's just not, yeah, I heard that before.
I'm going to go through the Paul is dead thing.
Remember that one?
I know people who swear by that, swear by it.
Okay, prove it.
I don't know if I can prove it.
Well, why are you saying it?
Well, I just know.
I know after that, you know.
Well, can you prove it?
I can't prove it, but I know it.
IMO.
In my opinion.
Well, in your opinion, his opinion is based on...
You see where we are?
It's called epistemology.
Look, some things will let you go.
Something you can get by with.
Faith.
I'm not proof of God.
Alright, I understand that.
Faith.
Some things aren't proved.
You can't prove love.
You can feel it.
You can't prove it.
There's no meter for it.
I understand this.
As far as faith goes, remember, if there were a fact, you wouldn't need faith.
But when it comes to going online and saying this, and believe it or not, I don't know about you, but I'm sure if somebody were to enjoy this subject, you could have all kinds of...
Hints or rumors and thoughts about Candace.
And I would say the same thing.
Don't say anything about her unless you don't know anything about her.
Yeah, but I know.
See where we are?
Again, this is self-imposed, self-regulated.
This is self-monitored.
I don't want there to be any lawsuits or prosecution or anybody losing their platforms or being demonetized.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm just talking about it from our point of view.
Because remember, the question is, as I start off, how do you know what you know?
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