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June 6, 2024 - Lionel Nation
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Bernard Giles: Inside the Mind of A Depraved Monster and How Ordinary the Devil Looks
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First, my friends, some viewer discretion.
This is a very serious subject.
This is about serial killers and what makes them who they are.
This is about psychopathy.
This is about criminal deviance.
It's about a lot of things.
But I want you to understand, first and foremost, this is not me glorifying this.
I'm not fans of theirs.
I'm not in any way a serial killer groupie or anything along those lines.
All on the contrary.
They are predators and must be removed and ablated from society permanently.
And you can get into arguments about What particular penalty might be best?
But they cannot be reintegrated into society.
They are anomalous.
They are horrible.
They are human cancers.
And as such, they need to be removed.
Now, that being said, I have been fascinated by these people for the longest time.
In my 42nd year of Yeah, practicing law from a prosecutor, dealing with these people, seeing their aftermath, seeing what they do, and especially being around when the notion of the profiler came along and how we became into that with Silence of the Lambs and all this question.
But I've always wanted to do this, and I've always wanted to answer the following questions.
Why do they do it?
Explain to me their thinking.
Explain to me the way they act.
What do they want?
There are people who are in prison who are the worst of the worst of the worst of the worst.
And they've never done this.
They have no indication.
They have no inkling.
They have no desire to go out and serially expunge people from the world.
They don't.
I've never seen anything like it.
They don't do this for reasons I don't understand.
There are people who are horrible, who've done terrible things, and they might in fact be murderers, but the idea of being a serial killer, and there's different definitions, three or more within a particular period of time, with adequate cooling off periods and that sort of thing, versus a spree killer versus a mass murderer.
They're a different breed altogether.
Okay.
So the question remains, why?
Why?
Somebody explain to me why.
Why do they want to do this?
And I've never understood it.
Other things I kind of sort of understand.
This I don't.
What's the purpose?
What is satiated?
What is quelled?
What is addressed?
What is it you want to...
To what?
What is it?
To possess someone ultimately via their life?
What?
Okay.
Enough with the poetic.
In 2019, I believe, Piers Morgan, who is no big shakes for me, but interesting from time to time, he Absolutely knocked it out of the park.
Well, his guest did.
With a man by the name of Bernard Giles, or Bernard.
Bernard, George Bernard Shaw, they made it sound almost like Bernard Giles.
And this is the feller that we're going to be talking about now.
And I have been wanting to introduce this to you for the longest time, but I've been busy doing other things.
Take a good look at him.
Mr. Bernard here.
Looks normal.
Looks like somebody you would see.
He's an electrician.
I don't know what you think the devil looks like, but this is the devil.
And he's so ordinary, it's not even funny.
And I still never understood what it was that made him do this.
What was it?
I kept waiting.
And I've never heard anybody ever really describe it, except for this.
And it was finally like, I got it.
I got it.
When you think of what evil looks like, you will see that this fellow is the most unevil-looking person there is.
And if you saw him on the street, he's very calm.
He is the prototypical psychopath, except...
For all of the other aspects like being glib and being calculating, but in having a head and heart disconnect, he is it.
He is it.
So, let us begin with this incredibly fascinating piece with my commentary, which I'm warning you now, I will interrupt this repeatedly to make a point.
*Music*
I mean, there'll be viewers watching this going, this guy was apparently normal, late teenage guy.
He's got married, he's got a little baby girl.
Life seems fine, and yet, ticking away is this...
horrific time bomb.
Now, before we start, remember what this guy did.
This was 1973.
1973, he was about 20 years old or something like that, 20. He was in Titusville, Florida, which is right around Cape Kennedy, Cape, you know, that area.
He was a guy who, during the course of this thing from, let me see, from 1973, so he was, you know, 20 years old.
20 years old, and he went to one, two, Nancy Gary, Jerry, Paula Hamrick, Carolyn Bennett, Sharon Weimer, and Krista Melton.
One, two, three, four, five.
Five in almost three months.
So right off the bat, he breaks every rule there is.
Everything that people always say about what is the classic and the prototypical serial killer.
It's a period of time.
It's extended three months.
Now, did he explode?
I don't know.
Because what Piers Morgan is doing is he's leading the witness.
Ask him what he thinks.
Don't tell him what he thinks.
Don't anticipate it.
And that's very frequently been the case.
That you have people that they present as perfectly normal.
Now, he said people, not him, He's detached.
People who present.
Ah, this is medical speak.
People who present.
Isn't that interesting?
And again, he speaks about these people.
Let me see if I can explain these people to you.
Not me, mind you, but these people.
Immediately, this guy's head, his brain, His thinking and his heart, his compassion, his connection, not even connected.
You know, you're looking for these sort of trigger points.
Where is that trigger?
Okay.
I don't know this gentleman.
I'm sure he knows far more about this than I do.
But why is there a trigger point?
When you mean trigger, what made him do it?
Or something that made him snap?
I don't know if you're snapping.
What happens, and it may very well have been the stresses he felt in being married, being a 19, 20-year-old guy with a child.
Wait!
Again, let me start off by saying this.
Why is that the cause for this?
Did he say this?
I don't know.
What if Giles says, no, there's no stress.
I just wanted to do this.
I would have done this no matter what.
What took some people three, four years to do?
My God, a Green River Killer took I don't know how many years.
I did it right away.
I didn't blow up.
Yeah, there was stress as I was married, but that's not it.
Why do we assume that?
Why do we say that?
And really, you can see him here.
He's not really equipped to be dealing with marriage, let alone a baby.
This probably caused a tremendous amount of stress for him.
Now, how do you know he's not a...
He could have been a great...
Again, how do we know this?
It might be for the fact that he's been in prison for how long?
Was he 20 years old at the time?
He's 71. I mean, you know, when you're in jail for 50 years in prison, it kind of can affect you.
Again, we're reading too much into this.
Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.
And I'm not surprised that these killings started really within a month or two after the birth of his child.
Why?
I'm sorry, I'm not laughing.
Why?
What does it have to do with anything?
How many people have kids?
How many people have, they don't know what to do, they think about kids and wives and families and mortgages and trailers, and they don't do this.
The question is, why does he take that?
Okay, admitted stress.
And why does he take it out on innocent women?
The question is, why does he take it out on innocent women?
In October 1973, Bernard Giles drove out of this trailer park.
Trailer park.
That's all I got to say.
Onto this highway.
His intention?
To hunt down and kill his first victim.
Are you sure about that?
Did he tell you that?
Or did it just happen?
Sometimes these things are opportunistic.
Sometimes they're the hunt.
Do we know this?
He was looking for hitchhikers, unsuspecting girls, who back then never imagined accepting a lift from a stranger would get them killed.
Isn't it always something that whenever you see the picture, maybe then, of somebody who is a murder victim, whenever you see a picture that is grainy, poorly done, far away, you know it's a murder scene.
You know.
Maybe not now.
But then you knew nobody ever had a photo of anyone other than a photo that basically said, by virtue, and I'm not mocking this, but you knew this then.
You knew that's where this story's going.
That day that you went out when you did kill for the first time, was that the morning when you woke up and you were with your wife and daughter and you just, something hit you and you went, no.
Today may be the day.
You hear this?
He says, no, no, it's not the way it happens.
Every day may be the day.
You hear that?
There's no snapping.
There's no snapping.
This is an instinct, a bad, a propensity, a behavior.
It's there.
It's not going to spring.
It's just there.
You know, a snake doesn't attack because it sprung.
It's what snakes do.
Some animals are predatory.
Nothing personal.
They're predatory.
Every day?
Every day.
Maybe the day.
Do you know the name of your first victim?
No, sir.
Not now.
Jerry.
Nancy Jerry.
You knew.
Do you know anything about her life?
I found out later.
She was a singer in a bar.
Now listen, right off the bat, hear that?
She was a singer in a bar.
Now, I don't want to do the whole Madonna prostitute thing.
I don't want to do this.
I don't want to do the idea or read into it like some of these people that he didn't like women.
Women were there to be either respected or not.
I don't want to read into it.
But interesting, again, he's talking about somebody he barely knows.
Oh, she was a young woman, a mother, a sister, a friend.
No, she was a singer in a bar.
You know, a bar, some chanteuse in a tavern.
That was it?
That was it.
That's step one.
These people mean nothing to him.
Something personal.
These mean nothing.
Nothing.
That empathy, pity you have, he doesn't have it.
It's because I keep saying this, his head and his heart are disconnected.
Tell me what happened.
We picked her up in Titusville.
There's a wooded area and I pulled off the road.
What does she look like?
A little shorter than me.
Fairly well built.
Okay, I want to go to this one part.
I want to go to this one part.
And rather than the specifics, this is the moment when it hit me.
And I'm sorry I did not...
Very stimulated, very...
Okay, here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go.
This is the part.
Again, I've been waiting for a long time to understand crimes.
To understand it.
I wanted to understand how this works.
And I want you to hear the feeling as you do that Very Very stimulated, very provoked, very...
Now this is the part, again, this is the thing, this is the moment.
I don't want to make a big deal out of it to the point where I'm saying, oh, the epiphany light, but the epiphany light, the I understand.
I mean, the thing is, you know, what is your passion in your life?
What is your passion?
Look at Piers.
I wonder if he's even listening.
Because this is something that I've never heard before.
What is the thing that you like to do more than anything else?
That you like to do more.
And you're doing it.
You are so there.
That it, you can almost, it's like you can see the atoms vibrating.
I mean, it's just, it's difficult to describe.
That's it.
You can see the atoms vibrating.
This is, this is the part, this is the part which I find so interesting because it answers the question of what normal people do.
And it answers the question of what abnormal people do.
He's abnormal.
He's not this, you know, bloodthirsty, scary-looking person.
He's not anything, but he probably shares that we have a passion.
First, to have something in us.
That we can't control.
Where being caught, being apprehended, mean nothing to him.
It means nothing to him.
You got it?
It means nothing.
Nothing scares him.
Nothing.
So he's going to go beyond it.
He's going to fight all of the normal instincts to say, I can't do this.
I'm going to get caught.
I'm going to be deprived of liberty for the rest of my life.
No, no.
This is something.
I can't control this.
And this Brings me this there.
I was so there.
The atoms vibrating.
Wow!
That's what it is.
That's it.
Nobody's ever explained it.
Nobody's ever talked about, you know, the hunt.
But what about the hunt?
Even hunters, I mean, I don't know if they feel like this.
This is a depravity.
This is a behavior so antithetical to humanity, so monumentally horrible.
And there are more of them than you can think, and we're making more of them, and interesting.
Statistics will show you.
They say normally, I don't know, normally later, like 25, 29, or whatever it is, white male, women don't do this.
I don't know about other ethnicities, African American or Latino, maybe in other countries.
It's not at all a rarity.
People have said, this is a fairly new phenomenon.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's been around because we didn't have ways of collecting information and that sort of thing.
But two things.
Number one, how do you spot future Bernard Giles?
Because here's the thing.
Whatever he went through, he had lived in a trailer, married, daughter, going through stress.
Other people have that in spades.
Other people have drug addictions.
Other people have alcohol abuse.
Other people have themselves been the victim of abuse as a child.
We don't know about that with him.
Other people growing up have exhibited the classic Troika, the triad, the trio of behaviors.
Enduresis, bedwetting.
Arson, lighting fires, and teasing or hurting animals.
They always talk about that.
Other people have done the same things, never turned into a Bernard Giles.
Other people have been, none of this.
You can go to prisons, you can see these most horrible people.
These are the 1% or whatever it is.
Why?
What did it?
Okay, so I understand how he felt.
I understood it as I, okay, it wasn't just, I see the victim, I want to dispose of the victim, I don't want to expunge the victim.
No, it's the excitement, the ultimate.
Okay, fine.
But what is it that takes a regular person and says, this is something that I'm willing to die for?
Absolutely fascinating.
The subject has...
I keep saying fascinated because it's true.
There's no other word.
It's so incredibly interesting because you wonder...
How is it that what you and I take for granted, this person doesn't even know?
And look how the head and the heart are disconnected.
No connection whatsoever.
It means nothing.
Others are more sadistic.
And by the way, it shows the variability.
You had the glib talking, you know, Ted Bundy and there was a BTK and Raider and Ridgeway and the Night Stalker.
They're all different and they're all, they basically do the same thing.
But this fellow, this fellow probably explained it better than anybody else from a person who was so laconic.
What do you think?
So taciturn.
So dead.
Dead.
Head and heart disconnected.
What do you think, my friends?
Let me know what you think.
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And again, I'm not glorifying these people.
I despise them.
I never want to meet this person.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's like looking at some wild animal in a shelter or some pen or something.
No, no, no, no.
This isn't Hannibal Lecter.
This is far more insidious.
So what do you think, my friends?
What causes this?
What would be your take?
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