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May 12, 2024 - Lionel Nation
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Talk Radio Is Dead: WABC Fired Bob Grant 28 Years Ago and Now They've Canned Rudy
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Ladies and gentlemen, dear friends, talk radio is dead.
Now, I know that's not going to surprise most of you, but to a lot of people, I think they don't really understand it.
It's dead.
WABC is dead.
It is a star that once burned bright in the firmament.
It is no longer.
There is no WABC of yore.
You get a version of this now.
It's like a new Coke or when they try to, like when an old company goes out of business and somebody says, yeah, I'm going to go back and I'm going to try to bring that back.
You know what I mean?
Sometimes it works.
Sometimes it doesn't.
Hey, I'm going to go back.
I remember WABC when I was a kid growing up in the 50s and 60s.
I'm going to bring it back today.
I'm going to go back and have on Cousin Brucie.
A lot of people are dead, but I have this image of what it was.
When I was a kid, when I was younger, and I want to own this because that's a piece of real estate in the, kind of the New York market, WABC, all Beatles C, remember that, WABC, oh my God, Dan Ingram and Chuck Leonard, and oh my God, it was wonderful.
It is, and I'm going to bring it back, and I'm going to own it.
Until somebody tells me to shut up.
And then I'm gonna kill it.
Because I love WABC, but not that much.
I mean, I'm no fool.
Look, I'm a billionaire.
This is like a vanity project for me.
This is like, you know, I don't really, I mean, I'm not gonna win or lose.
I just, I've got a big red dot on me.
And it's true.
This is the owner, John Katsimatidis, who is a billionaire.
A billionaire.
And he says, I'm not a fool, but I'm going to kind of own this, but I'm going to start limiting.
And whatever that excitement that WABC had, it's over.
There's this sense of when Bob Grant, 28, no.
Yeah, 28 years ago.
He was fired when Bob Grant and in the old days, Howard Stern.
You didn't know what he was going to say.
Oh, those days are over.
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Now, my friends, the story is about Rudy Giuliani.
Rudy Giuliani, who is, well, was, I think, the greatest mayor that we have ever seen based upon what he did.
Maybe second might be LaGuardia.
Third might even be, believe it or not, Ed Koch.
Believe it or not.
But here is the deal.
Rudy Giuliani was a savior.
Rudy Giuliani is brash.
He was attention gathering.
He didn't like when Bill Bratton, the commissioner, kind of took a little bit of the credit with that Time magazine photo of Rudy standing behind Bill Bratton.
Oh, no, no, no.
Rudy Giuliani was great.
He turned the city around like you cannot believe.
And you don't turn the city around by being a wallflower, by being a scaredy cat, okay?
You understand that?
That's who Rudy Giuliani was.
He took on everyone, and you may not think this is true, or whether he did this because of Blakey, whether Chertoff ran the show, but he took on the five families of the mob.
That's extremely dangerous.
And it was when the mob was a little bit...
It's not like the mob now.
It mattered.
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In any event, Rudy was the greatest ever.
Make a long story short, Rudy got out and did his thing and he became aligned with Trump.
Now let me start by saying this.
Rudy and others were now a part of the Do you believe the 2020 election was fixed?
Because you're telling Rudy Giuliani at WABC, we told you, do not say anything about this.
Here is the letter.
A copy of it in part.
And the New York Post has it.
Let me read this to you.
Very interesting.
And it reads something as follows.
Let me read this.
Okay.
From Red Apple Media, via email, Dear Rudy, formal letter regarding 2020 election allegations.
Bold.
I'll read the first letter.
This letter serves To remind you that you are prohibited from engaging in conversations relating to the 2020 presidential elections on your programs broadcast on WABC radio and otherwise in your capacity as an agent of the station.
You cannot listen to this.
Talk Radio, Red Apple Media, WABC.
Just seeing those words, it causes my...
It was like, wow!
WABC.
You are prohibited from engaging in conversations relating to...
The 2020 presidential election on your program.
You mean how much fun I had?
No.
You mean how great the elections were?
Well, you know.
These topics include, but are not limited to, the legitimacy of the election, allegations of fraud effectuated by election workers, and your personal lawsuits relating to those allegations.
Tie.
Here are your hands.
Tie them.
But other than that, Rudy, have a great day.
Freedom of speech.
Yeah!
Okay.
Talk radio is dead.
Dead!
Through!
Finished!
Done!
Over!
Finished!
And there's going to be another one, too.
I don't know.
But I wouldn't be surprised.
And you know people are, you know they're getting this one.
And it says, excuse me, do not say anything in support of Palestinians.
Now, I'm not saying that's the case of WABC, but would it surprise you?
Excuse me, do not say anything like that.
Why?
Because Bibi Netanyahu runs our programming.
And Dominion and Spartanatic.
But if Rudy says, excuse me, I'm not going to mention any companies.
I think the whole election sucked.
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not going to mention people in particular.
There was just...
Call Dinesh D'Souza, our good friend.
People in Philly bringing in late night these...
No.
No, you don't understand.
We need election integrity monitors.
No.
I don't want you talking about, but President Trump is saying that he wants to talk about it.
No.
I can't talk about Trump, too.
According to that letter, relating to.
This is the most incredible thing anybody's ever seen.
As far as YouTube censorship, that I do not know, sir.
I do not know.
I don't know about that.
I heard people saying, showing allegations of Philadelphia and they put the cardboard up and...
What?
They didn't say anything.
I don't know of any YouTube rule that said relating to...
Relating to...
Listen, I'm going to say knock on one, but YouTube's been pretty okay lately in allowing people to talk about everything.
Regarding Ukraine, vaccines, Palestine, Israel.
I mean, you know what I mean?
But think about this.
Think about what he's saying.
Now, what John, again, I don't know this man from Adam.
This is what I would say.
Excuse me, I'm a billionaire.
I don't give a shit about WABC.
Okay, I said I did.
It was kind of a, yeah, I mean, it's like a...
It's like a vanity project.
You know what I mean?
Some people have a boat.
I have a radio station.
I can come in and I can have...
Have you ever heard some of the radio he's done?
Dear, with all due respect, please, it is the most horrible radio you have ever heard, but he runs the show and they kiss his ass like you can't believe, as is always the case.
Oh!
Oh!
You have no...
I have...
You have no...
When you're a billionaire, they kiss your ass like you cannot...
I mean, it's disgusting how anybody can even tolerate it.
But it's not just him.
It's anybody.
Elon Musk, this and that.
Look, that's the way it goes.
Whoa.
You want to see capitalism, my friend.
And supposedly, there is a connection to, as to the Republican Party, there is no Republican Party!
And with all due respect, and I mean this sincerely, I've known this man for 30 plus years.
When they put up Curtis Sliwa against Eric Adams, That was an Eric, don't worry.
Yeah, we're going to put Curtis up against you.
You're okay.
Oh, they love, they love, it's not just Casabatini.
They love Eric Adams.
Why?
Because he's an idiot!
And he'll do whatever you want!
And he's still, he just loves the glitz and the glamour.
I'm in Italy now.
Stay there.
I'm, uh, I'm, I'm, I've got my, I'm at the Met Gala.
Hey!
Bo Deedle got me a table at Rayo's.
I mean, this may kind of be too inside for you, but you have no idea.
I mean, we all know this.
Eric Adams is not corrupt.
He's just stupid.
And these folks saw him.
Oh, they had fundraisers in the Hamptons.
Come on, Eric.
You're our friend.
Eric Adams was.
Remember the FBI thing?
Same thing they did with Diddy.
They pull you in, they search stuff, and you never hear from them again.
That's to tell people, hey, we got him.
We're watching him.
You got that?
You got that?
We're watching him.
Got that, Diddy?
We're watching him.
They don't arrest anymore.
They just stop you, seize your stuff, and then tell people, he's working for us.
All right, you got that?
Diddy's working for them.
Eric Adams, he's ours.
Think about that when you call him on the phone.
That's all I'm saying.
I mean, come on.
It's ridiculous.
This is the most ridiculous thing anybody's ever seen.
So Rudy Giuliani does his show.
Now, Rudy also could be a pain in the ass.
And Rudy also got into a pissy match with him and said, basically, you don't tell me what to do.
And they're texting each other.
Texting is the worst thing in the world.
You need to have people in front of you.
You need to sit down with them and say, let me explain this thing to you.
Rudy, I am not going to be a defendant in the Dominion case.
You got that?
I'm a billionaire.
And I don't get to be a billionaire by basically going up to people who are litigious and who just are just...
Fox News rolled over.
No balls.
They didn't even go to trial and call a witness.
They would have said, listen, do me a favor.
Right before...
You rest, settle with them.
But let's make them sweat a little bit.
Let's see what happens.
Put the case on.
See what happens.
This thing could fall apart for all you know.
They could pull a Stormy Daniels.
Fox News didn't have any guts at all.
They told everybody, get out.
Tucker, get out.
See what they do?
It's dead.
And my favorite one is now Sean Hannity thinks that he's telling you what to do because...
There's some story where, I guess on his show, he's told people, hey, stay away from Bobby Kennedy.
He's no, and I can understand that because he, I think it would help Biden in some cases more than Trump.
But anyway, we can argue about that.
But Sean Hannity's got this crazy thing to say, hey, listen, don't you, don't you support him?
Excuse me.
Do you think you carry any weight anymore?
You work for an organization that's a sellout.
You and NBC.
Are indistinguishable regarding Palestine.
It's not even...
When I heard Kilmeade or whoever one of those people say, Palestine, there's no Palestine.
What is this?
Anti-Semitic.
You would go along with anti-Semitic legislation, which is another thing we've got.
We've got people...
Listen to this.
We have anti-Semitic legislation.
Being proposed in the Congress.
Freedom of speech is dead.
Back to Rudy.
Rudy figures, I'm going to be 80 years old.
Screw it.
I got 183, I don't know how much longer I'm going to have.
I'm going out with a bang.
The hell with it.
And Katsimatidis, to be fair, said, this kind of scares me.
And to be fair, we don't know how many times Katsimatidis may have said, now look, Rudy, please!
Please, take it easy.
They already...
And by the way, they're not going to get any money out of him.
They're going to get money out of Katsimatidis.
So he did the right thing.
It's not scratching our head, but WABC is dead.
Now let me tell you what happened to a guy named Bob Grant years ago.
Oh dear God.
They went after Bob Grant with...
They finally got him.
In 96. They finally got Bob Grant.
I'll never forget this.
I happen to be listening.
That's when the last time I listened to talk radio was during the days of Bob Grant.
And it was April the 3rd.
It was April the 3rd.
And Grant was making an observation.
It was on April the 3rd.
And it was involving the crash of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown.
And Grant was talking to a guy named Carl Limbacher.
And Carl Limbacher was Carl of Oyster Bay.
Great guy, knew more about, he had won the bet.
He was a genius regarding Hillary Clinton and whatever.
Anyway, he said, quote, And this is important.
He said, quote, my hunch is that Brown is the one survivor.
I just have that hunch.
Maybe it's because at heart, I'm a pessimist.
When Brown was found dead, Grant's comments were widely criticized.
And weeks later, after a media campaign, his contract was terminated.
And his last show was April the 16th.
1996.
Where he broadcast from the Rio Diner.
He was fired the next day after there was an autograph signing of his book Let's Be Heard.
And they went after him.
Politicians who Grant had assisted such as Christy Todd Whitman, Rudy Giuliani.
Would never appear on the show.
George Pataki appeared, I think, one more time.
But they just thought this guy was radioactive.
Now, the best part about this whole thing was this is the most important.
And then, of course, this was also great, too, because that paved the way for the luckiest man on the planet, Sean Hannity.
Get rid of him.
Same thing for anybody who follows Rush Limbaugh and Bill O 'Reilly.
Believe me.
God bless him.
God bless him.
This was the thing.
See, Vince Foster, Carl from Oyster Bay.
Oh, that name.
This is when talk radio was great.
It was exciting.
You listened every day to hear what Bob Grant was going to say.
It was scary sometimes.
It was kind of scary.
You said, what's this guy going to say?
Bob Grant said some things that were just whatever.
But turn it off.
Was he a racist?
Maybe.
Turn it off.
But then, the shit hit the fan.
There was this New York Times...
No, excuse me.
New York Magazine promotion.
Was it Conrad Muhammad or somebody?
One issue had Bob Grant.
The other issue had Conrad Muhammad.
In the old days, ABC, the greatest programmer...
Well, some of the best in the world was a fellow named John Minnelli.
And John Minnelli fought like a tiger to defend Grant and defend free speech.
If you don't like it, hang up.
There was a...
We had some other great people as well.
It was just a wonderful place to work.
It was really rocking and rolling and humming.
Scott Shannon was running a PLJ that was a powerhouse.
Don Belucas ran the stations.
I mean, it was terrific.
It was so exciting.
And Minnelli backed you up.
The other great radio person, the genius, Randy Michaels.
Oh!
Oh!
This was radio when it was so great.
Randy Michaels in Tampa, we had a station, Q105.
Q105 was for the longest time the powerhouse.
Q105.
Scott Shannon used to be Q105 and he left and went to New York.
But Q105.
And there was a station in Tampa, the Tampa Bay area, called 93.3.
It was your...
Paradise, your oldies.
One of these moldy oldie things.
Randy Michaels gets on the air, opens up the mic.
Opens up the mic on this station nobody's listening to.
93.3.
Paradise or whatever, some stupid thing.
And he says, okay, Q105, listen and listen good.
You've got until Friday to pay us a million dollars or we're going to switch formats and go up against you.
This was the biggest thing.
What?
This was 90...
I don't know when it was.
95?
Who knows?
It was in the 90s.
And...
It was radio like you cannot...
They had the...
When Bubba the Love Sponge was there.
After Bubba's...
I swear to God, after his show, you come into the station the next day and there's undergarments and clothing all over.
It was wild.
We had a Coke machine with beer in it.
I can't tell you what people gave each other for Christmas presents.
It was wild.
It was KRP.
It was the best place in the world.
Anyway, so Randy Michaels gets on there and he tells the world, okay, it's Tuesday.
You got until Friday.
We're telling you.
We're telling you, Q105, you better switch formats or we're coming after you.
Well, no, no.
Pay us a million dollars.
Excuse me.
And next thing you know, he's picking up the phone, calling the media people or saying, hey, Q105, did you hear about this?
What?
They're threatening you.
What?
And it became the talk of the town.
It was on TV.
They're talking about the news.
What about this?
Oh, my God.
People are asking me, you work at this, AC?
Yeah, because we were the AM side of this.
Anyway, they switched, and they became the power pig.
And they said, show us your pig.
And they were basically, you know what the pig was?
Flipping people off, the middle finger.
That was, hey, show us your pig.
And that was it.
And parents were getting upset.
Our kids were going around, and they took hearses and old trucks, and they painted them pink.
It was this gaudy pink power pig.
It looked like it was graffiti, and it was dirty, and it was great.
And kids are, you know, loving it because it was one.
Remember when you had a picture of your, like a sticker on the back of your car, like, I listened to this, and it told people, this was the radio station.
Hey, I'm the power pig.
Oh, my God.
And I'll never forget, standing by, the first, either the book or trend.
They do it differently now.
Might have been the trend.
Might have been a book.
I have no idea.
Trends, you get three trends to a book.
The ratings.
And they're sitting around, and it would come out, you know, this old kind of like tractor-fed.
It was so, it was like, it was horrible.
But it was fun.
And we're sitting around, like the telegraph, you know, a telegraph.
We're watching this.
And PowerPig was number one.
But I mean, but bigger than anything, numbers that nobody even knew you had.
This was exciting.
Today, Dead.
Radio is dead.
And they're doing everything in their power.
Hey, you know that 85% of the people get their news from talk radio?
Are you kidding me?
No, I read that.
Where?
They don't talk radio periodical.
Get the hell out of here.
What?
They even want to pass a law in Congress that says they're going to mandate AM radios in cars.
I mean, how sad is that?
Should we have 8-track too, maybe?
Look, I love radio, but it's dead.
This is it.
This is the exciting thing.
This!
It's the same stuff, but this is exciting.
Okay.
Steve Bannon goes on with Rudy.
And they're basically saying, balls of the wall, folks.
We're MAGA.
We're it.
They just stuck their sword in it.
And this is an old-fashioned fight.
And there are people out there who say, yeah, I want to be a part of something.
Is the left a part of anything?
No.
They don't.
They're like Paradise 93.3.
All oldies.
Your beautiful music station.
And now...
Here's Bernie Higgins.
Bernie Higgins with Key Largo.
What are you, kidding me?
By the way, that was a local guy.
They've given up.
So Katsimatidis, it's not his fault.
He realizes, I don't want to, I don't need this.
When I said I wanted to own ABC, that's not, no you don't.
You've given up.
You've given in.
And the same thing is going to happen.
Here's the best part.
Here's the best part.
And to all of our friends who are laughing at Rudy and laughing at ABC and laughing, you're next because they're going to get you with this anti-Semitism thing because you, being part of the left, Have apparently said or thought that maybe the massacre that is occurring in Gaza might be the subject matter.
Well, guess what?
Congress just decided that that's anti-Semitic.
So you're next.
So while you laugh at Rudy, you're next.
It's the most incredible thing I've ever seen in my life.
And when I heard this little piece of Bannon and Rudy talking, I realized...
This is a radio war.
This is power pig stuff.
This is Randy Michaels.
They're putting a line of demarcation and Trump is pushing.
Trump is saying, wait a minute.
Are you with me?
WABC?
And they have a guy there who's Sid Rosenberg who's thinking, he's the tough guy.
He's a friend of mine, good guy, but his whole thing is, I'm a tough guy.
I'm a tough guy.
Tough my ass.
He's going to say, I'm not getting involved in this.
I like this gig.
Whatever you say, Mr. Katsimatidis, who can blame him?
Nobody wants to.
You want to be a hero by yourself?
Go ahead.
Pick the hill you want to die on.
Now, in a weird way, in a strange way, people are going to say, hey, what is this WABC?
And they might listen for a little bit to find out.
But don't listen too long because, again, to be quite fair, I do not even...
No, no, no, excuse me.
I did listen to WABC.
Don Imus was on it.
I used to be on with Curtis in the afternoon years ago, a while back.
It was before they transitioned, when it was Cumulus.
I did listen to it then.
Imus was doing it.
Bernard McGurk, who partnered with Sid, he was...
A real radio guy.
Very talented.
Sid and Bernie in the morning.
Rob Bartlett was there.
I mean, this was really...
This was the last...
I think Cumulus had it and then they sold it.
And then...
Now it's into pay for play and podcasting.
So I have not...
I can't.
Just looking at the lineup, it's like, oh dear God.
Let me explain something about radio, which is something you've got to understand.
Just because somebody's interesting in real life doesn't mean they're interesting on the radio.
Let me say that again.
Some of the most interesting people in real life are not interesting on radio.
I interviewed one time a Medal of Honor recipient, and it was the worst thing I've ever done in my life.
It was so horrible.
Interesting people do not.
And it's a different time now.
Nobody is going...
You're on the stick, the antenna.
You're AM radio.
You're going to get a core of people who are...
Remember, they're always going to be there.
They're always...
Remember, there are folks, if you look at, I have not looked at the numbers.
I guess Neil said, we used to have Arbitron, and I couldn't tell you who was up.
I've never, interestingly enough, I never, ever, ever, ever listened to radio programs, except for Bob Grant.
Bob Grant, you knew.
This guy is just, oh.
And he said, get off my phone!
I mean, it was great.
It was...
Mario Cuomo, Mario, ascendame!
Tu es propio sfachim!
You know, you're a two-faced.
And he would do this salute.
And he would refer to Mario Cuomo, the governor, as a sfachim.
And...
Who was the governor of New Jersey before...
Now, before McGreevy, Florio.
Flim Flam Florio.
Oh!
It was like...
It was great!
And the reason why is people like John Minnelli and others who said, Bob, I got your back.
I've got your back.
Then the corporate people came in.
And then the next thing you know, Jesse Jackson.
Listen, this is brilliant.
This is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had a press conference at Penn Station at rush hour.
So it looked like all these people showed up for the press conference.
No, they were there catching their train and their bus.
And so finally, these people upstairs, uptown, the ABC headquarters said, you know what, enough of this bullshit.
Get rid of them.
It's just not worth their time.
And that was over.
And it was over.
They used to stick behind Howard Stern.
They would stand behind him because you wonder, what's he going to say?
What's he going to say?
And you know what the worst thing that ever happened to him was?
Well, he made more money than you can imagine, but when they told him, okay, Howard, say whatever you want.
What?
There's no line to pass.
Say whatever you want.
Not interesting anymore.
There was nothing dangerous about Howard Stern.
Nothing.
You realize this guy is boring.
He was only interesting when you thought.
Remember when he did the blackface with Sherman Helms?
Well, I do believe in it.
Oh, my God.
At the time, that was wild.
And they stuck with him until eventually he put him.
And the thing is, every time they kept capitulating, every time they kept giving in, instead of toughening up us, they made people realize there's money to be made in hypersensitivity.
There's money to be made in being offended.
And Howard Stern during his time, and Rush Limbaugh too, but Rush had his problems too.
Oh, very quickly, everybody in radio, anybody who has been in the business talks about the no-buy list.
Do not buy.
Do not buy these people.
Do not buy these people.
Do you know that Bob Grant's name, I don't know if the don't buy list is still around, but it was this list of Radio stations, you would go to, if you would be like, you know, for Lincoln Mercury or whatever, they would say, do not do Bob Grant, do not, same thing with Rush Limbaugh, the do not buy list.
So Rush Limbaugh said, fine, he made a fortune with somebody else and I didn't care.
But they really had this, we started to see the end of it.
And it wasn't the government.
It wasn't really the government.
It was, but it was at a time when talk radio was conservative.
The talk radio was great.
And then Rush Limbaugh destroyed him because everybody wanted to be a talk radio person.
But Rudy Giuliani, again, we're not there.
We don't know what this is.
But this is not a good day for WABC.
You wrote a letter that says, do not talk about this.
And by the way, it has not been discredited.
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I mean, this is, please, this is a very passionate subject for me.
I think it's somewhere Bob Grant's looking down from the Rio Diner and say, uh-huh, uh-huh, let's be heard.
He always had the great thing where he says, you know, I can't say what I'm, no, I can't say what I want to say, but I can think it.
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What a...
What a...
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I want you to think about this again.
It's still killing me.
They told Rudy Giuliani he can't discuss the election.
Let me ask you something.
Simple question.
Answer me.
Was the election stolen, 2020 election?
What do you think?
What do you think?
Was the 2020 election stolen, yes or no?
Was the 2020 election stolen?
I'm asking you.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Look at this.
Mark, Ronnie, Faye, yes.
Shelby says, I have no idea.
Absolutely.
Fine.
Barry says, absolutely.
Schmidt, Splitskin, yes, yes.
Look at this.
Yes.
Yes, it appears so.
Absolutely.
Look at this.
So, I guess all of you are, what, conspiracy theorists?
Is that it?
Is that it?
No, but they did some funky stuff with the pandemic.
Okay, John.
Yep, smiling suits.
Yep, you're saying it.
Si, senor.
Yes, most people.
I've always maintained the following, that they stole it legally.
That may be a bit of a...
Every time they try to bring a case, they said, all right, they catch it.
Don't bring it anymore.
And you, you're going to lose your law license.
Nobody wanted to hear it.
They just said, I don't want to hear this stuff.
And then again, you had such people like Jenna Ellis.
You had, you know, Sidney Powell.
But what they did was, out of this whole group, do you think maybe they had some crazy people during the civil rights campaign?
I think so.
Do you think just because there were some crazy people that there was no such thing as the validity to the civil rights campaign?
I don't know.
Do you think everybody who marched with Martin Luther King was legitimate?
Okay, sane, not necessarily.
So does that mean he wasn't sane?
No.
What does it mean?
It means a lot of stuff.
My friends, if you don't think it was fair and square, you should be able to say so.
Now here's the thing.
Let me explain something to you.
Let's make sure we really understand what we're saying.
If I think...
That an event didn't take place.
Let's say I'm one of these people who doesn't believe that a school shooting took place or that Vietnam was the way it was or that people landed on the moon or whatever it is.
There's a difference between saying, I think it didn't happen and you, proponent of this, are lying.
Now, I don't know enough about how certain workers were identified by Rudy, allegedly, which makes up the bulk, I think, of one of his cases.
But, you know, when you keep loading these charges, after a while they say, he says, I don't care, make it whatever you want.
Anyway, we had a guy one time, a teacher who left the room, couldn't believe he said, all right, I'm going to leave you in charge of...
Keeping an eye on the class.
Anybody who talks, write their name on the board.
Now most people would say, you're not going to do this, but this idiot actually wrote somebody's name down.
He says, watch it, I'm going to give you a check.
He says, give me another check.
Give me another one.
Give me a check too.
And he's writing all the names down.
The teacher, the nun, was gone in five minutes.
He came back with like 50 names with checks and they realized, you're not the person.
So when you're rooting, he's like, sue me again.
Sue me again.
I don't care.
I'm 80 years old.
You push me in the corner, you give me no way out, and now I'm going to get real dangerous.
Now I want to hear Rudy Giuliani more than ever.
I say I'm a fan of his, but I don't really...
It's okay, but now I can't wait.
And with Bannon going away, oh, this is going to be fascinating again.
Why?
Because it's going to be interesting to hear what they have to say.
I was never a big Steve Bannon listener, but now I want to.
Why?
Because look what they did to him.
Simple.
It's not the way you kill somebody.
You make somebody, you kill them by making them sound harmless.
Rachel Maddow, harmless.
You're not going to hear anything.
You're not going to hear anything.
Nothing.
Glenn Greenwald is terrific.
I'm seeing some terrific stuff.
I'll tell you who's great to watch.
On the rising of Brianna, that poor guy, Eddie or Richie or Billy or whatever his name is, this guy is just no balls whatsoever.
And the best of the new shows, Breaking Points, with Saga and Crystal.
Fantastic!
Fantastic!
Great!
Angry!
You know who's pretty doggone good, too?
In a very strange way, not because Piers Mortgage.
See that baby reindeer thing?
Okay, but people are going crazy over baby reindeer.
And by the way, Piers, for the love of God, if you're going to have my good friend Dr. Drew on, would you at least ask him a question?
Would you ask the guy a question?
Never asked him a question the whole time.
And Mark Guerra goes, I like him.
He doesn't say anything.
Well, it could be.
Thank you, Mark.
Mark sure scared the shit out of Fox News when he got that Hunter Biden thing.
Can you believe there is no George Soros for the right that says, excuse me, Hunter Biden is threatening to sue you?
Yeah, take it on.
I'll pay for it.
Wait till he shows up for discovery and there's 50 lawyers that we'd like to ask him a question.
Fox News rolls over.
If you don't think the fix is in, I don't even know what to tell you.
I don't know what to tell you.
But now, Rudy, I want to listen to him.
Now I want to hear what he has to say.
And Bannon and all these other people.
And here's the best part.
Here is the best part.
WABC is so sad.
I think about the great Lynn Samuels.
Lynn Samuels was on the weekend.
She was a nut.
But very interesting.
Absolutely very, very interesting.
Very interesting.
She was a...
She talks like this.
I think that...
I mean, she had this wonderful...
They had a...
Was her name Doris?
Or somebody used to call up that she was a poet.
Hello, Lynn.
Yes.
I mean, it sounded like Edith Bunker with...
Harvey Fierstein or something.
I have a poem.
Ode to an ice tray.
Oh, ice tray, so strong and tall.
You are the bestest of them all.
That's beautiful!
And they went to John Minnelli and they said, the program director, are you kidding me?
He says, I love it.
Lynn worked in a laundromat.
She was like this.
I mean, it was the greatest station of them all.
Barry Taylor says, it's not just voting that counts, but who's counting the votes?
That's that line which is supposedly, as they say, attributed to Stalin.
I don't know if that's true or not.
One time we were in an ABC group at the museum, no, television museum, and I was there with Ed Koch.
Ed Koch.
I think Rush came by.
Bob Grant.
I mean, it was a rogues gallery.
It was the best ever.
And Ed Koch did this.
Stop!
Ed Koch sounded like if you took Harvey Fierstein and combined him with Edith Bunker.
Because people always said, is Ed Koch gay?
He never said he was.
He never really had to say he was.
Didn't matter.
But he was...
He was...
He was...
So one day, I heard this, and I walked up to a guy who was the greatest, greatest, online.
His name was Johnny Donovan.
Johnny Donovan did the voice.
He might have still done it for...
Maybe Hannity or something, but Johnny Donovan was the greatest voice ever.
But a great sense of humor.
Johnny Donovan would get up and just, if Manish were to come by, Johnny would just get up and just leave.
He was untouchable.
So one day I walked into, Johnny had his studio in the back and I said, you know what would be funny?
An Ed Koch car alarm.
Because when he says, Remember how they had those car alarms?
He goes, get back.
Get back from the car.
Remember that?
First is the ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.
You could get one that says, get back from the car.
Get back.
Stand back.
Like RoboCup.
Remember that?
It lasted for like a week.
But I said, what about an Ed Koch star alarm?
Stop!
Stop!
I said nothing more.
One day I walk out.
No.
I was sitting there at this desk, whatever, in this bullpen with me and Bruce Anderson, and we're sitting there, and Johnny just walks by with his cart, just drops it off.
I said, what's this?
I went to the car machine, played it.
He goes, now in time for Christmas, it's the Ronco Edcotch car alarm.
Stah!
And he put together, just by me saying this to him, we would do these things.
On ABC Radio that was so fantastic.
And they got it.
Minnelli got it.
One time at 5 in the morning.
What's it, 5?
It was on morning drive.
This is New York.
And New York is wild.
The board operator said, by the way, I said, what's this one light?
He goes, don't go.
Why is this?
The guy's asleep.
I said, what?
He's snoring.
I said, what?
So I picked it up.
I said, oh my God.
So do me a favor.
Pot him up as a bed so you hear it constantly.
Just loud enough where you can hear it, but not overpowering.
Let's see how long before the guy wakes up.
Okay?
Now listen to me.
He goes, I've heard WABC, whatever the thing was.
And hear this.
*Burr* *Burr*
I said, now you're probably wondering what that is, ladies and gentlemen.
I got here about 5 a.m.
We get there really early.
And we were at Madison Square Garden.
So you're there, you're getting there at like, you know, 3.30 in the morning.
It was fun.
So we get there, we're on the 17th floor, and I hear this thing.
So we start off, and you hear this under the bed.
Under the music, under the commercials, under the weather, under the calls, under the guests, the whole show.
And I said, I don't know if it was, I think it was Manelli.
I said, somebody's not going to get this, but it doesn't really matter.
I was talking to Pete King or somebody, some congressman.
He goes, what's that noise?
Ah, it's a guy snoring.
Anyway, congressman, let's talk about it.
He goes, okay.
So he talked about it.
Throughout, you gotta understand something, through the weather, through the commercial, through the, um, through whatever it was.
Uh, the, one, eight, nine, the cars for kids, have you ever read that commercial that just, the cars for kids thing, everything, the whole, he slept for like four hours.
Now, let me tell you, Why that's important.
Now, I remember talking to a...
I remember talking to a salesperson today and said, you do realize that when you go back and you look at the ratings, TSL was, I don't think it happened now, was time spent listening.
QM versus time spent listening.
In New York, QM, highest QM, meaning the people...
Sampling, not even AQA, not average quarter hour, but this time, you know, this, this, how many people are listening?
It was 10-10 wins.
Ding-a-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.
10-10 wins.
It was, by the way, it was a marimba.
It wasn't a teletype.
Anyway.
So they had the most listeners put for like five minutes.
This is the top of the hours on the tens for traffic, whatever.
And that was it.
In and out.
TSL, time spent listening, not the greatest.
But...
This was then.
I mean, it was still good, but our TSL, that day, people were locked in for four hours.
They said, I can't get out of the car now.
I see this guy wakes up.
Hour number two, is he still on?
People were calling each other.
Is he still on?
He's still sleeping.
Hour number three, who listens for the whole four hours?
They did.
That day they did.
And radio's about this.
Not money.
This.
And it was beautiful.
And of course, some idiot said, you know, when you had the person snoring, I said, you don't get it, do you?
You don't get it.
One time I played Inigata De Vida, the whole song.
17 minutes, the whole song.
As a bed.
Always in the background.
Ron Bushey on drums.
The whole bed.
It was experimental.
You could do whatever you wanted.
You could...
I had a guy named Bruce Anderson, the greatest newsman in the world, and I said, listen, I'm going to call you up.
My name is Pepito Fuente.
I'm from the New York Coalition to Make English the Official Language.
He says, okay.
He writes it down, and I go into the next room.
He has no idea what I'm going to do, and I called him up.
He goes, well, now we're talking to Mr. Pepito Fuente.
And Bruce had the voice like this.
Mr. Pepito Fuente from the New York Coalition to make English the official language.
Mr. Fuente, welcome to 77 WABC.
Thank you very much, Bruce.
I am so happy to be here with you and everybody.
Very good, Mr. Fuente.
What particularly is the position of the New York Coalition?
To me, I think, Bruce, that everything to me is you can't pick nothing.
And went on.
And it got worse.
And I got it to my West Tampa Cuban Spanish.
It was.
And I threw a couple of coños in there.
Anyway.
Everybody got it.
They understood immediately the irony.
Of having a man who doesn't speak English?
Advocating?
Okay.
Sure enough, somebody says, do you think that might have been insulting to you?
I said, I can't believe what you're saying.
I can't believe I coexist in a planet with you.
And we were always fighting those people.
The ones who don't get the joke.
The ones who don't get it.
I would have said everything.
I would have told Rudy we are going to build a campaign where you are this close from being fired.
We're going to ask People all over the New York area to listen.
We're going to talk to our media people.
We're going to have petitions.
We're going to have online drives.
We're going to go social media.
Should we keep Rudy Giuliani?
Should he?
We're going to have, and people hate him and love him, we're going to tell our friends at MSNBC and Fox News.
And right now on New York, on WABC, a poll, and we're going to make it the biggest story anybody's ever heard.
But did they do that?
No.
No.
Mm-mm.
I would have made this, I would have said, Rudy, are you in on this?
Yeah.
We'll give you a bonus.
You need the money.
Write this up.
And they always have these salespeople there.
Write this down.
I'll give you a thousand bucks, a point, over whatever it is.
Let's see if we can change this.
Do you know what would happen if all of a sudden, and by the way, remember, it's not just the stick anymore, it's the app.
Vote right now.
Text WABC and write, yes or no?
Rudy, yes.
Rudy, no.
I would make this.
I would own it.
I would take this moment and say, but Rudy, I'm not going to be sued by Dominion.
You're not going to talk about companies.
You're not going to talk about Smartmatic.
You're not going to talk about individual people.
But if you want to talk about how you think the election was stolen, that they're all stolen, That elections are fake.
Go ahead.
That's okay.
It is okay.
We've been saying that forever.
You know, Will Rogers has been saying that.
But that's not what they did.
No.
And again, to be fair, Rudy could have been a horse's ass.
I have no idea.
But the Randy Michaels part of me said, I'm going to own this story.
I'm going to steal this.
I'm going to have everybody in the world coming forward and saying, and saying something to the effect of, I've got to watch this.
This Rudy Giuliani and all of my other stations, I'm going to have cross-promotion.
Do you think Rudy should stay?
I think he should stay.
I think he should go.
I mean, it is just perfect.
This is when radio people Know what they're doing.
When real radio people love the idea of what they're doing and it's dangerous and there's promotional things and maybe even billboard campaigns.
Nothing.
Is there any billboard game?
Probably not.
Keep the cost low.
Talk radio is dead.
Talk radio is dead.
Free speech is dead.
And the next thing they're going to do is they're going to say, by the way, Don't say anything about Palestine.
Don't say anything.
Why?
Just don't.
That's because they're anti-Semitic and we're going to lose our big...
So we can't do that.
So do me a favor.
Yeah, but the whole world...
Screw the whole world.
We don't hear about that.
Yeah, but the ICJ...
And I don't want to hear about the ICJ and I don't want to just say the G word ever.
Or apartheid.
Or ethnic cleansing.
Or anything along those lines.
You understand this?
Yeah, but Bob Grant.
Screw Bob Grant.
Bob Grant's dead.
This is a whole new world now.
You got that?
And ABC is exactly the same as NBC and ABC.
It's all the same.
Because Bibi Netanyahu is programming the radio station.
Not Israel.
Not Jews.
Bibi Netanyahu.
It's the most incredible thing.
Humorless Karens have taken over.
I thought they said a first hurricane.
Oh, yeah.
And by the way, Karens and Darens.
Another thing, too.
Did you see the story of this?
I'm going to do a piece later.
Follow me at subscribe.
Did you see that poor girl?
Was she 11 years old who was beaten up?
Not beaten up, but am I saying stabbed on a subway platform and they caught that son of a bitch?
The whole crowd was going to tear him from limb to limb.
And I thought to myself, yeah.
Did you see that one?
That was beautiful.
I'll be talking about that.
And Mrs. L and I saw last night the Iron Claw.
The biggest piece of shite about the Von Erich family and wrestling I have ever seen in...
Did they talk about his foot?
I missed it.
Kerry Von Erich lost his foot.
He was wrestling with a prosthetic foot.
Remember that?
Remember how this thing went?
They made it sound like Fritz Von Erich says, come on, I'm going to give you the, you're going to be the champion.
Talk to the promoter.
They're going to flip the belt?
Who has it now?
Flair?
Flair's got, they made it sound like it was the worst.
And why can't they do wigs on TV or whatever today.
Why?
And they had the fellow who was in the movie Bear or whatever.
He's playing Cary Von Erich?
And Zac Efron was playing Kevin?
Zac Efron looked like Cary.
Cary Von Erich was, you know, this guy was roided up in the whole bit.
You know, the whole Von Erich family.
Fritz Von Erich was the claw.
He actually had a scene where...
And make sure you squeeze the head here.
Yeah, that's it.
There is no iron claw.
What are you talking about?
They made it sound like the Freebirds.
I couldn't believe it.
Do they not know that we know the business?
Do they not know that everybody watches shoot wrestling?
Do you not know?
You don't have to fake it.
I remember the old days of some great stories.
You want to do a great story.
Do the story about Bruiser Brody getting stabbed, being killed in Puerto Rico.
Do the ones about when some of the Americans would go to Japanese territories, and they'd say, well, we're going to go to Japan.
Oh, yeah?
There was one guy there who got him in an elevator, and he said, pack this bike, let me get the hell out of here.
Oh, the real wrestling stuff.
Harley Race?
I know stuff and stories.
Gordon and I were like business partners.
We were together forever.
Oh my God.
I know this intimately and whoever did this is like, you schmucks.
The story is about how the family, all the brothers committed suicide except one.
And that enteritis, you know, whole David.
Who was 6 '8"?
No, I don't think so.
They were cursed.
No, but they had some idiot wrote some script about...
So that's on my mind, too.
Okay?
So anyway, Bob Grant...
Is the Rio Diner still around, honey?
Do we know?
Let me say this.
The Rio Diner...
That was his place.
Everybody went to the real...
He was a real Jersey guy.
Rio Diner.
Yeah, Rio Diner.
It's in Woodbridge.
It says, yeah, closes and it's open now.
I thought they closed.
Rio Diner.
Maybe it's in...
Anyway, it says...
Yeah, Rio Diner.
Woodbridge.
That was Bob Grant's thing.
Bob Grant was as deaf as a doornail.
Bob Grant couldn't hear anything.
Bob Grant had an IFB that, yeah, REO down there, right.
And he had a, he had a, he left it one time, he put it on a, on the table, and he walked away, and I swear to God, I could hear, this is an IFB, just, he didn't wear a, no, a headphone.
No, I think it was an IFP.
Anyway, I heard this thing like a block away.
It was wild.
It was wild.
The good news is, this is where it is.
Streaming.
This is it.
The best people in the world are here.
The best people.
Lynn Samuels, like her or not, she worked in a laundromat.
And she had a style her own.
There were people, is there anything about this that shows any kind of, like, okay, I've seen this.
There are people who I do not necessarily My agreeing makes no difference.
But there's a style they have.
It's like, oh, that's weird.
Here's one for you.
It's something called the morning zoo effect.
Scott Shannon made this.
Who deserves his props in radio then?
Not now.
Music radio is dead.
Who wants to hear this?
Anyway, but during his time, he took Z100 worst to first.
He deserves his credit.
But there was something called the morning zoo.
Connection.
And this is where the big joke was, if you put enough people in a room, somebody's bound to say something funny.
And you process, you know, you know, that kind of thing.
You know who does that?
You know whose show, and I landed on it?
Ben David.
You know, Valuetainment.
Too many people.
Too much cacophonous.
No.
No.
Who are the best shows?
Joe Rogan and The Guest.
Lex Friedman and The Guest.
Maybe two people talking.
Maybe.
Not too many people.
Don't get too confused because then you have people who aren't professionals and there's one guy who I've noticed and I can't watch it for this Ben David value attainment.
One guy is itching for his own show and he's arguing with everybody.
Be careful with that.
It's about balance.
It's about balance.
Who runs the show?
We had an idiot one time, a programmer, who said the more people you put in, the more people you put in, the better.
It's like hosts were fungible.
It's like an orange.
If you've got one orange, I've got two.
Two are better than one.
It was the worst piece of garbage ever because he was a moron.
Because he worked for years in music.
Didn't know anything about talk.
Didn't know anything about the issues.
Didn't know anything about anything.
Talk radio, terrestrial radio is dead.
Cable, dead.
Boring.
Boring.
They should just do a favor and say, Bibi, yeah, do me a favor, here.
Or turn this over.
Maybe you want to just bring in your own people.
Because Bibi, not Israel, Bibi owns Congress, owns everybody.
You want that?
Great.
You like that?
I want to hear the other side.
And they don't understand it, but they're losing, they're forfeiting their chance to do this.
So Rudy Giuliani, right or wrong, I'm with Rudy.
I'm with Rudy.
Tutti Frutti on Rudy.
God bless him.
And Bannon, I wasn't really that big of a fan before.
I am now, because I love, it reminds me of the old battles, the old, yeah!
You got it?
Okay.
All right, dear friends.
Now, as I told you before, Make sure you listen very carefully.
And make sure you follow Mrs. L. Here's her.
This is her YouTube link right there, my friends.
And we thank you so much for your love and your direction.
She is at Lynn's Warriors.
There's the link.
Because believe me, when it comes to what's happening to children, nobody covers it like she does.
So Sparky, Barry Taylor, and JTE, thank you so much.
You have a great and glorious day.
We will see you Manana.
No, not manana.
What am I saying?
We'll see you later.
And I'm going to be busy today doing videos aplenty.
Have a great and glorious day, dear friends.
Don't ever change and mean that sincerely.
And until then, remember, the monkey's dead.
The show's over.
Sue you.
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