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Dec. 28, 2024 - Lionel Nation

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Jay-Z’s Big Shot Lawyer Royally P*sses Off the Judge While Luigi Mangione Gets Ready to Be Fried

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	Hubris.
	These people live like emperors.
	If you believe the things that are alleged, right?
	If you believe what has been alleged, this guy in the flagship store at Macy's pistol whipped the guy, forced him to his knees to perform oral sex with four people standing there watching.
	Right?
	This is a kind of arrogance and hubris, if it really exists, that doesn't exist anywhere else.
	And I think it kind of, these people in Hollywood get to a point where they feel like, you can't hurt me.
	I'm a pharaoh.
	I'm a king.
	I had to drum up the Lionel.
	The Lionel.
	Merry Christmas, Lionel.
	How's it going, my friend?
	Indeed.
	How are you, sir?
	Have you seen this news on Jay-Z, the judge that's just come out in the last hour, the ruling?
	Please, I have not.
	Read it to me, but in your own inimitable way, sir.
	Don't hold back.
	Well, I'll just paraphrase.
	But basically, they blasted Jay-Z's team for all of these demands for a speedy resolution, for a dismissal.
	They blasted them for saying that Busby is trying to extort them.
	Busby's trying to create a media circus.
	The judge has reversed everything that Jay-Z's legal team has demanded.
	The judge has gone completely against it.
	Let me read this.
	Let me look at this.
	You say in the last...
	Oh, here we go.
	Busby gains the upper hand.
	Is that it?
	Let me see what this says.
	Continue to talk and I'll give you my...
	My learned opinion of this.
	Your valued educational experience.
	Indeed, indeed.
	Yeah, so we feel that this is a breakthrough for the people who are exposing these people.
	Well, no, not necessarily.
	I hate to say it to you, but...
	I'm reading this, the five-page order.
	Let me see the order.
	Lionel's going to bring us all back down to earth now, folks.
	But this is just prefatory stuff.
	There's nothing that's happened yet.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Guys, real neat, and I'll say this and I'll be quiet for Lionel.
	Miss Natanya and Beverly are talking, and what's that?
	And Miss Beverly came up with a name, and that name was Miss Natanya's nickname from like 30 years ago.
	Just food for thought.
	So for anybody who doesn't believe Miss Beverly, put your hand down because she's real.
	I believe.
	I believe.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, Lionel, this broadcast, one of our podcast guests who was on earlier this week has gone missing.
	He was stirring the Jay-Z pot.
	And hence, a lot of people are concerned right now.
	Yes.
	Well, that's the risk one takes of going on the Sean Atwood show.
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	I mean, think about this.
	You've got the Azerbaijan flight, you've got people on certain islands, and your show, whatever happened to...
	It makes a good point.
	Okay, look at the order.
	Number one, The plaintiff's motion to proceed anonymously is granted.
	Okay.
	Point about the remaining order.
	Since Carter's attorney first appeared in the case 17 days ago, he has submitted a litany of letters and motions attempting to impugn the character of plaintiff's lawyer, many of them expounding on the purported urgency of his case.
	Whoa!
	Wait a minute.
	Hold it.
	It's like almost like...
	How dare you file letters?
	Anyway, so I think that's interesting.
	That goes to show you a bit of a tenor.
	A tenor, perhaps.
	I also smell a recusal motion.
	Keep it up, Judge.
	The more you say, the more it gets shifted away.
	Just because, look at this, can we get a fair trial?
	It's one thing when the defendant says, can I get a fair trial?
	It's not even a defendant.
	When the lawyer says, can I get a fair trial?
	That's pretty good.
	Carter's lawyer's relentless filing of combative motions containing inflammatory language and ad hominem attacks is inappropriate, a waste of judicial resources, and a tactic unlikely to benefit his client.
	The court will not fast-track the judicial process merely because counsel demands it.
	Moreover...
	Moreover, although Carter's attorney assails plaintiff's lawyer as having a chronic inability to follow the rules, Carter's counsel has failed to abide by his court's clear rules.
	So this is very, very good.
	Very interesting.
	So what happens?
	We'll see.
	It's just, I don't think this is the end of the matter, but I think this is, as normally motions go, they're very cut and dry.
	This is good.
	That's a win from Lionel then.
	Thumbs up.
	No, it's like it's the first, it's like you're watching a boxing match and, ooh, that was a good one.
	This is not even five minutes into the first round.
	In fact, we haven't even got into the, this is in the weigh-in.
	Did you see this?
	He slapped him in the weigh-in.
	I haven't even started yet.
	This is good.
	And listen, this is terrific as far as Alex Spiro.
	Normally, by the way, federal court is very, very deliberate.
	No cameras.
	We don't like this.
	Very slow.
	Even during the Trump case with E. Gene Carroll and others, he just got up and said, I'm getting out of here.
	He was almost like, can you come back, please?
	Very sedate, very calm.
	This is pretty good.
	So it remains to be seen.
	I did tell you one, Sean, Tommy and Shane as well.
	This, this is going to be better than anything from the guy whose name begins with E. You know what I mean?
	This is good by virtue of the people involved and all of the attitude being taken.
	And what I also like is you have this Alex Spiro, this lawyer who's considered...
	Remember, this is Elon Musk's lawyer.
	He represents the mayor of New York City.
	You don't normally want to call attention to your client.
	You want it to be very, very quiet.
	There was a guy years ago named James LaRosa.
	He represented Paul Castellano, Big Paul, who was, of course, killed in 1985 in front of Sparks.
	You don't even know the guy's name.
	You never heard anything.
	It was always, let's go over here.
	That's my attitude.
	Be quiet.
	Over here.
	Now, I don't know about you, but if I were Sean, Jay-Z, I'd pick up the phone and say, what are you doing?
	You're supposed to help me.
	What are you doing?
	What am I paying you this money for?
	I'm worse now, and nothing's happening.
	You're filing motions, and you're pissing the judge off.
	Filing motions!
	Do it very, very sterilely.
	We have a fast-track now.
	Okay, that's it.
	And you, when you impugn...
	And now you get into things where you get local rules, you have bar rules, it's never an ad hominem.
	I mean, if you...
	Even in the case of Rudy Giuliani, where they just ripped this guy to shreds, it was very gentlemanly.
	Counsel, you know, exceeds the bounds of the evidence.
	Like, really rough stuff.
	So I think Jay-Z's lawyer is going to kind of calm down.
	And in a day or two, it'll be forgotten.
	Today's what?
	Thursday, Friday?
	It'll be forgotten.
	Guys, real quick, there's a person in chat that says Juice Talk TV claims Ronnie Bow was shut, but I can't find anything on it.
	Sorry to break in.
	How credible is Juice Talk TV?
	I looked at their channel and the last thing they had on Ronnie was like four months ago.
	How many subs they got?
	How many subs?
	10,000.
	If they've got a lot, we know they're doing their due diligence.
	That's why I'm asking.
	No, it's 10,000, but he's been a guest on the show a couple of times.
	Okay.
	He's been there live a couple of times.
	Right, gotcha.
	Okay.
	So a lot of people, Lionel, are asking for your thoughts on Luigi.
	Oh, that's my favorite.
	That's the best.
	Did you see how he and his lawyer wore the same outfit?
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry?
	His cardigan is selling out all over the world.
	These people are so demented.
	This is what I would do if I were the prosecutor.
	I would sit there and say...
	The best thing going, well, first of all, the best thing going for, remember, there are two cases.
	There's the New York case, and now the federal case.
	But the thing is, what I like to say is, the best thing going for the people in New York is that Mr., and I would always say his name incorrectly, I would always say Mr. Mangeloni, I would always change it.
	I would always drive him crazy, because he is a hubristic, Remember, let's kind of profile him.
	He's this guy who really thinks he's something.
	He thinks he is so, oh my god, he thinks he is so smart.
	He's so brilliant.
	He thinks he's the second coming of the Unabomber.
	I would make fun of this, what is this, this page and a half scribbling?
	I've seen stuff on men's room walls that were more lucid than this.
	Now, what I would do, I would drive him nuts.
	Absolutely crazy.
	Because that's the bottom line.
	And I would also tell him, like, thank God we have somebody who's so bloody stupid as this guy to basically leave him or to put himself into this, how do I say, this position.
	You're logged in twice, Lionel.
	Talk amongst yourselves to him.
	I'll give you a topic.
	We did this.
	Let me just stand by then.
	I got rid of you from this end.
	Don't worry.
	Lionel, I fixed it from this end.
	Is that better?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I like having that effect.
	You know, that kind of like this kind of a Twilight Zone sound.
	What he is is he fancies himself as being so smart.
	He came in first in his high school class.
	So what?
	They're comparing him to Ted Kaczynski.
	Ted Kaczynski wrote a manifesto that took the New York Times.
	They're still printing it.
	It's like 800,000 words of I don't know what.
	This guy scribbled on the back of a napkin and he's a genius.
	This schmuck gets popped in a McDonald's in Altoona by taking his mask off.
	It wasn't the FBI.
	By the way, it's a good way to dig.
	It wasn't the FBI.
	It wasn't the NYPD.
	It was some guy who said, is this not the guy who's in Altoona, Pennsylvania?
	So they got him.
	They nabbed him.
	Now, one question I have, and this is one of the things which I find the most important.
	We'll get to the facts.
	They found this ghost gun.
	This is a 3D printed gun, right?
	That was supposedly used at the time.
	Remember at first how they said it was an OSS?
	It was this model.
	They went off.
	And it was a model of a gun that was used by veterinarians.
	Nonsense.
	It was a plastic thing he made.
	Okay, fine.
	Is there, and maybe you know this better than I do, is there rifling in that barrel so that when you take that slug out of Thompson, the dead CEO, Can you match it with the gun that they found him with, the ghost gun?
	If there's no ballistics, if it's like a Derringer or something that just, but there's no rifling, that's a big deal.
	I don't care what he wrote.
	I don't care his thoughts.
	I don't care his ideas.
	If there's no evidence, if that matches perfectly, because we have the new police commissioner, Tish, who looks like, well, She looks like one of the stand-ins for the banjo player in Deliverance.
	I mean, we're not...
	We're looking like a few missing chromosomes here.
	You know, neurologist Mendelia going, what the hell is that?
	I've never heard of this one.
	You got a nice mouth, boy.
	There she is.
	So she says, the other day she says, And the rifle casings...
	No, I'm sorry.
	The bullet casings match.
	Hold it.
	The bullet casings?
	You mean the brass?
	You mean it has brass?
	What are you talking about?
	By the way, stand by to make it even more interesting.
	The NYPD, the head, the big, the chief of operations, this big guy forced to retire, was basically...
	Going to another police officer, forced to retire, who basically made $9 million in overtime.
	She basically compelled her to have sex with him.
	This is the NYPD!
	So this is another story.
	Then we got the mayor, then we got the NWAPD, and then we got Jethro, this woman who's walking around who used to be in charge of sanitation.
	She used to salt the streets, pick up garbage.
	Now she's the police commissioner in the biggest murder.
	Now, it gets ready.
	Hang on, Shane.
	Hang on a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	I'm still here.
	I'm still here.
	Frozen in this peephole.
	I'm The Department of Justice supposedly hates the death penalty.
	Theoretically, commuted 37 death sentences.
	37!
	Three short, up to and including one of the Tsarnaev brothers.
	Remember the flying Tsarnaev brothers?
	The Boston Massacre?
	The great Howie Carr calls them Speed Bump and Flash Bang.
	One of them was run over.
	Remember that?
	That's Speed Bump.
	And Flash Bang, they found him in a boat.
	They threw his...
	Percussion grenade.
	He's in this little boat.
	Boom!
	His ears have been ringing for 12 years.
	Okay.
	He was the subject of the death penalty from the Barack Obama Department of Justice.
	They hate the death penalty except for him.
	He commuted the sentence of the worst child killers You can imagine.
	So follow me on this.
	This is so labyrinthine, it's crazy.
	So he hates the death penalty except for this guy.
	He commuted everybody's death sentence except this guy.
	Now, back to Luigi Mangini Leononi.
	Remember, always say his name wrong.
	It'll drive him crazy.
	I call him Lord Mangoni.
	And mangoni means glutton or big eater in Italian.
	That of the cattle are dying.
	I can't get it.
	Horshek.
	Horshek.
	Very good.
	I love you.
	That is the most arcane.
	That is the most arcane.
	Lord, you and I must be on the same page.
	One of these, I'll tell you where Jim Magnatowski from Taxi got his name.
	That's a different story.
	Now, so...
	As this case is happening, and the New York charging with terrorism and all of this stuff, in this idea that people are saying the reason why they charge him with terrorism is to negate the possibility of a death, of an insanity defense, which I still don't understand.
	Wait, here comes the DOJ saying, we're jumping in with this charge that gives you the death penalty and life.
	Wait a minute.
	You're supposed to hate the death penalty.
	Except this one.
	Wait a minute.
	I'm Alvin Bragg.
	You gave me this piece of garbage case that your Department of Justice came up with and I had to prosecute Trump with it.
	I've done everything for you.
	So now I finally got a case that maybe this is like a killer.
	You interrupted and say, no, no, we're taking over.
	We're going to do it because you used a firearm when there was a death penalty.
	And we also have a new president with a new Department of Justice, Pam Bondi, who's going to say, we like that.
	We want to make an example out of you.
	You just went after a corporate CEO from a president who used to be a corporate CEO!
	So this is a labyrinth among the labyrinths, and you can have all of the...
	I love when these people come forward and say, Your Honor, this is a circus.
	Can we get a fair trial?
	Let's say, do you know how many times people...
	Where do you think...
	What planet, honey, do you want to go to?
	By the way, she...
	Listen to this.
	Was the head ADA under, I think, Cy Vance or whatever, but she knows her stuff.
	Her husband is Diddy's lawyer.
	Jay-Z's lawyer is Eric Adams' lawyer.
	Meanwhile, Shane's driving off the road in his Yugo.
	Once they link that gun, Now we're talking.
	Then all bets are off.
	Now, you want to go to the insanity defense?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	So let me get this.
	You're crazy.
	You're crazy.
	You don't know the difference between right and wrong.
	Is that what you're saying, Mr. Mangendaleone?
	You're saying you don't know under the McNaughton rule.
	You were so crazed, you don't know right from wrong.
	So let me ask you a question.
	When you were getting on your little bike and tooling away and speeding away and taking off your clothes, You were getting away because you knew it was wrong!
	Thank you!
	We're supposed to believe that because of your neck pain and you can't have sex and this and that, that you didn't know what was right or wrong.
	You weren't standing there yelling, who ordered the veal cutlet?
	Beam me up, Scotty!
	I got him!
	I took one from the team!
	That might be a good one!
	But putting in this and running and taking off and jumping on a bus...
	To get away, because as you know, in the jury instructions, flight is always a consideration.
	Just like with O.J. Simpson.
	When O.J. Simpson says, I wasn't, you were getting away.
	It's called retreat.
	So, this case is going nowhere.
	And you can, and by the way, gentlemen, I hate to hog this thing.
	You know and I know, since Richard Ramirez, remember him?
	He was the Night Stalker.
	Night Stalker.
	Yeah, I mean, by the way, he was the nastiest, skankiest, smelliest.
	But people loved him.
	He wrote the pentagram on his hand.
	And there were the hillside strangers, Bono and Bianchi.
	I don't think they had it.
	But people loved John Gotti.
	People loved the Menendez brothers.
	People have always found these bad boys, you know.
	And these twits.
	These Pencil neck little twits.
	These plurile little juveniscent tits who think all of a sudden, oh, I understand that he stood for something.
	He did not.
	He shot a guy who had nothing to do with whatever it was.
	One guy who basically was following orders and you did it in front of the world on cameras and you wrote Mr. Genius, Mr. Like the Leopold and Loeb.
	Now those were smart guys.
	This is a schmuck.
	This is Gomer Pyle here.
	He's writing this down.
	We got you.
	What is this?
	And they got you an Altoona at a McDonald's where they have cameras and all of the McDonald's cameras are on clouds with facial recognition.
	They can in one...
	I mean, I would mock him.
	Mock him.
	Stupid.
	He's a child.
	All his life, he thought he was smarter than people, and he's not.
	And another thing, too, is don't be surprised next if there are questions about, I'm just saying, questions about his sexuality.
	And look what that does, both to him and to his followers.
	Because remember, when we were going after bin Laden, theoretically, There was talk about them spreading the news that he was gay.
	Whether it's true or not, because they wanted to destroy the image in this very homophobic society.
	So anyway, that's a lot to...
	This is a lot to grasp.
	Alright, we've got a question from Bill.
	I'll put it to Tommy first, and then Lionel.
	Do you think Busby has an ace of spades up his sleeve, Tommy?
	I think he's a lot smarter than a lot of people give him credit for.
	You keep hearing people pop up, and I don't know whether or not it's because they're getting paid for it or what, but there's a narrative now of just how smart and intelligent the team over with Roc Nation is and how they're going to shred this hick lawyer from Texas, and I don't see it.
	I think this guy had a case against the people of BlackRock.
	I don't think he's terribly afraid of fighting with some wannabe gangsters from New York who honestly...
	I mean, it looks like they're breaking some laws in this, allegedly, right?
	They're sending people out with fake badges and whatever.
	But, yeah, I wouldn't count that guy out.
	And as far as Chuck Mangione goes, I didn't realize the guy couldn't have sex.
	That would have pissed me off, too.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, in his defense, that would make me angry.
	Now, by the way, just to bring you up to speed, my friend, don't forget Chuck's brother, the great Gap Mangione.
	One of the few, I mean, this is really arcane.
	We're going into the deep, dark recesses of rock lore.
	When you ask a very simple question, it doesn't matter how big you are.
	If I've got the case, if I bring somebody who's paralyzed in a wheelchair, who is blind, and says, hypothetically, Jay-Z did this to me.
	You did this.
	I want justice.
	I don't care who you are.
	The jury's going to say, how much?
	How much?
	Give me a pay.
	How much?
	How much you want?
	How many zeros?
	I don't care who you are, where you're from, where you went to law school.
	If you've got the witness and they're believable, why do you think Diddy settled so fast with Cassidy?
	What was that about?
	Because he was nice?
	You think somebody's...
	No!
	You can't...
	I mean, you...
	It takes you sometimes six months to get a doctor.
	I mean, just a number for you?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	See, this is ridiculous.
	The thing is, at some point, remember, what are you going to say?
	If I represented Jay-Z, I would say, what's the worst we're looking at?
	Tell me.
	What is this?
	What is it?
	He shot Jay-R?
	What did you do?
	He may have had unsolicited.
	He might have had what?
	Underage?
	Okay, now we're talking.
	Non-consensual?
	Let's say somebody's knocked out, like Bill Cosby.
	Or he's just a sleazebag.
	Ah, forget that.
	Let's take the worst case scenario.
	Underage.
	Okay, give me the evidence.
	Now I have a very tough time still.
	But this notion of the idea of anonymous.
	I understand it, so let's assume he gets to find out specifically, what did I do to anonymous?
	When?
	There was one individual who said, what, this was in 2003 or something?
	This one case, it didn't turn out.
	This was like 23 years ago.
	So you're going to bring in a 37-year-old woman?
	Who's going to take the stand and say, okay, tell me what happened?
	See, that's another thing, too.
	All of this can completely, it sounds terrible, say, oh, my God, this is terrible.
	Wait until you see her.
	What do you mean?
	I've talked to her.
	Wait until you see her.
	Yeah, but did you hear what she said?
	Wait until you see her.
	Okay, she gets on the stage, or the stage, well, kind of, no pun intended.
	She takes a stand, and she's terrible!
	She's unbelievable.
	She can't remember anything.
	She seems crazy.
	Don't talk about, you know, people thought in the case of E. Jean Carroll that she would never win against Trump because she seems crazy.
	Well, that doesn't always pay off.
	Sometimes you don't have to.
	Sometimes it kind of helps be a little bit crazy.
	But that's the second part.
	What are the allegations and what's the witness?
	And who's going to say, okay.
	She comes, she tells this terrible story.
	Okay, and then Jay-Z says, I don't know who the hell this woman is.
	What are you talking about?
	Who was president?
	I don't remember.
	What?
	Where was the party?
	Let's assume.
	Tell me the facts of the case.
	Going back to the original one.
	How did you get in?
	Did you want to get in?
	Did somebody grab you off the street?
	No, you, you, did you?
	What are the allegations?
	Pick them apart.
	And do it in a way.
	Where there's nothing worse when you...
	Do you remember at the end of the Army McCarthy hearings?
	Remember this when they said, who was it, Welch, who said, at long last, have you no decency?
	And you never forget this scene.
	After that, Joe McCarthy was yelling, and people just got up and just left.
	And they looked at him like...
	And there's nothing worse than, go ahead, what happened?
	Anything else?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you look at this person like, and if that jury says, oh my god, I don't care what it says, I don't care what the allegation is, let me ask you this, there's a certain degree of corroboration that is required, especially in the state of New York.
	What happened?
	Was there doctors?
	Was there psychiatrists, people at the time, who recalled this?
	Going back, by the way, to the case of E. Jean Carroll, this one case, one of the witnesses said, I remember when she called me on the phone.
	And I said, what's the matter with you?
	Exactly the night she was screaming, I was just a die.
	Called the police.
	That kind of helps.
	What do we have here?
	So before I was Jay-Z's lawyer, before I'm screaming and yelling at Busby, I'm going to say, take it easy.
	Not now.
	Don't lose your shame.
	This is just a weigh-in.
	We haven't even started anything yet.
	Let's see what we've got.
	What are we doing?
	Now, I will take Mr. Busby's case.
	Mr. Busby, you have, no matter how good you are, you have billions and billions.
	Remember Pelicano from L.A.?
	Those kind of...
	Anthony, whatever, Arthur Pelicano, whatever.
	He was the private eye of private eyes.
	He'd find dirt on you.
	He really...
	I would also say, now Mr. Busby, I understand something.
	Now they've got personal.
	So there's just one of you.
	But there's the entire billions and billions of people who have access to not only FBI, CIA, local, but every conceivable database you can imagine.
	If you picture feet of Poughkeepsie, where did that come from?
	If you ever did anything wrong, anything, you're going to think about this because now you've slapped them, you've hit them with a glove or they're thrown down the gauntlet, whatever the particular metaphor is, and they're going to come after you big time.
	Not just them, but the industry.
	Because I think we talked about this last time, Sean, the way I would point this out is, folks, This isn't the PGA.
	This isn't the NHL.
	Uh-uh.
	This is more than just two individuals.
	This has been going on since the beginning of time, since before the Beatles and the Stones.
	Remember the Led Zeppelin story that we heard about?
	No.
	Clara Bow.
	Go back.
	Go back to Chaplin.
	He had to leave.
	Go back.
	You know what this is about.
	This is more than just...
	And listen, anytime...
	There's no excuse to any kind of victimization of children.
	But you know and I know what this is about.
	You know and I know what this is about.
	And this isn't about, you know, just...
	This is about culture.
	Now, what I told you last time, Sean, was to black America.
	And not just, but for the most part.
	These are icons.
	This is the hero.
	This is the pantheon.
	These are great people.
	These are people who say, enough of this.
	You know, leave us alone.
	And the best part is, excuse me.
	These victims, I would venture to say, are the pan people too.
	So don't look too, you know what I mean?
	Because they're going to try to make this a race business.
	They're going to definitely do this.
	So anyway, the plot thickens.
	All right, viewers, I know a lot of you are waiting for Ronnie Bow news.
	We are waiting as well.
	We've got the lines open to Bev.
	We've got the lines open to Jag and everyone else.
	As it comes in, we will update you.
	We've got loads of questions coming about Diddy and Jay-Z.
	I'm getting near three hours now.
	I'm going to step down for bed and leave these guys on if they want to keep running with it.
	But a huge thank you to everyone.
	And all of the links for Lionel, Tommy, Jag, everyone.
	Are in the description box below this video.
	So I'll hand it over to Tommy and Lionel and Shane.
	And I will be back tomorrow.
	Thanks, guys.
	You wimp.
	Only three hours.
	When the going gets tough, Shane gets going.
	That's it.
	Working that time of year, too.
	He'll bring up the whole holiday thing.
	We're tired of hearing it.
	Okay, now he's gone.
	We can talk behind his back.
	By the way, quick story.
	Very quickly.
	This has nothing to do with it.
	Remember the show Taxi?
	Remember the episode where they went to Jim's house and it was Victor Bono playing Jim's father.
	He went to Harvard and he said and the Bono's or Jim's father's name was like Weatherington or something and he said Ignatowski where did you get that name?
	He said it's Starchild spelled backwards.
	He says no it's not.
	He says it's not.
	The writing on that show was genius.
	There's a guy on Facebook that I follow that's in the true crime community, and his name is Jim Ignatowski.
	I can't pronounce it.
	I kept wondering where I heard that name from, and as soon as you said taxi, I mean, I grew up watching that show, and it had to ring a few bells.
	My bells are slow to ring these days.
	Indeed.
	And then that same team did...
	A bunch of other stuff, right?
	They did Barney Miller.
	They did Friends.
	They did Cheers.
	And then we sold them our house.
	It was also one of the days when the theme song, Bob James, is called Angela.
	Angela is the theme song.
	On the Fender Road.
	And this is off of the Bob James, I think it's a touchdown.
	Then, Barney Miller...
	Heavy bass line.
	So what happens was, at some time, they said, we are giving up commercial time to this song.
	So now it's...
	That's it.
	CSI.
	There were times when we were growing up, here's this story, it's like three hours, and then came Johnny.
	Pelican's Island went on forever, and then one day, all right, let's go, let's go, come on, and then the storm, and then came COVID, and it predicted COVID, and, you know, but I can watch those shows over, over, over, and over, ensemble cast.
	We will never see the likes of that again.
	Never.
	I saw Danny DeVito.
	He and his daughter were on a talk show.
	And, dude, he looks great for his age.
	I mean, he's, you know, it's like he got to a certain look and he just stayed that way for the past 20 years.
	Right.
	Yeah, he's about 105, isn't he?
	He's been around a really long time.
	So he farts dust.
	Remember the old joke he was?
	But, you know, the whole Louis De Palma thing, when he was...
	I can watch those shows and still think to myself...
	And by the way, I'm not trying to...
	I think you're just being sentimental.
	But no, I don't think so.
	Now listen, I will tell you right now that The Sopranos changed everything.
	That was the last time they even had an appointment TV.
	So I'm not going to take anything away now.
	It's a different time.
	But those days were totally...
	Gentlemen, just to wrap this up, let me ask you your particular insight, because I came in late.
	If somebody from another planet came in right now and said, explain to me the significance of what's going on with Jay-Z or Diddy, what would you say?
	Why is this important?
	Who are these people?
	That's a great question.
	And the way I would answer that is, if somebody was brand new to this planet, I would say for the last at least 100 years, We have taken an element of our society and a kind of vocation.
	The people that entertain us, whether it's through sports or music or film or stage, and we've elevated them to such a level that they can literally get away with anything.
	They can get away with whatever they want.
	Bodies are found or whatever, but these people just continue to go on.
	And 2025, the reason this is such a huge story this time is because, in my opinion, When they say, how did he get away with this for 30 years?
	Because we as a society for 30 years said, who gives a shit?
	Right now we're a society that's actually saying, you know what, I think it's time that this stops.
	I feel like it's a paradigm shift and that's why we're talking about it.
	I'd do it an easy way.
	I'd show a picture of Jay-Z and Diddy and say, this is the worst of us.
	And then for the religious folks, and I'm not so much so, but show a picture of Jesus or the Bible and show that's the best of us.
	That's the easiest way to describe it.
	See, the defense lawyer in me loves to sit there and say, I think they are not, put it this way, they are not, I don't want to know these people.
	I couldn't tell you, with the exception of New York, Empire, whatever, but that's Alicia Keys.
	But aside from that, I couldn't tell you one thing that doesn't even matter.
	What I hate is when all of a sudden we talk about something which is Nobody wants to talk about.
	You could not have this happen without groupies.
	You could not have this happen without people who throw themselves.
	The guy that I would want to focus my attention on is what happened to Justin Bieber.
	That's the one that I think.
	Now, short of that, and I don't anyway tell you, let me tell you this, you can't victim blame or anything like that.
	And in the case of somebody who's 13 years old, but let's assume that I portray a story, I said, let me tell you what it's like to be Jay-Z.
	You don't know what this is like.
	You don't know what this is like.
	Mick Jagger may know, kind of, but I am a guy.
	Do you know I had to hire security to keep women off me?
	Let me show you.
	I have that problem.
	I have that problem all the time.
	I can see why.
	That's why you have to hide behind that submarine portal.
	Exactly.
	Let me tell you the times when I have been accused of paternity or I found women in my home.
	You don't know what this is like.
	Did TMZ cover that?
	No.
	Did I sue anybody because of that?
	No.
	Do you know what it's like?
	I go into a party and there's nine million people there all wanting me.
	So, okay, I'm young and I'm stupid and I'm drunk.
	And I walk into a room.
	It's pitch black or dark.
	I don't know who these people are.
	I didn't bring them.
	I don't know what they're doing there.
	And they're throwing themselves at me.
	Now, I am not a priest.
	I am not a mom.
	I guess I'm a kind of a...
	Regular sort of a person.
	And I'm telling you, maybe I should have been a little bit more careful in my predispositions to this stuff.
	But I did not go after children.
	I don't know who's who.
	Now, you know and I know, when it comes to strict liability, there is no defense.
	There is no defense.
	If I don't know about you or most people, But I will venture to say you've never seen a driver's license of people you have been romantically involved with because there was no need to.
	I mean, but for all you knew, if I said, hey, guess what?
	This person you were with, guess how old?
	Twelve.
	What?
	And that's it.
	You can say, but I never...
	It doesn't work.
	Like you think it works.
	My God needs the test.
	Yo, yo, sorry to interrupt everybody.
	Can we just put one in the side chat if you would like to collectively, just because it's Christmas, collectively try and just try a little bit of seasonal manifestation with me.
	There's 4,000 people watching.
	Okay, I'm going to put a picture up on the screen right now.
	And we're just all, just for fun.
	Okay?
	Because, you know, this is all just hocus-pocus, right?
	This is all just nonsense, right?
	So let's all just look at this picture on the screen and just focus and just push all that positive energy towards Mr. Ronnie Bowe.
	Okay, imagine as if we're all getting a nice little bit of pizza dough, right?
	A little bit of protective pizza dough, and we're all just kind of...
	Put our little blobs of pizza dough together in this beautiful, enlightened dome of goodness.
	So let's just all close our eyes and just take some deep breaths and just push that positive energy and that positive manifestation out.
	4,000 of us just pushing that out.
	We'll just do this for maybe a minute.
	And then we'll get back to our awesome, awesome live stream.
	Just a few more seconds.
	all right thank you everybody i will keep you all updated uh sorry for just jumping in on you there boys appreciate you we're uh we're in the middle of no i'm just kidding sorry we're uh we're we're in the middle of it
	I think we put pizza dough on him.
	Is he okay?
	What the hell is going on here?
	Doing a neat little thing for Ronnie Bowe.
	I thought he was staying, though.
	I didn't know he just wanted to take off.
	Is he okay?
	Do we know?
	Ron?
	Yeah, Ron's fine.
	No, no, not Ron.
	That Ron's fine.
	Ronnie Bowe, we do not know.
	At this moment, we don't know.
	I've tried to call his phone multiple times that I've gotten it where it was kicked the voicemail like it was off, and then this time I called, it got delivered, so it got the message, but nobody's responded yet.
	Okay, because if somebody just tuned in, that looked like an in-memoriam or something.
	I'm going to make sure we don't confuse somebody with all this.
	Oh, no.
	Ron's got crazy stuff he does sometimes, and he was doing that just then.
	Okay.
	That's probably not the best way to word it, but I call it crazy stuff, but I believe now.
	I'm a believer now.
	Believer in what?
	Miss Bev came on earlier, and Miss Bev does the crystals and all that neat stuff.
	Long and short of it, earlier, Jaguar Wright and Ronnie are both in Illinois.
	So Miss Bev had no clue of that conversation, and she pictured Ronnie being in Chicago.
	He is in Chicago.
	She didn't know that.
	And Ron does some of the same things with his beliefs and all, too.
	So he was just kind of saying, I guess, what we would consider a prayer and, you know, good energy kind of thing for him.
	But yeah, that's the best way I can describe it.
	But I don't know, man.
	It's crazy.
	I've got some documents I'll send you, Lionel, too, that Ronnie was supposedly speaking to a former CIA agent who was harassing him.
	I sent him really off-the-wall text messages and then sort of threatening towards the end of it.
	Jaguar's got him.
	I've got him.
	And also a summons or a legal document that he was being hauled into court for something from October that he sent me about a week ago, and I didn't see it.
	It was on his other phone.
	Just weird, crazy messages.
	I don't believe the guy's in the CIA, but he does work for the government.
	I found his Facebook.
	He's a postman.
	Everything on there is definitely 100%.
	I mean, it looks like it's legit.
	Well, I say this with all due respect.
	I sometimes have jumped in, and I don't know what the hell anybody's talking about, so I back off.
	If you don't know the background there is, because as you know, sometimes there's a momentum.
	That can create, or that is created, that to me is rather confusing.
	So, I'll leave it at that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	It's also kind of moving at a, you know, this is, nobody seems to really, everyone is concerned, but not a lot of people, you know, know much.
	So, we spend a lot of time speculating, but Ferraro is a good idea.
	Nothing wrong with that.
	Well, and the good thing is, I mean, we hadn't heard anything since Monday.
	Ron actually talked to him or talked to someone on his phone last night.
	So it's better than what we thought.
	I mean, last night to now could be anything.
	He could be traveling.
	He could be with family.
	He could just have bad service.
	So it's not, you know.
	It's a little off the ball.
	He did message one viewer or one of the people that are part of the community that he needed $40.
	He and his girl were on the outs, and he needed a place to stay or to get a room.
	That was the last communication we thought we had with him, but he did talk to Ron last night, and it was in lingo that he and Ronnie share as opposed to it being somebody else trying to mimic being Ronnie.
	So, I don't know, man.
	This is just odd, just in the face of all that we're looking at right now.
	Well, gentlemen, I wish you nothing the best.
	Merry Christmas, I guess, post a Happy New Year, Happy Hanukkah.
	Do we do Kwanzaa anymore in this country?
	Do you remember when Kwanzaa was?
	It just started on a Tuesday, and by Thursday, it was just gone.
	It depends on your nationality, I guess.
	Yeah, Kwanzaa's still a big thing in this country, as far as I know of.
	Well, put it in the hallmark store, they've got everything.
	National Administrative Assistance Day, National Grandparents Day, Kwanzaa Brothers.
	By the way, just to leave you with this one thing, keep this in mind.
	Officially, I'm here in New York City with my wife and the drone situation is over because we forgot about it.
	We lose steam.
	So the key to everything, whether it's diddy, this, drones, You heard this horrible story.
	This woman set afire on the subway.
	This is just...
	And the police officer walking by like...
	There's a YouTuber that I used to be a moderator for.
	The way I read his post, he was on the subway when it happened.
	And he's headed on his channel, but I haven't seen any more since.
	He stepped away from YouTube and everything.
	I want to get in touch with him.
	I haven't talked to him in a couple of years, but just to see if that was actually true or if he was doing it for clickbait, because it would be awful if it was.
	Tommy, what part of the country are you, roughly?
	I'm in Maryland.
	I'm on the East Coast.
	Shane's on the East Coast.
	And Tommy?
	I'm in Arizona currently.
	I'm from the Northeast, but I'm currently in Tucson, Arizona.
	Yeah, I'm in Arizona.
	Witness Protection, kind of you and Sammy Duvall?
	Yes, so you've heard.
	That's right.
	Safe and sound tucked up here in Arizona.
	There we go.
	Well, gentlemen, thank you so much.
	I'm going to beg off.
	Have a great and glorious day, Shane.
	Tommy, all the best.
	And to all of our listeners, happy holidays.
	Talk to you soon, I hope.
	Yes, Lionel, thanks for stopping in, buddy.
	Appreciate you.
	Have a great day.
	Tommy, what do you think about that?

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