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June 15, 2023 - Lionel Nation
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A Full-Throated Defense of President Donald Trump
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For as long as I have been professionally associated with the law, I've had to explain to people what it means when you say you defend somebody, to defend.
President Trump, to come to his defense.
And it's a term that doesn't really lend itself too well in the real world.
It doesn't really apply.
But it does.
Let me explain.
When you defend somebody in law, you provide for them in essence a counter.
To the accusations made against them that apply, that are relevant, that are applicable, that they would say if they knew.
It doesn't mean you like what they did.
It doesn't mean you agree with what they did.
It means you're providing something that could, if taken correctly, would vitiate or quash or eliminate a critical element that is necessary, obviously.
To prove them guilty of something.
It doesn't mean you like what they did.
It doesn't mean you like them.
It doesn't mean you're a fan of them.
It doesn't mean that you...
anything.
It means that, no, there is a problem here.
In your bringing this charge, you're going to have a problem either proving it or when I tell you what I'm going to do as an affirmative defense, then you're not going to be able to prove the case.
So what that gobbledygook means, I'll explain to you in better detail.
I will let you know specifically what it is.
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Donald Trump is that client, theoretically, that I love because people just I've run into two different types of people.
The first group of people are those who have no sense at all of what he did, what he's charged with, what the implications are.
They just hate him.
They hate him.
And those are the people I love to talk to the most.
I love it.
Then you get the other people who are not exactly as much fun, but these are the ones who believe that everything he does is just wonderful.
Everything he does is without peer.
Everything he does is just brilliant.
Everything he does is just...
And he cannot be guilty.
Those people I find boring.
I prefer the first group.
And one of the things I try to tell them is that The president doesn't have to prove anything.
And you have to ask yourself, okay, if you want to find him guilty of something, you're going to have to be able to tell me what it is that he supposedly did that you find so problematic.
You tell me, what was it?
What was the thing he did?
And they say, well, it's not espionage.
It's not espionage.
Believe me when I tell you that, that's not it.
It's probably a presidential records violation.
Now was he stupid?
Absolutely.
But that's not against the law.
Was he a bit braggadocious?
Of course!
But the question I have for you is simply this.
What do you think the president actually did that in any way put this country at risk of Anything.
Anything.
What do you think?
Do you know the information, the boxes, the information that was kept?
You know those boxes that you see in his bathroom, you know, these boxes and boxes.
I've heard people say, people who are far better in the know than I am, that not everything in there was subject to some type of presidential what have you.
Presidential records, that some of them were personal effects in that.
But either way, there is a statute.
And the first argument is that it is primarily civil.
That what he did was, for the most part, he did not have top secret military codes, nuclear codes, the football, things that if somebody finds out.
Granted, this information should not be out.
But the question is, is anything there?
Egregious enough to warrant a full-throated federal felony prosecution of him in this case, and the answer is no.
No.
Because of precedent, because of similar behavior, because of the discretion that has to be used, and something which nobody really understands, and that is the fact that the President of the United States, that position, that position that he held, Bestows upon him and endows him with something that few people really understand, and that is that we must honor the office.
And when you treat him like some scalawag, some miscreant, some skell, as they say, and you have him twice check in and be fingerprinted and booked and You're desecrating.
You're sullying.
You're destroying.
You're vandalizing the office of the president.
Now, when you tell people this, they go, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait.
Nobody's above the law.
No, nobody said that.
But in addition to the fact, whenever you are a prosecutor or thinking about whether you should bring a charge, you should always ask yourself the question, what am I doing here?
For example, I have a case.
The victim is an 85-year-old grandmother.
Who's in poor health, let's assume, who is in frail health and would most probably die if she were to be incarcerated in some particular act.
And you've got to ask yourself, do I take that into consideration and do I say, how is justice, sir?
How is it?
The case that is a case of all is a case of David Petraeus, General Petraeus, who had his guma out of Paula Broadwell.
Who was his biographer.
And if you recall during the Benghazi, it was a terrible case, when Ambassador Stevens was killed because these militiamen, these militias came in and they decided to storm the American embassy.
Like, why?
These Libyans, these craze for no particular reason, the sanctity, the sovereignty.
Why would they do this?
Well, it turns out they may have done this because they Believed, or it was true, that their fellow militiamen were being held, being kept prisoner at either the embassy or the annex, and might have been tortured.
Directly in contravention of President Trump's executive order that he signed within days of his coming into office.
And Paula Broadwell spilled the guts at the University of Denver when she told the world, oh yes!
General Petraeus had a difficult time.
He couldn't tell anybody this because he knew this.
And what she was doing was, I boffed him, so I know this.
I got this through pillow talk.
And there was also evidence that he had documents that he took home, showed her, lied to federal officials.
I mean, it's an absolute mirror image of this.
And what's interesting to note, even further, What I find fascinating is that not only is it a mirror image and everything, but it was a person who could not have declassified anything if he wanted to.
Arguably, you could say that President Trump had the right to declassify his document.
So, he got a pass.
Slap on the wrist, a little probation, a fine.
Hillary Clinton, you know that story.
If I hear bleach bit one more time, I'm going to go crazy.
John Deutsch, 1999.
Secret Service head director took documents.
He had to resign.
Leon Panetta goes on and on and on and on and all of these people.
By the way, Leon Panetta, remember what he did one time?
This isn't subject to criminal sanction, but I'll never forget.
Remember the day The Clayton Delaney.
Remember the day when they supposedly killed, speaking of dying, Osama bin Laden.
And they were in the situation room of the White House.
And Obama was sitting down watching his little jacket on.
And there was Bill Clinton and there was Biden and Hillary Clinton.
She had her hand over her mouth like, oh my.
And they were supposedly watching that moment when Osama bin Laden, when UBL was being iced.
Well, it turns out later on that Leon Panetta says, oh no, no, the helmet cam was down.
There was nothing.
We were watching this.
We were watching nothing.
We were pretending.
He spilled the beans.
One of my favorite moments.
You mean that didn't happen?
Never happened.
We never saw anything.
So Hillary smelling her hand for no particular reason?
No particular reason.
So it was all an act?
All an act.
That's what it is, my friends.
That's what it is.
I just want justice for President Trump.
That's all I want.
I want justice.
And I want discretion to be accorded and afforded him and the office.
Because he never put anybody in harm's way.
He never risked any life.
He never did anything to warrant this kind of behavior.
And I haven't even talked about the New York indictment, which is a joke.
But for the foregoing reasons and the verments cited, I respectfully request that any and all charges be dismissed in stanter.
And I think you understand why now.
What do you think?
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