EP177: It's JOEVER: Kent Says He'll Testify In Charlie Kirk Assassin's Trial!
Laura Loomer and Lee Smith dissect Joe Kent's alleged testimony for Charlie Kirk's assassin, claiming he admitted Israel controlled Trump while blaming a "transgender terror cell." They condemn Tucker Carlson's praise of Sharia law as treasonous foreign lobbying and accuse Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of electoral extortion to force a contingent election. The hosts argue these figures represent a coordinated effort to destabilize the government through anti-Semitic propaganda, foreign influence operations, and the hijacking of the post-Trump GOP, urging the public to reject such narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
and welcome to tonight's episode of Loomer Unleashed.
I'm your host, Laura Loomer.
It's great to be back.
As you know, for the last 10 days, I was gone.
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I was in India.
I had a great time in India where I spoke at the India Today Conclave Conference, gave a speech.
Went pretty viral.
You may have seen some of the clips online.
But thanks so much for tuning in tonight.
It's great to be back in the seat.
Lots to talk about.
A lot has happened over these last two weeks, over the last 10 days or so that I've been absent from Loomer Unleashed.
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There was somebody the other day that said that Laura Loomer is at the epicenter of the MAGA civil war.
Now, I don't really take pride in helping to facilitate any kind of war because, well, I want there to be cohesion.
We should all be supporting President Trump and we should all be supporting the MAGA movement.
But I do view myself as an enforcer.
And I was asked this question when I was on stage at the India Today Conclave Conference in New Delhi.
And I mean, all the way in India, right?
The Indian media is even talking about my loyalty tip line and the way that I have my little, my, I guess you could call them purity tests, but we do need to have purity.
We do need to have purity tests in the GOP.
I'm not necessarily talking about, oh, like, what's your sex life like?
Or, oh, you know, do you drink?
Do you smoke?
Do you do drugs?
We need to have purity tests as it pertains to people's values and whether or not they are actually loyal to the cause or whether or not they're subversive people who are trying to undermine the president's agenda, undermine the America First movement for the sake of developing their own brand, becoming a personality, becoming an influencer, right?
We're in the age of influencers, becoming a podcaster, whatever you want to call it.
Seems like there's just too many people these days that they said all the right things.
They maybe did all the right things.
They really had a lot of us fooled for a long time.
But now we see that a lot of these people on the so-called political right or MAGA, right?
Although it's hard to really tell what's MAGA these days and what's not because of all the foreign influencing going on and the efforts to subvert President Trump and falsely accuse him of being controlled by BB Nuts and Yahoo.
You have a lot of people that are really going out of their way, it seems, to completely fracture MAGA.
So I wanted to focus on this tonight because not only is it happening in the podcast world, and we've talked about this a lot here on my show, right?
Talked about Candace Owens, we've talked about Tucker Catarlson, talked about Nick Flentis, talked about all these different personalities, right?
Talked about all the different influencers and how some of them all of a sudden appear to be pushing out Islamic talking points and have done a total 180 as it pertains to their views on immigration, as it pertains to their views on Islam, as it pertains to their views on Donald Trump.
We've talked about that.
But it's even more sinister now because we're starting to see that there is an influencer administration pipeline in which some of these crackpot conspiracy theorists who have their shows who are pushing Muslim Brotherhood propaganda who are obsessed with Israel, right?
Obsessed, like literally obsessed to the point where I call it Israel derangement syndrome.
You may have recalled when I did an interview with Steve Bannon a couple of months ago and I said, you know, with all due respect, Steve, it sounds like you and a lot of your viewers and your guests have Israel derangement syndrome.
And he blew up on me, right, when we were talking about Qatar because I was trying to make the point that Qatar is pushing a lot more money into lobbying our politicians and trying to influence our institutions here in the United States than Israel.
But you can't speak facts anymore because people just lose their mind.
And if you talk about this Islamic influence, you're going to have your head shoot off by people that just want to say, well, what about the Jews?
So I thought that maybe this would be confined to the podcast world, to the influencer world, because it's quite unbecoming, you could say, of anybody in an administration.
It's unbecoming of a vice president.
It's unbecoming of the director of national intelligence.
It's unbecoming of staffers in these office.
It's unbecoming of anybody really who is serving as a cabinet official in the Trump administration.
But what do we see now?
Well, we see this Trump administration, Trump cabinet pipeline to the influencer class.
And now this has become even more evident and it is the center of controversy this week.
Of course, I'm talking about Joe Kent, the director, I guess you could say now former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, which is, you know, basically underneath ODNI, okay, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.
You'll probably remember that Joe Kent actually served as Tulsi Gabbard's interim chief of staff before he was appointed by President Trump to be the director of the National Counterterrorism Center.
Now, Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent go way back.
They have a long-standing friendship.
And she really is the person who brought Joe Kent into ODNI and ultimately, you know, now underneath ODNI as the director of National Counterterrorism Center.
Why do I bring this up?
Because we would expect people in the administration, especially cabinet members, to support the president and to support his agenda, especially after, you know, vying for these positions, talking about how they wanted to be in the administration for the sake of coalition building.
We were told that having Democrats in the administration, oh, it's going to be great.
It's going to be grand.
It's going to be so jolly.
Everybody's going to get along.
We're all going to hold hands.
We're going to sing kumbaya.
It's going to be amazing.
But of course, I told you all it wasn't going to be amazing because there's no such thing as kumbaya.
Because everybody in Washington, D.C. is an opportunist.
Everybody is about what's good for me.
Screw what's good for everybody else, right?
That's the mentality of everybody in Washington, D.C.
So as somebody that spends a lot of time vetting and a lot of time doing research and a lot of time looking at these kind of interpersonal relationships, monitoring people, like looking at their associations, documenting, right?
I document all of their associations.
I like to document these things because as I say, I keep receipts.
I keep folders.
I keep files on these people because it's really good to have an eye for pattern recognition, being able to identify these patterns because you're able to kind of put together the spider web of connections.
And then when you like kind of imagine one of those little boards, right?
Like you watch a detective and you see all the different lines and the string being connected, right?
It's the same thing when you're vetting people.
You have to create these flowcharts.
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You have to kind of connect all the dots and create these webs of people and connections so that you can see the influence operations.
And unfortunately, what we're, what we're witnessing now in the Trump administration is a foreign influence operation.
Not Israeli.
We're not talking about the Jews here.
I know that some of you, your ears may be perked up.
It's not that kind of a podcast here.
But when I'm talking about foreign influence, I'm talking about all of the foreign meddling by places like Russia, Qatar, Turkey, Islamic countries, Russia, China, right?
The CCP.
And what's interesting is watching this web of influencers and then their relationship to people in the administration.
So how do you identify this influencer cabinet?
Pipeline.
Well, you look at people's tweet history.
You look at who people hang out with.
You look at their associations.
You examine their spouses, you examine their colleagues.
You look at them to see who they brought on right and what we found and what i've identified and when I say we, it's not just me.
A lot of people have identified this but what I specifically have noticed is that there is a very disturbing trend and pattern of an influencer cabinet pipeline from the Wokereich, this conspiracy theorist I use that term because these people are conspiracy theorists.
They are making claims okay, without providing any receipts, providing any evidence.
Um look, i've been called a conspiracy theorist, but there was a point where you could be called a conspiracy theorist and you know whether it was pertaining to Covid or it was pertaining to I don't know election fraud.
They use that term to diminish what we were saying, because what we were saying is true and a lot of people then started to develop this mindset of, oh well, if you're called a conspiracy theorist, it's because you're actually right.
And unfortunately, what we've seen happen over the last two, three years is there's this group of influencers who they they it's like a form of psychological warfare you have to give them credit for how clever this is.
They thought to themselves, okay well, if I just say that i'm being victimized and i'm being called a conspiracy theorist, then obviously people on the right are going to relate to me, because people have been so uh, basically like tuned out from the term conspiracy theorists and racist and Nazi and all these other terms that these words don't have meaning anymore.
And so you have these actual conspiracy theorists, actual Nazis, actual racists, trying to take advantage of the fact that people have been desensitized on the right to this terminology and they're using it to push the envelope and get away with their sensationalism, their lies, their foreign influence operations.
Because what did people hear for the last eight to nine years?
Russia collusion Russia this Russia that Russia, this.
Oh, conspiracy theory, this conspiracy, this conspiracy theory, that.
And now nobody really cares.
So they're able to gaslight you when you call somebody a conspiracy theorist or you call somebody a racist or you call somebody a Nazi, when they're actually being Nazis right, and actually being conspiracy theorists, because we always said that this was going to be a case of the boy who cried wolf.
In that there are Nazis, there are real conspiracy, conspiracy theorists.
And what happened is when the radical left use these terms to flippantly accuse anybody, right?
Soccer moms of being domestic terrorists who didn't want their kids having to use the same bathroom as transgenders, people who believe the election was stolen, people who didn't want to take an experimental vaccine.
They overuse these words to the point where they almost made it so that these words don't have any meaning anymore.
So what do these influencers now do?
Well, they behave like hardcore Nazis.
They blame Charlie Kirk's assassination on the Jews in Israel.
They'll blame the Jews for literally every single thing in our country.
We've talked about this extensively, okay?
They will make wild claims like Brigitte Macrone has a penis, right?
That's one of these conspiracy theories out there.
And if you call them a conspiracy theorist or you call them a neo-Nazi, or if you say that they're engaging in white, like actual white supremacist behavior, I'm not talking about like calling Trump and his supporters white supremacists.
I'm talking about actual white supremacist rhetoric, actual neo-Nazi rhetoric, actual conspiratorial rhetoric.
It just doesn't have the same meaning anymore because everybody has been so desensitized to it.
So now what we have is, you know, a group of these out of control influencers who now have some of the largest podcasts in the world and they're able to actually relate to a lot of these people who may not necessarily like agree with their views,
but they're also not going to be outraged when they're called a Nazi or when they're pushing actual Nazism or when they're engaging in full-blown conspiracy theories because people have just kind of become like unfazed by that word.
So if you were to have heard the word Nazi like years and years and years ago, your ears would perk up.
You'd probably get a little nervous, be like, where, where, where?
Now, right, you could just shout Nazi, racist, conspiracy theorists.
And people just, they're kind of like in this drone mindset, right?
Where they keep on like droning on and they're not exactly like being influenced by that at all.
They're not really having a visceral effect.
They're not feeling the emotion of what those words actually mean.
The real meaning of those words that have now been completely diminished because they've been misused by the radical left for so long and nothing's really being done about it.
And we're watching the radicalization of a lot of people in our country, right?
A lot of people in our country are being radicalized by these conspiracy theories online that are really just rooted in an animosity for Jewish people, Israel, evangelical Christians, President Trump.
And they've been able to spread.
They've been able to spread.
And I think that it's really reached a breaking point because it has penetrated the cabinet.
And this is the pipeline.
You'd think that this would stay with the influencers, but unfortunately, we have seen now that there are some people who work in the Trump administration who have these views.
And, you know, a lot of this has really started with the revelation that Tucker Carlson's son, Buckley, works for the vice president, JD Vance.
And people thought, oh, well, you know, it's really alarming that Buckley works for JD.
And wow, did you hear Tucker?
And, oh, he made this really weird comment at Charlie Kirk's funeral about the hummus eaters killing Jesus and killing Charlie.
And, you know, some people then just said, oh, well, you know, it was just kind of a provocative comment.
I'm just going to keep on moving along.
Oh, it's not a big deal.
It doesn't matter that his son works for the vice president.
You know, and then we find out that all these different people like start to have these same views.
And a lot of these staffers who ended up working with Tucker Carlson now work for Tulsi Gabbard.
And oh, Tucker Carlson's former producer works for Tulsi Gabbard at ODNI.
He's the director of the National Counterterrorism Center.
And what you realize is they have used these relationships with these podcasters and these influencers to traffic in these conspiracies into the administration.
And now we have reports out that some of these cabinet officials have actually been assisting the proliferation of these conspiracy theories, of this propaganda,
of this blood libel against Jewish people in the state of Israel, of these actual neo-Nazi anti-Trump conspiracy theories that are being generated by the IRGC and Hamas and Islamic terrorist organizations and then funneled through, right?
Funneled through as talking points to conservative influencers who then regurgitate this bullshit on their shows.
And then RT and all these like foreign publications, Muslim Brotherhood publications, Al Jazeera Qatar then clips that content, okay, the propaganda based off of lies and blood libel, and then they blast it out online and it's then further recycled and regurgitated.
And then this cycle is just a vicious cycle that keeps on repeating.
So after Joe Kent turned in his resignation letter several days ago, what did we see?
We saw that he said that Donald Trump was controlled by Netanyahu, that Donald Trump was controlled by Israel.
Again, doesn't show any evidence.
He says that his wife, who was killed by an ISIS terrorist while she was serving our country, actually was killed by Israel, right?
Even though he's on the record for years saying that his wife was killed by ISIS.
He then goes on to say, and we can get his resignation letter up on the screen.
We're going to be talking about this momentarily with my guest, Lee Smith of Tablet Magazine, the author of the China Matrix.
He's going to be joining me momentarily.
But I have to kind of set the stage for you to understand what's going on here, right?
Because you hear all these podcasters all the time, like I have sources and the government and oh, this person in the Trump administration messaged me and they try to say these things because they want to gain validity and they want to gain some kind of like respect for the blood libel, right?
Because people know that these conspiracies are just completely out of control, right?
They're not rooted in truth.
They're not rooted in any substance.
But if you're able to say something like, oh, a Trump official, a senior White House official, somebody in our Intel agency, somebody who works with Tulsi Gabbard, or in the case of Candace Owens, who said, oh, counterterrorism officials in our government told me that this is true.
Then, right, it gets picked up by the media and then people start to wonder, well, is this true?
Like, I mean, you see, anonymous sources are used constantly by reporters.
And this is the problem with modern day reporting: a lot of times it's total lies, it's complete bullshit.
And then other times, it's actually true.
And we're in this kind of age now where we're dealing with not just conspiracy theories, but the age of anonymous sources where people are kind of made to take a gamble on whether or not the information that they're receiving from these so-called anonymous sources is real or not, right?
So Joe Kent resigns.
And then one of the individuals at the center of Candace Owens's theory that Erica Kirk was at the Fort Huachuka Air Force facility in Arizona plotting the assassination of her husband.
Of course, this is not what I believe.
This is what Candace Owens has been promoting on her show.
This guy who apparently was the source, right?
And Candace Owens swore, his name is Mitch Snow, I believe, that he was vetted, right?
He was vetted by somebody in the Trump administration.
He was vetted by Intel officials, is what Candace Owens said.
He did an interview the other day on some kind of obscure podcast.
And they said, oh, well, Candace Owens says that you were vetted.
Who vetted you?
And then that's when everything just kind of exploded for Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent because Mitch Snow ended up admitting, oh, Joe Kent is the person who vetted me for Candace Owens, right?
So we get, we then started to realize that Joe Kent was Candace Owens' source for this information, right?
The lies that the French were trying to assassinate her, the lies that, oh, Israel was behind killing Charlie Kirk, the lie that Candace Owens spread that Kash Patel was covering up foreign influence and that Joe Kent was the hero of the Trump administration, trying to expose the fact that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, that Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk because he warned Donald Trump not to get involved in a war in Iran, right?
That is their theory.
And, you know, Joe Kent is now denying it.
He did an interview last night on Mark Levin.
We're going to play some of those clips.
I'm going to bring Lee Smith in to talk about this.
But it's very disturbing because Joe Kent isn't just some low-level official in the Trump administration.
This is the guy who is responsible for counterterrorism policy.
He was the director of the National Counterterrorism Center.
And unfortunately, we've had four Islamic terrorist attacks in our country over the last two weeks, three weeks, and several Americans have died.
And you have to ask yourself, like, why is our intel agencies, why is the director of national intelligence, why is the National Center for Counterterrorism not catching these Islamic terrorists before they open fire?
And then it just hits you like a brick in the head.
And you're like, holy shit.
The reason why we have all these Islamic terrorist attacks in our country is because the director of national counterterrorism is too busy listening to neo-Nazi podcasts and crackpot conspiracy theories and feeding content and lies to continue the spread of these conspiracy theories instead of actually doing his job to identify threats of Islamic terrorism.
And so Kent is out.
And now, really, the icing or the cherry on top of this cake was this report that came out today that I had really been hinting at for the last several weeks.
And yeah, it was reported today.
Get it up on the screen.
Joe Kent apparently is not just ending his, you know, his time as the director of the National Counterterrorism Center with his conspiracy theories and this very disrespectful letter to President Trump accusing President Trump of basically, you know, going to war for Israel and then going on Tucker Carlson's show and suggesting that the Trump administration was covering up the fact that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
But it actually came out today that Joe Kent said he told Michael Schellenberger that he would testify in the trial of Charlie Kirk's assassin, Tyler Robinson.
Not against Tyler Robinson, but for Tyler Robinson.
And so the director of national counterterrorism has now said that now former, right?
Former, because he resigned, that he is willing to advocate for the man who murdered Charlie Kirk because he wants to convince people that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
This is who's in charge of counterterrorism in our country.
And yet, Tulsi Gabbard is totally silent and it's kind of the elephant in the room.
So joining me now to discuss this dilemma and this, I'm just going to call it what it is.
It is a neo-Nazi.
It is a neo-Nazi foreign influence operation pipeline between radical influencers and Trump administration officials is Lee Smith, who works at the Tablet Magazine.
He's a journalist at Tablet Magazine, and he's also the author of the China Matrix.
So, Lee, thank you so much for joining me tonight on Loomer Unleash.
I don't know if you were able to listen to my opening monologue there, but it's become quite clear for a while now, and many of us have speculated that there are people in ODNI leaking a lot of these anti-Israel talking points.
And we've been saying it.
I know you've been reporting on this over the last several months.
I've been reporting on this the last several months.
And a lot of people have suspected that most of the leaks that come out of the intel community in the Trump administration to undermine our foreign policy, whether it be our dealings with Israel, our dealings with the Middle East, our dealings with Venezuela, have all come out of ODNI, right?
Because Tulsi Gabbard, of course, director of national intelligence is a Democrat and has a longstanding documented history of opposing President Trump's foreign policy and has decided to fill the ranks of these positions at ODNI with hardcore anti-Semites.
And you came out with a report today really kind of detailing this, asking the question if Tulsi Gabbard is going to be the next one to fall after, you know, just these outrageous accusations by Joe Kent against the Trump administration and complete silence from Tulsi Gabbard.
Well, that's one of the things that I find very bizarre because though she was right to explain what the role of an intelligence chief is to put information intelligence before the president who makes the decisions, having been elected by the American people, nonetheless, it was also, it's also her job as a Trump appointee to defend the policies of the president when she was testifying last week on the Hill, to defend the policies of the president in front of a very hostile audience.
And also the idea that neither she nor the vice president who reportedly met with Joe Kent before Kent filed, posted that really repugnant resignation letter, that neither of them were able to call or bring him off of the bring him off the brinking point.
And so again, the fact that the fact that neither the vice president nor especially the DNI, Tulsi Gabbard, was able to or mustered the courage to say, these are obscene lies.
The president, of course, is not under sway of foreign powers, just as he wasn't controlled by Russia, as people like John Brennan and James Comey said.
Of course, he's not under the sway of the government of Israel, any foreign power.
These are decisions that the president has made to defend the to defend the American homeland, to advance and protect America's peace and prosperity.
You said the podcasters and Trump officials who attach themselves like parasites to POTUS to draw power from him because they have no power of their own are losing because they lost the argument over Israel on the ground.
Me and Tablet Magazine.
And then, of course, there's a link to your article, your new article that just came out yesterday.
Who's the boss?
Joe Kent is out of the door at ODNI after blasting President Trump's Iran policy.
Is his boss, Tulsi Gabbard, next?
You know, it's interesting that you describe it that way too, right?
Because it's hard to not notice it's podcasters.
Never before in any presidential administration has a podcaster or any kind of podcasters really have this much relevance or this much sway.
And yet, unfortunately, we've seen that some of the top podcasters in America, like people like Candace Owens and people like Tucker Carlson, they have this very disturbing pipeline to some individuals in the administration who were brought in by Democrats.
I mean, it has to be said, right?
Because many of us warned against coalition building.
I know you were one of the people that warned against the coalition building.
We all knew that this was going to be a disaster.
I remember you calling me last year, us having many conversations about this, and it was only a matter of when, not if, but when it was going to blow up in everybody's face, Lee.
I mean, I think that, well, no, I was going to say that, look, one of the things that we've been reminded of while we've been concerned about the different people that have been brought into the administration, the fact is that the president, singularly, perhaps, among American presidents, has proved that he actually is the boss and he makes the call.
And so it certainly, I imagine it soothed a lot of nerves.
I know that I'm happy to see that the man I voted for in November is actually calling the shots.
Nonetheless, Laura, you're absolutely right.
And I would even say that the people who have said this is a coalition are wrong.
The president was elected because he's Donald Trump.
And what, you know, the most important thing, I think, that really drove people together and made people recognize who Donald Trump was and they didn't know beforehand was the fact that Donald Trump was shot in the head in Butler, Pennsylvania.
So the idea that somehow Trump was beholden to all these different figures who attached themselves to Trump, I think is preposterous.
I mean, I think that a lot of people have done good things on behalf of the president.
I think to a certain extent, Elon Musk did.
But also, we keep in mind, I mean, you know, it's the president who's the president who's running the show, not the influencers, not the various people who have come on board.
And the reason that a lot of these people attach themselves to Donald Trump is the same reason anyone does, because he's the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world.
And the fact is that Tucker Carlson took a lot.
We note that Tucker Carlson and others did not attack Trump personally, knowing that that might get them in trouble.
So what they did was they attacked Trump's policies.
They attacked Trump appointees in order to stay close to the president.
Because again, once these people are cut off from the real source of American power, which is the White House, then they're nothing.
These are just people screaming insane ideas into a wind tunnel.
I agree with you, but I don't think it's just about being cut off from the White House because not all of these people who are giving kind of a platform or an audience to these chaos agents, right?
These podcaster chaos agents, as I like to call them, are in the White House.
They're cabinet officials, but they're not necessarily working in the White House.
And so how problematic is it, in your opinion, that Tulsi Gabbard still has not issued a statement today after it was revealed that Joe Kent apparently told this reporter that if it came to it, he would testify in the trial of Tyler Robinson, not against Tyler Robinson as the director of or the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center.
He could have done good, right?
He could have actually testified and talked about how Tyler Robinson appears to have been in this radical trans Antifa terror cell, possibly maybe even that Groyper terror cell, right?
There's a lot of crossover between these trans movements and furry movements and the Groyper movements.
But instead of even using his position to explore these radical left terror cells in America, like Trantifa, he decided to completely fabricate, right?
fabricate a narrative of foreign influence.
And Tulsi Gabbard was his boss, whether she wants to admit it or not.
She can deflect all she wants during her Senate hearings and say that Donald Trump was his boss.
But at the end of the day, Tulsi Gabbard is the person who brought Joe Kent in as her interim chief of staff.
And then he was transitioned into this role as director of national counterterrorism.
I will say again that I think that the, I mean, it was last week for me that it was most notable.
I mean, the fact that the DNI didn't say anything in front of at least a half hostile audience, didn't say anything to defend the policies of the president.
I found that, I found it shocking again, because that's the job of a Trump appointee.
When you go to the Hill, you defend the policies of the president you serve.
Look, I want to say something about the Joe Kemp thing.
And I mean, your reporting on this has been fantastic.
And a lot of people have noted the, you know, the very disgusting and very disturbing aspects that this may help Charlie Kirk's assassin get off.
There's another point to this, and that is, Laura, certainly you've covered a lot of the anti-Israel stuff.
You've covered a lot of the anti-Israel protests.
You covered the meltdown throughout the United States, the different college campuses, the protests, these vicious protests.
I had a Hezbollah and a Hamas flag literally shoved in my face, and I was spit on by these pro-Hamas radicals calling me a kite and telling me that I should be killed by Hamas.
And we know that there are foreign powers that are pouring money into anti-Israel and chiefly anti-American activism.
So when the former director of the NCTC says stuff like this, it's so outrageous, right?
So it's very destructive for this particular case, right?
For the case against Charlie Kirk's assassin, but it's also very destructive.
It obscures, it's so crazy.
It obscures the reality that there are really foreign powers that are putting money into anti-American, anti-Israel activism here in the United States.
So I see it as a dual problem.
There are two different issues going on here.
And I think that needs to be brought out as well, because this is essential for our country that we do understand the foreign powers that are messing here with our internal politics.
But the idea that this was a part of Charlie Kirk's murder, and as I report in this piece, Joe Kent first said what he was telling law enforcement officials, he thought that the Iranians might be behind it.
So of course, when he resigns and he appears to be in trouble with a reported investigation, now he starts blaming Israel, right?
Because that's the convenient excuse now for the anti-Semitic podcast crew, right?
So he's misdirecting attention from the bad things that he did and trying to obscure facts by putting on Israel.
But the nuttiness of the whole thing, again, the other thing that's getting obscured is we do have a problem with bad foreign actors in this country.
And what I find to be really interesting about Tyler Robinson's case is we were told that there was a Discord channel and there were all these tweets online of people with all these Palestinian flags.
I mean, I have to say it, Palestinian flags in their bio saying Charlie Kirk is going to die today.
Charlie Kirk is going to get shot in the throat.
There was a tweet online posted by somebody with a Palestinian flag in their bio and a trans flag that said that.
And I saw there was a report and people have connected that there were these like militant transgender militias, essentially.
And they were a bunch of gays and transgenders training each other how to use weapons to fight fascism.
That's what they, that's what they call themselves.
And one of the leaders of this movement is a Palestinian woman.
And the group that was responsible for training these transgenders, and there was previous reporting on this too, apparently received funding from overseas in the Middle East, right?
Specifically, Qatar.
And so we were told by the FBI director that they were going to be looking into all 20, they said like 20 or 22 individuals.
And I'm sure you heard the same thing because it was news for a while who were in the Discord chat.
Like who knew?
Because they said that it was premeditated, excuse me, and that people knew before Charlie Kirk was assassinated that Tyler Robinson was going to do it.
And then there was chatter apparently in this Discord.
That's what was reported after the fact.
And then members said, wow, like he really did it.
He really did it.
So to this day, we still have no idea who those members are from that Discord channel.
And Joe Kent could have used his position as the director of the National Counterterrorism Center to go look into those transgender terror cells, right?
That's his job.
You have domestic terrorism, you have foreign terrorism.
But it's really an indictment on the failed leadership of Tulsi Gabbard and also the failed leadership of Joe Kent.
That the president of the United States on September 25th, really shortly after, about a week and a half after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, issued a directive designating Antifa as a terrorist organization and then ordered the DOJ and the respective agencies in his administration to investigate these terror pipelines of Antifa in America.
Did Joe Kent ever do that or was he too busy feeding lies to Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and Max Blumenthal?
Yeah, well, this should have all of us concerned because there's a, I mean, look, neither of us can see into the future and see what's going to happen in the 28 election.
But should the Democrats win in the 28 election, I mean, it's possible we could be in a worse place in three years than we were two years ago.
And the fact that these Antifa people are still on the loose, the fact that there's been no real effort.
I mean, you know, I'm sure FBI Director Kash Patel is on the ball and looking into it.
But this was a real opportunity to go after Antifa and to really nail some scalps to the wall.
Instead, we've been going through mayhem and tragically, Joe Kent has only augmented the madness because, yeah, you're right.
Antifa is a big problem around the country.
And we had an opportunity to really go after that 100%.
President Trump has the most miraculous and amazing political comeback in American history.
And everybody thought, all right, we're going to dismantle the radical left networks.
We're going to shut down all these radical 501c3s.
We're going to designate Antifa.
We're going after all these networks.
And I mean, I don't know about you, but have you seen a single Antifa terrorist or any of these Islamic terror networks operating on U.S. soil be shut down?
I mean, every single week, Loomer unleashes outside of the White House.
And we see people wearing Hamas and Hezbollah flags and bandanas and carrying the flag of the IRGC Lee chanting death to America.
I mean, we document this every single week.
Loomer unleashes outside the White House or up on Capitol Hill filming these domestic Islamic terrorists and Antifa insurgents.
So I just, I'm trying to understand what Joe Kent accomplished and whether or not, right, he is just an extension of this foreign influence operation.
Because if I wanted to extend the terror threat in America, what would I do?
I would have somebody basically positioned as the director of the National Counterterrorism Center who maybe has the image, right?
Combat veteran, has a wife who, you know, was killed by a terrorist.
to create this image of false hope for the American people that they're actually going to make you safe.
They're actually going to crack down on terrorism.
Nobody's going to suspect that the guy whose wife was killed by ISIS terrorists is going to be blaming everything on the Jews.
But it's been absolutely incredible to watch Joe Kent go from talking about the threat of Iran, talking about the threat of ISIS, to now even blaming his wife's tragic murder on Israel.
Not ISIS, even though it's been well documentedly, he's blaming it on the Jews.
Well, Laura, I think this actually goes back to something else that you've reported and you've really been on this, which is the fact that, look, again, I think we agree it was not a coalition that won for Donald Trump.
What it was is that Donald Trump promised to make America normal again, right?
That we weren't going to have these different lunatics running around college campuses and running around American cities and hoisting the Palestinian flag in our nation's capital.
We were going to return to something normal.
And thank goodness that terrified and alarmed many ordinary Americans who said, you know, even though I don't love Donald Trump, Donald Trump is a normal American guy.
I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.
But what happens when you have when basically you're promoting not Donald Trump, but people who have pushed themselves into the Trump circle, who are pushing instead the Jew hate, right?
Who are pushing these freaks, who are pushing the Groypers, who are pushing this anti-Israel, anti-Jew paranoia.
I mean, that really kind of evens the score.
So what are people going to say?
Like, well, you know, I don't, I, of course, I despise Hamas, but I'm not sure that I love these, you know, these Adolf Hitler fanboys either.
So that's been incredibly destructive.
I mean, again, that's the podcasters.
And unfortunately, some of the people inside the administration have tolerated this much too much.
So that's a very big deal.
One of the things that I'll say about foreign influence, something happened, which I consider very significant this past weekend.
I'm sure you saw it too, Laura.
You may have talked about it.
But the clip coming out of The Economist, the interview with Tucker Carlson, where he starts mouthing Chinese Communist Party talking points about how China is so big, China is inevitable, that the United States has to share power with China.
So I think that gives us a very, very interesting insight into what's been happening, certainly for the last year.
We'd been accustomed to thinking that a lot of this activity was going on on the left, the Democrats being structurally the pro-China party.
And now that you see sort of the prince of anti-Trump schemers, Tucker Carlson, mouthing pro-Chinese Communist Party talking points, I think we should be able to draw a big picture and see what's happening here in the United States.
And of course, I saw, I reported on that as well, talked about it just absolutely ridiculous, talking about how it's inevitable that Taiwan is going to fall to China and that we're not going to get involved and that the United States should just allow for Taiwan to be completely invaded by China.
But what was even more disturbing than that is, you know, what I've noticed, and I tweeted about this, is Tucker Carlson seems to time his interviews and to really time the release of these provocative statements as it relates to the statements of loyalty or statements of support for our foreign adversaries, whether it be Islamic adversaries or Russia or China.
And he always does it when President Trump is getting ready to make a big decision or make some big travel plan as it pertains or relates to the country that is being discussed.
So, for example, when President Trump was trying to negotiate the release of the hostages in Gaza, what did Tucker Carlson do?
He flew to Qatar.
He started doing a lot of interviews with the Iranians and the Qataris and talking about how Hamas really isn't a terrorist organization.
And I tweeted this and you can show all the different examples.
When President Trump wanted to carry out airstrikes in Nigeria, Tucker Carlson said, oh, we're going to have a war in Africa.
We're going to have a bunch of American white men from Iowa and from the Midwest go and die for a bunch of Africans.
That's actually not what happened.
And then, you know, we had these calculated airstrikes and he had this guy named Bob Amsterdam, who is a lobbyist for the Nigerian government.
Of course, the Nigerian government is an Islamic government and they are persecuting Christians.
And what does he do?
He says that it's a conspiracy theory without disclosing the fact that this guy is a lobbyist.
When the president was talking about Operation Midnight Hammer and wanted to strike Iran's nuclear facilities, what does Tucker Carlson do?
He interviews the president of Iran and says that Iran never actually tried to assassinate President Trump, that it was a lie and that President Trump must be losing his mind because that never happened.
When President Trump invaded Venezuela and captured Nicolas Maduro with like overwhelming approval from everybody in Venezuela, I mean, it's like you're absolutely right.
I mean, he says it's globo hobo, right?
And now what do we have?
He's mimicking Chinese propaganda.
Why?
Because this week, if it wasn't because of the Iran war, President Trump would have been in China this week.
President Trump would have been visiting and meeting with Xi Jinping this week.
And we know that the president has since rescheduled his meeting with Xi Jinping.
And Tucker Carlson makes these inflammatory talking points.
Well, you think that the Chinese don't know that his son, Buckley, is working in the office of the vice president when he's making these very provocative statements.
So I find it to be rather not just provocative, disrespectful, but also treasonous that he times these foreign influence interviews, right?
There really needs to be some kind of article.
Maybe this could be your next article, Lee, kind of like an examination of what crosses the line.
Like when does something, when is something not journalism and when is it foreign lobbying?
And of course, it's something we've all been thinking about for a while.
This is very destructive and very dangerous.
And of course, you know, the reports have shown that Joe Kent may have leaked some of the information he had to media, including Tucker Carlson.
I mean, these are according to reports.
I have no insight into this at all.
But yeah, I agree.
I think at a certain point, we talked about this during Russia Gate all the time, right?
When there were people at the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, wherever they were, and they were running a propaganda campaign to destroy Donald Trump.
And as it turns out, to destabilize the government of the United States.
So I see no reason why people who ostensibly align themselves with the right, why they should not be at least subject to the same sort of criticism and the same sort of scrutiny from media.
We're not talking about, I'm not talking about investigations or prosecutions right now.
What I'm talking about is that, right, if the people at the Washington Post, the serial, the people who served as a platform for intelligence operations, for leaks of classified intelligence, if these are bad guys, then what about some of the people on the right who are doing exactly the same thing?
And I think they should at the very least be subject to the same sort of criticism and the same sort of scrutiny.
When we talk about, when we talk about, you know, this, this, this meme we see or this quote we see all the time on Twitter, you can't hate the media enough.
Well, I'm afraid it's coming to a point where we might be able to say you can't hate, you can't hate phony influencers enough because they've caused an awful lot of trouble for the president and for the country.
They're trying to use this culture of influence journalism or independent media to say, oh, I'm just having a conversation.
Or as Tucker Carlson likes to say, I'm just asking questions, right?
I'm just asking questions.
Well, believe it or not, we actually had laws in this country about Americans being able to just ask questions of foreign governments, especially asking questions of foreign governments and influencing policies, right?
When you are trying to present yourself as a representative of the United States government and you're not, right?
It's called the Logan Act.
It's called FARA.
But what we saw, and this is what I said in my opening tonight, and you have to give them credit because it's actually quite brilliant.
And maybe you've picked up on this.
Maybe you haven't.
What they're doing is they're basically running a copy and paste, copy and paste, Lee, that's what it is, of RussiaGate.
That's what they're doing.
And they're absolutely.
But what they're doing, though, Lee, is they're taking advantage of the way that the GOP and people were desensitized to these terms of Russian interference, foreign interference, foreign collusion, conspiracy theories, right?
Russia, Russia, Russia, Qatar, Qatar, Qatar.
And so now, right, when you hear these things, because the media participated in these foreign influence operations for so long, a lot of conservatives don't take it seriously anymore.
So when you tell them, oh, this is a foreign influence operation, this is like Russian propaganda, like actual Russian propaganda, not made up Russian propaganda with like a steel dossier, right?
Actual Russian propaganda with Dugan reposting Tucker Carlson and talking about all the best influencers that people should follow and monitor, right?
Without people saying, wait a minute, I don't get it.
This is too confusing.
On the other hand, I do think I am confident in the good sense of the American people, when there are influencers who are promoting Alexander Dugan or these other garbage individuals, or they're promoting these foreign countries.
I think a lot of Americans see this like, that's just disgusting.
I don't care what they say about the Moscow Metro.
I don't care what they say about Russian supermarkets.
I don't care what they say about the benefits of Sharia law.
The whole thing just seems appalling to me.
And I love the United States and these guys are grossing me out.
So I think that finally it comes down to, it comes down to the good common sense, the hoarse sense of the American public.
And Laura, I mean, really, that's how I see the work you do and the work that I see I do.
We are out to represent solid Americans who know what truth, who know what garbage looks like.
And we speak out for that and we report that.
But yeah, what you're saying about Russia Gate being used as cover, it's disgusting.
There's another thing too, that Russagate, RussiaGate and other bad things that have happened over the last decade have made so many people, especially on the right, especially Trump supporters, distrust the press entirely, which of course we have plenty of reason to do so.
What a lot of these people are doing, whether it's Tucker Carlson, whoever it is, they're preying on the anxiety, the fears, and the anger of the American public.
What the right should have done, what right-wing media personalities should have done and said, look, I understand that you don't trust different people and you shouldn't.
I don't either.
What I'm going to do is I'm going to do my best to relay my reporting to you, my insight to you, my understanding of what the world looks like.
They didn't do that.
They preyed on their fears because these people are predators.
They're very sinister, very bad people who have been doing this to our public.
And, you know, not only do they distrust the press, but they've also been able to weaponize Russia collusion and the Russia gate to carry out, you know, kind of like I said, a blueprint of Russia Gate, but actual Russia gate, not made up Russia gate, but they're, and they're also replicating it with other countries, right?
So it's not just Russia, it's Turkey, it's Qatar, it's Iran, it's a lot of different countries.
And unfortunately, unfortunately now, we've seen that this distrust for the media has now turned into an anti-Semitic trope because the same people that say don't trust the media are saying, well, the Jews control the media.
And so now people like you and I, right, we're told, oh, well, you know, you work for Tablet.
Oh, you're pushing Zionist propaganda.
You're an Israeli agent.
Oh, Laura Loomer is Jewish.
Okay, well, she's just pushing Israeli propaganda.
And even if you show everybody all the receipts and you show everybody all the documentation and all the evidence and you show them how they're being manipulated by this web of foreign influence and you, I said it in my monologue tonight, like you act like one of these detectives from these 1950s and 1960s movies and you print out the photos and you put the safety pin on the wall and you make a whole big show eventually.
I'm confident that most Americans, most Jews, most Christians, they know that that's garbage.
They recognize Israel.
They recognize Israel as a very important American ally.
Israel is proving, as I wrote in this tablet piece today, it's proving to be the most important wartime ally we've had since Winston Churchill held off the Nazis until FDR could get into World War II and help defeat the Nazis.
So Israel, most Americans understand that.
And also most Americans understand that Jews are at the root of America.
You hear people talking about, oh, the Schofield Bible and this biblical commentary from 1901, that's what fooled everyone into being Zionists.
No, the reason that there are towns like Goshen, New York, towns named after Goshen, towns named after Jerusalem, it's not because of anything like that.
Because the people who settled this country believed that they themselves were living, they had modeled themselves, modeled their pilgrimage to the new world, modeled it after the Jews of the Old Testament.
And hence, if you read American literature, if you read American history from the 17th, 18th, 19th century, the different names of people come from the Bible.
Why?
Because we revered the Jews.
Americans revere the Jews.
Americans are at the root of our founding.
So most Americans understand this.
The people who are turning into, who are falling for anti-Semitic propaganda, these people, God bless them, may God save their souls.
Once you fall down that trap, it's very hard to get out.
And the way that I think about it is anti-Semitism is the curse of anti-Semitism, right?
Because what happens if you start thinking like this and you start believing these stupid, foolish, self-destructive things, you can't think straight, right?
You can't think straight for yourself, for your family, for your community.
That's your curse.
Once you start to think that the entire world is shaped by Jews, that you have no control over your own fate, and that you can't make decisions over your family or community, that's a tragedy for you.
That's going to come back much more on you than it will on the Jews.
That's how I see it.
Nonetheless, I agree with you to see this stuff spreading on social media and to see this stuff not just now on the left, but on the right in much smaller numbers.
Like there are people I know, like very well-off people, people that are totally normal, doctors, school teachers.
I mean, people that I know in politics, people who I've known for 12 years, and they're like, oh, well, they'll make these weird comments when I'm on the phone with them.
And they're like, oh, well, obviously you must think like Erica Kirk killed her husband, right?
I'm like, what are you talking about?
Like, oh, well, clearly, like, you know, that kind of bullet couldn't just go through Charlie's neck.
It would have just blown his whole head off.
Like, clearly, this was like an Israeli operation.
And these are not like crazy people.
These are very established people saying this stuff.
And it's horrifying to me.
It's horrifying hearing people who I've actually respected say these things to me.
And I don't even talk to some people anymore because I just, I cannot believe that people are this depraved.
That once people on the left started to fall for this conspiracy theory that Donald Trump was controlled by Vladimir Putin.
And once this started to, and then COVID, of course, once these things started to pollute our information ecosystem, you could see a friend of mine, a tablet, puts it very well.
He said, you know, you could construct a conspiracy theory without Jews, but that would be like having an orchestra without a string section, right?
So at a certain point, the Jews are always going to be inserted into some mad conspiracy theory.
So in a way, I mean, in a way, I've seen this building for at least a decade now.
And so it doesn't surprise me that much.
Nonetheless, I'm still confident in the good sense of the American people, though I hear it too, Laura.
I hear it from people in Washington.
I hear it from people in New York.
And it's extremely poisonous and extremely dangerous.
Nonetheless, I think the people, the people who will pay the highest price for anti-Semitism are the anti-Semites.
Historically, that's how it looks.
Going back to the Bible, that's who pays most dearly.
Another thing that I wanted to talk to you about, I posted earlier this morning, and I'm going to get this tweet pulled up, but I posted earlier this morning about how I truly do believe that there's going to be another 9-11 style attack.
And I think that our adversaries, our enemies, Islamic terrorists are taking advantage.
I mean, we see this in the way that Islamic groups, designated terrorist organizations are amplifying these trad Catholics, right?
You see that there's this very weird alliance between designated Islamic terror groups and they're starting to amplify each other.
And it's like, whoa, why are conservative Catholics amplifying a designated Islamic terrorist organization that is supporting Rashida Talibur Ilhan Omar?
And you start to see all these conservative influencers talk about how great Islamic culture is and go on all these trips to the Muslim countries and start temping for all these Muslim nations.
And what I'm worried about, especially now that we see that, you know, the shocking resignation of Joe Kent and just these outbursts where he's now trying to aid Charlie Kirk's assassin, blaming Israel for killing his wife, even though it was ISIS, right?
Goes on and on and on.
You have the person in charge of monitoring terrorism and preventing, right?
His job is counterterrorism in America, believing that the biggest terror threat in America are Jews.
The biggest terror threat are Jewish people, not Muslim terrorists, not the millions of Iranian proxies or the illegal aliens or the fact that we have ISIS in all 50 states, according to the FBI.
None of that.
No, he believes that Jewish people are the biggest threat, just like Candace Owens believes that your local Chabad is the biggest terror threat in your community, just like Tucker Carlson seems to believe that Jewish people are the most violent people in the world.
He says that Israel is the most violent country in the world, right?
That's what he says.
So what does it mean for the safety of the American people and the future of national security when the people who are in charge of presenting intelligence reports to the president of the United States and delivering a counterterrorism strategy for national security officials, right?
That's Tulsi Gabbard.
Like she's the one who's in charge here.
Joe Kent worked with her.
What does that mean for the future of America?
And do you think that our national security and counterterrorism strategy is currently compromised, given the fact that a bunch of Holocaust deniers, Jew haters, and just like rabid anti-Israel conspiracy theorists and Islamic sympathizers seem to be occupying ODNI?
A lot of people in my community where I live were extremely concerned about the attack on the Detroit, West Bloomfield, Michigan synagogue.
They were extremely, many, though many don't listen to Tucker Carlson, of course, but they heard about it and they were very concerned about what he was saying about Chabad.
And, you know, I mean, I mean, Chabad, as far as I'm concerned, I mean, Chabad, you know, I know the point of Chabad is to augment and support and cultivate Jewish life in Jewish communities.
But, you know, I'm not Jewish, but Chabad, I think, is good for any community.
I mean, it's just such a beautiful group, a beautiful group of people.
And so people were very worried about that.
And more something we talked about before we traded a message or two about it was my concerns, your concerns as well.
You talk about a mass casualty event and attack in the United States.
Yeah, I'm extremely concerned about that.
And this is, you know, we've had a lot of, a lot of problem people here for a long time.
But what happened after Joe Biden opened up the borders of this country, kept them open for four years.
The number of bad people who kept in, who came in during that period is very, very high, right?
So that's actually been my concern, right?
A lot of the illegal aliens from Latin America, that's a big problem for our country.
But for me, one of the big focuses has really been on people, terrorists.
and terror supporters who have crossed our borders.
And if we look at the different problems at Columbia University, for instance, there's Mammoun Khalil, who's still here.
There's Mossan Madawi.
He's here as well.
And these are people who went out there and caused big problems at Columbia.
They weren't just protesting.
They weren't just exercising their free speech.
And of course, they have no free speech rights because they're not American citizens, right?
But these were people who helped who incited violence against Jews, not just against Israel, but Jews at college campuses around the country.
So yeah, I'm extremely worried about that.
And if you look actually at what's happened over the last year, the different attacks, the different attacks waged by Muslim terrorists in this country.
I mean, we've all read the reports about what might have happened in Michigan.
Had this guy not been stopped?
Had this guy driven a different way?
Have the security guards not been there?
Had the security guards not, and really I think that the FBI deserves tremendous credit for that, for training the security guards at this synagogue.
And I'm certain that they're doing this around the rest of the country as well, which is great.
And so I certainly commend Kash Patel and others at the FBI for it.
But what would have happened had that gone the other way?
I mean, we're talking about kids in school because that's a lot of what Chabad does.
We're talking about kids in school.
We're talking about teachers.
We're talking about parents.
I mean, there were a lot of people there at that time.
So yes, this is one of the things that definitely has me concerned.
And the idea that there's a lot of cover being put down for this by people, by the anti-Semites, by the Jew haters, by people who say, Yeah, making excuses for it.
I mean, to the point where it's now entering politics.
I mean, in Michigan, you have a Muslim candidate running for U.S. Senate by the name of Abdul al-Syed.
And instead of expressing horror and condemnation for this Islamic terrorist attack that happened on a Jewish school, he said, well, they had it coming.
I mean, he literally issued a campaign statement saying they had it coming.
And said that if Israel hadn't apparently killed his brother or killed his brother's kids, apparently his brother was a member of Hezbollah.
First of all, there's nothing confirming this guy's claims or his friends' claims that he was rattled by the fact is two brothers and his this and that were killed.
One of this guy's brother was a Hezbollah commander in charge of a rocket team, right?
So the retaliation for that, what we're talking about is specifically, we're talking about a Hezbollah sleeper cell, right?
Where there are many thousands of pro-Hezbo, pro-Hezboha activists in Dearborn, Michigan.
This is a very, very big issue.
People made up imaginary stories about what had happened here.
But that's what I'm saying, though, is that we now see, instead of people coming out together and saying, oh, my God, it's so horrific that we have Islamic terrorists and sleeper cells in America, you now have actual U.S. Senate candidates.
And we can get it pulled up on the screen.
I posted it on my Loomer Unleashed account today.
This guy is probably going to end up being the Democrat nominee for U.S. Senate in Michigan because the whole place has just been taken over by Muslims and he's justifying it.
He's spreading this lie, this propaganda that hasn't even been verified that, oh, the IDF killed his family members.
So he wanted to go kill a bunch of Jewish kids.
And it's like, we're supposed to say, okay, that's fair.
That's fair.
Like, let's go kill a bunch of American kids because what the hell do American Jewish kids have anything to do with the IDF taking out a Hezbollah commander?
I mean, and then Tucker Carlson repeats the same exact lie.
Let's go ahead and show the tweet and then we'll show the video.
Let's get that tweet up really quick so you can see it.
Democrat Michigan, United States Senate candidate Abdul Al-Syed, Muslim, of course, released a video in which he's sympathetic to the Michigan Islamic terrorists who attacked a Jewish preschool.
Said, quote, a week earlier, an airstrike killed his niece and nephew.
Imagine if that had never happened.
Like, oh, well, you know, if you don't want to get attacked by Muslims, then maybe you shouldn't support Israel.
This is a guy running for office.
He gets the support of Chuck Schumer, gets the support of Democrat institutional money behind his race.
They branded this guy when he ran for governor of Michigan several years ago in 2018 as the next Obama, right?
But the Obama that isn't afraid of openly being Muslim, right?
The Obama that doesn't have to lie about not being a Muslim, right?
Says El Syed continued his rant, proclaiming his support for open borders.
Quote, they'll tell us that some people are inherently evil.
Yeah, actually, if you are a Hezbollah terrorist and you ram a car into a preschool and you try to kill a bunch of two-year-olds, you're pretty fucking evil.
They'll tell us that the system of immigration that allowed him to come here should be dismantled, like literally advocating for the terrorist and saying that it's okay that he came here, that he's an immigrant, and that he's a terrorist because, you know, they need to change their behavior and we shouldn't be blaming the terrorists.
Our state was rocked by news of a heinous attack on Temple Israel, a synagogue in West Bloomfield, Michigan.
An armed assailant drove his truck into the building where there are 140 children.
Because of the heroism of temple security and law enforcement, the assailant was disarmed and ultimately killed.
No teachers, children, or congregants were physically harmed.
I'm so relieved.
I grew up not 15 minutes away from Temple Israel.
Many of my childhood friends and classmates worshiped there.
I shudder to think through the emotions of the parents whose children were in the synagogue.
This attack will leave scars on the inside that'll stay with the community for decades.
These scars, they'll echo centuries of trauma on the part of the Jewish people, calling back the memories of atrocities, including the Holocaust, against Jewish people that are torn afresh every time something like this happens.
To my Jewish sisters and brothers, I want to reaffirm my commitment to your rights to worship, to learn, to practice, and to celebrate your faith.
Anti-Semitism has no place in our communities, ever.
Full stop.
Yesterday, we also learned that the attacker was Ayman Ghazali.
He was Arab American and Muslim.
I condemn what he did.
There is never a justification for attacking innocent people or houses of worship.
Never.
As an epidemiologist, I've spent my career studying the worst things that happen to people to understand how to stop them from happening.
And I'll never forget one of the simplest lessons I learned while on my psychiatry rotation in medical school.
Hurt people, hurt people.
Violence is a cycle.
Ayman Ghazali lost family, including two children, in an airstrike in Lebanon last week.
They were innocent people.
And then in an evil act of displaced rage, he tried to take it out on innocent children who had nothing to do with the loss of the innocent children he lost, except that they share a faith.
Temple Israel is not the state of Israel.
Jewish people are not the state of Israel.
And the people of Israel are not the political actors who make direct choices for the state of Israel.
We cannot and must not conflate these and act rooted in anti-Semitism.
One can have righteous anger at the actions of the state of Israel while expressing solidarity with the Jewish people, including Jewish people in Israel.
The conflation of these, whether in the dastardly way Emil Ghazadi did or in an effort to use the specter of anti-Semitism to defend the indefensible, it sits at the root of our failure to stop this violence.
Ayman Ghazali hurt people.
There is no justification for what he did.
It was wrong and he never should have done it.
Hurt people hurt people.
A week earlier, an airstrike killed his niece and nephew.
Imagine if that had never happened.
Imagine there was no war in Iran.
Imagine if there were no airstrikes in Lebanon.
Imagine if his family had never died.
Imagine there was never an attack on Temple Israel.
That's the world that we want to live in.
That's the world we need to build for.
Violence always begets violence.
Only peace can extinguish that.
Because hurt people hurt people.
In the coming weeks, a narrative is going to take hold.
It'll be shaped in part by the very people who launched that war that led to those airstrikes that killed those children that drove this crazed attacker to violence against innocent people at a synagogue in Michigan.
They'll tell us that some people are inherently evil.
They'll tell us that the system of immigration that allowed him to come here should be dismantled.
And they'll use it all to justify the war that created this in the first place.
When the powerful pit us against each other, we all lose.
When the powerful start wars, we can't know what the consequences will be.
When we fail to ask why, we miss the opportunity to address the cycle of violence in the first place.
So what now?
We ought to grieve for the internal scars that the children of Temple Israel and their parents and families will carry with them for decades.
We ought to grieve for the children who are dying at the hands of airstrikes.
We ought to grieve for the communities being told that we are powerless to show up for one another's pain.
And we ought to grieve for a world that so quickly forgets to grieve.
And then, in our grief, we ought to do the thing that Ayman Ghazadi was too small to do.
Rather than allow ourselves to be plunged deeper into the cycle of violence, we ought to commit ourselves to work to ending it.
We can and must condemn the attack on Temple Israel.
And we can and must condemn the violence 6,000 miles away.
And we can and must condemn the broken politics that allows leaders to make war that they pretend has no consequences.
Violence never ends violence.
It only perpetuates it.
May we have the foresight, the courage, and the strength to stand in the breach.
Well, and also just this moral grandstanding about how we have to condemn the foreign policy of a foreign nation.
Israel has a right to defend itself, just like America is a sovereign nation.
Israel is a sovereign nation.
And he's basically saying that if you want to be sad about a terrorist, an Islamic terrorist, I noticed that he called him an armed assailant.
He didn't call him an Islamic terrorist, right?
Because of course, you know, he's in Michigan.
He's got to get the Muslim vote.
He's not going to get all the Muslims to vote for him if he calls him an Islamic terrorist because he calls him an armed assailant, right?
I mean, there's a big difference between an armed assailant and an Islamic terrorist.
You just see the bastardization of language to desensitize people to the reality around them.
The fact that we have millions of Iranian proxies, whether they're Hezbollah or Hamas sleeper cells, as you pointed out, millions of these people living in our country, and many of these people currently actually running for office after becoming naturalized citizens in our country, Lee.
So the fact that he believes that you can only express grief for the children inside the synagogue who were almost slaughtered by a Muslim terrorist, if you also condemn justified airstrikes on Hamas in Gaza.
And in lots of ways, I mean, you know, I'm going to blame us Americans for we should have expected more and we should demand more and we should continue to demand more.
For instance, that's unacceptable.
Here's what we want you to do.
If you're running for office, we expect you not only to condemn the act, we expect you to warn constituents from those communities that should they continue to do this, that they will be in big trouble with the law and they will help root out the bad guys in those communities.
But of course, this is not what we're seeing because we've been to, I mean, Laura, again, this is something we traded, we traded messages about briefly before, but this has been going on since well before the World Trade Center bombing in 2001.
And the fact is that we've kept our borders open.
And again, that Joe Biden threw our borders wide open during his four years in office.
And a lot of these people have come to the country to cause great harm to Americans and American interests here at home.
And there should be very serious warnings.
There should be very serious threats.
And unfortunately, that hasn't happened.
The things that have happened instead that we've made excuses, we've made excuses.
And this is what this guy's doing, of course, right?
He's making, he's rationalizing it.
And there's absolutely no room for that.
Instead, he should step to the other side and start making threats to bad people in that community saying, if you keep this up, we're going to take you on ourselves because you're causing us trouble.
You're causing our whole community trouble here in the United States.
And the fact that no one's really done that in the United States from that community is a big problem that we're going to, that we need, and we're not going, not in the future, but right now.
Because again, this comes back to what happens in 2029 if we're looking at historical patterns and there's a Democrat who's president and those borders are open once again.
And there's hundreds of thousands of more people who issue from countries and enclaves that produce terrorists.
Well, I think what's even more disturbing than that, Lee, is the fact that Joe Kent had not yet resigned from his post as director of National Counterterrorism Center when this attack happened.
And I didn't see a single statement from the director of the National Counterterrorism Center.
So I guess it's not terrorism if Jewish people are getting attacked.
And I've noticed this very disturbing trend.
And I love Donald Trump.
I think that Donald Trump is a great president for all Americans.
He has shown that he has moral clarity as it relates to standing up against anti-Semitism and speaking out against Jew hatred and being a pro-Israel, pro-Jewish America first president.
But it needs to be said that his administration does have an anti-Semitism problem.
And when we look at the title of your article that you just published the other day, who's the boss?
Well, Trump is the boss.
So the boss ultimately has the executive power to make the decision, Lee, as you know, to find a solution to a moral problem.
And that's why we elect leaders and we get to, you know, we live in this constitutional republic.
We have this beautiful right of being able to choose who we want to represent us because we get to have a choice between different candidates and we have primaries and we get to judge people just like there's going to be a primary in 2028.
And we're going to be able to discuss the moral and character flaws of some of the candidates that are being hoisted upon us almost like a coronation ahead of 2028.
We're going to be able to have conversations about moral clarity and which candidates have moral clarity.
And we're going to be able to go to the ballot box and vote.
Hopefully we have the Save America Act and we're not going to have illegal aliens voting in our elections.
And we're going to be able to, as Americans, pick the person who has the most moral clarity, right?
The American people chose Donald Trump because Donald Trump has moral clarity.
And so it is time for President Trump.
I don't know if his advisors are showing him all of this.
I don't know if his advisors are telling him the extent of Kent leaking to podcasters who hate Donald Trump, who hate Jews, who love Islamic terrorists.
But it's time for President Trump and the Trump administration to put the moral clarity hammer down and reassert, as you said, who's the boss.
And sometimes when you have to reassert who's the boss, people get fired.
And I personally think it's a moral abomination that Tulsi Gabbard Lee has not issued a statement condemning Joe Kent leaking to Max Blumenthal, leaking to Tucker Carlson, leaking to Candace Owens.
And it's an abomination that Tulsi Gabbard, who had the audacity to speak at Charlie Kirk's memorial, has not condemned Joe Kent, her interim chief of staff, saying that he will testify to aid the assassin of Charlie Kirk.
So I don't even think President Trump should give her the dignity of a resignation.
I think that Tulsi Gabbard should be fired.
And that's my position tonight through this interview.
I'll say it live on air.
I think that President Trump should fire Tulsi Gabbard.
She has not shown that she has moral clarity.
She is not fit to be producing intelligence reports for the president of the United States.
I think the case that I argue in my piece is certainly there's a big problem there.
And the fact that Joe Kent was leaking the whole time and DNI was apparently alerted to this and the leaking continued is a problem.
I mean, right now, one of the reasons that or the big reason that the leakers, the leakers and losers and the podcasters and the schemers are losing right now is because they've lost the argument on the ground, right?
As Israel is proving to be a, again, a great wartime ally.
Also, Donald Trump is winning.
So I think that's the most important thing right now for the president continue.
This is a very serious war and it decides not only what's happening now, but it will decide our future peace and prosperity.
And this is why I thought it's so important for well over a decade for the Iranian nuclear program to be dismantled, as Trump has said, either through peaceful means or through otherwise.
And so I'm grateful that that's his key focus right now.
And I imagine after that's accomplished, I hope sooner rather than later, of course, I imagine he'll be turning his attention to other issues, which may in time include personnel who have posed different problems for him.
Yeah, well, I think that this is more than just a problem.
I think that it puts President Trump and his own life in jeopardy because if the director of national counterterrorism under the director of national intelligence is willing to testify in support of an assassin who killed somebody who worked hard to get President Trump elected, somebody who was a leader of a conservative movement, and they are blinded to evidence and they are willing to spread lies.
What are they willing to do to frame somebody, whether it be fabricating evidence, fabricating intel?
Are they going to cover up an Iranian plot to assassinate the president again, like we saw, so that they could blame the Jews?
Are they going to allow for a terror plot carried out by Muslims to cause grave bodily injury to the president of the United States or Americans because they don't want to actually say, oh, well, it's Islamic terror.
I mean, these people are literally being, it's worse than a brain rot.
I'm not a religious leader, so I'm wary of speaking in those terms.
But yeah, I mean, clearly, historically, if you look at what Jew hate is, it's a spiritual disorder.
It's about distance from God and hatred and hatred of God.
So I absolutely believe that.
And look, you make a very good point.
And frankly, I haven't thought about it in those terms.
If you're someone who's willing to complicate a prosecution, a murder case, then certainly their motives and certainly their intentions should be questioned.
Yeah, I think it's created a national security threat.
It's created a possibility of maybe a hung jury, a mistrial, or maybe even Tyler Robinson walking if they're able to convince people.
I mean, Utah, pretty conservative state, not exactly known as being a very pro-Trump state.
I mean, a lot of the Republicans there, what was it, like 30% there voted for McMullen or whatever that guy's name was.
So the fact of the matter is, Lee, is that a jury in a state like Utah where you have some never Trump sentiment, people are conservative, they probably have heard of Candace Owens.
They probably are listening to Tucker Carlson, right?
The odds that some of the people on this jury in a red state are going to be listening to Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens or at least being influenced on social media and seeing some of these conspiracy theories.
How many members of this jury pool have already been tainted to believe that Israel killed Charlie Kirk?
And what are they going to think if the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center under the Trump administration, somebody who Trump himself endorsed, goes and lies under oath?
I mean, clearly Joe Kent doesn't have any integrity or morals because he's now under FBI investigation for leaking classified information.
If you are going to leak classified information and potentially jeopardize our nation's national security, and you are going to lie about the people who actually murdered your wife, the mother of your children, what's going to stop you from lying under oath?
He's already lied under oath, technically speaking, because he leaked classified information and then lied about it, right?
He lied about it.
So would he lie under oath in a courtroom?
Well, he's already clearly stated that he would because we know that Tyler Robinson is the killer.
He confessed.
There's DNA evidence all over the gun.
There's photographic evidence.
The family turned him in.
The boyfriend, the trans gay lover, the furry lover admitted that he confessed the murder to him.
And yet Joe Kent still wants to fabricate lies and he's willing to do so under oath in a courtroom, which is a felony.
You can go to prison for that.
So I guess he's willing to actually go to prison to spread anti-Israel conspiracy theories.
How many more people like this are working at ODNI?
I think it's possible, by the way, now that you raised the issue, and I'd thought about this before, but I think it's quite possible that he's not going to have an opportunity to testify because if the reports are accurate that he's being investigated for leaks and it appears a series of leaks, then it's possible that there is no defense legal team that's going to want to put someone on the stand who's been charged, who's been charged with leaking classified information.
So again, I certainly don't mean to dismiss the problems that have been going on.
I'm just saying he may himself run into problems that he himself has caused.
I mean, look, it could all be a possibility, but the fact that we're even having to sit here tonight and discuss these possibilities with a national security official, with a top secret security clearance who is the director of national counterterrorism and Charlie Kirk was a victim of domestic radical left terrorism, that should shake everybody to their core.
It should shake everybody to their core that the people who are in charge of investigating Charlie Kirk's death are not really interested in getting to the bottom of Charlie Kirk's death because they're more concerned with fulfilling and entertaining their sick, twisted conspiracies and blood libel.
We saw this during Trump's first term with anyone everywhere from John Brennan to Andrew Weissman to Robert Mueller, all of these different people, Alexander Widman, who despised Donald Trump.
And we figured that it had to do with, well, they're Democrats and they know that Trump wanted to drain the deep state and do all these different things.
Why do we see so many people now from the right, nominally from the right, though they're not really, why do they hate Donald Trump so much?
I think that a lot of people, as I said in my opening monologue tonight, a lot of these people are just grifters.
Okay.
I don't think that a lot of people really truly supported President Trump.
We already know that a lot of these people from RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard's camps, they don't like Trump, right?
They just, it was kind of like a host.
It was really extortion, really.
Well, I don't know if the president views it this way, but I think that if I were to sit down with Donald Trump and I were to, you know, kind of like speak the way I do to the president, right?
And I were to have this conversation with him.
And I feel like I'm pretty good at communicating with the president and getting my message and my arguments across to him.
I would explain to him that he was extorted.
I would tell the president that he was extorted because really he didn't make the decision to bring these people into his administration.
He may like to think that he made the decision to bring Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr. into his administration, but he was literally extorted.
I mean, look at what RFK Jr. Did, for example, right?
RFK Jr. hated Donald Trump, and maybe he still does, but he always wanted to be HHS secretary.
He always wanted to be able to reform our healthcare system.
He was never going to be able to do that on his own, right?
He talked about his own medical condition and how that had debilitated him and kind of stunted him, right?
With his voice.
I mean, I'm not mocking him.
I've met him.
I think he's, you know, fine.
I get, I've had cordial conversations with him.
I'm just, if you listen to the way he talks, he talks about things that prevented him, right?
Like the bias against his family and the Democrat Party, the bias against him for speaking out against the medical industry, his own medical condition.
So, really, in a sense, like his only way of getting to do what he always aspired to do throughout his life was getting a position within the Trump administration.
And he knew that he was never going to become president of the United States, right?
So, what did he do?
He decided to, you know, coordinate with a super PAC and with his own, with his own, you know, campaign team to strategically place himself on the ballot in key states so that he could take enough of these electoral votes away so that there would be a I posted tweets about this during the campaign,
and it's a very complicated concept to explain to people unless you go back and you read all of my reports on this.
But he really wanted to create a situation where Congress would select the president of the United States, right?
Because if nobody gets 270 electoral votes, ultimately then Congress gets to side, right?
They pick the nominee.
And that's what he was hoping would happen.
And he waited until the 11th hour.
RFK Jr. did.
And this was documented, right?
I wasn't prepared for your question.
And so if I had known you were going to ask this, I could have, no, I could have pulled these tweets up to show people what I was to show people what I was talking about.
And I can answer the question, but I want to show people because they may seem like they may say to themselves, like, oh, what do you mean extortion?
Well, his own super PAC admitted that they were trying to create a situation where Congress would select the nominee, right?
They would, they would select the nominee.
And then ultimately, you know, you don't have to be a candidate that wins the popular vote.
You don't have to win the popular vote.
And maybe my producer right now, and I'm talking in my ear, they can pull these tweets up and they can find it.
And they can pull up my reporting from the election year.
But there was a report in, maybe it was like Spectator.
It was one of the, one of the, maybe it was Axios.
There was a report documenting how his own PAC staff had admitted that they wanted to create this situation where they took enough electoral votes away to the point where it wouldn't matter, right?
It wouldn't matter who won the popular vote because Congress would be able to select the nominee.
And so ultimately, what does that mean?
That means that you are holding the nation hostage.
You are extorting Donald Trump.
And he did this up until the 11th hour.
He ended up leaking his private conversation with President Trump, if you recall.
He then said he didn't know that his call was being recorded at the Republican National Convention and then said, oh, well, I'd be willing to drop out of the race.
I'd be willing to drop out of the race if you made me HHS secretary and you committed to it.
And one week up until the time when he dropped out of the race, he was calling Donald Trump a con man, right?
Talking about how President Trump had no moral clarity whatsoever.
And I like showing people the receipts up front.
And I'll send these to you later when the interview is over and I'll retweet it for people so that they can see it.
I think my producer found it.
His own PAC admitted this and they said, Well, why do you want him on the ballot in these specific states?
Because that was their whole electoral strategy, right?
That his PAC advisors and his campaign advisors created.
And the same thing goes with Tulsi Gabbard.
You can pull up her tweets and you can see that she called President Trump Saudi Arabia's bitch.
I mean, we could pull these tweets up.
They still have not been deleted.
She said that it's Trump's Iran war.
It's president here.
You can go back and you can see some of these tweets, right?
So RFK Jr.'s candidacy is designed to create a contingent election.
You can see I tweeted this on January 2nd, 2024, and I wrote about it.
There's an article on my website.
So for those of you who are watching and you want to understand this whole concept of extorting the campaign, you can scroll down.
Keep on going.
Okay, a contingent election occurs when no candidate reaches the required 270 electoral votes needed to become president of the United States.
The United States Congress picks the next president in a contingent election.
Efforts to use RFK Jr.'s candidacy to create a contingent election seem vast, as Loomer previously reported.
That state of Nevada records show Michigan GOP chair Christina Carabos, president of Unauthorized a 501c4 Nevada-based organization.
You can scroll down, right?
But I outlined this whole entire strategy that was deployed by RFK Jr. to create a contingent election.
And the PAC even said that, you know, their goal was to create this contingent electionly so that President Trump would be forced to play ball with RFK.
Well, that's not really a good faith effort, right?
You're not actually coming to the table and saying, oh, I really like you.
I think you're super qualified.
I really think that you're a great supporter.
It's extortion.
It's like, if you don't, if you, if you don't, and you recall, he was still on the ballot in some states because they didn't actually remove him from the ballot, even though he requested to be removed from the ballot, right?
So they still took votes away, even though he had requested to be removed from the ballot.
It was like, if you do not make me a part of your administration, I'm going to take 20% of the vote in each of these key states.
So that's not exactly somebody who supports you.
And ultimately, we saw a lot of RFK Jr. supporters trashing President Trump up until the very end, calling him a con man, blaming him for Operation Warp Speed, blaming him for the vaccine, blaming him from all like these COVID deaths and the COVID vaccine injuries.
And the same thing happened with Tulsi Gabbard, where she felt disaffected.
It's not like she actually really liked Donald Trump.
She was attacked by Hillary Clinton, who accused her of being a Russian agent.
I served in the military and I know what it's like to lose my fellow brothers and sisters in war, right?
Isn't calling for people's guns to be taken away, right?
She's like a moderate Democrat in a sense, right?
But she's actually really not a moderate Democrat because there's tons of photos of her with all of these, you know, radical Greenpeace activists and Antifa activists and climate change activists.
And you realize that she's just really good at talking the talk to get what she wants.
We call that being a political chameleon.
We call that, you know, taking advantage of your circumstances to get ahead in life.
We call that being an opportunist, just plain and simple.
It's called pure political opportunismly.
I'm sure you're familiar with it.
You've encountered a lot of opportunists working in this world of political media, just like I have.
And so I think that there's always been hatred there, right?
You ask me, why did these, when did these people start to hate Donald Trump?
I think that they always hated Donald Trump.
And we just made this illusion in our minds.
I didn't.
I know you didn't because we're smart enough.
We didn't fall for this kumbaya bullshit.
But they told us we need coalitions.
We're going to build a coalition.
We're going to build the bridge the gap between the Democrats and Maha and MAGA.
And, you know, you had people putting like their little heart designs and MAGA plus MAHA inside a little big heart, just making it all so hokey and carnival-like.
And at the end of the day, it was always sitting in the back of my mind.
How are we going to reconcile these differences in foreign policy and issues like abortion, right?
And issues like immigration, things that really matter, okay?
Things that really make or break a political coalition.
And ultimately, as we've seen, Lee, it's always been there.
The friction's always been there.
And people want to define a post-Trump GOP, right?
I know this is quite long-winded and I'm almost done, but everybody kind of went along to go along to get along until they needed to.
But we're now in 2026, right?
And we're at that point now where if you want to be a candidate in 2028, you have to start deciding in 2026 whether you're going to run because by 2027, you have to file.
And there's going to be multiple people in the cabinet.
I've said this.
I said this last year.
We're going to see they don't all really like each other.
They're all pretending to be.
No, no, I think you have these cabinet meetings where they're with Elon Musk and they're wearing their Doge hats and it's one big happy party.
And oh, you're so great.
Oh, no, you're so great.
Oh, no, you're even better.
Let's get lunch.
You know what let's get lunch means in places like Washington, D.C.
It means go fuck yourself.
That's what let's get lunch means.
It means go fuck yourself.
Let's get lunch sometime.
Okay.
That's that's like the political world code, code, code language for go fuck yourself.
It's like what you say to somebody when you don't really want to, you know, talk to them.
And you're just like, oh, yeah, you know, you see them at the galas, you see them at the parties.
Oh, yeah, it's so great.
House of family, house to kids.
Oh, let's get lunch sometime.
You don't really actually want to talk to these people.
You're keeping tabs on these people.
You're monitoring these people.
You're trying to see what their political aspirations are.
So, you know, you can, you can see how you're going to position yourself in the rat race.
Tulsi Gabbard is going to run for president.
I reported that RFK Jr. is going to run for president.
He profusely denies it.
He can deny it all he wants.
Whatever.
We'll see.
We'll see in the end who's proven right.
JD Vance is obviously running for president.
Marco Rubio is probably going to run for president.
All the knives are going to come out.
We're going to see how good this coalition building really was in 2027 when ultimately people are going to have to start resigning.
So to answer your question, is Tulsi Gabbard next?
If the president gives her the dignity of allowing her to resign and doesn't fire her for having absolutely no moral clarity, she will eventually resign Because she's going to run for president.
I already pointed out the other day that she has five PACs, four of which she has direct involvement with.
And so she's going to have to resign eventually if she wants to run for president.
Marco Rubio will have to resign if he runs for president, right?
JD Vance will run for president.
RFK will have to resign if he runs for president.
So it's not a matter of will Tulsi Gabbard resign or will she be the next to fall?
It's a matter of when Tulsi Gabbard will fall and when Tulsi Gabbard will resign or she'll be fired and ultimately begin her anti-Trump crusade to redefine herself so that they can hijack a post-Trump GOP.
And whether that means completely eliminating all traces of MAGA and completely destroying the America First MAGA movement and repudiating Donald Trump and supporting the impeachment of Donald Trump and standing by and allowing his family to be subjected to years of harassment and weaponized government and investigations and maybe even jail time.
These people don't give a shit.
All they care about is themselves.
If Tulsi Gabbard gave a shit about Donald Trump, she would have said, I support the president in all of his decisions.
I stand by him as his director of national intelligence, not, well, you know, I had to check my opinions at the door.
I had to check my radical left views at the door when I decided to swallow my pride and join the Trump administration after talking shit about Donald Trump.
Right.
I would express support for the president instead of saying, well, yeah, you know, he's the commander in chief.
And so he has the executive authority to make decisions.
Well, no shit.
Yeah, he's the president.
We already know Tulsi, right?
It's like this very roundabout way of answering questions.
So, I mean, that's really ultimately what it comes down to.
It's political opportunism.
And it's not when they started hating Trump.
These people have always hated Trump, just like all the Republican senators hate Trump too.
And you see it now in the way that it's so hard for them to even agree to pass the Save America Act.
I mean, what is so hard about saying we're not going to allow illegal aliens to vote in our elections and we're not going to sexually mutilate children.
So the coalition thing, the coalition thing, I think has been, I think that the people who talk about the coalition generally are talking about, that's my point.
The people who have attached themselves to Trump to be able to project power they don't have on their own.
That's the people who tend to talk about the coalition, right?
And I think that even without these people, he still would have won.
But they like to say, they like to say, like, people voted for Donald Trump because they like Donald Trump.
I don't know anybody who voted for Donald Trump because they're like, oh, well, Tulsi Gabbard's going to be in the administration or RFK is going to be in the administration.
In fact, I know a lot of RFK supporters that still refuse to support Donald Trump, even after the fact.
And that's why I said he waited until the last minute and he wasn't even taken off the ballot in all of the states.
He still appeared on the ballot because it was extortion.
It was extortion, right?
It wasn't like, wow, I really like you.
I'm going to drop out of the race because, you know, it's the right thing to do.
And I've come to see you're an amazing leader.
It was, okay, well, we have all these ballots, right, ready to go.
And we're going to, we're going to force a contingent election.
His own PAC is on the record admitting that they tried to create a contingent election, a concept that is kind of unfamiliar to the average American.
You have to read about it on my website.
I know you know what it is, but a lot of Americans don't know what a contingent election is, Lee.
No, I was going to say it's funny when you see about how the, you know, the so-called AmAGA influencers who talk about themselves, the way they flatter themselves.
I mean, yeah, I'm sorry.
I don't really know anyone who is tilting toward Kamala Harris.
But then, wow, when that Joe Rogan endorsement came in, they flipped for Trump.
That's when they really went for Donald J. Trump.
It's like, yeah, I'm sorry.
Maybe there are people like that.
I just don't know them.
But you see how people, again, have been have been building up their own influencers who actually are not that influential as we see in polls, as we see, as we see when Donald Trump wins in things they want Donald Trump to lose at.
And so I think that we're having more clarity on that now, that the people who've been opposing Trump are losing and in many cases have already lost.
And I think that the Joe Kent resignation really underscores that and the things that will follow from that.
Now people are starting to see those in the Trump administration who are keen to advance the president's agenda on behalf of the United States.
So I think we've seen some really ugly things.
And I think that one of the ugliest things, Laura, is you've been sort of underscores.
Like, look, among all the bad things that Joe Kent has done, also, he resigned after a number of different terrorist attacks on the United States, including what could have been a major attack on that Michigan synagogue.
Although I do think that even in the even in the de-escalation of the Iran conflict, and I don't even like calling it a war because it's not even really a prolonged war yet.
You know, it's really just still in the beginning phases.
And it's strategic, right?
It could end any day, really.
But you see this, you still see the games that are being played.
And maybe I'm reading into this too much.
And maybe I'm just so aggrieved by Tucker Katarlson, as I call him, that, you know, I see everything now through the lens of a foreign influence operationally.
But I find it to be kind of interesting, right?
That even through Tucker's communications with the Iranians, we know that he just recently said, and maybe he's lying, I don't know, that the CIA was apparently reading his messages and that he was in communication with the Iranians.
We know that he's in communication with the Iranians because he interviewed the president of Iran.
So we know that that's not far-fetched.
He obviously is in touch with the Iranian regime.
But I find it to be really funny how throughout all these negotiations, everything has been successful with President Trump, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner negotiating, right, for the most part.
But I couldn't help but notice tonight the report that JD Vance had to go to Pakistan and that the Pakistanis, right, we pretend like Pakistan is an ally.
I don't know why.
Their biggest export is terrorism.
I just got back from India a couple of days ago where I spoke at a conference about this.
I mean, you have the Pakistani government literally threatening to nuke India if the United States ever attacks, if ever attacks Pakistan, right?
Their senior defense advisor literally said on the record a few days ago that they would nuke India if the U.S. ever attacked Pakistan.
I bring this up because the Iranians apparently said that they were only willing to negotiate with JD Vance.
They weren't willing to negotiate with Jared Kushner or Steve Witkoff, right?
So it's kind of funny in a sense because the jokes these days just write themselves, right?
People joke about how Tucker Carlson's like the new IHO.
So this is what I'm saying about this foreign influence operation is that even now the negotiation, it's like subliminal messaging.
Like, oh, well, even let's say it's true.
Let's say it's not true.
The fact that RT is pushing this out, the fact that Turkish media is pushing this out, the fact that Al Jazeera is amplifying it, like the accounts that are that are proliferating this, right?
And I retweeted it and commented on it as kind of like, you know, a humorous joke to point out the fact that, oh, well, of course, all these like foreign outlets are highlighting the fact that the Iranians allegedly don't want to negotiate with the two Jews in Trump's administration.
They want to negotiate with Tucker Carlson's buddy, JD Vance, right?
Because it's all subliminal.
Whether people realize this or not, there's a message in everything that these foreign actors do.
And you may not feel like you're being victimized by it in the moment.
You may not think that you're being impacted by it.
But how many times have people scrolled through their X account and they see foreign outlets reposting, right?
The clips of these social media influencers badmouthing Donald Trump.
And then these clips get played on Iranian state media or Russian state media.
You may not realize it, but every single day you're victimized by the foreign interference and foreign propaganda machine that is trying to undermine the Trump administration.
I mean, every time I log on to X, I get blasted with RT tweeting clips of Candace Owens and Nick Flentis and Tucker Carlson and then Al Jazeera re-amplifying it and Muslim Brotherhood accounts.
The amount of garbage, the amount of garbage in what the American public has been subjected to during the, you know, during the first Trump administration, we know that Twitter was throttling Trump supporters and stuff like that.
But now what we see, I mean, I mean, you know, Trump, Trump voters are being overwhelmed by the amount of, as you say, by the amount of foreign garbage that's really drowning out, that's really drowning out important information that all American voters need.
And you know, Laura, one of the things that concerns me is I think some of that, a lot of those operations are foreign, but I'm concerned.
I'm not talking about Twitter.
I'm talking about other social media platforms.
But it strikes me that other social media platforms may be driving up also that engagement to hurt Donald Trump, right?
A lot of people thought that all these places were on board, that after Trump's second, you know, that during Trump's second term, everyone was going to play fair, Facebook and YouTube.
Like, yeah, we admit he's the president.
We'll get with it.
I suspect that may not be entirely the case.
I suspect that some of these platforms may be juicing up a lot of anti-Trump people to hurt Donald Trump and to, you know, to confuse his supporters.
So again, it's not just the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians and the Qataris and other actors.
I think that some of it is probably going to wind up being American companies too.
So at the end of the day, it's a foreign social media in America.
It doesn't even matter if you are an American social media-based company.
It's a foreign influence operation.
Look at all the Saudis and the, I mean, look, the Indians, look at all the Chinese, look at all the Muslims.
I mean, during Trump's first term, there was a story.
There was a story about how it was a Turkish national that deleted Donald Trump's account.
A Turkish national, probably a Muslim Brotherhood operative.
Remember, remember when a Turkish national deleted Donald Trump's Twitter account?
It barely got any news coverage, but you could pull it up.
You could see this really happened in 2017, I believe.
And then you had the story about the Saudi Arabians, the Muslims that were working at Twitter 1.0, and then they were using their access to read political dissonance or critics of the Saudi government's Twitter deals.
And how many of these people that are moderating the content really have an interest in eliminating foreign influence operations if they themselves are foreigners from communist and communist countries and Sharia shitholes?
I mean, just look at the people that they employ.
Look at it.
It's over 70, over 70, 75% H-1B visa employment in Silicon Valley.
I mean, this also comes back to something we were talking about before.
So how many of the, you know, how many of the Jew-hating accounts, how much of their numbers come from an American audience and how much it comes from a foreign audience?
So that's one of the things that makes me confident about the mental and spiritual stability of our country.
But look, I mean, I think it's very important that Americans are entitled, like other countries, we're entitled to have a debate about our own politics, right?
We acknowledge that we drive the world's economy.
We're the world's greatest military.
So we can understand why people want to have some sort of opinion or why they would want to influence the way we think.
But I think Americans are also entitled to have their own discussions about what should happen in our country.
And of course, that's what our election is about.
And that's why we don't want foreign election interference or any election interference.
Yeah, but I think also on social media, we're entitled to have debates without being influenced by teenagers, by disaffected teenagers who live in Bangladesh or Kazakhstan.
My favorite are the Pakistani bots that say, Donald Trump is done.
MAGA is dead.
And then you check no and it says in Pakistan or something.
So it's out of control.
But I really would recommend that everybody read your most recent, recent article and tablet because, well, I mean, it's what I've been saying.
It's what you've been saying.
It's what a lot of people have been saying.
And it's kind of now a question, a question a lot of people are asking.
I've had conversations with people who work in the White House about it too.
Is Tulsi Godbert going to be the next one to fall?
But I don't know if she's really going to fall, right?
I mean, the problem is, is that the administration has been too gracious in the way that they've handled PPO this time around.
In the first administration, it was a lot more brutal.
There was a lot more drama.
It was, you're fired.
I'm going to fire you in the most humiliating way.
You know, you're going to have a job for eight days.
You're fired.
I'm firing you on social media.
I'm going to tweet out you're fired.
You know, it was like very dramatic.
And that was part of the contention and a lot of the drama in the admin is that a lot of people felt personally aggrieved, right?
They almost had their own, uh, their own burn book, right?
Their own burn book for the Trump administration and Trump administration officials, in a sense.
And you had leakers and you had tell-all books and you had all these people coming and going and lying about the president.
And it was just like a circus.
And now, thanks to Susie Wiles, largely, I mean, it's a double-edged sword.
I think she's done a very good job at preventing a lot of the chaos and keeping people like grounded so that you don't have people writing tell-all books and running to the media, becoming CNN contributors.
But, you know, it comes, it's a double-edged sword.
While Susie has done a great job in really kind of keeping the peace and preventing a lot of the chaos, of course, Kent is an outlier.
They don't really fire people that much anymore in the admin.
And that would be my only criticism: is that while Susie's policy of like creating a drama-free environment has been somewhat successful in terms of PPO, when you compare the first term to the second term, you also now have this kind of recycle bin of incompetent people.
So when they don't want to fire somebody, they just reassign them to a position where they're not going to be able to do as much damage, right?
So, you know, you had Michael Waltz.
You had Michael Waltz, for example, who screwed up, right, with Signal Gate to NSC, and then they made him the ambassador to the United Nations, kind of a kind of being, it's like being exiled to Siberia in a sense, right?
It's like akin to being exiled to Siberia, being, you know, the ambassador to the United States.
But, but what I'm saying is that you're not going to be able to, or one would hope that you're not going to be able to create as much drama for the president as the ambassador to the UN as you would as the national security advisor, inviting leftist reporters to your signal chats, right?
So my point is, is that there's a lot of instances like this where we've seen people who were supposedly fired, but they're not really fired.
They've just been kind of given demotions or moved around.
Like Kirsty Noam, for example, right?
Gives her testimony in front of Congress.
Basically, the president insinuates that she lied under oath because, you know, she made a claim that the president was aware of something.
And then we saw the president say, I wasn't aware of it.
Technically speaking, that's lying under oath.
And then she gets another position.
And, you know, she, she's no longer DHS secretary of Senator Markway Mullen, now the new DHS secretary.
But it's like a, it's like a shuffle, musical chairs, musical chairs of positions in the administration.
And so at some point in time, people actually do need to be shown the door.
And that's what I'm talking about about asserting who's the boss and dropping this hammer of moral clarity because we can't keep giving positions and excuses to people who lack moral clarity.
We just can't.
I mean, this is a fireable offense.
You shouldn't be allowed to have, you know, a lesser position in the administration and have the dignity of being a government official if you are going to engage in this type of dangerous blood libel that is going to get people killed.
And, you know, I mean, you would like to think that everyone in the administration would be clear-sighted on this and that they, and I mean, look, we have to come back to the essential fact.
I mean, Donald Trump is right.
I mean, he's the, he's the most pro-Israel candidate in American history, even more pro-Israel than Harry Truman, who first recognized Israel.
He's philosophic.
I mean, I always encourage people who, and I said this during Trump's first term when there were concerns, oh, I don't know, how does Donald Trump really feel about Jews?
I'm like, have you met, have you actually read Art of the Deal?
I think anyone who's read Art of the Deal, recognizing that, as it turns out, every almost everyone Donald Trump knows is Jewish.
The people he calls on the phone, the parks commissioner and New York City, Andrew Stern, everyone he's talking to is Jewish all the time.
So Donald Trump was raised in New York.
He's raised in a Jewish milieu.
loves he he loves jews um and and and that's why his daughter's jewish his grandkids are jewish Right.
I know, and people, and people say that all the time.
And of course, it's true.
And of course, he loves his family.
But I mean, if you and also his sense of humor, you know, the favorite, the thing that people, I think, like most about seeing Donald Trump speak, it's not when he's speaking off of a teleprompter because a lot of people can do that, but when he's speaking, when he's engaging with the North, there was something that he did during his first term and he was speaking.
I can't remember if he was speaking out of the, you know, out of the press room or the press briefing room or what, but he was kind of hanging on his pedestal.
I'm like, this just feels like a rat pack evening.
This is fantastic.
And so that's, you know, that's what people, that's what I think people really love about the president.
And that's why it's so jarring to hear different things seeping out of the administration or different things from people who've attached themselves to the president.
Again, they claim to represent the president or speak for him or express the feelings of his supporters.
That's why it's so jarring and so upsetting.
And, you know, the president can't really be on guard all the time saying, this person's not with me.
This person's a Jew hater and I want nothing to do with them.
So, I mean, I keep in mind the big picture that this is a president.
This is a president.
When we say America first, we mean he understands the history of this country, also the tradition of our country, where we come from, who we are as a people.
And again, the Jews are at the root of the United States and have been and have been since this country was first settled.
I don't think that a lot of, I mean, like, there's obviously a lot, there's a lot of self-hating liberal Jews, unfortunately, who have decided to side with the Islamists and the people that are perpetuating these blood libels.
But I think that over time, Jewish people have, and it's not just about Jews, right?
What starts with the Jews never ends with the Jews.
People need to be aware that you see that the vitriol is now being spewed towards evangelical Christians, too.
Nobody's safe, right?
If you, you don't have to be Jewish.
If you believe that Israel has a right to defend itself, if you believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization, if you believe that Israel has a right to exist, if you believe that Islamic immigration is a net negative for America and the West, you are a target.
These people, these people really view you as an enemy to their agenda if you don't embrace a total and unapologetic anti-Jewish.
It's not just anti-Israel.
It's anti-Jewish.
It's anti-evangelical, anti-Israel, and pro-Muslim agenda.
This is a very good point that a lot of people, that a lot of people forget that a lot of, you know, a lot of pro-Israel, a lot of pro-Israel people philosophes like, no, we're here to protect the Jews.
No, I'm working on a piece we mentioned it briefly about what I, what I, you know, we talked about the possibility of a mass casualty attack.
I mean, look, one of the things that I always like to talk about is because one of the big things that's going on, and it happened during Trump's first term too, it's it's a major demoralization campaign.
And part of it has to do with Trump, but part of it just has to do with America.
Part of it has to do with the Jews.
Part of it has to do with the evangelicals.
But the big target is America, making people feel making people question the virtues of our country, the righteousness of our cause.
And of course, we have problems.
We're normal people, but also we're Americans.
And so I like to encourage people to stay grounded and also to remember who we are, what our history is, and what our future is going to look like.
I mean, this is the great achievement of Donald Trump, right?
To make us realize, to remind us of who we are, of who we are as a people and who we are as a country.
And so, yeah, I always like talking about that because that's one of the things I try to do.
That's one of the things I try to do in my writing, whether it's the different books I've written, the different articles that I write for a tablet, the times I get to speak publicly as I'm getting to speak with you today.
Just like, yeah, we're a great country.
We're a really great people.
And that's the most important thing.
In addition to all the president's policies, I really think that's the biggest thing.
So you talk about the moral example, the righteousness, the righteousness of our cause.
So I like talking about that.
And I know you do too, because you stand up for it.
You represent it every day in social media and with your show.
And I really appreciate that about you.
That and your sense of humor and your outspoken nature.
So thank you so much for bringing me on this evening.
You're going to really get blacklisted everywhere.
Look, I've already been blacklisted.
I've already, you know, I've already been deplatformed, de-banked.
I had to basically rough it out and claw my way back to the back to the top and get knocked down again and try to get back up again.
And so it's a constant struggle, but I'm not going to sit here and be lectured.
And again, it's not about the Jews, but I'm not, as a Jewish American who has always been pro-America, I don't have dual loyalty, I don't have dual citizenship.
I've always been for Trump.
I've always been for America.
I was the president of College Republicans.
I was valedictorian.
I'm not going to be told that I am not an American or that I'm not a loyal American because my family is Jewish, right?
Like, I'm just not going to be told that.
I'm just not going to be told by anybody that my voice doesn't matter and that the voices of other people don't matter because they believe Israel has a right to exist or because they believe that evangelical Christians have a right to exist.
And so I think everybody has a moral obligation, and especially if you call yourself a conservative, to speak out about this, right?
to speak out about it because it's not it's not about israeli policy i have no problem with people being anti-israel i i don't i don't really understand why you would be anti-israel yeah it doesn't it doesn't make i don't get it if that what makes you proud if you sleep better at night you just say i oppose uh the settlers or whatever well i don't okay right i don't have a problem though if people want to criticize israel Okay, great.
Go criticize Israel.
But we need to stop pretending like this was ever just about having a foreign policy debate.
It's no longer about a foreign policy debate, right?
We're at the point where people are literally trying to justify Sharia law.
I mean, if people don't believe me, they can't say that.
The important thing for Americans is we're seeing it happen on the ground right now in the Middle East.
If you weren't paying attention since October 7th, watching Israel roll up its adversaries and American adversaries, states and enclaves and militias that have killed Americans.
Right now, the United States and Israel are working together in one of the greatest wartime relationships and human alliances in human history.
And the partnership, as Donald Trump keeps saying, what he has, the relationship he has with Bibi Netanyahu is extraordinary.
So yeah, it's very moving.
So people who don't get that, I'm sorry, you're not paying attention.
If you're not watching that and you want to criticize Israel, whatever that means, well, knock yourself out.
And anytime that you want to come on my show and talk about your writing or talk about any of the issues going on in our country, I look forward to having you on again.
There's not a lot of people these days in conservative media who I can actually say I enjoy reading their content anymore.
Sad.
But a lot of people, they've been infected.
They really honestly have this derangement syndrome and it's very, very alarming.
I mean, I think a lot of people are just very in denial.
And, you know, I can go ahead and play some of these clips, but you have people just doing mental gymnastics trying to justify the most asinine things.
You have Tucker Carlson interviewing a CCP asset this last week, talking about how America needs to cede their power to China.
You have Tucker Carlson just last night in his interview talking about how we need to support Sharia law because Sharia law and in cities and in countries where they have Sharia law, societies operate in a better way.
It's cleaner.
I'm not making this up.
I mean, we can, we have these clips.
We can go ahead and play them for you right now.
You can hear them for yourself.
But this is just not normal.
This is not what conservatism represents.
This is not what these people claim to represent when, you know, they were on Fox News or they had their big shows and they're big conservative audiences.
And we went from seeing Tucker Carlson in his book talk about how Islamic immigration is one of the worst things that could ever happen to our country and how it doesn't do anything but bring chaos and dirtiness to our country.
And now, right?
It's a little bit long.
This clip is about five minutes long.
We can play it for you.
Now we have Tucker Carlson talking about how great Islam is and how amazing Sharia law is and how, wow, I mean, every time I go to an American city, it's just so dirty.
And I go to the Middle East and I love going to the Middle East because it's so clean.
So because there's some trash on the ground or because, you know, the city's a little bit dirty in the United States, we're just going to toss out our Western civilization and our culture and we're going to become a Sharia civilization.
We're going to become an Islamic civilization.
That's what Tucker wants because, well, he doesn't like how dirty it is in America.
So what's the solution to trash on the ground?
It's not hauling the garbage truck or calling in sanitation services or putting some more public resources into cleaning up your cities.
No, it's abandoning the constitution, according to Tucker, and implementing Sharia law.
In fact, I'm like Christian, you know, flat out Christian.
And my ancestors are from Europe.
And so I'm not, I have nothing in common on that level with the Gulf.
But you go to the Gulf and it's incredible to be in a place that has pride in itself, that believes in its religion and culture, that thinks we're onto something.
This is great.
Look at what we're doing.
We're really proud of this.
Those people are happy.
They're welcoming of others.
They're tolerant of diversity.
Like, oh, is it tolerant of diversity?
There's none of that here.
Are you kidding?
All the whites, oh, we love black people.
And they run and move to Bozeman because they're no white people.
So, but you go to a country like Japan or the Emirates or Qatar or Saudi Arabia and you see that when people are self-confident, when they're really pleased with what they're doing and they believe that their system is the right system, that self-confidence results in a kind of welcoming attitude.
So you'll be sitting at dinner in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and you'll say, you know, I just, I'm really kind of pro-Jesus, like I'm a Christian.
And you notice like in the in ISIS or Al-Qaeda or like the Muslim extremists, they're all from like collapsed, pathetic societies dominated by colonial powers.
They've been degraded and that's why they're so angry.
Right.
So there's something about being degraded that turns you into a violent nutcase extremist.
You're seeing a lot of violent nutcase extremists in our country.
Not surprising because the country's being degraded.
So in a country with self-confidence, people are tolerant and open-minded and happy.
And in a country where people are told to hate themselves, they start to hate others.
Duh.
This is all very obvious, but I only know that because I've traveled a lot.
And I am naturally open-minded.
Like just because you don't do it my way doesn't mean it's bad.
Like I really feel that way where they're into things that I'm not into, like, I don't know, polygamy or Islam.
And I can sort of look at it and be like, no one's forcing this on me.
I'm not mad at you for being a polygamist.
I think it's really hard, but whatever, leaving that aside, but I can go to a place like that and I don't feel like I need to judge everybody on their, on their local customs.
I just don't feel that need.
And, but in the process of doing that, like you just, you get perspective on your own society.
And the core problem is a loss of faith in our people, in our values, in our religion.
I just don't believe anything.
I don't care what you tell me.
Like, I'm noticing that New York City has people shitting on the sidewalk or having sex in ATM vestibules and people are dying of drug ODs on the street in their carjacks.
All I'm saying is let's treat the people who run the banks, the people who are getting rich from usury like the criminals they are and make them suffer because that's totally fair.
If you exploit and destroy people, you're not a good person.
And we should just say that.
And I think we should start by getting collective action.
Everybody who's deep in credit card debt, I don't care what your race would be, actually a way to unify the country.
We're just going to have this month all getting together and we're not going to pay our credit card bill.
But it's funny because when other people say that they're going to be assassinated, he says it never happened, right?
Like when President Trump says that Iran wanted to assassinate him, Tucker says, oh, that never happened, right?
It's just, it's so interesting watching somebody deny the death threats on somebody else's life, but then they're so paranoid, right?
He's just so paranoid about being assassinated himself.
Czar.
So I talked earlier in my opening monologue and also in my conversation with Lee Smith tonight about how Joe Kent is now being condemned by a lot of people on the right because he has apparently agreed or said that he is going to testify or would be willing to testify in the trial of Tyler Robinson, who, of course, assassinated Charlie Kirk.
And we really have seen the turning point staff kind of avoid talking about these influencers or people in the administration who have kind of, you know, enabled a lot of these conspiracies.
They don't say anything about Candace Owens.
They don't say anything about Tucker Carlson.
They don't say anything about Megan Kelly.
And a lot of people have just kind of watched this for, you know, since September of last year.
It's been painful to watch, right?
It's like watching a battered wife just constantly, you know, sit there, not stand up for herself.
I don't want to say like go back for more, but in some cases, yeah, it is like going back for more because Tucker and Megan were invited to speak at Turning Point events, even though they're entertaining a lot of these depraved conspiracy theories.
I mean, Tucker the other night had Joe Kent on a show and Joe Kent's talking about how, well, you know, the Trump administration's covering up the fact that Israel killed Charlie Kirk and Kash Patel wouldn't exactly allow me to see the documents.
It's like, nobody wants you to see any documents, Cash or excuse me, Joe, because you are a leaker and this is why you and Cash got in a fight in the White House.
They had a screaming mash in the White House.
This was well reported because eventually Kash Patel had to go to the president and tell him that these crazy lunatics over ODNI were trying to use the investigation materials from Charlie Kirk's assassination investigation file to push these crazy foreign conspiracy theories, right?
These crazy conspiracy theories that were not rooted in any evidence whatsoever, except the imagination, the psychosis, the Israel derangement syndrome in Joe Kent's mind and Candace Owens' mind and Tucker Carlson's mind.
And of course, in the mind of Joe Kent's new wife, Heather Kaiser, who seems to be a bit of a leftist, worked for Max Blumenthal.
You always, it's very telling when people's spouses die.
Terrible tragedy.
But, you know, I guess his wife, the one that died, from people I know who served with her, people I know who know her, said that she was a nice lady, normal.
His new wife, well, crazy views.
You go to her Twitter account, sounds like a total leftist, sounds like a total communist the way that she speaks.
Constantly reposting anti-American content, constantly reposting Max Blumenthal's content.
Then I break the story about how his wife works for Max Blumenthal at Grey Zone.
And now other people have finally picked up on this.
I put that out last year and gave it to the White House last year and told them, hey, you know, it's kind of weird that the director of national counterterrorism is married to a woman who works for Max Blumenthal, who's constantly attacking the Trump administration and says that he has all these sources from inside our intel agencies.
Well, who's he getting this information to?
Is it Joe Kent?
Is it Joe Kent's wife?
Because, you know, people are going to tell their spouses about what their day at work was like.
It's called pillow talk, right?
That's why you're not allowed to testify against your spouse.
So now a lot of these people, I guess, who work at Turning Point, maybe they're having buyers from Wars.
I don't know.
They're starting to realize that the people that they brought on board, the people who they trusted, the people who they thought were Charlie's friends, like, no, everybody thinks that they were Charlie's best friend.
Everybody, everybody has a Charlie story.
Everybody thinks that they're Charlie Kirk's best friend.
Everybody thinks that Charlie Kirk believed everything that they believed in.
And Charlie told them before he died.
Charlie told them before he died.
It's insufferable, really, listening to all these podcasters and their crazy conspiracies say in the most disrespectful way possible over a dead man's body that they know that Charlie Kirk believed in this crazy Jewish conspiracy theory because he told me.
He told me.
He told me before he died.
And I know I don't have evidence of that because he's dead.
You're just going to have to believe me.
I mean, that's how these people operate.
Even Joe Kent has no shame after leaking this information to Candace Owens and lying and saying that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
Joe Kent tells this crazy story about how, oh, well, you know, I knew Charlie and he looked at me in the White House.
He saw me in the Oval Office.
I mean, really, he really said this.
You can find the clip and play it yourself.
He said he was in the Oval Office.
He was in the West Wing of the White House.
And it was a very dramatic scene, of course.
Everything with Joe Kent is very dramatic.
And he saw Charlie out of the corner of his eyes.
And this was right before Operation Midnight Hammer.
And he looked at Charlie and Charlie looked at him and their eyes, their eyes met.
Yeah, yeah, because you're going to be shouting messages with each other.
And Charlie Kirk is really going to be begging Joe Kent of all people to save us from an Iran war, right?
When Charlie Kirk got the president's cell phone number, okay?
The president met with Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk was at the White House on a frequent basis.
You mean to tell me that we're supposed to believe that there was this whole dramatic showdown?
You can go to the chat.
I want to see what people think about this, but you can't help but mock it, right?
And I'm not trying to mock anything about Charlie Kirk.
I mean, look, he's dead, but the reality is, it's like everybody has a Charlie Kirk story.
Everybody.
Oh, well, Charlie told me this.
And Charlie told me that he believed in the JQ.
And you just have to trust me.
Charlie was actually a Catholic.
Charlie actually didn't really like his wife.
Charlie was getting a divorce.
Charlie slept in a different room.
Charlie this, Charlie this, Charlie that.
Like everybody wants to say like what Charlie believed and what he thought and what he they thought he believed so that they could fit their own twisted narrative.
And a lot of these people were platformed by TPUSA.
We just have to say it.
A lot of these crazy people who are now a problem were platformed by TPUSA.
Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace Owens.
I mean, shit, Candace Owens was practically born out of TPUSA, right?
Give him her job.
Now she's trying to destroy him and his wife because Charlie Kirk wouldn't date her.
I don't know.
Maybe he wasn't into black chicks.
I don't know.
Chose the pretty white blonde.
Chose the pretty white blonde over her.
She just can't cope.
She just can't cope.
So now she's lashing out like a woman scorned.
I mean, let's be real.
That's what this is really about, right?
Charlie chose Erica.
He didn't choose Candace.
And Candace is, well, you look at Candace's wedding photo on her wedding day and her scowl next to her husband, George, who some people say is gay.
Again, just saying there are some claims out there that she married a homosexual man.
And then you look at her photo on her wedding day next to Charlie Kirk and you compare the two.
And in her husband's photo, she's just standing there, right?
Kind of a forced smile grin on her face.
And then with Charlie Kirk, it's like, right?
She's in.
She's in for the camera.
So I think it says a lot that on a woman's wedding day, it's supposed to be the happiest day of her life, right?
Supposedly.
I don't know.
Supposed to be the happiest day of your life as a woman, they say.
And you're happier smiling next to Charlie Kirk than your own husband.
So they welcomed all these people in, and there has to be some accountability.
And I'm not shit talking.
I had conversations with people at Turning Point about this, and I told them.
I said exactly how I feel.
I said, I think what's happening to you is morally reprehensible.
I condemn the attacks on Erica.
I condemn the attacks on Tyler Boyer.
I condemn the attacks on Turning Point staff and the harassment.
But two things can be true.
I can condemn the attacks on Turning Point and also admit that Charlie Kirk had horrible judgment of character.
Okay.
He did not surround himself with people that had his best interests in mind.
These people who want to, I'm not talking about these staff right here, but people, like so-called influencer friends who are now jumping in on the bandwagon, trashing his wife, attacking his wife.
And then instead of actually naming influencers by name, they say, oh, it's so sad what happened to his wife and kids.
Well, why don't you actually name the people who are attacking him, right?
But they don't want to actually name them because they all want to be friends with each other, right?
They all want to go on each other's shows and have access to each other.
And you're not really seeing a lot of people express moral clarity in condemning this.
But apparently, I guess Andrew Colvet, who's one of Charlie Kirk's right-hand men before he died, gave these text messages to Joe Kent because they wanted to try to track down all leads.
And so Joe Kent, being the director of National Counterterrorism Center, had apparently told Andrew Colvet that if he gave him these private text messages from Charlie Kirk, they would try to track down leads and see if there was any kind of foreign influence, right?
Because Andrew said, it's not that he believed that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
He wanted to know if there was any foreign influence from any government, right?
Because there are a lot of people speculating that maybe there was some kind of foreign actor, Islamic, whatever it may be, right?
So he gave him these text messages and told him he didn't want them to be public.
And Joe Kent ends up leaking them to Candace Owens.
And, well, you're not supposed to leak them to Candace.
Candace ends up taking that material to then exploit Charlie Kirk's wife, exploit Charlie Kirk's kids, exploit Turning Point USA, and to further promote her deranged conspiracy theories.
And just listen to this, right?
This is Blake Neff.
Again, Blake Neff, the guy who's bald.
He used to be Tucker Carlson's lead writer until he was fired for allegedly making racist and sexist remarks.
I mean, look, they made him resign.
He was kind of fired, right?
When you're forced out, when you're forced to resign, it's not really resigning.
But you have to remember, this guy was Tucker Carlson's lead writer.
So is he really going to be condemning his former boss for his deranged promotion of Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories, whether it be promoting Ian Carroll, who was called Erica Kirk a whore and a bitch, or whether it be promoting Candace Owens or Nick Fuentes, who also have called and referred to Erica as a bitch, right?
Just like vile treatment of a widow who is obviously trying to do her best to carry on her husband's legacy and be a mother for two young babies that are never going to know their father, really.
Just horrible tragedy.
And you can see that, you know, now they're finally having to admit, oh, the betrayal, the betrayal, the betrayal is so severe.
Well, a lot of people have been warning about this for a long time before these, you know, text messages became public and before it was revealed that Joe Kent plans on testifying in the trial of Tyler Robinson.
And now they talk about how they feel so betrayed, but there's a lot of people that surround a lot of these turning point staffers.
Some of these turning point staffers themselves, I'm not necessarily talking about Andrew Colvet, but I would say that in a way, Blake Neff is betraying Charlie Kirk, right?
Thinks that he's his friend.
This guy is protecting Tucker Carlson.
He was Tucker Carlson's former lead writer, and you never hear him condemn some of the shit that Tucker says or the people who he's promoted.
So I agree.
They should feel absolutely betrayed by Joe Kent, but they should also feel betrayed by some of their own staff and their own officials who have shown a lack of moral clarity in condemning people who other people at Turning Point USA considered their friends.
And I find it hard to believe that Charlie Kirk would be okay with his friends standing by while his wife is getting viciously harassed and attacked on a daily basis.
So I find this clip to be somewhat amusing.
I'm going to play it.
I mean, I'm glad that Turning Point is finally calling out Joe Kent and saying that he's a leaker and that they feel betrayed.
But at the end of the day, I think that some of the Turning Point staff really need to exercise some personal accountability and some of the friendships that they made and some of the people who they gave a platform to.
And I was criticized for criticizing Charlie Kirk in the weeks leading up to his assassination.
But I stand by what I said.
I never deleted my tweet because I agree.
I liked the idea of open free speech and debate, but this was never about free speech and debate.
These people never really wanted to debate Israeli policy.
They wanted to hijack Turning Point USA.
And nobody ever thought Charlie would be assassinated.
But then when he was assassinated, it gave them an opportunity to complete that hostile takeover, which is what they ultimately tried to do.
When, you know, we saw all these Jew haters and people that were enabling all of this, you know, derangement about Jewish people in Israel and Muslims.
When I say Muslims, like promoting Muslims, right?
Promoting Islam to be platformed at Turning Point events while Charlie was alive.
It's just further affirmation about how depraved Joe Kent is.
This is Turning Point responding today to the report that Joe Kent says he's going to testify on behalf in support of Tyler Robinson, who murdered Charlie Kirk.
Moments ago, a new report from journalist Michael Schellenberger dropped.
As you know, yesterday we covered the backstory, but what really happened with the screen grabs, the notorious screen grabs now.
And I revealed to this audience that I did in fact share that screen grab with Joe Kent.
And Joe suggested that I leak that publicly.
I declined.
He actually, I went back through our messages and he suggested I do so twice.
I declined.
Obviously, those were private messages.
I wanted to keep them private for Charlie's sake.
I thought it was honoring my friend.
Anyway, so this new report comes out from Schellenberger and it says, as you see on your screen, that Joe Kent says he's willing to testify at the trial of Tyler Robinson.
So this is obviously a huge bombshell and escalates everything to a much bigger level.
I have reached out to Michael Schellenberger and he has agreed to come on the show today.
He interviewed Joe Kent for this report.
So these are Joe Kent's own words.
Michael Schellenberger will be joining us at 1.30 Eastern.
So set your clocks and please, please, please tune in then.
It's going to be an important conversation.
And Blake, let's just take this out a step and explain why this is actually a really important thing.
As you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories that we do not indulge, that we do not discuss.
This is different.
Joe Kent was a government official at a very important post, and now he's saying he's willing to testify ostensibly on behalf of Tyler Robinson.
I mean, let's just recite it where he says, Kent, this is Schellenberger's reporting on Substek.
Kent said he knew he might be called as a witness before he made his statements that a quote, foreign nexus may have been involved in Kirk's assassination.
I was definitely warned of that over and over again, said Kent.
If I end up having to play that role, then I'll do it.
It's not something I'm seeking.
When pressed that his testimony could help the Robinson defense, Kent said, then honestly, so be it.
If it gets us to the truth, that's obviously the risk I'm taking.
Neither Robinson's attorneys nor the prosecuting attorneys responded to a request for comment.
And then looks, I'm not sure if there's more.
I might have to pay for Schellenberger's subscription.
Some people are so obsessed with these same conspiracies that they concoct for every other thing that ever happens.
And so they have to shove it into this one too, because they care more about their conspiracy theories than about the person who murdered my friend facing justice.
He's so fed up that he won't even call out his own former boss, Tucker Katarlson, who he used to write for.
He was the lead writer for at Fox News before he got fired or resigned, right?
Gave him the option to resign.
It's like getting fired.
Same shit.
So again, it's like, I'm so offended.
I'm so offended.
I cannot believe these people.
They're so consumed by their anti-Israel, but like conspiracy theory this conspiracy theory that.
Well, aren't you one of the biggest promoters of these conspiracy theories by proxy by sitting around and not actually calling it out?
I mean, Tucker's your friend, right?
Tucker is who you used to work for.
Tucker went on vacation for a week when you had to resign from Fox News at a protest.
Remember, you can look it up.
All this stuff is public.
You can see it yourself.
You're so outraged that people are promoting these conspiracy theories because Tyler Robinson killed my friend.
Well, then why do you say nothing when Tucker has Ian Carroll on and they say that Israel killed Charlie Kirk?
Why do you say nothing when they have Candace Owens on or they have Nick Fuentes on and they lie and they say that Tyler Robinson didn't kill Charlie Kirk?
I'm not saying that Nick Nick said that Tyler Robinson didn't kill him, but that's what Candace says, right?
And even then, Nick goes on Tucker Carlson's show and then Nick says that Erica Kirk is a whore and like says all these nasty things about her.
And Tucker Carlson then has Nick on a show.
So again, I say it again.
I ask the question again.
If he's so outraged, so outraged.
She's my friend.
My friend died.
My friend died.
You're lying about my friend.
Then why don't you actually call the people out by name?
Who's the biggest promoter of this?
Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson.
You're not going to call Tucker out because you used to work for him.
And maybe, just maybe, he's still friends with Tucker, right?
I don't know how you can be friends with somebody like that if you're truly their friend, right?
You wrote for Tucker, Tucker's your friend.
And then yet Tucker goes up on stage at Charlie Kirk's Memorial and says that the hummus people, the people who eat hummus, they killed Charlie and they killed Jesus.
I mean, this is a tough job for us today, to be honest, because this is really personal.
I have been open to everything.
I think, candidly, I don't get enough credit for even the fact that I shared these group chats in the first place.
We shared a lot of information about trans, about Charlie, how Charlie was more concerned about than any other community about the trans coming after him.
You want to know the truth?
That's actually the truth.
I heard over the course of the last two years of Charlie's life, probably about 50 references of how he knew the trans Tifa was going to come after him.
And he was worried about that.
That's the truth.
Never mentioned one time about the Jews.
Okay?
Never once.
And here's why it's so frustrating is because there is going to be even more evidence that is presented to the public in May at the evidentiary hearing.
Okay.
And it's a mountain of evidence, some of which has been made public, some of which has not been made public yet.
And the prosecution is going to lay out its case against Tyler Robinson.
And I'm told it's a whopper.
I'm told they've got this guy dead to rights.
And meanwhile, you have government officials that are now saying on the record to journalists they are willing to testify on behalf of the defense to get ostensibly to get Tyler Robinson off the hook for something that he did.
And so the level of betrayal that I currently feel is dramatic and extreme.
The level of just frustration, the idiocy that is on full display, we have to call it out because if this ends up screwing up the jury pool, if this ends up in some ways getting a hung jury, getting this taste, this case thrown out, or even just getting the death penalty off the case, off the potential list of consequences here.
I'm not going to be happy with that.
I'm telling you that as somebody who was open to all different options, I didn't care where the truth led.
This is where the truth led.
This is it.
And for any fair-minded person, this is crackpot conspiracy garbage brain rot stuff.
And now it's gotten really serious.
This isn't podcaster junk.
This isn't like social media conspiracy nonsense.
This is an actual government official who's now going to be called to testify on behalf of the defense.
And that is a bridge too far.
That is a line in the sand that we must hold because this could negatively impact the trial of the assassin of my friend, of Blake's friend.
So that's the breaking news.
I don't want to dwell on it for the whole show here because we're going to have Michael Schellenberger come on next in the next hour and he can tell us more about what he knows.
But if this is how it reads, this is an egregious, egregious moment that we're having to live through.
I've been in a bad mood having to listen to your friend Tucker Carlson talk shit every day.
Welcome to the club.
Tucker Carlson, who Joe Kent gave his exclusive interview to, right?
But Turning Point still won't call out Tucker by name.
Interesting, right?
Turning point endorsed JD Vance for president already ahead of 2028.
Haven't heard JD Vance condemn Tucker Carlson.
In fact, he's got a son working in his office in the White House, deputy press secretary.
So seems like we have a lot more bad days ahead of us, Blake.
I'm going to be in a bad mood, too.
I mean, it's just, it's very theatrical, right?
It's very theatrical, as if like, this is the first time they're realizing that Joe Kent and all these people that have been promoting Joe Kent believe in these deranged conspiracy theories.
Did he not watch the Tucker interview?
Wasn't Joe Kent's claims that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, something that Blake wanted to criticize when Joe Kent went on the show the other day.
They waited until this article by Shellenberger came out today.
Right, I had already been saying this.
I had already been saying before Shellenberger published his report, if you read my reporting, that Joe Kent was deliberately trying to assist the defense and that Candace was trying to assist the defense.
So why is it that they have to wait for an article to come out when it's already obvious to all of us and it's been obvious to us for months that they're trying to aid the defense, right?
So again, we can all be outraged all we want, but you have to be consistent.
If you're going to be outraged over Joe Kent and his claims that he's going to aid the defense he's going to help Charlie's assassin get off by making up a lie that Israel killed Charlie Kirk under oath in a courtroom then you have to also be just as outraged with Tucker Tarlson for giving him a platform.
And you have to be just as outraged with all the government officials who do not explicitly condemn these people, right?
You have to be outraged by Tulsi Gabbard for not condemning Joe Kent.
You have to be outraged by Jd Vance not condemning Tucker, Carlson.
You have to be outraged by all of them and you should be.
You should be because this is about moral clarity.
Moral clarity, you either have it or you don't.
I have it.
Tucker does not.
Okay, I have it.
Tulsy Gabbard does not.
I have it.
I don't know if Jd Vance has it.
I don't know.
I'm still waiting on him to condemn Tucker.
I thought that maybe Tucker, Sipping for Sharia the other day and saying that there's not a single thriving western city, I thought maybe that would be the line that he crossed.
That was a little too far.
That finally got Jd Vance to come out and slam him and condemn him.
But still no condemnation.
I don't know if we're ever going to get one.
I don't know if we're ever going to get one.
So with that, thank you so much for tuning into tonight's episode of Lumer Unleashed.
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