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Oct. 10, 2022 - Lionel Nation
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Kanye West and Mental Illness
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I tend to use...
I think I tend to use the term fascinating far too much.
Because everything fascinates me.
And I'm not going to apologize for that.
It is a wonderful feeling to be fascinated by something.
Not the epiphany moment, not the aha!
But to sit there and say, this is incredible.
What is happening right now is an event which is so complicated, so perfect, so multi...
Layered.
And you're not going to see it.
It involves this fellow named Kanye West.
Or Ye.
And believe me when I say this.
This is fascinating.
It's a learning moment.
It is a learning opportunity.
It is something that is so rare in the Events of our life.
And I want to share this with you.
I just had a moment where I did a very, very specific, very more biting analytical as to the political implications, also the way people sometimes take advantage of this.
Especially in terms of politics.
And I find that less interesting.
People are talking now about the fact that maybe he is...
In fact, this is a link to that.
Some are suggesting that maybe he's anti-Semitic or he's a variety of things.
And the first thing I want to tell you is that it is not about Kanye West.
I could not tell you a Kanye West song.
I guess he does songs.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I couldn't pick it up.
I have been watching how various people will glom on to him and use him for their Political benefits so long as it benefits them.
And then once it does it, once you are of no use, you are forgotten like that.
And I went through a history of a lot of people who all of a sudden overnight were the darlings of whatever particular ideological, political faction you want to speak to.
And then they're just forgotten.
There I have no use to.
We're okay.
Alright.
But that's not what I want to talk about.
I want to talk about something which is even more important.
That is the notion of mental illness and how it is used as a weapon.
How it is the subject of complete and total misunderstanding, if not no understanding.
How it is the cruelest thing for anybody to even be involved in.
I would not wish it on...
And of the subjects which fascinated me more when I grew up, it was the notion of the ambit of mental illness and what people call crazy.
And since the beginning of time, when you want to dissuade others from listening to somebody else, when you want to shelve them, when you want to hurt them, when you want to just completely...
Eliminate them from any rational consideration.
Call them crazy.
Now let me give you an example of something.
The New York Post wrote yesterday, quote, Friends, certain Kanye West is in the midst of a psychiatric episode.
Psychiatric.
What do you notice about that?
Psychiatric is a medical term.
They didn't say emotional.
They didn't say spiritual.
They didn't say psychological.
Psychological is not that.
Psychiatric.
Quote, sources close to Kanye West are deeply concerned about him.
Insiders are in no doubt that his recent headline-grabbing behavior is the result of a mental break.
And they believe it's the most serious such episode That the rapper has suffered.
Let me stop right there.
I don't even know where to start.
I don't even know where to begin.
I don't even know.
But let me tell you something.
I have given this great thought.
Tremendous thought.
We're going to go through this very carefully.
And I want you to think.
Remember, forget Kanye West.
Forget who he is.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
He is merely an example.
Let others jump on this for political reasons and entertainment reasons.
I think we all saw that coming and I think we know what motivates people all of a sudden to herald someone.
All of a sudden we love them there.
We talk about them.
We are so fascinated by them.
And I give an example, one in particular that comes to mind where, oh, this one young man was the darling of, oh my God, we love this!
And then, poof!
Gone.
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At least, you should have seen that coming.
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Since the beginning of time, since man strode from the, from the, the, wherever, the goo, the organic broth, we have been superstitious.
We have believed in everything you can imagine, from ghouls to goblins to demons to witches to sorcerers to spirits to you name it.
Lycanthropy.
Wolves.
Just go down the list.
Go down the list.
And when years ago, when somebody would see a human being acting differently, For a variety of reasons.
They didn't immediately say, for obvious reasons, they didn't say, well, this must be obviously some form of chemical imbalance.
This must be something medically connected.
No!
They thought you were possessed by whatever.
Imagine showing Tourette's or epilepsy, seizure disorders in the Middle East.
In the Middle Ages.
In the Middle East.
During medieval times.
Imagine that!
Imagine!
What would you think if somebody all of a sudden was looking?
How many times do you think in the course of our human events when people have considered or were considered to have been possessed by the devil and he had exorcisms?
How many do you think they might have been going through some type of seizure disorder or some type of psychiatric or psychotic episode?
I don't know.
But I can only tell you it's natural for people to think this is...
So we have been fascinated and scared by this.
There are people who have studied for the longest time this notion of what is it, what are our forms of not, what is the word, our forms of Discrimination and the like.
When you're labeled crazy, that's it.
In 1972, Thomas Eagleton.
Thomas Eagleton was George McGovern's running mate.
And Thomas Eagleton confessed or stated that he himself was, I think, thrice treated for depression.
They used to give it different words.
Exhaustion.
Bipolar disorder and even had ECT, electroconvulsive therapy, shock treatment, shock therapy.
Now most of us only know about shock therapy, shock treatment through One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
It's the only time we ever even heard of it or saw it and it's extremely violent and it's frightening.
And you can go online and look at it.
It has saved more lives than you can imagine.
It has saved more lives.
It is one of the most fascinating restarts, resets.
The amount of voltage, amperage, electricity that's implied.
Sometimes we'll see just a...
A foot twitch in these.
But the results have been...
And when you tell somebody that, as soon as they say shock treatment, they don't want to hear this because of a number of reasons.
Number one, our own backwards thinking, our own scientific notions, our own unsophisticated ways of thinking, and our own misunderstanding of the fragility of the human mind.
Sherwin Newland, who happened to be Victoria Newland's father, details wonderfully about how ECT changed his life.
We have a medieval way of looking at mental illness.
And Thomas Eagleton was forever prevented from running for office.
I'm telling you right now, somebody, right now, you, have somebody in your family that has Mental illness.
And by the way, that covers a spectrum, to use the word spectrum, from neurosis, which everybody has, to psychosis and everything in between.
There are people on TV, there are channels, social media channels, that deal with narcissism.
And these are personality disorders.
And psychopathy.
And borderline behavior.
Borderline disorders.
And we speak about it sometimes.
I think...
Fascinatedly, but yet exploitatively.
When we talk about people who are homeless, when we talk about people who are homeless, more often than not, and this is the interesting thing, there is a complete and total combination of a lot of things.
Substance abuse, chemical abuse, chemical ambalances, psychiatric disorders, emotional, physical, sometimes pituitary, sometimes endocrine.
Upset.
And then we take the notion of Kanye West.
Now, Kanye West, let me throw something into the mix.
Let me give you an example of something.
Let's take somebody who was just unsophisticated.
And unsophisticated is a very weird term.
It sounds kind of highfalutin.
But somebody who does not really know how it is.
Somebody who has, for the longest time, been in a bubble.
And a bubble can be a lot of things.
It can keep you naive.
Or it could put you in a world where you think that what you say is oracular, delphic, that you are great, that you suffer these delusions, these ideations where what you are saying is genius because you kind of sort of believe your own press.
If that makes any sense to you.
Take that.
Take immaturity.
Somebody who has not really learned and maturity is a very weird concept.
Think about that.
How do you explain that?
I know people all the time.
You have no idea.
Who suffer from a weird form of immaturity.
There's no maturation.
There's no seasoning.
There's no aging.
It's a strange concept.
We always think about maturity being in terms of children.
But there are adults I know who never matured.
There are also people who are Unsophisticated.
They don't understand.
Oh, I see.
They don't know how to use a fork.
They don't know what to say.
And there are also people who, I'm sorry to say this, and I'm not saying this in Ye's behalf, but there are people who are just frankly not very bright.
Nobody wants to discuss that.
And there are some people who might have, in addition to that, suffered from psychiatric disorders, emotional imbalances, chemical, alcoholic problems.
I have no more people in my life who were themselves involved in years and years of alcohol abuse and the like.
And even though they stop, and even though they stopped drinking, something was off balance.
Something, it wasn't right.
Something didn't take place.
So that's another problem.
Then there are people who've been through traumatic events in their life.
Now what I'm doing is I'm trying to imagine this.
I have a piece of monofilament fishing line.
You've seen a tangled line, I'm sure.
And every time there's a problem, I make a knot.
Substance abuse, emotional abuse, emotional violence, immaturity.
I don't want to say stupidity, but whatever you want to call it.
Trauma, PTSD, neurological imbalances.
And then keep going, and then keep going.
And maybe psychiatric.
And there's something called anger.
And confusion.
And frustration.
And impetuousness.
And pretty soon I'm going to end up with this Gordian knot.
This thing that is so complicated.
Now, you tell me where the problems are.
Sometimes it's easy to say, yes, this person is suffering from schizophrenia.
This person has...
Schizoaffective disorder, and you can go through your own DSM-5, whatever you like.
This person is clearly, clearly laboring under something, but this person isn't.
This person isn't.
And whenever, and history will tell us one thing, that whenever somebody wants to show up what you're saying, if ever somebody wants to take what you're saying, and they don't like it because it poses a problem, To either political parties, political leaders, churches.
Think about this.
How many times have you been called crazy?
Give me a number one.
For those of you listening later on in terms of podcasting, I'm asking my live audience here, have you been called crazy?
Just give me the number one.
Press one.
Your ideas are crazy.
Your politics are crazy.
And by the way, this is left and right, and I want all my brothers and sisters from all aspects of the political spectrum to come forward.
This is worth talking.
If you like this person, you're crazy.
If you like this person, you're just crazy.
We're not even going into the more negative.
But you're crazy.
You believe something.
What's the first thing you say?
This particular rendition of either science or politics or whatever, I don't buy this.
You're crazy.
You're crazy.
And we use words, we use euphemism, tinfoil hat, Bible thumper, religious zealot.
We always give you, even people called, and I've got to stop, woke, rad, radical left, liberal.
We do it, you do it, everybody does it.
All of a sudden, these people, I have seen this.
People who have said, well, they have enunciated something which is clearly prototypically just genuinely progressive.
Oh, you're woke!
We're jumping the woke thing.
Everything is woke.
Wait a minute.
Hold it.
We do that.
You're a conservative.
You're a MAGA.
You're woke.
We love that.
And it's who we are.
We dismiss it.
We dismiss it.
Now, remember, I am not going to sit here and go through that which Mr. West has stated.
I will tell you this much.
You may theoretically have the right to think something, but people have the right, whether you like it or not, to say, no, we...
Don't like that here.
You can go to a football stadium and yell, but not in a restaurant, not in an opera.
We all know this.
And the people who do that, they have the right to say, no, we don't want that.
But I have the right.
No, you don't have the right.
No, you don't.
Now, it's one thing.
When you have an event where you can say everybody is welcome, everybody, and even when everybody is welcome, there are certain parameters.
So thrown into the mix, there was kind of like an obstructional, what do they call it, the defiant, obstructional defiant, anyway, this new DSM-5 thing, I don't know.
But let me get down to brass tacks.
When I was young, I remember I will never, ever, ever, Ever, ever, as long as I live, forget my first time as an observer, in a psychiatric facility.
And if you want to see, and I use this word with all due respect, the best psychiatric facilities, go to the least funded, the poorest equipped, the poorest manned or staffed.
Because you will see it in its untreated glory.
I don't mean to say that.
Everything that you think, everything that you feel right now.
You're hearing me, you're watching me, you're sitting here, you're watching on a phone, you're listening on a earpad, whatever it is.
You are here.
You know where you are.
You know where you fit.
Your parietal lobe is kicking.
You've got your feet on the ground.
You know where you are.
You know what state you are.
You know where you are.
You know what year it is.
You know everything.
You're here and you're listening to me.
And you know if you have earbuds or something, it's not coming from the planet.
You understand this.
And the only thing that is allowing you to do that is because very, very, very particular portions of your brain are firing correctly.
Now, if I could work...
Like a mixing board with pots and potentiometers.
And I can say, well, let me make a couple of little additions.
Maybe one day I can fix it so that you're going to be hearing this broadcast when you're driving.
And it's a memory that leaches into your ability to differentiate between what happened in the past and what happens presently.
We have the ability to differentiate between a thought and reality.
What I'm thinking and what I'm seeing.
What I'm thinking and what is here.
If I hold this magic pickle up to you right now and I say, what is this?
You might say, this is green.
This is a pickle.
And this is not because that's what this is.
That's what your brain is interpreting it as.
That's it.
And it might be because you remember the shape of this or the color or whatever it is.
I don't know.
But if I make the slightest little adjustment to your brain, this becomes a dragon.
This becomes more invisible.
But the you, the essence of you, remains the same.
I remember one time seeing something, I never forget.
This was, this was, this, this was the one that, there was a young man who came out and the floor was that classic black and white checked floor.
This was the Hillsborough County Hospital or something.
This must have been 46 years ago or something like that.
So, I'm watching this.
And this guy came up and he looked down and he was putting his feet in a particular order, a particular angle.
They were out.
I don't know if it was 90 or 45. I don't know.
But I just was watching him.
He wasn't bothering anybody.
Nobody even noticed he was there.
He must have done this all the time because he was invisible.
But he stood there.
And once his feet were finally oriented in some position that he agreed to or liked or felt good about, once that happened, he then made this Joe Weider pose.
Remember the Joe Weider statue?
And he stood there.
And I never saw him go to the bathroom or eat.
I don't know what he did.
When I came back for this visitation, I said, where's whatever his name was.
And they said, oh, didn't you hear?
And that's never good.
When somebody says, didn't you hear?
I said, oh, no.
Didn't I hear what?
What?
He said, well, apparently there was an attendant or somebody who was cleaning the floor, and what he was doing, what he was doing, was trying to,
oh, in the morning, he would look at this ex that apparently there was this, And that was his mark of orienting his feet or whatever it was.
But some attendant who was cleaning the floor saw this and removed it.
So this person's focus of energy or whatever location is gone.
And he lost it.
And I don't know what happened to him.
But his locus of control, his focus, everything was gone.
Missing.
135 likes, by the way.
I thought, what must this be like?
Now, if You are a person in this country who says things that are politically wrong, fine.
If you are somebody who says something which is anti-Semitic, anti-American, anti-misogynistic, xenophobic, transphobic, whatever it is that you think that was, fine.
You have the right to object, to be offended, whatever.
Absolutely.
But these are not necessarily the ideas of somebody who is mentally ill.
It is possible to harbor what you consider, and many people consider, to be terrible ideas, but not based upon mental illness.
And once you, if somebody says, I want you to go out there, and I want you to give them some pictures of somebody, we're doing this story where we think that so-and-so is crazy.
Can you go out?
Yeah.
Can you give me some pictures?
Well, yeah.
Any pictures where they look crazy?
Well, this one.
Here's a guy wearing a hoodie looking down like this.
That's a good one.
How about somebody who's peering out from behind?
Yes.
Anytime I take a picture of you with a telephoto lens, you will look guilty of something.
I'm telling you, I promise you.
Every time.
Every single time.
There are ways for you to look like this.
But once that happens to you, once you get that, it's indelible.
Everything else they can deal with.
Think about people who have said things in the past.
Think about things who have done things, who have been through substance abuse issues, and they've recovered, they've come back, and they came back.
Yay!
They've done horrible things, or whatever.
Mental illness is not one of those things.
Because it still maintains a medieval kind of a function to this.
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Now I'm going to go back and tell you a couple of things here.
And when I talk to you about this, and by the way, thank you for liking this.
Thank you for your appreciation of this.
I want you to understand that we recognize the issues here.
This is a very difficult thing for people to understand, issuing this.
Issue, issue, issue, issue, issue, issue.
You do not have to like anyone.
You don't.
When people say things that we don't like, you are entitled to say, I object to this.
Go ahead.
I don't have to tell you that.
But look at what we do when it comes to mental illness.
I was watching an interview about Sid Barrett.
You know, the Pink Floyd.
And the mental illness.
And just listen to the way people talk about it.
Listen to it.
Just listen to it.
And it's not because people are mean.
But this is the way they talk about this notion, this idea, whether it's schizophrenia, whether it's...
Nobody ever talks about diabetes like that.
Let me also tell you something, which I talk about very, very, very, very specifically in my personal channel.
Good luck trying to explain to somebody, to a jury, that somebody was insane at the time they committed an offense and should be found not guilty by reason of insanity.
Good luck with that one.
Good luck.
Nobody wants to have anything to do with that.
What?
Not guilty.
Did he do it?
Yeah.
Yeah, but he was insane.
And I understand completely.
Let me tell you the problem with that, as I have explained elsewhere, but I'm going to do it again.
Right now there is a current standard called the McNaughton Rule, and the McNaughton Rule works thusly.
It means this.
If you're able to convince to a jury that at the time of the commission of the crime, this defendant did not know the difference between right and wrong, and could not comport, could not comply with that, the jury can find this person not guilty.
By reason of insanity.
N-G-R-I.
And they are acquitted.
They are taken to a psychiatric hospital where they are released once this situation corrects itself.
Look at John Hinckley.
Those of us in New York always say David Hinckley because there was a radio commentator named David Hinckley.
This poor guy was always confused with John Hinckley.
But look at John Hinckley.
And the reason for that is because he was charged in federal court and their burden of insanity was insane.
It was so easy to overcome.
But here is the thing, and listen carefully.
Let's assume you're a defense lawyer.
You may not want to do this, but somebody comes to you and they're charged with pushing somebody in front of a subway.
And you'd ask that person, why did you do it?
Did you know it was wrong?
Yes, I didn't want to do it.
But the voices told me to.
That doesn't work.
Because they know the difference between right and wrong.
What about the person who runs away and hides?
And the police come and said, I noticed that they were running from us.
He was hiding.
Oh!
So he must have known something was wrong.
If he didn't know the difference between right and wrong, why is he hiding?
Why is he hiding from the police?
And you ask him.
Because they thought the police were aliens or whatever it is.
So that doesn't cover it.
And there is nobody, as we speak right now, nobody who is asking or pushing, we have bail reform, but nobody is talking about trying to Affect or change the not guilty by reason of insanity laws.
Nobody is.
And the reason for it is very simple.
It's not because people are mean-spirited, but because sometimes the offenses that are committed are so horrible, they just can't deal with it.
So let me just leave you with this.
I want you to understand this.
Number one, I'm not speaking on behalf of Kanye West.
What he said, but he didn't say...
No.
Number two, I...
I don't know what he says.
I don't follow what he says.
It doesn't matter what he says.
Number three, watch how once he is used up, once he serves his purpose, either as a publicity tool or publicity magnet or somebody to latch on to like, hey, look at this.
Now we're talking about him.
Once that becomes negative, you say nobody's ever just done with him.
Watch that.
Think about what happens.
Think about what happens when somebody in your family has or had or exhibits Mental illness.
Some kind of...
I went to an event a while back.
And I'm always observing.
As you know.
And I was watching.
And somebody had or has, I guess, a child.
A son, I believe.
And something was wrong with him.
We don't know.
I don't know what it was.
But I'm listening.
Am I hearing?
I can always hear the conversation two rows back, which is a problem.
And I hear this.
Is that him?
I think that's him.
I'm not sure.
That's the one, right?
Yeah.
And they're talking about which one was the one.
Who was the one who had something wrong with him?
I don't even know what it was.
What's wrong with him?
I don't know, but it was like, is that him?
I think that's him.
You know, they've had a problem with him.
And I'm listening to this, and I thought to myself, would you ever hear this of, who do you think is a diabetic?
I think that's the one.
You think he's on insulin?
I don't know.
Nobody ever talks about diabetes or heart murmurs or...
No.
It's that.
And here's the best part.
99.9999% of all people who have been diagnosed with some form of mental illness, whether it's from neurosis to psychosis or everything in between, have never been involved with the police.
They don't do anything to hurt anybody.
They are not dangerous.
Not.
It's a small proportion, but it doesn't matter.
And here we are, in the year 2021-22, we are still, even when we talk about politicians, And anything involving the brain, from senility, to senescence, to dotage, to gerontological problems,
to Alzheimer's, dementia, Lewy body, remember dementia by Lewy body, remember Robin Williams, anything, organic, neurological, or psychiatric, hardware or software, it doesn't matter.
The way we talk about it is mysterious.
And we speak about it in a form, in a way that to me indicates we don't know anything about it.
And once that is on you, once you are...
It doesn't matter what you do.
It doesn't matter.
Once you say, well, you know, he was crazy.
And we love...
To jump on crazy.
He's acting crazy.
He's crazy.
You're crazy.
We use the word all the time.
Crazy.
Cray cray.
Look at how many words and terms every language has for crazy.
From medically, psychiatrically, you know, to daft, weird, you know.
Look, it's...
We love to point it out.
As a pejorative, and sometimes there are people who, look, I have, I'm telling you, I can tell you more people that I know, one in particular, this is a woman who is not in any way, in any way, psychiatrically compromised, mentally ill, nothing, very successful, very, but does things where you will say, what?
You know somebody like that.
You go, why?
Do you know people who lie?
Oh, I could talk about this forever.
People who lie, and you think, that didn't happen.
You know, sometimes you can embellish a story, but do you know anybody who tells you things like, that never happened?
I know that didn't happen.
Why did he say that?
But this virgin goes to work as a family, but makes up stuff over things that don't even matter.
My good friend Gordon Sola used to say, some people would rather climb up a tree and lie than stand there and tell the truth.
That to me is a form of behavioral something or other.
I don't know what you want to call that.
We are immersed in it.
We are immersed.
And let me also tell you that once you've indicated, once you've introduced social media into the equation, you are going to see such gradations of As we say in West Tampa, you're going to see this colors, shades, hues, textures of what?
That may not fall in the actual spectrum, the ken, the ambit of mental illness, but...
So I'm going to leave you right now, Don Corleone.
Let me remind you, preparewithlionel.com.
Do yourself a favor.
Just go and look.
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Please follow Mrs. L. LinzWarriors on YouTube and listen to what she says.
Ooh, she says things that just make people so...
Because it's the truth.
LinzWarriors on YouTube.
Go.
See what I'm talking about.
Follow her on Twitter, Linz underscore Warriors, and I'm at Lionel Media.
We'll see you tomorrow, my friend.
Same bad time, same bad channel, 9 a.m. Eastern Time.
Thank you so, so, so much for your being here, for your thoughtfulness, your kindness, your perspicacity, and your overall wherewithal.
Until then, remind you that the monkey's dead.
The show's over.
Sue ya.
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